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Nobel Prize winner Nobel Prize winner: Mikhail Gorbachev named the United States and Obama the main global fever

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An unexpected statement was made today by the first and last president of the USSR Mikhail Gorbachev in an interview "Russian news service". Gorbachev, commenting on the speech of US President Obama from the UN rostrum about Ebola as the main threat on the planet, said that the main fever on Earth was the United States of America itself.

Nobel Prize winner Nobel Prize winner: Mikhail Gorbachev named the United States and Obama the main global fever


Mikhail Gorbachev:
We have one major fever - America and its claims for leadership.


At the same time, Gorbachev, reflecting on the "diplomacy" of the United States, added:
This is not even a political dialogue, but scolding. Hurt, provoke, and most importantly, to not have fought feuds in Europe. Because they (the United States) have a monopoly claim. Ukraine and other things are all occasions.


Gorbachev noted that the Russian authorities are now taking the only correct position and should understand that the main thing is not to lose common sense.

We are a strong nation, we have something to rely on, and we have something to say.

marks the last head of the Soviet Union.

At the same time, Mikhail Gorbachev said that signs of the resumption of the Cold War appear in the world, but the Cold War itself has not yet begun.

This is perhaps the first speech by Mikhail Gorbachev, in which he speaks with such frank criticism of the American authorities and the support of the Russian authorities. Surprisingly, Obama’s latest statements and US actions have even driven Gorbachev out of themselves. Considering that in the West many people still listen to him, this is a really alarming bell for the current American president. And this seems to be the first time in the world storieswhen one Nobel Peace Prize laureate "lowers another plinth" below another laureate ...
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  1. MIV999
    MIV999 26 September 2014 20: 31
    +94
    I understand that according to the State Department and the EU, the Russians are completely insolent:
    we are trying to spit in the face - and we immediately climb to climb angry laughing
    1. Zhekson
      Zhekson 26 September 2014 20: 54
      +99
      Gorbi that has already moved away from anesthesia?
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 26 September 2014 21: 01
        +192
        Quote: Zhekson
        Gorbi that has already moved away from anesthesia?


        Probably to prepare for the earth .. Sins forgives before meeting with the Almighty ...
        1. ZVEROBOY
          ZVEROBOY 26 September 2014 21: 57
          +25
          Quote: Ascetic
          Quote: Zhekson
          Gorbi that has already moved away from anesthesia?


          Probably to prepare for the earth .. Sins forgives before meeting with the Almighty ...


          But will the earth accept him?
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 26 September 2014 22: 12
            +65
            Earth will accept. How to accept TAM, that’s the question ...
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 26 September 2014 23: 10
              +24
              the devil will be taken to the frying pan - later he "received his sight"
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 27 September 2014 11: 59
                +20
                Quote: Talgat
                the devils will take the pan ...

                They will not accept! They are afraid that he will destroy hell with them! wassat
                1. nvv
                  nvv 27 September 2014 12: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  Quote: Talgat
                  the devils will take the pan ...

                  They will not accept! They are afraid that he will destroy hell with them! wassat

                  But what if at the request of the workers?
                2. cap54
                  cap54 29 September 2014 20: 00
                  0
                  he will destroy hell!
                  He will become in hell - the main thing is to start and kill - the devils in this case themselves will run away from hell !!!
            2. ZVEROBOY
              ZVEROBOY 27 September 2014 01: 31
              +11
              Quote: sabakina
              Earth will accept. How to accept TAM, that’s the question ...

              THERE will not accept it either !!!

              Bulgakov described everything! Will hang out BETWEEN !!!
          2. wulf66
            wulf66 27 September 2014 03: 44
            +11
            No, no guys! Long years and good health! He must live to see the trial. It’s too late to make sins. time does not spin back ...
          3. kiparis
            kiparis 27 September 2014 06: 44
            +2
            The earth will accept. "To the earth, everything is one to it, appatites and dung." Vysotsky V.S.
          4. Pushkin74
            Pushkin74 27 September 2014 09: 51
            +5
            Him for this ............................. not to pray !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
          5. sgazeev
            sgazeev 27 September 2014 14: 11
            +6
            Quote: ZVEROBOY
            Quote: Ascetic
            Quote: Zhekson
            Gorbi that has already moved away from anesthesia?


            Probably to prepare for the earth .. Sins forgives before meeting with the Almighty ...


            But will the earth accept him?

            There is a congress of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. In the most important place
            Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev sits. He sits and thinks, and at this time from
            the hall a man waving his fist. And Gorbachev answered him.
            twirls a finger at the temple (they say, that's all!) The guards saw this, and one
            another says:
            - Go figure it out, otherwise the man himself Mikhail Sergeyevich fist
            waving.
            The guard approaches the man and says:
            - Who are you waving your fist at?
            - Yes, I don’t wave, I show him - take power into your own hands, and he will tell me
            answers - not enough mind! laughing
          6. almost demobil
            almost demobil 28 September 2014 14: 06
            +1
            Quote: ZVEROBOY
            Probably to prepare for the earth .. Sins forgives before meeting with the Almighty ...

            But will the earth accept him?

            Earth will accept, that's just the question, WHOSE?
        2. ziqzaq
          ziqzaq 26 September 2014 21: 58
          +24
          Quote: Ascetic
          Probably to prepare for the earth .. Sins forgives before meeting with the Almighty ...

          Rather, PR, Judas ..... Tenacious goats .. on ....
          1. Black
            Black 26 September 2014 23: 28
            +12
            Quote: ziqzaq
            More likely PR, Judas .....


