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Helsinki scam. On the inviolability of borders, which must comply only Russia

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You have noticed, for example, how recently the thesis that Russia, having annexed the Crimea, “destroyed the Helsinki agreements on the inviolability of borders” and did not threaten the “international legal system” went among our Western intellectuals. ? Consequently, Western countries are simply forced to "restrain Russian aggression." For "nothing is more sacred," and so on.

Helsinki scam. On the inviolability of borders, which must comply only Russia


When they begin to give armor-piercing arguments, they suddenly start shouting: what do I care about others ?!

What America is doing is America’s problems!

I live in Russia, I am even a patriot of her, and therefore, her clothes must be clean and immaculate!

Or: what is the matter for me, how cruel, especially in the States, are all these “occupiers” being dispersed ?! What does it matter what time frame they hang participants?

I live in Russia!

Free the "prisoners of Bolotnaya Square" - it is inhuman and unlawful to judge those who, out of democratic feelings, beat the policeman in the head!

Since we live “here”, what does it matter to us that “there” ?!

It is we - we! - should be democratic and humane!

... In fact, this is a very old trick, which the old Odessa sharper used to “roll” at one time: some cunning “student” buys in advance with the most intelligent appearance. And when they bring a “sucker” to “katran” (this, who does not know, is such an “underground casino”, let's say), he, this “intelligent student”, has one task: to ensure that “sucker” does not deviated from a pre-agreed scenario. And in this situation, there is nothing more advantageous than to begin to depict “offended innocence” with a “force raid” by, so to speak, senior criminal comrades.

That is, in principle, the task of these guys is solely to ensure that the “client” sits down at the table and plays with the drivers - I emphasize! - solely “according to their” rules: by the shoulers, it is not necessary to follow these rules for all sorts of understandable reasons.

... The same Helsinki agreements, I recall, were far from being destroyed by us: in particular, the inviolability of the borders of the USSR was spelled out there. And the inviolability of the borders of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, for example. So the “Kosovo precedent” here is only “cherry on the cake”.

And therefore, when some regular conditional gozman starts another mournful and sublime song that “well, you think Kosovo is Serbia, then return Crimea to Ukraine”, you should answer very simply: return Kosovo to Serbs then, maybe we'll talk. And always remember that, most likely, this “conditional” is at least on the ideological (and more often than not) content of the criminal playing with you at the same table.

And yet - in any case, do not be "sucker".
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  1. herruvim
    herruvim 15 October 2014 18: 34
    +50
    It is we - we! - should be democratic and humane!


    We will not be like that, fact. We saw what this led to Ukraine, Yanukovych was also democratic and humane, now in Ukraine chaos and poverty
    1. DRA-88
      DRA-88 15 October 2014 18: 39
      +29
      The precedent for border revisions was created by the very fact of the treacherous collapse of the USSR
      1. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 15 October 2014 21: 09
        +9
        Quote: DRA-88
        The precedent for border revisions was created by the very fact of the treacherous collapse of the USSR

        They are absolutely right. A more heinous crime in relation to international law, various kinds of agreements, conventions ... and not to remember, given the scale. Thanks to the author for the article! The gozman mentioned by him, opening his stinking mouth, spreads the stench of his dead rotting soul. Is it time for this gozman to follow her example? Like all his accomplices. The participation of this vile company in all kinds of talk shows, analytical programs is not pluralism of opinions, not a set of words, but the freedom to commit a state crime with impunity.
      2. fif21
        fif21 15 October 2014 21: 12
        +3
        Quote: DRA-88
        The precedent for border revisions was created by the very fact of the treacherous collapse of the USSR
        They would still remember the Brest Peace or the Yalta Conference. Go partners, you mean that you promised a lot but did not fulfill it. And Russia is free from the obligations of the USSR like you have abandoned their am
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      4. 23 region
        23 region 15 October 2014 22: 23
        +4
        Quote: DRA-88
        The precedent for border revisions was created by the very fact of the treacherous collapse of the USSR

        We will still remember the occupation of the GDR! "Helsinki" you are ours.
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      6. Antor
        Antor 16 October 2014 01: 19
        +10
        And so long as this fact of the collapse of the USSR is not officially recognized as a betrayal, and its participants are violators of the then Constitution of the USSR, we will not go anywhere else! While we will consider Boris Yeltsin the first democratic president of Russia and glorify and be touched by his deeds, until then we have nothing to blame for the Helsinki Act, we ourselves have plunged ourselves into impurities to the joy of our Goizman and their Western masterminds!
        We easily condemned Stalin, his regime, for example in Katyn, and not only, but to condemn the collapse of the USSR in an unconstitutional manner by the Yeltsin regime with our comrades, our gut is thin!
        And this is a very dangerous precedent, because with such blatant impunity in our Russia there may again be three or more villains who are behind a glass of vodka somewhere in some more often or luxurious penthouse
        can again, spit on the current Constitution, and further divide our country into specific principalities!
        What comes of this in the worst possible way can be seen in Ukraine, and if it were not for such a statesman as V. Putin and his like-minded people on this issue, then Russia would hardly be what it is today! Didn’t B. Yeltsin, with a fool or with a drunk, invited all our republics and territories to take as much sovereignty as they can take over and ... the world would never end with us, the chaos of misfortunes would be more widespread than in the dashing 90 years !
        And whoever remembers the Helsinki Act there, the West would applaud the further collapse of Russia, as it is cynically rejoicing today in the fratricidal war in Ukraine and its actual collapse.
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      8. Peacemaker of the USSR
        Peacemaker of the USSR 16 October 2014 16: 40
        +2
        We will return Crimea, for
        the return of the territory of the USSR in the pre-perestroika period, in the same condition
        and with the same PEOPLE ...
        laughing
    2. Sandov
      Sandov 15 October 2014 20: 14
      +4
      Quote: herruvim
      It is we - we! - should be democratic and humane!


