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Poroshenko examined "the same" Buk "from which the Malaysian Boeing was shot down

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Poroshenko examined "the same" Buk "from which the Malaysian Boeing was shot down


Last week, the head of the Security Service of Ukraine Valentin Nalyvaichenko was punctured. In an interview with Petro Poroshenko TV channel, he suddenly spoke of the Malaysian Boeing that had been shot down over Ukraine. Actually, not his topic. Never in any country in the world has the head of the special services conducted an investigation into the crash of a passenger plane. For this there are special bodies and international commissions. But then Nalyvaichenko, coming out of the barred building of the SBU on Vladimirskaya, where the CIA occupies a couple of floors, suddenly appeared as the head of the investigation and immediately stinked.

"It should be determined who will be responsible for compensating the relatives of the victims, that is, those Russian servicemen who used the modernized Buk-M missile system, which was brought from Russian territory to Ukraine. Ukrainian investigators need to fulfill the plan developed jointly with the Netherlands and other participants in the international investigation, to arrive at the scene and find what we lack, - fragments of a specific missile of a specific "Buk", said Nalyvaychenko.

In other words, a plan has been drawn up, we will find what we need. That is, what is not needed, we will not find - this is about the upcoming SBU operation at the suggestion of colleagues from the United States. That is, they did not go to the place yet, they still didn’t find anything out of what is “not enough” for the version of Russia's guilt for the catastrophe, but the conclusion is already predetermined.

The stupidity of Nalyvaychenko also lies in the fact that he speaks about the installations "Buk-M". There are simply no such weapons in Russia. All "Buki-M" - Ukrainian. Commenting on the passage Nalyvaichenko about the "Buk-M", a source in the Russian General Staff said: "As for the statement of Mr. Nalyvaichenko about the" modernized Buk, the speech, apparently, is about the anti-aircraft missile system, which was really modernized by the Ukroboronprom enterprises " . We know about these works with "Buk" in Ukraine. By the way, at the end of June of this year, this information was confirmed by a message on the official website of the Ukrainian military department about the deployment of the modernized Buk complex on combat duty.

But Nalyvaychenko has a plan how to make Russia guilty again. At the same time, he did not answer a single question of the Russian Ministry of Defense, for example, what did the Ukrainian fighter do next to Boeing, what was the configuration of the Ukrainian air defenses at the crash site, what caused the unusual activity of the Ukrainian air defenses in the area recorded by Avaksi?

But Nalyvaychenko has a plan! According to him, they will now present some kind of steel pellet, declare it a striking element of the Russian rocket, and then pass to the State Department, where the world will be frightened by the already cheerful Jen Psaki, where it is not clear where the piece of metal is taken from.

However, not even a piece of metal, but a muddy photo of a piece of metal that anyone can watch on the Internet before the Nalyvaychenko people go to the Boeing crash site. While there were not. The photo is already there. Those interested can familiarize themselves with it on the website of CyberBerkut.
Meanwhile in stories with Malaysian Boeing - new and very unexpected turns.

All points over the "i" in the question of who and what brought down the Malaysian Boeing, President Poroshenko set. In Kharkov University, he came to communicate with students. The most interesting thing happened when he entered the office, where they train specialists in the management of Buk anti-aircraft missile systems. The president, of course, knew that he was being shot, but apparently he thought that without sound.

"Is this the same complex that was used to bring down the MH17?" - Poroshenko asked.

MN17 - the side number of the Malaysian liner, shot down over the Donetsk region. Apparently, realizing the strangeness of the question, no one answered Poroshenko. Subject immediately transferred. Further, the president with a tense face, already silently, watched how students master radar technology. After, speaking from the podium, Poroshenko 15 minutes thanked the leadership of the university for the fact that it was graduates of Kharkov University and it was in July that they did what the so-called anti-terrorist operation would be impossible to do.

The crash of Boeing occurred on July 17. It was at this time that graduates of Kharkov University actually worked in the ATO area. One of them - Alexander Gavrishuk. In 2010, he graduated from the faculty of anti-aircraft missile forces of Kharkov University, based in the area of ​​Ilovaisk - this is about 30 kilometers from Hrabovo, where the airliner fell.