            Come on.
            Why should he promote? All that he could create, he has already created ... if this, of course, can be called creation.
            The time has come ... I felt, but she understands it means that she did it .... Papa-mom, how will they accept it ???
            Get ready, Misha, hear enough !!!!!
            1. ZVEROBOY
              ZVEROBOY 27 September 2014 02: 27
              +31
              More Gorbachev. I hate only Yeltsin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              1. Evgeniy.
                Evgeniy. 27 September 2014 09: 15
                -12
                and Lenin, a pioneer
                1. Lavrenty Pavlovich Spinoza
                  Lavrenty Pavlovich Spinoza 29 September 2014 13: 34
                  +3
                  Do not touch Ulnov, he is ours, - a revolutionary (our name is legion) ...
                  We are a strong nation, we have something to rely on, and we have something to say.
                2. VOLCHOXURAL
                  VOLCHOXURAL 29 September 2014 16: 04
                  +2
                  Quote: Evgenij.
                  and Lenin, a pioneer

                  History would have been taught! hi
                  And in general, Lenin bequeathed a truth that some people don’t remember about the campaign. wink - study and study !!!
                  If Lenin was a traitor, he would never have bequeathed it !!!
              2. Semen Semenych
                Semen Semenych 27 September 2014 11: 13
                +10
                I agree. Although both are standing each other. But Yeltsin should not erect monuments, but drive an aspen stake!
              3. sgazeev
                sgazeev 27 September 2014 14: 14
                +3
                Quote: ZVEROBOY
                More Gorbachev. I hate only Yeltsin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                OK, !!!!!!!!! good
          2. Manul
            Manul 27 September 2014 01: 03
            +7
            Quote: ziqzaq
            A tenacious goat ... on ....

            In the light of modern political trends, I would like for him (or even EBN) to live for 50 years at least, so that anger does not calm down and the memory is so strong that neither children nor grandchildren not forgotten.
          3. Lopatov
            Lopatov 27 September 2014 08: 17
            +3
            He is nobody in the post-Soviet space, and there is no way to call him. Even "examples of Europeanness" - the Balts do not like him.
            However, in the countries of old Europe he is credible. Especially in Germany. So this is his opinion must be disseminated in every way. At least a bunch of wool ...
        3. studentmati
          studentmati 26 September 2014 22: 00
          +11
          Quote: Ascetic
          Sins begs before meeting with the Almighty ...


          Very similar to that ... Prayers will not be corrected.
        4. Konstantinpm
          Konstantinpm 26 September 2014 23: 37
          +3
          Exactly.
          He wanted to die in his native land ...
          1. sgazeev
            sgazeev 27 September 2014 14: 23
            +1
            Quote: KonstantinPM
            Exactly.
            He wanted to die in his native land ...

            Consensus!!!
        5. Manul
          Manul 27 September 2014 01: 00
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          Probably to prepare for the earth .. Sins forgives before meeting with the Almighty ...

          She’s probably afraid for her future grave .. Which can be spat on, thrown up with bricks, or simply torn off the face of the earth. And the contents are lowered into the sewers.
          1. smart Fox
            smart Fox 27 September 2014 09: 57
            +5
            Nonsense - don’t write at all, you’ll really go to war with the graves. This sick old man was given to you. Let him say, he said a lot of things at the time. What do his words solve now? Nothing.
            Don't turn VO into a "censor"!
          2. sgazeev
            sgazeev 27 September 2014 14: 26
            +1
            Quote: Manul
            Quote: Ascetic
            Probably to prepare for the earth .. Sins forgives before meeting with the Almighty ...

            She’s probably afraid for her future grave .. Which can be spat on, thrown up with bricks, or simply torn off the face of the earth. And the contents are lowered into the sewers.

            She wants to lie with Raisa the modist, said Masha-Bond. laughing
        6. 23 region
          23 region 27 September 2014 01: 00
          +10
          Quote: Ascetic
          Quote: Zhekson
          Gorbi that has already moved away from anesthesia?


          Probably to prepare for the earth .. Sins forgives before meeting with the Almighty ...

          Where are you, with the pork snout in the Kalash line. Burn you in Hell Judah.
          1. Vitaly72
            Vitaly72 27 September 2014 02: 33
            0
            I thought that helped Judah hang himself?
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        8. Starik72
          Starik72 27 September 2014 02: 06
          +2
          Oh, how I agree with you Ascetic. And that this old senile has not seen this before, it only reached, as they say: like a giraffe on the seventh day and then late.
        9. demo
          demo 27 September 2014 07: 47
          +3
          You can repent.
          God is merciful. He will forgive.
          But people will not forgive.
        10. Migari
          Migari 27 September 2014 15: 40
          +7
          I don’t know how the Almighty, but in his native land he is frostbitten Judas, and nothing can be done about it. A meeting in Reykjavik with US President Ronald Reagan. A reference point began for the surrender of positions in foreign policy and the decline in the authority of the USSR throughout the world.
        11. Tailot
          Tailot 27 September 2014 15: 50
          0
          Yes, it’s unlikely to be killed, it’s too late to drink and repent!
        12. Codename49
          Codename49 27 September 2014 17: 43
          0
          suck him in hell !!!
        13. 4952915
          4952915 28 September 2014 07: 43
          0
          Absolutely! Well, his kingdom is underground ....
        14. antipendos
          antipendos 28 September 2014 09: 33
          0
          yes yes I also thought so right away when I read the headline
        15. Alekseir162
          Alekseir162 28 September 2014 11: 47
          0
          Sins begs before meeting with the Almighty ...

          Well, once it was necessary to start. Better late than never, although he messed up so much that one interview, perhaps, will not be enough.
        16. APASUS
          APASUS 28 September 2014 15: 12
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          Quote: Zhekson
          Gorbi that has already moved away from anesthesia?


          Probably to prepare for the earth .. Sins forgives before meeting with the Almighty ...

