Military Review

Red revenge in the New Russia

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Recently, in Novorossia, two important bad points have become quite obvious.

The first is a wave about the “discharge” of Novorossia, which has been going on for a long time, at least several months. If you remember, it all started with the Strelkov alarms, which were picked up by gentlemen like Dugin, positioning themselves as patriots, whose mouthpiece is the notorious El Murid. And these gentlemen are trying to hang the "drain" of New Russia on GDP.

For this group, IIS (Igor Ivanovich Strelkov) became willingly or unwittingly a ram. Which they intend to ram the GDP. At the same time, the IIS itself categorically positions itself outside politics and, as is appropriate for a soldier, is in support of the commander in chief - that is, GDP. Then an interesting strategy was adopted: if IIS refuses to oppose GDP, then it is necessary to oppose "Surkov." And who keeps Surkov in power? Right, GDP. So the strikes on Surkov are indirect strikes on GDP. Even if he does not “merge Novorossia” directly, he cannot cope with the marmots, who are merging Novorossia, and should, apparently, according to these gentlemen, leave.

On the same side there is a reel on the Kremlin-supplied head of the DPR Zakharchenko. In this regard, I was finished off by the last trick of El Murid. When, commenting on the reaction of the authorities of the DPR, namely the Deputy Prime Minister of the DPR, A. Purgin, to the Ukrainian law regarding the special status of Donbass in the “all gone” style, he colorfully painted that the DPR leadership recognized itself as subjects of Ukraine, “merged Novorossia”, because This law is welcome. But he modestly kept silent about the fact that according to the same statement Purgin, "this law does not cancel the desire of the residents of the DPR for independence." Well, it’s probably not worth paying attention to such trifles. But now everything fell into place. If Nesmiyan’s neighborhood at a press conference with IIS somehow made him doubt my former opinion of him, then the latest trick confirmed the “misguided Cossack”, which has been known since Gadhafi’s times.

By the way, I draw attention to the fact that the IIS itself has been silent recently. Perhaps, the person understood, in what fornicator “well-wishers” try to write him? The more terrible are the rumors about his “arrest” or murder. After all, the slaughtered "bloody gebney" of IIS will turn from a failed ram into a banner, and on behalf of his martyr's crown all kinds of Nesmiyan may well speak. Who will call patriots in Moscow Maidan.

The second moment, less dangerous, but very unpleasant. Many, I think, had expectations that Novorossia would become a place for the rebirth of the Russian people and a just social state without oligarchs. Mind, it was clear that the oligarchs can not build a just society. But the heart so wanted it. However, the miracle did not happen.

The Great New Russia with Kharkov, Odessa and Zaporozhye was sacrificed by the leadership of Russia to lower the passions, to stop the escalation of the conflict. In the end, for the rejection of the maximum success in Ukraine, the stability of the economic and political situation in Russia was bought. The stability of our life with you. So to say, a “peaceful divorce” with the West is being made, time is won to reorient the economy from west to east. Whether this concession will help or not, or the West will aggravate the confrontation itself and bring the “divorce case” to the scandal with the smashing of dishes, we will “see” soon. But this is not the main thing, in the end, if the West does not fulfill its obligations under the Minsk agreements, everything is reversible, and Russia will be able to take not only the areas of New Russia I have indicated, but even most of Ukraine, at any time.

Worse, oligarchs have come to power in Novorossia. The same Zakharchenko, as correctly indicated, is, apparently, really a protege of Surkov, who is entrusted in the Kremlin to "settle" the situation with the "peaceful" version of its development. In the suit falls and hit on Strelkov from Kurginyan. Surkov did not spare his offspring, sacrificed the political weight of the essence of time, made Kurginyan Kenguryan - just to take power in the DPR. In the LC, everything was simpler, the Kremlin’s people initially rushed there, without any shooter's creativity. But the DNI had to "clean up", which was caught by the pseudo-patriots of the IIS. And now we see the classic oligarchic war in the Donbass with massive mud-watering of opponents, custom-made or pseudo-attacks, squabbling among militia commanders. We, ordinary people, are no longer able to make out in this mess, Brainstorm is right in striving to continue the war in winter, or is not right who Gubarev is a thief or ideologue of Novorossia, merge Novorossia or not merge, and if they merge, who merges it. As a result, all parties to the conflict lose the support of the people, and then, when everyone is tired of following the flood of lies, you can calmly “clean out” all the unwanted in the peace of the world.

With these two points in mind, we can say that the New Russia is to be, the pseudo-patriots will not wait for a “plum”. Because in the Kremlin they understand: “merging” Novorossia, they will “merge” themselves. And with the existence of Novorossia, Maidan in Moscow is impossible. So there everything is under control and was under control all the time. You can also say that at least a social-oligarchic economic model is being established in Novorossia, as in Russia, and maybe even without a social component: will the oligarchs want to spend money on Novorossia? No, of course, they also need a profit now. And in the conditions of let it be extinguished, but the conflict with the West, and the Kremlin will not have enough budget money to help the New Russia. In Novorossia, a monarchical-Orthodox project was discredited, the banner of which was "raiderly seized" by representatives of the "patriotic" fifth column. Given that the oligarchic-capitalist project has compromised itself in 90, Russia and Novorossia are left without ideology.

And here comes a small “window of opportunity” for “red revenge.” In this situation, the left forces can offer Russia and Novorossia their alternative. But not from the Communist Party, which has long been laid down by the oligarchs. They need real communists, who must be tough, in the style of October 1917, to take power and put the leadership of Russia before the fact of Red New Russia. In the same way as Russia put all before the fact of the return of the Crimea. The leadership in the Kremlin will be forced to put up with the redness of Novorossia, because the alternative will be the notorious “plums”, which they cannot afford. On the Internet, I came across an interview with a communist militia that said that there were communist militias. If this is true, comrades, it's time to act! As the great Lenin said, the delay of death is like!
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  1. Roman1970
    Roman1970 15 October 2014 09: 29
    +1
    No, here it’s definitely not necessary to return to communism!
    1. DRA-88
      DRA-88 15 October 2014 09: 32
      +15
      14.10.14/XNUMX/XNUMX Statement by Alexey Mozgovoy

      "THIS IS THE WORLD WAS NEEDED FOR ?!
      AND AFTER THIS, WE WILL BE TELLING TALES ABOUT THE CEREBIA ??? ELECTIONS ARE REQUIRED BY THEM! I OFFER THE CENTRAL ELECTION COMMISSION TO BE LOCATED IN Vergulevka! A MINISTERIAL OFFICE TO MOVE TO THE COMMISSIONER !!! THINK PEOPLE AND WAKE UP AT THE END OF AN END!
      1. 222222
        222222 15 October 2014 10: 17
        +1
        Interview with Alexei Mozgovoy 14-10-14 [
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF8OHdddPdk
        1. nvv
          nvv 15 October 2014 11: 35
          +2
          Interview with Alexei Mozgovoy 14-10-14 [ hi
      2. bda
        bda 15 October 2014 20: 03
        +5
        Quote: DRA-88
        A MINISTERIAL OFFICE TO MOVE TO THE COMMISSIONER !!!

        Is this the office in the White House on Krasnopresnenskaya Embankment? - I'm afraid that the "cabinetmakers" in Komissarovka won't really want to. They are more and more in various forums, where girls in short skirts run between tables - they serve snacks - in such an environment it is more convenient to talk about all sorts of different state affairs, for example:
        - about the need to overcome the gas crisis as soon as possible in relations with Ukro-Banderia (naturally, all sorts of compromises are offered - we commit ourselves to supply them with gas all winter, and they - that throughout the winter they will not require territorial concessions in Kamchatka from us), or
        - about compensations (at our expense) to oligarchs who suffered from sanctions, or
        - about the possible curtailment of the maternity capital program (otherwise, even then, people will start giving birth - then give them kindergartens, then schools - where it is more profitable to overtake Uzbeks and Kyrgyz and let the pipelines built by their fathers and grandfathers "to the west" with oil yes filled with gas).
        1. DRA-88
          DRA-88 15 October 2014 20: 09
          0
          Quote: bda
          yes about compensation (at our expense) to the oligarchs who suffered from sanctions.

          I agree with you and our response to the oligarchic-bourgeois authorities should be like this:
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 15 October 2014 09: 37
      -5
      Quote: Roman1970
      No, here it’s definitely not necessary to return to communism!


      There is nothing to return to, communism was never built in the Union, since it is utopian, and the author is just a "red" romantic.
      1. Roman1970
        Roman1970 15 October 2014 09: 41
        -13
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: Roman1970
        No, here it’s definitely not necessary to return to communism!


        There is nothing to return to, communism was never built in the Union, since it is utopian, and the author is just a "red" romantic.

        I meant "not to return to communism" as to the desired model for the development of society. And yes, you're right, communism is a utopia.
        1. nvv
          nvv 15 October 2014 09: 56
          +29
          Quote: Roman1970
          And yes, you are right, communism is a utopia.

          The older generation. Tell me a fairer system than the USSR.
          1. RU-Officer
            RU-Officer 15 October 2014 10: 20
            +23
            Oh, I sense they will tear us apart, dear "nvv", but I am with you. +++++ yes
            As for socialism-communism - here, as Zhvanetsky says - "maybe we can fix something in the conservatory?" hi
            I also like Zadornov: "The rich is the one who believes in God, and the one who has a lot of money is a collector." good
            1. nvv
              nvv 15 October 2014 10: 40
              +8
              Quote: RU-Officer
              Oh, I sense they will tear us apart, dear "nvv", but I am with you. +++++

              And where didn’t we disappear? angry
              1. AleksUkr
                AleksUkr 17 October 2014 17: 47
                +1
                Quote: nvv
                And where didn’t we disappear?


                Enemies will not wait ... It’s time for all hangers-on to understand that the majority are against imposed shit democracy and so-called freedom ....
          2. bda
            bda 15 October 2014 13: 32
            +11
            Tell me a fairer system than the USSR.

            The USSR is different:
            - NEP-ovskie 20 years - this is one;
            - Industrialization and the Great Patriotic War of the 30s and 40s are different;
            - a maize-pidriligent thaw with great space breakthroughs and lowering shelves in stores - the third;
            - corruption-hypocritical and at the same time calmly well-fed stagnation - the fourth;
            - Perestroyka, which is siphoning and sovo, and someone else's shit, turns into a shootout - the fifth.
            Which one do you want?
            1. Kaetani
              Kaetani 15 October 2014 15: 23
              +3
              Each of this era has its minuses and pluses.
              a balanced structure is possible - but not an ossified party system, but rather the image of the state according to the ideas of "Efremov"
            2. Babr
              Babr 15 October 2014 16: 08
              +3
              Quote: bda
              The USSR is different:
              - NEP-ovskie 20 years - this is one;

              This does not apply to the USSR.
              Quote: bda
              - Industrialization and the Great Patriotic War of the 30s and 40s are different;
              This is the peak of developed Socialism, the fruits of which we still use. The rest is a preamble to our reality.
            3. hoard
              hoard 15 October 2014 16: 57
              -1
              Quote: bda
              The USSR is different:

              Somehow you have not listed everything. In my opinion, the end of the 60s and the first half of the 70s deserves attention - just between "corn" and "bigotry" - it was during this period that socialism was really developed.
              1. bda
                bda 15 October 2014 19: 54
                +2
                In my opinion, the end of the 60s and the first half of the 70s deserves attention - just between "corn" and "bigotry" - it was during this period that socialism was really developed.

                Naturally, in each era (Stalin's, Khrushchev's, Brezhnev's, etc.), you can always cut into "sub-epochs" - the fact that "in fact" the USSR was even more different than in the proposed simplified formula - this is a fact, as they say : "Don't go to the fortuneteller."
                The end of the 60s - the beginning of the 70s is, one might say, the peak of our power, when one shout from Moscow was enough to end wars on the other end of the globe, but ... in my humble opinion, this is not something that should be carefully considered ( not achievements), but how it all turned into a disaster of decay. In the same China, a whole institute of several hundred scientific workers has been working for several years now, studying the problem of the collapse of the USSR, and we all pretend that everything that happened to our country is "all for the better."
                Though opinions about the "peak of power" are also different: a few lines above another respected respondent (Babr) claims (and not without reason) that everything began to slide down immediately after J.V. Stalin.
                We’ll dig deeper into history and come to the conclusion that if the Holy Equal-to-the-Apostles Prince Vladimir is to blame for everything (that, they say, baptized Russia in the wrong faith, as some boobies grunt now), then Batu Khan for sure!
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            5. soviet skytourist
              soviet skytourist 15 October 2014 18: 00
              +1
              komentirovat ne budu, dlja menja SSSR pozitiv no byli serjoznye nedorabotki
            6. AleksUkr
              AleksUkr 17 October 2014 17: 49
              0
              "" "" "and emptying the shelves in the stores" "" ""
              At one time, Gaidar admitted that empty shelves are the work of little hands such as him and others like them ... [quote = бда] [quote] Tell me a more just system than the USSR. [/ Quote]
          3. soviet skytourist
            soviet skytourist 15 October 2014 18: 15
            +3
            I don’t know, I recall a positive alliance, but there were serious mistakes, it’s silly to explain the USSR’s fall with some Amer’s attacks.
        2. Kazakh families
          Kazakh families 15 October 2014 11: 55
          +9
          It’s not us utopians, but you are a drowned man who drowned you like real life ... You don’t see simple things.
        3. WKS
          WKS 15 October 2014 12: 48
          +3
          Quote: Roman1970
          I meant "not to return to communism" as to the desired model for the development of society. And yes, you're right, communism is a utopia.

          However, this utopia is being successfully implemented in some northern European countries. Classical Marxist socialism with its principle "to each according to his work from each according to his ability" is already a reality.
        4. Buran
          Buran 15 October 2014 13: 17
          +3
          But in more detail, what is utopia?
        5. basmach
          basmach 15 October 2014 19: 42
          +3
          In general, communism is the ideal of building a society. Like any ideal, it’s unattainable, but the pursuit of ideals (not only communism, but in the general concept) creates Man, and the absence of ideals and aspirations for them is amoeba.
        6. basmach
          basmach 15 October 2014 19: 42
          0
          In general, communism is the ideal of building a society. Like any ideal, it’s unattainable, but the pursuit of ideals (not only communism, but in the general concept) creates Man, and the absence of ideals and aspirations for them is amoeba.
        7. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 17 October 2014 17: 44
          0
          Quote: Roman1970
          And yes, you are right, communism is a utopia.

          You’re not quite right, my friend. You will not find a more utopian system than your democracy, and even imposed on the United States. Dumb, dad, DARK! Good luck ....
      2. Homo
        Homo 15 October 2014 09: 56
        +5
        Quote: RUSS
        There is nothing to return to, communism was never built in the Union, since it is utopian, and the author is just a "red" romantic.