      We will not be like that, fact. We saw what this led to Ukraine, Yanukovych was also democratic and humane, now in Ukraine chaos and poverty

      Western cunning liberal creatures are turned inside out to their advantage. Listen to them less; Russia also has its own interests.
    3. Denis fj
      Denis fj 15 October 2014 21: 46
      +6
      Exactly, the West and our liberals are calling on Russia to comply with international law. But the West did not observe it, does not comply, and this right will not be respected. Why is Germany united, but the USSR cannot be restored within the old borders? Why were the Germans called a divided people, and this is not recognized by the Russian people? It is necessary to send this west tries with their right and observe only one right of profit. All that is beneficial to Russia and its people is our RIGHT!
    4. fktrcfylhn61
      fktrcfylhn61 16 October 2014 07: 20
      +1
      By the way, the so-called dictator of Libya, was also democratic? Otherwise, for what reason what happened to him !? Maybe it was not in him, maybe his head was not sick ???
    5. GRAMARI111
      GRAMARI111 16 October 2014 13: 34
      +1
      The degree of madness "incredible sensations about Russia" by some Ukrainian media is growing rapidly. Several Ukrainian news sites reported on the "beginning of the Chinese army invasion of the Far East."
      1. LINKor55
        LINKor55 17 October 2014 15: 35
        0
        What kind of nonsense? And the aliens did not attack Russia? In Ukraine, it looks like all the fly agarics were eaten in a frenzy ... Although Geleta spoke about the use of weapons of mass destruction by us, and Poroshenko - about the defeat of our column ... "He mocked us, Well, crazy, what will you take? ..." (V. Vysotsky )
    6. andrereu74
      andrereu74 16 October 2014 14: 33
      +1
      I think that democracy, like the European Union and its democracy, has long outlived itself, that is, whoever wants it, that way and the dr ... Is it democracy ???
    7. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 16 October 2014 14: 54
      +1
      Quote: herruvim
      That is, in principle, the task of these guys is solely to ensure that the “client” sits down at the table and plays with the drivers - I emphasize! - solely “according to their” rules: by the shoulers, it is not necessary to follow these rules for all sorts of understandable reasons.


      Right! The United States also wanted to spit on the Helsinki and other UN agreements, but this UN is a completely "intelligent student with glasses" bought, and the United States also spits on the treaty on short- and medium-range ground-based missiles, this is already serious because, the rival tells you: come on let's throw the machine guns on our fists, we'll figure it out, you throw it, and he has a revolver in his bosom, so it's better to keep the grenade squeezed, but with the pin pulled out.
    8. assembly
      assembly 16 October 2014 19: 23
      +1
      Yes, he was not a fig, either democratic or humane ... he simply tried to sit on two chairs at once, for which he paid ...
  2. Egoza
    Egoza 15 October 2014 18: 39
    +16
    “Well, you think that Kosovo is Serbia, so return Crimea to Ukraine then”

    Author ++++
    And some of them, who claim to be "unruly borders", should also be reminded that Ukraine still has NO state borders. Administrative only. So what are the questions. By the way, Europe has ALREADY latched onto this. "Until there are borders with Russia, we cannot give you a free-flowing regime." They say that they have already dug a moat 80 km away in the Kharkov region. Nu-nu ... with our successes in construction .... Ukrainians will wait a long time for a visa-free regime.
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 15 October 2014 18: 47
      +3
      he has already renamed it "European Shaft".


      Yatsinyuki's money allocated for the "European Shaft" will be cut and they will live happily
      1. Gecko
        Gecko 15 October 2014 20: 02
        +3
        They will build on the principle of the Zaporizhzhya section, they will not get used to it ...
      2. Foxmara
        Foxmara 15 October 2014 20: 39
        +3
        I look from our side trenches dill themselves dig? moat 3 * 2 meters the most it will be ..
    2. avt
      avt 15 October 2014 18: 57
      +9
      Quote: Egoza
      Author ++++

      Lekuh first posted it on. But I would also add - how some of the liberoids and "human rights activists" stutters about the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact and, as a result, an equal sign in unleashing the World War. ... In this Helsingi charter, Pendostan and Canada and all European states de jure and de facto recognized him for what they actually signed. And also that Petya # 1 after the Northern War, if the Stalinist annexation of the Baltic states does not suit them, BOUGHT from the Swedes all with land for money. laughing
    3. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 15 October 2014 19: 00
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      he has already renamed it "European Shaft".


      Interestingly, he spent a long time over this name?
      1. sgazeev
        sgazeev 15 October 2014 20: 48
        +3
        Quote: B.T.W.
        Quote: Egoza
        he has already renamed it "European Shaft".


        Interestingly, he spent a long time over this name?