Yury Muzychuk, a colleague of Gavrishuk, is also a graduate of Kharkov University. I posted a video on my page on a social network. The whole calculation - 7 machines, including 4 launchers "Buk" are preparing to perform tasks. For this operation or some other, but President Poroshenko and the graduates of Kharkov University promised material assistance.

For the entire time of the visit, Poroshenko did not explain where he got the information that the Malaysian airliner was shot down by the “Buk”, and in addition an exact modification of the M1.

Neither Ukrainian investigators, nor international air safety specialists at the site of the crash of the fallen plane. What is more striking is that in the Ukrainian document exchange, in a secret report signed by the head of the Air Defense Forces and the Commander of the Land Forces of Ukraine Igor Zorin, photos appeared where the black spot is called "a fragment of an anti-aircraft missile fragment." It is important to note: the information appeared at the same time as the head of the SBU made a statement that the plane was allegedly shot down by a Russian rocket.

The document on the Internet published a group of Internet activists "CyberBerkut." What is called the Buk missile fragment is about 2 centimeters in length, one and a half wide, and about one and a half in thickness.

"According to the shape, deformation of these fragments, it is impossible to conclude that they belong to at least some warhead of any of the missiles. Any fragment, any piece of iron can be photographed and foaming at the mouth to prove that this piece of iron belongs to some warhead zenith missile complex ", - said Alexander Maslov, in 2004-2009 years - Chief of Staff of the military air defense of the Russian Armed Forces, Lieutenant-General.

If you look closely, it is clear that a piece of metal, if it is a metal at all, is very crumpled, which is very surprising for Russian experts.

“The hardness of the metal from which the striking elements are made is such that they pierce the hull of any aircraft through without being deformed. The photographs presented are supposedly elements that hit the liner - this is a direct fake that contradicts the elementary laws of physics,” the military expert, chief editor said. magazine "National Defense" Igor Korotchenko.

Ukrainian military experts did not limit themselves to the definition of the warhead alone: ​​they went further and found out which complex they had fired from.
“Analysis of photographic materials gives grounds to assert that the deformed fragments placed on them are striking parts of the 9H314 warhead of the 9М38 anti-aircraft missile,” their document says.

Neither the “Buka” nor the “Buka МХNUMX” are in the Russian army, much less the militia of the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics. Understanding this, the Ukrainian side probably kept the document secret for two months - it is dated August 1. Why?

“The modifications of the Buk anti-aircraft missile systems listed in the texts of the document are routinely in service with the Ukrainian army only. After the collapse of the USSR, the Buk anti-aircraft missile complexes, inherited by the Ukrainian army, were actually on the territory of the Kiev and Carpathian military districts. around 70 such launchers ", - said Igor Korochenko.

Another important point, given that the document was signed in early August: the Ukrainian side had a special relationship with the international commission that is conducting the investigation. The materials of the international commission, apparently, were secretly delivered to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, and specifically to Colonel Igor Zorin. It was he who signed the secret report.

Although the topic was not his, Zorin himself in his specialty to such long-range anti-aircraft missile systems, such as Buk, had nothing to do.

"Mr. Zorin, who signed this document, who is now the head of the air defense of the Land Forces of Ukraine, graduated from the Poltava Higher Military School, which studied short-range air defense systems. This person performs either a direct order of the senior commander or participates in some games that are also not aimed at finding out the real situation, and creating a certain background of public opinion, "said Alexander Maslov.

Whether the experts will appear at the crash site of Boeing is a big question. New data from an international investigation, members of the commission said, will be only a year later.
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  1. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 13 October 2014 07: 07
    +24
    "Is this the same complex that was used to bring down the MH17?" - Poroshenko asked.


    Oh my god what a collective farm in power wassat crying To ask such a thing ... laughing
    1. Denis
      Denis 13 October 2014 07: 08
      +22
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Oh my god what a collective farm in power
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 13 October 2014 07: 28
        +5
        Quote: Denis
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Oh my god what a collective farm in power