        What do you mean by communism? And why is he utopian?
        1. 222222
          222222 15 October 2014 12: 54
          +5
          About communism ...
          1. the idea itself, the theory is what is bad .. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"
          2 And practice ... how the leaders of the state and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union put this theory into practice ... and then a logical question arises: "Were they communists or dressed their petty-bourgeois insides for a red party card ???"
          1. nvv
            nvv 15 October 2014 13: 32
            +4
            For me, a real communist was a communist, from the movie "Communist". I lived my life, but I never met this one. But in life I tried to be similar.
            Quote: 222222
            rowed their petty-bourgeois gut behind a red party card ???
            1. Buran
              Buran 15 October 2014 13: 54
              +3
              Hi hi

              The best movie about a man! I immediately recall my grandfather.
              1. nvv
                nvv 15 October 2014 16: 21
                +2
                Quote: Buran
                Hi hi

                The best movie about a man! I immediately recall my grandfather.
                Hi Dmitry. But this film helped me pass through life as a person. Not by mucus.
                1. Buran
                  Buran 15 October 2014 16: 52
                  +1
                  As a child in Tashkent, the coach gave me a book, "Jackson stays in Russia." I still carry it everywhere with me. Also helped when covered with mold.
                2. DRA-88
                  DRA-88 15 October 2014 19: 08
                  +4
                  There is also "The Story of a Real Man" and its adaptation!
          2. gunya
            gunya 15 October 2014 13: 49
            +1
            So there was no practice!
            And in order to achieve "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", you need to completely pass the phase "From each according to his ability, to each according to his work" and raise consciousness each at least an order of magnitude.
            So plow - do not plow!
            1. 222222
              222222 15 October 2014 15: 20
              +3
              gunya SU Today, 13:49 ↑ and raise everyone’s consciousness by at least an order of magnitude.
              So plow - do not plow! 2
              ... but didn’t they plow: Tselina, BAM, the closure of Siberian rivers .. But didn’t you plow 25 hours a day in military intelligence (judging by the photo) ???
              The rot of the system came from above .. from the authorities .. (Read "the tale of the fisherman and the fish") ... I wanted to be hereditary ..
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      3. nvv
        nvv 15 October 2014 10: 06
        +3
        Quote: RUSS
        and the author is just a "red" romantic.

        And on the romantics the earth holds on.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 15 October 2014 10: 13
          0
          Quote: nvv
          Quote: RUSS
          and the author is just a "red" romantic.

          And on the romantics the earth holds on.



          Earth rests on realists.
          1. nvv
            nvv 15 October 2014 10: 48
            +4
            tongue
            Quote: RUSS
            Earth rests on realists.

            Realists are boring, old people. I feel sorry for them. I do not want to grow old
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 15 October 2014 11: 19
              +3
              Quote: nvv
              Don't want to get old

              Well then, don't want it. But have to. Anyway. Life on the contrary, from old age to youth, no one has yet come up with. fellow
              1. nvv
                nvv 15 October 2014 11: 44
                +7
                Quote: Hedgehog
                Well then, don't want it. But have to. Anyway. Life on the contrary, from old age to youth, no one has yet come up with.

                I wanted to say, I’ll die, I will kick my foot. laughing
              2. Oldwiser
                Oldwiser 15 October 2014 15: 11
                -1
                Strugatsky "Monday starts on Saturday" read. And watch the movie with Brad Pitt.
              3. DRA-88
                DRA-88 15 October 2014 20: 15
                +3
                Quote: Hedgehog
                Life on the contrary, from old age to youth, no one has yet come up with.

                I know such a person, he works as president in a famous country laughing
            2. Oldwiser
              Oldwiser 15 October 2014 15: 10
              +1
              "I will not part with the Komsomol - I will be ALWAYS young" <Duncan Mac'Leod>
          2. Buran
            Buran 15 October 2014 13: 21
            +7
            Romantics build BAM, raise Tselina, fly into space, and realists drink beer and argue with the TV.
            1. Oldwiser
              Oldwiser 15 October 2014 15: 12
              +3
              especially liked
              Quote: Buran
              arguing with tv
            2. RUSS
              RUSS 15 October 2014 15: 42
              0
              Quote: Buran
              Romantics build BAM, raise Tselina, fly into space, and realists drink beer and argue with the TV.


              BAM completed only relatively recently, the last tunnel was introduced in 2003, and about virgin soil:
              - "The virgin lands began to be developed prematurely. Of course, it was absurd. It was a gamble at this size. From the very beginning I was a supporter of the development of virgin lands on a limited scale, and not in such huge ones that we were forced to invest huge funds, incur colossal costs instead of in order to raise what is already ready in the populated areas. But there is no other way. Now you have a million rubles, no more, so give them to virgin lands or already in habitable areas where there are opportunities? I suggested investing this money in our Non-Black Earth Region, and We scattered the means - and this a little, and so, but the bread is nowhere to be stored, it rots, there are no roads, it cannot be taken out. But Khrushchev found an idea and rushes like a savras without a bridle! This idea does not solve anything definitely, maybe help, but to a limited extent. Manage to calculate, estimate, advise what people will say. No - come on, come on! He began to swing, almost forty or forty-five million hectares of virgin soil bit off, but this is unbearable, ridiculous and it is not necessary, and if it were fifteen or seventeen, it would probably be more useful. More confusing. "
              1. Buran
                Buran 15 October 2014 16: 32
                +1
                You tell this to the bam and virgin lands, and I'll stand on the sidelines. And why was Gagarin launched into orbit anyway? They scoffed at the man, made him "Belka and Strelka". These scoops so wanted to tie Yakutia and the Far East to themselves, so they muddied the BAM. And in general, what is it that Putin remembered behind BAM again? Probably wants to launder money. Of course they say that there is some kind of subsoil. But they are lying, as if they are lying! And this virgin land, who tries it ... needs it? We have built settlements, populated territories. The bread was grown. , all the same, the Kazakhs got everything.

                I told you about romantics, but you are talking about Khrushchevsky de.be.li.zme talk. Judging by yours, let's be landscaping Moscow, and everyone else will go there to see.
                1. DRA-88
                  DRA-88 15 October 2014 20: 32
                  +2
                  Quote: Buran
                  Judging by yours, let's be landscaping Moscow, and everyone else will go there to see.

                  And there the "local" from the broken-down six: "Show the way ?!" wassat
                2. RUSS
                  RUSS 16 October 2014 17: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Buran
                  I told you about romance


                  Your romance of the northern river wanted to turn ... fool
                  1. Buran
                    Buran 17 October 2014 11: 47
                    0
                    Recently, your realist democrats turned out to be not opposed. They say a good idea. laughing
                    And some, generally from the Vladivostok gathered to arrange the tropics. fellow
      4. varov14
        varov14 15 October 2014 10: 09
        +7
        If communism is a "red idea" let us dwell on "pink" - socialism, where from each according to his ability, to each according to his work - beautifully, fairly, does not infringe upon anyone, gives everyone a chance.
        1. Userpic
          Userpic 15 October 2014 13: 13
          +6
          Quote: varov14
          beautiful, fair, does not infringe on anyone, gives everyone a chance.

          How does it not infringe if it completely deprives the unprincipled egoists of their “sacred right” to appropriate all the profits and most of the fruits of labor that hired labor creates? crying
          1. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 15 October 2014 15: 19
            +1
            Ooh, bespectacled private owner in green, gray, white "Zhiguli"
        2. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 15 October 2014 15: 18
          +3
          There are only two small inconsistencies:
          (1) How to make (or stimulate) the average "everyone" to work "according to their ability"? So that they do not cheat, do not pipe and hide behind other people's backs?
          (2) For everyone, according to work, it also fails (pensioners, disabled people, orphans and other social dependents), another point - how correct is the assessment of the labor contribution of the same average "everyone"?
          How to compare the labor of a worker, a farmer and a state official?
          1. nvv
            nvv 15 October 2014 15: 43
            0
            Quote: OldWiser
            How to get (or stimulate) the average "everyone" to work "according to their ability"

            The simplest answer. Watch the film "Communist" AND BE EQUAL TO HIM ALL YOUR LIFE. tongue
            1. Silumin
              Silumin 15 October 2014 15: 45
              0
              The simplest answer. Watch the film "Communist" AND BE EQUAL TO HIM ALL YOUR LIFE.

              Utopia.
          2. Userpic
            Userpic 15 October 2014 16: 23
            -2
            Quote: OldWiser
            How to get (or stimulate) the average "everyone" to work "according to their ability"? So that they do not cheat, do not pipe and hide behind others' backs?
            Just as now - by stimulating in a materially repressive way, and in the long term, educating in people the corresponding values ​​that do not share the concepts of "for oneself" and "for all", fostering in people a relationship to others as to members of their family.

            (2) It also does not work for everyone according to their work (pensioners, disabled people, orphans and other social dependents)
            I am referring to capable citizens, and not all in a row - at first your parents take care of you, then you take care of your parents, and together they take care of those who are just unlucky to be born full and competent.

            another point - how correct is the assessment of the labor contribution of the same average "everyone"?
            Such an assessment is carried out experimentally - the average statistical norm is revealed, from which they then "dance".

            How to compare the labor of a worker, a farmer and a state official?
            We make an assumption about the equivalence of average statistical norms by types of activity, and then we impose the calculated nomenclatures of labor costs by types of activity on each other.

            And of course -
            Quote: nvv
            Watch the film "Communist" AND LIVE WITH HIM ALL LIFE
            - where without this)))
            1. Silumin
              Silumin 15 October 2014 16: 41
              0
              Just as now - by stimulating in a materially repressive way, and in the long term, educating in people the corresponding values ​​that do not share the concepts of "for oneself" and "for all", fostering in people a relationship to others as to members of their family.


              Only one thing, but: a person is a selfish creature in its beginning, and how you do not bring up your shirt anyway closer to your body, and a person will itch only in the first place about himself and his family.

              I am referring to capable citizens, and not all in a row - at first your parents take care of you, then you take care of your parents, and together they take care of those who are just unlucky to be born full and competent.


              And now this is not? Do orphans, old people, dependents, people with disabilities not be kept on our taxes?

              Such an assessment is carried out experimentally - the average statistical norm is revealed, from which they then "dance".


              That's what I said, all people under one comb.

              We make an assumption about the equivalence of average statistical norms by types of activity, and then we impose the calculated nomenclatures of labor costs by types of activity on each other.


              And what will the average norm of labor equivalence be based on?
              1. Userpic
                Userpic 15 October 2014 17: 26
                +2
                Quote: Silumin
                human being selfish in its beginning
                Controversial.

                and how do you not bring up your shirt anyway closer to the body
                700 years ago, the murder of those who did not share your views was the norm, and now, for most of humanity, this is a crime.

                a person will itch only in the first place about himself and his family
                First of all, notice, and not "only": all the salt is in the erasure of the borderline between one family and another, between one person and another.

                And now this is not?
                No: the social network is regularly cut, and the taxes on which these categories of citizens are kept are much less than the profit on which they could be kept.

                That's what I said, all people under one comb
                Where is the "comb"? The fact that someone is not allowed to take from you and spend on yourself what you have earned, and not he? )))

                And what will the average norm of labor equivalence be based on?
                On the assumption that the average employee, with the proper performance of his duties, spends on their performance approximately the same number of forces over a period of time.
                1. Silumin
                  Silumin 15 October 2014 17: 45
                  0
                  700 years ago, the murder of those who did not share your views was the norm, and now, for most of humanity, this is a crime.


                  No, it's not. Roughly speaking, war or military conflict is a murder due to a difference of views, or as an example, a civil war in Ukraine.

                  First of all, notice, and not "only": all the salt is in the erasure of the borderline between one family and another, between one person and another.


                  This is impossible, as you don’t educate a person, don’t erase the boundaries, he will still remain an egoist: he will love his children more than strangers, his mother-father more than his neighbor's family.

                  And if the boundaries between one family and another are blurred, then all the same, should women and men be common or not?

                  No: the social network is regularly cut, and the taxes on which these categories of citizens are kept are much less than the profit on which they could be kept.


                  Tell me, what good is it for me, an honest worker, to work for myself and for that uncle?

                  Where is the "comb"? The fact that someone is not allowed to take from you and spend on yourself what you have earned, and not he? )))


                  Well, and who took what from me? Oh yes, the state is 13% of the salary.

                  On the assumption that the average employee, with the proper performance of his duties, spends on their performance approximately the same number of forces over a period of time.


                  But isn’t it right now at the enterprises? How much you have gained in time, so much you will get salaries.
                  1. Userpic
                    Userpic 15 October 2014 19: 38
                    +2
                    Quote: Silumin
                    Roughly speaking, war
                    And killing an opponent because of a difference of views is not the same thing, ideological justification continues to be given to the war, but not to killing.

                    It’s impossible, as you don’t educate a person, don’t erase your faces, he will still remain an egoist: he will love his children more than strangers, his mom-dad more than his neighbor’s family
                    And? laughing
                    Why do you repeat it like a mantra?
                    In a family, attachments also vary, but the family does not stop being a family. The same situation should be sought in society, especially since relations in the canvas of communism (similar to relatives) are objectively preferable to relations in the canvas of capitalism (similar to competition between organized crime groups).

                    And if the boundaries between one family and another are blurred, then all the same, should women and men be common or not?
                    Unpleasant topic? laughing
                    Calm down - you shouldn't: we are talking about a positive attitude towards others, about an attitude towards strangers, as towards your relatives according to the principle “all people are brothers, everyone should help each other and work for the common good, and nothing else.

                    No: the social network is regularly cut, and the taxes on which these categories of citizens are kept are much less than the profit on which they could be kept.


                    Tell me, what good is it for me, an honest worker, to work for myself and for that uncle?
                    The same as in the maintenance of their own children, but at a wider level - mutual assistance.

                    Well, and who took what from me? Oh yes, the state is 13% of the salary
                    They did not take away 13% from you (you exchanged them for poor protection and medical care), but most likely you were underpaid at least 50%.

                    But isn’t it right now at the enterprises? How much you have gained in time, so much you will get salaries.
                    Not so: now you have a compulsory "contractual" salary, which is only a part of what you earn.
      5. aleks 62
        aleks 62 15 October 2014 10: 09
        +1
        ..... In its pure form, nothing exists in nature ..... Not capitalism, not communism ..... I will not send you far, but I will send you to ...... China !!!! Taken as a basis and tailored to the "local specifics" ..... The result is obvious .... And I suppose that it is not the end result yet ... hi
      6. goose
        goose 15 October 2014 11: 22
        +2
        It was not built, you can read about the programs of the latest congresses about this. If the memory serves me right, they left the building of communism in the early 20s. First, we set the goal of building a closer and more real socialism. They built in separate places, but the same Swedes and Danes jumped us in this.
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      8. Gorinich
        Gorinich 15 October 2014 14: 33
        +1
        He is not a romantic, he is a provocateur.
        1. nvv
          nvv 15 October 2014 15: 46
          +1
          Quote: Gorinich
          He is not a romantic, he is a provocateur.
          Realist said lol
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 15 October 2014 09: 46
      +23
      Quote: Roman1970
      No, here it’s definitely not necessary to return to communism

      Do you know what Communism is? For starters, you return at least socialism, only REAL! STALINSKI!
      1. Oleg Sobol
        Oleg Sobol 15 October 2014 09: 59
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Do you know what Communism is? For starters, you return at least socialism, only REAL! STALINSKI!

