Rogozin: the government has considered the possibility of creating a digital production center in the defense industrial complex

A digital production center can be created in the military-industrial complex. RIA News With reference to Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

“Today, in the House of the Government of Russia, the Collegium of the MIC RF considered the proposal of the Advanced Research Foundation to create an Center for Additive Technologies and Digital Production in the interests of the defense industry,” Rogozin told Facebook.

In connection with the sanctions announced by the West, Rogozin has repeatedly stated the need to provide Russia with its own products. He noted, for example, that the Russian Federation could independently establish "the production of microelectronics for space." According to him, the sanctions for industrialists - "this is a test of national character."

Comments

[navara399]

Time has shown that this is a strategic necessity and there is nothing to shake the air, but we need to roll up our sleeves to work on it.

[Korvin1000]

Yes, it's high time.
All sorts of Chinese, Taiwanese can, but we do not. And to launch rockets, we buy chips from them.
But in the USSR it used to be.

[Retarg]

All sorts of Chinese, Taiwanese can, but we do not.

INTEL factories are located in China, and AMD in Taiwan. That is, all on American technology. They do not want and will not place with us, even equipment and technology will not be sold.

[hyperion121]

The Chinese generally do their processors too.

[arch_kate3]

Long? And now where to receive kickbacks to bureaucrats? Well done Rogozin, sold the mafia selling!

[Monge]

All sorts of Chinese, Taiwanese can, but we do not. And to launch rockets, we buy chips from them.
But in the USSR it used to be.

Yeah it was .. NPO "Svetlana" in St. Petersburg produced microcircuits. Go to the site of this giant and in the column "services" in the first place "provision of premises for rent." Remove the blinds from the eyes.

[nfoma80]

Here! And it turns out that there are beautiful speeches, and the last factories are ruining and selling, for the construction of shopping centers. Build and restore, not develop and saw.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Do not create but use for a long time! slept ...

[Stanislav 1978]

The idea is good. The next cut would not have turned out, as very often happens.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Stanislav 1978

The idea is good. The next cut would not have turned out, as very often happens.

I think Rogozin will not allow a cut ...

[Giant thought]

A good and necessary solution, albeit a bit late. Only now I would like to receive information on activities for the benefit of the state of nanotechnology issued to the mountain by the Chubais department, something is nowhere and nothing is said about it.

[FACKtoREAL]

Only now I would like to receive information on activities for the benefit of the state of nanotechnology issued to the mountain by the Chubais department, something is nowhere and nothing is said about it

firstly, IT is a state secret!
secondly, nobody will understand ANYTHING ...
thirdly, see paragraphs 1 and 2!

[igor.borov775]

Well, so far, while the media have been trumpeting the AFK SYSTEM, a statement quietly slipping in about investing large funds of this company itself, Yes, they decided to put things in order in GLONASS, the state invested a lot of money and there’s very little access to the mountain. Now this company with its money will deal with this problem. Although one black hole will be smaller,

[Svetlana]

Yes, and something was silent about Chubais. Someone like some kind of sudden checks began Rusnano?
"In 2007-2012, expenses amounted to more than 196 billion rubles. Over 5 years, 6 billion rubles were spent on administrative and economic needs, on personnel accommodation (purchase and repair of a part of the building) - 5,3 billion rubles, on consulting and expert services - 4 billion rubles, for security - 560 million rubles, for transport - 850 million rubles. 7 billion rubles were spent on wages and social benefits, the joint venture calculated. Labor costs per person from 2007 to 2012 increased from 65 thousand rubles. rubles up to 593 thousand rubles, or more than 9 times. ... At the time of the check, the presence of any documents confirming the effectiveness of the investments made was not established. ... A number of transactions carried out through investments have signs of laundering and legalization funds, obtaining unjustified tax benefits, understating taxable income, unjustified receipt of VAT refunds from the budget in export-import operations. "
Source: - Chubais invested in bankrupt // Gazeta.ru 09.04.2013

[igor.borov775]