        The position of the President of Ukraine in this situation is generally firing, and with such assistants you’ll not only start to plump
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 13 October 2014 12: 04
          0
          sedatives and antidepressants - intravenously
        2. 3axap
          3axap 13 October 2014 22: 20
          0
          interesting. we will wait. when this article will work for them.
      3. SHILO
        SHILO 13 October 2014 07: 31
        +12
        From today, a joint Ukrainian-Dutch commission to investigate the causes of the disaster begins, which should inspect the crash site and collect the rest.
        I give my hand to cut off that in less than a week the commission will find an anti-aircraft missile painted with balalaikas and nesting dolls (with the obligatory motto "For Putin") in the arms of a drunken bear, dressed in a uniform and an FSB ksiva on his pocket. winked
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 13 October 2014 09: 49
          +6
          Recently, a program was broadcast, its own investigation, everything was sorted out on the shelves of what and how, evidence was more than enough, expert opinions were cited:
      4. Sid.74
        Sid.74 13 October 2014 07: 37
        +4
        Judas Svidomo! The devils in hell for powder have already warmed up a frying pan, they will not wait. am
      5. Revolver
        Revolver 13 October 2014 08: 59
        +4
        Quote: Denis
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Oh my god what a collective farm in power

        Well, yes, he doesn’t bite, but he does. After all, it is said in the article that:
        But Nalivaychenko has a plan!
        and to see a lot, and what a zippy one, and probably he shares it with Porosenko.
        1. Eaglealex
          Eaglealex 13 October 2014 18: 11
          0
          Truly, it’s better to suck, oh, that is, to chew than to speak. Oooh ...
      6. aleks_29296
        aleks_29296 13 October 2014 09: 16
        +2
        Of course he doesn’t have a bite. Vodka does not cover like that, only smoking hallucinogenic mushrooms in combination with dill.
    2. Dezinto
      Dezinto 13 October 2014 07: 32
      +3
      Is this the same complex that was used to shoot down MH17? "Poroshenko asked.

      Yes, this is the same!

      But this is the same rocket.
      1. nvv
        nvv 13 October 2014 07: 33
        +2
        ............. While clowning is being discussed here, interesting events are taking place in New Russia.
        1. soviet skytourist
          soviet skytourist 13 October 2014 08: 09
          +2
          he says correctly, but he is still alone, and there is 7 million, is there any understanding among them. One alone will not change anything
          1. DRA-88
            DRA-88 13 October 2014 08: 19
            +6
            News from the militia of New Russia
            12.10.14/XNUMX/XNUMX Message from the militia.

            The formed international detachment of Alexei Mozgovogo’s “Ghost” brigade was initially called French-Serbian, but volunteers from other countries (Brazil and Spain) began to join it as the only detachment in the Donbass, recruited entirely from foreigners.
            A detachment of soldiers-internationalists under the leadership of "Poirot" (Victor Alfonso Lenta) left yesterday for Donetsk to pick up the Spaniards from the location of the "East". It should be noted that the cases of mass transition of the militias into the formation of Alexei Brain are becoming widespread.
            Recently, the head of this detachment, Anton Dolgov, reported on the transfer of the disbanded detachment of D.O.L.G, formerly subordinate to the DPR MGB, to the Ghost Brigade.
            Militias highly value moral and commanding qualities of the Brain. They are impressed by their rejection of the Minsk agreements, personal disinterestedness, concern for the division and the local population.
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          3. nvv
            nvv 13 October 2014 08: 44
            +4
            Quote: sovetskyturist
            he says correctly, but he is still alone, and there is 7 million, is there any understanding among them. One alone will not change anything

            Well, why one. In Ukraine there is a party of KPI of Ukraine, and judging by his statements, he is from there.
            1. soviet skytourist
              soviet skytourist 13 October 2014 18: 09
              +2
              I agree in printsype, but it seems like the speakers of [the authors' team] against parties and movements. but while few people are familiar with the bunker, it would be differently Maidan, ATO and marsh would not be feasible
          4. Sabroc
            Sabroc 14 October 2014 02: 46
            0
            Chervonets is not the only one talking about this, and talk about this has been going on for a long time, and if you drive up to the place yourself and talk, then your ears will curl up into a tube from the number of claims of the militia to "your" top.
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        3. DRA-88
          DRA-88 13 October 2014 08: 16
          +4
          Quote: nvv
          .......... While clowning is being discussed here, interesting events are taking place in New Russia.

          News from the militia of New Russia
          12.10.14/XNUMX/XNUMX Former Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the DPR Boris Borisov on the latest trends in the leadership of the DPR.

