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Blitzkrieg Poroshenko

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In the last days of the Donbass received alarming information. According to already repeatedly confirmed information, the Ukrainian army is being built in an offensive order. The final act of the drama is expected from day to day. DNR and LC can expect the fate of the Serbian Krajina, only in a much larger scale and terrible version. In this case, at the next meeting between Putin and Poroshenko, all the trump cards will be in Kiev, and Moscow will remain with only sixes.

Blitzkrieg Poroshenko


Do they understand this in the Kremlin? Apparently, yes. Over the weekend, the newly famous "Voentorg" opened. But will it be enough? The militia is now in a difficult situation, because Zakharchenko during his "reign" was able to practically destroy the intelligence, supply and coordination between the commanders, who so hard to build Strelkov.

Naturally, the current adventure is not a personal initiative of the Ukrainian president. Such a development could be easily foreseen on the basis of the last meeting of the leaders of the EU, Ukraine and Russia. Merkel and Poroshenko went to Milan with the very obvious goal - to accept Putin's surrender on Novorossia and gas, in order to proceed to the question of the Crimea.

To their great surprise, Putin not only did not intend to capitulate, but also put forward counter conditions: Russia's recognition of Crimea and the land corridor to it. In addition, on the shoulders of the EU (and above all Germany) lay the payment of gas for Ukraine. From the point of view of the “civilized community,” such demands have become unheard of, simply fantastic arrogance. Hence, reliable information about the sharp mutual attacks of Putin and Merkel during the negotiations. And the statements of Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski (who actually voiced the general opinion of the West) that the sanctions from Russia will not be lifted until she returns Crimea to Ukraine, in general, close any space for negotiations. The same position was also confirmed by the EU ambassador to Moscow Vygaudas Usackas. Consequently, in Europe they considered the issue with Novorossia solved and openly move on to the next dish.

Therefore, there is nothing unusual in the fact that after the failure (from the point of view of Brussels) of the negotiations in Milan, Poroshenko received the command “face” and rushed to carry it out. The "chocolate king" has its reasons. On the nose elections, and if they are held to the fanfare of a successful offensive in the Donbas, Poroshenko can count on staggering success. If in usual time he could get additional 1-2% with all frauds, now he can safely count on 10-15% without any extra charges, on the “patriotic wave” alone. His political opponents (first of all, Oleg Lyashko) will have nothing to object to.

The main thing is to match the deadlines in time. From a political point of view, the optimal time to start the offensive is Thursday-Friday. In this case, all weekends the population will be fascinated by the victory reports from the front and vote as they should, before the first news about difficulties and losses. In essence, Poroshenko wins no matter how the offensive ends.

Now New Russia is a fragment of the former Donetsk and Lugansk regions. If the Ukrainian army manages to cut it into two or three parts, then Poroshenko will immediately require a new "world." His world is already quite satisfied with this, because the goal will be achieved.

Thus, having come face to face with the intransigent position of the West, Moscow has no other option than to create a full-fledged big Novorossia. But the way it will be created, will show the nearest future.
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  1. Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 23 October 2014 08: 55
    +15
    It looks like someone is falling for themselves.
    And they will clean everything.
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 23 October 2014 09: 11
      +47
      Voentorg has already earned. Vacationers again went to the Donbass. There will be no defeat for New Russia.
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 23 October 2014 10: 18
        +9
        Quote: Deniska999
        Voentorg has already earned. Vacationers again went to the Donbass. There will be no defeat for New Russia.

        There is such a thing ...
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      3. APES
        APES 23 October 2014 10: 58
        +2
        Quote: Deniska999
        will be.


        There will be a very HARRY RUSSIAN WINTER !!!
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      5. Kacar0005
        Kacar0005 23 October 2014 11: 07
        -81
        Quote: Deniska999
        Vacationers again went to the Donbass.

        Will be back soon
        1. Unclean
          Unclean 23 October 2014 12: 09
          +7
          Photo - pure crap !!! Such crap is so full on the Internet.
          1. Kacar0005
            Kacar0005 23 October 2014 12: 14
            -53
            This is for VIP. The others will be thrown into the mine and remember the business name, he went missing during the exercises.
            1. KOMA
              KOMA 23 October 2014 21: 28
              +2
              Your uncle has fallen off!
            2. Lukich
              Lukich 24 October 2014 07: 19
              +4
              this is how it is done
          2. Kacar0005
            Kacar0005 23 October 2014 12: 14
            -18
            This is for VIP. The others will be thrown into the mine and remember the business name, he went missing during the exercises.
            1. northern
              northern 23 October 2014 14: 50
              +9
              Another "head of death" in the division arrived
            2. revnagan
              revnagan 23 October 2014 16: 15
              +9
              Quote: Kacar0005
              This is for VIP. The others will be thrown into the mine and remember the business name, he went missing during the exercises.