Hi, you need to rejoice and do not want to. In order to mature before such decisions, our ruling elite needs a good kick. As this is all familiar especially recently, liberal gentlemen have not heard anything, sometimes they voice their opinions and they take such a longing to build and like to edit them. At RBC, sometimes in their interviews they give such pearls that it becomes sad and insulting to become. Today it is necessary to comment carefully not to offend their troubles you can make money. They clearly pray for America, our economists do not see others at point blank range. It’s like the Bible for them. And to get this thing done, not a little time will pass. They have been talking about this for a long time and now they say the time has come. They can’t deal without a kick, which has already become a bottleneck, Now we are witnessing a drama called SMOKING MIXTURES have learned a lot about our respected management structure. Not weak works a lot of blabbering about decision making. So figure out how many rooms and different approvals you need to go through. Yes, I think our government is far from the government of Primakov, but it was even more difficult for them

[FACKtoREAL]

type Intel or AMD - to the extremes ?!
LIVE!

[Retarg]

We cannot replace, since we have neither technology nor equipment for a new generation of processors, and the percentage of rejects is high.

[3vs]

Yes, it appears quietly:

Microprocessor Elbrus-4С - http://www.mcst.ru/mikroprocessor-elbrus4s
Certified ALT Linux - http://www.altlinux.ru/
RELEX Group of Companies - a family of domestic highly protected
DBMS Linter - http://www.linter.ru/ru/
Again, Kaspersky is quietly sculpting his protected from scratch
operating system for industrial operation of process control systems.
Yes, there are probably a lot of interesting things in the country.
There would be a desire and targeted funding ...

[Prikaz4ikov1992]

Microprocessor Elbrus-4С - http://www.mcst.ru/mikroprocessor-elbrus4s
Certified ALT Linux - http://www.altlinux.ru/
RELEX Group of Companies - a family of domestic highly protected
DBMS Linter - http://www.linter.ru/ru/
Again, Kaspersky is quietly sculpting his protected from scratch
operating system for industrial operation of process control systems.
Yes, there are probably a lot of interesting things in the country.
There would be a desire and targeted funding ...

This is all small things. To really go on a great voyage, you need to go to the end consumer, to people to ordinary users.

[3vs]

It’s not a small thing if our government cares to
budget organizations used domestic products,
in particular, the same Linter in accounting, then 1С will be puzzled in supporting
this DBMS in the product, another will reach for it.
And so to argue, you can hang a lock on the gate, "All went to IBM, Intel, AMD, Microsoft, Oracle ..."

[Prikaz4ikov1992]

budget organizations used domestic products,

Once again, this will not pay for production; you need to reach the ordinary consumer. What would the wasps sell in millions of copies. That would be any kind of program for it, entertaining content, and so on. From the fact that you will work with budgetary organizations and the military, you will simply burn through because the expenses will not pay off stupidly. And then tomorrow, God forbid, they will impose additional sanctions and ban the import of electronics in Russia. How does an ordinary business work? What should an ordinary person do at home? What to work then? We need massive inexpensive PCs, laptops, tablets, with an affordable and easy-to-use OS. On which all sorts of offices, graphic editors, engineering programs, video games, reading rooms and so on will be made. Then, we will not be afraid of any sanctions.

[ISKANDER25]

Hello! In! Import substitution!

[siberalt]

The time has come for us to lustrate our government. It is already underway, albeit without a "pomp". Without changes in the Constitution, we will continue to pound in one place.

[Retarg]

May I ask?

What do you want to change there?

[fridge]

I think Ragozin and other patriots will still overpower the liberals and in Russia many of the necessary industries will open.

[Retarg]

They will not, since we are already far behind. We need to negotiate and buy ready-made technology and equipment today, but alas, they will not sell it to us.

Example: The Elbrus-2C + microprocessor is made according to the 90 nanometer manufacturing process, Intel Sandy Bridge (Intel CORE i3-i7) is made from the 32 nanometer manufacturing process.

[Alexashka]

Can I speak Russian?

[Retarg]

Improving the technology and proportionally reducing the size of semiconductor structures contribute to improving the characteristics (sizes, power consumption, operating frequencies, cost) of semiconductor devices (microcircuits, processors, microcontrollers, etc.). This is of particular relevance to the processor cores in terms of power consumption and increased productivity

The smaller - the better with the same geometric parameters of the processor.

[Prikaz4ikov1992]

32 nanometer process technology.

