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A. Shary: Ukrainian victory in Milan

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A. Shary: Ukrainian victory in MilanPresident of Ukraine emerged victorious from the negotiation process. This or similar theses sounded with a harmonious, flattering music from the lips of Ukrainian politicians after the end of the negotiations in Milan.

It is worth figuring out - is it a victory, and is there anything in the reached agreements that remotely resembles a victory.

So, it is no secret that the main task of the Ukrainian side was to make the gas problem a problem for the Kremlin and the EU, having acquired the Western countries as associates.

Putin, in his turn, managed to present the problem as intra-Ukrainian, skillfully playing on the mediocre and populist statements and acts of the Premier, and also, more importantly, he turned the "gas issue" into a Ukrainian-European problem.

The main problem Poroshenko before the talks was not the Kremlin, but its own Prime Minister. The unconstructive, frankly “pre-election” position of Yatsenyuk and the Minister Prodan played into the hands of Putin, because as a result, a kind of “alliance” emerged in Brussels and Moscow, which began long before the talks themselves.

At the same time, Poroshenko’s domestic political position was weakened by the statement of US Secretary of State Kerry about certain agreements between Kiev and Moscow, which are not known in Ukraine:

"There is an agreement that complements the Minsk agreements reached at further negotiations between President Poroshenko and President Putin, in which they agreed on certain terms regarding certain things."

The final touch to the prerequisite of the "victoriousness" of the negotiations was the signing by the President of the law on the "special areas" of Donbass.

Now, actually, about the "victory". From Poroshenko’s interview with the central TV channels of Ukraine, it becomes clear that some kind of compromise was reached, but “adopted the Ukrainian position”:

“The offer was the following: $ 325 in summer, $ 385 - in winter. The position of the Russians - no, $ 385 - a whole year. We reached an agreement, having de facto taken the Ukrainian position, let us now speak only about the winter period. And until March 31 fix the price of $ 385. The Russians agreed to this. This does not mean that Ukraine has taken the position of price, and we have already closed these questions. Not. These issues, the protocol, will be agreed when all the issues of Ukraine are completed without exception. But on the basis of yesterday’s consultations, I can say that Ukraine will be with gas. Ukraine will be with heat. ”

Ukraine may accept the price position, but it may not. Ukrainian issues can be fulfilled or not fulfilled. But the words of EU Energy Commissioner Gunther Oettinger speak for themselves:

“In recent months, we believe a fair negotiation price has been reached - $ 385 per 1 thousand cubic meters”

This is the verdict, regardless of any decisions there are any additional "issues". Another downfall of illusions is South Stream. Oettinger unexpectedly very gently formulated the priority of the project for the EU:

South Stream is a new gas pipeline, bigger than others. But it will not be some kind of new gas. South Stream will still deliver gas from Gazprom. Instead of Ukraine, it will pass through the Black Sea in order to reach the European Union. This is not bad, but it will not be a miracle. ”

Miraculously will not, the pipeline, as the pipeline. Nothing special. There is no priority, but there is no need to TRY. In the light of a very tough phrase of the European Commissioner for the price for Ukraine, this statement sounds extremely unequivocal.

Putin also transferred all the risks to Kiev:

“Russia has always been a reliable supplier, we have enough resources to meet both our own needs and the growing needs of our customers in Europe or in Asia. But there are big transit risks, and if we see that our Ukrainian partners, like in, say, the 2008 year, will unauthorized take our gas out of the export pipeline system, we, as well as in the 2008 year, will consistently stolen cut feed. "

Notice that neither the price nor the volume of GDP was expressed, which means that the positions on these issues are perfectly coordinated with Brussels.

I repeat - an invaluable role in strengthening the "mutual understanding" of Europe and Russia is played by Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk. Still playing the role of the operetta blackmailer, he, it turns out, does not guarantee gas supply to the EU:

“Ukraine declares that we are a country that guarantees uninterrupted transit of natural gas, but in order to guarantee this uninterrupted transit of natural gas to our European partners, we need to sign an agreement with European companies, and we are ready for this”

He also talks about the Stockholm court:

“In order to have an interim decision on the supply of natural gas, we appealed to the court to speed up the issuance of the interim decision, which would ensure, on the one hand, price setting, on the other hand - supply of natural gas”

All these statements significantly weakened Poroshenko’s already not very strong position in negotiations with Putin. Moreover, some statements Yatsenyuk cause (I will prove below) irritation among Europeans. What “interim solution”, and who will wait for this decision ?!

Irritation more and more often results in concrete statements by EU politicians, which also testifies to a kind of "fatigue" from Kiev blackmail.

Polish Deputy Prime Minister Janusz Pechotsinski said, for example:

“We hear that there is interest in the Polish coal from the Ukrainian side, but on condition that it will be free. I'm just in shock, if not call it even stronger. It is absolutely obvious that the Ukrainian side is also interested in importing coal to the problems of as many states as possible. ”

Ban Janusz voiced what many have in their heads. “Cunning”, according to Yatsenyuk, the plan to draw European countries into Ukraine’s problems has failed. How was it possible to get out of the negotiations "winner" with such a negative background?

As a result, we have Poroshenko, who went for ALL the conditions, and these conditions are not Russian, but European-Russian:

• temporary gas price for purchases in winter $ 385;

• minimum volume ~ 5 billion cubic meters;

• prepayment for gas;

• debt repayment before the end of the year.

What concessions has the Kremlin made? Debt reduction by 1 billion dollars.

Is this a rebate? No, this is a fiction, and now I will explain why.

Neither the EU nor the Stockholm court recognized and in the foreseeable future does not recognize the annexation of the Crimea. Thus, the cancellation of the discount in 100 dollars, the very "Kharkov agreements", the EU and Stockholm would never have recognized.

It turns out that the Kremlin has even made a defeat a plus, presenting a concession that would inevitably happen in any case.

Theses of the "loser" (according to the Ukrainian side) Putin:

“We understand the financial condition of the Ukrainian partners, we see that they do have problems, we see that there is a cash gap.”

We would be happy to enter the situation, but it’s impossible to live in debt.

“... our European partners, the European Commission, can also, in my opinion, even have to give Ukraine a leverage and help solve this problem with the cash gap. There are certain tools: either it is a bridge loan, or it is a transfer of the next tranche of the IMF, or a guarantee of a first-class European bank. ”

He clearly follows the policy of shifting Ukrainian problems onto the EU’s shoulders. They say that we would even be happy to help, we are generally “for”, but you - “turn up the shoulder”. Better yet, provide a guarantee. You do provide, do not leave a weak friend in trouble?