          From April to August 2014, Boris Avenirovich Borisov, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the DPR, talks about the latest trends in the leadership of the DPR and the tough confrontation in the republic of supporters of democracy and the oligarchy.
          In the DPR, the Chairpersons of Committees and deputies of the Supreme Council are thrown into the basement, thereby intimidating the Supreme Council. Deputies (in particular Malkovich) are arrested without trial. In the DPR, a military-police dictatorship was formed. Any objectionable is thrown into the basement.
          The Russian oligarchy seized power in the DPR and LPR. Large capital with the participation of Chubais and Gref decides the fate of New Russia.
          1. nvv
            nvv 13 October 2014 08: 22
            +2
            Thank Valdemar, otherwise they completely overwhelmed me. fellow lol
      2. DRA-88
        DRA-88 13 October 2014 08: 02
        +4
        Quote: DEZINTO
        But this is the same rocket.


        Goebbels, "The more monstrous the lie, the more willingly they will believe in it"
        1. DRA-88
          DRA-88 13 October 2014 08: 34
          +4
          News from the militia of New Russia
          12.10.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX Today in Donetsk a rally was held against the elections in the DPR.

          “In Donetsk, about 100 people held a rally, at which they demanded to cancel the so-called elections of the governing bodies of the DPR, to launch a counteroffensive on Mariupol, Kramatorsk and Slavyansk and declare war on Ukraine.
          People protested against the domestic and foreign policies of the Zakharchenko government.
          Representatives of the DPR state apparatus came out to communicate with the residents of Donetsk, but they could not answer the questions posed to them:

          Why not built a distribution system of humanitarian aid from Russia? Why hasn’t a protection mechanism been created for citizens who receive humanitarian aid several times? Why is the content of packages with humanitarian aid not equally distributed? (in the packages it may not be enough that the stew, then something else)

          On what basis does Zakharchenko sign agreements under which half of the Donetsk region falls under the control of Kiev?

          Who will guarantee the security of the election?

          Why are the enterprises of Akhmetov not nationalized?

          Why is there no Strelkov in the election lists, and indeed all those who captured the RSA?

          On what basis Purgin and Pushilin allow themselves to be promoted, linking their names with humanitarian aid from Russia?

          Why at the time of the attack were signed the Minsk Agreement, which stopped the militias?

          Why is the council of militia commanders not being held?

          Issues related to numerous cases of looting and robbery from the side, so-called. "Militias". Where are the penalties for the proven facts of these crimes?

          The participants demanded that Igor Strelkov be returned to the republic and begin a counterattack on Mariupol, Kramatorsk and Slavyansk.
    3. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 13 October 2014 07: 44
      0
      Enrages another! The collective farm is pretentious, every Ukrainian imbecile, dEbil and loser considers themselves to be "politicians", although ..., if I may say so, "power", such are the "leaders." The people choose the best ...!
      1. sssla
        sssla 13 October 2014 08: 26
        0
        Quote: ALABAY45
        The people choose the best ...!

        People think that he chooses, but you understand that they choose who they need for him)))
    4. 222222
      222222 13 October 2014 10: 28
      +1
      Nevsky ZU (1) SU Today, 07:07

      Nevsky, what kind of military rank does Poroshenko have? (see photo and shoulder strap) ...
  2. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 13 October 2014 07: 10
    +5
    Hello! You must look for striking elements in the corpses taken out, and not on the territory of the fired and all types of weapons! WHY THE NETHERLANDS ARE SILENT ??? request
    1. comrad74
      comrad74 13 October 2014 07: 22
      +6
      Because the Netherlands laughing
    2. mamont5
      mamont5 13 October 2014 07: 28
      +1
      Quote: ISKANDER25
      Hello! You must look for striking elements in the taken out corpses.


      If the damaging elements pierce the aircraft body through, then why should they linger in the corpses.
      1. ISKANDER25
        ISKANDER25 13 October 2014 07: 50
        +1
        Hello Alexander, I’m not saying that the bodies should be stuffed with them, but some part should be, even if not in the bodies then in the seat trim! hi
  3. inkass_98
    inkass_98 13 October 2014 07: 10
    +5
    But Geletya was pulled from the post of Minister of Defense for insufficient success ... Did he write a letter of resignation with a pen with a cap on? Who is next, is it Saman? And what a decent candidate. He’ll quickly hold a parade anywhere, only it will be in the facebook. And not only everyone can see it ...
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 13 October 2014 07: 14
      +7
      Quote: inkass_98
      But Geletey was turned