32 is already old. What can I say if 12 directors were already announced in the 15 year. It’s not enough to get those processes. Is it necessary that there would be tasks for such things, or do you think in the west the game prom is just contained? It is necessary to purchase technologies and make production and develop the game industry. And the military alone cannot cover all the costs.

[Retarg]

32 is already a junk. What can I say if 12 directors were announced in the year 15.

I compared it with what is used in every home.

And yes, our micro-electronics got stuck in 2003 years.

[Prikaz4ikov1992]

And yes, our micro-electronics got stuck in 2003 years.

And whatever it is, you need to go out to business and ordinary people as consumers and our Russian game industry that will keep the electronic industry in good shape. There is little use for war, firstly, strong processor capacities are not needed; secondly, the sales market is too small, so it is necessary to occupy the market of the vehicle of our allies and the countries of the 2 and 3 worlds.

[Retarg]

it is necessary to occupy the market of the vehicle of our allies and the country of 2 and 3 worlds.

In order to occupy the market of the second and third world, mass and cheapness are needed, but alas, our campaigns cannot provide this.

[Neophyte]

This process is already underway! Rogozin’s statement is for the demented in the West, because they consider us a backward country. But they must be convinced that we can! And we can, everything is ahead.

[Retarg]

In microelectronics, we are not just a backward country, we are a mega-backward country.

[shishakova]

Thank God that they woke up the Russian bear))
Thanks to the EU and the USA for the sanctions.

[gormih]

If you look at the realities - for example, in Zelenograd, for example, 130 nanometers could not even be launched before the sanctions, and there are still steps ahead of 90 nanometers, no one even dreams of 22 in Russia now.
We are at least 15 years behind, and there are very few chances to catch up under the conditions of sanctions; this is a reality.
Rogozin personally does not inspire confidence when he starts talking about electronics, but time will tell!

[Retarg]

And INTEL is going to release processors for the 14 nanometer process next year.

[Alan]

You do it first !! Tired of this self-PR. We need to work as our fathers and grandfathers worked!

[Retarg]

We need to work like our fathers and grandfathers worked!

Well, live to the factory, to the machine, you’re sitting here on bourgeois Internet

[Alan]

And from my youth I was first at a construction site, then at a factory at the machine tool, and now I work with young people. So the machine tool does not scare me if you need to get up. I do not regret that I received a working specialty after school.

[Monge]

You do it first !! Tired of this self-PR. We need to work as our fathers and grandfathers worked!

Are you ready to work like that? I dare to remind you that only on 7 of March 1967 of the year was a decree establishing a five-day working week with two days off in the USSR. Can we work without days off and select passports?

[Prikaz4ikov1992]

Are you ready to work like that? I dare to remind you that only on 7 of March 1967 of the year was a decree establishing a five-day working week with two days off in the USSR. Can we work without days off and select passports?

If it presses and becomes the question of chewing the country, then my dear no one will ask you. All economic miracles were always built on the bones of ordinary people; this is just an objective reality.

[Monge]

question about the survival of the country

Here the main thing is not to go too far. And for an economic miracle, the desire of leadership and conditions are necessary. I don’t see the desire ... just chewing

[Alan]

I’m not only ready, but I work 6 days a week so that work doesn’t scare me, but about:

Quote: Monge

Maybe we will work without days off and select passports?

no need to distort and bring everything to the point of absurdity, such as the recent "throw-in" about a 4-day working week

[raid14]

It is necessary to eliminate Russia's backwardness in the field of dual-use technologies, to develop and implement its own interbank payment system, to develop and transfer software to a domestic OS. In connection with the introduction of sanctions and attempts to isolate Russia, this is vital for the development of an independent state economy.

[Retarg]

patriotic OS

Is there such a thing?

develop and translate software

Who will do this?

Who will rewrite the same MathCad under the "Domestic OS" unknown to the world and science?
What about a bunch of specialized programs?

[hyperion121]

And it can not be launched on Linux via vine? Or maybe there are analogues of matkada for Linux?

[Normal]

I do not believe in Rogozin. A lot of PR and a little business.

[gormih]

Quote: raid14

It is necessary to eliminate Russia's backwardness in the field of dual-use technologies, to develop and implement its own interbank payment system, to develop and transfer software to a domestic OS. In connection with the introduction of sanctions and attempts to isolate Russia, this is vital for the development of an independent state economy.

