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Ukraine is a chimera

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Namely, to its definition of a chimera:

“Chimera is a form of coexistence of two or several incompatible (having different complementarity) ethnic groups of different superethnic systems in the passionary theory of ethnogenesis, in which their originality disappears.”


In Ukraine in the twentieth century, two different ethnic groups clashed — the South Russian (Little Russian) member of the Russian superethnos and the Galician, which was already a chimera due to the long interaction of the Hutsul, Magyar, Austrian and Polish cultures (and corresponding ethnic groups).

From the thirteenth century, Galicia was cut off from the rest of the Russian lands, and gradually fell under the transforming influence of the invaders, assimilated. Ethnically, this was expressed in a mixture of different peoples inhabiting this territory, culturally - in the penetration and dominance of Polish and Magyar culture, in religion - in replacing Orthodoxy with Greek Catholicism and uniatism, in linguistic - in the strongest influence of other language groups on the formation of local dialect.

“Kedi Mi came the map of Narokovac, Becoming my own Doshikovac” is the “Ukrainian folk song” of that region, an excellent example of a cross between the Magyar and Polish words, among which only Ukrainian come across.

Ukraine is a chimera


As for the attempts of the inhabitants of Galicia to associate themselves with the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, it is worth remembering two simple facts. First, the Zaporozhian Cossack could be a person of any nationality, but necessarily and exclusively Orthodox (and the inhabitants of Galicia are predominantly Greek Catholics or Uniates). Secondly, the historical facts of the participation of residents of Galicia in the national liberation struggle of 1648-54 were not fixed. Even single.

It should be noted that for a long time Lviv remained the center of Russophilism and the bastion of Orthodoxy (in it for centuries there existed Russophile philosophical studios that resisted polishing). But the Lviv pogrom in the summer of 1941, almost annihilated the bearers of this ethno-sociocultural tradition.

And here are two of these alien, and about seven hundred years have not had a common stories communities were artificially and largely forcibly fused together in the middle of the last century. What could not fail to produce a chimera.




“The people who grew up in the contact zone do not belong to any of the contacting superethnos, each of which is distinguished by original ethnic traditions and mentality. In the chimera, however, a haphazard combination of incompatible behavioral traits prevails, in place of a single mentality comes complete chaos of tastes, attitudes and ideas prevailing in society. ”

This we can clearly see in Ukraine. For example, such a chimeric and absurd phenomenon as the Russian-speaking Ukrainian nationalist with the Russian surname, while honoring Bandera and hating Russia and Russians.

Or embroidery with jeans and scarf. Or “supporter of independence”, which is not against external management by the EU or the US (anyone, but not Russia!). Or a “patriot” in an “I love London” T-shirt waving an EU flag.

Or carriers of surzhik, on 70-80% consisting of Russian words, but at the same time advocating the prohibition or restriction of the rights of the Russian language. Or a completely Russian-speaking person who does not speak Ukrainian, but opposes the second Russian state.

Or a person who claims that millions of Donbass residents are “genetic slaves”, while “Asian hordes” live in Russia, but at the same time sincerely wondering why they call him a Nazi.



This also includes the neurotic perception of history. The carrier of the chimeric consciousness hates Prince Rurik for his Varangian origin, Prince Vladimir for the baptism of Russia, then it was bad under the Mongols and the Poles, and Khmelnitsky, a scoundrel, broke the European integrators, then it was "damned" 250 years under the Russian Empire, he hates the "scoop" fiercely, and at the same time claims that he loves the history of his country. So when was his perception good? In the fictional time of the theoretically possible, but not the past.

“In such a chimeric environment, antisystem ideologies flourish. Chimeras of the anti-system arising in the depths are, as a rule, the initiators of bloody conflicts, or the chimera is made a victim of neighboring ethnic groups. A chimera can exist in the body of a healthy ethnic group like a cancer tumor, exist at its expense and without performing any constructive work. At the same time, it can be relatively harmless (passive) or it becomes a breeding ground for aggressive antisystems. ”

What we see in Ukraine. After the last relapse in the forties of the last century, when dozens (if not hundreds) of thousands of people died from the Bandera ideology, for several decades this destructive ideology parasitized unnoticed on Soviet society, which had immunity against it (since too many people remembered that for nastiness actually).

And after Ukraine gained independence and a change in the direction of development, the Bandera ideology flourished with unbridled color, meeting no resistance from the official authorities and feeding on money from the oligarchs, which now results in thousands of civilian casualties.