        True words, Elena! In capital letters, but in a prominent place.
        hi
        1. nvv
          nvv 15 October 2014 10: 08
          +3
          Quote: Oleg Sobol
          In capital letters, yes to a prominent place

          Join
        2. Rock2
          Rock2 17 October 2014 09: 51
          0
          In capital letters, but in a prominent place.

          I join too.
      2. alicante11
        15 October 2014 10: 10
        +1
        Do you know what Communism is? For starters, you return at least socialism, only REAL! STALINSKI!


        About him and speech, dear Elena, it seems :)?
      3. Cynic
        Cynic 15 October 2014 10: 54
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        You first return at least socialism
      4. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 15 October 2014 11: 12
        +6
        Return socialism? yes, if even one leader had risen today and proclaimed a return to socialism (only without parties), I would have followed him, and even if I had to take up arms for this. Although it seems to me there will be so few opponents that you can figure them out even without weapons
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 15 October 2014 14: 18
          +3
          And I will go against anyone who calls for revolution, Maidan and civil war and does not care about what his slogans are - socialist, capitalist, patriotic or liberal. Each time, this led only to the collapse of the country and poverty of the population. Fortunately, sooner or later, a stern guy appeared and cleaned up the truth-loving people and revolutionaries and built a great country out of the wreckage. Of course, I am against any revolutionaries and perhaps we will be on opposite sides of the barricades.
          1. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 15 October 2014 15: 22
            0
            however, a change in socio-economic formations is not without revolutions. The only case of exclusion is Mongolia.
            1. Buran
              Buran 15 October 2014 17: 07
              +1
              You are too good of a view of Mongolia laughing
              1. Oldwiser
                Oldwiser 16 October 2014 13: 08
                0
                It was just that they taught me in a Soviet school that thanks to the help of the USSR, the Mongol leader Suhe-Bator was able to bring the people of Mongolia from feudalism directly to socialism - and all peacefully and bloodlessly - without capitalism and civil war (and Japanese occupation - unlike China).
                1. Buran
                  Buran 16 October 2014 17: 10
                  0
                  The revolution of 1911 of the year, against China. And Baron Unger, where did they divide, 1920 of the year? What kind of school did you have ???
          2. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 15 October 2014 17: 27
            +1
            Quote: g1v2
            I am against any revolutionaries

            Pinochet is closer to you and dearer to Comandante Fidel? Install his portrait instead of the faceless dark head accompanying your nickname.
          3. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 16 October 2014 05: 33
            0
            However, you are contradicting yourself, on the one hand, against the revolution, but in which case you will join the ranks of the counter-revolution, so do not hang up on your ears. And then, as I already wrote, there are much fewer defenders of liberals like you. So you have to come to terms.
      5. Max otto
        Max otto 15 October 2014 12: 42
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        ... For starters, you return at least socialism, only PRESENT! STALINSKI!

        Stalinist socialism was also not perfect. Say what you like, but there were too many excesses. He was too harsh, truth and times were harsh.
        That's what I think: a tremendous experience has been gained over the 70 years of the existence of the USSR. A world-wide experiment was conducted to study the possible development of human civilization. The experience is undoubtedly positive, and this vast experience has no one to generalize and formalize into the theory and state idea of ​​development. There is no theoretician of the level of Marx and Lenin yet, but it is extremely necessary.
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 16 October 2014 13: 11
          0
          But there is a bunch of dark "theorists" promoting the apologetics of "free market" and "eternity of capitalism"
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 15 October 2014 09: 47
      +4
      The time of the current Communists has passed, the future has not yet come. Current Russian, and Ukrainian, can only scratch their tongues.
      1. Cenij150814
        Cenij150814 15 October 2014 12: 19
        +4
        You, as a "specialist in all spheres", tell me what would you do in their place, not only in language ??
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 15 October 2014 15: 24
        +4
        The Communist Party and the Communist Party are communist only in name. In essence, these are reformist compromising (with large capital and political power) social shit
        1. Cenij150814
          Cenij150814 15 October 2014 16: 00
          0
          I may be asking a lot, but still I would like any examples, proofs or something, besides stereotypical "slogans".
          1. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 16 October 2014 13: 17
            0
            Read the program of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (KPU) and try to find phrase-markers "dictatorship of the proletariat", "socialist revolution", "class struggle".
            But you will find "socio-economic reforms", "in the interests of the broad working masses", "social partnership", etc. etc.
    5. Homo
      Homo 15 October 2014 09: 55
      +6
      Quote: Roman1970
      No, here it’s definitely not necessary to return to communism!

      And why? Can you answer? Only without slogans and tales about utopia.
      1. Roman1970
        Roman1970 15 October 2014 10: 06
        0
        Quote: Homo
        Quote: Roman1970
        No, here it’s definitely not necessary to return to communism!

        And why? Can you answer? Only without slogans and tales about utopia.

        “Each according to his ability, each according to his needs!” This is the principle of a communist society.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 15 October 2014 10: 44
          +2
          Quote: Roman1970
          This is the principle of a communist society.

          Correctly! From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
          Look around, look for those who give according to their abilities. Today it is all sorts of brokers, managers, specialists in IT-technologies. And who builds, brings order to the streets? In Moscow, for example, visitors from abroad. Independent citizens from the former Soviet republics.
          Our only think about their own needs.
          Do you really hope to build communism with such a people? I do not believe in this!
          For a long time, everyone had stockpiled a large spoon for dinner, and a baby shovel for work.
          1. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 15 October 2014 15: 26
            0
            Well, the character of a children's song about Antoshka is the most ideal UKR.A.I.E.Ets
        2. Userpic
          Userpic 15 October 2014 13: 24
          +1
          Quote: Homo
          And why? Can you answer?
          Quote: Roman1970
          “Each according to his ability, each according to his needs!” This is the principle of a communist society.

          In other words, you do not want the dominance of social relations based on the principles of a large friendly family, where everyone supports everyone?
          1. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 15 October 2014 15: 31
            +1
            You are talking about the patriarchal Russian community (which P.A. Stolypin destroyed by his reforms). And the key factor in the characterization of the socio-economic formation (OWNERSHIP, FEODALISM, CAPITALISM, SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM, ...) is the level of development of productive forces and the principle of building production relations. The latter is determined by the type of ownership of the means of production.
            Community on a national scale is "anarcho-syndicalism"
            1. Userpic
              Userpic 15 October 2014 17: 00
              +1
              Quote: OldWiser
              You are talking about the patriarchal Russian community

              This is my question about Roman's attitude to the values ​​underlying the socio-economic formation "Communism"
    6. RONIN-HS
      RONIN-HS 15 October 2014 09: 59
      +1
      ... But he (Communism) will not ask you whether to return to him or not! laughing
      We want to live - we will come to him ourselves.

      PS But the author has a complete "whore" in his head, from the desire to shove something unproductive into our brains ... fool This is me about the justification of the Guarantor and the discharge of New Russia ...
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 15 October 2014 10: 20
        -5
        Quote: RONIN-HS
        But he (Communism) will not ask you whether to return to him or not!


        Parliamentary and presidential elections in Russia indicate the opposite.
    7. varov14
      varov14 15 October 2014 10: 01
      +4
      But why didn’t we build communism, this utopia, we didn’t build real socialism, we all wanted communism, we all wanted freebies - according to needs. But as practice shows, human needs are immense.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 15 October 2014 15: 32
        0
        and abilities are limited
    8. aleks 62
      aleks 62 15 October 2014 10: 04
      +3
      ...... Have you ever lived with him ????? To judge, it is necessary to compare ..... And not according to the stories of someone, but to experience for yourself .. hi
    9. Patton5
      Patton5 15 October 2014 10: 14
      +1
      No, here it’s definitely not necessary to return to communism!
      Maybe ... But in a state of war there has to be a tough dictatorship, all this democracy, election picks, never brought up to good, and led to even more blood ... And the one who stops flirting with capital, and will be so dodgy to take capital for the gills, he will own everything ...
    10. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 15 October 2014 10: 15
      +3
      Do not worry, no one intends to return. While people are only interested in how to steal more, drag them deeper into the hole and consume the stolen while spitting on the robbed, there will be no communism in principle. Communism must be earned, but for now live as you are told by different nanochubays. It is clear that they will decide the fate of your grandchildren. And they decide in different ways, look at Ukraine. Almost out of the blue, thousands were killed, hundreds of thousands of refugees, just business, capitalists share markets, it is not difficult to imagine what will happen if they decide to fight seriously. But the main thing, of course, is that communism would not be introduced.
    11. DPZ
      DPZ 15 October 2014 10: 18
      +3
      why not? of all hitherto existing models of society, this was the "most" humane
      well, taking into account mistakes, in the sense that they are not repeated: the best to take, the worst not to take!
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 15 October 2014 15: 34
        0
        GULAG - take, leveling - leave?
    12. ava09
      ava09 15 October 2014 10: 54
      +2
      And what is communism, who saw it?
      1. Userpic
        Userpic 15 October 2014 13: 34
        +3
        Quote: ava09
        And what is communism, who saw it?

        If you have a friendly, caring family, then you not only see it every day, but also live in it in a separate apartment.
      2. DPZ
        DPZ 15 October 2014 14: 39
        +1
        communism is certainly a utopia, but socialism was very much seen, and alas, many people can compare with capitalism (even developed), but not the last one wins in many respects!
        1. Silumin
          Silumin 15 October 2014 15: 01
          +1
          but in many respects, not the last one wins anyway!


          So why can capitalism still not decay in any way, and the USSR and socialism have been rotting like 30 years in the dustbin of history?
          1. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 15 October 2014 15: 39
            0
            In France, after Napoleon Bonaparte, the restoration of the monarchy also took place. But nobody threw capitalism into the "dustbin of history". So it is too early to define the socialist idea in a landfill. It's just that Gorbachev, Yeltsin and So were able to carry out the project of capitalist restoration in Russia and now you and I have what we have.
      3. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 15 October 2014 15: 35
        0
        The top of the party-household nomenclature after Khrushchev lived with him. Only there was such a "Nomenclature Communism" - by no means for everyone
    13. net abortion
      net abortion 15 October 2014 11: 17
      0
      Quote: Roman1970
      here
    14. gunya
      gunya 15 October 2014 13: 40
      +2
      Roman, about "clear: what is" communism "and with what it is eaten?
    15. gunya
      gunya 15 October 2014 13: 40
      0
      Roman, about "clear: what is" communism "and with what it is eaten?
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  3. Vadivak
    Vadivak 15 October 2014 09: 33
    +11
    There we need real communists, who must firmly, in the style of October 1917, take power and confront the leadership of Russia with the fact of Red New Russia.


    Passed already. Betrayed and sold that October. And how much blood is shed.
    1. nvv
      nvv 15 October 2014 10: 03
      +1
      They walked through. They got stuffed. They got experience. Would you suggest something better?
      Quote: Vadivak
      Already passed
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 15 October 2014 11: 43
        +4
        Quote: nvv
        They walked through. They got stuffed. They got experience. Would you suggest something better?

        Experience without application is nothing. You need to draw conclusions and try again. Did you immediately manage to skate, ride a bike? Imagine, you fell, and then "well-wishers" come up to you and begins: "Well, I fell, I broke my nose , I also scratched my bicycle. It was not worth trying, it is clear that you cannot ride a bicycle (to be happy, to run the country, as a variant). "Without returning to the Communist idea, to socialism, we have no prospects. Why under socialism to master the vastness of the country was economically profitable? Why is it not profitable now? And what does it threaten us? And no democrats can stop the Nazism that was born in our land. The only real force is the communists and the Ministry of State Security.
    2. Mahmut
      Mahmut 15 October 2014 10: 05
      -2
      In the style of October, power was taken on the Maidan. The task of the Bolsheviks was the complete destruction of the state and the transfer of all resources to foreign companies. The task of the Maidan coup is the same. But Stalin dealt with the Bolsheviks. But who will deal with banderlogs.
      1. Buran
        Buran 15 October 2014 13: 49
        +1
        In the style of October, power was taken on the Maidan. The task of the Bolsheviks was the complete destruction of the state and the transfer of all resources to foreign companies. The task of the Maidan coup is the same.


        Maidanutyes came just in February 17th, the Provisional Government declared "War to a victorious end", nothing reminds of Ukraine. Or the carve-up of portfolios and warm places with lustration of the royal lackeys, also from there. But in October, the Bolsheviks just picked up what was left.
        In books, not only pictures are there, there are still letters.
    3. alicante11
      15 October 2014 10: 12
      +4
      Passed already. Betrayed and sold that October. And how much blood is shed.


      So what now? And they betrayed and sold Russia, so now, to beat her, darling?
    4. calocha
      calocha 15 October 2014 10: 18
      +1
      And once again, go through! THERE ARE NO OTHER MODELS! NO !!! Or ... constant Revolutions!
    5. revnagan
      revnagan 15 October 2014 11: 34
      +2
      Quote: Vadivak
      Betrayed and sold that October. And how much blood is shed.

      It depends only on us that that blood was not forgotten, wasn’t spilled in vain. If we believe in it, believe those who drive it into our heads, then yes, it really was all in vain. Personally, I don’t believe, I’m conducting counter-propaganda as I can.
  4. Silumin
    Silumin 15 October 2014 09: 36
    -18
    Well, what kind of people are all the same. Over the past 30 it was already possible to understand that the Reds with their communism did not bring anything good to the people, not the country. And they all dream of mass executions of dissent and red terror.

    Merged Novorossia oligarchs, nor any revenge will not be.
    1. Homo
      Homo 15 October 2014 09: 58
      +4
      Quote: Silumin
      Over the past 30 it was already possible to understand that the Reds with their communism did not bring anything good to the people, not the country.

      Well, actually, 99% of what we have brought the Communists (or under the leadership of the Communists)!
      1. Silumin
        Silumin 15 October 2014 10: 45
        0
        History doesn't like the subjunctive, but
        it was the same with another system. It might even be better.
        Do you know why?
        Because people would stay the same. And many bright heads would remain in the country.
        But you do not understand this, because you have a distorted perception of the past due to nostalgia.

        Is it worth building a house on a failed project if the house has not stood for 100 years.
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 15 October 2014 11: 45
          +4
          Quote: Silumin
          History does not like the subjunctive mood, but the same thing happened with a different system.

          Did you notice that YOURSELF contradict YOURSELF in ONE OFFER?
          1. Silumin
            Silumin 15 October 2014 13: 58
            0
            Sorry, I'm writing from the phone.