        But what is pushing, everything has been written off from history, the ramparts were Atlantic, East, Menerheim, the walls are also not small. Let the Chinese ask how long they built the Great China. And it is better to draw the border along the line of MOLOTOV. laughing
        1. fif21
          fif21 15 October 2014 21: 17
          +1
          Quote: sgazeev
          Let the Chinese be asked how long they built the Great China.
          For your information, the wall was not built by the Chinese, but by another people against the Chinese. fool
          1. yehat
            yehat 16 October 2014 11: 24
            0
            there is no such people "Chinese".
            as for the wall, it was built by the Chinese empire after a very bloody unification of lands.
            1. fif21
              fif21 16 October 2014 15: 58
              +1
              Quote: yehat
              as for the wall, it was built by the Chinese empire after a very bloody unification of lands.
              Brain open a wise guy. The wall is built to defend against attacks from China wassat Do not believe it, ask Anka Chakman.
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      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 16 October 2014 08: 37
        +1
        Tore off from Adolf Aloizych - he also built the "Vostochny Val" along the Dnieper. But it didn't work - they crossed the Dnieper and liberated Kiev.
      3. goose
        goose 16 October 2014 11: 37
        0
        Quote: B.T.W.
        Interestingly, he spent a long time over this name?

        I studied geography at school, and I thought that the "European Val" is the Ural Mountains. Probably, Yatsenyuk taught some other geography.
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  3. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 15 October 2014 18: 40
    +9
    Yeah! In the opinion of our "Westernizing tigers," we Russians are generally "subhuman" because we "have not sufficiently imbued" the Western ideas of democracy and philanthropy. And where is this their philanthropy? They, these "Merikans" love and democratize the "lost" with the help of bombing and assassinations of dissenters Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya ... Do you need more examples?
    1. Goga101
      Goga101 15 October 2014 19: 31
      +10
      Aandrewsir - quote - "In the opinion of our" Westernizing tigers "..." - and when did these bastards become "ours"? all these Makarevich-Akunin and so on and so forth? Did they appoint themselves as our intelligentsia or what? These people hate and despise our people, and therefore they are terrified of it, so if they consider themselves "intelligentsia", then certainly not our country. hi
      Vaughn, recently Makarevich issued an opus - "my country has gone crazy" - a clinical case, one of the main signs of a mental disorder is when the patient is firmly convinced that he is healthy, but everyone around is definitely crazy wassat Well, our people wouldn’t be happy with them, they’d have blown them out of here, no one keeps the blessing, so no, until the last they’ll spoil here, they will try to spread rot angry
      1. lg41
        lg41 15 October 2014 20: 28
        +4
        They are kept by the opportunity to earn, or rather get money from various US funds. For the spread of "dirty tricks" and "rot"
  4. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 15 October 2014 18: 40
    +5
    “Well, you think that Kosovo is Serbia, so return Crimea to Ukraine”, the answer is very simple: but to you ... in both hands!
  5. Ober.K
    Ober.K 15 October 2014 18: 41
    +5
    As the people say: "A double-edged sword!" What in translation means in this context - As you are with Us, so are we with you ... there is no third way !!! Wrong times and wrong customs ... !!! That's all! Are you partners or freeloaders! ???
  6. soviet skytourist
    soviet skytourist 15 October 2014 18: 42
    +12
    comrades and brothers, the Russians, they are hating you and, most importantly, do not give in to the partners, you will always be their enemies, and you must remember the most dangerous internal enemy. You are treated as you yourself allowed them to.
    1. varov14
      varov14 15 October 2014 20: 48
      +4
      Exactly, the state has two enemies, external and internal. If it is possible to use force against an external enemy, attack with larger numbers and with better weapons, finally unexpectedly, especially in an armed conflict and this is not considered immoral, then why the destruction of the internal, most dangerous enemy is considered immoral, they must be crushed.
    2. killganoff
      killganoff 15 October 2014 20: 57
      +5
      And among the 25 hrs there was one bastard who betrayed us for a glass of vodka. 24 people left us, and the 25th, Volodya was called from Shcherbenki, Moscow Region ...

      Muscovites have always been shitty, who served in the army, he knows.
      1. boni592807
        boni592807 16 October 2014 02: 19
        +5
        Yes, Muscovites have always been distinguished, mainly by the level of education and self-esteem, they could check officers for the level of knowledge, and dirty tricks, too, were and are. repeat
        How many native Muscovites remained in Moscow, at least with a level of 3-4 generations at the beginning of the 80s of the last century? Basically, these are long-time newcomers to the limit, but during the period of perestroika-democratization? what Now the question is not about Muscovites, not even about maskquats, just look at the faces of those living there, but about behavior and vocabulary, this is a separate song ...
        I have confidence that there, in the army of the USSR and the Russian Federation, I served more than yours, and there are large personal statistics on life. Friendly advice. Do not hang up labels, especially on a territorial basis on all those living in the territory you have indicated ... This is about “... Muscovites have always been shitty people who served in the army, he knows ...”.
        Read, you, our lamp of truth drinks , maybe a little "soften" or you, are these just personal complexes? sad It happens…

        Moscow Journal G. Vozhzhov N 6 - 2005
        http://mj.rusk.ru/show.php?idar=801071

        Moscow gave the country 188 Heroes of the Soviet Union. Of these, 173 people were born in the capital and 15 in the suburbs, by the time these people were awarded the honorary title that had entered the line of Moscow
        ... The title of Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded (hereinafter, naturally, we are again talking about Muscovites):
        - in the pre-war years (1936-1940) - 13 people;
        - during the Great Patriotic War - 146 people, including in the war with Japan - 2 people (posthumous - 34 people);
        - in the postwar years - 29 people, including 11 for space flights, 9 for the development of new military equipment.
        - There is no information on Afghanistan and Chechnya !!!