      And I'm sorry that're coming out, the army has lost such an outstanding "brain" in the leadership.
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      2. Dezinto
        Dezinto 13 October 2014 07: 24
        +4
        They will quickly find a new "brain". there are now bulk of these brain-cloudy ones. All work is just to shout about the threat from Russia.
        1. saag
          saag 13 October 2014 07: 32
          0
          Quote: DEZINTO
          They will quickly find a new "brain"

          A level higher there is perhaps Tymoshenko, the rest, as they say, "from the same series" as Poroshenko :-)
        2. 73bor
          73bor 13 October 2014 07: 40
          0
          Ukrainians from a candidate for the post of minister, take out the "brain" and insert something else - like a "bogeyman" from a fairy tale!
  4. shishakova
    shishakova 13 October 2014 07: 13
    +2
    Russia declared informational, sanctions ... war ...
    And any talk about the tragedy with the Boeing will be supported in the world by some false aggressive forces.
    It is clear to everyone that Ukraine has full responsibility for the destruction of the Boeing, but does not want reckoning.
    1. Junior, I
      Junior, I 13 October 2014 07: 31
      0
      will support some false aggressive forces in the world

      Not some, All, EU Canada, etc.
      1. svp67
        svp67 13 October 2014 10: 25
        0
        Quote: Younger, I
        EU Canada and others.

        it is far NOT
        Quote: Younger, I
        All

        There are still enough states on the "ball" that have an excellent opinion - China, India, Brazil, Argentina, South Africa and many more ...
  5. dimdimich71
    dimdimich71 13 October 2014 07: 15
    0
    The names Gavrishuk, Muzychuk appear, I think they will soon disappear forever ....
  6. Magadan
    Magadan 13 October 2014 07: 16
    +15
    Russia is not actively demanding an investigation. Only one option will affect world opinion:
    Russia, in addition to the UN, appeals by all means directly to the citizens of Holland and Malaysia.
    Russia openly accuses the US of sponsoring the junta. He asks the United States to provide pictures from the same satellite that at that moment was hanging over the scene of the disaster.

    Russia says the US is an accomplice in that crime. In every way. In other words. Through different media (if you need to give a bribe to the media of Malaysia, then give a bribe)

    Russia repeats again and again that if international "experts" do not want to do their job, then they are obviously under US pressure (or bought)
    You just need to peck the same topic, demand answers to the same questions.
    It is not necessary to receive these answers. It is imperative to tell the citizens of Malaysia and Holland that the US has "ordered" their citizens. Otherwise, why is the US silent on the SPECIFIC accusations presented ?!
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 13 October 2014 08: 32
      0
      The international media are the same transnational corporations as the oil GXNUMX. And the order of the world "behind the scenes" is also fulfilled. Until there is an alternative system, the voice of Russia will be hushed up and drowned out by the US mongrels. But there is also a positive shift - the opening of the Spanish-language RT broadcasting to Argentina. We need to expand the zone - up to Mexico.
  7. Kimblee
    Kimblee 13 October 2014 07: 17
    +1
    They used to say that the beech was already cut in Russia, and those who controlled it were shot by the evil FSB, and now the beech is safe ??? So soon Klitschko will speak, with many dead Russian servicemen who shot down the plane ,,)) He knows how)
  8. voveim
    voveim 13 October 2014 07: 21
    +2
    "Is this the same complex that was used to bring down the MH17?" - Poroshenko asked.

    And here we are, on the site, still at Genitalia (forgive me, Lord!) Laughed: they say, stupidity piles on stupidity, without blinking an eye ... What’s right! Entered, blurted out - and silence ...
    PS It’s not for nothing that Poroshenko’s Genitalia kicked in retirement: so that there were no competitors ...
  9. Dezinto
    Dezinto 13 October 2014 07: 27
    +3


    In Ukraine, geniuses have grown completely. And they grow the same.
    1. ISKANDER25
      ISKANDER25 13 October 2014 07: 30
      +4
      Hello Nikolai! hi
      1. Dezinto
        Dezinto 13 October 2014 07: 39
        +1
        Good morning Alexander hi

