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Russia is buying gold. Not Just Sanctions (Nikkei, Japan)

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Russia is buying gold. Not Just Sanctions (Nikkei, Japan)Russia, which is in fifth place in terms of foreign exchange reserves, has begun active buying up of gold. According to the IMF, its gold reserves have increased significantly over the past five months. For this indicator, the Russian Federation has already overtaken China and Switzerland. The fact is that Russia has concerns about the dollar and the euro in connection with the sanctions caused by the situation in Ukraine. Against the background of increasing debt obligations of leading countries, the Kremlin is trying to reduce financial risks through the redistribution of investment in gold.

The IMF said that Russia's gold reserves at the end of August amounted to 1112,5 tons. Since January, it has increased by 77 tons, that is, it has grown by 7% in seven months. The share of gold in gold and foreign exchange reserves increased from 8,3% to 9,8%.

This was affected by the deterioration of relations with the West in connection with the Ukrainian crisis. After the March annexation of Crimea, the United States and the EU imposed anti-Russian economic sanctions. Defense and other enterprises lost the opportunity to pay in dollars. There is a danger that the new sanctions will already hit energy exports, the calculation for which is also carried out in dollars.

70% of Russia's foreign exchange reserves are dollars and euros. The Putin administration, which has embarked on an exacerbation of the confrontation with the United States, decided to "reduce its dependence on these currencies in order to counter sanctions." Reform of foreign exchange reserves was accelerated. On the one hand, the Russian Federation began to buy more gold and Chinese yuan, and on the other, to reduce the share of dollars and US government bonds in its reserves.

The decline in gold prices contributes to this process. The market continues to sell gold, which, due to the forecast of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System that interest rates will soon rise, does not pay interest, and therefore in September its price fell to the lower limit for the first time this year. As a result, Russia was in favorable conditions for buying gold.

Experts believe that the Russian Federation is trying to avoid the negative impact of Western financial problems on the Russian economy. Putin’s authority, which managed to avoid financial complications from oil revenues, is watching the West’s increase in debt obligations with concern. It can be said that by increasing the gold reserves, which is considered an “international currency” and which is not affected in any way by the financial problems of the state, Russia hopes to overcome the upcoming global financial crisis.

During an economic forum in St. Petersburg in May, President Putin told reporters that "it is important to accumulate gold and foreign exchange reserves in a rational and safe way." Most experts believe that in the coming years, Russia will continue to buy gold. It is believed that by the end of the year, the Central Bank will acquire more 200 tons of this precious metal, since so far the share of gold in Russian gold and foreign exchange reserves is relatively small: compare with France and Germany, where it is 60%.

China, strengthening economic relations with Russia and criticizing anti-Russian sanctions, has also been increasing its gold reserves in recent years. If the two major powers that are in conflict with the West continue to switch to gold, the position of the dollar, which is the key currency, may falter.

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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer 10 October 2014 18: 22
    +64
    Great news! And gold must be brought to the country. But it will not work as with the German gold reserve, which the Americans have arrogantly appropriated and do not want to return to Germany.
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 10 October 2014 18: 25
      +65
      That's right, throws off nothing than not secured green candy wrappers
      1. dyremar 66
        dyremar 66 10 October 2014 19: 20
        +18
        FRS-nicknames are old cheaters and it’s good that Putin has smart people who buy gold before them, because gold is gold and you can’t replace it with anything, as the financier of one French king said
        1. Oleg Sobol
          Oleg Sobol 10 October 2014 21: 24
          +8
          Russia is buying up and buying, China is actively buying up, and organized the Golden Exchange ... However, paper candy wrapped everyone up? Not?
          Or maybe just China and Russia conspired to buy gold to raise jewelry ...?
          "One hundred poods".
          1. Talgat
            Talgat 11 October 2014 05: 55
            +9
            Of course! Do not buy dollars now - financing a potential adversary!
            1. avg
              avg 12 October 2014 12: 27
              +12
              Quote: Talgat
              Of course! Do not buy dollars now - financing a potential adversary!

              The dollar must be hit wherever possible. The dollar is the enemy's "main stronghold". Only by dumping the dollar can you destroy the "Great Pin.dos.tan".
              Putin’s government, which has managed to avoid financial complications thanks to oil revenues, is watching with concern the increase in Western debt.
              To the gentlemen of the West (even if they are from the east), journalists, for starters, would be nice to answer the question:
              Why is power Putin's and authoritarian if its rating is 86%?
              Why is the power popular and democratic if the Obama rating is 41%?
              Well, all the leading economists of the world are watching with concern the "increase in the West's debt obligations", being in readiness to send a signal "Save who can!"
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 10 October 2014 19: 34
        +22
        compare with France and Germany, where it is 60%
        And who has a German gold? Why be surprised that they are so flexible.
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 12 October 2014 11: 32
          +7
          Duc is not in the nature of the German red, it has long been not theirs, except that according to the documents they are listed.
      3. Slavnik
        Slavnik 10 October 2014 19: 50
        +21
                              
      4. roman_pilot
        roman_pilot 10 October 2014 21: 23
        +3
        Oh well, somehow squeamish
      5. Момент
        Момент 10 October 2014 21: 47
        +15
        The future currency of America.
        1. maxxdesign
          maxxdesign 11 October 2014 06: 07
          +15
          I would like this future currency of America to be
          1. REMBO
            REMBO 11 October 2014 20: 26
            +4
            Or is this better:
        2. netwalker
          netwalker 13 October 2014 17: 41
          0
          one United Psaki of America laughing
    2. armageddon
      armageddon 10 October 2014 18: 44
      +5
      Hmm ... Gold is not paper ... So far, the eternal price of human life ... !!!
      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 10 October 2014 18: 54
        +15
        . The share of gold in foreign exchange reserves increased from 8,3% to 9,8%.

        I would like more serious metal. The name itself - GOLD STOCK, already says a lot.
        1. atalef
          atalef 10 October 2014 19: 34
          -15
          Quote: subbtin.725
          . The share of gold in foreign exchange reserves increased from 8,3% to 9,8%.

          I would like more serious metal. The name itself - GOLD STOCK, already says a lot.

          In general, the gold reserve does not say much, because gold has not played the role of money equivalent for a long time - the reason is much simpler, under the conditions of sanctions and in the case of restricting transactions to pay in dollars or euros, gold will be like the settlement currency in the calculations. This is what Iran did, there is nothing good in it, it significantly complicates and complicates the calculations, and therefore the settlement procedure itself becomes much more expensive (payment (as an operation) also costs money), but this is an emergency solution when sanctions are expanded.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 10 October 2014 19: 55
            +28
            Quote: atalef
            In general, the gold reserve does not say much, because gold has not played the role of money equivalent for a long time - the reason is much simpler, under the conditions of sanctions and in the case of restricting transactions to pay in dollars or euros, gold will be like the settlement currency in the calculations. This is what Iran did, there is nothing good in it, it significantly complicates and complicates the calculations, and therefore the settlement procedure itself becomes much more expensive (payment (as an operation) also costs money), but this is an emergency solution when sanctions are expanded.

            Just gold is the equivalent of money. And soon it will be much easier to get monetary obligations for gold than for a dollar. Wait actually not for long, I think a couple of years
            1. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 10 October 2014 20: 17
              +4
              Quote: APASUS
              Just gold is the equivalent of money.

              atalef meant today ..... today is not gold is the equivalent
              1. atalef
                atalef 10 October 2014 20: 35
                +2
                Quote: Tiksi-3
                Quote: APASUS
                Just gold is the equivalent of money.

                atalef meant today ..... today is not gold is the equivalent

                In general, it’s not quite correct to say that, 40 tons of rubles is equivalent to a troy ounce of gold and if we talk about the equivalent, then today we can talk about the equivalent of anything, even though the ruble is equivalent to say 50 grams of Baltic beer (I don’t know which one) or 5 minutes of swineherd labor.
                The equivalent of the ruble and the provision of the money supply with gold are completely different things.
            2. atalef
              atalef 10 October 2014 20: 31
              0
              Quote: APASUS
              Just gold is the equivalent of money. And soon it will be much easier to get monetary obligations for gold than for a dollar. Wait actually not for long, I think a couple of years

              And what is a monetary obligation? belay
              Decrypt please.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 10 October 2014 21: 03
                +3
                Quote: atalef
                And what is a monetary obligation? Decrypt please.

                Cash liability
                debtor's obligation to pay the creditor a certain amount of money under the contract or for other reasons
                1. atalef
                  atalef 10 October 2014 21: 07
                  -2
                  Quote: APASUS
                  Quote: atalef
                  And what is a monetary obligation? Decrypt please.

                  Cash liability
                  debtor's obligation to pay the creditor a certain amount of money under the contract or for other reasons

                  I know this, but how does this compare with your comment?

                  Quote: APASUS
                  Just gold is the equivalent of money. And soon it will be much easier to get monetary obligations for gold than for a dollar. Wait actually not for long, I think a couple of years

                  Ie do you mean to buy gold, what would it be easier for you to give a loan tomorrow? belay Dollars or euros
                  And give loans in gold laughing
                  1. APASUS
                    APASUS 10 October 2014 22: 06
                    +14
                    Quote: atalef
                    Ie do you mean to buy gold, what would it be easier for you to give a loan tomorrow? Dollars or Euros And give loans in gold

                    I mean, any transaction can be backed by finance, where the guarantee is just gold. Under this material, you can get any collateral, it is not necessary to carry gold to banks and countries.
                    1. goose
                      goose 13 October 2014 11: 26
                      +1
                      It is also a good way to fight inflation, which, as you know, is the best way to pay off debt.
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                  2. 97110
                    97110 11 October 2014 18: 49
                    0
                    Quote: atalef
                    And give loans in gold

                    If I took out a loan secured by a Kirovets portal crane manufactured in 1993, this does not mean that the agreement cannot provide for a loan currency other than Kirovites.
            3. soviet skytourist
              soviet skytourist 10 October 2014 21: 24
              +5
              the equivalent of money can be a kilowatt of energy, there isn’t much gold in nature. money can be anything - a banknote account about the presence of something in possession
              1. atalef
                atalef 10 October 2014 21: 27
                +5
                Quote: sovetskyturist
                the equivalent of money can be a kilowatt of electricity,

                Can not be. Since its production at power plants is different in price (sometimes at times), and how are you going to save and save kilowatts?
                1. soviet skytourist
                  soviet skytourist 10 October 2014 21: 42
                  +3
                  however, they do not hide power plants, industry and natural resources in batteries, or they do not exist, and at the moment they use energy for the production of everything, the times of plowing by oxen have passed [money and either equivalent to grain and gold]
                  1. ibnvladimir
                    ibnvladimir 12 October 2014 12: 59
                    +1
                    This is the whole joke. Do you want to untie the currency from the dollar? And then what will you provide your currency with? Gold, GDP, subsoil, than?
                2. 97110
                  97110 11 October 2014 18: 55
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  Can not be. Since its production at power plants is different in price (sometimes at times), and how are you going to save and save kilowatts?