              Hush, hush, you have to "fire" Tymchuk. Unofficially, everyone knows how to bury mowed dill. But ... It has been said for the whole of Ukraine, NO LOSS. Svidomye simply have to believe. And you so revealed all the cards of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Not good. ..
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            4. timur73
              timur73 24 October 2014 09: 46
              0
              You disgrace Belarus, who in West Khatyn and other 600 villages forgot to burn people with the Germans or forgot that your republic didn’t count every third after the war. But judging by everything, it’s miserable as you do, but people who forget history have no future . Everything can be forgiven except betrayal.
        2. northern
          northern 23 October 2014 12: 57
          +2
          and where are the previous 0004?
        3. navara399
          navara399 23 October 2014 14: 03
          +9
          Something rotten or shit.m.o.m suffered ... but no bears trolling.
        4. ispaniard
          ispaniard 23 October 2014 16: 15
          +9
          Kacar0005 - I greet you "Native Crimean woman, daughter of an officer and granddaughter of an air conditioner". How's the weather in Indionapolis? Coffee, then your staff-lutenet has already gone cold while you were filling the text?)))
          Without malice and drooling, I’ll tell you honestly with the picture you goof, painfully clumsy fake;) Here you have a more suitable picture (See the appendix).
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        6. asar
          asar 23 October 2014 17: 45
          +5
          Kaccar005!
          Even laziness to argue with you! Time to lose reluctance! Time will tell who will return and on what! And the photo - rubbish! Could and try!
        7. serg6231
          serg6231 23 October 2014 20: 06
          +2
          If you don’t get paid for your comments of this kind, start treatment soon!
        8. aleshka
          aleshka 24 October 2014 05: 53
          +1
          it may be so, but you can slip in the bathroom and break the base of the skull !!!
      6. Rus2012
        Rus2012 23 October 2014 14: 28
        +3
        Quote: Deniska999
        Vacationers again went to the Donbass. There will be no defeat for New Russia.

        "North wind" -2.0 went ...;)
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    3. Hammer
      Hammer 23 October 2014 10: 27
      +7
      Quote: Alcoholic
      It looks like someone is falling for themselves.
      And they will clean everything.


      More precisely, not for themselves, but for everyone ... And these all will then rake it. and this one coming down will smile maliciously from across the ocean ...
    4. Denis fj
      Denis fj 24 October 2014 01: 00
      -1
      And is the power of the Ukrainian army so great as to start a blitzkrieg? At the same time, the separatists say they intend to take both Slavyansk and Mariupol. Is it because for the smokescreen we were talking about some kind of Kiev blitzkrieg? It’s only too late to guess about this, the high leadership of Russia has already announced that it will recognize the elections to the Rada. Although the separatists will not recognize the elections and thereby push the situation even further into a dead end.
  2. Owl27
    Owl27 23 October 2014 08: 59
    +33
    From these expectations, my heart is already falling, New Russia cannot be surrendered, people will not forgive.
  3. zao74
    zao74 23 October 2014 09: 01
    +11
    Thus, having come face to face with the implacable position of the West, Moscow has no other option but to create a full-fledged large New Russia.
    Not the first month everyone talked about it, but things are still there ...
  4. ed65b
    ed65b 23 October 2014 09: 05
    +4
    But if on the contrary, the weekend will be cried out for hundreds of dead and missing, and if it doesn’t work out? Then the grandmother said in two when to start, maybe after the election.
    1. zen-do.ru
      zen-do.ru 23 October 2014 09: 16
      +8
      What are the cries? This is UkroSMI. And in general, in the early days they mention progress, it is not immediately known about losses (or not all at once). I think the author had this in mind.
    2. Alex
      Alex 23 October 2014 22: 08
      +3
      Quote: ed65b
      But if on the contrary, the weekend will be cried out for hundreds of dead and missing, and if it doesn’t work out? Then the grandmother said in two when to start, maybe after the election.

      After the election, there is definitely no need. Then it will not be a political action, but a purely military one, and here really, the grandmother said in two.
  5. RU-Officer
    RU-Officer 23 October 2014 09: 05
    +12
    And again - "Everything is lost! (... place your bets ...)" bully
    A tote of some kind ... fool
    In Novorossiya, adults and smart people are fighting, "eating the dog" on the ukropskoy meanness. Most likely, the continuation of the mess will be, unfortunately - cruel, furious, and to the relief - short-lived. I do not believe that people fighting for life can yield to the Nazis. hi
    1. Kibalchish
      23 October 2014 09: 10
      +31
      Dill can not be underestimated. There are quite combat-ready units there. And they just basically consist of Ukrainian Russians.
      In general, hatred is a very bad trait of ours. Opponent is better to overestimate than underestimate.
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 23 October 2014 10: 20
        +5
        Quote: Kibalchish
        There are quite combat-ready units there. And they just basically consist of Ukrainian Russian ...

        Even the language does not turn to say this ...
      2. duke
        duke 23 October 2014 11: 19
        +15
        The author writes - "Putin not only did not intend to capitulate, but also put forward counter conditions: the recognition of Crimea as Russian and a land corridor to it." If so, and most likely so, because giving Dill Crimea (unsinkable aircraft carrier) again is suicide, from all points of view, then the situation will get more complicated ... Waltzmann's Blitzkrieg will fail again, but then the ancient Ukrainians can go broke to completely ruin the situation and call NATU for help - to decide to the attack on Crimea (most likely in the spring), they say we want to take "their" back, they have no way out, the economy and the country are Ambets, they somehow need to draw us in, I understand the order from the West has been received - to draw Russia in one way or another, with a promise help - according to the variant with Saakashvili. Of course, the Crimean group will kick their backs, like a macaque - to red, the fleet will seize the ports (it’s in vain that such exercises were carried out in the Far East), but then the situation will be completely different and it will be necessary (there will be no other way out) to take control of the whole adjacent to Crimea the territory of Ukraine, at least up to the Dnieper and of course the entire coastal part, in order to exclude surprises from the NATO fleet ... This part will be called Novorossia - as before, under the tsar-father, though the big question is Ukrainianized Kiev, but I don't think that and the remaining Ukraine beyond the Dnieper will want to remain under Valtsman, which means that the local princelings will begin to split up (when everything collapses and will be), for example, into Little Russia, Chervona Rus (there are rumors that Volyn, for example, already wants to leave Ukraine and ask for an arm Fathers - because the devastation is terrible), etc. Then Lviv will become the center of Ukraine. But if the Banderlog decide on this option, then the events will be difficult, bloody and protracted.
        1. RU-Officer
          RU-Officer 23 October 2014 12: 02
          +3
          An interesting option. Why not? yes
          1. duke
            duke 23 October 2014 17: 48
            +2
            Many missed the information from 23.10.14 - namely -
            The Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, Alexander Zakharchenko, today announced the start of the militia attack on the positions of Ukrainian security officials. According to him, hostilities have been resumed due to the fact that Kiev does not comply with the "regime of silence" in eastern Ukraine, Interfax reports.