"We, Russia, can no longer take on additional risks."

But you, the European partners, take it.

“Russia will not deliver anything to debt. And I will say why. First, we need a certain consumer discipline. After all, the level of collection, for example, in Ukraine is very low, much lower than in Russia. And the cost, the price is quite low. "

Again: and would be happy. But "need discipline." As a teacher about the student.

“..Three billion, we gave a loan at the end of last year. One billion and four hundred of our partners owe us for the last two months of last year — for November and December. One billion four hundred is an indisputable figure. Nobody argues about anything about deliveries last year, but no one wants to pay money. ”

In this case, you "turn up the shoulder." A country that does not pay bills.

“They do not raise them, these volumes, and do not direct them to the chemical industry of Ukraine. The chemical industry is getting up. But this is like the internal problems of Ukraine. And our problem is that, count: four and a half plus billion eight hundred plus billion four hundred - how many runs there? Already under the top ten runs up. But we can no longer deliver on credit, it is impossible. ”

Without making any concessions, Putin blamed the European Union for the further solution of the gas issue.

Indirectly, the absence of any concessions on the part of the Kremlin was confirmed by Minister Yuri Prodan:

“When we met, in words it was felt that there was some mood for constructive negotiations from the Russian side. We thought that, guided by the basic protocol proposed by the EC, we would be able to reach agreements. However, when the Russian side proposed its own version of the protocol - we saw that it almost completely abandoned the main provisions of the protocol developed by the EC. ”

Kiev went for all conditions. But there is no money. Therefore, at a meeting of foreign ministers in Luxembourg, Ukraine asked the European Commission for two billion dollars to cover debts and prepayments.

It is interesting how the head of the European Commission spoke about the possibility of providing such assistance:

“The question of assistance is being discussed, but we are not talking about such a sum”

Czech Foreign Minister Lubomir Zaoralek said that aid could be provided, but subject to control over the spending of these funds:

“The EU may consider providing additional funds to Ukraine, which, among other things, can be used to cover the debt to Gazprom ... However, any money should be provided to Ukraine only under clear guarantees of reform, fighting corruption and meeting all other EU conditions. We must have control over the allocation of the allocated funds. ”

That is, all the requirements and conditions of the EU and Russia are accepted. The reputation of the country as “a girl whom I would not borrow” is cemented.

And now, going back to the beginning of the article - so what did they say about “victory”?
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  1. Renat
    Renat 22 October 2014 09: 31
    +52
    It is not by chance that Parashenko was called an accidental person in big politics. Well, what kind of president is he, if he says that the ceasefire in the Donbass is violated by uncontrolled units. Alone, without approval from overseas, not a single step can be taken. Even the gas issue was discussed in the presence of Western seconds.
    1. insafufa
      insafufa 22 October 2014 09: 35
      +67
      I’ll say it easier as our boring wino Borka 2
      1. Момент
        Момент 22 October 2014 09: 40
        +43
        Kiev should not expect Brussels to pay Ukrainian debts for gas. The chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel called on Ukraine to take on more responsibility in resolving the gas conflict. She criticized Kiev’s low activity in resolving disagreements with Gazprom.
        “Everyone must contribute. Let Ukraine not expect that everything around will solve its problems that only it can solve, ”Merkel quotes the Rusposters resource.
        “We hear that there is interest in the Polish coal from the Ukrainian side, but on condition that it will be free. I'm just in shock, if not call it even stronger. It is absolutely obvious that the Ukrainian side is also interested in importing coal to the problems of as many states as possible. ”


        We can see you have to gallop and gallop., And only dream of gas. All the freebie is over. Friends of Ukraine scatter somewhere.
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 22 October 2014 10: 14
          +23
          Quote: Moment
          All the freebie is over.

          what
          "The bear is waiting for how to skin someone" - according to news 24. laughing
          "No matter how many wolves you feed, the bear has more"
          "As an eagle lives - does not sow, does not reap"
          "The boar looks like a bear, only the wool is not the same"
          "The wolf is prowling - looking for bread"
          "Do not be afraid of the deceitful wolf, but be afraid of the silent one"
          "The wild boar ran from the bear and hit the wolf"
          "Boar to wolf friend, brother, wool and meat" wassat
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv 22 October 2014 11: 25
            +11
            Quote: Sid.74
            "The bear is waiting to skin someone."

            The title of this video is incorrect, but the point is straight to the point in the current situation laughing
            1. Manul
              Manul 22 October 2014 12: 54
              +14
              Quote: mhpv
              but the point is straight to the point in the current situation

              repeat I apologize for leaving the topic of the article, but it’s painfully gorgeous, albeit frightening video ... Goosebumps belay
              1. Captain45
                Captain45 22 October 2014 13: 29
                +10
                I also apologize, because "THE LAST PICTURE is not the most successful" for the simple reason that polar bears do not run in the taiga lol Although it can be assumed that this robe camouflage donned. laughing
                1. 23 region
                  23 region 22 October 2014 14: 02
                  +14
                  Quote: Captain45
                  I also apologize, because "THE LAST PICTURE is not the most successful" for the simple reason that polar bears do not run in the taiga lol Although it can be assumed that this robe camouflage donned. laughing

                  Maybe so?
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            2. Nicholas C.
              Nicholas C. 22 October 2014 13: 18
              +29
              Quote: Author Anatoly Shary
              Neither the EU nor the Stockholm court recognized and in the foreseeable future does not recognize the annexation of the Crimea. Thus, the cancellation of the discount in 100 dollars, the very "Kharkov agreements", the EU and Stockholm would never have recognized.

              Here Sharii has a mess in his head. The Kharkiv agreements and the $ 100 discount for Ukraine on them have nothing to do with the "annexation" of Crimea. This is a discount for permission to continue leasing the BSF base AFTER 2017. Those. the event, for which the Russians have already paid many billions of dollars by supporting the anti-Russian Yanukovy Ukraine, has not yet arrived. We decided to denounce the Kharkov agreements, we have the right. And these agreements have nothing to do with the initial supply contract, which determined the gas price.

              So a billion dollars to finance the Nazis and the genocide of New Russia was presented again.