            Istria does not like the subjunctive mood, but nevertheless, the same technical and scientific achievements that were handed over to the USSR would have been made under any other system, and could have been multiplied, since there would have been no red terror and emigration of many prominent scientists.

            PS To all lovers of communism.
            Did you know that under communism all women and children are common?
            Are you ready to give your wife and your daughters for universal use?

            And so the real communism was in the hippie communities.
            1. Userpic
              Userpic 15 October 2014 14: 06
              +1
              Quote: Silumin
              Did you know that under communism all women and children are common?

              Super, burn on! good laughing
              1. Silumin
                Silumin 15 October 2014 15: 02
                +2
                Super, burn on! good laughing


                Apparently you know little about communism laughing
                1. Userpic
                  Userpic 15 October 2014 16: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Silumin
                  Apparently you know little about communism:

                  Let's say that you know much more)))
                  And if so, then it will probably not be difficult for you to quote one of the ideologues of communism, which would say both about the socialization of children and women, and about what is meant by this "socialization"? wink
                  1. Silumin
                    Silumin 15 October 2014 17: 07
                    +1
                    Socialist S. Fourier: "In all other alliances, a person demands freedom of action for himself and possibly
                    greater breadth of ties [...]. Meanwhile, in matters of love and marriage, they squeeze us into the closest
                    framework. Provide love to her natural attraction, leave her to herself - and she will find
                    your borders! And then it turns out that every man will have as many wives as there were them
                    in the wise Solomon, that a woman, in turn, would not want to constrain herself in the choice of men.
                    This plurality of love is so natural that even the decrepit sultan is not limited
                    one wife. In the future, nobody will consider such freedom in a relationship of love
                    unnatural ... "


                    Decree abolishing the private ownership of women


                    Decree of the Saratov Provincial Council of People's Commissars on the abolition of private ownership of women
                    Legitimate marriage, which took place until recently, was undoubtedly the product of the social inequality that must be uprooted in the Soviet Republic. Until now, legal marriages have served as a serious weapon in the hands of the bourgeoisie in their struggle against the proletariat, thanks to them all the best specimens of the fair sex were the property of the bourgeois imperialists and such proper property could not be disrupted by the proper continuation of the human race. Therefore, the Saratov Provincial Council of People’s Commissars, with the approval of the Executive Committee of the Provincial Council of Workers, Soldiers 'and Peasants' Deputies, decided:
                    § 1. From January 1, 1918, the right to permanent possession of women who have reached 17 years of age is canceled and up to 30 liters
                    Note: The age of women is determined by metric records, passports, and in the absence of these documents by the quarterly committees or elders and by appearance and testimonies.
                    § 2. The effect of this decree does not apply to married women with five or more children.
                    § 3. For the former owners (husbands) the right is reserved for the extraordinary use of his wife. Note: In case of opposition of the former husband to the implementation of this decree in life, he is deprived of the right granted to him by this article.
                    § 4. All women who are fit for a real decree shall be withdrawn from private permanent possession and declared the property of the entire working people.
                    1. Silumin
                      Silumin 15 October 2014 17: 08
                      0
                      § 5. The distribution of the institution of alienated women is provided by Sov. Slave Soldier and the cross. Deputies to the Gubernsky, Uyezdnom and Selsky by affiliation.
                      § 7. Muscovite citizens have the right to use a woman no more than four times a week and no more than 3 hours, subject to the conditions specified below.
                      § 8. Each member of the working people is obliged to deduct 2% of their earnings from the national generation fund.
                      § 9. Every Muschin wishing to use a copy of the national heritage must present to the Workers' Committee or the trade union a certificate confirming that he belongs to the working class.
                      § 10. He who belongs to the working class acquires the right to use alienated women under the condition of a monthly contribution of the amount indicated in § 8 to the fund 1000 rubles.
                      § 11. All women declared by this decree as a public domain receive an aid of 280 rubles from the fund of the national generation. b month.
                      § 12. Women who become pregnant are relieved of their duties of direct and state duties for 4 months (3 months before and one after childbirth).
                      § 13. After one month, the babies born are given up to receive the "Nursery", where they are brought up and receive education up to the age of 17 years.
                      § 14. At the birth of twins of the parent, a reward of 200 rubles is given.
                      § 15. The perpetrators of the spread of sexually transmitted diseases will be held legally liable in a court of revolutionary time.
                      1. Userpic
                        Userpic 15 October 2014 18: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Silumin
                        Socialist S. Fourier
                        He is a socialist like me a monarchist, and he has nothing to do with communism at all.
                        Decree abolishing the private ownership of women
                        And do you extrapolate to these entire Marxist-Leninist teachings these separate delusional twists of consciousness on sexual grounds, the bearers of which were far from ideologists of far from communism? laughing

                        Marx and Lenin did write about the destruction of the family, but not as such, but specifically bourgeoisbased on economic and social forced... And your "socialization of children" is nothing more than the value of "there are no other people's children, since children are our common future."
                      2. Silumin
                        Silumin 15 October 2014 18: 11
                        +1
                        But laughed laughing

                        But in fact you are just a utopian, and you will not understand, all people are different and have lived, live, and most likely will live according to 2 rules: for strangers "man is a wolf to man", for their own "man to man is a friend and comrade" it can not be changed.
                      3. Userpic
                        Userpic 15 October 2014 19: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: Silumin
                        all people are different and have lived, live, and most likely will live according to 2 rules: for strangers "man to man is a wolf", for their own "man to man is a friend and comrade", and this can not be changed.

                        Apparently this is why the person who is in your view a natural egoist has evolved into a social animal. smile

                        Specifically, any person can be close to you, pleasant, or indifferent. For you, he becomes an enemy only in one case - in the case of legalized squabbles for material wealth that you have not earned. This legalized squabble is capitalism.
            2. Buran
              Buran 15 October 2014 14: 10
              +2
              How old are you? This is not an attempt to humiliate or insult, just to put everything in its place.
              1. Silumin
                Silumin 15 October 2014 15: 04
                0
                How old are you? This is not an attempt to humiliate or insult, just to put everything in its place.


                Honestly. Managed to live and work in the late USSR, survived the 90s.
                1. Buran
                  Buran 15 October 2014 15: 51
                  +1
                  Then your school education is very different from mine, and then quite thoroughly explained about socialism and communism. What you say is at least the level of the Ukrainian comprehensive school of 2000's. Yes, and phrases about castoffs and living standards make one doubt that
                  Honestly. Managed to live and work in the late USSR


                  Dissemble wink
                  1. Silumin
                    Silumin 15 October 2014 16: 00
                    0
                    Then your school education is very different from mine, and then quite thoroughly explained about socialism and communism.


                    Maybe because I did not stop at Soviet education and do not think with Soviet cliches?

                    About the "history" that was taught at school, I can say one thing: ideology on falsification, and falsification drives. Only one class struggle in ancient Egypt in the textbook "History of the Ancient World" for grade 5 is worth something.
                    1. Buran
                      Buran 15 October 2014 16: 43
                      +2
                      Maybe because I did not stop at Soviet education


                      "Better sometimes to slow down and think than turn your head into mush."
                      About ten years ago, at an alumni meeting, my old physics teacher said. And what to do, the Soviet school. hi
                    2. 11111mail.ru
                      11111mail.ru 15 October 2014 19: 51
                      +3
                      Quote: Silumin
                      About the "history" that was taught at school, I can say one thing: ideology on falsification, and falsification drives.

                      Have you studied a different story somewhere other than the Fifth grade of secondary school in SU? Read Ukrainian / Latvian / Polish / Romanian ... ets ..
                      Quote: Silumin
                      Only one class struggle (1) in ancient Egypt in the textbook "History of the Ancient World" for grade 5 (2).

                      1) Do you deny the existence of the institution of slavery specifically in Ancient Egypt? Alas, sir, alas ... A. M. have you personally seen it!?! Then another matter! We look forward to hearing from you a bestseller like "The Man Who Saved Ka Akhenaten IV "!
                      2) Try to identify by the picture the textbook that you studied in your fifth grade and give an answer if it does not bother you in the system of the first / second row from the top, left / center / right. This will help to identify your age with a tolerance of +/- three years, provided that you did not "sit" in the 3rd, 4th, 5th grades for two years and did not study this textbook for the second or third time.
                      1. Silumin
                        Silumin 15 October 2014 21: 33
                        0
                        1) Do you deny the existence of the institution of slavery specifically in ancient Egypt?


                        No, I do not deny it.

                        2) Try to identify by the picture the textbook that you studied in your fifth grade and give an answer if it does not bother you in the system of the first / second row from the top, left / center / right. This will help to identify your age with a tolerance of +/- three years, provided that you did not "sit" in the 3rd, 4th, 5th grades for two years and did not study this textbook for the second or third time.


                        Bottom row on the left.
                      2. 11111mail.ru
                        11111mail.ru 16 October 2014 20: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Silumin
                        1) No, I do not deny.
                        2) The bottom row on the left.

                        Thank you for pointing out the picture of the textbook according to which you allegedly studied in the 5th grade with the "councils". In turn, to myself, I will point to the first left picture in the top row, therefore, according to the content of textbooks, it makes no sense to conduct a discussion (your thesis = denial of the class struggle in Ancient Egypt). Do not try to "load" me on the periodicals: the Old Kingdom, the Middle Kingdom, the New Kingdom, in the application of our discussion with you, it will simply mean withdrawal in particular. To address the disagreements at the first level, I offer you the FIRST selected link just to read and prepare for the subsequent discussion:
                        http://worldhistory4.narod.ru/Drevneicheenarodnoevosstanie.html
                        "The oldest popular uprising
                        Many centuries ago in Egypt, there was a grandiose uprising of the working people - the first in world history about which we have heard. It was described by an Egyptian nobleman named Ipuser. Another Egyptian writer, Neferti, also reports about him ... ".
                        Such links (quite objective!) You yourself could dig at least three in five minutes. Deny the simple truth that classes of society differ in the amount and quality of appropriated "wealth" (equivalent of social labor costs) produced by a given community, localized in the considered space-time continuum, you are sane, I suppose you won't! No? Mind, we bet! There was, dear, there was a class struggle under the pharaohs! Where then did the semi-literate lumpen of the Russian batch of the second or third decades of the XX have a phrase that positioned them in relations with representatives of the Soviet government - "Pharaohs!" Assuming a continuation of the discussion, I remove from the agenda the "sharpness" not in essence in the early overlaps and expect reasonable intellectual discussions on the topic "class struggle in Ancient Egypt."
      2. semen777
        semen777 15 October 2014 10: 53
        +4
        All that Russia now has in the asset is done and built in the USSR! And this asset would have been much larger if the traitors hadn’t pulled and destroyed the tragedy. or a Komsomol ticket, and for them it was just a means of obtaining benefits, so nothing personal, it’s just business! Everyone wants to live well, only some use honest work, and for others the methods are not important, the main thing is to be in chocolate. So here is the dog buried, how to raise tacos society, living in the principles of Christian morality, not rotten modelka kapitalizma.I no matter how this system will be called, the main principle morali.Vot so that's a utopia, but to try something right!
    2. alicante11
      15 October 2014 10: 13
      +3
      And they all dream of mass executions of dissent and red terror.


      But you, besides the Red Terror, know nothing more about the USSR and the Communists? Sad, sad ...

      Merged Novorossia oligarchs, nor any revenge will not be.


      Do not wait
      1. dmb
        dmb 15 October 2014 14: 01
        +2
        Dear colleagues, speaking about communism and its main slogan on the needs, you forget what Lenin said. And he said that you can become a communist only then ... The building of communism is not expressed in the presence of a golden toilet, ten Ferrari and twelve rooms. In this case, Serdyukov and Vasilyeva and Rotenbergs and Tishchenko could be considered the best communists. A communist is a person whose activities are primarily aimed at the good of society, and not at all at contemplating his own navel, which is the meaning of life for all critics of communism. The fact that this does not happen at once, and the upbringing of this person is not an easy and lengthy process, is once again confirmed by the temporary victory of the counter-revolution in 1991. However, it is impossible to stop the course of history, and so far none of the critics has been able to offer an alternative, about which Marx and Lenin, whom they so disliked, wrote about. Remark about the red terror. First, someone can explain why it was necessary to arrange it, in the absence of resistance to the old regime, that is, to destroy their own property. Sorry, but the Bolsheviks are not like clinical idi ... but citizens who blame them for the actions that ultimately saved 1/6 of the land in a single state. Secondly, these citizens, beyond any logic, blaspheme the Bolsheviks for this terror, nevertheless, they admire the organizer of the subsequent terror. Although it is extremely difficult to explain it (terror) by ideological considerations and it is more like a struggle for power between various groups. What amused me in the article - Alik Kantor advocating for the "Russian World". Immediately I remembered: "if the Jews went to the Cossacks, then this is a worthwhile business."
        1. alicante11
          15 October 2014 14: 45
          0
          What amused me in the article - Alik Kantor advocating for the "Russian World".


          However, for each article there is a comment about nationality. Once even called an Arab Jew :). However, the pseudonym of nationality does not have ...
          1. dmb
            dmb 15 October 2014 15: 21
            0
            Accepted, although "what you call a yacht, so it will float"
        2. Silumin
          Silumin 15 October 2014 15: 06
          -1
          I’m sorry, but not the Bolsheviks look like clinical ones ... but citizens who blame them for actions that ultimately saved 1/6 of the land in a single state.


          Those who preserved, they cut into republics and in 1991 sent these republics to free swimming.

          Secondly, these citizens, beyond any logic, blaspheming the Bolsheviks for the terror, nevertheless are enthusiastic about the organizer of the subsequent terror. Although it’s extremely difficult to explain it (terror) by ideological considerations and it is more like a power struggle between different groups.


          Yes, people write in the eyes of God's dew.
          1. dmb
            dmb 15 October 2014 15: 27
            +2
            Well, where did you see among the "sent" communists? But the fact that they were gone, including the merit and the winner in the struggle for power. Far from the thought that he did it deliberately. Most likely, as the unforgettable VSP used to say: "We wanted the best ...".
            1. Silumin
              Silumin 15 October 2014 15: 49
              -1
              Well, where did you see among the "sent" communists?


              The communists created such conditions that the republics someday set off for free swimming.

              Who's guilty? The one who laid the mine or the one who stepped on it?
              1. dmb
                dmb 15 October 2014 16: 03
                +1
                Could they have created other conditions? Make good suggestions on how this could have been done in 1917-1918. True, it is worth considering that the Kdo Bolsheviks and Transcaucasia and Ukraine have already declared their far from communist independence. It is not worth remembering about the Central Asian feudal lords. They kicked them all out and gathered into the union "vows of the commies" and not supporters of autocracy or democracy.
                1. Silumin
                  Silumin 15 October 2014 16: 30
                  +1
                  And could they create other conditions?