What is the antisystema of modern Ukrainian "Svidomo" ideology? First, it is a secondary nature, the desire to blindly imitate the West and to fulfill any of its requirements and orders. Secondly, this is the absence of a sane and holistic positive program. The only thing that keeps her supporters together is a rabid, fierce, irrational hatred of Russia and the Russians. And beyond that is emptiness.

At the same time, both liberals and a significant part of nationalists perceive the state as an enemy. Liberals seek to make the state as weak as possible, serving the private interests of big business. And even those nationalists who want to see the state strong, motivate it only by the need for repression against the Russians and other "aliens." None of them have a scientific-production, project or social component (and even the fight against corruption in them results in the fight against the state). Moreover, in the ideology of the nationalists, there is often a ridiculous opposition of the state and “NaZii”, and “NaZii” is clearly preferred.

And the dominance of the abstract (according to Anderson, the nation is a fictional community) over the real and practical is always destructive.

Only within the framework of the chimera can such schizophrenic characters, such as Irina Fahrion, who can be dying and killing, not only appear, but also become successful, authoritative and significant.




Also, only within the framework of a chimeric anti-system, a cult of death similar to the Ukrainian one can arise, when national symbols make famines and victims, glorify defeats and failures (Mazepa, Petliura, Bandera - all obvious losers), senselessly lost “heroes Kruty” and “heavenly hundreds” are extolled. And to obvious achievements such as the participation of Ukraine in the victory over Nazism or the flight of man into space — negative perception is being formed by centralized propaganda. Well, the negative attitude towards Lenin - the person who essentially created the Ukrainian statehood and actively pursued a policy of Ukrainization - speaks for itself.

There is a good news: Chimeras don't last long. And this means that the torment of people caught in its field of influence will be short-lived. Chimeric ethnic groups usually disintegrate, after which they either die out or belong to more viable and creative ethnic groups.
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  1. herruvim
    herruvim 22 October 2014 14: 09 New
    +18
    Chimera (dr. Greek Χίμαιρα, lit. “young goat”) - in Greek mythology, a monster with the head and neck of a lion, the body of a goat, the tail in the form of a snake; In a figurative sense - an unreasonable, unrealizable idea.


    In, in a point, there is a chimera, only this applies more to Kiev and the west of Ukraine
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    2. APES
      APES 22 October 2014 14: 12 New
      +15
      after the events of 2 in May Ukraine is no more, and probably never was ...
  2. pavel_SPB
    pavel_SPB 22 October 2014 14: 10 New
    +11
    rather, this chimera would have died already !!! it will become easier for people immediately to live !!!
  3. RUSS
    RUSS 22 October 2014 14: 10 New
    +3
    First, a Cossack could be a person of any nationality, but necessarily and exclusively Orthodox (and the inhabitants of Galicia are mostly Greek Catholics or Uniates)

    The author is mistaken - Uniatism and Greek Catholics are one and the same.
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 22 October 2014 15: 42 New
      +2
      Uniatism - is it not Orthodoxy, but with the supremacy of the Pope?
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 October 2014 14: 11 New
    +1
    Only within the framework of the chimera can such schizophrenic characters, such as Irina Fahrion, who can be dying and killing, not only appear, but also become successful, authoritative and significant.