        Hero titles awarded for:

        - Ram enemy aircraft in the air. Muscovites pilots produced 6 rams;
        - a fire ram by plane, that is, the direction of a burning, but still amenable to aircraft control to the accumulation of personnel and equipment;
        - tank fire ram - the direction of a burning tank at an enemy machine, other military equipment;
        - undermining an enemy tank by throwing under its tracks with grenades or explosives;
        - destruction of enemy aircraft in air battles and successful combat sorties over the front line - there are 59 such feats for Muscovites.
        - actions in partisan units or underground in the territory occupied by the enemy, etc.
      2. DShB
        DShB 16 October 2014 23: 45
        +1
        Oh, it's not good to hang labels (((((
  7. vdtomsk
    vdtomsk 15 October 2014 18: 43
    +5
    And yet - in any case, do not be "sucker".

    What digging:
    There will be no * suckers * - the current "civilization" will collapse. After all, it is all woven from millions of intertwining threads (chains) * goof-go-go-go-go-go-go ... * In all spheres of life of society, in all its groups and hierarchies.
    Sucker is the same sheep in grazing. Sheep must be grazed and sheared - this is the basic rule (algorithm) of the existence of modern mankind.
    And freedom and democracy are tools. Tools in the competition, helping to disperse the flocks of others and occupy the pasture. In herds, not a single shepherd will allow such nonsense as freedom and democracy. And the goats, bleating about it and knocking the flock - under the knife.
    Read the tan story.
  8. Basarev
    Basarev 15 October 2014 18: 44
    +11
    I will say without irony and sarcasm: in order not to repeat the fate of the countries that built democracy and humanism, we must become totalitarian and bloodthirsty. And human rights and other stupidities are just a trick of the West for many idiots who believe that the United States and Europe speak on equal terms with them.
    1. varov14
      varov14 15 October 2014 21: 06
      +1
      That's right, political freedom is an idea, not a fact. The idea of ​​freedom is not feasible, because no one knows how to use it in moderation.
  9. blizart
    blizart 15 October 2014 18: 46
    +44
    I think I need a non-Russian person to explain to all Russians why everyone hates them. You see, among all peoples who have claims to the Russians, the whole story lies in the field of what is desired, in other words, it is largely alternative. Let's say the Kazakhs: If it weren’t for the years of the Russian occupation, what color would our culture bloom, etc. etc.! Poles: Oh, if then in 1612 there weren’t tons of syud and Susanin, how would we .... Ukrainians are the same with variations, then down the list. And only Russians do not need to prove anything! The darkest Italian winegrower knows the main thing, you cross the border in relations with a Russian, you scoop up in full, not so much later. I don’t communicate with my people. I hate inferiority, I’m Russian, even though I’m Korean
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 15 October 2014 18: 54
      +16
      But I, who grew up with the Koreans in Central Asia, never heard from them that they would run into anyone.
      Even the deportation of the 1930s was never remembered.
      But how many of them were big-headed guys.
      And they didn’t take their heads - they took with their fists.
      ..
      In general, I have only positive impressions from Koreans.
      1. blizart
        blizart 15 October 2014 19: 04
        +6
        Yes thank you. But believe me, it’s still sitting, albeit not as much as in Chechens, Germans, Greeks and Crimean Tatars. It’s just that we possess (as everyone East - Asians have a plastic psyche, plus they are very unpretentious) would you see my grandmother.
        1. doctor
          doctor 15 October 2014 19: 45
          +2
          And I have a Korean girlfriend. good Yes, I have many different ones. Rich, wealthy, playful. Women love me. wink But don’t think I’m not a gigolo. Its 250-300 thousand rubles per month is.
        2. sgazeev
          sgazeev 15 October 2014 20: 56
          +2
          Quote: blizart
          Yes thank you. But believe me, it’s still sitting, albeit not as much as in Chechens, Germans, Greeks and Crimean Tatars. It’s just that we possess (as everyone East - Asians have a plastic psyche, plus they are very unpretentious) would you see my grandmother.

          The East is a delicate matter, does not like sneak. recourse
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 15 October 2014 19: 08
        +4
        Quote: Igarr
        In general, I have only positive impressions from Koreans.

        especially from their salads
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 15 October 2014 19: 17
          +4
          That's right.
          There is no life without carrots.
          A kuksi has not eaten a hundred years .... die-not-stand.
          1. blizart
            blizart 15 October 2014 19: 20
            +7
            I have a Russian wife, Kuksi cooks, Korean women do not stand nearby!
            1. goose
              goose 16 October 2014 11: 42
              0
              sorry, kook-soo, probably?
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          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 15 October 2014 19: 24
            +3
            and fern with meat
            I remember while in Alma-Ata you can choose a salad in the bazaar, you can’t even buy from each a pinch
    2. Iline
      Iline 15 October 2014 18: 56
      +7
      Quote: blizart
      the whole story lies in the area of ​​the desired