                  Of course they could, but Lenin and Stalin proclaimed the struggle against Great-Russian chauvinism.

                  Stalin at the 12th Congress of the RCP (B.):


                  "Russian nationalism began to grow, intensify, the idea of ​​changeover was born, desire to arrange peacefully what Denikin failed to do, i.e. create the so-called “single and indivisible”. And thus, in connection with the NEP in our inner life, a new force is emerging - Great Russian chauvinismnesting in our institutions, penetrating not only Soviet, but also party institutions, roaming in all corners of our federation and leading to the fact that if we do not give a decisive rebuff to this new force, if we do not fundamentally cut it - and NEP conditions cultivate it - we run the risk of facing a picture of the gap between the proletariat of the former sovereign nation and the peasants of previously oppressed nations, which equals the undermining of the dictatorship of the proletariat. The main danger emanating from here is the danger stemming from the fact that in connection with the NEP we are growing not by the day, but by the hour great-power chauvinism, the most hardened nationalism, trying to erase everything non-Russian, collect all the threads of government around the Russian beginning and crush non-Russian. I stayed specifically on Great Russian chauvinism, as a force strengthening. This power is the main danger which could undermine the confidence of the previously oppressed peoples in the Russian proletariat. This is our most dangerous enemy, which we must blame, because if we dump it, then we will also blame 9/10 for the nationalism that has survived and that is developing in individual republics.. The trend towards local chauvinism must also be radically suppressed. Of course, in comparison with Great Russian chauvinism, which constitutes three quarters of the whole in the general system of the national question, local chauvinism is not so important, but for local work, for local people, for the peaceful development of the national republics themselves, this chauvinism is of paramount importance ".
                  1. dmb
                    dmb 15 October 2014 16: 33
                    0
                    So where are the proposals for other options for maintaining the state?
                    1. Silumin
                      Silumin 15 October 2014 17: 55
                      -1
                      So where are the proposals for other options for maintaining the state?


                      And not to undermine the situation in the country and leave everything as it is, not an option?
                      1. alicante11
                        16 October 2014 01: 23
                        +1
                        And not to undermine the situation in the country and leave everything as it is, not an option?


                        So this is not to the Communists, but to our PDOs. They even have a federation of independent states - states and nothing - fall apart. And the republics, you see, are a collapse.
              2. Oldwiser
                Oldwiser 16 October 2014 13: 30
                0
                Yes, actually both are to blame - and the one who drastically slows down (before the pedestrian crossing) and the one who drives him in the ass - due to non-observance of the distance and / or speed limit.
            2. Oldwiser
              Oldwiser 16 October 2014 13: 28
              0
              "let them scratch in another place"
        3. DPZ
          DPZ 15 October 2014 15: 15
          -1
          A communist is a person whose activities are primarily aimed at the benefit of society
          Well, religion also says that you need to love yourself less. so communism for a normal society is that! and also: the capitalist will never voluntarily think about people, for him the main profit is, even if he sits on bags of money, these are the laws of the market.
          1. Silumin
            Silumin 15 October 2014 15: 24
            -1
            the capitalist will never voluntarily think about people, for him the main profit is, even if he sits on bags of money, these are the laws of the market.


            This is not a damn thing about the laws of the market, but the stupid propaganda of the Soviet Union.

            Profits come from people working for the capitalist, and if the capitalist ruins a person, he will not have profit, so the capitalists cherish and cherish people (who will produce people in their place? Who will CONSUME people instead of people?), Try to improve working conditions, all kinds of bonuses, bonuses, work at home, premiums for harmfulness, etc.
            1. Oldwiser
              Oldwiser 16 October 2014 13: 46
              0
              It is you, sir, to get rid of a sore head on a healthy one. The capitalists are forced to spend money on all of the above (improvement of working conditions) not out of "personal conscience and humanism", but only as a result of the centuries-old struggle of workers for their socio-economic rights, and in the twentieth century - because of the presence of an alternative example in the face of the USSR (and then the socialist camp).
        4. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 15 October 2014 21: 07
          +2
          Quote: dmb
          What amused me in the article - Alik Kantor advocating for the "Russian World". Immediately I remembered: "if the Jews went to the Cossacks, then this is a worthwhile business."

          Therefore, I did not plus. negative And the article = an obvious throw-in to the study of some aspects of a particular political moment, and the artists to warm up the audience came off in all its glory, for example: Silumin. The situation is multi-way, but it looks like we broke the game for our opponents and this is a plus for all of us!
    3. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 15 October 2014 18: 21
      +1
      Quote: Silumin
      and the last 30 it was already possible to understand that the Reds with their communism nothing good was brought to either the people or the country.

      1. The unification of the lands of the former Russian Empire in the form of a new state entity = USSR, (without Poland and Finland, of course). Nothing good?
      2. The defeat of the shock "fist of imperialism" = fascist Germany. Nothing good? Well, you probably most of all like the invaders to polish their shoes to a mirror shine, having received as a reward, like "hivi", a bowl of flushing from the boilers of German cuisine with a piece of ersatz bread.
      3. The bones of the "invincible" Kwantung army of the "divine mikado" were counted, liberating Sakhalin and Port Arthur, washing away the shame of the defeat of the Russian Empire in the first Russian-Japanese war. Nothing good?
      Quote: Silumin
      nor to the people, nе country

      Neither / not a literate Russian person will be able to mix up the purpose of particles, but "hivi" is easy.
      1. Silumin
        Silumin 15 October 2014 18: 32
        0
        1. The unification of the lands of the former Russian Empire in the form of a new state entity = USSR, (without Poland and Finland, of course). Nothing good?


        1. With their subsequent collapse on a national basis without the possibility of rejoining peacefully.

        2. The defeat of the shock "fist of imperialism" = fascist Germany. Nothing good? Well, you probably most of all like the invaders to polish their shoes to a mirror shine, having received as a reward, like "hivi", a bowl of flushing from the boilers of German cuisine with a piece of ersatz bread.


        2. Germany has never been a fascist, but was a Nazi, and arose as a response of the West to "communism" and "world communist revolution" (though they did not take into account the revanchist sentiments in society), the Comintern does not tell you anything?

        3. The bones of the "invincible" Kwantung army of the "divine mikado" were counted, liberating Sakhalin and Port Arthur, washing away the shame of the defeat of the Russian Empire in the first Russian-Japanese war. Nothing good?


        See point 2.

        Neither / not a literate Russian person will be able to mix up the purpose of particles, but "hivi" is easy.


        Are you still a half-rate teacher (which I doubt, since a person who is far from this can confuse fascism and Nazism), or just decided to get into spelling?
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 15 October 2014 20: 29
          +3
          Quote: Silumin
          Germany has never been a fascist, but was a Nazi, and arose as the West's response to "communism" and the "world communist revolution" (though they did not take into account the revanchist sentiments in society), does the Comintern tell you anything?

          It is impossible to conduct serious discussions with political werewolves! Had I called the Third Reich a National Socialist regime, you would have cried out in earnest about the unprincipled antagonism of the reddish-brown ones, clinging to each other's throats, in contrast to the friendly family of civilized peoples under the wise the leadership of the USA, which broke "Nazi" and "Commy". I did not mind the dissolution of the proto-Zionist freebie by J.V. Stalin, and I will not object. Tovarischi like Rosenfeld and Radomyslsky are your reflection today. Their muddy faces and muddy phrases still haunt you like, itching "understand" wormhole in the liver, resonates!
          Under paragraph 2), your unsubscribe is rated a solid deuce.
          Accordingly, the reference to point 2) in your answer to point 3) (Japan's mortality in response to the defeat of the Russian Empire) fully corresponds to the level of answers of our former, and now "Svidomo" genetic relatives: "There’s an elder in the garden, and there’s an uncle in Kiyov." So, something tells me that you are: "the officer's daughter", well, if not "From Sevastopol, then, from Berdichev."
  5. shelva
    shelva 15 October 2014 09: 39
    +2
    Hit the blacks until they turn white, hit the white ones until they turn red and hit the red ones until they turn black. Then the dream of the Americans will come true.
    1. varov14
      varov14 15 October 2014 10: 13
      0
      In politics, one must be able to take someone else's property
      without hesitation, if there is a desire to achieve humility and power.
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 16 October 2014 13: 49
      0
      And global anarchy is the mother of order. Long live Bakunin, Leon-Cherny and Nestor Ivanovich Makhno!
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 16 October 2014 20: 52
        0
        Quote: OldWiser
        and Nestor Ivanovich Makhno!

        Indeed he was a fighter for the freedom of the oppressed! In "Civil .." I would be in his ranks!
  6. Loner_53
    Loner_53 15 October 2014 09: 41
    -2
    Alik wake up and hangover wassat
  7. kotev19
    kotev19 15 October 2014 09: 42
    +1
    It's not evening yet ... captain!
  8. Tor hummer
    Tor hummer 15 October 2014 09: 46
    +3
    That's the same Kenguryan was the first to run to Novorossiya to stigmatize the military commanders, and then wrapped in a red flag, went to report to Kolomoisky. This is what this "red revenge" is.

    1. alicante11
      15 October 2014 10: 15
      0
      That's the same Kenguryan was the first to run to Novorossiya to stigmatize the military commanders, and then wrapped in a red flag, went to report to Kolomoisky. This is what this "red revenge" is


      If you read the article, you would understand that I consider Kenguryan to be as red as Zakharchenko and Surkov combined.
      1. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer 15 October 2014 10: 22
        +1
        Quote: alicante11
        If you read the article, you would understand that I consider Kenguryan to be as red as Zakharchenko and Surkov combined.

        If you had read at least one history textbook, you would have known that it was the communists-Bolsheviks who destroyed Novorossia, and then the cleared territories were "presented" to the Ukrainian SSR, which they themselves created. And to fight for New Russia under the Soviet flags is the same as to fight for Israel under the banners of the Third Reich.

        And now, what is happening on our former Russian lands is a direct consequence of the things that the Bolsheviks did a century ago.

        So, go with your "red revenge" in good health.
        1. alicante11
          15 October 2014 11: 13
          +4
          If you had read at least one history textbook, you would have known that it was the communists-Bolsheviks who destroyed Novorossia, and then the cleared territories were "presented" to the Ukrainian SSR, which they themselves created.


          Do you mean Soros textbooks? Well, then, of course, why think if there is Uncle Soros. I myself wonder what textbooks my children will be taught. But so far there is no history textbook, as a history teacher said at school. And so, to see, they have already departed from Soros, but they did not find what to come up with in return. So I also wish you to turn your brains on and get out of the hassle that the liberals of the 90s and their western landlords plunged into your generation.
          1. Normal
            Normal 15 October 2014 15: 45
            +1
            Quote: alicante11
            Do you mean Soros textbooks? Well, then, of course, why think if there is Uncle Soros.

            That is, the Ukrainian SSR was created by Soros, and not by the Bolsheviks? Donbas and other areas of Ingushetia, which had never before belonged to Ukraine, were included in the Ukrainian SSR not by the Bolsheviks, but by Soros?
            Maybe you need to turn on the brain?
            1. alicante11
              16 October 2014 01: 26
              +1
              That is, the Ukrainian SSR was created by Soros, and not by the Bolsheviks?


              The Ukrainian SSR was a part of the Union and no one imagined that this part could be separated. And if a country is divided, then it can be divided not necessarily by republics (the example of Abkhazia and South Ossetia and NKR does not say anything?), But it can also be along the edges, regions and regions. So, the claims for the withdrawal of Donbass from Russia are not against the Bolsheviks, but against "effective managers." So that's Soros.
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  10. Alex66
    Alex66 15 October 2014 10: 04
    0
    Now in the world the oligarchs are dividing spheres of influence, the new ones want to grab a piece fatter, and the old ones do not want to share, under the threat of war, the population is once again robbed, devaluing salaries, there will be no just social state, its oligarchs will not build this and the hedgehog understands. Communism has not outlived its usefulness, the "communists" have outlived themselves, turning into new oligarchs, they no longer cared about the people.
  11. saag
    saag 15 October 2014 10: 04
    +1
    It's funny to read the article, first the author stands up for the GDP, writes that everywhere they trumpet that they are draining Novorossia, that in fact no one is draining it, otherwise they will merge themselves, then - "Worse is that oligarchs came to power in Novorossia", "Great Novorossia with Kharkov, Odessa and Zaporozhye was sacrificed by the leadership of Russia to reduce the intensity of passions, to stop the escalation of the conflict. "And this is called Novorossia, they do not merge, but the finish strikes most of all." They need real communists who must be tough, in the style of October 1917- In the same way that Russia presented everyone with the fact of the return of Crimea, the leadership in the Kremlin will have to come to terms with the reddening of Novorossia, because the alternative would be the notorious "drain", which they cannot afford On the Internet, I came across an interview with a communist militia, where it was said that communist militia units exist. yes, comrades, it's time to act! As the great Lenin said, delay is like death! "

    Hello, author, it is impossible to simultaneously be for Putin and for communism, they are opposed to each other - capitalism and communism, you choose one side.
    1. nvv
      nvv 15 October 2014 10: 21
      0
      Quote: saag
      Hello, author, it is impossible to simultaneously be for Putin and for communism, they are opposed to each other - capitalism and communism, you choose one side.

      Under Putin, the author wants, if not communism, then at least socialism. Me too. M can it be Putin will change his mind? lol
      1. alicante11
        15 October 2014 11: 47
        -2
        Under Putin, the author wants, if not communism, then at least socialism. Me too. M can it be Putin will change his mind? lol


        Well, GDP is still secondary, primary is socialism. It is still too early to talk about communism.
    2. alicante11
      15 October 2014 11: 46
      +1
      and these are called New Russia do not merge,


      What is the problem, dear? Maybe Great New Russia, while there is Small. The Velikub was sacrificed, the small one lives and cannot surrender it, otherwise they will receive the Maidan in Moscow.

      Hello, author, it is impossible to simultaneously be for Putin and for communism, they are opposed to each other - capitalism and communism, you choose one side.


      The author is always on the side of the "red". But this is not a reason to build vain on GDP in the "drain" of Novorossiya. He is not his enemy. And in general there is no reason to look at things one-sidedly. VVP in its own way is a great politician and, if he was not a supporter of the oligarchy, he could compete with Stalin. Since his affairs would not have contained the framework of selfish oligarchic interests, just as they did not restrain Stalin after he took full power.
      1. saag
        saag 15 October 2014 13: 16
        +2
        Quote: alicante11
        otherwise they will receive Maidan in Moscow.

        Yes, they won’t get it, everyone will repeat that this is a tricky plan - first to retreat in Kutuzov, and then step on, and they will believe
        1. alicante11
          15 October 2014 13: 23
          0
          Faith is such a thing that if you deceive it, then it disappears. Look at the church in the early 20th century. And once they believed in God too.
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 15 October 2014 20: 33
          +1
          Quote: saag
          first retreat in Kutuzov, and then step on,

          To step ... to the end?
      2. Normal
        Normal 15 October 2014 20: 18
        +2
        Quote: alicante11
        otherwise they will receive Maidan in Moscow.