    Ukraine chimera it sounds. In U. Krolp politics, 99% of schizophrenic characters are now. One another is more beautiful. Soon they will "wet" each other.
    1. pavel_SPB
      pavel_SPB 22 October 2014 14: 11 New
      0
      quite possibly.
    2. DPZ
      DPZ 22 October 2014 14: 42 New
      +1
      they’ll start if they don’t die out before, otherwise you write something: There is good news: chimeras do not live long
  5. avt
    avt 22 October 2014 14: 11 New
    0
    All this had to be explained 23 years ago in all the media.
    1. pavel_SPB
      pavel_SPB 22 October 2014 14: 12 New
      0
      all this time they explained a little different there.
  6. Gray 43
    Gray 43 22 October 2014 14: 13 New
    +1
    Ukraine has always been part of Russia, and so close that its isolation in favor of the West will become suicide.
  7. s30461
    s30461 22 October 2014 14: 13 New
    +4
    If only the chimera did not enter the stage of cholera and infect the surrounding countries. And so ...
    Everyone understands that fascism will not endlessly exist on the Ruin if it is not artificially supported. And the source is not even in Galicia, but much more to the west. Somewhere around Capitol Hill. Until we disinfect the source of the disease with dust, fighting local Nazism and terrorism will not be effective.
  8. arch_kate3
    arch_kate3 22 October 2014 14: 21 New
    +2
    One consolation is that the chimera will die soon!
    1. Finches
      Finches 22 October 2014 14: 39 New
      0
      She can die only in one case, the decisive participation of Russia! And not only by economic and diplomatic methods ...
  9. Vades
    Vades 22 October 2014 14: 32 New
    +10
    Yes, they have only one anthem which is worth it. The national anthem should glorify the country and its people. And what is it about in the national anthem of Ukraine? We were crushed, crushed, but we still writhe in death cramps and still threaten someone there like a hedgehog with a bare ass. And, shy to ask, where did the Cossacks come from in the Western world? From the Zaporizhzhya Sich to the Carpathians - like cancer to Kiev. In general - the ravings of a madman. And how could such nonsense be chosen as the national anthem - the mind is incomprehensible.
    1. Sergey-8848
      Sergey-8848 22 October 2014 15: 30 New
      +3
      So after all, even Poland has not perished. Around there and the anthem.
  10. KBR109
    KBR109 22 October 2014 14: 34 New
    +2
    The cure for the disease is hunger and cryotherapy. A cure is inevitable.
  11. Siberian German
    Siberian German 22 October 2014 14: 34 New
    0
    a chimera - no it's the monsters that didn’t strangle on time - rudely, but the truth is, we gave this suture to breed and they became a huge cancerous tumor
  12. bubla5
    bubla5 22 October 2014 14: 47 New
    +2
    From the article, Ukrainians are clearly not a nation, but a rabble
  13. Alexan
    Alexan 22 October 2014 14: 53 New
    +1
    Maybe at first this confrontation between ethnic groups looked like this, but the “Galician” infection dug into the brains and souls of the whole country. The metastases of Ukrainians infiltrated the Donbass and drove many Russians out of our trenches as volunteers! Indifference and myopia or criminal mediocrity have missed a whole generation.
  14. Vasily
    Vasily 22 October 2014 14: 57 New
    -5
    Yes, what "chimera" - "cholera" ??? give people jobs, salaries, hope. In a word, everything that was in the USSR.
    In Lviv LiAZ produced. One of the first buses in the world with a hydromechanical gearbox.
    And everyone will forget that they are from Galicia or Zaporozhye. They will seek not differences between themselves, but similarities.
    1. Itson
      Itson 22 October 2014 15: 57 New
      +7
      LiAZs were produced and produced in the suburbs (in Likino). LAZs were produced in Lviv. And this was originally a redesigned version of the bus of the Likhachevsky ZIL-158 plant.
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 22 October 2014 22: 04 New
        0
        Quote: Itson
        LAZs were produced in Lvov. And it was originally a redesigned version of the bus of the Likhachevsky ZIL-158 plant.

        Is it nothing that the LAZ-695 appeared a year earlier than the ZIL-158?
        So, if the location of the engine in front (ZiL-158) and at the rear (LAZ-695) is called processing, well ...
    2. Tyumen
      Tyumen 22 October 2014 16: 14 New
      +7
      Quote: Vasily
      give people a job

      Ukram and ... work? !! But how dare you invite such a great and proud people to WORK (holy-holy-holy)? Drunk k.atsapi should work, and Russia should, yes no, just have to supply them enough gas so that they can sell it themselves and forgive all debts and pay to each Svidomo 10000000 ..... dollars for Crimea and centuries-old oppression.A you them (pah, even speak disgusting) -work! What work, when all day the slogans yelled and waved the flag, where did the strength come from? fellow
    3. Leonardo
      Leonardo 22 October 2014 22: 18 New
      0
      "... give ..." So let ukrochemerichane and ask their government banderlogov to give ... them. There are many similarities ... only the upbringing is different. But in vain.
  15. Ermak
    Ermak 22 October 2014 14: 58 New
    +1
    An excellent article, but the question is, what reason did Lenin have? Destroy everything to the ground and build a new one, and, therefore, divide the Russian ethnic group, making it impossible to resist? Or did he foresee the LPR and DPR along with Crimea?
    1. giperion121
      giperion121 22 October 2014 15: 32 New
      +2
      Judging by his texts, Lenin was an ideological fighter against "Great Russian chauvinism", here are the reasons for you. Therefore, Belarusians got their statehood. There is still such a conspiracy thesis that he was an agent of one of the foreign intelligence services and accordingly worked west.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 22 October 2014 16: 07 New
        -2
        Reichswehr Kaiser Germany
    2. Sergey-8848
      Sergey-8848 22 October 2014 21: 56 New
      +2
      Of course, I wonder what kind of reason Lenin had. Why, you poor fellow, add it here? You have already learned how to write on the Internet. Have you tried to read something, but not on the Internet, but what was asked at school? Well, be adequate, after all. Well, what does Lenin have to do with it? Why the hell is Lenin? Do not be like dragging into one urn all that they do not like.
      1. Ermak
        Ermak 23 October 2014 16: 53 New
        0
        Why, you poor fellow, add it here?