Who argues. The question is, when will the CIA personnel be finally removed from the leadership of defense enterprises ...

[Normal]

Quote: gormih

will remove from the management of defense enterprises staffing the CIA ...

Do you have examples of such a guide? Bring ...

[gridasov]

Russia must first begin to revive the prestige of science. Not to copy already a secondary production product, but to create your own individual and built on scientific new ideas. All electronic components are built on linear principles without exception, which corresponds to fundamental knowledge about space and the distribution of polarization in it. The same capacitor is built as a system of two banal planes, which is primitive and not effective. The same induction coils with negative effects. At the same time, conservatives and dogmas continue to rule in science. All science must be made dependent on implementation practice. Like the Americans. There is substantiated progress in practical application - investments continue. No, take a walk.

[pahom54]

Quote: gridasov

All science must be made dependent on implementation practice. Like the Americans. There is substantiated progress in practical application - investments continue. No walk

By the way, on these principles, it would be necessary to organize the financing of the same red NANO ... Yes, and Skolkovo too ...
Too many 3,14 are talking about venture (risky and long-term) financing of science .. That is 3,14 hours ... Because business is indifferent to this, and you have to strain (i.e. cut) the country's budget ... And in the West it's been around a long time ...
And there would be no such questions as: Where is the money, Zin ???

[fly fishing]

Quote: Retarg

patriotic OS

Is there such a thing?

There is http://tuxologia.omg-linux.ru/2011/01/linux.html

[Retarg]

This is not a domestic OS, these are ordinary assemblies based on a foreign LINUX OS.

[kyznets]

It is possible to create a center for these "additive" and digital technologies, but the question arises: who will work in it? In the sense, not to be listed and receive a salary (good, budget), namely to work on what they created for. Until there is responsibility for the required work, there will be no work itself, there will be beautiful reports. Chubais testifies to this. Second, how will all this be developed and produced? Who will do it: production (qualified) personnel, equipment, production facilities? And the last thing - under whom will they work: who sets the task, who finances, to whom will they be responsible for execution (or non-execution)? None of this is now and in the future. Moreover, these electronic auctions ... You need to look soberly. There are no conditions in the country for the development of elementary machine-building or metal-working production, and there are no prospects for high-tech production. The conditions are only for trading - speculation. And Rogozin talks about a scientific and industrial breakthrough. To drive on ice, you need studded tires, and we do not just go on a summer one, but also on a "bald" summer one. Our production operates on the remnants of Soviet equipment and Soviet developments and technologies. It’s not nice when we are being “forced” with a deliberately propagandistic “bullshit”. Now we can develop ONLY EXTENSIVELY. There are no conditions for an intensive path of development. First of all at the top.

[gridasov]

Hardly anyone will understand, but there are developments in the field of creating a multipolar coding system as a mathematical basis for creating computers that do not operate on binary code. Sooner or later, everyone will understand that there are limits to the possibilities of working along the linear vector of moving the "code" and increasing the speed and, accordingly, productivity. So that not so backward Slavs.

[Prikaz4ikov1992]

gridasov UA  Today, 11: 07 New


Hardly anyone will understand, but there are developments in the field of creating a multipolar coding system as a mathematical basis for creating computers that do not operate on binary code. Sooner or later, everyone will understand that there are limits to the possibilities of working along the linear vector of moving the "code" and increasing the speed and, accordingly, productivity. So that not so backward Slavs.

What are you going to do all this on? Once again, in technology, we are not just behind our vision of the development of microelectronics. We have nothing to do on this. How can you not understand this? And nobody the hell is selling us. And we steal that we can.

[gridasov]

Mathematics is the basis for constructing an effective analysis of what we live in and in which direction and how to move. Without changing your ability to really perceive the world, there will be no progress. His vision often turns into a kind of blind kitten poking in search of. You also need to get into the right direction of research. Therefore, without analysis, nowhere.

[Retarg]

without changing your ability to really perceive the world, there will be no progress

I agree that each scientist is obligated to take LSD three times a day to change the ability to perceive the world.

I seriously, most scientists in the US and Europe are sitting on nootropics (drugs that have a direct activating effect on learning, improve memory and mental activity) and amphetamines and other drugs.