        Could you name the forces capable of arranging the Maidan in Moscow?
        What parties and movements have prepared and united human resources for this?
        Who and from what means can finance the Moscow Maidan?
        Which Duma party or union of parties is capable of legalizing street riots in Moscow?
        Do you think that the leadership of the country and the law enforcement agencies of the Russian Federation is so weak-willed and indecisive that it will observe the development of the situation (and it takes more than one week to Maidan) in time?
        Tell me, when was the successful attempt of the first Moscow Maidan?

        If you do not have convincing answers to these questions, then you just ... how to put it mildly? what
        1. alicante11
          16 October 2014 01: 38
          +1
          Could you name the forces capable of arranging the Maidan in Moscow?


          No problem.

          What parties and movements have prepared and united human resources for this?


          Those who were on Bolotnaya. And on them a patriotic majority will "grow" on the wave of indignation over the drain of Novorossiya. Compare the number of protesters after the parliamentary and presidential elections. In the second case, only the backbone remained, in the first there was a real protest mass.

          Who and from what means can finance the Moscow Maidan?


          Has the American Embassy Closed?

          Which Duma party or union of parties is capable of legalizing street riots in Moscow?


          Do you need it? Well, if necessary, then reference Russia.

          Do you think that the leadership of the country and the law enforcement agencies of the Russian Federation is so weak-willed and indecisive that it will observe the development of the situation (and it takes more than one week to Maidan) in time?


          I don’t think so. But the Tiananmen-style massacre in Moscow is also not an option; too many innocents will die. And with the mass of protesters in 2012, Tiananmen may not work.

          Tell me, when was the successful attempt of the first Moscow Maidan?


          August 91st, but what? A precedent rather worsens the chances of Maidan workers in the village of S.

          If you do not have convincing answers to these questions, then you just ... how to put it mildly? what


          Jupiter, you are angry, so you are wrong (s).
    3. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 15 October 2014 15: 49
      +2
      It is better for the author to master the theory of informational-postindustrial convergence. There, you can scratch with a smart look for a longer time with the tongue "blah-blah-blah".
  12. Oldwiser
    Oldwiser 15 October 2014 10: 05
    +1
    In fact, the Novorossiya project came under the control of the Moscow-Donetsk consortium. Perhaps Firtash is also involved. So "Red Revenge" is a complete utopia.
    1. alicante11
      15 October 2014 11: 48
      +1
      In fact, the Novorossiya project came under the control of the Moscow-Donetsk consortium. Perhaps Firtash is also involved.


      If there are armed units and if you strike first, then nothing is impossible.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 15 October 2014 15: 54
        +3
        without a political idea and political force ("party"), armed detachments are ordinary gangs. Even a military dictatorship needs personnel for the military administration.
        1. alicante11
          16 October 2014 01: 41
          +1
          without a political idea and political force ("party")


          The idea, as you see, is. And the cadres, of course, are needed, but this is still a business. In the people's militia, many police officers served, for example.
          1. nvv
            nvv 16 October 2014 03: 27
            0
            .................
  13. calocha
    calocha 15 October 2014 10: 13
    +1
    Mixed in a bunch .. horses, people. The author scares the RED DRAFT ?! in the WORLD it becomes that CAPITALISM — DIES, CAPITALISM — the dead end of Civilizations! Communism appears on the wreckage of capitalism, they are not afraid of it, we will come to this, it’s better for now that the model is NO! The people of Ukraine are really tired of the oligarchy !!! what’s wrong ?! With regard to Murid, Strelkov, Mozgovoy and others. Actually, WHO SHOULD YOU TALK FOR SUCH PEOPLE ?! !! In Moscow, they were afraid of such an initiative, judging by the fact that they decided to cover Voentorg ... just when he NEEDS!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 15 October 2014 10: 27
      -4
      Quote: calocha
      It becomes clear to many in the WORLD that CAPITALISM-DIES, CAPITALISM-a dead end


      I hear these tales from school, but capitalism is like whether or not it dominates the world now, and in China itself capitalism under the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party, in India, for example, does not overlook capitalism and economic growth and welfare are on the face.
      1. calocha
        calocha 15 October 2014 11: 45
        +1
        In China - a symbiosis of both. If you say so, then call a spade a spade!
      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 15 October 2014 20: 36
        +2
        Quote: RUSS
        and economic growth and welfare are on the face.

        No, not welfare on the face.
    2. Silumin
      Silumin 15 October 2014 10: 56
      0
      Hah, in the real world, "all peaceful equalization" does not work, so the state is rowing everyone with the same comb, and it turns out: "Everyone has different abilities, but the needs are the same."
      1. calocha
        calocha 15 October 2014 11: 51
        0
        But after all, our ancestors lived! The Western writers of those years wrote that they admired how cheap everything was in the markets under Ivan the Terrible. On average, every family had one or two cows, a horse and a piece of land .. We then ordinary people dressed in such rags in which she went to the West only. For five six huts one bathhouse (thanks to the cleanliness, the plague bypassed us unlike Europe, which had already cut it out by half) ... After all, they could have done it now and now, but some people really do not want it! ..
        1. Silumin
          Silumin 15 October 2014 13: 45
          0
          Under Ivan Gron, there was feudalism and a free market.

          But in the union they wore castoffs, and I generally am silent about the amenities and aesthetics.

          Compare how they lived in the west in the 60-80s, and how in the USSR. And you see, under capitalism, life was better.
          1. Userpic
            Userpic 15 October 2014 14: 10
            0
            Quote: Silumin
            Compare how they lived in the west in the 60-80s, and how in the USSR. And you see, under capitalism, life was better.

            Who - 20% of the population? laughing
            1. Silumin
              Silumin 15 October 2014 15: 00
              +1
              80% of the population, the remaining 20% ​​really lived worse than in the USSR.

              If under socialism it was so good, why did people massively try to get away from the German Democratic Republic in Germany?
              1. Userpic
                Userpic 15 October 2014 16: 42
                +1
                Quote: Silumin
                80% of the population, the remaining 20% ​​really lived worse than in the USSR
                What is this conclusion based on?

                If under socialism it was so good, why did people massively try to get away from the German Democratic Republic in Germany?
                Massively - how is it? What period? What statistics do you have on this topic?
                1. Silumin
                  Silumin 15 October 2014 17: 33
                  0
                  What is this conclusion based on?


                  Let's say on the same data about motorization

                  In the USSR in 1970, there were 1000 cars per 5.5 people.
                  In the United States in 1970, there were 1000 cars per 250 people.

                  Massively - how is it? What period? What statistics do you have on this topic?

                  Hundreds of thousands before the wall was built, lists of refugees from eastern Germany for 1951-1954.
                  year - thousand people
                  1951 - 165.648
                  1952 - 182.393
                  1953 - 331.390
                  1954 - 184.198

                  And if everything was good, the events of June 17, 1953 would not have happened.
                  1. Userpic
                    Userpic 15 October 2014 18: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: Silumin
                    In the USSR in 1970, there were 1000 cars per 5.5 people.
                    In the USA in 1970, there were 1000 cars per 250 people
                    Yes, a car is an indicator, so important that it’s about the availability and development of public transport, medicine, education, social guarantees, etc. can not remember. )))

                    1951 - 165.648
                    1952 - 182.393
                    1953 - 331.390
                    1954 - 184.198
                    How much in %% of the population?

                    And if everything was good, the events of June 17, 1953 would not have happened.
                    What is the social structure of the defectors, that is, how many of them fled for ideological reasons (including young people with brainwashed), how many because of the crimes committed (including undetected fascists), and how many for economic reasons (our topic? )

                    And a link to the source of statistical data, if not difficult.
                    1. Silumin
                      Silumin 15 October 2014 18: 42
                      0
                      Yes, a car is an indicator, so important that it’s about the availability and development of public transport, medicine, education, social guarantees, etc. can not remember. )))


                      Do you think that this was not the case in the USA or Europe?

                      How much in %% of the population?


                      Alas, I don’t know, there are no static data for these years.
                      Or is this not an indicator that almost a million people defected to Germany in just three years?

                      And a link to the source of statistical data, if not difficult.


                      http://www.bstu.bund.de/DE/Wissen/DDRGeschichte/17-juni-1953/Ursachen-des-Aufsta
                      nds / _node.html
                      1. Userpic
                        Userpic 15 October 2014 19: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: Silumin
                        Do you think that this was not the case in the USA or Europe?
                        Why not? It was, it was simply not publicly available.

                        Or is this not an indicator that almost a million people defected to Germany in just three years?
                        Not an indicator - you need to look at the entire period in %% of the number, as well as the structure of defectors.
                      2. Silumin
                        Silumin 15 October 2014 21: 42
                        -1
                        Why not? It was, it was simply not publicly available.


                        Why so? The middle class in the US could afford a car, but could not afford medical care?


                        Not an indicator - you need to look at the entire period in %% of the number, as well as the structure of defectors.


                        Well, not an indicator is not an indicator. The fact that in three years almost a million people fled from the "socialist paradise" is not an indicator.

                        as well as the structure of defectors.


                        First of all, they were skilled workers and engineers.
                      3. Userpic
                        Userpic 15 October 2014 22: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Silumin
                        The middle class in the US could afford a car, but could not afford medical care?
                        And what's so surprising about that? The grandmother got out, including due to the declared health care reform regarding the increase in social guarantees for layers without medical insurance - and this was in the 21st century. And what happened in the early to mid-20th?


                        The fact that in three years almost a million people fled from the "socialist paradise" is not an indicator
                        How many of them fled to "capitalist hell" because of the poor economic situation, and not because of persecution for their activities during the war - this is important, not the fact itself. And the reasons can be different.

                        First of all, they were skilled workers and engineers.
                        Apparently accustomed to receive more than they earned))) (infa to the account of highly qualified from the same place?)
                      4. Kindof
                        Kindof 22 October 2014 12: 43
                        0
                        Quote: Userpic
                        How many of them fled to "capitalist hell" because of the poor economic situation, and not because of persecution for their activities during the war - this is important, not the fact itself.


                        As the recent history of Ukraine (23 years of preparation for the fascist coup) shows, these ideological persecutors have a habit of returning - either themselves or in the face of their children and grandchildren infected with the brown plague.
                        Having the support of the brave shtatovskie "suits", upon their return, they feel invincible and unpunished - which can be read on the faces of the Kiev junta.
          2. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 16 October 2014 20: 58
            0
            Quote: Silumin
            And you see, under capitalism, life was better.

            If you are such an opponent of socialism, then who had a better life under Chancellor Adolf? Do not put "chosen people" outside the brackets!
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 15 October 2014 20: 42
          0
          Quote: calocha
          One bathhouse for five and six huts (thanks to the cleanliness, the plague passed us, unlike Europe, which had already cut it out by half) ...

          Read about D.M. Balashov about Simeon the Proud or L.N. Gumilyov about the same era. Cleanliness, cleanliness, but the plague mowed down mainly the corrupt urban population and the surviving, newly arrived in cities and towns Rusichs gave birth to those heroes who came out to fight the usurper Mamai.
    3. alicante11
      15 October 2014 11: 50
      +1
      Mixed in a bunch .. horses, people. The author scares the RED PROJECT ?!


      Dear, did you read the article :)? Maybe then they would understand that I’m not scaring, but rather, I urge him :).
      1. calocha
        calocha 15 October 2014 12: 07
        0
        You can even break a fool ... or a big chunk of throat! These proverbs are familiar to you? Will you go on quietly! Russia must mature after New Russia and ... bloodless! You just need to change the power vertical with a dozen people except Putin and EVERYTHING !
        1. alicante11
          15 October 2014 12: 37
          -1
          It is only necessary to change the power vertical with a dozen people except Putin and EVERYTHING!


          Dear calocha, well, do not offend you GDP. Do not make him a weakling and a fool! He’s not like that, he’s just a convinced capitalist and protege of the oligarchs. But this is not a reason to belittle his dignity.
    4. ovgorskiy
      ovgorskiy 15 October 2014 12: 04
      -1
      Kolosha, that's how you destroyed the Union. No arguments, justifications, only empty slogans about decaying capitalism, a bright future and inevitable communism, which the communists themselves did not believe in. Communism as a form of government within the state is impossible. Alternatively, it is possible within a community, such as Israeli public villages, monasteries, etc. where people are united by faith, and those who do not believe leave. Moreover, the building of communism on the basis of socialism is impossible. I would rather believe that communism will be built in such a "decaying" capitalism as Switzerland, Sweden, etc., where unemployment benefits and social benefits are 2 times higher than our average salary. And who told you that it was fair in the USSR. "He who does not work eats" (c), this is the real state of affairs in the Union. So I am categorically against a return to socialism and people like me are the majority. I am for a moderately liberal welfare state and against a predatory oligarchy.
      1. alicante11
        15 October 2014 12: 39
        -2
        Please do not speak for everyone. Look at the vote on my articles on socialism. There, the alignment is about 50-50. So what about the majority is not necessary, huh?
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  16. Drmadfisher
    Drmadfisher 15 October 2014 10: 19
    +1
    [media=http://videochart.net/video/40372.4d33bcb15ccad37ebbcbe86f4161]
    the truth about Lugansk airport laughing
  17. rotor
    rotor 15 October 2014 10: 27
    +3
    There we need real communists, who must firmly, in the style of October 1917, take power and confront the leadership of Russia with the fact of Red New Russia.


    Oops, the author issued at the end. Money bags just need to be kept out of power and taxed, that's all, and the author suffered in red.

    And the time to disconnect Novorossia, as the Strelkov wants, has not yet come. Ukraine is not lost yet.
    1. Tor hummer
      Tor hummer 15 October 2014 10: 32
      +2
      Quote: rotor
      Oops, the author issued at the end. Money bags just need to be kept out of power and taxed, that's all, and the author suffered in red.

      Yes, they always come down to one thing:
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 15 October 2014 10: 42
      +1
      Quote: rotor
      Oops, the author issued at the end. Money bags just need to be kept out of power and taxed, that's all, and the author suffered in red.


      No power comes without financial support.
    3. alicante11
      15 October 2014 12: 25
      0
      Money bags just need to be kept out of power and taxed, that's all, and the author suffered in red.


      And how can you do this? They have money, so they can buy everything and everyone. No country could limit the power of money except the USSR.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 15 October 2014 16: 00
        +2
        But the USSR was a "country of cronyism". According to Raikin - "who sits in the first row? Head of warehouse, tavaraved, dierektar shop", from the same place - "let us have everything, but ma-a-scarlet garbage is not enough. The deficit is called"
        1. alicante11
          16 October 2014 03: 55
          +1
          But the USSR was a "country of cronyism".