        "Well, the negative attitude towards Lenin - the man who essentially created Ukrainian statehood and actively pursued a policy of Ukrainization - speaks for itself."
        This is a quote from a commented article.

        Have you tried to read something, but not on the Internet, but what was asked at school?

        And sometimes I do it.

        Well, what does Lenin have to do with it? Why the hell is Lenin?

        “The slogan of a“ united and indivisible Russia ”, professed by the leaders of the white movement (see WHITE MOVEMENT), was opposed to the principle of the right of all nations to self-determination, which attracted leaders of national movements.
        http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/es/84206/ОБРАЗОВАНИЕ


        "National politics was also controversial in other republics. The 20s were a time of unprecedented flourishing of Ukrainian culture and language. The Ukrainian language became the state language on the territory of the republic, compulsory in all institutions and courts. In order to occupy government posts, representatives of other peoples should speak the Ukrainian language.A mandatory study of the language, history and literature of Ukraine was introduced in all schools.

        In Kyrgyzstan in the second half of the 20s. clashes occurred between the local and Russian populations. In many respects they were provoked by the one carried out in 1922–1923. land reform, which transferred land belonging to Russian immigrants to the Kyrgyz. But they, according to participants in the events, having no farming skills, "did not use it, they did not process it."
        http://www.ru-history.com/index.php?view=articles&articles_id=28

        And so on and so forth.

        Chronology of the emergence of the principle:
        October 25-26, 1917 the Bolsheviks came to power.
        On November 2, 1917, the Declaration of the Rights of the Peoples of Russia was published:
        equality of the peoples of Russia;
        their right to self-determination, up to the secession and formation of an independent state;
        abolition of national and religious privileges;
        free development of national minorities inhabiting the territory of Russia.


        You can find all this in textbooks. In fact, the national card was played.

        Do not be like dragging into one urn all that they do not like.


        I recognize the genius of Lenin.

        There are simply moments of politics of that time that have sprouted in our time:

        1. We all today well understand that the Russian way of life in the Russian Empire was built on Orthodoxy and that the destruction of the universally Orthodox culture is equal to Russian, and this is a centuries-old history.
        2. For so many centuries they have lived in the same state with different peoples together. And at one point, unity was broken, the creation of new entities.

        But everything would be fine, of course, if the USSR were alive today.
  16. Kacar0005
    Kacar0005 22 October 2014 15: 00 New
    -14
    and in Russia there are “Asian hordes”, but at the same time sincerely wondering why he is called a Nazi.
    Well, mentally, the population of Muscovy has always been mentally closer to Asia. What is Nazism? But to consider all “spoiled, unfinished, split, ...” Russians, denying the right of nationalities to self-determination - pure Nazism.
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 22 October 2014 15: 06 New
      +5
      Something you slowly join Lithuania there ...
      1. Kacar0005
        Kacar0005 22 October 2014 15: 38 New
        -8
        Bad that slowly. This is the rare case when I agree with you.
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    2. kostella85
      kostella85 22 October 2014 15: 10 New
      +4
      Self-determine as much as you want, only give money to the babosas and live within your means do not beg for work and a freebie in Russia, but everyone who is bored has money. Then in reality you will be independent.
      1. Kacar0005
        Kacar0005 22 October 2014 15: 35 New
        -6
        I do not beg for your work, but for free and even more so. One begs gas in exchange for independence in our country.
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 22 October 2014 15: 45 New
          0
          They’ll eat the families of men who work for us, that they will leave for the EU, and industry (the population will warm up with dung), what will it do without gas ???)))
          1. Kacar0005
            Kacar0005 22 October 2014 17: 42 New
            +2
            Our population, by the way, does not see the famous cheap gas. RB buys gas, if I am not mistaken, at 165, and the population pays for it, like Ukrainians who buy at 500. And stop scaring everyone with their gas. Russia also needs to sell its gas, as others buy it.
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        2. giperion121
          giperion121 22 October 2014 15: 55 New
          +2
          Listen, since you are here, tell us what you will do with your independence? And now, are you not independent? Do you want to join the EU and NATO or what? Will you forbid the Russian language or not?
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          2. Kacar0005
            Kacar0005 22 October 2014 17: 50 New
            -1
            Quote: giperion121
            And now, are you not independent?

