State Duma deputy invented how to get rid of hazing in the army

Member of the State Duma Committee on Defense, United Russia Alexei Zhuravlev proposes to adopt a bill, according to which the call in the Russian army will be held once a year. According to the politician, in this way one can get rid of hazing by dividing the streams of "those who have only called and those who have already served."

“One of the ideas is to make a call not once a year, but once. In this way it will turn out to dissolve the flows of those who only called and those who have already served, having saved the soldiers from hazing. And also this measure will be able to reduce the expenditure of budgetary funds spent on organizing and conducting the draft campaign, ”the deputy states. TASS.


However, the opinion of the deputy was not shared by all members of the relevant committee. In particular, the opponents of the bill noted that the one-time call would greatly load the reception centers, as well as the means of communication, which are used to deliver conscripts to military units.

“Usually, both bases, railway, air links, reception points, and so on are being prepared for appeals. During the call-up - especially in large municipalities and cities, since all the recruits will be taken to one distribution point - and so there is a large density of people. Therefore, I believe that simultaneously calling half a million people is a too large one-time burden on the budget, as well as on educational institutions, ”said Sergey Zhigarev, a member of the State Duma Committee on Defense.

It is worth recalling that at the moment the call in the armed forces is held twice a year: from April 1 to July 15 and from October 1 to December 31.

Comments

[vitaz]

Member of the State Duma Committee on Defense, United Russia Alexei Zhuravlev proposes to adopt a bill, according to which the call in the Russian army will be held once a year. According to the politician, in this way one can get rid of hazing by dividing the streams of "those who have only called and those who have already served."

It looks like the deputy never served

[AnpeL]

I wanted to say the same ...)

[FACKtoREAL]

Here I am about this fraker of the same opinion!
WHO writes LAWS ?!

[nvv]

Have you conspired? I also!

[ALABAY45]

Previously, it seems that only the LDPR differed in such "innovations" ?! Ah, let's call every three years! So that there is no "bullying" at all, so that with a guarantee, the so-called. "deputy appeal" ...

[abrakadabre]

so that with a guarantee, the so-called. "deputy appeal" ...

And I generally very much support the idea that only those who served can be elected to leadership posts.
Moreover, for those who are already elected, but did not serve, forcibly fill in the gap. And only ordinary. And only outside large settlements.

[BIP PS FSB RF]

Plyusanul, also the first thought came into my head. Moreover, the citizen does not seem to understand that the worst bullying is just in one call, and it is not motivated by anything except arrogance and strength.

[umah]

Similar issues should be decided by the Ministry of Defense, not civilian shtafirki. If this is not wrecking, then it looks like stupid PR!

[Mahmut]

Hazing is a simplified and incorrect understanding of the problem of out-of-joint relationships. Units of one call are distinguished from the usual ones by their total licentiousness and disrespect for senior in rank. And in scuffle is in no way inferior.

[Svetlana]

They have never done everything there, do not and will not do what they offer. This is a different kind of people. They consider themselves residents of Olympus, and we are just masses.

[Siberian]

What about combat readiness, he did not think. If more learned people quit, then in at least six months we simply will not have an army. In any case, urgent.

[starshina78]

It depends on what kind of anniversary celebration (we had not hazing in our navy, but the anniversary celebration). I served for three years. For two years of them he flew like a bee, and for the third year he served, that is: the first year of exchange, and others too, taught for years and years to the mind - to the mind: independent management, right up to disassemble and assemble a diesel engine in complete darkness ! I had to climb under the food, but on business (the first time I got an outfit for an unsewn button). The second year is already smaller, but I still flew. And the third I passed on to the young people what I had learned myself. On the ship we didn’t have that year of birth, from which the young people got into the loop (for example: the little ones (Uzbeks) on the destroyer “Skrytny” broke through the plywood (chest) to the youngsters, and forced them to masturbate, for which the crew was disbanded, the years were jailed, and the star was thrown off the commander, it was in 1976). We had a "healthy" anniversary celebration. Godki taught, albeit sometimes by night trips to eat, but for that we did not get lost in any situation. So, "healthy" Godkovschina (hazing) is useful to some extent!

[Gardamir]

There will be hazing only in the midst of his appeal, which is possibly worse.