          And now there is cronyism - try to get a well-paid and not dusty job without cronyism, and financial stratification is also a burden. So it would be better to return to the "cronyism", which was not so much and which did not stick out as much as the modern nouveau riche stick out their "lifestyle".
  18. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 15 October 2014 10: 29
    +3
    El-Murid in the frame ("Just went to see? ..")
    1. Gorinich
      Gorinich 15 October 2014 14: 44
      0
      Actually, Musin is also in the photo. It should be noted that both of them are journalists ...
  19. Gardamir
    Gardamir 15 October 2014 10: 37
    +1
    I will not tire of repeating. The discharge of New Russia is not possible for only one reason. Nobody even tried to create a free New Russia.
  20. Magadan
    Magadan 15 October 2014 10: 50
    +1
    The Plum Party will simply feverishly change tactics. Offshore confused that the authorities, through their media-kept women, tried to soar in the summer about "America-wants-to-inflict us" and "Miners are sitting on a Pop". It didn't work out convincingly. We understand who is now in power in dill. And we remember who our grandfathers fought against.
    The military drain did not come out. To convince us that merging Novorossia is normal, also failed. From the conversation in the smoking-room, I can say for sure that one conversation was enough for the 20 person to understand HOW everything is serious and that they should give a damn about everything and defeat the Natsiks.

    Now here is a new, but well-predictable move - to destroy Novorossia from the inside. Like "Donbassians themselves For EdinuKrainu".
    Undercover pressure on the Militias through supply restrictions. Poor information war attempts against the Idealists (Strelkov, Mozgovoy, Gubarev, Dugin, Kotz and Steshin class journalists, etc.)
    Our business is not to pass by and spread rot on such "cunning-assed authors". And also think about how to ensure the financial independence of the militia from all this pack from the plum party
  21. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 15 October 2014 10: 58
    +1
    I believe, Strelkov, I believe Mozgovoy, and I believe El Murid too, but I don’t believe this author, why? simply because he is against the people, his whole essence is to please those in power. This is all that you can write without violating the rules of the site, everything else I’m sure will understand me without words.
    1. alicante11
      15 October 2014 12: 28
      +1
      simply because he is against the people, his whole essence is to please those in power.


      And what is my "pleasing those in power"? That I urge to remove them from the construction of Novorossiya? To take the spoils from the oligarchs, is this now called "against the people"? Cool definitions have gone. Straight in the style of Nesmiyan, whom you believe :).
      1. Normal
        Normal 15 October 2014 16: 18
        +4
        Quote: alicante11
        And what is my "pleasing those in power"?


        In the trough in front of GDP and waving the bogeyman Maidan
        1. alicante11
          16 October 2014 03: 57
          +1
          In the trough in front of GDP and waving the bogeyman Maidan


          The first one you probably dreamed in a dream, in fact, in fact, my proposal just in this case to make him a "red goat" in Novorossiya. That does not take away respect for him as a very strong politician and does not take away his services to Russia. And the second is a real danger.
  22. aleks700
    aleks700 15 October 2014 11: 09
    -1
    It is clear that it is not possible to restore New Russia under oligarchic capitalism. Restore need NEP. State forces to restore the heavy. industry, and small business will pull the rest, just do not interfere. But who will give?
  23. avryz
    avryz 15 October 2014 12: 00
    -1
    It is impossible to build a neoligarchic welfare state in a single region, surrounded and cooperating with oligarchic "partners". It is simply IMPOSSIBLE. Changes must cover at least a few "players"
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 15 October 2014 17: 27
      +1
      Perhaps not possible. But you have to try. Only themselves can help. Well, it’s clear that they are not oligarchs.
  24. 3vs
    3vs 15 October 2014 12: 01
    +1
    Again "Aliki Kantory" they are calling us to communism!
    Enough!
    Who has not played enough - build communism in Israel!
    1. Sour
      Sour 15 October 2014 14: 16
      -2
      Quote: 3vs
      Who has not played enough - build communism in Israel!

      They are not fools, they pity their country.
      I would also love to build communism in the USA. And I would divide them into "union republics". Here amerikocov do not mind a single gram. I do not feel sorry for a foreign country, just as the "cantors" do not feel sorry for Russia.
      1. Silumin
        Silumin 15 October 2014 15: 07
        0
        What is true is true.
      2. aleks700
        aleks700 15 October 2014 17: 35
        0
        Quote: 3vs
        Who has not played enough - build communism in Israel!
        They are not fools, they pity their country.
        I would also love to build communism in the USA. And I would divide them into "union republics". Here amerikocov do not mind a single gram. I do not feel sorry for a foreign country, just as the "cantors" do not feel sorry for Russia.
        Have you heard anything about kibbutzim?
        1. 3vs
          3vs 15 October 2014 21: 07
          -1
          Here, to all lovers of communism in Russia - the road to kibbutzim!
          Karl Marx to help them.
          1. DRA-88
            DRA-88 15 October 2014 21: 14
            +2
            Quote: 3vs
            Here, to all lovers of communism in Russia - the road to kibbutzim!

            Why do you swear?
            Quote: 3vs
            Karl Marx to help them.

            Have you read too?
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  26. Fox
    Fox 15 October 2014 12: 20
    +3
    All talk about Russia's "cunning" plan is complete nonsense. There is no plan. Russia's actions in the Ukrainian conflict are situational in nature and are not elements of some calculated multi-step combination. Much can be said about how many fatal mistakes were made on the part of Russia.

    But now this is not about that. All Russian people, all Slavs care about the main question: How long? To what extent Russia will shamefully retreat and cave in under America with Europe. How could one shake hands with the ukrofascist Fuhrer valtsman, on whose conscience there are thousands of tortured and killed Russian people. At the same time, to declare this ghoul and the bloodsucker contractable. He had never said a word of truth.

    How great and mighty Russia did not bow to the West: "Excuse me, please, be so kind," etc. etc., all the same received both full sanctions and accusations of all mortal sins. So was it worth it to humiliate yourself in front of the clown barrack and his sworn girlfriend angelina.

    And what is the fascist junta doing in the territories it occupied? It just goes beyond human perception of reality. Just some kind of phantasmagoria. And everything is simple: "impunity breeds permissiveness."

    You can rant for a long time on this topic, but I just want to voice my point of view:
    << In order for Russia to get rid of the neighborhood with a drunk monkey with a grenade in hand, you just need to return I.I. Strelkov to the leadership of Novorossia. And that's it! The rest will be done by Novorossiya itself. Bandera-fascist evil spirits must be burned out with a hot iron, so that even the spirit of this muck does not remain on Russian soil. >>
  27. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 15 October 2014 12: 30
    0
    Bravo author! God grant ...
  28. ovgorskiy
    ovgorskiy 15 October 2014 12: 34
    +1
    This gang-leika Dugin, Korovin and a company of aggressive anarchists with a brown bias disguised as patriots. They are fighting everyone, Putin, oligarchs, communists. It is these individuals who shout the most "leaked" and turn everyone against everyone in Novorossiya. The fact that the leadership of Novorossiya is arguing among themselves is normal, this is the formation of statehood and without disputes among themselves this is not possible, but they DO NOT have radically different goals. They are all for an independent Novorossiya (DPR, LPR). And Dugin's gang present disputes as insurmountable contradictions. Already they are shouting about orders for the elimination, riots and shootings. One gets the impression that this gang is working for the SBU dill. Note, never and no where do they give facts. Not a single word of what and when Surkov said, when and where he "leaked" someone, who and how intervened in the affairs of HP from among the oligarchs. Everything is at the level of attracted conjectures and assumptions. This gang is the most real and dangerous 5th column, posing as patriots.
  29. Russian_German
    Russian_German 15 October 2014 13: 01
    +1
    Quote: Roman1970
    No, here it’s definitely not necessary to return to communism!

    What do you know about communism? Any idea, even the best one, can be perverted by putting de.6ils or moral monsters at the head of its implementation. For example, the swastika, the Aryan symbol of happiness. The fascists perverted it and now it is perceived as a symbol of fascism. It's the same with Eugenics. Even socialism, not to mention communism, has shown its effectiveness despite the fact that it was headed by people far from justice. After the devastation of the revolution, the civil war, they managed to build an industry that ground all the might of Europe in the Great Patriotic War. And free education, medicine, and some of the best in the world, is that nothing in your opinion? Yes, there were flaws, but they came from the meanness of people, and not from an idea. It is easy to imagine what will happen if a monkey is given, for example, a telescope a reflector. As in the fable "Monkey and Glasses". Before you write something, turn on your brains!
    1. Sour
      Sour 15 October 2014 14: 08
      -1
      Do not boil.
      Quote: Russian_German
      Even socialism, not to mention communism, has been shown to be effective.

      Strongly disagree. It is impossible to show that which is not and was not.
      Quote: Russian_German
      After the collapse of the revolution, civil war managed to build industry

      Only at first did the Communists lower industry (and, for one, agriculture) to almost zero. In 1921, Russia's GDP was 16 times less than in 1916. Not 16%, but 16 times, okay? Having lowered the economy below the baseboard, then it was possible to demonstrate its successful recovery.
      By the way, the growth rates of the USSR economy in the 20-30s were still lower than the pre-revolutionary ones.
      Quote: Russian_German
      A free education, medetsina, and some of the best in the world,

      "Medicine" is spelled with "-i". And I know the value of our medicine, as well as education.
      Quote: Russian_German
      Yes, there were flaws, but they came from the meanness of people, and not from the idea.

      The disadvantages came precisely from the idea. And they were not fatal by any reforms. The whole problem is that socialism was not able to evaluate the profitability or loss-making of production (that is, its effectiveness), because the socialist economy developed under conditions of arbitrarily set prices, both wholesale and retail. It is impossible to correctly calculate production efficiency if prices are imposed from above. Not a single genius can do this. It was the inefficiency of the economy that eventually strangled socialism, and this was inevitable.
      In fact, socialism killed the laws of mathematics.
      In addition, a private initiative in the economy was declared unnecessary and harmful. And without it you can’t, no matter how you try. You can’t replace it with anything.
      Quote: Russian_German
      What do you know about communism?

      What do you know about him? Did you live in those days? More than sure that they did not live, otherwise they would not have been crucified about the effectiveness of socialism.
      Who was then an adult, he knows the price of socialism.
      "Socialism is the economic policy of the masses who have no understanding of the nature of economic activity. Socialist theory is the result of their approach to economic issues. It was created and supported by those for whom economic life is hostile, who do not understand it." (Ludwig von Mises)
      1. alicante11
        15 October 2014 14: 49
        +1
        Only at first did the Communists lower industry (and, for one, agriculture) to almost zero. In 1921, Russia's GDP was 16 times less than in 1916. Not 16%, but 16 times, okay? Having lowered the economy below the baseboard, then it was possible to demonstrate its successful recovery.
        By the way, the growth rates of the USSR economy in the 20-30s were still lower than the pre-revolutionary ones.


        If this were so, then in 1941 the shell and cartridge hunger of 1915 would have repeated. Do not mislead people.
        1. Sour
          Sour 15 October 2014 15: 07
          +1
          Quote: alicante11
          shell and ammunition famine of 1915.

          Which was largely eliminated by the summer of 1916, without any party meetings and without Lend-Lease naval caravans.
          And in general, comparing these two wars is Komunyak's favorite trick. They pretend to compare two systems. But in fact - two time periods, two stages of industrial development.
          If not for the revolution, our economy in 1941 would have been much stronger than under the communists.
          Quote: alicante11
          Do not mislead people.

          Anyone but the Communists should utter this phrase. A communist calling for truth is just like a cannibal calling for humanism.
          1. alicante11
            16 October 2014 04: 04
            +1
            Which was largely eliminated by the summer of 1916, without any party meetings and without Lend-Lease naval caravans.


            Well, it's you telling bedtime stories to the kids. As soon as the allies in 1915 filled their armies with enough weapons and ammunition, so it began to fall over to us. But they still could not cope. In addition, in the 41st and two years of shell hunger there wasn’t.

            And in general, comparing these two wars is Komunyak's favorite trick. They pretend to compare two systems. But in fact - two time periods, two stages of industrial development.
            If not for the revolution, our economy in 1941 would have been much stronger than under the communists.


            Why would the economy be better off? "Kommunyaks" directed all resources to the development of the economy, and "capitalists" most of them into their pockets, to foreign accounts and to foreign economies. You, at least with what is happening now, compare. For 23 years, what were the "commies" able to do by 1941, and at the same time, taking into account the civil war for 4-5 years, and what did the capitalists "achieve"?

            Anyone but the Communists should utter this phrase. A communist calling for truth is just like a cannibal calling for humanism.


            Anyone but the capitalists should utter this phrase. It is the same as if the oligarch would live on the salary of a school teacher.
            1. Oldwiser
              Oldwiser 16 October 2014 14: 13
              0
              Bravo, Alicante! If it were not for the 15-year-old tie, I would have jumped to the store right now, bought a bottle of "Alicante" and drank it - to your health!
              Especially moved
              Quote: alicante11
              the oligarch would live on the salary of a school teacher
        2. Silumin
          Silumin 15 October 2014 15: 09
          +3
          If this were so, then in 1941 the shell and cartridge hunger of 1915 would have repeated. Do not mislead people.


          But didn’t he repeat himself? But what about the lack of rifles, ammunition, food in the early years of the war?

          Do not idealize the USSR, until the 70s it was not at all that you remembered it.
          1. Sour
            Sour 15 October 2014 15: 19
            +1
            Quote: Silumin
            Until the 70s, he was not at all whom you remembered him.

            Personally, I remember him until the 70s, although not very.
            But fact is fact. Since the late 60s, it was possible to more or less maintain a standard of living only due to growing oil exports. If not for him, then socialism would have died 20 years earlier. Many old Bolsheviks would have survived before its collapse.
            Now the communists are yelling the most about the "oil needle", but it was they who put Russia on it. And it was due to this needle that they ruled until the early 90s.
            Quote: Silumin
            But what about the lack of rifles, cartridges,

            Before the war, there were enough cartridges. But too large reserves were for some reason moved to the western districts, and then left to the Germans there. Because they draped, unfortunately, headlong. Much faster and further draped than even in 1915. But this is a separate issue, here the problem is not only in the ruling regime.
            Quote: Silumin
            food

            But this is an interesting topic. Per capita production of basic types of food in the USSR almost did not grow. And in 1960, grain imports began - a shame on Russia.
            1. Silumin
              Silumin 15 October 2014 15: 33
              0
              As for me, socialism is designed only for illiterate selyuk who want to take and share with envy, live happily ever after and do nothing.
              1. Sour
                Sour 15 October 2014 15: 45
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                Quote: Silumin
                socialism is designed only for illiterate Selyuk,

                It is no accident that the Communists themselves, without outside help, came to power only in countries with a predominance of rural population (Russia, Mongolia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Kampuchea, Laos, Ethiopia).
                In more or less urbanized countries (such as Czechoslovakia or East Germany), socialism came on the armor of our tanks.
                This point of Marxist theory does not explain. After all, according to Marx, socialism was first to win in industrialized countries. But no, it didn’t work out. Everything turned out the other way around.
                Which once again suggests that communism is refuted even by itself. The practice of communism easily refutes his own theory.
                What is the conclusion? A very simple ideology divorced from science.
                1. Silumin
                  Silumin 15 October 2014 15: 51
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                  What is the conclusion? A very simple ideology divorced from science.