          He probably wants to be buried in Russia, so he earns himself forgiveness for the last time ..........
        17. yan
          yan 29 September 2014 07: 55
          0
          Weather vane
      2. Juborg
        Juborg 26 September 2014 21: 10
        +50
        Probably the American medal began to reap for him, and the loot probably (Nobel!) Ended, and the kids and grandchildren are demanding not Russian wooden rubles (falling daily in price!), But American or European rubles, and probably with at least 5 zeros. And I think you should not seek conscience from a person who destroyed what was built and conquered by our grandfathers and great-grandfathers. Even American political scientists admitted that the spotted, deliberately ruined the USSR and plunged entire nations into chaos. A monument to him should be an aspen stake, while still alive.
        1. slthew
          slthew 26 September 2014 21: 46
          -94
          He wanted the best. You did not live in the USSR and do not know how we lived poorly. Yes, and total control, everything that you have now, for example, an abundance of beautiful and fashionable clothes, an abundance of delicious food, an abundance of electronics, so this was not the case in the USSR. He decided to rebuild the system of the USSR, and change everything, but he was naive and naturally intervened by the CIA, plus local corruption, and the country went the wrong way. He himself said that my most important mistake - that he left, as I recall, he said for reasons of conscience - he says that the main mistake was this, it was necessary to go to the end, but he was indecisive.
          1. assembly
            assembly 26 September 2014 22: 00
            +52
            minus you from me ... they wrote such nonsense. they lived normally in the USSR, who wanted to, and went to the sea every year, and the car could be bought, and the studio worked ... I lived in the USSR, and I remember only the good ... but this ghoul ruined everything
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 27 September 2014 07: 40
              -3
              Quote: sborka
              you could buy a car

              By the way, here is a good comparison of living standards in the USSR and the Russian Federation. By Soviet standards, the owner of the car is certainly a successful and wealthy person. Well, compare the number of cars in the USSR and the Russian Federation. This gives a clear answer to the question: when did people richer live in the USSR or now.
              He lived in the USSR for 8 years, so I know firsthand.
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 27 September 2014 08: 07
                +1
                Quote: Bayonet
                He lived in the USSR for 8 years, so I know firsthand.

                I wrote 38, but in comment 8 it’s not clear. 38 38 38
              2. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 27 September 2014 08: 35
                +7
                Quote: Bayonet
                By Soviet standards, the owner of the car is certainly a successful and wealthy person. Well, compare the number of cars in the USSR and the Russian Federation. This gives a clear answer to the question: when did people richer live in the USSR or now.

                Reread the speech of the great strategist at the rally and isolate the main thing: "A car is not a luxury, but a means of transportation."
                You would better compare the number of homeless people in your 38 years living in the USSR and now in ErEfii.
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 28 September 2014 08: 09
                  -6
                  Quote: 11111mail.ru
                  You would better compare the number of homeless people in your 38 years living in the USSR and now in ErEfii.

                  Homeless, this is a way of life, a state of mind. Previously, all asocial elements were simply evicted from cities, so they were not visible. I am not interested in homeless people, they just are not interesting to me.
              3. andrew42
                andrew42 27 September 2014 15: 04
                +8
                I do not agree with you. What does the car have to do with it? It's just that a lot of assets that were previously available to an ordinary citizen flowed into the aforementioned "cars", namely: free education, medicine, social security, pension guarantees, the ability to use natural and water bodies without distinction in the size of the wallet, security in labor relations, real, no the fictitious right to rest, the country's high protection from external threats (not counting the introduction of rats like Gorbachev, of course), and much more. Spilled over - this is not quite true. Only 1/20 of it has flowed over. The rest of the citizen of the country went to who knows where. More precisely, it is known, but it is not customary to talk about it.
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 29 September 2014 07: 33
                  -2
                  Quote: andrew42
                  It's just that a lot of assets that were previously available to an ordinary citizen flowed into the aforementioned "cars", namely: free education, medicine, social security, pension guarantees,

                  I don’t understand - what assets “flowed” into cars and how? Are you saying that people were given money that was intended for social programs and they bought cars? To put it mildly, it looks ridiculous!
              4. 4952915
                4952915 28 September 2014 07: 48
                -2
                And what about the number of iPhones per capita do not compare? Or quality food? The only factor torn out is only demagogy, the most primitive.
              5. Makosha
                Makosha 28 September 2014 20: 43
                +1
                Quote: Bayonet
                By Soviet standards, the owner of the car is certainly a successful and wealthy person. Well, compare the number of cars in the USSR and the Russian Federation.

                Father in the USSR changed the car three times. Each time he stood in line for a purchase, then he, then mom. I took the Cossacks - it’s more convenient for fishing, so every time I had to pay extra.
                I’ve been working in Russia since 2000, and I have already passed my rights, but I can’t buy a car.
                But all cars in the USSR were manufactured at their own factories, and now they sell only imported ones. Bought for oil and gas dollars. Soon AvtoVAZ will fall apart, with a new "import" director. In the summer there were reductions again.
                That’s what you need to look at, and not how much import has become in Russia.
                China generally does not purchase imports, except for copying for its production. And what, do they live poorly?
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 29 September 2014 07: 40
                  -1
                  Quote: Makosha
                  but you can’t buy a car.

                  Buying a car is not a problem, and any - it all depends on the desire and wallet. You can and Porsche in the cabin, you can used Lada for a penny in the car market. So you are cunning!
                  1. Makosha
                    Makosha 29 September 2014 13: 09
                    0
                    Quote: Bayonet
                    Buying a car is not a problem, and any - it all depends on the desire and wallet.