[Carlos]

It won’t help. Propaganda needs to work when service in the army was considered honorable, rather than serving as flawed people. At least in our province it was like that. And it takes two years to serve.

[Balamyt]

Oh, crap! It’s like tearing the tonsils through the ass!
And then Mr. Zhuravlev himself served before puzzling the thought with such projects? We must start with the officers ...!

[pv1005]

That is, Mr. Deputy proposes an annual technical four-month reduction of the RF Armed Forces by a third. Grandfathers blamed on a legitimate demobilization and until the young came, while the KMB, the oath, the training unit, the life in the army was frozen, and the enemies in the best democratic traditions would not attack. GOOD FUNNY ON LETTER M.

[g1v2]

It is necessary not to start with officers but with sergeant personnel. The best remedy for hazing is a contract sergeant who lives with the soldiers in the same barracks, even in a separate cockpit. It is necessary to strengthen the sergeant staff in every possible way, to train it. A sergeant conscript is far from always capable of holding a unit in his fist, because he is the same kid as they are and is thinking about dumping him as soon as possible. Here's how to explain the situation to the Amerian soldier, for example, we are standing two privates, and before us the sergeant is wrung out due to flying in, and everything is simple - we are grandfathers, and he has a fined skull. So the first thing you need is a prepared, contract sergeant corps. Here the sergeant will teach the young and the order in the barracks will provide and from the dope will find an occupation. But the officer is far away, and most of what is happening in the units he does not know, well, except for high-profile flights and jambs.

[Ratmir]

Not all grandfathers are animals. ))) And not all hazing is evil.

[Barakuda]

As for me, the deputy is a ram. In which case some recruits will remain in the army? But hazing is the problem of platoon, company and upbringing commanders. And at one time they tried to abuse me, they fought a couple of times, they respected me, then they also became friends.

[Stanislav 1978]

There will be no hazing, there will be fraternity. But what about the transfer of experience from the senior appeal to the younger. For half a year at least in the armed forces conscripts who do not know what to do at all should be in case of anything (figuratively speaking).

[FC SKIF]

And to elect deputies for life, so that if they stumble where, they will accept what a stupid law they wouldn’t have anything for it

[Fedor Bolts]

Hazing will always be. Even among one call there will always be strong and weak. From it, in principle, more benefit, this is the order and identification of real fighters from the nerds underdeveloped. Someone must feed pigs at the farm platoon, and someone must defend their homeland

[Mountain shooter]

Bullying in the army can be avoided just like in any team with young guys. There will always be a struggle for leadership, there will always be pressure on the weak. At least one call in ten years. You need a goal that forces the team to unite, and a commander who does not give time to loitering. And he makes sure that the inevitable forms of collective education do not go "beyond the scope".

[Turkir]

There was such an eccentric, he ate porridge with the soldiers, the soldier naturally, and not from a separate boiler and without waitresses.
They say that not a single battle was lost. And that was, under serfdom.
And if the officer answered his question, "I can't know," then such an unlucky person from the army quickly ... flew out, faster than a bullet.
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Probably, then another army was, not like now.

[Magic archer]

There has always been inequality. There will always be strong and weak. Hazing is in all the armies of the world. I was somehow riding on a train with the current "demobels." for two could not teach? Offended. Children practically. Service did not understand at all, but already demobilization. And what is our service life made a year ?! Idiocy

[rotmistr60]

The deputies would be better off doing business, rather than nonsense. And he is still on the defense committee. The incompetence of our deputies sometimes surprises and afflicts. Everyone wants to leave a mark on history, but the fact that this mark is not important.

[Akvadra]

Why do we feed this kodlu worthless units! They would only be promoted, but in Hawaii to indulge!

Quote: rotmistr60

The deputies would be better off doing business, rather than nonsense. And he is still on the defense committee. The incompetence of our deputies sometimes surprises and afflicts. Everyone wants to leave a mark on history, but the fact that this mark is not important.

[Very old]

In the subject, although it is different

NEMTSOVA wants to bring to court for a dirty statement about Putin
Here is: "... this yo ... ny Putin" - an insult to an official

Note - FIRST due. in our state
The 5th column completely blossomed .-- Many words I want to say to N.- yes Sanya Romanov will cut
However, you know these words even without me

[prishelec]

These bastards have completely lost their fear, I hope they will be judged.