        Vital is strong ... he knows how the universe works laughing
        1. ISKANDER25
          ISKANDER25 13 October 2014 07: 41
          +1
          Hello Nikolai! SMILE! hi +
  10. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 13 October 2014 07: 28
    +2
    What a beech, Brains hover and slip paper
  11. Siberian
    Siberian 13 October 2014 07: 31
    0
    ........................ And yet, apparently, the gentlemen from = bezbeki = Ukraine, together with their masters from the CIA, planned to bring down Putin's plane , but as they say, the bummer came out, otherwise ... so it remains to play all sorts of scenarios that come to mind at random, either Geletey, then Avakov, now Poroshenko ... hence the inconsistency ... but otherwise it’s impossible, because the guilty person has already been named in advance by the mouth of Psaki -Russia and the militias, so the gentlemen from Kiev have to get out of their skin, but look for any compromise on Russia ...
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 October 2014 07: 32
    0
    Poroshenko 15 minutes thanked the leadership of the university for the fact that it was the graduates of Kharkov University and in July did something without which the so-called anti-terrorist operation would have been impossible.

    No, no, yes they say it. Now the chief SBU officer, now the "president", now some other official. I already wrote that if the commission found even a microscopic involvement of Russia, the Western media were already screaming about it. If they are silent, then they know the real culprit (u.kropia).
    1. Viktor Kudinov
      Viktor Kudinov 13 October 2014 08: 44
      0
      repeat A university that trains specialists capable of shooting down large Boeings, and not various small aircraft, deserves all praise. Because, as big prey is always more pleasant. fellow
  13. Drunya
    Drunya 13 October 2014 07: 33
    +1
    "tovarischi" ZHGUT - what
    http://www.unian.net/politics/995129-na-donbasse-boeviki-ispolzuyut-orujie-kotor
    oe-razryivaet-vse-v-golove-smi.html
    In Donbass, militants use weapons that tear everything apart in the head - media

    Modern weapons were used against the Ukrainian military.
    This was stated by the mother of the deceased participant in the anti-terrorist operation Lyudmila Manyuk on the air of the "Brave Hearts" program on the "1 + 1" TV channel. According to her, the weapons used were once only in futurological literature. We are talking about magnetic resonance weapons, which were used on September 11 near Debaltseve in the Donetsk region. Manyuk also explained that this type of weapon leads to the fact that "everything in the head explodes."
  14. parusnik
    parusnik 13 October 2014 07: 36
    0
    And summing up ... you can come to the following conclusion .. depending on the situation, the international commission either pleads guilty to Russia, or Ukraine ... or .. itself fell ...
  15. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 13 October 2014 07: 41
    0
    The new data from the international investigation, the commission said, will be only in a year.

    The Commission "merges." After the crash, Russia was slandered, public opinion was formed and "to the bottom." The venal and hypocritical policy of European officials, these are the scum Lavrov, Churkin and all our diplomacy have to deal with.
  16. 3vs
    3vs 13 October 2014 07: 42
    0
    God marks the assault!
    Do not hold on to Kiev punks tongue.
    We are waiting for the fidelity of the third d ... ba, which will add something else.
  17. sv68
    sv68 13 October 2014 07: 49
    0
    when will psychiatrists examine that same paroshenko’s brain? wassat
  18. Bronik
    Bronik 13 October 2014 07: 50
    +1
    The Boeing crash site is very large and it is impossible to control it. It means that the CIA / SBU will drop any parts of the necessary missiles, or they have already dropped them and will soon be "found".
  19. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 13 October 2014 07: 58
    0
    The worst thing is that the power, that in the United States, that in dill have become stupid, short-sighted ignoramuses, which endangers the security of the whole world. With such a push of a button on such an idiotic Buk air defense system, a world war could start in the USA with a nuclear warhead. The topic of Russia's participation in the massacre in South-East Ukraine, which is being discussed on Ukrainian television, is already reaching the point of absurdity. The inability to control the semi-bandit formations of the junta in its ATO in the Donbass is spreading a rumor about the unthinkable weapons of the Donbass militias coming from Russia. This weapon allegedly tears everything in the head of the brave lads from Western Hohland, who participated in the ATO operations in the Donbas
  20. Grandfather Victor
    Grandfather Victor 13 October 2014 07: 58
    +2
    "Neither Buk, nor Buk M1, nor in the Russian army."
    Weak excuse. From the other side they will say: "But 1-2 have survived, so they were then put to the militia. They say on purpose, to substitute the Ukrainian side." And about what Potroshenko said, they will say: "he meant the same type." Words in international politics do not mean anything. Action means.
  21. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 13 October 2014 08: 01
    0
    Quote: Dryuya
    "tovarischi" ZHGUT - what
    http://www.unian.net/politics/995129-na-donbasse-boeviki-ispolzuyut-orujie-kotor