              Are there any other questions. Why didn’t they stop supplying gas without payment, if not from the beginning of March, even from the second quarter, from April? They had the right, because not only the first quarter was not paid, but also the fourth of the previous year. Why was fascist Ukraine allowed to pump gas for free into a storage facility that would be enough for almost the entire winter? That is, they financed the killer regime for these 5.3 billion dollars. Moreover, they gave a billion, but even from the rest the Nazis will give m. only three. And that is not a fact, because no longer asking. At the same time, Bandera-fascist Ukraine will again be supplied according to needs.

              Notice. Against the backdrop of chatter about South African and Polish coal, Ukraine is supplied with coal from Russia. What is it like?
              economics.unian.net/industry/988310-ukraina-budet-pokupat-ugol-v-rossii.html

              This is done by the Russian government against the background of the fact that Ukraine has buried the water supply channel of Crimea for the purpose of genocide of Crimeans, against the background of the massive destruction of substations, water intakes, heating centers, pipelines, bakeries, kindergartens, schools, churches and everything without the Bandera-Fascist Ukraine you can not live.

              For what purpose does the Russian government maintain a bandera-fascist regime in Ukraine that has staged a massive genocide of us Russians?
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 22 October 2014 15: 46
                +3
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                . This is a discount for allowing the continuation of the lease of the Black Sea Fleet AFTER 2017.

                This discount has long been drove through .

                It is generally surprising to me to read all these arguments, including the author of the article.
                $ 385 this price with a discount of $ 100 from $ 485.
                Remind me when this price was announced and why (then discount) ?!

                After all, what battles were there in terms of non-payment / price and how many prophets have orated that the Russian Federation will not transfer Ukraine to prepayment and even more so stop deliveries?
                How short is human memory.
              2. ququ
                ququ 22 October 2014 18: 31
                +5
                In the economy-politics and relations of the Russian Federation-Ukraine, the collective farmers-philistines - there is nothing personal (I, for example, my household) will always have more questions than answers (due to lack of information). IMHO - they steal, they cunning both there (Naftogaz) and there (Gazprom)))

                And the videos of A. Sharia are constantly watched and with great respect to the author - IMHO - Everything is on the case. It’s good that his publications are here too.
                Article ++++
              3. BIG
                BIG 24 October 2014 10: 10
                0
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                did not stop supplying gas without payment

                The decision was political. Just because no businessman would have suffered a similar situation. And consequently..
                Well, that is, as a result. As much as the EU does not like its friends "democrats", but somehow it does not want to pay N-th number of billions for them. And consequently..
                Poroshenko (with the "support" of Yaytsenyuk) is forced to make definite decisions.
                Second moment. In the event of the collapse of Ukraine, regardless of the number of entities remaining in the uhh .. unitary state, all obligations are recorded in Kiev. Accordingly, the pressure levers.
            3. RU-Officer
              RU-Officer 22 October 2014 20: 55
              0
              Sad video (about bears) ... There is no continuation ... sad
              It looked like breakfast was tourists ... wink
              1. Manul
                Manul 24 October 2014 00: 48
                +2
                Quote: RU-Officer
                Sad video (about bears) ... There is no continuation ...
                It looked like breakfast was tourists ...

                Quote: ddd1975
                It's a pity dudes, although they were fools.

                When the first teddy bear appeared, these unfortunate video enthusiasts needed to grab the dog by the bosom and get out of there. And when the mother appeared, you should already be dissolved in the air, burrow underground, dive to the bottom of the lake for an hour or two ... Indeed, it's a pity for idiots.
            4. ddd1975
              ddd1975 23 October 2014 03: 48
              +1
              It's a pity dudes, although they were fools.
            5. ale53059
              ale53059 23 October 2014 12: 40
              +4
              and this phrase will be right to the point of this video I would like to supplement this with the words of one "not weak" man:
              "I know a thousand ways to get a Russian bear out of a den, but I don't know any one how to drive it back!"
              “Do not hope that once you take advantage of the weakness of the Russians, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come, do not rely on the Jesuit agreements you signed, supposedly to justify you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. with the Russians it is worth either playing fair, or not playing at all. "

              Otto von Bismarck
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 22 October 2014 13: 22
            +2
            Quote: Sid.74
            "As an eagle lives - does not sow, does not reap"

            Heh heh heh ... well, the Greyjoy house has appeared.
            Eagle, speak? Or bald eagle? wink
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 22 October 2014 14: 11
              +4
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Or a bald eagle? wink

              Well .. It seems like the logic of eagle! Bear-RF, wild boar-Ukraine, wolf-EU and eagle-USA.

              Quote: Alexey RA
              Heh heh heh ... well, the Greyjoy house has appeared.

              yes
        2. WKS
          WKS 22 October 2014 10: 19
          +12
          Czech Foreign Minister Lubomir Zaoralek said that aid could be provided, but subject to control over the spending of these funds:

          And the Czechs are looking at the root. Apparently more than other EU-Soviets are familiar with the Ukrainian specifics of privatization of public funds.
          1. avg
            avg 22 October 2014 12: 09
            +9
            The hosts made a big mistake. Any old soldier knows - even if you have love with a German Frau, she still wants to get something from you. A young, greyhound Yaytsenyukh encroached on Frau Merkel's wallet. Here one cannot get rid of the American "fakom", Germany does not forgive this. No.
          2. Lelek
            Lelek 23 October 2014 11: 58
            +10
            Quote: wks
            And the Czechs are looking at the root. Apparently more than other EU-Soviets are familiar with the Ukrainian specifics of privatization of public funds.



            Why be surprised. All the close neighbors of the principality of Kiev realized that IT is. Only the Western EU gets it tight (or does not want to accept the truth). bully
        3. Aleksander
          Aleksander 22 October 2014 10: 57
          +6
          Quote: Moment
          All the freebie is over


          Of the debt of 5,3 billion, Russia will receive only 1,41 billion, and the remainder of 4 billion will never be received. Isn't that a freebie?
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 22 October 2014 12: 10
            -2
            Firstly, these numbers are already starting to get confused. Secondly, by the end of the year 3,1 billion. For which we give half of the required gas - 2 billion cubes. And if you still want to normally overwinter, then give the rest that you do not dispute. Well, there is already Stockholm arbitration.
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            2. Aleksander
              Aleksander 22 October 2014 12: 18
              0
              They will pay 1,41 billion, they will pay an advance payment of 700 million and-EVERYTHING! Russia will not see anything else. Take a look ...
              1. Oldwiser
                Oldwiser 22 October 2014 13: 26
                -1
                Here, in one month, Usrain will receive it.
                1. mamont5
                  mamont5 22 October 2014 15: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: OldWiser
                  Here, in one month, Usrain will receive it.