[koksalek]

These Tatupeds must first themselves be forced into the army for 2 years, and their little sons there forcibly. If they slant, then deprive deputies, privileges, make them ordinary citizens, like everyone

[Kahlan amnell]

Doubts gnaw at me that this deputy served in the army and knows the essence of the matter, so to speak, from the inside.

[Dbnfkmtdbx]

And where there is no hazing? only where there are fagots, there is babavshchina, hazing is a school of survival, therefore our soldier alone will survive anywhere and there will be a steeper rambo, and therefore no one will defeat us, but you need to go to the army voluntarily, it’s just some who protect the homeland in the blood and some of them until you kiss they go to serve and turn the first much more than the second

[sever.56]

Well, yes ... At the same time a huge number of untrained people will come to the army. That is the defense will increase. One gets the impression that some deputies, just to crow. And what benefit, or harm from this, they do not think at all!

[MIV999]

Oh my God ... Yes, it seems that we do not need any sanctions, and no spice - if deputies of the DUMA of the Russian Federation themselves (!!!) such a rare nonsense offer !!!
PS. Fathers-commanders, shoot this asshole wrecker ... And then I saw one pussy on 100-ruble notes and was overexcited , and this one knows only by hearsay about the army, but rushes to "optimize and reform"

[Viktor Kudinov]

And how will the experience be passed on, technology ?! Without old people, recruits will not be able to quickly rise to the required requirements - they need a bunch of "experienced - inexperienced". The army is a school, and it is necessary to learn in it not only from commanders, but also from comrades. And the best remedy for bullying is a military tribunal.

[inkass_98]

Quote: Barracuda

In which case some recruits will remain in the army?

I totally agree. The units will be completely exposed at the time of the call change. There will be no trained fighters, only salabons will be. What kind of unit will this be, where no one will know what to do, and the officers will be in the role of permanent educators and teachers?

[Aleks tv]

Quote: inkass_98

The units will be completely exposed at the time of the call change. There will be no trained fighters, only salabons will be.

Yeah, Yuri ...

And where do such deputies come from? Well, just to blather out a che-thread on a fashionable topic, Schaub noticed you ... but he does not care for the service itself ...
1: In the 2 service of the year, military units were bared at 25% once every two years. Those. A quarter of the FANS of the entire Army were not ready to conduct combat operations ABSOLUTELY.
2. When serving 1, the year 50% of the personnel of military units (conscripts) at the time of the draft are puppies who do not know how to approach military equipment. Cool reformed, huh? And all for the sake of the favorable attitude of "society" to the Army ... ugh.
And this comrade suggests that ... The army was not at all ready for some time ???
Delirium, delirium, delirium.
I hope he’s just a moron, and not an intelligence spy.
Continuity in the Army is the cornerstone of both the transfer of military knowledge and the SPIRIT of the Army itself. Nothing else has been invented.
Without the transfer of knowledge between generations, the unit ceases to be as such.
This is a cross on the whole Army.

But hazing ...
Well, who doesn’t have mentoringand a mess, then ... hazing arises there.

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ps DEPUTATA - urgently to the Army for re-education. At least a partisan for a couple of weeks.
It should help a little in cleaning the skull from rubbish and debris.
The deputy all the same ... not solid after all.

[Barakuda]

I remember in the hostel, and there were 450 hungry snouts, we had a "Sunday" every Thursday. The first course leaves at 19-00 to form into the corridor with rags-basins. The floor was flooded from the fireman's gun, and in half an hour everything shines. Whoever did not come out, faded, everyone on the list and the next day or night wake up. And then, who measures the floor with a match, who passes the "hundred-meter distance" according to the stopwatch on the floor, and who gets it on the scoreboard. And all to the accordion.
The authorities approved. Is this a bullying?

[vdtomsk]

The army is cool !!! Who served knows !!!

[Boris55]

With one call there will be no transfer of experience, which undoubtedly leads to a decrease in combat readiness.
The fact that deputies are fools who do not understand what they are doing is hard to believe. So the enemy.