            “The" mode of silence "is observed only by us.
            At the same time, the Prime Minister of the DPR did not rule out the beginning of heavy hostilities in connection with the militia plans to regain control of a number of cities in the Donbass. According to Zakharchenko, including Kramatorsk, Mariupol and Slavyansk.

            “Kramatorsk, Mariupol and Slavyansk - they will be ours. We intend to take them back. So heavy fighting is still possible, ”he stressed.
            --------------------------
            I think that such statements are simply not made ... Such an attack can significantly change the balance of power, and not only in the Donbass, perhaps the militia will gain strength and events in other regions of New Russia are likely. We will see
            1. Rider
              Rider 23 October 2014 19: 55
              +2
              Quote: duke
              Many missed the information from 23.10.14 - namely ...

              if true, then this is de (biip) the highest standardism
              First, it will be clear to everyone that the ogressors are militias
              the second: to shift to prepared positions by relatively small forces is not the best way to commit suicide.
              everyone says that with the introduction of the "truce", the losses of the VSN increased, since the DBs are taking place with relatively small forces and without serious support from art and armored vehicles
              and thirdly: the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out a regrouping and concentrated troops for offensive operations
              to launch a "preemptive" offensive, this is to present a huge gift to the fascists
              having squandered his strength in trying to punch his forehead against a wall, the militia runs the risk of encountering a counter-offensive of strike groups in the Armed Forces which will be harder and maybe just nothing
              who does Mr. Zakharchenko work for?

              I hope that this is disa
              1. Alex
                Alex 23 October 2014 22: 15
                +3
                Quote: Rider
                First, it will be clear to everyone that the ogressors are militias

                But do not give a damn about these subtleties? When it comes to banal survival, not to politenesses. Now, if all this fascist scum is rolled out, then we’ll talk about who the aggressor was. In Kiev. Or Uzhgorod. No - then do not care who the aggressor was, all the dogs will be hanged on them. What they are doing now successfully, so there is no special image damage.

                As for the rest, I fully share your concerns.
        2. Not served
          Not served 23 October 2014 12: 22
          +4
          To attack the Crimea, you must have a powerful strike force, which should slip through the narrow neck of the dig. The combat-ready units are only with them only in the Donbas, which means that they must be taken from there, which is very fraught.
          As a result, they will bury the army at the crossroads and will be left without much of the Ruin.
          They won’t do it, although who knows ...
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          2. vorobey
            vorobey 23 October 2014 12: 39
            +4
            Quote: Not served
            To attack the Crimea, you must have a powerful strike force, which should slip through the narrow neck of the dig. The combat-ready units are only with them only in the Donbas, which means that they must be taken from there, which is very fraught.
            As a result, they will bury the army at the crossroads and will be left without much of the Ruin.
            They won’t do it, although who knows ...


            quite right ... given the fact that the coastal defense in the Crimea is being strengthened by it ... not long ago, I just fell under a column of balls ... a big fat goosebump ran across my back as they passed.
          3. duke
            duke 23 October 2014 13: 04
            +4
            Dear "Did not serve" - ​​their task is not to break through Perekop and take Crimea, but to involve Russia and ask for NATO assistance, since Europa and the States believe that Crimea is "annexed" and de jure they say is the territory of Dill, do you understand? Those. Dill is legitimately trying to get "his" back. Another question is whether NATO wants to go into a direct confrontation, but they can promise the Banderlog anything anything, just to show that this time Russia really entered the war with Ukraine (after all, after their attack, they will have to make a land corridor and liberate the Primorye) and they say it is necessary to stop the Russian "aggressor" and urgently send troops - these are geopolitical toys, they are not always rational and, at first glance, from the outside, they are not always logical. But you can imagine the situation like this, they say, Russia grabbed the Crimea, got into the taste and from there continues the "annexation", no longer hiding behind any Novorossia.
          4. ivanovich
            ivanovich 23 October 2014 13: 16
            +4
            And in the situation with Crimea one should not think in purely military terms. Poroshenko is a politician and he understands that the peninsula cannot be returned by force, but to create an armed provocation on the border with it, so that the West would trumpet the whole world that Russia is an aggressor, it is within his power to organize. And there is no need to go far behind the script of this show, it is worth remembering how Saakashvili concocted it in 08g. The fennel from Perekop is fired upon by the same city of Armyansk with Hailstones and Hurricanes, and they will say that Russia did it herself to use this as an excuse to attack Nezhalezhnaya, of course we will answer according to the Armed Forces and Poroshenko will immediately speak at all EU and NATO summits, which Ukraine was subjected to external aggression.
        3. SHILO
          SHILO 23 October 2014 16: 40
          +5
          Quote: duke
          and call for help NATU


          Grandfather Brzezinski - Captain Evidence
          The other day, the old man Brzezinski has pleased. The former US presidential security adviser and well-known monster of the US geopolitical strategy said on the air of "Details of the Week" that "the West makes it pretty clear that it cares. But do not expect the West to fight for you. you must understand. "

          So here it is ...