                  I agree with every word.
                  1. 11111mail.ru
                    11111mail.ru 15 October 2014 20: 50
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                    [quote = Sour] Quote:

                    [quote = Silumin] Quote: Silumin
                    socialism is designed only for illiterate Selyuk,
                    It is no accident that the Communists themselves, without outside help, came to power only in countries with a predominance of rural population (Russia, Mongolia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Kampuchea, Laos, Ethiopia).
                    In more or less urbanized countries (such as Czechoslovakia or East Germany), socialism came on the armor of our tanks.
                    This point of Marxist theory does not explain. After all, according to Marx, socialism was first to win in industrialized countries. But no, it didn’t work out. Everything turned out the other way around.
                    Which once again suggests that communism is refuted even by itself. The practice of communism easily refutes his own theory.
                    What is the conclusion? A very simple ideology divorced from science.
                    Silumin Today, 15:51 ↑
                    What is the conclusion? Very simple - an ideology divorced from science. [/ Quote]
                    What a touching unity! "Two lonely hearts, So want to keep warm, Two lonely hearts, Two wings, Fly towards the wind."
                    1. Silumin
                      Silumin 15 October 2014 21: 44
                      +1
                      What a touching unity! "Two lonely hearts, So want to keep warm, Two lonely hearts, Two wings, Fly towards the wind."


                      You are more Sovietophiles laughing And each other mountain laughing
          2. alicante11
            16 October 2014 04: 08
            +1
            But didn’t he repeat himself? But what about the lack of rifles, ammunition, food in the early years of the war?


            Give examples of such a "hunger" comparable to that in WWI. The USSR was able to restore the regular army by winter, which was almost completely defeated in the summer of 1941. It says something.
            As for food, yes, there was famine, because much less than the population of the USSR lived in the village, while the village was still the main donor of replenishment for the Red Army.
    2. Silumin
      Silumin 15 October 2014 15: 16
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      free education, medetsina, and some of the best in the world, is that nothing in your opinion?


      Full schooling in the USSR became free only by 1970, before that there was only a seven-year school. Want to learn further pay denyuzhku. But rotting capitalists have had free schooling since the 19th century.

      But Soviet medicine generally disappears: drink aspirin, eat lemons and honey. I can tell you about dentistry by way of personal example, a female dentist in years removed my decayed milk tooth next to the molars that had just come out, and what do you think was removed? It has just crawled out indigenous.
      I did not trust Soviet medicine (though Russian, too).
      1. Sour
        Sour 15 October 2014 15: 24
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        Quote: Silumin
        Full schooling in the USSR became free only by 1970,

        It was free, but not required.
        In the 40s, many schools did not finish. My father went to war without finishing school. He left his mother and three young brothers. His father (my grandfather) already fought at that time.
        By the way, he fought for Russia, and not for communism, which made him a collective farm laborer from the owner. But he fought well and died in February 1945. And there were a majority like him in the Red Army.
        1. Silumin
          Silumin 15 October 2014 15: 40
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          It was free, but not required.


          Only 7 classes are free, but a higher school, technical school, and a tower are paid.

          By the way, he fought for Russia, and not for communism, which made him a collective farm laborer from the owner. But he fought well and died in February 1945. And there were a majority like him in the Red Army.


          My two grandfathers are also not for communism, they fought for their homeland, for their families.
          which of the owner made him a collective farm laborer.

          Similarly.

          They went through the whole war, one of the grandfathers even fined beat.
          1. Sour
            Sour 15 October 2014 15: 59
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            My maternal grandfather died in 1943, when crossing the Dnieper. More precisely, he went missing. He has the entire platoon, including the commander, is still missing.
            A paternal grandfather died already in Germany.
            My father remained alive, and even fought with the Japanese.
            In general, there were a lot of relatives who fought. Without exception, except one of the grandmother's brothers, the villagers. From them I learned a lot of interesting things about the war, and about collectivization.
            Great-grandfather fought in WWI, I did not know him, he died in 1936.
            But he knew his grandmother’s uncle well, fought in the WWII and the Civil (for the Reds), died in 1989. He, a participant in the Sivash crossing, was nearly put in prison for campaigning against a collective farm in 1934. Only the heroic Red Army past saved.
            This is how our ancestors lived. Not everyone knows about it.
            1. Silumin
              Silumin 15 October 2014 16: 14
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              My great-grandfather fought in WWI from the mother’s side, he was a Cossack, they lived on a farm, they shot the whole family in 1919 (except for his grandfather, he managed to escape).

              the great-grandfather on his father's side had his own mill and a land plot, which his father (my great-great-grandfather) was given for service during the reign of the tsars. As a result, the mill was "privatized" by the Bolsheviks.
              1. Sour
                Sour 15 October 2014 16: 38
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                Quote: Silumin
                земельный участок

                Yes, it was full of such. sad
                My paternal great-grandfather went to war only in 1916, in the third place, because he was not young. After WWI, he was very ill, he no longer kept his former farm. Yes, and it was dangerous, they could "expropriate".
                My father showed me: "Here my grandfather had land."
                It turns out that before the revolution he had 22 tithes. Not the coolest landlord in the village, but still. Of these, 6 acres are allotted, and the rest are his own. And not received from the king for service, but bought from a landowner for money earned by personal hard labor.
                And the hell was a revolution? She only needed the drones, not the workers.
                By the way, by 1917, the local landowner slowly sold all his land to local peasants, except for the estate. When the revolution broke out, he had nothing to take away from him except the estate. And by that time he himself had died in WWII.
              2. Cenij150814
                Cenij150814 15 October 2014 17: 10
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                So you are offended! My great-grandfather was also, an extremely prosperous "peasant" after the revolution, he left himself one cow and a dozen and a half beehives, later he worked on the collective farm as not the last person, no one from the family suffered, "I don't know why"
                1. Silumin
                  Silumin 15 October 2014 17: 49
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                  So you are offended! My great-grandfather was also, an extremely prosperous "peasant" after the revolution, he left himself one cow and a dozen and a half beehives, later he worked on the collective farm as not the last person, no one from the family suffered, "I don't know why"


                  And then offended or not offended?

                  The socialist system turned out to be the most short-lived and the most precarious, why do we need it again?
                  1. Cenij150814
                    Cenij150814 15 October 2014 18: 10
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                    Quote: Silumin
                    The socialist system turned out to be the most short-lived and the most precarious

                    However, these two "most" are clearly not enough to abandon this idea, and if we compare (and as we know, everything is learned in comparison) by these "very", then other modern "lines" generally have no chance, I mean for most of course!
                    1. Silumin
                      Silumin 15 October 2014 18: 15
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                      However, these two "most" are clearly not enough to abandon this idea.


                      That's enough.

                      yes, even if we compare (and as we know, everything is learned in comparison) by these "very", then other modern "lines" have no chance at all


                      This was said back in the 60s of the last century: the rotting west rots.
                      As a result, the USSR decayed and collapsed, and the same states are more alive than all the living.
                      1. Cenij150814
                        Cenij150814 15 October 2014 18: 32
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                        Quote: Silumin
                        That's enough.

                        This is called radicalism. in your case erroneous!
                        Quote: Silumin
                        As a result, the USSR rotted and fell apart

                        This is not a flaw in the system, but the fault of certain people, including those offended!
                        Quote: Silumin
                        and the same states (west) are more alive than all living things.

                        You will tell the Indians, at least until 1947, the Africans, the Soviet people during and after the collapse of the USSR, etc., etc., well, in principle, to the majority of which I spoke.
                      2. Silumin
                        Silumin 15 October 2014 18: 47
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                        This is called radicalism. in your case erroneous!

                        Call it what you want.

                        This is not a flaw in the system, but the fault of certain people, including those offended!


                        And what kind of system is it that it can be ruined by a drop in oil prices and some individuals?

                        You will tell the Indians, at least until 1947, the Africans, the Soviet people during and after the collapse of the USSR, etc., etc., well, in principle, to the majority of which I spoke.


                        That is, to accept the truth that the West is more alive than all living things, and that you and your grandchildren can’t? So it is your problem that you deny real life.
                      3. Cenij150814
                        Cenij150814 15 October 2014 19: 02
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                        Quote: Silumin
                        oil price drop

                        Oil was only one of the reasons and far from decisive, and who told you that everything should be smooth, for "paradise" must be fought, oh yes, it was necessary!
                        Quote: Silumin
                        That is, to accept the truth that the West is more alive than all living things, and that you and your grandchildren can’t? So it is your problem that you deny real life.

                        You are in trouble if you consider the "vampire" alive!
          2. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 16 October 2014 21: 14
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            Quote: Silumin
            Only 7 classes are free, but a higher school, technical school, and a tower are paid

            I learn interesting things about myself! 1971-1975 gg = technical school (secondary special education); 1975-1980 = Institute (higher vocational education. Neither I nor my parents paid a dime. He received a scholarship (increased in a technical school). He lived in dormitories for almost 9 years. The fee is purely symbolic. He graduated from the institute in June 1980. So lie more quietly about those things that people remember.
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 15 October 2014 16: 03
        +1
        good
        Quote: Silumin
        I did not trust Soviet medicine (though Russian, too).
  30. cyberhanter
    cyberhanter 15 October 2014 13: 33
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    Drive to El-Murida is the last thing :)
  31. Belarus
    Belarus 15 October 2014 13: 50
    -1


    A curious video about the election and suggestive
  32. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 15 October 2014 13: 58
    +1
    Well, the excuse for the sixth column has begun. What have we been waiting for a month. It turns out who fought, everyone is bad, they do not understand the Kremlin's "strategy." Well, in the Kremlin, where three-quarters of the liberals sit, all are good. Well, we, stupid-faced, we do not understand that being friends with Poroshenko is great, when they spit in your face in the West, and you look with betrayed eyes, it's just great when the ministers of a neighboring state with the audience stunned by impunity are singing about President-Putin x ... lo lyalya- this is the height of friendship and brotherhood between peoples, when in the so-called "truce" dozens of civilians are killed, this is an excellent reason for trading gas at a discount and in installments, and budget cuts at the expense of the people, higher prices for everything are fools for us, but we do not understand this in any way. Just like a gay man gets fucked in the ass, and we ask you to kiss. Well, where are we stupid to our cleverest power. Thanks to them relatives.
  33. divangeneral
    divangeneral 15 October 2014 14: 30
    -1
    horrible to read such articles
    because of such an excuse for betrayal then there will be war
    the occasion will be Crimea ...
    1. alicante11
      15 October 2014 14: 51
      +2
      You would at least read the article to the end. Or they would not comment.
  34. Gorinich
    Gorinich 15 October 2014 14: 31
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    The author is a "sent Cossack", and the article is thoroughly saturated with the poison of the fifth column.
  35. SHOKER
    SHOKER 15 October 2014 14: 44
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    the article is nonsense to the author minus, built on absolutely absurd quibbles and "thinking out"
  36. Normal
    Normal 15 October 2014 16: 47
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    Yeah..
    What the author has in his head without a pint can not make out.
    But the fact that the author is the same "dugin" is clear.

    For "arc" of all stripes and political views, the whitewashing of the GDP is characteristic, its separation from the actions of its appointees and the desire for a monopoly on love for the Great, they say, only I love Putin, and everyone else is traitors. Another characteristic detail is cramming all of your opponents into the fifth column. Since the five-column "dugins" consider everyone, the coma itself and the VVP itself, there is not enough space in the fifth column and Dugin invented the sixth column.
    And of course, how to do without Maidan in Moscow? This Kremlin horror story should be present always and everywhere.

    Minus article.
    1. alicante11
      16 October 2014 04: 53
      +2
      Minus article.


      I didn’t even doubt you :).
      My question is, where do you see in the article "the separation of appointees from the GDP"? That Surkov received an order from the Kremlin to sort out the situation in the event of a peaceful outcome? Are you all right with logic, dear? Give a quote, or apologize so that you don't look like a spanking. I would also like an example of "whitewashing" the GDP. Or is the fact that Novorossia will not be drained - is it already "whitewashing"? Well, wait for the "drain", then you will say that this is whitewashing. In the meantime, Novorossiya is alive and well and is preparing for the winter, your inventions are all in favor of the poor mind.
      1. Magadan
        Magadan 18 October 2014 07: 45
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        I consider myself a "alarmist". They will try to merge Novorossia. Do not wash by rolling. At this stage - through the collapse from the inside. The militias will quarrel with the "appointees". The appointees will shit in terms of supplies, depriving the VSN of the rear.
        Then the junta hit a thousand tanks (in 3 shifts their plants are already plowing). AND EVERYTHING.
        And like "irreconcilable miners are to blame." And our people from surprise do not know what to do.
        Before that, there was the mantra "America Wants to Eat" and "The Miners Sit On The Backside", now they are beginning to inspire about "wild militias".
        We, the patriots of the sentry, do not "ecstatically wait for the drain of Novorossia."
        We just advance all the moves such as you pull out into God's light. Here the Kurginyakinsky SECT has already been dragged out.
  37. artalex32010
    artalex32010 17 October 2014 23: 53
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    What will I say? In general, the author wrote in the style of "Putin leaked" - all the traitors, everything was ruined, etc. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Communist Party of Ukraine and other official "communist" parties have greatly degraded and are not capable of any actions. As for the real communists, they are very I don’t know for sure, but it looks like the situation in Novorossia is still not the best - Brain and Motorola are not happy with the "truce" and the upcoming elections. The author may be right in some ways, but still it is not worth switching to such defeatist notes , V.V.P. knows how to arrange everything better. As for those who scold the USSR (comments on the top of the topic), I want to say you, at least for the sake of decency, compared the USSR with the Republic of Ingushetia, because even now Russia cannot boast of the power that the USSR had, and even that that RI had, at least be it now even the USSR, even though the RI-Kiev junta would have nailed immediately as soon as it appeared.
  38. An-mi
    An-mi 18 October 2014 03: 02
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    Those who really shed their blood there - they think differently!
    They separated the fighters and both sides are facing each other, and a feeling of resentment from unfinished (not to fight!) Poisons everything around!
    They’ll never return to the past - life is done right away and full!
    Where the Minsk agreements are taxed is known only to God.
    And people do their job as they understand it.
    And those who put their lives at stake - have rights to this life thousand times more than all the politicians of the world!
  39. Prager
    Prager 20 October 2014 15: 34
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    after the elections in dill, the massacre will resume with renewed vigor, with even greater bitterness and hatred. It's like giving a drink.