                  How much they pay - they will receive so much. What is unclear here. Life does not end there. It will be necessary to live on, and therefore pay debts.
                  If the junta survives, of course.
              2. Cynic
                Cynic 22 October 2014 13: 57
                +2
                Quote: Aleksander
                Russia will not see anything else. Take a look ...

                Of course, that's just not clear? Why are you so happy?
                1. Aleksander
                  Aleksander 23 October 2014 11: 11
                  +3
                  And where did you see the joy? This is a concern ...
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              3. alicante11
                alicante11 22 October 2014 14: 13
                0
                Open your eyes and read what is written. How much they pay, so much they will receive. let the rest jump.
                1. Aleksander
                  Aleksander 23 October 2014 11: 16
                  +1
                  Open yours and read it again - out of 5,5 billion debt will be paid ONLY by 1,41 and-will receive gas! What's this-
                  Quote: alicante11
                  How much they pay, so much they will receive
                  ??
                  1. Cynic
                    Cynic 23 October 2014 17: 11
                    0
                    Quote: Aleksander
                    Open yours and read it again — out of 5,5 billion debt, ONLY 1,41 will be paid and-will receive gas!

                    Do not share the source?
                    So far, it has been decided _ 2 billion by the end of October and another 1.1 by the end of the year. Then, according to the decision of the Stockholm court, they recognize the Naftogaz lawsuit _ there will be nothing more to pay the Ukraine of the Russian Federation, in case of not recognizing the claim, Ukraine will have to pay another 2 billion.
                    It seems to be in the amount of 5.1 billion.
                    http://thekievtimes.ua/economics/400853-skolko-ukraina-zaplatit-rossii-za-gaz.ht
                    ml
                2. Aleksander
                  Aleksander 23 October 2014 11: 16
                  0
                  Open yours and read it again - out of 5,5 billion debt will be paid ONLY by 1,41 and-will receive gas! What's this-
                  Quote: alicante11
                  How much they pay, so much they will receive
                  ??
              4. zenith
                zenith 23 October 2014 10: 11
                0
                winter is 2014-2015, not the first and not the last!
          2. xan
            xan 24 October 2014 11: 56
            0
            Quote: Aleksander
            Of the debt of 5,3 billion, Russia will receive only 1,41 billion, and the remainder of 4 billion will never be received. Isn't that a freebie?

            never say never
            I wish dill always such a freebie, similar to begging to a beggar.
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        5. papas-57
          papas-57 22 October 2014 16: 25
          +5
          "Ukraine's friends are scattering in some direction." And Ukraine had no friends in Geyrop. There were guides leading the blind into the pit with the desire to profit from this.
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        7. andrereu74
          andrereu74 22 October 2014 21: 34
          +2
          "and the grandmother sits at the broken trough"))) as in a fairy tale straight
        8. Vlad.K.S.
          Vlad.K.S. 22 October 2014 22: 31
          +4
          There is money for weapons and war with one’s own people; for fuel in the winter, there’s nothing dumb. Conclusion: glad imprisoned for destruction, and not for creation. So which will lend them something, either?
      2. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 22 October 2014 09: 49
        +7
        Our Borya wino Borka 2

        Correct - Boris II Forty-centigrade.
      3. van50man
        van50man 23 October 2014 11: 17
        +1
        ... - Borya-sweet tooth! (He says a lot, ,, sweetly, yes there’s no way!). Russia is trying to, with soda, unblock stuck brains ... ,, only the Western partners are still pouring syrup on the heads of Svidomo!!
      4. Dilshat
        Dilshat 23 October 2014 23: 32
        0
        laughing You can say Bandera Kiev decided to ob ... sorry to fool your burnt pimp.
    2. APES
      APES 22 October 2014 09: 41
      +12
      Yuri Prodan: "this is piz-ts"
      V.V. Putin: "everything is fine"
      Parashenko: "I agreed"
      1. I do not care
        I do not care 22 October 2014 10: 00
        +39
        The President of Ukraine emerged victorious from the negotiation process. laughing
        1. DShB
          DShB 23 October 2014 21: 31
          +1
          He has a hfamilia PARASHENKO-he conceived himself-JUDAH !!!!
      2. ispaniard
        ispaniard 22 October 2014 10: 10
        +14
        Well done Shariy, used to dabble with his video, where he ridiculed the nonsense UkroSMI remember, (from the last) from Min. defense of the APU "Poltorashka" - Mortar airstrike и North South...
        Now I see that the analyst from Anatolia is very good, he summed up his article beautifully -
        Quote: APES
        That is, all requirements and all conditions of the EU and Russia have been accepted. The reputation of the country as “A girl whom I would not borrow” cemented.
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    4. Per se.
      Per se. 22 October 2014 10: 22
      +13
      Quote: Renat
      ceasefire in the Donbass violate uncontrolled units
      Strikes on Donetsk with Tochka-U missiles cannot be carried out by “uncontrolled units”. The ceasefire is being violated from the conduct of Poroshenko, moreover, and, most likely, by his order. Do not consider Poroshenko a fool, a random person, he is a dangerous adversary and a very valuable "Moor" for the United States, who has not yet done his job.
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      2. alexng
        alexng 22 October 2014 13: 15
        +2
        The "Parashanko" is already completely lying, but nothing will save him. He was caught in the middle without a protective suit. His cremation is already so close that he only has to jam vodka without drying out, i.e. "Pedrilo-Parasha" is future dust and now he has no choice at all. USA potassium has already been drained.
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        2. DShB
          DShB 23 October 2014 19: 51
          0
          Who is next ???
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 23 October 2014 19: 59
            +1
            Quote: DShB
            Who is next ???