          Ukrainian morons are already saying in plain text: nobody here needs a fuck here in our West. But Maidan downites do not want to believe in it. Everyone hopes that instead of Russia, the West will now give them the long-awaited freebie and protect them from troubles and tribulations. Even fight for them ...

          And the West simply "cares". And nothing more. And that's very nice. :)
        4. UFO
          UFO 23 October 2014 18: 54
          +1
          Quote: duke
          but then the ancient Ukrainians can go all-in,

          There is an easier option - to shoot a dozen p.dors in Kuev from the junta’s leadership and history will roll along an alternative path. hi
      3. timer
        timer 23 October 2014 20: 22
        0
        It is harmful both. It is necessary to soberly assess the situation on the basis of reliable data!
    2. timer
      timer 23 October 2014 20: 21
      0
      I also want to believe that the militia will win. But something tells me — didn’t Putin agree with the monkey obama on our backs at the expense of Novorossia?! Putin’s peace initiative prompted me to do this exactly when the militia was on a wave of success at the front were ready to take Mariupol and develop their success. The near future will show.
  6. Flinky
    Flinky 23 October 2014 09: 05
    +5
    Another shit for themselves.
    Cut it on your nose: they didn’t surrender in the summer - now they won’t surrender all the more.
  7. chief.matros
    chief.matros 23 October 2014 09: 06
    +5
    Russia had to immediately send troops, and the States would say as it was in Georgia with Ossetia: yes, let the Russians understand there themselves.
    1. ando_bor
      ando_bor 23 October 2014 18: 58
      0
      In Georgia, they agreed - South Ossetia and Abkhazia are yours, the regime and the rest of Georgia should not be touched, almost half of Georgia was occupied there, up to Tbilisi it takes 1-2 hours to go by tanks, and no one is in the way.
      In Ukraine, the Americans relied on an analogy, they don’t need all of Ukraine to solve their problems, in addition to the Crimea, Donbass gave Kerry Lavrov when they bargained for days after the Crimea, in exchange for the rest of Ukraine, because the armed pravoseks didn’t clean it, there were not armed, - civilian resistance, but while the bargaining was on, Strelkov and the Voyentorg tightened up, in Kiev they did not know that Putin would not bite at the Donbass. And in the remaining regions of Novorossia pravoseki civil resistance without problems drove off.
      Putin needs all of Ukraine. All - without America. This is the difference, does anyone really think that the language is pitiful in Kiev and whether autonomy, even broad autonomy, is confused by the Americans there, it’s possible to drive them out, and there I’ll be able to draw Svidomo - United Ukraine, though federative.
  8. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 23 October 2014 09: 07
    +4
    Tipun to the language, to such an article! A funeral service!
  9. Igor Pushkino
    Igor Pushkino 23 October 2014 09: 08
    +3
    It all sounds like a bluff no more ...
    GDP well done: pulled everyone angry .
  10. Renat
    Renat 23 October 2014 09: 08
    +4
    We hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
  11. Alexey Lesogor
    Alexey Lesogor 23 October 2014 09: 11
    +6
    And now we need one victory!
    One for all, we will not stand for the price.
  12. Major_Vortex
    Major_Vortex 23 October 2014 09: 13
    +9
    The militia needs a couple of "combines" for the disposal of wild-growing dill (and Paty's brains will fall into place very quickly):
  13. Kibalchish
    23 October 2014 09: 14
    +17
    Yesterday there was information: "Voentorg" was working at full capacity, vacationers reappeared. So in Moscow the threat is assessed as real. And there is no alarmism here. Before June 22, 1941, it was also customary for us to stigmatize alarmists, who undermine friendship with "allied" Germany with ridiculous rumors about an invasion. How did it end, remind?
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 October 2014 09: 18
    +4
    Putin not only did not intend to capitulate, but also put forward counter conditions: recognition of Crimea as Russian and a land corridor to it. In addition, the EU (and especially Germany) had to pay for gas for Ukraine. From the point of view of the “civilized community,” such demands have become unheard of, just fantastic arrogance.

    Of course, the geyropa in the person of Germany will not forgive the GDP, which has its own opinion and is rooting for Russia. But this is how those who ordered Poroshenko to "face" will feel. In the event of an offensive by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Russia will definitely not leave Novorossiya alone.
    By the way, in Pipe, Poroshenko confectionery factory started working again. Why on earth?
    1. Lukerya Weaver
      Lukerya Weaver 23 October 2014 09: 34
      +2
      As I read recently, this is trolling for Poroshenko before the election and in general. He promised to sell his business, all. Only in Russia no one buys it, it is too expensive and big business. I don’t know how they are going to use it, I read only all sorts of hints about it.
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 23 October 2014 10: 24
        +1
        Quote: Weaker Lukerya
        As I read recently, this is trolling for Poroshenko before the election and in general. He promised to sell his business, all. Only in Russia no one buys it, it is too expensive and big business. I don’t know how they are going to use it, I read only all sorts of hints about it.

        And then how do you command me to understand this? Sponsoring?
        The Roshen confectionery factory in Lipetsk, part of the confectionery corporation owned by the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, completely restored production from October 20.

        According to TASS, with reference to Oleg Kazakov, Deputy General Director of Roshen Russia, some of the lines were launched on October 7, and another part resumed operations on 13 and 20 on October.

        Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/economy/1858202.html#ixzz3Gwkijl00
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 23 October 2014 11: 36
      +6
      Quote: rotmistr60
      By the way, in Pipe, Poroshenko confectionery factory started working again. Why on earth?

      Because in Minsk they signed not only unnecessary pieces of paper, but also secret protocols between Putin and Poroshenko. The Americans do not know the essence of these agreements. Kerry’s statements about the existence of some additional agreements between the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko and Vladimir Putin regarding the armistice in the east of Ukraine are not accidental.
      "There is an agreement that complements the Minsk agreements, reached in further negotiations between President Poroshenko and President Putin, in which they agreed on certain terms regarding certain things.

      Kerry spoke about the arrangements Poroshenko with Putin, about which in Ukraine do not know
      The essence of these agreements for Moscow is the task of Poroshenko to destroy the junta in parts. Problems of Ukraine should be solved INSIDE Ukraine, and it does not matter with the help of the BCH or not. The country is on the verge of economic and social collapse and only mass military-patriotic hysteria keeps the junta in power. Therefore, a brutal forceful decision on the part of Russia will only strengthen these sentiments ... We must act cautiously. Breaking the ukroelites from the inside.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 23 October 2014 11: 37
        +6
        Time works for us. Already students, the main driving force of the Euromaidan are asked to eat
        During the meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine, the government building was picketed by about 100 students from Kiev universities. Armed with spoons and empty pots, students tried to draw the attention of officials with their noise. According to the protesters, in this way they tried to reach out to Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk with a demand to increase student scholarships, which today are below the subsistence level.

        Well, they have already achieved their. Now it’s time to drop school and young men with a shovel and a kylo in their hands and the girls are undressing, changing their clothes. And a march to Europe for freedom / work (because not only studies, but also work in Ukraine will not be soon). Europe only needs to wash the floors and serve the panam. An example of the same Latvia with Moldova before our eyes. This Russia needs smart and educated Ukrainians, engineers, scientists. Workers, doctors, teachers, not geyropes. Their favorite Euro Maidan power openly says that
        "There will be no more spending of billions of national funds, taxpayers' funds on scientific programs that no one needs, which served only as an element of theft."
        -Poroshenko.
        Ukraine will reduce funding for science in favor of arms production
        Ukraine does not need not only science, but also secondary education.
        "Our weapon is knowledge, patriotism and the Ukrainian spirit in every kindergarten, in every school and in every university."
        "Questions of patriotic education of Ukrainians should be raised to the same level as knowledge of foreign languages, mathematics, physics, and even higher."
        -A. Yatsenyuk
        Patriotic education is more important than mathematics and physics, - Yatsenyuk
        So gentlemen, Euro-integrated students and others, why do you need education? Your destiny to ride on the Maidan or serve cannon fodder in the endless zones of the ATO.
      2. Buchki
        Buchki 23 October 2014 16: 09
        0
        Yes, and I thought that they bought Petrusha by the opening of the Lipetsk production :))
        1. UFO
          UFO 23 October 2014 19: 01
          0
          Quote: Buchki
          Yes, and I thought that they bought Petrusha by the opening of the Lipetsk production :))