                  In Soviet times, there was an indicator of "reduced ton-kilometers", in which ton-kilometers were equated to passenger kilometers. At the same time, the ton-kilometers of bulk carriers or bulk carriers, passengers on barges-verandas or on a winged fleet did not depend. It is important, as the advanced planners said, "to set a figure." And there is no need to take the cancer away by the stone.
                3. ssergn
                  ssergn 12 October 2014 08: 05
                  +1
                  Maybe you’re wrong now, maybe you’re talking about production costs. But the price is set by the market or some agreements, the price of oil, gas, etc., even wheat is set on the exchange (but gas is just agreements). But here the cost of production, production, etc., is completely different for everyone. Hence the question arises that it is beneficial for someone to sell oil at the price of 90, and for someone no longer - the cost does not allow.
              2. Tektor
                Tektor 10 October 2014 23: 15
                +3
                Money is that for a long time, the best of all the rest has retained its value ... Over the past two centuries, gold has kept. Further more convenient to use kWh as cost measures.
                1. 97110
                  97110 11 October 2014 19: 00
                  0
                  Quote: Tektor
                  Over the past two centuries, gold has been preserved. Further more convenient to use kWh as a measure of value.
                  At the same time, no one divided gold into native or from ore (forgive the amateur, correct terminology), Native American or from Kolyma. A gram of golden sand did not differ in price from the melted nose rings ...
            4. Kostyar
              Kostyar 10 October 2014 23: 52
              +5
              Just gold is the equivalent of money. And soon it will be much easier to get monetary obligations for gold than for a dollar. Wait actually not for long, I think a couple of years


              It’s been waving cowards for a long time - a couple of years, a couple of years - the current has already passed more than a couple of years during this time ...
              I really want to dance on the ruins of America, as soon as possible !!!
          2. Velikoruss
            Velikoruss 10 October 2014 21: 06
            +4
            Yes Yes bully a long time ago.
            And really, there’s nothing good about it, but ... wink , with a small clarification: nothing good for the "empire of good" and especially in the case of more active refusal by countries to use the dollar as a reserve currency. And some costs and difficulties are solvable and not critical, and most importantly, they will pay off a hundredfold for Russia!

            Babylon must be destroyed! am
            1. atalef
              atalef 10 October 2014 21: 24
              +5
              Quote: Velikorus
              Babylon must be destroyed!

              Carthage, learn history. hi
              1. Velikoruss
                Velikoruss 10 October 2014 21: 42
                +4
                hi And I’m talking about Babylon! Which one, I hope, have you already guessed?
                1. atalef
                  atalef 10 October 2014 21: 44
                  -4
                  Quote: Velikorus
                  hi And I’m talking about Babylon! Which one, I hope, have you already guessed?

                  who is in Iraq?
                  1. Velikoruss
                    Velikoruss 10 October 2014 21: 50
                    +10
                    No, those Semites did nothing wrong to me and my people. I'm talking about the one in New York bully
                  2. ibnvladimir
                    ibnvladimir 12 October 2014 13: 02
                    0
                    Which has common land borders with Canada and Mexico. laughing
              2. Camouflet
                Camouflet 10 October 2014 22: 23
                +4
                Quote: atalef
                Quote: Velikorus
                Babylon must be destroyed!

                Carthage, learn history. hi


                I think that the man in the yarmulke did not mean history, namely Baghdad (Babylon), Tehran and other Arabs. It is the Arabs that they want to destroy.
              3. Starik72
                Starik72 11 October 2014 00: 32
                +5
                Atalef. Babylon is Washington, which is why they minus you, do not seem smarter than yourself.
              4. 97110
                97110 11 October 2014 19: 04
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                Carthage, learn history

                Do not be so arrogant. In the Russian context, Babylon sounds better than Carthage. Not in the Senate, tea.
          3. Camouflet
            Camouflet 10 October 2014 22: 05
            +9
            Quote: atalef
            atalef (8) IL Today, 19: 34 ↑ New



            In general, the gold reserve doesn’t mean much, since gold has not played the role of money equivalent for a long time


            A new great finance expert has appeared. And he turned the world upside down.

            He should first google the topic of the functions of gold.

            Gold is better than money. That is the truth. Everything else is from the evil one.

            But "money" in no way has the equivalent of gold.
            1. ibnvladimir
              ibnvladimir 12 October 2014 13: 05
              +3
              The problem here is the Bretonwood agreement, and the fact that OPEC countries have agreed to sell oil for dollars. And everyone agreed to buy this oil for dollars.
          4. Hitrovan07
            Hitrovan07 11 October 2014 18: 25
            0
            Do you naively believe that gold will physically move from storage?
            Think funny.
            1. 97110
              97110 11 October 2014 19: 09
              0
              Quote: Hitrovan07
              Do you naively believe that gold will physically move from storage?
              Think funny.

              Who cares? Or I have one so clumsy, but VO would be nice to work on this problem. The branches are not clearly divided. For clarity, I have to quote a piece of the author to whom I answer.
          5. ibnvladimir
            ibnvladimir 12 October 2014 12: 55
            0
            I remember at the dawn of the USSR we didn’t even want to accept gold. Only grain.
          6. yehat
            yehat 12 October 2014 16: 10
            0
            but they will not be thrown as PF under Kudrin.
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 10 October 2014 19: 37
        +10
        Quote: Armagedon
        Gold is not paper ... So far, the eternal price of human life.


        And you need to store them in your own bins. China with its gold stored at Fort Knox has already "hit"; Germany also "licked its lips", and Uncle Sam rubs his sweaty little hands giggling. bully
        1. Tektor
          Tektor 10 October 2014 23: 19
          +4
          I can't vouch for one hundred percent, but to hide the loss of gold in Fort Knox, an "accident" will happen to him. For example, a cargo transport vehicle with the waste of something that is not laundered will accidentally fall on it. Maybe even radioactive, which will make the entire contents of the fort useless ...
          1. 97110
            97110 11 October 2014 19: 11
            +1
            Quote: Tektor
            Maybe even radioactive, which will make the entire contents of the fort useless to anyone ..

            And we will wash it in SF-2U. I even ate the paint from the Jaeger pants of our NSh - it turned out "boiled". Why are you all so afraid of radiation?
            "Stoker said:" metropolitan "
            very good for strontium. "
      3. Suhow
        Suhow 12 October 2014 18: 51
        0
        the authorities of the Russian Federation and China are doing the right thing, when depreciating the dollar as a common currency, amers will have to deal with the problems of their economy and survival, and not the problems of democracy in other states. I think the same should be done with the euro, since the plane will not go on this expensive paper it will fly, as a result, these industrial leaders will be more accommodating and the suppliers of raw materials will frighten them with sanctions, which in my future will improve the lives of most countries. And not a bunch of money machines and more advanced scientific and production capacities ...
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 10 October 2014 19: 27
      +15
      Gold, it is gold in Africa, and tomorrow is gold too, and what American candy wrappers will be tomorrow, no one can say for sure.
      1. atalef
        atalef 10 October 2014 20: 05
        -10
        Quote: Giant thought
        Gold, it is gold in Africa, and tomorrow is gold too, and what American candy wrappers will be tomorrow, no one can say for sure.

        No, gold is a much more problematic thing.
        Heavy, gold road operations, the market is inert and narrow.
        Moreover, fluctuations in the price of gold are much greater than in the inflation of the same dollar or euro.
        The economic rationale for the purchase of gold by Russia - honestly not
        In gold, you can save the surplus.
        And large purchases only increase the price of traders.
        The ruble will not become stronger from this, but it will not affect the dollar at all.
        1. sandrmur76
          sandrmur76 10 October 2014 20: 25
          +13
          atalef (8) let me disagree with you. Does it mean that trading in oil, timber, ore is less haemorrhaging? And iron prices? As for the narrow market, do you know what expense (practically non-renewable) for electronics? Yes, and your (sorry) are sitting on Gold diamonds are not so simple! what
          1. atalef
            atalef 10 October 2014 20: 38
            -2
            Quote: sandrmur76
            atalef (8) let me disagree with you. That is, trading in oil, timber, ore is less haemo?

            Of course, maybe for the sale you get dollars or euros. transfers of which occur in electronic form and are accepted for payment instantly.
            Gold is harder. You need to actually transport it, i.e. Do not leave it at home and deliver it to the seller for payment (as Iran did) - compare this for a moment. You translate (personally 0 30t. Bucks by Vestenunion or physically carry this kilogram.
            1. user1212
              user1212 11 October 2014 05: 13
              +7
              Gold itself is rarely transported. Just transfer ownership. Many European countries sell and buy gold that is physically in the US vaults (Germany’s gold reserve for example). Gold is transported only if it is needed in kind (for production) or in force majeure circumstances (war, for example). And even then it’s often easier to sell gold and buy somewhere closer
          2. enot73
            enot73 10 October 2014 20: 44
            +13
            Quote: sandrmur76
            And yours (sorry) are sitting on gold diamonds not just like that!
            The Yankees' greens are also kept only by the hardware
            1. Tektor
              Tektor 10 October 2014 23: 20
              +1
              But this is already in the past: now these are just big targets.
            2. Corsair5912
              Corsair5912 11 October 2014 09: 36
              +4
              The Yankes trade in high-explosive and fragmentation "democracy", the more they manage to sell "democracy", the higher the dollar rate.
              Until 1949, gold (+ diamonds, precious, rare and non-ferrous metals, etc.) was the main criterion for the solvency of states, the exchange rate depended on gold reserves, and then the era of the dictatorship of dirty green papers with portraits of fraudsters came.
        2. soviet skytourist
          soviet skytourist 10 October 2014 21: 32
          +10
          rightly, but at this stage, Russia will receive not waste paper that is not backed up by anything, but drag metal and try to make the ruble an alternative or one of the reserve currencies by providing energy sources and gold at the first stage
          1. atalef
            atalef 10 October 2014 21: 41
            -6
            Quote: sovetskyturist
            alike, but at this stage, Russia will not receive waste paper without any support

            While this * waste paper * is accepted for payment without restrictions anywhere in the world (including payment for gold) - you cannot call it waste paper
            Zimbabwean dollars - yes,

            Quote: sovetskyturist
            and try to make the ruble an alternative or one of the reserve currencies by providing energy and, in the first stage, gold

            So no currencies are made.
            Energy can not be a providing reserve - the same gold.
            because (suppose) turning the ruble into a reserve currency (providing it with gold - as you suggest) you will automatically encounter a situation where
            1. You will have to print new volumes of rubles - because reserve currency circulated around the world and accepted as a means of payment around the world
            2. But under these volumes of new rubles, you have to buy and buy gold again (as collateral for these rubles - they are also secured with gold)
            Well, I’m no longer asking where so many rubles come from (which you need to print. To buy gold. To provide newly printed rubles) - this does not work
            Industrial potential, GDP production and trust are the only things that can make the ruble convertible (for starters)
            1. soviet skytourist
              soviet skytourist 10 October 2014 21: 52
              +8
              at the moment, the dollar is not worth an equivalent stake. gold is not the power of the economy. the dollars are provided by the powers that sell their resources for them and provide their money as dollars in gold and foreign exchange reserves. printing unsupported money will give rise to a distant soap bubble, and it is not necessary to impose on everyone a reserve currency again
              1. atalef
                atalef 10 October 2014 21: 57
                -3
                Quote: sovetskyturist
                at the moment, the dollar is not worth an equivalent stake. gold nor the power of the economy.