      I agree. For some reason, everyone decided that Russia always owed them something. That she is to blame before them. What a fright? In response - bullshit but with a claim to the truth.
      1. Legionnaire14
        Legionnaire14 15 October 2014 19: 47
        +5
        With "agree" Lenin can be rit. BUT! De facto, ON passed laws, on the basis of which, all the sliced ​​republics of the former Union, have territory acquired only thanks to him !!!! They are demolishing monuments to him, like we should do this? Or are we Russians smarter?
    3. sgazeev
      sgazeev 15 October 2014 20: 53
      +3
      Quote: blizart
      I think I need a non-Russian person to explain to all Russians why everyone hates them. You see, among all peoples who have claims to the Russians, the whole story lies in the field of what is desired, in other words, it is largely alternative. Let's say the Kazakhs: If it weren’t for the years of the Russian occupation, what color would our culture bloom, etc. etc.! Poles: Oh, if then in 1612 there weren’t tons of syud and Susanin, how would we .... Ukrainians are the same with variations, then down the list. And only Russians do not need to prove anything! The darkest Italian winegrower knows the main thing, you cross the border in relations with a Russian, you scoop up in full, not so much later. I don’t communicate with my people. I hate inferiority, I’m Russian, even though I’m Korean

      Russian in spirit, in solidarity. drinks
    4. boni592807
      boni592807 16 October 2014 02: 45
      +1
      Thank you, for sure, briefly and essence!
    5. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 17 October 2014 12: 28
      +2
      Quote: blizart
      I do not communicate with my people
      I will be brief - mankurt ..
      Quote: blizart
      We just possess (like everything East - Asians have a plastic psyche
      The spine is also plastic ..
  10. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 15 October 2014 18: 47
    +4
    therefore, when some ordinary conditional gozman starts another mournful and sublime song that “well, you think that Kosovo is Serbia, then return Crimea to Ukraine”, the answer is very simple: but return Kosovo to the Serbs, then - maybe we'll talk.

    I don’t understand at all why it is necessary to listen to the delusions of "conditional gozmans", he voices what he was paid for. So does it even make sense to ask his opinion, ask the opinion dealer right away, and let the "conditional gozman" go fuck himself. am
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 15 October 2014 20: 04
      +7
      Well, that’s all right: we believe that (or rather, we know for sure) that Kosovo is Serbia, and Crimea is Russia, respectively. And Serbia thinks so. What kind of bargaining ?, Kosovo’s return is a matter of time, Crimean time has come, Kosovo’s turn, recognition of NGOs, South Ossetia.
      What this modern Kosovo lives for, what it produces, justifies NATO’s base. The base will collapse and the Albanians will be washed away from there.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 16 October 2014 08: 46
        +4
        Quote: Siberian
        What does this modern Kosovo live with?

        The kingdom of Albanian crime is the transit hub of Afghan heroin; trade in human organs for transplants; supply of s.r.s.-slaves to Turkey and the Middle East; About the corporation of killers, you can not talk.
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 October 2014 18: 48
    +6
    And we will no longer allow ourselves to wipe our feet on ourselves. And who will try, we will pull them out. For good. Having the Strategic Missile Forces in full combat readiness, you can afford a lot. Without even applying it. So to say, with a good word and a gun you can achieve much more than just a good word.
  12. mivmim
    mivmim 15 October 2014 18: 49
    +6
    And we are only to blame for what they want to eat.
  13. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 15 October 2014 18: 55
    +3
    It would be good for us Europe and the United States to crank them on our scam. And more. laughing
  14. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 15 October 2014 18: 58
    +4
    Yes, it is necessary to drive these gozmans, Bormans, Shvonderovichs with terry doggies from Russia to hell. Otherwise, they will eat us together with the West.
  15. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 15 October 2014 19: 13
    +9
    In principle, the title of the article already says it all.
    We owe nothing to anyone. And any international agreement is only worth something if it is implemented by all parties. Otherwise, this is a disregard for the national interests of one of the parties. Which is happening.
    No matter how trite, they respect or fear only the strong. With the weak do not stand on ceremony. They are simply told.
    Therefore, the current tantrums around Russia are a recognition of its growing strength.
  16. SAM 5
    SAM 5 15 October 2014 19: 16
    +2
    That we must be democratic and humane!


    We were like that - enough nah
  17. Abbra
    Abbra 15 October 2014 19: 21
    +2
    The Helsinki Treaty violates primarily the United States. The most interesting thing is that, in fact, there is no international and influential organization that would objectively punish the guilty.
  18. m262
    m262 15 October 2014 19: 26
    +3
    Then yesterday the article was about the ambiguous policy of Lukashenko, and so here is the answer from the enemy:
    The National Council of Ukraine banned the broadcast of the Belarusian channel (updated) 236 comments






    October 15, 2014 at 15:01, the news of the day
    TUT.BY

    TV channel logo "Belarus 24"
    The results of the monitoring of the National Council for Television and Radio Broadcasting indicate the presence of anti-Ukrainian propaganda and distortion of information about political events in Ukraine in the program "Human Rights. A View to the World" on the Belarus 24 channel. The press service of the department reported.