          laughing and the plot on Rublevo-Uspensky, next to Yanukovych, was allocated, a fact! wink
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  15. parusnik
    parusnik 23 October 2014 09: 19
    +15
    The author forgot one caveat .. EU .. refused to lift the sanctions ... Russia’s hands were untied .. she did everything she could .. And there will be help and there will be volunteers .. Again the law on PMCs is submitted for consideration .. Russia is not needed, nor The LPR is neither the DNR nor Novorossia ... We need all of Ukraine .. Or a collapsed Ukraine at least .. And to say everything is lost, everything is ruined .. everything is leaked .. there is no reason ... But the LPR and the DPR will stand ... and there still elections ahead in Ukraine ...
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 23 October 2014 19: 22
      +5
      VVP will have its hands free if it starts again. In the meantime, the "agreements" in which Russia took part are working.
      You are absolutely right. The Russian Federation did everything it could both for the world and for the Ukrainian economy (it’s not clear when the payment would be paid for half a year to pump gas for it, stopped the militia when Kiev became "very bad"). Therefore, GDP, for example squeezing out the oligarch for Bashneft or something else, but will help Donbass. This is a matter of principle. "If you don't understand in a good way, it will be in a bad way." And the land corridor to the Crimea and Kharkov with Dnepropetrovsk ... Although it can do so economically that they will come themselves. Money is not ma, and the EU will not be given in full. Another ten million tons of coal are needed, fuel for nuclear power plants and fuel oil. Since there is no money, then who can give and deliver all this? Only Russia.
      GDP squeezes out any income to Ukraine - even before agricultural production. products came.
  16. sgr291158
    sgr291158 23 October 2014 09: 27
    +4
    So soon dill will go to its last and decisive. I wonder how it all ends. As I understand it, the militia is also not idle and is preparing to receive guests.
    1. dyremar 66
      dyremar 66 23 October 2014 12: 15
      -4
      Yes affair for couch troops, when the Ukrainians fart and go on the attack ...
  17. Lukerya Weaver
    Lukerya Weaver 23 October 2014 09: 30
    +5
    The truth "if you want peace, prepare for war" does not rust from time to time, but shines brighter and brighter. And we in Russia should not forget about this, and that is, the screamers - why are we spending so much on the armed forces? And in Novorossiya it should be a way of life, at least in the near future. With his tough demands in Milan, Putin surely foresaw the reaction they would generate. By the way, the Duma will already discuss the law on Russian PMCs. In my opinion, PMCs are a very useful thing in every sense.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 23 October 2014 11: 58
      +2
      legal "gop-stop-brigade" from the 90s.
  18. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 23 October 2014 09: 32
    +1
    But what fundamentally changed then? The Ukroarmia, as it was a Ukrainian army with a mess, remained the same. The new Minister of Defense, although he did not repel nuclear attacks, he knows where the South-North is ... No, of course, even from such a Mr. as the Ukrainian army you can in the presence of sensible instructors, fashion something digestible, but this takes time and certainly not a couple of months.
  19. shinobi
    shinobi 23 October 2014 09: 33
    +1
    Thursday is already, tomorrow is Friday. And why? And nothing. And most likely it will be. ATO dill began under the Turchinov’s government under the general choir of the West and in the wake of sanctions. The sanctions did not bring the expected result, the general choir broke up into separate chants, promised there is no help and will not be. Spring, summer, autumn went under the cries of Putinslill to Russia. And the situation is the opposite. In general, let's see. The article does not count
  20. Petrik66
    Petrik66 23 October 2014 09: 56
    0
    Well, did Thursday come? so what?
    1. jurassic61
      jurassic61 23 October 2014 10: 09
      +1
      Yes, Petya was taught bitter experience, in two days the army can lose the best option for him Saturday 13:00!
  21. African
    African 23 October 2014 10: 05
    +3
    Merkel and Poroshenko went to Milan with the very obvious goal of accepting Putin’s surrender over Novorossia and gas in order to move on to the issue of Crimea.
    - I do not agree on this issue. Nobody went to Milan to surrender from Putin. Europe issued recommendations in case gas supplies are cut off. She was only interested in this question in Milan. In case of gas problems - 4 or 5 European states will freeze, and this will lead to irreversible consequences. As for the Crimea, this issue is not even discussed.
    Yes, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are lining up. The tension is growing, but: - I think that nothing will happen. In nature, there is this: - Any system tends to a state of rest. So it is here. An understandable rest system was formed for the parties. Any actions of one of the parties will change it, and a very big question is where and on what will it stop? And to a greater extent this concerns Poroshenko. He now has at least something, at least something to manage. But it will touch the system, and the borders of New Russia will change for the better. What then? But, warned, means armed. I am sure this is understood in the DPR and LPR.
  22. Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 23 October 2014 10: 18
    +3
    my opinion: no later than Saturday the SBU will begin a very large-scale operation for the division of New Russia, and if they do not start, then they are guaranteed to remain with their noses and lose the whole company. the delay in solving the problem in the southeast is not in the interests of the junta and Parashenko personally, for the reason that with the onset of cold weather, sitting in a field in the trenches in Ukraine is very unpleasant! and in the cities of the National Guard, they have already begun to slowly kill ... hi
  23. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    +2
    And how exactly does the Voentorg work? Isn't it too late?
    It is necessary to increase the volume of deliveries, and then the usual small is not enough. Many go to the militia, and they are wrapped, they say, there are not enough ordinary machine guns for everyone.
  24. Predator
    Predator 23 October 2014 11: 06
    +3
    Quote: Kibalchish
    Yesterday there was information: "Voentorg" was working at full capacity, vacationers reappeared. So in Moscow the threat is assessed as real. And there is no alarmism here. Before June 22, 1941, it was also customary for us to stigmatize alarmists, who undermine friendship with "allied" Germany with ridiculous rumors about an invasion. How did it end, remind?

    It is advisable to remind. Do not confuse different times and approaches to the situation. For the world of the USSR, he said one thing, but did something else. If there were no traitors on the ground, not special gouging, then the Wehrmacht would have washed in June 1941.
    In this situation, how do you expect a sudden attack, if everyone knows everyone?! Kiev has not so many options, so they are waiting, but if they are waiting, they will not meet with flowers and pioneers in ties. And this is all for show, like we warned. Previously, it was the last shell, the last cartridge ..... but they gave it well, I think that the ukrovoyaki themselves are not eager to be corpses for the image of posrashi.
  25. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 23 October 2014 11: 16
    +2
    On the eve of the difficult situation, New Russia turned out to be. We all foresaw this and knew that the fascist dill would not just leave the freedom-loving people of Novorossia alone ... May God give strength and military luck to the militia soldiers. A mess of people will fall on Potroshenko and the geyropa. If only the militia could withstand a fire attack, and then everything will depend on the truth and truth for which the new Russians and fascists are fighting. Even if Potroshenko does not give a command for the war, the US masters will give it to the ukrofascists.
  26. Unclean
    Unclean 23 October 2014 11: 25
    +1
    The most serious step towards resolving the situation would be the awakening of Europe, which, after the imposed sanctions, is drowning in problems. What is needed is actually a free Maidan and the new non-American government of Ukraine.