                Why do you think so

                Quote: sovetskyturist
                the dollar is provided by powers that sell their resources for them and provide their money as gold and foreign exchange reserves

                Stupidity
                those. You want to say . that countries provide their currencies with worthless dollars?
                Otherwise, the meaning in such reserves?
                Quote: sovetskyturist
                printing unsupported money will give rise to a further soap bubble, and it is not necessary to impose on everyone again one reserve currency

                The dollar will be the reserve currency. until . while they trust him.
                And America pays its debts.
                1. soviet skytourist
                  soviet skytourist 10 October 2014 22: 07
                  +3
                  the question is how many trillions of dollars are in circulation and where are the capacities and or resources with which they are provided, the fate of those who have ceased to trust already all think I know they brought democracy
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 10 October 2014 22: 24
                    +2
                    Quote: sovetskyturist
                    the question is how many trillions of dollars are in circulation and where are the capacities and or resources with which they are provided, the fate of those who have ceased to trust already all think I know they brought democracy


                    but this is a completely different conversation
                    When you reach the level of the reserve currency, the only thing. what keeps her is trust because in general, to control all this mass is not real
                    This is the psychology of large numbers and personalities.
                    Like how a famous person came to you, you know that you are rich, you read a lot about him. you know that he has property (while you don’t know the true state of things, it’s generally not possible to check (he asks for a loan. You trust (only mainly on the basis of personal feelings) and give, he pays interest on loans (this is me about GKO of America) and does not give any reason to doubt it. and will continue until it deceives. deceives - the whole structure starts to collapse --- so it’s built
                    But the most interesting parodox is. that you, I and millions of people who have gained bucks or GKO of the USA, in a crisis of the system and even knowing. that they were lightly lit up so --- the first thing they will rush to save the debtor (in the hope of at least returning something 0, and not burying, and 100% lose everything
                    Remember MMM and those demonstrations of divorced people. knowing that Mavrodi divorced them and he has nothing
                    So . what did they scream Freedom Mavrodi. Mavrodi, we believe in you, etc. etc.
                    In the world the same thing and behavior is identical
                    The dollar will still be a reserve currency for a long time, do not expect, buy bucks - save your savings.
                    1. user1212
                      user1212 11 October 2014 05: 56
                      +7
                      Quote: atalef
                      The dollar will be a reserve currency for a long time

                      Maybe. But there is one caveat. What if several countries with large GDP refuse to accept payment in dollars and switch to national currency? Such countries will certainly lose at the exchange rate, but will not be susceptible to the financial crises of Europe and US pressure. Which countries want to avoid financial pressure from the US Federal Reserve, I think you understand. Most buyers will initially try to find alternative suppliers to maintain the familiar settlement system, but no product can be produced in infinite quantities. Refusal from one of the major suppliers will cause a deficit and a rise in prices, and an increase in prices for popular products is a serious reason to revise your habits. Demand for national currencies will raise the exchange rate, and an increase in the exchange rate will cause an increase in speculative investments in these currencies (currency exchanges). Here we need a careful calculation of course, so as not to depreciate our stocks of dollars and not give time to increase production by suppliers accepting dollars, but in principle it is possible. It is these calculations that China and Russia are doing now. Ultimately, the confrontation for geopolitical influence in the world is inevitable and you need to protect yourself. Whether Russia and China is ready to challenge the US Federal Reserve on the primordially American field of financial war is a big question. So for 10 years I’m sure of the dollar, but for 30 I wouldn’t make any guesses. Much depends on how the existing military and political crises are resolved, including in Asia.
                      Another interesting point is the NATO bloc. The US is the bloc’s main military force, but will it be beneficial for Americans to protect their largest lenders? After all, the military defeat of Europe will nullify the US public debt to the EU. Is this not one of the reasons for the constant attempts to anger Russia?
                      1. ordinary
                        ordinary 12 October 2014 15: 26
                        +1
                        reasonably bully but they’re unlikely to try to piss us off ... they’re just trying to ignore us ... both economically and politically
                    2. Shishiga
                      Shishiga 11 October 2014 17: 20
                      +1
                      The dollar will be the reserve currency. until . while they trust him.
                      And America pays its debts.


                      Remember MMM and those demonstrations of divorced people. knowing that Mavrodi divorced them and he has nothing
                      So . what did they scream Freedom Mavrodi. Mavrodi, we believe in you, etc. etc.


                      So you yourself have explained the "phenomenon" of the dollar. Everyone is afraid of the collapse of the system, but as soon as an alternative to green toilet paper is given (I know, you can not correct it, the dollar has changed its color), the sacramental phrase "The king is dead, long live the king" will be pronounced. And the slogan "Carthage must fall" will be put into practice. , in its new semantic meaning.
                    3. ibnvladimir
                      ibnvladimir 12 October 2014 13: 33
                      0
                      Yes, he still has to be a reserve currency for a long time. But the more bucks on hand, the longer it will remain the current currency.
                    4. observer.ru
                      observer.ru 12 October 2014 20: 31
                      +2
                      but this nonsense is the only thing that keeps the world currency not trust in it, but distrust of others. I explain: throwing out the dollar, America, America’s friends, America’s friends is NOT COMPLICATED. Question-Who will be the world currency? There are huge preferences for that. Russia with China against each other, and indeed BRICS. There is life after death (of America), but everyone has become smart. Until they solve the problem of a fair world currency, to which all but no hegemon are tied, no other green paper will be
                2. Starik72
                  Starik72 11 October 2014 00: 40
                  +4
                  That's right atalef. He printed a bunch of dollars and paid off debts. And tell me please, what is the dollar secured with if the USA is in debt like silk?
                3. abv44
                  abv44 12 October 2014 12: 40
                  0
                  where America pays its debts what are you talking about nonsense
                4. ibnvladimir
                  ibnvladimir 12 October 2014 13: 30
                  0
                  Currency is then expensive when it has a stable, and better growing demand. Am I wrong? Saddam and Gaddafi did not want to sell oil for dollars ...
                5. aleks 62
                  aleks 62 13 October 2014 13: 39
                  0
                  And America pays its debts .....
                  .... Well, yes ..... Printing the missing part of wrappers in the Fed printing house ....
            2. soviet skytourist
              soviet skytourist 10 October 2014 21: 58
              0
              [quote] [/ Industrial potential, GDP production and trust are the only things that can make the ruble convertible (for starters)] which in principe can measure the number. The energy expended during the production process is mainly based on machine labor rather than manual labor.
              1. atalef
                atalef 10 October 2014 21: 59
                -3
                Quote: sovetskyturist
                which in printsype it is possible to measure the count. The energy expended during the production process is mainly based on machine labor rather than manual labor.

                ?????????????????
            3. Locksmith
              Locksmith 10 October 2014 22: 29
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              While this * waste paper * is accepted for payment without restrictions anywhere in the world

              I dare to assume that these are your fantasies = de Gaulle can guarantee it, but tomorrow I’ll bring a ship with candy wrappers, for example 10000 lard, I want to sell gold paper at the CURRENT rate, how many seconds after I announce this idea will I live? wink
              1. atalef
                atalef 10 October 2014 22: 32
                0
                Quote: Locksmith
                I dare to suggest that these are your fantasies = de Gaulle's guarantee,

                ?

                Quote: Locksmith
                , for example 10000 lard, I want to sell gold paper at the CURRENT exchange rate, how many seconds after I announce this idea will I live?

                So drive first.
                1. Vek
                  Vek 11 October 2014 02: 16
                  +6
                  "So come on first."
                  - To the point. :) No one will ever sell gold-metal to anyone in huge numbers.
                  For example, I want to buy 1000 containers of gold, of course, I would be happy to sell it, there would be money. And nobody will load it in the container to me. They will act like this: here's a receipt for you that in their repository lies 1000 containers of gold belonging to ME. The most famous kiddock today is Germany (they don’t even get to look at THEIR metal). So the question arises, and not pieces of paper, does our Central Bank buy from gold for currency?
            4. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 12 October 2014 11: 40
              +1
              Teach materiel colleague. It is clearly spelled out how many rubles Russia can print and this amount is clearly tied to the country's gold reserves.
            5. ibnvladimir
              ibnvladimir 12 October 2014 13: 28
              0
              Why do we need to make the ruble a reserve currency?
        3. komel
          komel 11 October 2014 02: 00
          +2
          In my opinion, Russia does have concerns about the dollar and the euro due to sanctions. And she is ready to invest in gold on a rainy day. In calculations, gold is really not a convenient tool, but it serves as a good safety belt in case of unforeseen circumstances. Russia thinks like any investor about the risks associated with the currency and tries to invest in different portfolios ensuring its creditworthiness. Sanctions also posed another question for the Russian Federation, namely the development of its payment system with access to the international market. I think such work is being carried out and thanks to efforts within the framework of BRICS, it can unite other payment systems, for example, China. Within the framework of BRICS, the creation of a Development Bank will expand opportunities and give its participants financial reliability. It will not work to isolate the movement of capital for Russia; it is not Iran with which, by the way, Russia is ready to develop barter and mutual settlements in national currencies. The Russian Federation began to buy more than RMB, developing cooperation in the financial sector with China, including an increase in direct settlements in national currencies in trade and investment operations. The Chinese economy, as noted by the IMF this year, will begin to overtake the United States, and the seven including Russia, despite all the difficulties, show growth and development, which Western partners have long had no accumulated debts and reduced business activity.

          The dollar may be affected in China. They have long been talking about the distribution of funds invested in dollars in other portfolios, for a more balanced distribution and maintenance of their currency, which deserves to take the place of the world currency in mutual settlements on the world market. The purchase of Chinese yuan is equivalent for the Russian Federation and is quite capable of replacing the Western currency in the calculations.
        4. 97110
          97110 11 October 2014 19: 13
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          No, gold is a much more problematic thing.

          Yes, in dollars you can arrange boiling water. What should I do with gold?
        5. ibnvladimir
          ibnvladimir 12 October 2014 13: 14
          +1
          Well, to begin with, if it is possible to invest surpluses in gold, then why is it impossible to keep some part (let everyone decide for himself) of the main stock in gold. As I understand it, it's time to act like in the USSR. Tie off the ruble from everything in the world, but keep it exclusively for internal payments. To carry out foreign trade on conditions common to all countries. Those. for the United States, the conditions should be the same as for Popua New Guinea. And it will be a natural exchange or transactions in any currency of interest to us (it is possible that some equivalent of the ruble appears for foreign trading), they themselves will come up with something.
          Of course there are a lot of options, but I think this is the most profitable for Russia.
    4. Denis fj
      Denis fj 10 October 2014 22: 15
      +3
      .. Two opinions were voiced, the first, the cost price is now about $ 1000, but experience shows that for the sake of preserving production, enterprises will continue to mine until the price drops to $ 700 (-30%, in the history of the past) and another opinion, Explored reserves remained on 20 years, although 40% of gold revolves in a circle (jewelry, electronics, etc., is re-smelted and re-entered the market), but 10% of the annual market goes to non-returnable items, i.e. this is gold, no longer can be extracted. From which it follows that soon gold will become not just a scarce drag metal, but a strategic raw material, i.e. it is not there, you cannot produce products whose share of gold in the added value is incomparably small, or as in the case of enriched uranium, the one who does not have it cannot create weapons. There is no uranium, what a bomb can be, even though you even know how to make it ... and in military electronics, it’s really spent a myriad of ...

      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 13 October 2014 13: 46
        0
        in military electronics, it really consumes a myriad of ...

        ..... Not so much .... There was infa that on those. needs (electronics, utensils, etc.) with the union in the year spent about 5 tons ....
    5. Sterlya
      Sterlya 11 October 2014 00: 26
      +2
      Gold in its vaults, it is always gold.
      And the dollar, (like the euro), especially in American securities, is currently highly undesirable for Russia. In general, holding foreign exchange reserves in the currencies of countries living essentially in debt is undesirable. No one can infinitely inflate a bubble of internal, external debt
      1. ibnvladimir
        ibnvladimir 12 October 2014 13: 41
        0
        So, after all, everyone owes to someone ... And we and China, of course, are not as many as the USA, but the debtors are all white light.
    6. jktu66
      jktu66 11 October 2014 00: 36
      +2
      compare with France and Germany, where it is 60%.
      Germany, alas, is not the master of its gold. And France managed to return its gold from the mattress thanks to Charles De Gaulle.
    7. dmitrich
      dmitrich 11 October 2014 03: 25
      0
      Yes, if only because of sanctions, who cares. I still need to buy oil so far cheap!
    8. valokordin
      valokordin 11 October 2014 06: 31
      +1
      Quote: Magic Archer

      70% of Russia's foreign exchange reserves are dollars and euros. The Putin administration, which has taken a course to aggravate the confrontation with the United States, has decided to "reduce its dependence on these currencies in order to counter sanctions."


      70% of Russia's foreign exchange reserves are dollars and euros. The Putin administration, which has taken a course to aggravate the confrontation with the United States, has decided to "reduce its dependence on these currencies in order to counter sanctions."
      One has only to object that the Putin administration did not take a course to aggravate the confrontation with the United States, but the United States itself. And it’s possible, like de Gaulle, to collect Amer’s candy wrappers and exchange for gold, although what the frogmen can do is not a good bear.
    9. Zhekson
      Zhekson 11 October 2014 10: 27
      0
      so is France. All gold is a great tool for management. Only once did Charles de Gaulle try to take out the gold.
    10. Shishiga
      Shishiga 11 October 2014 17: 01
      0
      .
      But it will not work out like with the German gold reserve, which the Americans have arrogantly appropriated and do not want to return to Germany.