                    This and it - "from the wallet."
                    In the USSR, I could afford such joy, with a salary of 320 rubles or more, for 16 months, without denying anything to myself. And here - only on credit, with an overpayment. Which one? Think for yourself:
                    - salary 65 thousand,
                    - rent for housing - 17 thousand (Gorbachev's legacy is the homelessness of Russians from the Union republics),
                    - the road to work - 3,5 thousand,
                    - house security in the village (bought, it is necessary to register somewhere) - 3,5,
                    - Internet telephones - 3,5,
                    - rags, shoes, food - from 15 thousand,
                    - assistance to parents (80 years old), mother - a disabled person of group I.
                    And what will remain? There is no time for a Porsche from the salon. And second-hand Lada - you will invest more in repairs.

                    So do not, I do not dissemble.
                    1. Bayonet
                      Bayonet 30 September 2014 02: 58
                      0
                      Quote: Makosha
                      - house security in the village (bought, it is necessary to register somewhere) - 3,5,

                      A strange combination - there is enough for a house with security in the village, but no for an expensive car, and the salary is 65th !. Get out of habit ...
                    2. Bayonet
                      Bayonet 30 September 2014 03: 18
                      0
                      Quote: Makosha
                      In the USSR, I could afford such joy, with a salary of 320 rubles or more, for 16 months, without denying anything to myself.

                      Completely lie madam! Tell these tales to those who did not live then !!! After the army in 1973, I received 70 rubles, my father - an aircraft technician –180. Where was it paid then "from 320"?
              6. ksan
                ksan 28 September 2014 23: 08
                0
                He lived in the USSR for 8 years, so I know firsthand.
                Yes, 8 years is the age of course for understanding what is happening in the country.
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 29 September 2014 07: 43
                  0
                  Quote: ksan
                  Yes, 8 years is the age of course for understanding what is happening in the country.

                  We had to read carefully - 38 dear, 38!
            2. smart Fox
              smart Fox 27 September 2014 10: 02
              -6
              No, in recent years, the USSR lived abnormally, and cars were bought according to lists and furniture. There were even lines for bread. My mother says that there was an eternal problem with beautiful clothes for my sister, with normal shoes. Do you know what efforts it was worth making beautiful glasses in a normal frame? So do not talk about normal life. These are eternal humiliating queues for everything! Maybe I remember about another USSR?
              1. andrew42
                andrew42 27 September 2014 15: 07
                +6
                I was 16 years old in 1988. I remember everything perfectly. Approximately 1988 was the watershed after which "perestroika" qualitatively began to develop into preparations for the collapse of the state. Moreover, the collapse was initiated from above. From the height of the past years, this is seen more than clearly.
              2. 4952915
                4952915 28 September 2014 07: 50
                0
                The lines (except for the artificially created Gorbachev ones) were for one reason - everything was very cheap.
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 28 September 2014 08: 14
                  -1
                  Quote: 4952915
                  The lines (except for the artificially created Gorbachev ones) were for one reason - everything was very cheap.

                  It’s hard to come up with big bullshit!
                2. Andrey der Graf
                  Andrey der Graf 28 September 2014 18: 03
                  0
                  Klitschko are you?
                  Like the higher the dollar, the more rubles we have?
              3. Chupacabra
                Chupacabra 28 September 2014 16: 18
                0
                yes there was all this, but somewhere after 1980, the Olympics severely crippled the country's economy. Although just before the Olympics, "Rifle" jeans and "Marlboro" cigarettes appeared in stores :)
              4. gray
                gray 28 September 2014 16: 47
                0
                That is why they hate Gorbachov, namely during the break-up years of the USSR.
              5. Makosha
                Makosha 28 September 2014 20: 57
                0
                Quote: Sly Fox
                These eternal humiliating lines for everything! Maybe I'm talking about another USSR

                Do you remember the USSR after the Brezhnev’s, 90’s: Chernenko, always sickly, Andropov, who wasn’t allowed to turn around, was killed, and then a labeled reformer.
                This USSR is already falling apart. Of course, another.
                Quote: Sly Fox
                My mother says that there was an eternal problem with beautiful clothes for my sister,

                You must be able to sew and knit.
                My mother never had these "problems", even at the beginning of her career, when my father and I received a little more. And all the heads turned 180. And the granddaughter in the kindergarten had 23 summer dresses, and everything was self-knitted and self-stitched. You cannot find such an exclusive in fashion stores.
                No, well, think about it: the government exchanges raw materials (non-renewable!) For clothes and grub! But is it necessary? And what should future generations leave?
              6. ksan
                ksan 28 September 2014 23: 24
                0
                No, in recent years, the USSR lived abnormally, and cars were bought according to lists and furniture. There were even lines for bread. My mother says that there was an eternal problem with beautiful clothes for my sister, with normal shoes.
                Yes, in the USSR there were problems with consumer goods. But what is the destruction of the country is such a method of solving economic problems? From 86 to 88, I served in the SA in then-socialist Hungary and there were no problems with clothes, tape recorders and sausage. It was possible to solve this problem in the USSR as well, but not destroy the country and plunge the entire post-Soviet space into civil wars and more great poverty.
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          2. sergeybulkin
            sergeybulkin 26 September 2014 22: 15
            -30
            You did not live in the USSR and do not know how we lived poorly. Yes, and total control, all that you have now, for example, an abundance of beautiful and fashionable clothes, an abundance of delicious food, an abundance of electronics, so this was not the case in the USSR