    But if Europe supports Poroshenko and the company, then Ukraine will live to an absolute collapse with a massive division of the discontented population, and Europe will wait for a conflict into which it has allowed itself to be drawn.

    http://vegchel.ru/news/smi_chekhija_tretja_mirovaja_vojna_uzhe_nachalas/2014-10-
    19 – 211

    ..... I recommend reading the full article.
  27. 31rus
    31rus 23 October 2014 11: 40
    0
    The article jerked everything, Putin didn’t decide in Milan, it’s Putin, about the offensive, I don’t think that they are suicides in Kiev, look, they are strengthening, at the borders, maybe there’s an offensive, but the goal is not Donbass, but to drag the militia into pre-prepared ambushes and boilers, the strategy has changed, either there is no power, or wiser, APU understand it is already impossible to take Donetsk, and to grab a piece of the bridgehead for the offensive in the spring yes
  28. Russian_Bear
    Russian_Bear 23 October 2014 11: 59
    0
    Comrades, this is a strange situation. Shaking Novorossia we will lose the war, but in our history there were no such cases! And we can’t let the local population down. Not for this militia fought in July and August.
    At the same time, the question arises, what was the Minsk meeting aimed at? At that time, the militia went into the phase of an active offensive on all fronts, and then bam, and a truce.
    It all looks strange
  29. padded jacket
    padded jacket 23 October 2014 13: 09
    0
    And the soldiers are rebelling smile
    If there’s nothing normal, we’ll go home smile
  30. padded jacket
    padded jacket 23 October 2014 13: 16
    0
    As they say to themselves "meat for slaughter":
  31. padded jacket
    padded jacket 23 October 2014 13: 25
    0
    Village of Novosvetlovka, standing on the Road of Life to the border crossing Izvarino:
  32. padded jacket
    padded jacket 23 October 2014 13: 28
    0
    Ilovaisk militia DNR with the call sign Bandit sends greetings to Poroshenko:
  33. padded jacket
    padded jacket 23 October 2014 13: 29
    0
    Brain, commander of the ghost brigade: The militia needs to reach the borders of the region. :
  34. padded jacket
    padded jacket 23 October 2014 13: 38
    0
    Motorola Zhukov’s deputy political officer: Donetsk airport is a strategic place, dill will not leave him:
  35. Zolotse
    Zolotse 23 October 2014 14: 18
    +2
    The bickering upstairs in New Russia should stop, if Strelkova needs to be returned for this, then it must be returned.
  36. Lyalyamka
    Lyalyamka 23 October 2014 14: 51
    0
    Quote: Ascetic
    Quote: rotmistr60
    By the way, in Pipe, Poroshenko confectionery factory started working again. Why on earth?
    Because in Minsk they signed not only unnecessary pieces of paper, but also secret protocols between Putin and Poroshenko. The Americans do not know the essence of these agreements. Kerry’s statements about the existence of some additional agreements between the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko and Vladimir Putin regarding the armistice in the east of Ukraine are not accidental.
    "There is an agreement that complements the Minsk agreements, reached in further negotiations between President Poroshenko and President Putin, in which they agreed on certain terms regarding certain things.
    Kerry spoke about the arrangements Poroshenko with Putin, about which in Ukraine do not know
    The essence of these agreements for Moscow is the task of Poroshenko to destroy the junta in parts. Problems of Ukraine should be solved INSIDE Ukraine, and it does not matter with the help of the BCH or not. The country is on the verge of economic and social collapse and only mass military-patriotic hysteria keeps the junta in power. Therefore, a brutal forceful decision on the part of Russia will only strengthen these sentiments ... We must act cautiously. Breaking the ukroelites from the inside.


    Maybe another refugee will appear in Rostov-on-Don soon? We will collect Ukrainian presidents.
  37. padded jacket
    padded jacket 23 October 2014 15: 13
    0
    Killed smile CONCRETE:
  38. IAlex
    IAlex 23 October 2014 15: 53
    +2
    In general, if in the last confrontation the chances were 50/50 because the military service worked all the time, there were shooters and a large territory for maneuvers and retreats, as well as an army of Ukrainians without supplies. Now the chances of my assessment are 25 by 75 in favor of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the GDP has succumbed to their persuasion, removed Strelkova, stopped the military trade, gave away a large territory. Now, 2-3 days before the full-scale offensive, Voentorg has earned, Strelkov is gone, there is no supply, and it only takes 5-7 days to restore the logistics ... True, this war is somehow strange, for example, everyone knows that at any moment there will be an offensive and continuation of the battle, and the fact that they do not shoot captured Nazis, incl. maybe there will be some more amazing alignment on the offensive ...
  39. Const
    Const 23 October 2014 16: 06
    +1
    I don’t understand what is there to think? Everything has already been invented and tested before us.
    Few things were not justifiably accused of us. It's time to show the result in kind. Go through the fire wall in Europe, using the principle of scorched earth, to drown the British Isles, destroy all ports on the coast of North America. Ships of sulfuric America announce a free prize.
  40. padded jacket
    padded jacket 23 October 2014 16: 47
    0
    Zakharchenko: hostilities will continue in the coming days:
  41. Gelos
    Gelos 23 October 2014 17: 07
    +1
    If the second series is the offensive of Crimea, then Russia is no longer the aggressor, but the injured party. And then, according to the laws of the Russian genre, the aggressor will be wetted not only in the Crimea, but also in its den. And most importantly - quickly and without any political dust and negotiations.
  42. Eugentr
    Eugentr 23 October 2014 18: 21
    +1
    It looks like the war will continue. Everything will end only as a result of "forcing Ukraine to peace"
  43. den3080
    den3080 23 October 2014 18: 42
    +1
    I am personally annoyed by the stubborn shamanistic command (almost a year already) about Ukraine on the verge of collapse and collapse. Maybe stop it, gentlemen? There will be no collapse or collapse. The United States and Western Europe simply will not let this happen. Look better at Russia, at the dollar, at the price of oil. Russia itself would not fall apart ... by chance
    And of course it was necessary to finish off the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in August-September, because the winners are not judged, they are agreed with them. But history, unfortunately, does not operate with the subjunctive mood.
    May God save the Southeast from Bandera.
    1. zen-do.ru
      zen-do.ru 23 October 2014 23: 47
      0
      I wouldn’t be so sure that
      neither collapse nor collapse. USA and Western Europe simply will not give

      NATO crushed Iraq, etc. There is no collapse?
      The question is what they planned for Ukraine.
      Perhaps they prefer the chronic "hot spot" in the underbelly of Russia.
      And with Russia everything is in order, do not worry.