            So far they are formally independent (any decisions are dictated by the interests of the Kremlin, even if served under the sauce of their own), but since 1996, a course has been taken to eliminate independence. Then the construction of the union state began, and the young and ambitious president of the Republic of Belarus hoped to replace Yeltsin, who was not brilliant in health, soon. But with this a bummer came out, and the course towards integration towards the east could no longer be stopped. And about what to do with independence, the question is strange. Where is it better to live: in a separate apartment or in a hostel?
            1. Sergey-8848
              Sergey-8848 22 October 2014 19: 02 New
              +2
              A citizen bears some kind of herobor, and many still enter into dialogue with him. We are very familiar with the population of Belarus, and you, Kacar0005somehow not associated with this population.
              And ask him such an independent one: Do you want Faith and Fathers to read? Do you want to live? Do you want to raise your children? Do you want to eat?
              Give him independence. Yes, take as much as you like, only pronounce the words - not from the people, but from yourself, wretched, with your sole opinion.
              1. Kacar0005
                Kacar0005 23 October 2014 10: 00 New
                -1
                Quote: Sergey-8848
                Do you want to eat?

                By your logic, without Rasei, are we all going to die from hunger and freeze? Do not be afraid, we will not be lost.
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    3. giperion121
      giperion121 22 October 2014 15: 46 New
      +4
      This is not Nazism, this is the fight against separatism. So are the Kuban Cossacks, and the Pomors, and Siberians, and even the Kh.Z. who, too, can suddenly declare themselves separate nations if they suddenly decide to sponsor them from Washington. Someone has already been sponsored.
      What Asians, if in historical Russia there was the same European culture, but among the elites, well, ordinary people were not related to politics. Read the story. Do you think Dostoevsky is also Asian?
      And what does it mean mentally closer to Asia? What are the criteria?
      1. IAlex
        IAlex 22 October 2014 17: 31 New
        0
        Maybe this is the struggle of the former pro-government loyalists against the current Kiev separatists and their collaborators?
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  18. IAlex
    IAlex 22 October 2014 15: 07 New
    +1
    Ukraine is just a clinical madhouse, with doctors charlatans from the USA and the EU ...
  19. opus
    opus 22 October 2014 15: 18 New
    +6
    Quote: Author
    Ukraine is a chimera

    Verse (admittedly not without talent) everyone knows:


    Help, who is gifted, draw up in accordance with the realities, otherwise in my variation it doesn’t pull:
    --------------------------------------------
    We will never be brothers
    Children you are winners, we are grandchildren of punitive
    You have no spirit to be mean -
    we will not even become consolidated with you.
    You have christened yourself "elders" -
    we would be younger, but not yours.

    You are good, and we are vile.
    You all work ... you all suffer
    We steal, then mock.
    Truth is an unfamiliar word to us,
    We have been bewitched since childhood by Pharion.
    At your place “silence is gold”,
    and we have people burning Molotov cocktails,
    yes, in our hearts, bleeding,
    what are you to us for the "relative" blind?
    And we all have crazy eyes
    we all jump like crazy.
    Grown up and become bold
    the backs of Golden Eagle are under our sights.
    Your grandfathers burned near Prokhorovka
    Our hanged and raped.
    The Poles put us on our knees -
    And we took it and put everything on Lyashko.
    And in vain rats hide, pray -
    how in Lviv they wash themselves with their blood.
    NATO sends us new directions -
    we burn inhabitants of Odessa without looking.
    You have Putin, we have Plutocracy.
    We will never be brothers.
    You are the Colorado, we are the grandchildren of traitors.
    We are


    well and so on
    ----------------------------------------
    And then I’m still a "verse" / I am a poet, I am called a flower .. from me to you all sad
  20. Rubmolot
    Rubmolot 22 October 2014 15: 43 New
    0
    "Ukraine" - mdaaaa, it was ...
  21. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 22 October 2014 15: 56 New
    +3
    Quote: bubla5
    From the article, Ukrainians are clearly not a nation, but a rabble