      There the question may be even more acute - not as if they don’t want to, but rather what they already can’t — they have consumed German gold, and not only German gold.
      http://veterok.tv/video/100629/Voennaya-tayna-s-Igorem-Prokopenko-11102014

      watch from 1h 23 min
    11. CAMS
      CAMS 12 October 2014 14: 52
      +1
      where is Germany gold !? In the USA! And he’s gone there already, and Merkel already knows about this, and therefore he is blowing into Obama’s pipe!
    12. Vladimir K.
      Vladimir K. 13 October 2014 08: 24
      +2
      Our stock was kept at our home and continues. And the Germans, along the way, were really thrown - even their not very confident "demand" to admit their own representatives to their own gold was rejected.
    13. bekjan
      bekjan 13 October 2014 14: 54
      0
      When buying gold, you need to check its composition, which did not work out when the United States sold gold to the PRC, inside the ingots turned out to be tungsten, in density close to gold and all covered with real high quality gold.
    14. netwalker
      netwalker 13 October 2014 17: 38
      +1
      In general, it is necessary to return the gold standard and / or transfer to rubles for the sale of hydrocarbons, then the dollar, and the euro will fall sharply. In the world, as long as something is being sold for a dollar, although it is not provided with anything, it is still needed. When you return to the gold standard, which was canceled for the first time in America, by the way, and switch to rubles, the US and EU economies will not just collapse - they will simply explode .. smile
  2. Karabas
    Karabas 10 October 2014 18: 24
    +20
    The dollar’s ​​position must not only be shaken, but also brought down.
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 10 October 2014 19: 14
      +9
      Quote: Karabas
      The dollar’s ​​position must not only be shaken, but also brought down.


      First you need to sell your stocks of dollars and American Central Banks at a good price, and only then you can destroy it.

      Quote: vsoltan
      This is significant ... in volumes we are already approaching the days of Stalin.


      No, it’s still far from the Stalinist reserves. Almost twice as much is needed.
      1. atalef
        atalef 10 October 2014 19: 40
        -4
        Quote: mamont5
        Quote: Karabas
        The dollar’s ​​position must not only be shaken, but also brought down.


        First you need to sell your stocks of dollars and American Central Banks at a good price, and only then you can destroy it.

        Quote: vsoltan
        This is significant ... in volumes we are already approaching the days of Stalin.


        No, it’s still far from the Stalinist reserves. Almost twice as much is needed.

        Gold is a dead load (state reserve) that gives the economy nothing, what do you think, now, what is the lack of liquidity (access to credit), the fall of the ruble (and constant dollar interventions by the Central Bank to maintain it), lack of working capital and funds , taking money and pension funds, welfare funds and talking about budget cuts and the crisis - take (and by no means superfluous) dollars and euros and drive them not into modernization of the economy, but bury them in gold? What is the purpose?
        1. avt
          avt 10 October 2014 19: 53
          +12
          Quote: atalef
          Gold is a dead weight (state reserve) giving nothing to the economy

          laughing First of all, tell USs who showed a huge cookie to the Germans, when those, of course, with a fool wassat , decided to withdraw, as they thought their gold from the US, how did they think again, the storage. Then we will talk for the dead weight, well, when they answer you.
          1. atalef
            atalef 10 October 2014 20: 06
            -11
            Quote: avt
            First of all, tell USs who showed a huge cookie to the Germans, when those, of course, with a fool

            don't read bedtime stories
            1. opus
              opus 10 October 2014 21: 18
              +11
              Quote: atalef
              don't read bedtime stories

              1.Read Gerd-Helmut Komossa (Mr. Gerd-Helmut Komossa) [b] Die Deutsche Karte [/ b], Major General MAD (!) Of Germany in retirement. For Germany, Major General is not a muhra muhra (not even a marshal us)

              2. On the topic, read the same
              Audit Report Audit of the Department of the Treasury's Schedule of United States Gold Reserves Held by Federal Reserve Banks as of September 30, 2012. Office of Inspector General. Department of the Treasury. - Wash., DC, January 4, 2013.
              A total of 14 pages, it’s not difficult to read, you can immediately from the last (13 sheets of bullshit)
              ...
              - given the volumes of gold stored in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in troy ounces, as well as in value [b] units - in 1973 prices and current prices (as of September 30.09.2012, 568). Accordingly (with rounding) - 23.892 million dollars and XNUMX million dollars. And in weight equivalent - 466,57 tons. [/B]
              Whiskers.
              Achtung !!! special attention to the personality of the auditors.
              So for reference, the second largest gold reserves in the world after the USA in Germany,[b] more than 1500 tons [/ b] in the US Fed reserve should be
              1. atalef
                atalef 10 October 2014 21: 30
                0
                Quote: opus
                And in the weight equivalent - 466,57 tons

                just crazy money 1.7 billion dollars.
                Just such grandmas. which, well, just tear the entire American financial system and raise the euro to an unprecedented height, etc.
                Funny.
                1. opus
                  opus 10 October 2014 21: 59
                  +3
                  Quote: atalef
                  just crazy money, 1.7 billion dollars.

                  I do not understand!
                  466,57 tons of it is SURVEYED BY AUDIT (1 n day with) WATER room ingots
                  .
                  Why in 1 day audit xs
                  Why in the first ONLY room -hz
                  Why not investigated (identifier) ​​ingots -hz
                  A lot of HZ.


                  Quote: atalef
                  tear the whole American financial system and raise the euro

                  I do not know . Hardly. Is it necessary to raise the Euro to unprecedented heights?
                  Have you been to Europe for a long time?
                  (I am a week ago).
                  Even a Sanifair ticket to write on which the equivalent of 50 cents is written is worth WHY THAT 70 cents (which is already a year), and coffee and everything else grew not even by 70 cents, but by 1-1,2 euros

                  Quote: atalef
                  Funny.


                  Well, yes, and funny and "fairy tales" for the night
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 10 October 2014 22: 10
                    -5
                    Quote: opus
                    I do not understand!
                    466,57 tons of it is SURVEYED BY AUDIT (1 n day with) WATER room ingots

                    yes at least 2 tons. the whole gold reserve of Germany, 7-8 billion bucks, in the States 100 billion a year went to the war in Iraq

                    Quote: opus
                    I do not know . Hardly. Is it necessary to raise the Euro to unprecedented heights?
                    Have you been to Europe for a long time?

                    Believe me . much more often than you

                    Quote: opus
                    Even a Sanifair ticket to write on which the equivalent of 50 cents is written is worth WHY THAT 70 cents (which is already a year), and coffee and everything else grew not even by 70 cents, but by 1-1,2 euros

                    Well, some kind of prices are rising. some fall, and? Connection?
                    1. opus
                      opus 10 October 2014 23: 26
                      +5
                      Quote: atalef
                      States on the war in Iraq 100bn.v year took

                      1 ton of gold is ONE ton of gold (it will be at least good from it)
                      $ 100 billion is paper
                      at 17 (or how many there) trillons of debt, it doesn’t matter
                      Quote: atalef
                      Believe me . much more often than you

                      maybe, although my sn flies off in 2a (and this is new, and this is in Schengen)
                      Quote: atalef
                      Well, some kind of prices are rising. some fall, and? Connection?

                      1. What kind of "fall" on the electronics of the old model, or what?
                      2. inflation (real, not according to the ECB inflated data):
                      I went to a grocery boutique of 50 brands up to the euro - I have a meal for a week, now 80 euros and the basket is empty. And this despite the fact that Germany is probably the cheapest PP in the EEC
                      Do you want to rent an apartment in Munich?
                      How much has passed?
                      1. Akuzenka
                        Akuzenka 12 October 2014 11: 55
                        +3
                        He simply confuses the costs of the war in candy wrappers and in real money (gold), and more precisely does not understand this.
                  2. abv44
                    abv44 12 October 2014 13: 02
                    +3
                    yes, from the love of fascistton, an oak tree already crashed into a blizzard
              2. Denis fj
                Denis fj 10 October 2014 22: 13
                +7
                50% of Germany’s gold reserves are in the United States, not including Britain and France.
                Recently, the German authorities turned to them to return the gold, but the United States waved it off and did not even show the Germans, but do they have it?
                It is possible that the United States has long eaten half of Germany’s gold reserves. )))
                The Russian state is doing the right thing.
                What is the point of storing unsecured US dollars and securities?
                Financial reserves should work for their own economy, not the United States.
                Gold, it is in Africa, gold!
          2. Turkestan
            Turkestan 10 October 2014 20: 32
            +3
            The Germans asked to conduct an audit of their GOLD in return received a FICO
            1. avt
              avt 10 October 2014 20: 47
              +5
              Quote: Turkestan
              The Germans asked to conduct an audit of their GOLD in return received a FICO

              The same phalos is in profile. And it’s also divine - Muamor for just wanting to bind the Levant and Africa to the golden dinar was simply killed, declaring hellish and not a handshake for DAM, although before that it was quite a kiss and even a tent in the Kremlin allowed to pose, before that you ... in his group of local bearers of democracy
            2. Lelek
              Lelek 11 October 2014 18: 48
              +3
              Quote: Turkestan
              The Germans asked to conduct an audit of their GOLD in return received a FICO



              The Chinese also insisted on auditing their gold reserves stored in Uncle Sam's bins. A part was checked and a part of marked gold was found to be missing, and a part of the ingots was replaced with gold-plated ingots. A thief - he is a thief in a striped star tunic.
        2. Shvonder
          Shvonder 10 October 2014 20: 26
          +17
          Quote: atalef
          Gold is a dead weight

          Said the Jew goi laughing
          1. atalef
            atalef 10 October 2014 20: 39
            -7
            Quote: Shvonder
            Quote: atalef
            Gold is a dead weight

            Said the Jew goi laughing

            Comrade Schwonder. Well, how is it without you. You are just sticking like a fish as soon as Jews appear on VO.
            1. Shvonder
              Shvonder 10 October 2014 21: 35
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              Comrade Schwonder.

              And I am glad to see you, comrade Karish! Go sit in the miklath, cool down. laughing
              1. atalef
                atalef 10 October 2014 21: 46
                -2
                Quote: Shvonder
                Quote: atalef
                Comrade Schwonder.

                And I am glad to see you, comrade Karish! Go sit in the miklath, cool down. laughing

                Oh, we learn a little Hebrew? And why did you decide. what's cool in miklata?
                1. Shvonder
                  Shvonder 10 October 2014 22: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  And why did you decide. what's cool in miklata?

                  And what is hot in your shelters? The mess, oh and the mess, but what about comfort, huh?
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 10 October 2014 22: 11
                    -3
                    Quote: Shvonder
                    Quote: atalef
                    And why did you decide. what's cool in miklata?

                    And what is hot in your shelters? The mess, oh and the mess, but what about comfort, huh?

                    Bender. go to the bazaar. buy a cock and fuck his brains.
                    Well, in an extreme case, tinkle.
                    1. Shvonder
                      Shvonder 10 October 2014 22: 35
                      +10
                      Quote: atalef
                      Bender. go to the bazaar. buy a cock and fuck his brains.