    oe-razryivaet-vse-v-golove-smi.html
    In Donbass, militants use weapons that tear everything apart in the head - media
    According to her, the weapons used were once only in futurological literature. We are talking about magnetic resonance weapons, which were used on September 11 near Debaltseve in the Donetsk region. Manyuk also explained that this type of weapon leads to the fact that "everything in the head explodes."


    Damn, everything is much simpler!
    In the winter they jumped-jumped, jumped-jumped ... here are the brains in my head and crashed against the walls of the skull ... Especially since there were not many of them.
  22. soviet skytourist
    soviet skytourist 13 October 2014 08: 02
    +2
    it’s clear Boeing was shot down by oaths of mosk ...... but probably along the way it is possible Gunpowder will be thrown its brains of powder or drained if they don’t agree
  23. yulka2980
    yulka2980 13 October 2014 08: 03
    0
    It seems that the closer to Kiev, the more shell-shocked. Here it is, the country is Ukrainian. laughing
  24. Bronik
    Bronik 13 October 2014 08: 15
    +1
    The person responsible for the Boeing tragedy was appointed even before its destruction, it was announced almost before the fall of the wreckage.Now the accomplices are smeared so cynically that even an investigation has not been carried out.
  25. Truth
    Truth 13 October 2014 08: 38
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    The crew of the "Buk" who snatched at the "Boeing", like the pilot of Sushki who fired at him from the "GSh", according to the scenario of such provocations, should have been eliminated immediately after the order was executed, on the same day those who crashed the first were eliminated, then destroyed those who worked with the documents ...
    And that's it ... Boeing was shot down by Russia.
  26. Lock
    Lock 13 October 2014 08: 39
    -1
    It seems to me that these are not random reservations and stuffing. The fault of the Ukrainian side has long been proven already, the time has come to make this known to the world community. But Ukrainians must first confess themselves so that a great scandal does not take place.
    Therefore, the "command has come" to issue this information to Ukrainian officials. So they betray it in such a way that it seems to be said, but somehow through the "ass" or something - in the demonic interpretation, distorted, "through the head - in the reverse order."
    The results of all this we already know - we saw.
  27. qQQQ
    qQQQ 13 October 2014 09: 54
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    Who cares who said what. The perpetrators have already been appointed and no one in the West will listen to what the next puppet has said. Russia should at every corner (at all meetings, economic forums, etc.) poke our "partners" in the face of this d ... mo, otherwise it will not be possible to move the investigation off the ground.
  28. KOMA
    KOMA 13 October 2014 15: 42
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    Comrades, with his Beeches, Poroshenko’s pan tries to lead everyone away from the truth. If an aircraft was hit by a rocket from the BUK air defense missile system, there would be a bunch of bodies stuffed with small destructive elements, and when the remains of the dead passengers were collected, everything would be revealed.
  29. Grabberxnumx
    Grabberxnumx 13 October 2014 16: 56
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    With physics in Ukraine, too, already fsё! Soon, poor Newton and Poisson will be written down as separatists!
    “The hardness of the metal from which the striking elements are made is such that they pierce the hull of any aircraft through without being deformed. The photographs presented are supposedly elements that hit the liner - this is a direct fake that contradicts the elementary laws of physics,” the military expert, chief editor said. magazine "National Defense" Igor Korotchenko.
  30. prio124
    prio124 13 October 2014 19: 24
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    A bit out of topic but amusing: " The leader of the Batkivshchyna party, Yulia Tymoshenko, may attend a meeting of the Moscow Basmanny Court on the extension of the arrest of Nadezhda Savchenko, accused of complicity in the murder of Russian journalists. "
    Here's some more work. Arrest and incitement to kill 8 mil. Russian attract
  31. northern
    northern 13 October 2014 20: 23
    0
    The same one? Is he really able to distinguish a Buk from a BM-13? Do not tell my gray hairs.