[argon]

First, let them give, well, come up with (for that they and the deputies) the legal concept of hazing. There was also such a concept as opposed to hazing - ustavshchina. The expression "An old warrior is a wise warrior" has not yet been canceled. And any commander from platoon to company commander will rely on experienced fighters and entrust them with more complex tasks. But how and in what form the transfer of experience will proceed and depends on these very commanders. If they have the will and desire, then they will be able to explain to the "grandfather": what is good and what is bad. Only for this one must live by one's own unit. And now: "18 zero-zero sounded, the company commander got on foreign cars and drove off about their business.

[Sergey-72]

When I read the title of the article, the very first question was for me, but did this deputy serve himself? All practically the answers say, I’ll add on my own if the deputies put in the forefront during the discussion of this bill that they will have conscription points overloaded and communication lines are overloaded, then the question creeps in, did anyone serve there at all?
A normal soldier (specialist) at least half a year as a blind kitten learns everything. In general, it is time to introduce a 2-year service system.

[Stinger]

Once and give this deputy these recruits. Let him try to fight. You can get rid of hazing simply. Download combat training so that the soldier wants to get to bed like manna from heaven. In general, a year of service is a complete mess.

[Barakuda]

Zhirik and Zyuganov served, if memory serves in Germany, such a project will not be allowed.

[pahom54]

In the wrong place, the deputy sees the root of evil in the so-called "hazing" ...
First, what kind of hazing can be among soldiers with a service life of 1 year ??? Yes, this "demobilization" just managed to stop, excuse the expression, to shit with homemade pies, and he has to go home already ... All these mischief-making of the current "hazing" come from civil society and low-standard filmmaking that educate young people in a certain frivolous attitude to duty military service, service in the defense of their Fatherland ...
But in essence ... With a strong, normal company commander and foreman, a company of hazing as such simply cannot exist, especially with such a service life ...
I remember my urgent service ... Grandfather could teach everything useful ... Grandfather didn’t go on demobilization until he taught himself a replacement ... That was in 1972-1974 ... And there wasn’t all that muni called hazing in in the sense that they later presented it to society ... Because there were serious officers, foremen and sergeants ...

[Moore]

The deputy, I think, generally has a poor idea of ​​what a non-statutory person is, in which "hazing" is just one of its manifestations.
Let's assume a fantastic option and this nonsense will be accepted. No questions - shaved bald boys of the same draft in a week will be ranked by the size of fists, impudence, nationality. And in exactly the same way (we believe that the commanders there are none) will force the "suckers" and "relaxed" people to wash the floors and wash their socks instead.
The deputy, I think, is not such a uh ... stupid person. If this is not a set-up of the referents, then, most likely, this project carries the same semantic load as the LDProvsky about polygamy and the return of Fort Ross - to remind of its existence by the method of scandal.

[ando_bor]

The deputy in the army obviously did not serve, there is no hazing where order and sodates are busy with serious business,
training and transfer of experience is. Last year, my son resigned from the deadline, invited him to the wedding of his "old" and "young", who taught him and whom he had, there was a good relationship.
Hazing where commanders do not work, the charter and law are replaced with concepts.

[creak]

I support, in addition, unlike present vegetarian times, a lip was used quite actively in my time, and for especially greyhounds and disbats, all this, together with good commanders and foremen, ensured a normal situation in part ...
PS In addition, what is now sometimes called hazing is in some cases simply pure criminality and the reproduction of morals (living by concepts) brought from a citizen ...

[PM9mm]

By this logic, you can simply disband the army and there will be no problems

[pv1005]

Let's go even further and will go to school once every 11 years, otherwise high school students take money from first-graders, beat them and teach them how to smoke in the toilet.

[Barakuda]

Quote: ando_bor

Hazing where commanders do not work, the charter and law are replaced with concepts.

So my dad near Desna, being a young lieutenant, gave his grandfather a scoop on the head (because the grandfather forced the spirits to peel potatoes, and even sent him). Sharply respected, and recruits asked in his company, then to the battalion.

[kill the fascist]

what is it that we will have a shift period when only contract soldiers will be trained in the army? will reduce the manifestation of bullying - engaging in real combat training, reducing the economic responsibility of soldiers, and most importantly - this is the real work of the officer / educator

[Alexander S.]