            This is true! In the USSR there was almost nothing, not even sex.
            I lived in the USSR for quite some time, I remember how I lived there, I know how many others lived. If, as they say here, go to the sea and buy a Cossack (this is a bucket of bolts) the top dreams of a Soviet worker, then yes this can be called happiness. I would tell you how they lived in the USSR, but not that topic.
            But there is nothing to justify Gorbachev, since he got such a post, do it as you should! But he mumbled, pushed slogans, talked with the states, and with others, the wrong methods, and this is not the result ... Although Gorbachev’s fault is in the collapse of the USSR (I mean the economic collapse), he’s not alone worked, he was actively helped.
            1. assam4
              assam4 26 September 2014 22: 57
              +43
              There was no sex, but the birth rate was not like now.
              1. sergeybulkin
                sergeybulkin 26 September 2014 23: 01
                -42
                fertility is of course a very important indicator of a high standard of living fool
                1. Manul
                  Manul 27 September 2014 01: 26
                  +31
                  Quote: sergeybulkin
                  fertility is of course a very important indicator of a high standard of living

                  Apparently, for a high standard of living, we always lack a good demographic crisis. Your idea of ​​happiness is the presence of chewing gum, stupid movie, foolish television, sexual dissolving (and everything else), drinking and anesthesia of people ... Is that right? You (moles mishandled) do not even have enough imagination for nicknames. Your pupkins, but sergeibubkins. Sgin is unclean.
                  1. ZVEROBOY
                    ZVEROBOY 27 September 2014 01: 40
                    +13
                    Quote: Manul
                    Quote: sergeybulkin
                    fertility is of course a very important indicator of a high standard of living

                    Apparently, for a high standard of living, we always lack a good demographic crisis. Your idea of ​​happiness is the presence of chewing gum, stupid movie, foolish television, sexual dissolving (and everything else), drinking and anesthesia of people ... Is that right? You (moles mishandled) do not even have enough imagination for nicknames. Your pupkins, but sergeibubkins. Sgin is unclean.


                    If I could I could could put 1000000 pluses!
                    And so only RESPT CT! drinks
                2. smart Fox
                  smart Fox 27 September 2014 10: 05
                  -1
                  Yeah, the highest birth rate in Nigeria, the most prosperous country in the world!
                3. assembly
                  assembly 27 September 2014 15: 31
                  +6
                  Yes, this is an indicator. then they were not afraid of having three children, and note that no maternal capital was raised exclusively for their earnings, and they received apartments for free, though it was necessary to work, work well ... because drunks and drones didn’t shine even then. ..
                4. andrew42
                  andrew42 27 September 2014 15: 31
                  +1
                  Yes, this is a MAJOR INDICATOR. The remaining indicators are a constant object of statistical speculation. Very correctly, the emoticon twists your finger at the temple. When the battery sits down, you have to start with the rifle.
              2. Manul
                Manul 27 September 2014 01: 20
                +6
                Quote: assam4
                There was no sex, but the birth rate was not like now.

                good A worthy answer to spiteful critics!
                1. ZVEROBOY
                  ZVEROBOY 27 September 2014 01: 26
                  +15
                  Quote: Manul
                  Quote: assam4
                  There was no sex, but the birth rate was not like now.

                  good A worthy answer to spiteful critics!

                  If someone is trying to denigrate my homeland of the USSR, you know people are primitively narrow-minded!

                  And of course you plus
            2. Tanechka-clever
              Tanechka-clever 26 September 2014 23: 41
              +26
              Quote: sergeybulkin
              In the USSR there was almost nothing, not even sex.

              But now in abundance - wherever you look, and in Europe, sex begins to be taught from the elementary grades.
              Animals are not taught in schools, but children are
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 27 September 2014 02: 56
                +11
                Quote: Tanya-umunechka
                in Europe, sex is taught from elementary grades.


                If it’s sex, it’s not so bad .. In Europe, since childhood, they have been taught sexual perversions, more precisely, that this is normally same-sex love and other ...
              2. Manul
                Manul 27 September 2014 06: 24
                +1
                Quote: Tanya-umunechka
                But now in abundance - wherever you look, and in Europe, sex begins to be taught from the elementary grades.
                Animals are not taught in schools, but children are

                Not only that, they are trying to legalize incest already. Soon, life in Europe will begin .. Complete clouding of the brain, and the triumph of sex drives for the sake of refusing any development. Where the youth of the nation cannot be poisoned by Nazi ideas, they are so crippled by those that it is very difficult for uneducated youth to refuse - debauchery.
                1. Pushkin74
                  Pushkin74 27 September 2014 10: 04
                  +1
                  FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! incest (((((((((((((((((((((((
                2. Makosha
                  Makosha 28 September 2014 21: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: Manul
                  the triumph of sex drives for the sake of rejection of any development.

                  Sodom and Gomorrah. And their own fate.
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            4. 23 region
              23 region 27 September 2014 01: 10
              +5
              Quote: sergeybulkin
              But he mumbled, pushed slogans, talked with the states, and with others, the wrong methods, and this is not the result ... Although Gorbachev’s fault is in the collapse of the USSR (I mean the economic collapse), he’s not alone worked, he was actively helped.
            5. Ascetic
              Ascetic 27 September 2014 02: 54
              +5
              Quote: sergeybulkin
              This is true! In the USSR there was almost nothing, not even sex.


              My dear. You probably lived on another planet ... What do you know? If not, then yes, there was no sex for you in the USSR laughing
              1. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 27 September 2014 05: 00
                +4
                Quote: Ascetic
                Quote: sergeybulkin
                This is true! In the USSR there was almost nothing, not even sex.