                      What is it? So are your nerves wrong? No way vanity laughing Some kind of nervous Jew now. And, I realized, itit-pound, the topic is about gold, damn it, as I completely missed it.
              2. twviewer
                twviewer 10 October 2014 22: 09
                +5
                Quote: Shvonder

                And I am glad to see you, comrade Karish! Go sit in the miklath, cool down. laughing

                it won’t work, he’s on duty here, it’s so obvious, especially with regard to economic pearls, what to do is not for every troll to be an economist :)
                1. twviewer
                  twviewer 10 October 2014 22: 50
                  +5
                  funny, sent me to the black list - tired of seeing the heart. I just sneeze on epaulettes. truth is more expensive.
                  1. Shvonder
                    Shvonder 10 October 2014 22: 54
                    +5
                    Quote: twviewer
                    funny, sent me to the black list

                    They are, these Jews, almost immediately there.
                    1. abv44
                      abv44 12 October 2014 13: 26
                      +1
                      he is not the son of Berezovsky this atalef
              3. abv44
                abv44 12 October 2014 13: 24
                +2
                Schwonder and he that Atalef is an economist inebriated laughing
                1. Shvonder
                  Shvonder 12 October 2014 19: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: abv44
                  Schwonder and he that Atalef is an economist inebriated

                  From him an economist, like a "Spanish pilot" from me, what is given in the ministry of absorption, he writes.
        3. Turkestan
          Turkestan 10 October 2014 20: 28
          +5
          and bury in gold? What purpose?
          PURPOSE less envy, both economically and politically, of world currencies of the world, the idiocy of the political (ACCIDENTS) of the world
          1. atalef
            atalef 10 October 2014 20: 40
            -5
            Quote: Turkestan
            PURPOSE less envy, both economically and politically, of world currencies of the world, the idiocy of the political (ACCIDENTS) of the world

            Yes ? And how?
          2. Velikoruss
            Velikoruss 12 October 2014 21: 32
            +2
            To consider parasites as idiots is a dangerous delusion. Underestimating this dark power, many were defeated. Even the accumulation of gold is not a panacea, it is just one element, and not a fundamental one, in the whole complex of measures to ensure the sustainability of the Russian economy. But all elements should be aimed at eliminating, or at least minimizing, the influence of hostile forces on it. These activities should include economic, political, ideological and military (yes, yes!) Aspects.
        4. Barsik
          Barsik 10 October 2014 21: 36
          +5
          Gold is a dead load (state reserve) that gives the economy nothing, what do you think, now, what is the lack of liquidity (access to credit), the fall of the ruble (and constant dollar interventions by the Central Bank to maintain it), lack of working capital and funds , taking money and pension funds, welfare funds and talking about budget cuts and the crisis - take (and by no means superfluous) dollars and euros and drive them not into modernization of the economy, but bury them in gold? What is the purpose?

          Everything that you said is valid, but as applied to the 3.14ndo model of the economy.
          fortunately, we do not live in 3.14ndostan. Following this model almost led Russia to collapse in the 90s. So let's not, as they say, have our own head on our shoulders.
          1. atalef
            atalef 10 October 2014 21: 47
            -5
            Quote: Barsik
            Everything that you said is valid, but as applied to the 3.14ndo model of the economy.
            fortunately, we do not live in 3.14ndostan. Following this model almost led Russia to collapse in the 90s. So let's not, as they say, have our own head on our shoulders.

            And what is the economy in Russia?
        5. Camouflet
          Camouflet 10 October 2014 22: 48
          +6
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: mamont5
          Quote: Karabas
          The dollar’s ​​position must not only be shaken, but also brought down.


          First you need to sell your stocks of dollars and American Central Banks at a good price, and only then you can destroy it.

          Quote: vsoltan
          This is significant ... in volumes we are already approaching the days of Stalin.


          No, it’s still far from the Stalinist reserves. Almost twice as much is needed.

          Gold is a dead load (state reserve) that gives the economy nothing, what do you think, now, what is the lack of liquidity (access to credit), the fall of the ruble (and constant dollar interventions by the Central Bank to maintain it), lack of working capital and funds , taking money and pension funds, welfare funds and talking about budget cuts and the crisis - take (and by no means superfluous) dollars and euros and drive them not into modernization of the economy, but bury them in gold? What is the purpose?


          The lost Aleph does not truncate in any way that the one who has all the finances in circulation may eventually be left without pants. And whoever uses "paper" as a function of preserving wealth, only loses his savings. So, pindobax since 44 (Bretton Woods agreement) in relation to gold has depreciated 37 times.
          Paper is a medium of exchange. Operational. And nothing more.

          Already tired of his amateurish judgments. From now on, I will know that he is the smartest and wants everyone else to think the same way.
          1. Shvonder
            Shvonder 11 October 2014 00: 33
            +5
            Quote: Camouflage
            Already tired of his amateurish judgments. From now on, I will know that he is the smartest and wants everyone else to think the same way.

            He is not alone, the whole kibbutz is working, Atalef-Karish is there like a foreman, there is a chairman, a party organizer, a team of seamstresses, and one non-goodie, they call Aron lol
            1. abv44
              abv44 12 October 2014 13: 27
              +2
              PPC tore me laughing laughing laughing
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 10 October 2014 19: 44
        +7
        Quote: mamont5
        First you need to sell your stocks of dollars and American Central Banks at a good price,


        Before selling off the bucks, you need to enter settlements in international auctions in rubles. Otherwise, not only without dollars and rubles, but without panties, you will find yourself. Economics is a delicate matter and "Hurray" does not work here. bully
        1. atalef
          atalef 10 October 2014 20: 07
          -3
          Quote: Lelek
          Before you sell bucks, you need to enter the calculations at the international auction in rubles.

          For this, it remains the case for small. make the ruble convertible and persuade customers to trade in rubles
    2. atalef
      atalef 10 October 2014 19: 35
      -2
      Quote: Karabas
      The dollar’s ​​position must not only be shaken, but also brought down.

      But as ?
      1. Turkestan
        Turkestan 10 October 2014 20: 33
        +2
        But as ?

        GOVERNMENT OF THE GOLDEN CHERVONETS
        1. Steel loli
          Steel loli 10 October 2014 20: 51
          +3
          Dead number.
          The Russian Empire has already passed this stage - it ended with terrible debts.
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      2. stoker
        stoker 10 October 2014 21: 19
        0
        Before that, I ALMOST completely agree with you. And from now on - no.

        The correct question is: "Why?"
      3. opus
        opus 10 October 2014 22: 07
        +9
        Quote: atalef
        But as ?

        1.A trade not in dollars, but in national currencies.
        Why is it easier? Why should Gazprom sell gas to Germany for HZ Dollars
        2.A to trade (including) for rubles, albeit at a discount (One difference between the UTS and the Central Bank is already a discount.
        3.A withdraw all assets from the Dollar (and the euro is the same)
        4.A to introduce a rate (0,1% -0,5%) of annual fees on foreign exchange deposits
        5.A introduce an excise tax on the sale of dollars to the public
        6.A to introduce "pseudo-restriction" on the purchase of currency by residents and non-residents to legal entities (especially banks), only under: a contract, an open PS, payment.
        7.A allow free purchase of gold ONLY for rubles (deposit in a bank), and
        solve this fucking problem with VAT when buying / selling gold
        8. Well, all the "organizational" methods
        1. slavaslava556
          slavaslava556 10 October 2014 22: 37
          -2
          It remains only to convince everyone of this fellow
          In the meantime,
          "Formula-1" in Sochi: advertising of Russia on wheels
          This weekend, Sochi will host the Russian Formula 1 stage. About 260 million euros were invested in the construction of the highway. Arne Lichtenberg, a columnist for the German newspaper Die Zeit, states: "Just like the Winter Olympics at the beginning of this year, Formula 1 cost Russia significantly more than planned: the final cost was twice the initial estimates." "We would have had to spend a lot more if we were building the track elsewhere," said construction manager Dmitry Zhukin. "Here, in the Olympic Park, we can at least use the existing infrastructure. This saves a lot of money."

          The route was designed by German architect Hermann Tilke. Many criticize him for building safe circuits, which makes racing more boring. But in Sochi, Tilke approached the construction in a different way, the correspondent notes. "Immediately after the start, the cars will pick up speed for a whole kilometer in a straight line. And they will enter the first corner at a speed of over 300 km / h. I think that this will bring a lot of action on this segment and give the cars the opportunity to overtake," said the German ...

          However, this action is unlikely to lure Russian viewers to Formula 1, the journalist notes. "This sport in Russia has absolutely no tradition," Lichtenberg writes, "and it will be difficult for fans from abroad to get to Sochi, because there are practically no direct flights to this city, it is not easy to get a Russian visa, and the conflict between Russia and Ukraine together is doing its job with anti-Russian sanctions. "

          Meanwhile, Formula 1 expert Christian Sylt believes that the Russian authorities do not care at all how many spectators come to the Russian stage. They don't even care about the popularization of racing in Russia. “With the help of Formula, they are most likely trying to raise Russia's popularity in the world,” Sylt is sure. He pointed out that "the Sochi stage is not at all tied to income from the sale of spectator tickets - it is largely supported and financed by the state," moreover, "Ecclestone and Putin personally discussed and signed agreements."

          "Positive headlines about Russia in these difficult times - this is what Formula 1's mission in Russia is," says the expert.

          Source: Die Zeit
  3. vsoltan
    vsoltan 10 October 2014 18: 25
    +2
    This is significant ... in terms of volumes we are already approaching the days of Stalin ... however, it seems very strong that in an extreme situation, dumping gold on the market will simply drop its value ... I think that assets should not only be kept in gold, but withdrawn earlier invested in securities of potential rivals ... few markets? Few banks? In various countries ... the region alone can provide much ... smart people don’t put all their eggs in one basket ... and this is the question of the Prosecutor General’s Office to the Central Bank ...
  4. Sasha75
    Sasha75 10 October 2014 18: 26
    +14
    Gold has at least technical use in electronics, and so on, and it is not convenient to use the dollar and the euro as toilet paper when burning heat)))))))))).
    1. jjj
      jjj 10 October 2014 18: 34
      +7
      Yes, and fishing sinkers are not bad.
      1. i80186
        i80186 10 October 2014 19: 20
        +8
        Quote: jjj
        Yes, and fishing sinkers are not bad.

        The world is on the verge of war. Whoever said that, and if in 1941 we had 2500 tons of gold, it is not known how the war would have ended, not to mention the post-war reconstruction, the atomic bomb, and in general. Such are the things.
      2. atalef
        atalef 10 October 2014 19: 41
        -3
        Quote: jjj
        Yes, and fishing sinkers are not bad.

        did you load of gold?
  5. DMB-75
    DMB-75 10 October 2014 18: 26
    +19
    ... and who would doubt it: laughing
    1. atalef
      atalef 10 October 2014 19: 42
      -9
      Quote: DMB-75
      ... and who would doubt it: laughing

      If it's just no funeral home advertising laughing wassat
  6. Stinger
    Stinger 10 October 2014 18: 30
    +15
    A picnic vest would say shorter than this article. Something like this: Putin is a head, even two heads. I wouldn’t put a finger in his mouth!
    1. wow
      wow 10 October 2014 19: 13
      +4
      Yeah, Vice Chairman Pound would have said just that.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 10 October 2014 20: 24
        0
        Quote: yo-mine
        Yeah, Vice Chairman Pound would have said just that.

        And then all the same I would have served ... yes
  7. Vadim237
    Vadim237 10 October 2014 18: 40
    +9
    It is necessary to buy not only gold but also platinum palladium and other strategic metals.
    1. atalef
      atalef 10 October 2014 20: 40
      -2
      Quote: Vadim237
      It is necessary to buy not only gold but also platinum palladium and other strategic metals.

      where are the grandmas from?
      1. slavaslava556
        slavaslava556 10 October 2014 22: 40
        -1
        This is a question of questions. Where is the money zing?
        The devaluation of the ruble will greatly affect the budget of the Russian Federation this year and the level of inflation in the future. The country's dependence on oil and gas revenues is only growing: the economy is on the verge of a recession, investors are selling assets amid US and EU accusing Putin of supporting rebels in Ukraine. The government is talking about freezing prices for socially significant products and is putting up for sale traditional Siberian resources that are not subject to sanctions.
  8. Iline
    Iline 10 October 2014 18: 42
    +12
    In addition to gold, without advertising, they began to leave palladium in reserve. Prices for it immediately jumped, car concerns in a panic. Automobile concerns in the West are very thoughtful.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 10 October 2014 19: 50
      +5
      Quote: Iline
      In addition to gold, without advertising, they began to leave palladium in reserve. Prices for it immediately jumped, car concerns in a panic. Automobile concerns in the West are very thoughtful.