            Yes, a lot of them, in turn, the first has already gone _
    5. cyberhanter
      cyberhanter 22 October 2014 10: 24
      -5
      do you drive 385 is an intermediate price, our base was 485! Only 2,65 (0.65 already transferred a month ago) to return debts, and not almost 5 billions, as required, in addition, we did not bargain for Novorossia, and it would be easier to carry out ATOs with gas and corresponding support from Poroshenko. wake up! Pctin won NOTHING! I'm not an alarmist, I just judge sensibly. Our policy did NOTHING what was said half a year ago
      1. krivdaSPb
        krivdaSPb 22 October 2014 10: 41
        +15
        Why do we need to bargain for New Russia? Who? Euriks or this hog? All that is needed in New Russia, we will give. Without humiliation and bargaining.
        As for gas and ATO, this is the trick that the Jews, having spent on gas for Ukraine, will not be able to squeeze anything out for ATO. even if they wanted to. And they definitely will not want to.
        Plus, tight control over "accountable money".
        Europe remembers too well 2008 when it froze, thanks to its Ukrainian brothers ... less.
        So, this will not have money for a war, nor will it have time - it will have to put a lot of brains on so that all these donated billions do not dissipate, as usual, into the pockets of patriots.
        Well, the last. About wins and losses. Putin simply reminded Europe who is the boss in the winter home. He reminded quite clearly - hinting at a possible re-chill in Europe, and that the problems of Ukraine are now for sure - the problems of the European Union.
      2. Stone
        Stone 22 October 2014 12: 57
        +2
        By the way, who will pay for gas delivered to Novorossia? Since Ukraine considers it to be its territory, then, accordingly, Ukraine must pay for gas.
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 22 October 2014 13: 31
          -2
          Since NovoRossiysk gas will be supplied to Akhmetov personally (as the main shareholder of Novorossiya CJSC), then Akhmetov will pay personally. Perhaps - with a deferred payment.
    6. krivdaSPb
      krivdaSPb 22 October 2014 10: 34
      +3
      "... Parashenko was called a random person in big politics."
      Yeah, but Yaytsenyuk is not accidental there. And the rest of the bunch of "professionals".
      If you look like this, there is only one pro Klitschko - and then in massacre.
      Well, Julia, perhaps, still pulls on competence ... on theft issues for the most part.
      And the rest are caricatures. Just caricatures.
    7. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 22 October 2014 10: 53
      +2
      Quote: Renat
      . Alone, without approval from overseas, not a single step can be taken. Even the gas issue was discussed in the presence of Western seconds.

      That's right. The junta is on wages in the White House. They receive this allowance for efforts aimed at the destruction of economic relations between Russia and the EU. What will happen this winter to the people, industry, even - the reputation of Ukraine in the eyes of Europeans - is not so important for them. In this dirty deed, perhaps, the junta succeeds. But, just for Ukraine, the success of the junta is a disaster.
    8. siberalt
      siberalt 22 October 2014 11: 28
      +3
      Gazprom will squeeze Europe. Let’s recall how they accused Russia of gas shortages due to the fact that Ukraine stole. All the shortages from the theft were made up at the expense of Russia and transferred to the political plane. Now it will be at the expense of the EU, as by definition you can’t fix Ukraine. Does Europe need it? Play in the orchestra of the Ukrainian booth without difficulty will not work. And who will hear? That’s why it’s still suitable and will blow at its own expense, but they will request South Stream. This option begs itself from the fact that Gazprom rejected the offer of Europe to offset the payment of transit and gas supplies to Ukraine.
      1. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 22 October 2014 20: 59
        +3
        South Stream is a new gas pipeline, bigger than others. But it will not be some kind of new gas. South Stream will still deliver gas from Gazprom. Instead of Ukraine, it will pass through the Black Sea in order to reach the European Union. This is not bad, but it will not be a miracle. ”

        I work on the construction of the Russkaya compressor station which is being built near Anapa. Construction is proceeding at a frantic pace (they say that we are ahead of the delivery schedule by 1 year) So next year the first stage of South Stream will be launched
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    11. romashki74
      romashki74 22 October 2014 16: 32
      +1
      Well, if the "uncontrolled forces" have "Point U", "Tornado" and "Grady" ... Who does he control in this case ???
  2. insafufa
    insafufa 22 October 2014 09: 32
    +7
    so what did they say about "victory" there?

    Not, as always, the clever disinformation from Parasia for the Ukrpatriots
    1. Renat
      Renat 22 October 2014 09: 38
      +4
      Well yes. Points must be earned. Although they prophesy more than 47 percent in the upcoming elections, but still ...
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 22 October 2014 13: 33
      +1
      "The fakir was drunk and the trick failed." How many oligophrenics still remain on the ruin who believed in this Gutroshenkovskaya "change"?
  3. Giant thought
    Giant thought 22 October 2014 09: 32
    +11
    Ukrainians persuade themselves that Poroshenko won. How many do not say: halva, halva - in your mouth it will not be sweet.
  4. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 22 October 2014 09: 32
    +8
    This is not negotiations on gas supplies, but gas Kama Sutra - solid positions and poses.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 22 October 2014 09: 50
      +10
      Quote: B.T.W.
      and gas Kamasutra - continuous positions and poses.

      There are different poses -
      Decent and ugly:
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 October 2014 09: 34
    +8
    Shariy is great. On the information front, he constantly "lowers" the Ukrainian media.

    "Cunning," according to Yatsenyuk, the plan to draw European countries into Ukrainian problems has failed.

    What Yatsenyuk will sing in the winter. In my opinion, it has one end - they will tear their own (if they do not have time to escape into the geyropu).
    1. ROD VDVshny
      ROD VDVshny 22 October 2014 11: 05
      +5
      Quote: rotmistr60
      What Yatsenyuk will sing in the winter.

      It seems that they sing each on their own ... everything that they dream of. Yesterday, in the news, they cited another statement by Sold - to buy 2 billion cubic meters in the Russian Federation, the rest should be obtained by reverse from the geyropa. This it blurted out after the negotiations on the 21st. Not a word about the obligatory 5 billion, again cuts everything in its own way.
      One of the main goals of the Milanese gangway was to make Russia "crushed by sanctions" once again sponsor the unfortunate kakl.o.v., preserving the opportunity for them to continue arming themselves and waging war with the "saved" money.
      So far, the "peremoga" has turned out exactly the opposite - by the new year it is necessary to lay out more than three billion dollars + an advance payment. There is no money, the source of funding has not yet been found, the Europeans categorically refuse to part with their hard-earned money. In the meantime, freezing temperatures begin in Kiev by the weekend.
  6. sega72
    sega72 22 October 2014 09: 35
    +5
    Shary fumbles.
  7. Stinger
    Stinger 22 October 2014 09: 40
    +19
    Pussycat! In you, the talent for poverty has been laid down since childhood! Pity is necessary! Monsieur! Same mange na sis jour. ..
  8. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 22 October 2014 09: 41
    +10
    Czech Foreign Minister Lubomir Zaoralek said that aid could be provided, but subject to control over the spending of these funds:

    Well, what can you do, you cut the poor, unfortunate juntas without a knife, assigning control over the spending of allocated funds, and you such greedy Europeans did not think how rulers of dill would live on without kickbacks and cuts in loans, you are not good people, radishes in a word .
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 22 October 2014 10: 12
      +4
      We can say more: Ukraine steals a sign for receiving a foreign currency tranche, and money is transferred directly from Brussels to Gazprom's accounts. That’s the whole conversation. Because stolen - completely incompetent in this area. Will the EU do this, will it give money?
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 22 October 2014 13: 39
        +2
        This is doubtful. And these doubts have as many as two worms:
        (1) the pathological greed of EU hucksters - "pay for someone"
        (2) Did the "beggar" from Washington give the go-ahead? He will also punish - "for payment in favor of Russia, which is under financial sanctions"
  9. pensioner
    pensioner 22 October 2014 09: 46
    +18
    The amazing country of Ukraine! Around victory, and the Arctic fox is getting closer and closer yes ...paradox what .
  10. erased
    erased 22 October 2014 09: 50
    +12
    And why do you need to sell gas to the outskirts? What the hell?
    For debts - in addition to 5,3 billion dollars, they should return 3 billion dollars of loan and about 6 (or so) billion dollars + gold from the Scythian collection. And only after that we can talk about something. For example, that no one is obliged to sell gas.
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander 22 October 2014 10: 52
      +6
      I absolutely agree with you! Now they will pay 2,1 billion, receive gas, and Russia will NEVER see the remaining 4 billion debt for gas, it’s obvious. As well as the repayment of last year's 3 billion loan. And all you had to do was poke everyone's nose into the current CONTRACT and demand its implementation. And so they give a chance to the Nazis, the enemies of Russia, to survive.
      Politics are stupid and shortsighted. So Poroshenko, by and large, the winner ....
      1. nicollider
        nicollider 22 October 2014 12: 32
        -1
        as one Crimean daughter of an air conditioner said, it’s not so simple: Gazprom has the resource Europe needs. a resource by and large a monopoly. if you agree on such conditions, then that’s what you need. time will tell.
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  11. Max otto
    Max otto 22 October 2014 09: 50
    +6
    That there kudy do not spit everywhere. Ukraine...
  12. Ilya22558
    Ilya22558 22 October 2014 09: 51
    +4
    I wonder how many geyropa will break before he pays for Ukrainians (well, or give guarantees)?
    The black lord is overseas and he is warm, and General Frost is getting closer and closer ...
  13. bootlegger
    bootlegger 22 October 2014 09: 53
    +5
    Putin probably already laughed at these Ukrainian-European dances. A congenital habit of a freebie and no less congenital euro-dominance gave rise to a unique hopeless situation.
    The EU tried to bite off a piece of the payment which it hoped to fuck from Russia. But it did not grow together. And even the solution to the problem will be temporary until March. The situation will go on growing longer. For the remnants of Ukraine’s industry, there will be no gas left in the spring and it will be necessary to fill the storage facilities for pumping next winter. To look for money for the next season Ukraine will be completely unhappy.
    So wang!
    By the summer, the EU will write off Ukraine. Both as a transit country and as a partner of the EU. And it will actively promote UP.
  14. FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 22 October 2014 09: 54
    +5
    Europe’s money will be given .... Ukraine has nothing to give .... Conclusion ...... They will give what they have ....... enterprises, pipes, ...... the oil and gas sector will completely leave. ......
  15. b.t.a.
    b.t.a. 22 October 2014 09: 56
    +5
    It has long been necessary for Russia to act without any flirting in relation to the non-fraternal outskirts. When this obscurantism began "in Kiev" I thought that, as always, the US and the EU would charge Russia with everything, and again gas on debt, billions of dollars in loans, and in return for Russophobia and we are not brothers. It is high time to teach discipline. Although with such policies, the outskirts are unlikely to understand anything.
  16. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 22 October 2014 09: 56
    +8
    lol European money for Ukraine should be sent by direct transfer to Moscow bypassing Kiev.
    Only this way the Europeans will receive guarantees of targeted spending yes
    As they say, they and we are calmer, and Natsik will not let the loot go to war.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 22 October 2014 13: 44
      +3
      Yes, the EU does not pay a damn - hopeless debtors are not even given to the funeral.
  17. Signature
    Signature 22 October 2014 09: 57
    +6
    A truly encouraging and interestingly written article (however, the author’s name is also a brand name).
    Separately - regarding the entry: yes, the powerful role of the media is quite tangible. Moreover, everywhere (regardless of the "host country"), they forge the consciousness of the masses hotly. The result is beyond doubt ... (Sometimes you want to gather all the journalists and ... But everyone is stupid: there is Anatoly Shariy, and someone else.)
    The German clarity of Ettinger's current position was unambiguously pleased. Especially on the South Stream (they would sooner raise it up!).
    There are, however, "vague doubts" about the emerging alliance (Euro-Russian): too often Russian politicians (in my opinion) share the skin of a bear that has not yet been killed. And no matter how many of them there are - virtual bear skins, the real one is still on the bear, and he (the cunning clubfoot) is in a dense forest, and where that malicious forest is, is still not entirely clear ...
  18. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 October 2014 10: 00
    +8
    Dill without rollback, that fat without salt. And you want to allocate money for gas to them, and not give anything to steal. Insidious Europeans. Just give dill a visa-free regime, here you will hiccup.
    1. Dormidont
      Dormidont 22 October 2014 11: 35
      +4
      And what. Let them search, maybe another time, God forbid another time, they will be smarter than themselves today. The fact that any money, if any, will be given to Ukraine to pay off debts and prepay gas, will not go as intended - don’t go to the grandmother, it’s clear to everyone. Therefore, the EU shudders: how to give something? They will dash and again pump out, i.e. steal someone else's gas from a pipe. Something the Poles do not even consider the possibility of supplying coal without money, the main farmers know who can easily throw, you won’t spend them!
  19. KBR109
    KBR109 22 October 2014 10: 17
    +8
    Poland has already tightened this very regime and without asking Brussels ...
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 22 October 2014 13: 45
      +1
      They are at a direct suction from Washington, they can not get permission once again in Brussels.
  20. ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 22 October 2014 10: 18
    +6
    I’m just wondering how long, in time, the great Fuhrer of the Outskirts will hang noodles for their independent people, before the first frost, before the first snow, more options? But seriously, it’s worth calculating how much money was spent on the ATO, for this money it was quite possible to come to an agreement and solve the issues in the Southeast in a completely peaceful way, but from a different reality, having seized power in the Outskirts, they are not able to solve anything by the world, they in the heads of the bacillus of destruction, and this is worse than the Ebola, they simply are not able to create something, only to ruin, however, like their masters from across the ocean, after the intervention of which there remains only ruin and bloodshed.
    1. Dormidont
      Dormidont 22 October 2014 11: 38
      +2
      Exactly! Why drive such grandmothers into the war, if tomorrow the cold and hungry people will ask you: "Why is that !?"
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 22 October 2014 13: 49
        +1
        As comrade V.Nikonov (V.M. Molotov's grandson) politely explains - "this is an EXTERNAL management"
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 22 October 2014 13: 47
      0
      The Washington regional committee of the nonesh "rulers of usraina" set for that - so that there was
      Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
      devastation and bloodshed
      and hemorrhoids for Russia.
  21. morpogr
    morpogr 22 October 2014 10: 25
    +7
    They all hopped, had fun, and counted, wept. On the way to Europe, no one promised to feed for free. And already in Europe and in general Ukraine will be in the role of a serf forever owing to the owners of money, therefore disenfranchised.
  22. Aleksey888
    Aleksey888 22 October 2014 10: 29
    +5
    In general, the EU got on "grandmothers" Farmers demand money, Ukrainians demand. Will they give everyone?
  23. Semenov
    Semenov 22 October 2014 10: 32
    +3
    But Poroshenko is a corpse, while political ...
  24. shinobi
    shinobi 22 October 2014 10: 41
    +3
    Everything is just beginning. There will be another maidan. And I'm terribly interested in what kind of sauce.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 22 October 2014 13: 50
      +2
      under brown sauce - frostbitten Nazis will slaughter "moderates"
  25. Yasondinalt
    Yasondinalt 22 October 2014 10: 52
    +4
    But the great Ukriya won. And it doesn't matter that the whole Europa is already tired of such victories. The main thing is that the Ukrainians believe in victory. But then the awakening will hurt more. I am afraid, only that we do not fall for all sorts of "humanitarian catastrophes" in this victorious country.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 22 October 2014 13: 52
      -1
      and what will you do when millions of refugees on caravans creep into Russia? From machine guns will you mow (how do mattresses wet illegal migrants from Mexico in Texas)?
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 23 October 2014 21: 00
        0
        Well, why from machine guns? to do as they do in the middle of the day: no preferences, no job placement to the detriment of the locals, and most importantly: if you want to work, work, no, etc. ... blow to Evropa or a mattress for cookies from nuland! after all, are there men there or is there something left in the pants? recourse
  26. imugn
    imugn 22 October 2014 11: 15
    +5
    Good article, just don’t call the reunification of Crimea annexation
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 22 October 2014 13: 53
      +1
      The author is Ukrainian. It is still officially believed there that "Crimea is a temporarily occupied territory." If he writes about "reunification" the SBU may solder an article on separatism to him.
  27. vdtomsk
    vdtomsk 22 October 2014 11: 21
    +8
    Sakharov's words are very suitable for the situation in Ukraine
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 22 October 2014 12: 14
      +4
      Quote: vdtomsk
      Sakharov's words are very suitable for the situation in Ukraine