    The National Council for Television and Radio Broadcasting at a meeting on October 15 made a decision to ban the broadcast of the Belarusian TV channel Belarus 24 and the Russian TV channel 365 days.
    1. persei
      persei 15 October 2014 19: 41
      +4
      Lukashenka's policy is really ambiguous ... he wanted to sit on two chairs ... pleasing both the West and us ... and the Ukrainians clicked him on the nose .. Their slogan ... "whoever is not with us is against us"
      1. doctor
        doctor 15 October 2014 19: 55
        +1
        Well, now the maydavoshka has a new maneuver. Lukashenko is to blame for everything.
        1. doctor
          doctor 15 October 2014 21: 19
          0
          Or maybe the Poles, Germans, or even Obama. Fuck knows what comes to their mind.
      2. m262
        m262 15 October 2014 21: 11
        +4
        Did you imagine yourself in his place? Of the minerals in the Republic of Belarus, mineral water and potassium salts, when the west announced sanctions on the republic, sales of MTZ, MAZ, BelAZ to the west fell to zero, in Russia it was decided that tractors and trucks are better and cheaper to buy in China, you’ve seen the results ( the truck falls apart at full speed and spreads the gazelle with passengers on asphalt, the tractors break down in the field, and repairs are only in service). The service goes 2 weeks hehe to the harvester, the result we have is no work in the factories, no currency to buy gas in the Russian Federation.
        Remember the recognition of Ossetia, our president told you: they will strangle me with sanctions from the west, if you can with orders and loans, we admit that your Bear began to influence with his tail, and said that there are no tobacco tablets apart, we don’t have fun, that there are 10 million people in our Lukashenko’s words who need to be provided with work, and state employees also with a salary, and in Russia there are inexhaustible reserves of oil, gas, uranium, and damn it !!!
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 15 October 2014 23: 56
          +1
          What are you, brother?
          And what about the Great Sea Power of Belarus? ... which poses a threat to the United States - for the first time, chtoli?
          Jen Psaki herself promised to send the 6th fleet of the US Navy to the shores of Belarus ... are you swollen either? still not dug the channel? Shores not designated in accordance with ISSA?
          ...
          Pinsk swamps - an inexhaustible deposit of rare earth .....
          Pinsk swamps - an inexhaustible range of LONG COMMUNICATIONS ... and new technologies.
          Mozyr deposits ......
          Grodno amphibians of amber ....
          and the exemplary land reclamation system .....
          ...
          Salt, you say ...... xhhhhyyy !!
        2. boni592807
          boni592807 16 October 2014 02: 57
          0
          You're right. It was necessary to observe how the Union State (Belarus and Russia), created on April 2, 1997 [1], had dynamics. Yes, and about Lukashenko, too, a lot of things were said.
  19. Stinger
    Stinger 15 October 2014 19: 31
    +1
    I especially like how Putin's campfire is destroyed on Echo of Moscow for destroying the free press.
  20. Ebundey Mukhryuev
    Ebundey Mukhryuev 15 October 2014 19: 36
    +3
    This international diplomacy got sick of it, with all international diplomats! We got tired of this international news, with all international, special and other correspondents! And we are weak to apply. someday, in the end, finally, the slogan of the great - "I came! I saw! I won!"
    ... or are we NOT WE anymore, and our place in this world is taken by someone else? GREAT? You want to be such that you are reckoned with and respected, so show who you are, make yourself respect! ... but you can’t ... do not torment you ...!
    And then these fucking "sanctioners" or "sykuntsionery" with their shares all the insidious footsteps are substituting for us, isn't it time to pull out their petty little legs?
  21. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 15 October 2014 19: 40
    +4
    The inviolability of borders in the very Helsinki - the author could also mention the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic, which in 1975 perfectly existed. Nobody even stuttered about any Baltic shelupon. Himself in a nightmare could have dreamed of being excommunicated from the big boobs (nipples, if you like).
    What borders - what else are they muttering about there, especially politicians from countries with awesome rich in history (20-50 years old)?
  22. horoh
    horoh 15 October 2014 19: 56
    0
    Quote: Anchonsha
    Otherwise, they will eat us together with the West.

    Fangs break off !!!!
  23. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 15 October 2014 20: 02
    +5
    What does Helsinki and the same Crimea. The agreement was signed on behalf of the USSR. All internal borders in the USSR are administrative borders, that is, it is our own business, they should not be covered by the Helsinki Act. And since Russia is the legal successor of the USSR - as WE decide - it will be so. About the opinion of all there gay.rop and mattresses - nas.rat.
  24. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 15 October 2014 20: 55
    +3
    <<< Recently, among our Westernizing intelligentsia, the thesis, which is not fully understood by the carriers themselves, has begun to spread that Russia, having annexed Crimea, "destroyed the Helsinki agreements on the inviolability of borders" (Moreover, the libesr..l-intellectual believes) America is America's problem! I live in Russia, I am even a patriot of her, and therefore, her clothes must be clean and impeccable! >>>
    To begin with, these pro-Western libes ... llamas, one must at least understand the essence of the issue, including from a legal point of view! After all, in general, agreements, including Helsinki, are accepted by the parties so that each side FULFILL THEM, which gives it reason to demand the SAME from the other side! The Helsinki Agreement has long been thrown into the trash by the West and has already led to a situation that poses a direct threat to Russia's security! And to continue, under these conditions, to observe this, de facto, dead agreement, no matter what it is - STUPID, moreover, criminal! Well, not ... well, did the Russians do this after so many lessons of history, when neo-fascism, obviously in the spirit of the Helsinki agreements, was aggressively marching several hundred kilometers from the heart of Russia, which laid millions and millions of lives of Russians and other nationalities on the altar of victory over fascism ! In the West, thanks to our liberal Compromisers, who ruled the country in the 90s, a strong opinion was strengthened that all agreements concluded with Russia should be implemented ONLY by Russia! Well, the NAGGLETS to demand this from Russia while ignoring their obligations to the West not to occupy!
  25. Mih
    Mih 15 October 2014 22: 18
    +1
    When they begin to give armor-piercing arguments, they suddenly start shouting: what do I care about others ?!
    I always remember the song: what matters to me all of you and you to me! soldier
  26. faterdom
    faterdom 15 October 2014 23: 36
    +3
    Quote: author
    when some regular conditional gozman starts