      And if we introduce an embargo on the sale of titanium in the USA, we will see a "polka-butterfly with an exit." By the way, the same titanium has long been begging for India, China, Korea and Japan. bully
      1. atalef
        atalef 10 October 2014 20: 10
        -8
        Quote: Lelek
        Quote: Iline
        In addition to gold, without advertising, they began to leave palladium in reserve. Prices for it immediately jumped, car concerns in a panic. Automobile concerns in the West are very thoughtful.


        And if we introduce an embargo on the sale of titanium in the USA, we will see a "polka-butterfly with an exit." By the way, the same titanium has long been begging for India, China, Korea and Japan. bully

        titanium is not traded in long-term contracts (such as the United States only) titanium is traded on commodity exchanges on-line or the so-called spot contracts and prices.
        So . that either sell to everyone, or to nobody.
        It is they who can impose sanctions and not buy titanium, but with raw materials this does not work out.
        1. Velikoruss
          Velikoruss 10 October 2014 22: 36
          +2
          That they can impose sanctions and not buy titanium ...
          Gee, they have already tried and already "imposed", so they themselves do not know how to rake this pile
          but it doesn’t work with raw materials
          So it's by whose rules to play! Any monopoly allows, if necessary, to dictate its own conditions. It would be a desire and courage. Tell me about the violation of WTO rules? So they were the first to start breaking them.
  9. cosmos132
    cosmos132 10 October 2014 18: 45
    +3
    Gold is gold, and the pipeline to China is more important.
  10. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 10 October 2014 18: 48
    +8
    The sooner we bury the dollar (American), the cleaner the Earth’s noosphere will be.
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 10 October 2014 18: 54
      +2
      Quote: 11111mail.ru
      The sooner we bury the dollar (American),

      A Canadian and Australian for divorce leave? laughing
      1. atalef
        atalef 10 October 2014 19: 46
        -1
        Quote: Ruslan67
        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        The sooner we bury the dollar (American),

        A Canadian and Australian for divorce leave? laughing

        Hi, Ruslan, I told Sanya (back in April) - buy dollars - I didn’t believe (although I bought it later)
        The dollar (at least for now) and the dollar in Africa - like it or not
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 10 October 2014 19: 49
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          I said to Sanya (back in April) - buy dollars - I did not believe

          For him, the yuan and the yen are more relevant laughing it’s possible and North Korean something there, will become a millionaire good North Korean wassat
          1. atalef
            atalef 10 October 2014 20: 00
            0
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Quote: atalef
            I said to Sanya (back in April) - buy dollars - I did not believe

            For him, the yuan and the yen are more relevant laughing it’s possible and North Korean something there, will become a millionaire good North Korean wassat

            Here pay attention to the article
            By the end of the summer, there were sufficiently significant prerequisites for lowering the price of gold up to US $ 905 per troy ounce, and, in general, the market was preparing for this. But the situation has changed and the price of gold has risen sharply. There have been several large purchases of precious metals by large investment funds. Against this background, its price for the third time in its history broke the level of $ 1000 per troy ounce in just a few days, giving more than 5% growth.
            If we talk about further price trends, the possibility of adjusting the price of gold remains. It is possible that this year we will see the price of 970 dollars per troy ounce, plus or minus 10 dollars. It is worth noting that today its price is already below the mark of $ 1000 per troy ounce and is kept in the corridor of 985-997 dollars.

            This suggests one thing: unknown funds (and we generally know that it is Russia) are buying gold, the price (really falling 0 again pulled up - that is, there is a purchase at the maximum and after the end of the company for its purchase, 9 well, forever it will be, the price will certainly fall.
            And now can someone explain to me (since I probably have a little knowledge of mathematics), what's the point of buying gold at the maximum price, while spending $ 205 on the ruble
            If in the near future 9, or rather by the end of 2015), the Russian Federation faces a shortage of dollars, and the price of gold falls by that time, even by selling it, the loss will be at least 5-10%.
            This is what type. find a box of vodka, sell half the price, and drink the money?
            1. Shvonder
              Shvonder 11 October 2014 16: 00
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              If in the near future 9, or rather by the end of 2015), the Russian Federation faces a shortage of dollars, and the price of gold falls by that time, even by selling it, the loss will be at least 5-10%.

              What are you, what are you. Ideological ziono-pod.Pin.dos.niki, of whom to the devil and on this resource, must explain to us that the "quilted jackets" have gone wild with their rotten propaganda! In the light of the demons ... sorry, democracy is great! The dollar is forever! Obama is an apologist for peace! But the rotten "Rashka" is a subject for ridicule. Am I wrong, sub-American degenerates? No offense for normal people, if that. hi
              1. abv44
                abv44 12 October 2014 13: 30
                +2
                yes, definitely sub-american degenerates
            2. observer.ru
              observer.ru 12 October 2014 21: 04
              +1
              It's better to buy SGA government bonds, of course, right? "We don't cheat Gussky dgug dguga. This car will take you to Chicago and obgatno" (Brother-2)
          2. pensioner
            pensioner 10 October 2014 20: 25
            0
            Quote: Ruslan67
            For him, the yuan and the yen are more relevant

            Ruslan! How is it that dollars are not relevant to him ?? He smokes them! Have you forgotten?
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      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 10 October 2014 19: 57
        +5
        Quote: Ruslan67
        A Canadian and Australian for divorce leave?

        If the s.u.ch. dies, so will the fleas. What did Kyrla-Myrla with a beard scribble about in the "Manifesto of the Communist Party"? "Capital is an international force." He once treated fungal warts (milky-salicylic collodion 10%). A patch with a hole around the stuff. A swab with the indicated medicine on it. After a day or two, you trim off the dead skin around your beard and remove it. You treat ALL lesions. At some stage, an ejection from the mycelium occurs (germination in new places, reactivation of already seemingly liquidated foci). RECOMMENDATION: do not lose composure, do not retreat from the course of treatment, keep the very first "wart" as the main object. If the "mother" is killed, all the others will irrevocably wither away (subject to continued treatment). My left hand and right foot were affected (i.e. mycelium sits in the body!), But after two years of self-excision, there was one relapse on my hand (the very first manifestation, the first focus!). He cured my son in four months. So with green "greens" it is also necessary: ​​to apply sanctions throughout the field of manifestation of infection. Upon exhaustion of the resources of the focus of infection, the infection will subside. But don't forget about relapses and keep the situation under control. And most importantly - persistence and no doubt! Victory will be ours!
      3. sabakina
        sabakina 10 October 2014 20: 15
        +2
        On shoulder straps ... laughing
      4. pensioner
        pensioner 10 October 2014 20: 28
        0
        Quote: Ruslan67
        A Canadian and Australian for divorce leave?

        stop In no case! Them too negative For divorce, only Zimbabwean! yes
        a can of beer on July 4, 2008 at 17:00 local time was worth 100 billion Zimbabwean dollars, an hour later it began to cost 150 billion.
  11. simbeer
    simbeer 10 October 2014 18: 59
    +4
    A Canadian and Australian for divorce leave? laughing[/ Quote]

    Themselves die
  12. Koronik
    Koronik 10 October 2014 19: 07
    +1
    The US dollar was not backed up by gold not when, and now even more so, and its "funeral" is inevitable in the near future. So we do everything right.
    1. sanyavolhv
      sanyavolhv 10 October 2014 19: 33
      +6
      health
      set - because there WAS an American dolor supported by gold.
      1. Sour
        Sour 10 October 2014 20: 00
        +1
        Even the ruble was backed by gold. Actually - until 1928, when the gold circulation was canceled in the USSR.
        1. atalef
          atalef 10 October 2014 20: 26
          -8
          Quote: Sour
          Even the ruble was backed by gold. Actually - until 1928, when the gold circulation was canceled in the USSR.

          was not.
          There was a gold dime. a special bond that went independently of ordinary rubles.
          1. Sour
            Sour 10 October 2014 20: 36
            +6
            Quote: atalef
            There was a gold dime. special bond

            What are you saying? Really? And I didn’t know.
            The gold dime was not only a bond, since 1922 it was issued as monetary gold, in the form of a coin of 8,6 grams of the 900th test. He freely exchanged for rubles at a floating rate, and even accepted for payment. Moreover, it was used until 1928 as a means of payment in external settlements, along with standard bullions.
            When I spoke about the year 1928, I had in mind precisely the gold dime. \
            A paper (bond) remained in use until the war.
            1. atalef
              atalef 10 October 2014 20: 45
              -3
              Quote: Sour
              Quote: atalef
              There was a gold dime. special bond

              What are you saying? Really? And I didn’t know.
              The gold dime was not only a bond, since 1922 it was issued as monetary gold, in the form of a coin of 8,6 grams of the 900th test. He freely exchanged for rubles at a floating rate, and even accepted for payment. Moreover, it was used until 1928 as a means of payment in external settlements, along with standard bullions.
              When I spoke about the year 1928, I had in mind precisely the gold dime. \
              A paper (bond) remained in use until the war.

              Well ? Are we talking about a single ruble or something special?
              You can now buy a ruble made of gold and even pay them, does this mean otom. that all money supply was and is backed by gold.
              1. Sour
                Sour 10 October 2014 20: 50
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                and even pay them

                Nah, it won’t work. smile
                There is no gold circulation in Russia.
                So let's do it without imagination. None of the markets at the box office will be credited with a gold coin.
                But until 1928, a gold metal (and not in the form of a bond) chervonets was a means of payment. Including within the country. And without any restrictions exchanged for the ruble at any bank. After 1928, the ruble for gold could only be exchanged in a jewelry store. Now you can open a gold deposit in some banks, but in any case we are not talking about monetary gold. It has long been no longer in Russia for internal calculations. And for external ones - only in bullion.
                You are something a little wrong ...
                1. atalef
                  atalef 10 October 2014 20: 58
                  0
                  Quote: Sour
                  But until 1928, a gold metal (and not in the form of a bond) chervonets was a means of payment.

                  Well chesslovo, let’s talk without baby talk. it reminds me very much of the publication of a dollar exchange rate equal to 64 kopecks.
                  This ruble was not accepted as a ruble, but like many millions of ordinary rubles.
                  You are talking about two monetary systems operating in parallel in one country - if you call it collateralizing the ruble with gold --- then sorry.
                  Now you can open a gold deposit in some banks, but in any case we are not talking about monetary gold. It has long been gone for internal calculations in Russia

                  And that chervonets was monetary gold?
                  Did you come to the store and pay at par or at the rate?
                  What was the course?
                  1. Sour
                    Sour 10 October 2014 21: 11
                    +3
                    Quote: atalef
                    if you call it providing the ruble with gold --- then sorry.

                    Yes, of course. For the most stubborn, not wishing to acknowledge their ignorance, I repeat - Until 1928, the ruble was freely exchanged without restrictions for gold domestically. What is incomprehensible? Does this, in your opinion, not mean gold parity? What does it mean then?
                    Quote: atalef
                    And that chervonets was monetary gold?

                    Of course, it was in the form of a standard coin and accepted for payment. He was not only the property of numismatists, was a means of payment.
                    Quote: atalef
                    Did you come to the store and pay at par or at the rate?

                    I did not come to the store then. In 1928, my father was only 2 years old.
                    Quote: atalef
                    What was the course?

                    The course was floating until 1925. In retail, until 1928 there was free pricing (did you hear about the NEP?), So the seller himself determined the price in rubles and chervonets. In settlements between trusts, chervonets were also used, at the rate established by the state.
                    Since 1925, the gold chervonets has been equated to 10 rubles. In fact, this meant a solid gold parity of the ruble.
                    In foreign trade, the chervonets was quoted separately in relation to other currencies. Like the ruble now.
                    With the abolition of the NEP, the need for such a currency disappeared.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 10 October 2014 21: 24
                      -3
                      Quote: Sour
                      Until 1928, the ruble was freely exchanged without restrictions for gold domestically

                      not the ruble, but the chervonets.
                      Different things.
                      You couldn’t buy gold for rub, or rather you could. but for a few billion then rubles
                      Have you read the Republic of Shkid? Remember how many rubles they bought a gold dime

                      Quote: Sour
                      Does this, in your opinion, not mean gold parity? What does it mean then?