Only male character will remove hazing. and the MILITARY SERVICE ... and not the economic ... or the barracks ... when there is nothing to do.

[quote]

First, hazing is a consequence. How the commanders will behave in such an atmosphere and develop. Fact! This is where the work should be done !!! And no external laws other than internal laws will change the situation a little. Now the officers will wane, we will withstand, I served in the army.
Secondly, hazing and healthy leadership are not the same thing. But how does the leader want to put himself? As an old-timer (above everyone), bring, give grandfather, two rations of oil for the service life, get a cigarette? This is hazing! Imitation of a zone and a cool goddamn!
Third, I don’t think “to bring” a person to life and be equal with everyone (it is not necessary to beat, it’s even contraindicated, it’s worse). Not a few oddballs get into the army.
And fourth: the coolest army grandfather, this is primarily a freak in civilian life. And the army is an attempt to compensate for its inferiority with the help of supposedly unwritten army laws. In common people it is called Ch.M.O!
And this Ch.M.O is afraid of the PERSONALITY respecting itself!
For future recruits. The Army is not at all terrible! And a very useful "THING"! In addition to girls, the Army also loves strong guys!

[Valery Siberia]

My opinion on my experience of military service (still Soviet, 2 years) regarding hazing is as follows:
Hazing is beneficial primarily to the officers themselves, the foremen! They are the ones who support her! This is the same you need to force the negligent soldier to do the cleaning or some other work, strain ... Yes, you need nafig! The old-timers will do everything! The person on duty on the regiment will sit in his closet, close the doors and give him a beat about what is happening in the unit - the duty would pass faster, better, of course, without an emergency. And when I see on TV another big-headed guy with large shoulder straps, who supposedly painfully ponders what to do with this phenomenon and as a result says that the army is a slice of society, etc., I clearly understand that in front of me is a liar ... I went to an urgent "to go through the school of courage", to test myself, to honestly repay my debt to the Motherland, but it turned out that I did not need a school of courage - I grew up without a father, still, having not received a passport, unloaded the cars at the base, in the technical school, before the army, studied and worked in the second shift at the Saratov GPP-3. In general, I received more disappointment from the army: injustice (Caucasians, for example, went on vacation 2 times, because their parents came with suitcases of treats for the foreman). And I had fights, but not with grandfathers, but with Armenians. I served in Limansky, in the fighter regiment, unit 06855, KODVO.

[Boxwood]

Valery, well, you shouldn’t project your personal experience all over the Army. All the same, the Armed Forces are a part of society and how this society is diverse and multifaceted. For example, I, too, 2 times in 2 years of service went on vacation, but a Slav. True, he served in the PV and we, by definition, did not have national minorities, the only exception - spring 91, drove a batch of Uzbeks who, for six months, completely dissipated into captors, cooks, stokers - in general, none of them stamped the flanks. Yes, I’ll add to myself that I didn’t go on vacation for the second time because the news was so wonderful (although I served my conscience), it was just half a year of rehabilitation after the hospital, they replaced it with 2 days of vacation.

[Valery Siberia]

We didn’t have a "registration" yet, and they didn’t make us bark at the light bulbs, they didn’t beat them with stools, and so on ... The grandfathers were not particularly spiteful. I am not projecting, I know how the other guys have served. There is something to compare with. When young Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov come and they begin to press them - the belt on the eggs, like, the collar is not fastened, and the ensign-sergeant major and grandfathers, and nearby, in the smoking-room, are Arakelyan, Minasyan, Yegizaryan from the same call, already taken in, with a belt really on the balls and the same foremen and grandfathers don't say a word to them, then you look at all this and it does not add respect to the army. How to unload coal - all these characters are urgently sent to the medical unit - they have fungus, bandage, slippers, and the young and the sergeant who served a year or more for coal went. And the officers see it all.

[Andriuha077]

Quote: Valery Siberia

And the officers see it all.

Such an officer in the cold on 15 days - and the problem is forever solved.