      In what sense is that?
      Now in Ukraine this triple freedom is complete, for kuevsky .
  28. IAlex
    IAlex 22 October 2014 11: 22
    -3
    After the Americans got shale in the Donbas, the issue of Khokhlyad gas is temporary ...
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 22 October 2014 12: 10
      +12
      Quote: IAlex
      After the Americans got shale in the Donbas, the issue of Khokhlyad gas is temporary ...

      Details, please ?
  29. Cristall
    Cristall 22 October 2014 11: 30
    -1
    At VO, I did not expect other articles with content like this.
    The "party line" prism influences the selection of articles.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 22 October 2014 11: 59
      -1
      Quote: Cristall
      At VO, I did not expect other articles with content like this.

      Not carefully, you read it, not thoughtfully.
      The article is also one with subtext.
      hi
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 22 October 2014 13: 55
      0
      Then you'd probably better go to the "censor"
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 22 October 2014 15: 53
        +2
        Quote: OldWiser
        Then you'd probably better go to the "censor"

        Impolitely respected Oldwiser , immediately send the person who just arrived from there, back.
    3. kotvov
      kotvov 22 October 2014 18: 00
      +1
      Yes, you already go to the censor, there are the collections that you want to hear. You read, you're the smartest, everyone else.
  30. givigor71
    givigor71 22 October 2014 12: 00
    +7
    without words...
  31. Serge Mikhas
    Serge Mikhas 22 October 2014 12: 02
    +1
    Sometimes the statements of the Ukrainian government are perceived as comic sketches ...
  32. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 22 October 2014 12: 06
    +2
    There are two wonderful warm words - "South Stream"! Think about it, eu.
  33. s30461
    s30461 22 October 2014 12: 14
    +5
    Quote: IAlex
    After the Americans got shale in the Donbas, the issue of Khokhlyad gas is temporary ...