                      No, the ego speaks of an autonomous and parallel monetary system, within the national monetary system. No more.


                      Quote: Sour
                      Of course, it was in the form of a standard coin and accepted for payment. It was not only the property of numismatists, it was a means of payment.

                      And what was written on it? Chervonets - right, not a ruble
                      So what are we talking about?
                      Chervonets - in general in the common people he designated 10 rubles (and even that, because he was red), well, suppose that 25 Chervonets is 250 rubles. -- It `s that . what did they really cost?
                      Quote: Sour
                      Since 1925, the gold chervonets has been equated to 10 rubles. In fact, this meant a solid gold parity of the ruble.

                      To gold rubles, we again speak of a parallel, limited monetary system, which has nothing to do with the ruble (as a denomination of the State).

                      Would you at least read elementary literature on this subject
                      In November 1922, banknotes of 1, 3, 5, 10, and 25 chervonets were put into circulation. It was decided to refuse from banknotes of 1/2, 2 and 50 chervonets, although in 1928 a banknote of 2 chervonets was put into circulation. On banknotes it was recorded that 1 chervonets contains 1 spool 78,24 shares (7,74 g) of pure gold, and that "the beginning of the exchange is established by a special government act."

                      The top ten was valued at 12 rubles in the market. co-signs of 500; The State Bank, guided by the conjuncture, estimated one chervonets at 1922 rubles with joint signs, that is, slightly lower than the price of the golden ten ruble.

                      Chervonets was greeted with confidence by the population and was considered more likely not as a medium of circulation, but as a non-monetary security. Many expected that there will be an exchange of paper chervonets for gold, although no government act on the free exchange of chervonets for gold has failed. Nevertheless, the population exchanged paper dimes for royal gold coins and vice versa, sometimes even with a small overpayment for paper dimes (due to the convenience of liquidity and storage). Thanks to this, the course of the chervonets remained stable, which provided solid ground for the development of the NEP.


                      Quote: Sour
                      In foreign trade, the chervonets was quoted separately in relation to other currencies. Like the ruble now

                      Explain about --- like now the ruble. It is not clear what this is about YOU.
                  2. Steel loli
                    Steel loli 10 October 2014 21: 26
                    +3
                    About the gold ruble.
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    3. atalef
      atalef 10 October 2014 20: 25
      +3
      Quote: Koronik
      The US dollar was not backed up by gold not when, and now even more so, and its "funeral" is inevitable in the near future. So we do everything right.

      Now no one currency in the world is backed by gold. and if you make the ruble backed by gold. then Russia must create a gold reserve of
      Money supply in rubles (in cash and non-cash) on 20.09.14/30/XNUMX - about XNUMX trillion rubles .-
      that is, today 1 trillion - bucks (+ -) the piano does not play
      price per troy ounce --- 31 grams --- 1000 bucks, i.e. 30t. Bucks kilogram, 30mln bucks - ton
      To provide 30 trillion rubles of ruble weight with gold (given that the price of gold will not change) Russia will need to buy (I don’t say where to get so much money from, but nonetheless --- 33 thousand tons of gold
      And only then can we say that today's ruble money supply is backed by gold (at today's prices)
      Therefore, look real, neither the ruble, nor any other currency in the world in real realities will be provided with gold.
      1. soviet skytourist
        soviet skytourist 10 October 2014 21: 01
        +3
        At the moment, Russia provides the ruble with foreign exchange reserves that it receives in exchange for oil and gas, but we should sell our resources for rubles, and not subsidize partners
        1. atalef
          atalef 10 October 2014 21: 11
          0
          Quote: sovetskyturist
          At the moment, Russia provides the ruble with foreign exchange reserves that it receives in exchange for oil and gas, but we should sell our resources for rubles, and not subsidize partners

          the ruble is not provided with foreign exchange reserves
          Any currency in the world is provided with a combination of industrial production, goods (gold and reserves in foreign currency - this is the same product) and services - produced within the boundaries of the turnover of this currency.
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 10 October 2014 21: 56
            +3
            Guys, in my opinion, you rub rubbish here. Gold reserves are not an attempt to raise the ruble or convert the trade into gold. Gold reserves - this is a way to insure national money from instant depreciation, a kind of airbag. Well, along the way, a way to keep their savings at home, and e in the IMF or somewhere else. So fine for me, what's bad here?
            1. atalef
              atalef 10 October 2014 22: 05
              0
              Quote: Botanologist
              Gold reserves are not an attempt to raise the ruble or convert the trade into gold. Gold reserves - this is a way to insure national money from instant depreciation, a kind of airbag.

              It will not save from depreciation. but like some kind of airbag - unconditionally
              in general, the financial market is largely based on the psychology of people, which means, first of all, trust
              The people. upon hearing. that gold in reserves is fading - mentally (although gold in general does not play a grand piano in the financial system) - they will begin to transfer their rubles. dollars. Euro - in. something valuable (at that time 0 throwing off the money supply (often without any economic reason) --- that will come to the financial crisis.
              Look at the comments of the people. everyone says gold. gold . they are buying, but the whole gold reserve is 5-6 billion bucks. Not so hot what money - but people feel - something is behind the ruble.
              That's all. Psychology, first of all.
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      3. Sergey Medvedev
        Sergey Medvedev 11 October 2014 00: 13
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Therefore, look real, neither the ruble, nor any other currency in the world in real realities will be provided with gold.


        Yes, at current prices, with the untwisted dollar printing press, there really will not be. And that says two things:
        1. Gold is underestimated.
        2. The dollar is overvalued.
        And in general, gold, as a world value, has already outlived many paper currencies, as well as empires and civilizations.
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  14. saag
    saag 10 October 2014 19: 46
    0
    gold, gold, curious metal, no one thinks what they wear, for example, a piece from a star explosion
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  16. pensioner
    pensioner 10 October 2014 19: 57
    0
    I don’t understand very much: is it possible that our own production is not able to satisfy all the need of our country in gold ?? Yes, if you allow the local population to mine gold, but strictly for surrender to the state and under its control, then they will fill up with gold! Well, at least I think so. How many gold-bearing rivers, well, at least, in the north of the Perm region! After all, do not count! Only Zolotanok for Krasnovishersk you drive 3 pieces, Voels, Vaya, Vishera, Capelin ... Yes, and some of the locals still wash gold at their own risk ...
    1. sv68
      sv68 10 October 2014 20: 24
      +2
      comrade pensioner, alas, but it only seems so to you, local corruption is gigantic and even comes to the point that profitable mines artificially bankrupt or disrupt gold mining to buy up their nerves. It comes to the fact that the artel lapped and handed over gold in the 90s they don’t receive dough for months. as a result of this, people leave, and this state of affairs of local gods suits
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 10 October 2014 20: 44
        0
        Quote: sv68
        local corruption

        Technically, respected, technically ... Can we?
        1. Steel loli
          Steel loli 10 October 2014 21: 30
          +1
          Gold mining in Russia is 200 tons per year. More gold is mined in Kyrgyzstan, but they immediately sell it to Switzerland, by agreement.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 10 October 2014 21: 36
            +2
            Quote: Steel Loli
            Gold mining in Russia is 200 tons per year.

            Yes, I kind of read that no more than 220 tons ... And if you pull up? Yes, tons of 400-easy, and if you push, then all 600.
          2. atalef
            atalef 10 October 2014 21: 43
            -1
            Quote: Steel Loli
            Gold mining in Russia is 200 tons per year. More gold is mined in Kyrgyzstan, but they immediately sell it to Switzerland, by agreement.

            By the way. gold mining . the same is worth the money. And it is being bought up (for prospectors, 0 is the same for money.
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  17. Stoler
    Stoler 10 October 2014 19: 57
    +3
    Gold is forever - the rest is perishable. And this is the truth. Keep it up!
    1. atalef
      atalef 10 October 2014 20: 27
      -1
      Quote: Stoler
      Gold is forever - the rest is perishable. And this is the truth. Keep it up!


      So we are not eternal - why keep it?
      1. lestad
        lestad 10 October 2014 20: 54
        +2
        do you have a better option
        1. atalef
          atalef 10 October 2014 21: 12
          0
          Quote: lestad
          do you have a better option

          Of course I prefer a dollar in my wallet, a gold bar under my pillow.
  18. Sour
    Sour 10 October 2014 19: 59
    +3
    Quote: Armagedon
    . Gold is not paper ... So far, the eternal price of human life ... !!!

    Russia has been buying gold for a long time, since 2007, before the crisis began, they began to build up gold reserves.
    Over the past 6 years, the share of gold in the reserves of the Central Bank of Russia has grown more than 6 times. They began to increase their gold reserves when the head of the Central Bank was Ignatiev.
    By the way, China, too, after the onset of the crisis, began an intensified purchase of gold.
    The problem is that gold prices also fluctuate, gold has long been a commodity. But in any case, the diversification of foreign exchange reserves is a plus, not a minus. The decision is generally correct.
  19. Boris63
    Boris63 10 October 2014 20: 04
    +2
    Quote: sanyavolhv
    health
    set - because there WAS an American dolor supported by gold.


    That's right, "untied" after de Gaulle's claims.
    Little gold does not exist, let them buy.
  20. mirag2
    mirag2 10 October 2014 20: 13
    0
    And how to ensure the liquidity of the buck without a significant share of its support from Russia and China?
    The fact will also be shaken, and in the fact that then complete global financial collapse will develop, and gold will become the only liquid currency.
    1. Sour
      Sour 10 October 2014 20: 21
      0
      Quote: mirag2
      And how to ensure the liquidity of the buck without a significant share of its support from Russia and China?
      The fact will also be shaken, and in the fact that then complete global financial collapse will develop, and gold will become the only liquid currency.

      You are right, but the whole point is that you do not trade very much for gold, because it is not enough. Global gold reserves are not comparable with world trade, even with the upcoming rise in gold prices.
      In any case, securities will be used in the form of long-term liabilities of various states, and even the most liquid shares, as well as payments for some currency that will have reserve status.
      What is the currency? Obviously the one that represents the strongest economy.
      In order for the ruble to become a reserve world currency (not to be confused with freely convertible), Russia’s share in the world’s GDP should be significantly increased. That is, the weak position of the ruble is not the reason for the weakness of the Russian economy, but its consequence. Unfortunately, not everyone understands this.
  21. 3vs
    3vs 10 October 2014 20: 21
    0
    Big country needs a lot of gold!
    The rise of electronics, medical technology require a noble metal,
    and much more where gold goes ...
  22. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 10 October 2014 20: 50
    +1
    Better 100 grams of palladium - than 10000 green papers. The PRC does just that - study strategists.
  23. soviet skytourist
    soviet skytourist 10 October 2014 20: 51
    +4
    correctly there is no need to collect amerovka waste paper
    1. atalef
      atalef 10 October 2014 21: 03
      -4
      Quote: sovetskyturist
      correctly there is no need to collect amerovka waste paper

      Well, the squirrel will surely choose the nuts, but someone else (with the squirrel) will probably bottle - does this say that the dollar is worth nothing?
      I can tell you a terrible secret, today (since April) in Russia for 1 dollar you can buy 20% more than it was half a year ago, although not quite so, for some reason the prices are the same as for the buck, probably not yet they know that it will collapse tomorrow, and the ruble is already backed by gold.
      Storytellers.
      It seems that no one goes out to the shops.
      1. bubla5
        bubla5 10 October 2014 21: 19
        +6
        But it’s a paradox, you yourself tried the FRG example, you won’t live for 100 euros a month, and please pay 4,2 rubles to Russia. It means that you’re persecuting people with the star of David, it’s all the local currency prices, security currencies are different everywhere, and that means the ruble was just specially devalued
        1. atalef
          atalef 10 October 2014 21: 32
          -1
          Quote: bubla5
          about a paradox, they themselves tried the FRG example, you won’t live for 100 euros a month, and please pay 4,2 rubles to Russia. It means that you’re persecuting people with the star of David

          and you can live in Zimbabwe for $ 30, and?
          1. Roman 11
            Roman 11 11 October 2014 02: 29
            0
            Quote: atalef
            and you can live in Zimbabwe for $ 30, and?
            This implies an absolute value, and everyone considers it relative (weighted), if you take the entire range and food line, then a lot in the EU will be very expensive in comparison with us.
      2. soviet skytourist
        soviet skytourist 10 October 2014 22: 38
        0
        I do not claim that the dollar is worthless, but the fact that in Russia they accept for payment and not in the US rubles indicates the incompetence of leaders, I hope Putin and they will change this
  24. Megatron
    Megatron 10 October 2014 20: 56
    +1
    it is necessary to discard this smelly paper, and take a piece of gold.
  25. bex_ivan
    bex_ivan 10 October 2014 21: 21
    +2
    Solomon had so much gold that at a price it became like silver
    1. atalef
      atalef 10 October 2014 21: 33
      -1
      Quote: bex_ivan
      Solomon had so much gold that at a price it became like silver

      He simply had little silver, and then iron was worth more than gold. and the first aluminum - the same was more expensive than gold.
      An example of nothing.
  26. lonovila
    lonovila 10 October 2014 21: 32
    0
    -Yes, what gold is there ...