[Andriuha077]

Zhuravlev crowed himself a check for lustration.
And the reason for the clowning is drunkenness in the workplace.
Deputies once again refused to part with the sale of alcohol in the walls of the Duma.
lenta.ru/articles/2014/09/15/alcohol/
mir24.tv/news/politics/11246898
Meanwhile, according to the Labor Code, a direct and unambiguous punishment is imposed here.
It's time to thin out the audience in this house.
Output.
Down with the party list election. Down with alcohol and other drug addicts from the Duma.

The Labor Code of the Russian Federation gives the employer the right to dismiss employee for appearing at work while intoxicated. Subparagraph "b" of clause 6 h. 1 Art. 81 of the Labor Code of the Russian Federation classifies the appearance at work in a state of alcoholic, narcotic or other toxic intoxication as single rude violation by the employee of labor duties; when committing this disciplinary offense, the employer has the right to apply this type of disciplinary sanction, such as Dismissal. Moreover, he is obliged to follow the procedure for bringing the employee to disciplinary liability.

The people dismiss this composition of the Duma. Alcoholics on the way out. In full force.

[Solaris]

without "old-timers" it will be difficult to educate young people.
once a year call? and while they "uncover" and "bloat" - time, nerves, while this stage passes, the army is more vulnerable (I think so). It is necessary to fight not with bullying, but with cruelty, and this is the work of psychologists.
I stomped for an urgent time, it was all, I rose to the rank of sergeant, grammar and all that ... In short, I know the problem from the inside.

[Boxwood]

The State Dura, as always in its repertoire, is toiling (read PR) with the country's most "pressing problems". It is clear that the people who offered THIS did not serve themselves, which was already noted above, but apparently they simply do not turn on their heads ... It does not take a lot of intelligence to understand the need for gradual rotation of the composition, the obligatory continuity when changing calls ... after all, mentoring, even though it is not a popular word now.

[vitalm]

In one appeal, the fighters still find a weaker one and quietly hammer it, this has already passed. It all depends on the platoon commander and sergeants, and there must be demand from them.

[Boxwood]

Quote: Barracuda

Zhirik and Zyuganov served, if memory serves in Germany, such a project will not be allowed.

Zyuganov - yes, it seems that he is an urgent service in the Western Military District. And Zhirik I would not refer to the servants, this: 1970 - 1972 he served at the call Political Administration Officer The Transcaucasian Military District does not count ...

[Azovian]

For Zhirik, no need. KGB officer.

[creak]

Quote: Azovets

For Zhirik, no need. KGB officer.

BUXUS is right, Zhirik served in the special propaganda department of the Political Administration of the Transcaucasian HE as a Turkish language specialist - he graduated from the Moscow State University with a degree in Turkish and literature. He was drafted into the army for two years and never served in the KGB ...

[Standard Oil]

Hazing from idleness, the soldier must be busy all the time, and there will be no time for hazing. The army is not a place that should cause horror among conscripts, and they go there not for humiliation and not to be a pear.

[Evgeniy667b]

Well, what else would deputies not strain their heads in inventiveness? Especially when there is no concept in essence of the topic. Indeed, if at 1 year of service, but once a call, then it turns out once the army turns off altogether and it painfully reboots from scratch. Madhouse !!! Then the service life should be returned to two years. And then some, only on the last day of service, vaguely realize where they were, not to mention combat training.

[Azovian]

the author is an unwise person who has never served in the Army. All the troubles are from officers who scored in the service, thinking only of asterisks and salaries.

[Valery Siberia]

We had a large garrison, two regiments - fighters and scouts, guard companies for them, and so on. So in the neighboring regiment, Azerbaijanis from the airfield service company raped a Russian guy, these soldiers in a self-propelled gun beat up the ensign, Kostya Dutchenko from my squad, a real "grandfather" (from Tiraspol) in front of all the soldiers stuffed the face of Warrant Officer Katka, our foreman. And - nothing, silence! It is not profitable for commanders to wash dirty linen in public - indicators will decrease, they will not give a star. Here's what I liked about the army, it was, of course, shooting, combat alarms, exercises, marches, trips as part of the PSS (search and rescue service - pull out downed pilots), duty as a chipboard (duty officer at the unit's parking lot) and of course, the planes themselves. And the pilots. By the way, they are usually very simple guys, without a crown on their head.

[Fedor Andreevich]

Well isn't it ?! Did this "jacket" serve in the army?