                My dear. You probably lived on another planet ... What do you know? If not, then yes, there was no sex for you in the USSR laughing

                about CPH smiled! memories surfaced stas repeat hi
              2. Pushkin74
                Pushkin74 27 September 2014 10: 06
                +1
                Oh well them. If we didn’t have sex, then when there are a lot of CER (skin and venereological dispasser) from here ??????????????????
            6. Vitaly72
              Vitaly72 27 September 2014 02: 56
              +3
              may I ask what is the limit of happiness now? to go to Turkey or Egypt and take a stinky lanus on credit?
            7. Pit Bull59
              Pit Bull59 27 September 2014 06: 50
              +4
              If there was no sex ... How are you born? From the holy spirit?
            8. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 27 September 2014 08: 41
              +4
              Quote: sergeybulkin
              In the USSR there was almost nothing, not even sex

              Quote: sergeybulkin
              I lived in the USSR for quite some time

              Excuse me, there was no in vitro fertilization in the USSR, there was no indulgence of the holy spirit on your mother. Where did you come from? I still suspect that from the same place, from where everything ... The motherland needs heroes, and .... gives birth ....
            9. Pushkin74
              Pushkin74 27 September 2014 10: 02
              +1
              I liked the USSR. Because I was small (9 years old) But all the same, RUSSIA is better !!!! You look at this west and wonder "why" it is so STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            10. assembly
              assembly 27 September 2014 15: 26
              0
              Quote: sergeybulkin
              I would tell you how they lived in the USSR

              but we don’t need to tell us, we ourselves remember how it was there, all the more so now there is something to compare with ... and it’s not a "bucket of bolts" (I still don’t consider it happy), you didn’t read the comment carefully and my answer ...
            11. gray
              gray 28 September 2014 17: 11
              +1
              For that now the worker lives well. There is no need to compare (in wealth) those times and what is now. Then Europe was shaking and there was not much that is now. My personal opinion and I do not impose it on anyone that it was better under the USSR. shortcomings in management and planning, but now not? Then the country was huge and the bureaucratic apparatus by modern standards for the management of such a huge country is not like the modern bloated "neighborhood" where no one is responsible for anything, and money is rowing and not There are a lot of bosses per worker and the salary is therefore not big. In our time, manual (hard) work is not appreciated, but Jesus Christ was a carpenter.
            12. Makosha
              Makosha 28 September 2014 21: 06
              0
              Quote: sergeybulkin
              to buy a Cossack (this is a bucket of bolts) is the top of the dreams of a Soviet worker,

              This, as you call "buckets of bolts", had an incredible cross-country ability: it drove along sand dunes. bully Not every imported jeep can handle this. wassat
              My father had the opportunity to take a Lada, but he believed that for trips to nature and fishing is better than the Cossack, no.
              Here, and his ruin eliminated.
          3. sabakina
            sabakina 26 September 2014 22: 26
            +52
            slthew
            He wanted the best. You did not live in the USSR and do not know how we lived poorly.


            I, Vyacheslav Anatolyevich Agarkov, was born in 1967, went to kindergarten (inexpensively), walked for a year (did not die), went to school (I hung up in the pioneer camp for all three shifts and do not regret it, 12 rubles cost a shift), went to a photo club, I still don’t regret it, I graduated from the 8th grade, (I started smoking, though now I regret it. but ...), went to vocational school, unlearned, acquired several specialties, (mind you, everything is free, well, they collected at school for new textbooks, but this were a penny).
            Tell me, did I live badly ???
            1. Pushkin74
              Pushkin74 27 September 2014 10: 09
              +4
              Normally !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of these people and build my homeland !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on telly of money, give 3 lard ((((((((((((((buzzing (((((((((((
          4. predator.3
            predator.3 26 September 2014 22: 32
            +13
            . He decided to rebuild the USSR system, and change everything, but he was naive and naturally intervened by the CIA, plus local corruption, and the country went the wrong way.


            Oh, how well I remember this "perestroika", and the collapse of a great power, maybe not such a naive tagged one, or maybe he was recruited by this very CIA, and his closest associates such as Shevardnadze, and we did not know such words about corruption!
            1. 23 region
              23 region 27 September 2014 01: 11
              +6
              Quote: predator.3
              . He decided to rebuild the USSR system, and change everything, but he was naive and naturally intervened by the CIA, plus local corruption, and the country went the wrong way.


              Oh, how well I remember this "perestroika", and the collapse of a great power, maybe not such a naive tagged one, or maybe he was recruited by this very CIA, and his closest associates such as Shevardnadze, and we did not know such words about corruption!
              1. Pushkin74
                Pushkin74 27 September 2014 10: 14
                +1
                EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            2. andrew42
              andrew42 27 September 2014 15: 45
              +3
              My grandfather in 1988 just told me "Gorbachev is an agent of influence. Yakovlev is a pure agent. Shevardnadze is a nationalist." And we laughed and smoked with our fingers at our temples. They laughed. In 1992, they saw the light, but it was too late to drink Borjomi. There, the replacement Borya was already developing the disintegration relay.
          5. SSR
            SSR 26 September 2014 22: 47
            +30
            Quote: slthew
            He wanted the best. You did not live in the USSR and do not know how we lived poorly. Yes, and total control, everything that you have now, for example, an abundance of beautiful and fashionable clothes, an abundance of delicious food, an abundance of electronics, so this was not the case in the USSR. He decided to rebuild the system of the USSR, and change everything, but he was naive and naturally intervened by the CIA, plus local corruption, and the country went the wrong way. He himself said that my most important mistake - that he left, as I recall, he said for reasons of conscience - he says that the main mistake was this, it was necessary to go to the end, but he was indecisive.