    Something tells me that if the Americans get shale in the Southeast, it will only be glued together and with the inscription "Made in China".
    Ideally, you need to wait until they have completed the drilling of the wells, but will not reach the explosions of the reservoirs, and then they will expel everyone. Wells are plugged and left as a state reserve.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 22 October 2014 13: 58
      +1
      Show me at least one driller who will go to drill (even if three times BURISMA) in the combat zone.
  34. Viktor Kudinov
    Viktor Kudinov 22 October 2014 12: 15
    +3
    When the gas goes, the guns must be silent! stop Gas can get scared and stop! stop
  35. viciva
    viciva 22 October 2014 13: 16
    +6
    Ukrainian policy towards Russia -
    "Neighbor, let me devour, otherwise I'm under your door
    nothing shit "
  36. Captain45
    Captain45 22 October 2014 13: 24
    +12
    Another collapse of illusions is South Stream. Oettinger unexpectedly very softly articulated the priority of the project for the EU: South Stream is a new pipeline, bigger than others. But this will not be some new gas. South Stream will also supply gas to Gazprom. Instead of Ukraine, it will pass through the Black Sea to reach the European Union. It’s not bad, but it won’t be a miracle. ”
    Two weeks ago I was going on vacation, in Moscow two men got into a compartment, I hear colleagues from the gas industry, but they are not connected with production, but telemetry and instrumentation installers. We talked, one director, another chief engineer, the company is engaged in installation, adjustment telemetry and instrumentation on gas pipelines and compressor stations, booster compressor stations. During the conversation, I realized that they were coming from the Balkans. I asked: "But what about South Stream, Bulgaria refuses, and the EU is constantly thrusting sticks in its wheels?" They say: "It's all nonsense, they yell at the audience like they were cut, but in fact everything is being built at a frantic pace, they just don't advertise it." The men are installing telemetry equipment, i.e. on the already constructed sections of the gas pipeline and compressor stations. So the South Stream will be both "vile and nezalezhna" can successfully shove its pipe into its anus and begin to intensively extract its own fart gas.
    1. Russiamoy
      Russiamoy 22 October 2014 21: 02
      +1
      It’s not so simple here. This is Gazprom in no hurry. But the reason is this. There is 3 energy package in which, after hindsight, our entire gas pipeline wants to make it free for free in order to use it and send us if there is gas from the Middle East. Our Gazprom filed a cold but whether there will be a result
      1. xan
        xan 24 October 2014 12: 02
        0
        Quote: Russiamoya
        There is 3 energy package in which, after hindsight, our entire gas pipeline wants to make it free for free so that if there is gas from the Middle East, use it and send us

        The EU is not like a man who decided to step on his own Faberge.
  37. VladimS
    VladimS 22 October 2014 14: 32
    +1
    do you drive 385 is an intermediate price, our base was 485! Only 2,65 (0.65 already transferred a month ago) to return debts, and not almost 5 billions, as required, in addition, we did not bargain for Novorossia, and it would be easier to carry out ATOs with gas and corresponding support from Poroshenko. wake up! Pctin won NOTHING! I'm not an alarmist, I just judge sensibly. Our policy did NOTHING what was said half a year ago


    Be careful and objective.
    A few months ago, Russia offered a $ 100 "benefit" that was "proudly" swept away by Ukraine. Like a small discount then.
    And now, with that proposal they joyfully agree and give out as their victory some kind!
    Europe confirms the validity of such a winter cost of Russian gas.
    So do not here la la.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 22 October 2014 16: 03
      +6
      Quote: VladimS
      Europe confirms the validity of such a winter cost of Russian gas.

      About the winter price, it’s only Kuevskaya Ukraine that Gazprom and the EU are silent about such an interpretation.
      They can call it winter or fall winter, and at least some, if only they would pay!
      1. sssss018
        sssss018 24 October 2014 00: 30
        0
        Only at the end is not Barack Obama, but Barack Obama.
  38. Password
    Password 22 October 2014 14: 41
    +1
    But are there too many conversations and negotiations with those who ruthlessly destroy cities and destroy the inhabitants of Donbass? They said that we would no longer give gas on credit, we set our conditions and BASTA! And let the EU and Kuev deal there. And then, it seems, all these conversations and concessions are regarded by the EU and the ukronatsiks as our weakness. Stop humiliating yourself! Throw beads in front of fat.
    1. Submarine B-41
      Submarine B-41 22 October 2014 14: 53
      +6
      Quote: Sandi
      They said that we would no longer give gas on credit, we set our conditions and BASTA!

      I totally agree with you!
      You need to do like this .....

  39. mamont5
    mamont5 22 October 2014 15: 03
    +1
    "It is worth figuring out whether this is a victory, and whether there is at least something in the agreements reached that remotely resembles victory."

    Already understood. What ukropolitiks say, ukropressa, Maidanut svidomity and what is actually - TWO BIG DIFFERENCES.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 22 October 2014 16: 06
      +6
      Quote: mamont5
      What ukropolitiki say

      What are these?
      I think you're wrong _
  40. Gypsy girl
    Gypsy girl 22 October 2014 16: 29
    +1
    Well, well, let's see this "winner" in winter laughing
    1. kvapu1976
      kvapu1976 24 October 2014 13: 23
      0
      Yes, and there’s nothing to watch, Miller showed and explained everything with one gesture to the parachute.
  41. SveTok
    SveTok 22 October 2014 16: 49
    +1
    The expected result, all but the hunterlogs predicted it and it turned out that way, it means and the rest will be ours.
  42. Black
    Black 22 October 2014 18: 16
    +1
    Pig gave Bill
    Not just once, but a lot !!!!
    How ache and pain
    His help !!!!!!

    wink
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 23 October 2014 21: 06
      0
      His help !!!!!!
      in the sense of the anus?
  43. Alexey Boukin
    Alexey Boukin 22 October 2014 19: 09
    +1
    The freebie is over. It's time to "turn on the head", including the European Union.
  44. deadj
    deadj 22 October 2014 19: 21
    +1
    When Poroshenko is patted on the shoulder, it’s not friendly - supportive pat, just wipe his hands :)
  45. Russiamoy
    Russiamoy 22 October 2014 20: 50
    -2
    Quote: Aleksander
    Quote: Moment
    All the freebie is over


    Of the debt of 5,3 billion, Russia will receive only 1,41 billion, and the remainder of 4 billion will never be received. Isn't that a freebie?

    Yes, yes again 25. The success of ukrofashistov face
  46. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 22 October 2014 21: 17
    +1
    Yes, well, funny. Trying to compare presidents does not make sense. GDP is the president and at this stage the leader of the country. Perhaps Poroshenko will practice politics on a countrywide scale for about 20 years and still will not be able to achieve what our sunflower seeds are.
  47. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 22 October 2014 21: 37
    +1
    Yes, do not give gas to the outskirts at all until all debts have been paid right away!
  48. Mih
    Mih 22 October 2014 21: 43
    +1
    The President of Ukraine emerged victorious from the negotiation process.
    At the same time, Poroshenko’s internal political position was weakened by a statement by US Secretary of State Kerry about certain agreements between Kiev and Moscow, which Ukraine is not aware of.

    What can I say - KoKly in his repertoire! fellow
  49. brdnxela
    brdnxela 22 October 2014 22: 24
    +1
    Quote: insafufa
    I’ll say it easier as our boring wino Borka 2

    Porosenko to B.N.E. how to cueva crustaceans!
  50. Beeram
    Beeram 22 October 2014 22: 38
    0
    We are waiting for prepayment) which will not and will not be gas)