    Oh, how I want, being a piece of crap, at least something proud, well, at least a little involvement in the ass that brought you into the world! am
  22. Sevastopol
    Sevastopol 22 October 2014 16: 04 New
    +2
    I wrote about it a year ago here, or even more. then faced with the aggression of several users who consider themselves Ukrainians. where are they now, by the way?
    what nationality is outskirts? Transnistrian and Novoross is nationality? why Ukrainian then nationality, on what basis? because Lenin so wanted?

    in fact, Ukrainians now are distraught, betraying their homeland and degenerate Russians, filled with false information to the point of absurdity. I’ll go out. that's who they are. although they don’t even reach the level ...
  23. vdtomsk
    vdtomsk 22 October 2014 16: 10 New
    +5
    Yes, this so-called ukronation has been serfs for centuries:
  24. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 22 October 2014 16: 16 New
    +5
    Quote: Kacar0005
    Well, mentally, the population of Muscovy has always been mentally closer to Asia. What is Nazism? But to consider all “spoiled, unfinished, split, ...” Russians, denying the right of nationalities to self-determination - pure Nazism.

    Yeah, "nationalism with a European face," according to Euronews today, heard this new definition from a Bandera veteran who spoke. I've been living all my life in Asia, with the exception of my studies in Ukraine. Something there I did not feel much difference in mentality. And do not hide behind the "right of nations to self-determination." Crimea is now determined, Donbass is determined in battles. If a certain group of Ukraine’s territorial population, which considers itself to be exclusively an “European nation”, has determined itself somewhere, then we don’t have to drag everyone else with us, with threats, leaps, torches, and killings. Maybe many who are not on the way with you are really "mentally closer to Asia"? Respect the "right of nationalities to self-determination", incl. "Asian".
    1. Kacar0005
      Kacar0005 22 October 2014 17: 21 New
      -5
      Quote: surovts.valery
      Crimea is now determined, Donbass is determined in battles.

      Where did he determine himself when his green men flooded? However, the majority of the population there really wants to be Russian in order to have "Russian salaries and pensions." If they pay $ 5 more, they will agree to be indigenous Zimbabweans.
      1. surovts.valery
        surovts.valery 22 October 2014 17: 45 New
        +4
        Well, well, you tell people in Sevastopol, otherwise they don’t know. They will not beat hard, well, maybe they will ask for a ride, there are kind, good people.
      2. Rider
        Rider 22 October 2014 20: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Kacar0005
        If they pay $ 5 more, they will agree to be indigenous Zimbabweans.

        as I understand it, you are tearing in Europe not to receive a European salary, but for the "air of freedom"?

        so how can you blame Crimeans if they (in your words) were forced to enter Russia.
        and you voluntarily want to sell yourself to the west

        so who are you?
        What is the name of the one who is ready to sell for money?
        1. Kacar0005
          Kacar0005 23 October 2014 09: 56 New
          -2
          Quote: Rider
          so who are you? what is the name of the one who is ready to sell for money?

          What did you do: sell yes sell? No need to consider everyone to judge by themselves.
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 23 October 2014 15: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: Kacar0005
            Quote: Rider
            so who are you? what is the name of the one who is ready to sell for money?

            What did you do: sell yes sell? No need to consider everyone to judge by themselves.


            You contradict yourself. If you don’t consider yourself sold out, why should the residents of the DPR and LPR consider themselves to be such in relation to Russia - just because the next Bander broadcasting this time from Belarus said so (unfortunately)? I don’t understand the Banderlog logic - everything is possible for itself, but everyone else should creep and they are forbidden a different opinion. Do not put yourself above the people of Donbass and its militias, you (banderlogs) and nails do not stand those who fight for real freedom from the Nazi occupiers.
        2. Kacar0005
          Kacar0005 23 October 2014 09: 56 New
          -2
          Quote: Rider
          so who are you? what is the name of the one who is ready to sell for money?