            I bought a pair of Columbia pants in two weeks - what are you wearing for a lump? I wore crosses with gortex in winter and then bought a winter salomon - how fashionable and beautiful the Shindec is, rarely saw sausages and dumplings with the Scoop, and mayonnaise was a delicacy in general (there was such a region) was there no electronics? Think a little and answer one question how Buran made takeoff and landing without human intervention on board. I agree about the indecisive, this skatina, under the guise of publicity and read bullshit, let outright saboteurs into the country and the whole series of Karabakh vilyus, Uzbek scumbags, blossomed under the tagged one, and our industry was killed and instead of our natures of products their chemical industry came. In general, I will say this - the food shortage was made artificially and it was done by those who needed it, and the performer should be hump.
            1. sergeybulkin
              sergeybulkin 26 September 2014 22: 58
              +13
              Quote: SSR
              food shortages were made artificially and those who needed it did it and their executor humped.

              It's strange why they don't talk about it ??? Indeed, in times of total shortage, warehouses were crammed to the ceiling with goods, and what could not fit in warehouses was sold cheaply over the hill, or even so was given in the form of "help". I wish I could find out who carried out such a clever operation with such a huge country?
            2. Manul
              Manul 27 September 2014 01: 31
              -2
              Quote: SSR
              I bought a pair of Columbia pants in two weeks - what are you wearing for a lump? I wore crosses with gortex in winter and then bought a winter salomon - how fashionable and beautiful the Shindec is, rarely saw sausages and dumplings with the Scoop, and mayonnaise was a delicacy in general (there was such a region) was there no electronics? Think a little and answer one question how Buran made takeoff and landing without human intervention on board. I agree about the indecisive, this skatina, under the guise of publicity and read bullshit, let outright saboteurs into the country and the whole series of Karabakh vilyus, Uzbek scumbags, blossomed under the tagged one, and our industry was killed and instead of our natures of products their chemical industry came. In general, I will say this - the food shortage was made artificially and it was done by those who needed it, and the performer should be hump.

              Excuse me, what kind of nonsense did you write here? And this is with a claim to a Soviet man .. laughing
              1. SSR
                SSR 27 September 2014 23: 46
                +4
                I don’t take offense at these.
                For the "gifted" - "columbia and solomon and rip curl" today is quality - for the gifted I will not say anything.
                About electronics. - Based on the fact that you have all designated delirium, I can’t understand what is delirious about electronics?
                Are you worried about the tagged and don’t know? Do not be offended but chel on with your toothless smile of an idiot.
                Do you even know about the withdrawal of wax from Western? Do you know how they broke a wall? But how did you dump the trucks?
                You write - "I'm sorry, but what kind of nonsense did you write here? And this is with a claim to blah blah blah" and you, besides belching delirium, at least wrote something besides your belching?
                1. Manul
                  Manul 28 September 2014 23: 55
                  0
                  Quote: SSR
                  I don’t take offense at these.
                  For the "gifted" - "columbia and solomon and rip curl" today is quality - for the gifted I will not say anything.
                  About electronics. - Based on the fact that you have all designated delirium, I can’t understand what is delirious about electronics?
                  Are you worried about the tagged and don’t know? Do not be offended but chel on with your toothless smile of an idiot.
                  Do you even know about the withdrawal of wax from Western? Do you know how they broke a wall? But how did you dump the trucks?
                  You write - "I'm sorry, but what kind of nonsense did you write here? And this is with a claim to blah blah blah" and you, besides belching delirium, at least wrote something besides your belching?


                  Yes, I know and remember a lot. The fact that you dump the facts into some obscure pile determines the brevity of the answer - your verbal flow does not cause a desire to tear off the grain from the chaff.
                  And the fact that Buran took off and landed made me happy. Thank you for opening your eyes - I thought it was only landing.
                  While for me you remain a subtle troll. In this I will always be glad to make a mistake. But in the conditions of an open information war, I became overly suspicious.
            3. Pushkin74
              Pushkin74 27 September 2014 10: 15
              0
              Well, who said what is worse in RUSSIA ??????
              1. andrew42
                andrew42 27 September 2014 15: 36
                +1
                Yes, I will say that in Russia it is worse. There were many shortcomings in the USSR. But in an oligarchic pseudo-state, it certainly cannot be better. Perhaps you are the owner of the subsoil? Or privatized factories-newspapers-steamboats? There are more minuses, and these minuses are FUNDAMENTAL, in Russian, BASIC. This is what matters.
          6. Antor
            Antor 26 September 2014 23: 41
            +3
            "The road to hell is paved with good intentions," and Gorbachev will get it, a lot of grief drags on from his betrayal
            our national interests!
            Ah, he is naive, etc., etc., but it’s not for politicians of this rank and responsibility, enough to shield him, because you can justify anyone and anyone!
            You read the memoirs of his assistants - he only listened to his wife, (we have no wife, then a great politician, then a great businessman with those in power) and now we are sitting with all the Russian people and not just the people and we’ll disentangle with NATO at the temple.
            Well, why are the Chinese leaders so clever, and such as Gorbachev and others like him such naive simpletons, fools and where is China now and where are we!?
            1. Pushkin74
              Pushkin74 27 September 2014 10: 17
              0
              Transfer all the accumulations of bureaucrats to RUSSIA, and all at once we will take care of YOUR COUNTRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          7. Finches
            Finches 26 September 2014 23: 45
            +20
            We lived happily! Happily!
            Without yachts and limousines, but happily!
            You probably don’t understand this!
            A person’s life is one, and so happily living it is sometimes more profitable than profitable to live in pursuit of happiness!
            1. Autopilot
              Autopilot 27 September 2014 06: 17
              +2
              Of everything that has been said here, the very essence. And Gorbachev or anyone else instead of him - anyone would be guided by "overseas friends" to what they got in the end - perestroika, if it were wrong ...
          8. Bezarius
            Bezarius 27 September 2014 00: 35
            +4
            The arguments you have are worthy individuals, the meaning of which is in consumption.
          9. Manul
            Manul 27 September 2014 01: 14
            +5
            Quote: slthew
            He wanted the best. You did not live in the USSR and do not know how we lived poorly. Yes, and total control, everything that you have now, for example, an abundance of beautiful and fashionable clothes, an abundance of delicious food, an abundance of electronics, so this was not the case in the USSR. He decided to rebuild the system of the USSR, and change everything, but he was naive and naturally intervened by the CIA, plus local corruption, and the country went the wrong way. He himself said that my most important mistake - that he left, as I recall, he said for reasons of conscience - he says that the main mistake was this, it was necessary to go to the end, but he was indecisive.