[gridasov]

Yesterday I tried to explain to associate professors and professors of Moscow State University that turbulent hydro-gas dynamic processes must be solved as complex mathematical problems. So they were ready to burn me at the stake of the Inquisition. Maybe sometimes it's better to calm down LSD. Any sane person would ask to explain, but these are hysterical and with threats, not to let them communicate.

[Retarg]

Maybe sometimes better, to calm the LSD

So buy, there will be nothing from one brand, at the same time look at the world from a different angle. Maybe you’ll come up with something else, here’s two live examples

Nobel Prize Laureate (1962) Francis Crick discovered the molecular structure of DNA under the influence of LSD

Nobel Laureate (1993) Kerry Mullis advocates the use of LSD. He stated that the visualization of the polymerase chain reaction - the discovery for which he received the Nobel Prize - was due to the adoption of LSD

So everything is in your hands.

[Normal]

Quote: Retarg

So everything is in your hands.

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[IAlex]

Apparently they explained at the level of "I think so" that's why the reaction was such ...

[kyznets]

To overtake everyone, it is not necessary to break through the crowd running ahead. Sometimes it’s easier to take a step to the side, tear to the side and cut off the corner, or by running around the side of everyone, to break forward. This is clear! It is possible, of course, and so, but this applies to science and technology, but there are still no conditions for a breakthrough in production. Economics, production, people, education, legislation are all SAME, aimed at profit from trade within the country (import) and abroad (raw materials and natural resources)!

[Nitarius]

I respect Putin ... but his half-actions are sometimes very incomprehensible ... HE is probably for the best! BUT THE ECONOMY IS NOT TRANSFERRED TO OTHER RAILS, we are rolling on the thumb!
I want to believe in a MIRACLE ....

I have become apprehensive about the words of Mr. Lord Rogozin!


trembling a LOT .. deeds A LITTLE ..... DOESN'T SPEAK but DO AND PI .. DELIVERY IS NECESSARY TO BE GIVEN FROM GENERALS TO THE MANUFACTURERS!
RECENTLY, we have closed a small factory in TOMSK .. HE did mine detectors! maybe they are a little outdated, but what hindered on HIS BASIS will build a new PRODUCTION when there are READY FRAMES .....
there were a lot of people AGE! but EXPERIENCE THAT YOUTH FROM WHERE WILL TAKE!
IF WE ROOT THE ROOTS .. THERE FROM WHERE THE MIND TREE WILL GROW .....

[IAlex]

As usual: plans, projects, loot and that's it ...

[rennim]

Production will be established today. Budget money i.e. people will tumble. And then how the Kalashnikov concern will be sold to the same Bochkarev ... How much is it possible ??? Is the state unable to independently develop national companies.

[Cenij150814]

It smells of another Skolkovo no more, while old enterprises are being closed, and most importantly, these cadres are lost. I plan another cut

[Ze Kot]

Quote: Monge

All sorts of Chinese, Taiwanese can, but we do not. And to launch rockets, we buy chips from them.
But in the USSR it used to be.

Yeah it was .. NPO "Svetlana" in St. Petersburg produced microcircuits. Go to the site of this giant and in the column "services" in the first place "provision of premises for rent." Remove the blinds from the eyes.

Everything has been rented there for a long time. Even the access railway tracks have long been removed.

Quote: gormih

If you look at the realities - for example, in Zelenograd, for example, 130 nanometers could not even be launched before the sanctions, and there are still steps ahead of 90 nanometers, no one even dreams of 22 in Russia now.
We are at least 15 years behind, and there are very few chances to catch up under the conditions of sanctions; this is a reality.
Rogozin personally does not inspire confidence when he starts talking about electronics, but time will tell!

They launched 90nm like ... They bought a line from "oracle" or "SUN" ... It's like a 3 Pentium-2000.

[hyperion121]

It seems like Angstrem has already approached 45nm. This is quite good, and processors made according to such a technical process, but on a different architecture, like Elbrus, turn out to be, if not faster, then quite at a level with foreign counterparts.
It seems to me that the same processors can be purchased from the Chinese, and gradually they have the same equipment for the production of semiconductor electronics.