    They write in textbooks that the Spartan youths were shown drunk helot drunken to their bestial state in order to prevent their desire for drunkenness with a negative example on a psychological level.
    So Gozman, I think, they show us on TV in all kinds of talk shows, so that we, both our children and grandchildren, can clearly see the Russophobic enemy by certain terms, quotes, intonations and manners, so that we can recognize them already in the second syllable, how to open your mouth ...
  27. Nina Zima
    Nina Zima 15 October 2014 23: 43
    +6
    Himmler and Yatsenyuk. I hope the end will be the same: to hell forever and ever ...
  28. jktu66
    jktu66 15 October 2014 23: 55
    +2
    Quote: herruvim
    Yanukovych was also democratic and humane
    I don’t know how democratic Yanukovych was, but in some gay-European countries, democracy boils down to a few homosexual “parades” a year, clean urban centers and filthy criminal outskirts. Try to say something impartial about being in the media, you will unequivocally.
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  30. Cossack
    Cossack 16 October 2014 00: 43
    +3
    "And therefore, when some regular gozman starts another mournful and sublime song about" well, you think that Kosovo is Serbia, then return Crimea to Ukraine ", the answer must be extremely simple: but return Kosovo Serbs, then maybe we'll talk. " - But let the current aliens they will return the American continent to its sole rightful owners - to the Indians...
  31. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 16 October 2014 01: 58
    +1
    And this is correct: with their own stick at their "ends"!
  32. Viktor Kudinov
    Viktor Kudinov 16 October 2014 02: 09
    +1
    Borders must soberly reflect today's realities. You can demand the return of the borders of the USSR, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, ancient Rome, etc. But are there any need for them today? But there is always a need for adjusting the borders, canceling some of them if they are not needed - like the former border between the GDR and the FRG.
    1. boni592807
      boni592807 16 October 2014 03: 30
      +3
      Dear Colleague! Political expediency again?
      And you wonder how the Germans of the GDR were "grateful" to the USSR (Russia) after the "unification" with the FRG. Quoted from a book by Marcus Wolff, he was an example of genuine courage, one of a handful of a handful who did not betray their ideals, to which the intelligence officer devoted his life. After the unification of Germany, Wolf asked for political asylum from Moscow, but this was refused. "... Regarding the fate of the GDR and its political leaders, the resentment against the USSR is great. The meeting that Gorbachev had with Kohl at that time in Arkhyz, I consider a betrayal. Because then he had the opportunity not only to carve out the territory of the GDR from NATO, but also to get Kohl to commit not to persecute the political leaders of the GDR, but at the same time our intelligence officers and agents. This was a very real thing. I wrote to him about this twice, asking him to intercede for us "... And about the citizens of the GDR" ... Naturally, 40 years The existence of the GDR state cannot be simply erased, although the aspirations for this were and still exist.A significant part of the population of East Germany retains the resentment that their biographies, which are associated with honest labor for the good of their country, are simply forgotten and distorted. I think these differences in mentality will be overcome only after a number of generations. "
    2. tkhonov66
      tkhonov66 16 October 2014 14: 28
      +1
      "...
      Borders must soberly reflect today's realities. You can demand the return of the borders of the USSR, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, ancient Rome, etc. But are there any need for them today?
      ..."
      .
      - So, dear ...
      .
      In the world - DOES NOT (!!) EXIST - ABSTRACT "necessity" you mentioned here ...
      .
      - just as there is no "abstract" force, or speed WITHOUT its DIRECTION. Just as the concept of "strength" or "speed" - devoid of the attribute "direction" - turns into TOTAL SHOULDER, suitable only for use in BLANK WORDS, so does the concept of "necessity", or "benefit" - turn into BLANKETS, if not SPECIFY - THE SUBJECT, who "NEEDS" to achieve this or that GOAL.
      .
      Yes - you can demand the return of the borders of the USSR - and this is "profitable" or "necessary" - well, for example, the industry of Russia, the Russian Railways company, it is beneficial for the tasks of transporting Russian oil and gas to Europe.
      .
      But from the US point of view, "demanding the return of the USSR borders" is clearly "NOT (!) Profitable" - and therefore not only "NOT necessary", but also categorically UNACCEPTABLE, since it will weaken the aging US's geostrategic position in the world.
      .
      - And now NOW (when the "i" s are dotted) - now the concepts of "necessity" and "benefit" - have lost their former supernatural "abstractness" - and have acquired the utmost CONCRETE and CLARITY.
      .
      Namely: speaking of the "unnecessary" of restoring the borders of the USSR - you, dear, de facto SERVE the foreign policy and economic INTERESTS of the world gendarme and bandit - the United States - our geopolitical enemy, leading an immeasurable (so far only economic and informational) WAR against Russia ...
      .
      Those. YOU, dear - by stupidity, or by calculation (i.e. NOT IMPORTANT for what reason) - BUT absolutely EXACTLY (!) - you play ON THE SIDE OF THE ENEMIES (!) Of Russia.
      .
      In such and such an acceptance, dear ...
      .
      Well d-duuumat-Ms. Dada ... "dear" ...
      8- (
  33. Horn
    Horn 16 October 2014 06: 42
    +2
    It is more humane to carry out amputation than to allow a patient to die a terrible death from gangrene. It’s more humane to beat a geek after the first crime than to wait until he completes a new one after serving his sentence.
  34. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 16 October 2014 07: 56
    +2
    Yes, it is necessary to put on their opinion "a big bolt with a screw" and add nuclear tactical weapons, of which we have the largest number in the world, according to various sources from 6 to 10 thousand warheads, and let this bolt rest on their brains, they might start thinking ...
  35. mackonya
    mackonya 16 October 2014 09: 49
    0
    Yes, I also did not like that Leonid Gozman relied only on the Helsinki agreements, although there were already precedents when international agreements were violated more than once. In general, it is necessary to proceed from the primary violation of "XC", the Ukrainian SSR has seized the territory, therefore all further actions with the objects of the offense are not a violation as such.
  36. P-38
    P-38 16 October 2014 11: 26
    0
    when some regular conditional gozman starts another mournful and sublime song that “well, you think that Kosovo is Serbia, then return Crimea to Ukraine”, the answer is very simple: but return Kosovo to the Serbs, then - maybe we'll talk