      PS. As for the collapse and collapse for Ukraine:
      Industry requires at least restructuring to reorient to the West. In Russia, similar events took place under Yeltsin. It is easier for landlords to plunder factories, and to lease out space for trade warehouses than to rebuild.
      Therefore, it is logical to assume that at least in the next few years, the economy of Ukraine will indeed face collapse, and the inhabitants - poverty.
      Or do you have an extra hundred billion in Spain for the reconstruction of Ukraine?
      1. den3080
        den3080 24 October 2014 01: 21
        0
        "We have in Spain" is temporary for me wink
        Maybe I didn’t exactly put it about the collapse and collapse of Ukraine. It will be hungry, cold and destitute, but Somalia, Libya, or Iraq will not happen. Because Ukraine is not a goal, but an instrument of struggle with Russia. And the tool should be kept in working condition. But the hatred of Russia and the hope of being in a well-fed Europe is precisely the cement that can be used to maintain this tool in relative order for a very long time. After all, the same Russians live in Ukraine, strong Slavs, they can endure much and pour blood much so that others could not even dream of it.

        Iraq, Libya are gouged, oil is taken at a cheap price, weapons are tested on the natives, the interaction of military units, military branches are worked out, logistics. And at least everything will be torn there (except for oil pumping units and oil refineries) - on the drum of both NATO and the West as a whole. ISIS oil is also on hand, Mujahideen are selling $ 25 per barrel ... To whom? What do you think? This is Klondike!
        So in the Middle East, star-strikers have a complete victory, despite the entire humanitarian trail, publicly cutting off the heads of several unfortunate ones. Literally everything is at hand.
        Ukraine is different. Feel the difference, what's called.
  44. Vadim237
    Vadim237 23 October 2014 22: 34
    +1
    Blitzkrieg named after Neboshkenko-tested I guarantee one hundred percent.
  45. CB activist
    CB activist 24 October 2014 00: 41
    +2
    Putin's predictive capabilities are two orders of magnitude higher than Poroshenko's. Putin is more complicated than Poroshenko and is able to calculate this stupid bourgeois, while Poroshenko is hardly able to "count" Putin. I think that Putin competes on equal terms with Poroshenko's masters, and even then say - these masters have noticeably become simpler lately, they prefer rough pressure to any subtleties.

    When a truce was started, it was not difficult to understand how Bandera's people were using this pause. They simply have no other choice - to collect everything that remains and ... break the truce, and do it before winter, because in winter all possibilities will disappear. When the invited MPs of the Verkhovna Rada (two or three beautiful Ukrainian women) spoke in Russia, they only nodded condescendingly to their naive women's speeches about "the first steps to lasting peace", women are forgiven for political naivety, it even suits them. But Putin lives in reality, not in illusions, he proves this by deeds, it is difficult to imagine that he was not prepared for Kiev's obvious intentions for revenge before winter. I hope that a "warm" welcome is ready for Bandera in the Donbass. For Poroshenko, everything is at stake. If he manages to cut the DNR / LNR into two or three parts ... And if not, what will happen to him personally?

    About Strelkov The author of the article, even if he doesn't tell me a fairy tale, Strelkov surrendered the territories, which now come back, and was close to curtailing resistance, and Zakharchenko corrected the situation. The paradox: Strelkov "adjusted it with such difficulty," but surrendered the territory, and Zakharchenko "ruined everything," but he kept the territory and even increased it a little, and exhausted the ukroarmiya so that it needed a truce.

    In Milan, Putin put forward two options to Frau Merkel:

    1. Continue to support Bandera Ukraine, obeying US requirements. But then she will have to pay Ukrainian debts. For Merkel, this means the anger of the German taxpayer. The expectations of Europeans that Russia will artificially extend the life of this bankrupt Putin scattered. This can explain the exchange of sharp remarks by Putin and Merkel.

    2. Disobey the United States, start guided by their own interests. Germany, together with the Russian Federation, to deal with Bandera Ukraine without taking into account the views of the United States. This opportunity for Germany is not lost and now, we need the political will that Putin has, and which he expects from Merkel, as the head of the leading European state.
  46. SveTok
    SveTok 24 October 2014 05: 40
    0
    G banderlogs and juntams you will not succeed, do not even try, it will be worse for you.
  47. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 24 October 2014 08: 16
    0
    If Ukraine starts a war then only one thing - Russia does not need to stop on the Dnieper. There is the same border of the USSR for 1991.
  48. timur73
    timur73 24 October 2014 09: 31
    0
    "Putin put forward counter conditions: the recognition of Crimea by Russia and the land corridor to it ..."
    I don’t remember anything like that in Milan. And these “all the scammers” got it.
  49. Tigerrr
    Tigerrr 24 October 2014 09: 48
    0
    Already Friday, where is yesterday's offensive?
    Or tanks froze and do not want to fight?
  50. Prager
    Prager 30 October 2014 14: 52
    0
    soon a new massacre will begin, even more bloody and brutal. Potroshenko and Co. will not stop before any number of victims.