    -Also Pushkin in his poem "Eugene Onegin" mentioned Adam Smith ...

    "But I read Adam Smith,
    And there was a deep economy,
    That is, he knew how to judge,
    As the state grows rich,
    And what lives, and why
    He does not need gold,
    When a simple product has ... "

    -And Russia has a "simple product" ..? -Gold will not save the economy of Russia ... -Russian oligarchs do not need this "simple product" ... -they are just parasites of the state, and parasites are absolutely "purple-drum" ... -Our entire Russian economy ... For them ... - let Russia at least turn into a banana republic ... - what is it for them ... - the main thing is to pump oil and gas, make a profit and respond in time to the state of the "lower strata" ...
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 11 October 2014 19: 09
      +1
      Quote: lonovila
      - the main thing is to pump oil and gas, make a profit and respond in time to the state of the "lower layers" ...



      Think right. And the more you swing, the tastier.
  27. jekasimf
    jekasimf 10 October 2014 22: 00
    +1
    The volume of gold production in Russia is about 250 tons per year. You don’t need to buy anything, just lower the sales level. So don’t worry. You won’t be thrown as Germany. There is just a redistribution of gold and currency expenses. More currency, less metal.
  28. soviet skytourist
    soviet skytourist 10 October 2014 22: 22
    0
    you don’t have to get rid of the dollar, you need a replacement and the system must be changed to the measles, and this is not solved in a day
  29. Venier
    Venier 10 October 2014 22: 28
    +2
    the position of the dollar, the key currency, may be shaken.

    It’s time to send greenback to sailing.
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  31. slavaslava556
    slavaslava556 10 October 2014 22: 51
    -2
    It's not really about the dollar or the ruble. The point is the economy. Everything says that the Russian economy is worse than the United States.
    The Central Bank of the Russian Federation spends hundreds of millions of dollars a day in the market to support the falling ruble, writes Andrey Ostroukh in the blog The Wall Street Journal, "but the fight lasts only until 18:00 Moscow time." When the working day of the Central Bank traders ends, the ruble is allowed to float and this week in the evenings there were sharp depreciation. Russian exporters are holding back the currency, while other major players avoid buying the ruble.

    "When the Central Bank stops its intervention, the market becomes very shallow, and there is almost no one to satisfy the demand for foreign currency, if it arises. Only a few are at risk. Previously, foreign investment banks did it, but now they, of course, have no limits for trading the Russian ruble. ", - Sergey Romanchuk (Metallinvestbank) told the correspondent.

    "The Russian government is considering freezing the prices of socially important products as inflation approaches its highest level in four years, the government-owned Rossiyskaya Gazeta reported on Thursday," Andrei Ostroukh wrote in another article in The Wall Street Journal.
  32. voliador
    voliador 11 October 2014 00: 35
    0
    If the two major powers in conflict with the West continue to switch to gold, the position of the dollar, which is the key currency, could stagger.

    And nah ... we need these candy wrappers. Let the granny shove them in a deep black-ass ass laughing !
  33. Roman 11
    Roman 11 11 October 2014 02: 06
    +1
    Amid increasing debt obligations of leading countries, the Kremlin is trying to reduce financial risks by redistributing investments in gold. It was high time, or rather it was always necessary to do this - paper is paper, while the country is in order, its currency is at its highest ......... and gold has always been and will be the general equivalent of value, how many civilizations disappeared in which gold played the role money, but it nevertheless continues to fulfill its function, despite the fact that such a strong competitor as oil has appeared. Therefore, gold is an eternity, because it has been circulating as money for about 5000 years !!!!
    1. slavaslava556
      slavaslava556 11 October 2014 11: 37
      -1
      Where today can you buy something on the stock exchange for gold?
  34. Evgeniy.
    Evgeniy. 11 October 2014 07: 15
    0
    Can Gazprom and Rosneft start accepting payments in rubles?
  35. Wolka
    Wolka 11 October 2014 12: 55
    +1
    the trend voiced by the author in the article today is inherent not only in Russia, the EU countries are also preparing for "hard times" the US dollar is not an assistant to them in this, like the euro, for another year or two, and then the trend will only grow more and more, the Yankees will face hard times , worse than the 30s of the last century ...
  36. Olga Sinigrosova
    Olga Sinigrosova 11 October 2014 16: 54
    0
    The dollar is already wobbling, and so many conflicts have been organized (of course, they were organized by you-know-who). Buying gold is good for the country: fewer risks in working with a currency of dubious stability.
  37. serge siberian
    serge siberian 11 October 2014 20: 42
    -1
    the gold before the Bolsheviks of the Russian empire was more times in 4-5. a much larger number of the ataman of the seeds was transferred to the Japanese for storage. they really melted this gold later on for their coins. White-Czechs took about the same amount to themselves. and how much of it in the days of Stalin was mined in Kolyma and even later? and the author boasts 1112t. ridiculously simple. Americans after 1949 received an indulgence, so they are waving a dirty green "footcloth" for more than half a century. It's time to break it.
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 11 October 2014 21: 34
      +1
      Quote: Serge Siberian
      the gold before the Bolsheviks of the Russian empire was more times in 4-5. a much larger number of the ataman of the seeds was transferred to the Japanese for storage. they really melted this gold later on for their coins. White-Czechs took about the same amount to themselves. and how much of it in the days of Stalin was mined in Kolyma and even later? and the author boasts 1112t. ridiculously simple. Americans after 1949 received an indulgence, so they are waving a dirty green "footcloth" for more than half a century. It's time to break it.

      No need to repeat liberal myths and introduce the ignorant into temptation.
      At the beginning of World War I, Russia's gold reserve was the largest in the world of 1311 tons of gold.
      By the time the Bolsheviks came to power, the gold reserve was 852 tons, the rest was spent on the purchase of weapons in 15-17 years.
      In May 1919, there were 505 tons of gold in Omsk.
      Of these, Semenov captured 32,5 tons.
      The Czechs handed over 316,5 tons to the Bolsheviks, and 27 tons (just a completely loaded wagon of those years) were also lost during transportation from Irkutsk to Kazan.
      So there are very few unaccounted for when you consider that 171 tons were spent by Kolchak.
  38. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 12 October 2014 09: 44
    +2
    Now it is necessary not to miss the opportunity to get rid of US and EU debt securities and replace them with gold, the time of "H" is approaching when the US and its allies insolently refuse to accept them for payment, which has already been done by the US after de Gaulle's "demarche" with US dollars , they just took and announced that the dollar is no longer backed by gold, period! And what and who will prevent them from announcing now about the refusal to pay their government debt obligations !? After all, they squandered the United States, the German gold in their custody, and the US scam with the sale of tungsten gilded bars to China? Fraud, arrogance and meanness are the hallmarks of American politics and business!
    1. Foxmara
      Foxmara 12 October 2014 14: 03
      +4
      approaching, approaching
  39. Romass
    Romass 12 October 2014 10: 52
    0
    You have to be conscientious partners, like the West. In all possible ways, do the same as they = interest. Let them devour their liquid Gdego demo-unpleasant, tolerastic appetite.
  40. Wladimir71
    Wladimir71 12 October 2014 12: 40
    +1
    What is the point of selling oil for dollars and buying gold, you can eat it or refuel planes, tanks. The main resource of the state is man and his productivity in all spheres of activity. We’ll sell all oil and gas, and there’s a lot of gold and that. What if they don’t want to buy it from us so as not to collapse the markets at home. And gas is always needed. Maybe just save resources education to make free in Germany for foreign students even. To finally build houses and factories, or even develop small aircraft, but gold is for the lazy
  41. Foxmara
    Foxmara 12 October 2014 13: 59
    0
    "compare with France and Germany, where it is 60%"
    So where is German gold somewhere? Was there a boy?
  42. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 12 October 2014 14: 09
    0
    It is high time to abandon, as far as possible, calculations in green cut paper from overseas. First, he will agree with "serious" countries on mutual settlements in national currencies. And there it will be seen what happens next. Someone needs gas ... Settlements - rubles! Oil? Cook rubles! And gradually for other important export items the same way.
  43. face1000
    face1000 12 October 2014 15: 31
    +2
    American sanctions seriously affect the Russian ruble. But I think this is temporary. Sanctions will soon cease to be just as effective. I think the government has taken quality countermeasures. And what about buying gold, in my opinion the right decision.
  44. Arkan
    Arkan 12 October 2014 17: 26
    +1
    "Gold is money, and everything else is credit." J.P. Morgan.
  45. GDV
    GDV 12 October 2014 20: 49
    +1
    How to drop one currency and raise another?
    Solution, start trading at a loss.
    Suppose the state sells oil on the world market at a price of $ 100 per barrel, which is 4000 rubles in the currency of the state of the oil exporter, do you want to put the competitor’s currency up?
    Easy, make an offer to oil buyers which it will be difficult for them to refuse. The choice is to buy a barrel for 3700 rubles in our currency or for one hundred dollars.
    What do you choose if you are a buyer of oil?
    This obviously losing option has a lot of advantages, first, oil buyers will start buying the currency of the oil seller, which will increase the demand for foreign currency and thereby liquidity thereof.
    the second immediately connect competitors who are also not stupid and are likely to do in the market
    a similar proposal that could seriously shake the position of the dollar.
  46. Yellow white
    Yellow white 12 October 2014 21: 06
    0
    "The Putin administration, which has embarked on a course of aggravating the confrontation with the United States" -
    author, are you buh?
    it we then went on an aggravation, yes ???
  47. Libra
    Libra 12 October 2014 23: 13
    +1
    Quote: Camouflage
    yu, a man in a yarmulke did not mean history, namely Baghdad (Babylon), Tehran and other Arabs. Of names

    so that no one writes that in reality the amount of money should be as much as the total cost of gold reserves, otherwise inflation is what is happening now with those who are on the dollar, and in order to be saved it is urgently necessary to switch to gold otherwise the dollar of all will bury
  48. Fire
    Fire 13 October 2014 08: 29
    +1
    Guys on any hole with nooks there is a screw with turns smile this screw is slowly sticking to our western partners good that's just they still feel an orgasm and then it will be bo-bo hi
  49. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 13 October 2014 08: 31
    0
    Yes, all that remains for us now is to buy up gold and withdraw our foreign exchange reserves from the dollar and the euro - a dead currency in the near future, since these currencies have already depreciated themselves, but the world, as a suffocating fish for lack of another popular currency, has gone mad and has collapsed everything with its excitement other national currencies. Soon, this trend will slowly subside, as the main players have already begun to switch to trade between separate states in their own currency (China is already trading with a geyropa in euros and yuan, the same is happening in Russia with China, in Russia with Latin American countries)
  50. patriot-rf
    patriot-rf 13 October 2014 08: 46
    +1
    If the two major powers in conflict with the West continue to switch to gold, the position of the dollar, which is the key currency, could stagger.
    cannot stagger, but necessarily stagger