          What did you do: sell yes sell? No need to consider everyone to judge by themselves.
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  25. Old Man Leader
    Old Man Leader 22 October 2014 16: 22 New
    0

    Watch and distribute to everyone ..
    Punishers from the battalion "Donbass" shoot civilians ..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFkSRK05u3w#t=16
    1. Makarych
      Makarych 22 October 2014 22: 23 New
      0
      I do not believe!!!!! No faces, no identification marks. I won’t be surprised if the same video goes under the name of a schuster Separatis of Donbass(Punishers from the Donbass battalion) shoot civilians .. (note changed only 2 words, emphasized by me). And try someone to refute. I consider the next stupid fake, "useful" to absolutely all interested parties. This get along can be removed from anywhere. Minimum costs
  26. 407391
    407391 22 October 2014 16: 46 New
    +2
    It is hard to disagree with the author. It is a pity one, some chimeras exist for quite a long time .....
  27. Drmadfisher
    Drmadfisher 22 October 2014 17: 06 New
    +2
    well what can you say lol
  28. Drmadfisher
    Drmadfisher 22 October 2014 17: 16 New
    +3
    not in the eyebrow - in the hole laughing
  29. Vasily Klopkov
    Vasily Klopkov 22 October 2014 17: 29 New
    +1
    Internationalism lesson by Igor Bezler
  30. sokolov
    sokolov 22 October 2014 18: 17 New
    +1
    hatred and aggression towards everything Russian was started to be planted by the Austro-Hungarians, the Poles and the pseudo-Ukrainian elites continued, and now, Phashington is harvesting in ruin ... just a dill is an annual plant
  31. Valkh
    Valkh 22 October 2014 18: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Tyumen
    Quote: Vasily
    give people a job

    Ukram and ... work? !! But how dare you invite such a great and proud people to WORK (holy-holy-holy)? Drunk k.atsapi should work, and Russia should, yes no, just have to supply them enough gas so that they can sell it themselves and forgive all debts and pay to each Svidomo 10000000 ..... dollars for Crimea and centuries-old oppression.A you them (pah, even speak disgusting) -work! What work, when all day the slogans yelled and waved the flag, where did the strength come from? fellow

    Totally agree with you!!! good
  32. LvKiller
    LvKiller 22 October 2014 20: 39 New
    +1
    Ukraine is a litmus test, the "Friend or Foe" system. Called ukropitekom (fu, what muck) - an open enemy. Finally, for the first time in many years, the enemy is seen with the naked eye. It remains only to free the native Russian lands from the enemy.
  33. Yasondinalt
    Yasondinalt 22 October 2014 21: 51 New
    +2
    There is good news: chimeras do not live long. And this means that the torment of people in her field of influence will be short-lived. Chimeric ethnic groups usually disintegrate, after which they either die out or enter into more viable and creative ethnic groups.

    Just what to do with cadaveric poison after the death of such a chimera that will poison everything around?
  34. Leonardo
    Leonardo 22 October 2014 22: 24 New
    +2
    I wonder at the sky, I’m guessing a little thought ....
    What have you done Ukrainians with you? Maybe it's time to come to my senses?
  35. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 22 October 2014 22: 41 New
    0
    Everyone knows that a chimera does not live long. So what was the matter?
  36. Non-war
    Non-war 22 October 2014 23: 01 New
    0
    Firstly, a Cossack could be a person of any nationality, but necessarily and exclusively Orthodox (and the inhabitants of Galicia are mostly Greek Catholics or Uniates). Secondly, the historical facts of the participation of the inhabitants of Galicia in the national liberation struggle of 1648-54 were not recorded. Even single ones. - BGG, laughed as much as twice. Firstly, Greek Catholics and Uniates, it is one and the same denomination, without any or. Secondly, the author - please study the question of the uprising of Semyon Vysochan 1948 in Eastern Galicia, how many rebels were there (I will tell you - up to 15) and what did this have to do with Khmelnitsky. This is so, for the sake of historical justice.
    1. Sergey-8848
      Sergey-8848 23 October 2014 03: 24 New
      0
      Well, absolutely for the sake of justice (the same, historical), gracious panov, then pay attention to the very first line of the quote you quoted. Although you will be of some kind of faith, you have nothing to do with the Orthodox! And that means - you don’t need to cling to the Cossacks, it’s not worth it.
  37. crambol
    crambol 22 October 2014 23: 07 New
    0
    There is good news: chimeras do not live long.


    They do not breed!
  38. Bora
    Bora 23 October 2014 04: 19 New
    +1
    What are you fighting for, Bandera?