    That's right, and nothing else. Respect for the author
  37. dropout
    dropout 16 October 2014 12: 34
    +1
    It is unclear what relation Crimea has to the Helsinki agreements. They dealt only with the post-war borders. What happened in the next 45 years has nothing to do with these agreements.
    1. tkhonov66
      tkhonov66 16 October 2014 14: 32
      0
      "...
      They referred only to the post-war borders. What happened in the next 45 years has nothing to do with these agreements.
      ..."
      .
      You yourself - understood that they wrote HERE ?!
      after all, "The POST 45 years" is the "POST-war time" ...
      8 - (((
      .
      Or do you think otherwise?
      8-)
  38. RomanKrylov
    RomanKrylov 16 October 2014 12: 43
    +1
    Return Kosovo to the Serbs, collect Yugoslavia, restore the USSR and then it will be possible to return Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR.
  39. lestrigon
    lestrigon 16 October 2014 12: 57
    0
    As far as I know, the "Helsinki Agreements" have not been ratified by our parliament, and therefore, from a legal point of view, they are not binding on our government fellow
  40. boris117
    boris117 16 October 2014 13: 44
    +2
    Quote: WS
    They were always supplied first-class to the detriment of their own interests, almost for free! The habit of chtol!

    For example, the Baltic States received 12 times more money than central Russia on social programs, roads, and infrastructure. That's where such roads come from. Central Russia gave all nat. republics. All of the Baltic states, including Ukraine, lived at the expense of Russia.
  41. Ivansvoy
    Ivansvoy 16 October 2014 17: 36
    0
    tkhonov66 roller Otpad. Are they all there?
  42. Valery Siberia
    Valery Siberia 16 October 2014 21: 21
    +1
    I did not like this in the article:
    And therefore, when some regular conditional gozman starts another mournful and sublime song that “well, you think that Kosovo is Serbia, then return Crimea to Ukraine”, the answer is very simple: but return Kosovo to the Serbs , then - maybe we'll talk.
    How can we compare Kosovo - the historical shrine of the Serbs, from which they were stupidly expelled, did not hold a referendum, destroyed Orthodox churches with the Crimea, which was an autonomous republic within Ukraine and, under international law, had the opportunity to withdraw from its composition if the popular referendum was positive? And to whom to join, this is a further desire of the people of Crimea. CRIMEA - OUR! That’s all.
  43. AGV Pagan
    AGV Pagan 16 October 2014 22: 25
    +1
    In general, I hate this corrupt Europe, and I can’t stand the spirit of our homegrown liberals !!!
    Since we are so bad, let them go where democracy and human rights reign, only I am sure that no one needs these ghouls there.
    1. Elena2013
      Elena2013 16 October 2014 23: 16
      0
      Something like this ... bully
  44. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 17 October 2014 12: 45
    0
    Soon they realize that they have stepped onto the road with 1 ending, deplorable, lonely. They don’t take it to the EU (it’s naive to think otherwise), relations with the Russian Federation are screwed up for decades to come, regardless of officials, people will not forgive! Here it is, the result of the policy of a sly ass on "two chairs".
  45. Prager
    Prager 17 October 2014 14: 00
    0
    all these liberal "human rights activists" are national traitors, the 5th column, generously sponsored by the West. they will be the first to thrust a knife into the back of Russia on a conventional American signal. They are very dangerous and therefore need to be destroyed as soon as possible.
  46. KennethJed
    KennethJed 17 October 2014 19: 10
    0
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    KennethJed 17 October 2014 19: 39
    0
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  48. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 18 October 2014 08: 58
    0
    The people of the republics of the former USSR have the right to sue the presidents of the United States and the governments of NATO countries for subversive activities against the USSR, for financing and harboring terrorists, dissidents, democrats, pederasts, pedophiles, solzhenitsers and other vile undead.
    Masks dropped, it is time to judge the traitors and their masters for crimes against the sovereignty and territorial integrity of our Fatherland.
    These are the Helsinki agreements, the nipple system - blow there, but nothing back.