            The granddaughters of Crimean officers no longer even cause anger. Fatigue .. What is needed, Broken feather of the Texas prairies? Are you the oldest living in the USSR? You sit (make a reservation - I always try to turn to you. At the moment it doesn’t work out for some reason) somewhere in Tallinn or Wroclaw, and you’re writing a haze that makes your mouth go back. You’re not tired of yourself
            drive the blizzard?
          10. Talgat
            Talgat 27 September 2014 02: 13
            +20
            Quote: slthew
            You did not live in the USSR and do not know how we lived poorly


            I grew up and worked under the USSR - before perestroika, everything was quite normal. interruptions began precisely in the restructuring of the hunchback

            Look at the statistics, you’ll simply fall - the meat of milk of electricity was consumed by people after the perestroika and the collapse of the union many times less !!! in fact, it was a massive impoverishment. and how many died from lack of medical care and just drank themselves from despair. and the war began on the outskirts in general - the Tajiks during the union lived no worse than us and the Uzbeks and Kyrgyz - and now just as a disaster zone on our southern borders - migrant workers have ceased to be like us - and in the union there were such Soviet people as Almaty people. But in the Caucasus, a continuous war has begun! And you complain - poorly see whether you lived in union

            And the fact that Gorbachev wanted the best I don’t believe - indirectly, he repeatedly admitted his intention to destroy the country - but the most important thing is where he lives and from whom he takes handouts - like a dog
            Of course, the people are to blame - they are corrupted, they are reborn - they wanted the enemy’s chewing gum to listen to the western music jeans, they lost the feeling of the enemy in the west, the Russians were primarily guilty (only no offense - but the truth) and especially in the capitals. All this from Moscow and Leningrad went -

            a paradox, but in a sense, we are now becoming stronger - although formally the union is fragmented and there is less money and tanks - but the majority of people realized that they were very wrong in the 80 and no one believes in the good intentions of the pend wasps
            For beaten two unbeaten give speak
            1. ZVEROBOY
              ZVEROBOY 27 September 2014 02: 33
              +6
              Well done Talent !!!
              RESPECT!
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          12. Vitaly72
            Vitaly72 27 September 2014 02: 49
            +5
            Please, dear! We didn't live in the USSR? LIVED - that's exactly LIVED, as they say, creating in work and joy there were also rattles, but this is the cost of production, I practically did not feel them and you say the absence "" "WAS I had electronics and a motorcycle and potatoes with voimix as in the 90s did not choke
          13. jPilot
            jPilot 27 September 2014 04: 40
            +5
            "I wanted the best" and sold to his girlfriend M. Thatcher, but it turned out, as always, through jo.pu. And don't talk about the USSR, and there is no need to tell "war songs", here many have found the existence of this great power. There was a lot of good things, people are not alive with one zhrachka. And even how to see what is better for a full stomach and beautiful clothes or spiritual education of which in the USSR was much more. A simple and understandable example, you will now enter the forest, even where you will see so much shit and garbage, but under the USSR it was not even possible to imagine such a thing, I know not by hearsay that I was engaged in tourism in my youth. And all your current so-called "prosperity" from the Western type of "civilizations" could be raped and without collapse, simply diplomatically. Yes, and what you have now is being done and developed in the same place where it was, and your own production has slipped nowhere worse than with agriculture, you can't even imagine how many abandoned fields and livestock farms there are in the camp, I see this almost every day and in different places "the day before yesterday" on the Volga, "yesterday" in the Urals, today I fly in Yakutia (such is the life of a private pilot) and everywhere, everywhere, abandoned uncultivated fields and ruined farms. So the abundance you are now praising is a "soap bubble" and of poor quality, remember at least the "doctor's" for 2.90 rubles. (if you're talking about someone who lived in the USSR) .... Well, that's enough because there are very, very many facts to plug you in the belt about "how bad it was"
            And his indecisiveness is the grief of many millions of people, because no one pushed him to steer forcefully, he himself agreed, or even he was eager for power. So: Judah and burn him in hell forever negative plus in his statement there is only one, if he was allowed to vyaknut it, to know something changes "there" and VICTORY WILL BE OURS. LET THE GREAT RUSSIA AND ITS FRIENDLY PEOPLE LIVE AND PROSPER !!!!!
            In addition, the US Department of State must be destroyed
            1. zvědavost
              zvědavost 27 September 2014 09: 34
              -5
              Life is very diverse. You have your own vision of recent history and you will always pick up a lot of facts for it. The other person has a different vision, and he will also pick up a lot of facts. This is called subjective vision. I was born in 1957, my director in 1943. He says that we lived well, because in 80 * he worked at a design institute, which Moscow fed God, God grant everyone to get this done. At that time, an ordinary designer at this institute received 500 p. per month. And I have parents: teacher - 120 p. per month, librarian 60 rub. per month, my grandmother has a collective farm pension 20 rub. per month. They didn’t give a kindergarten, they didn’t have an apartment, the father built the house himself, they did not give permits to the sanatorium. And most importantly, it was necessary to walk in a single line. You lean out, you’ll slam your nose well. Everyone has already forgotten about food cards (and not only at the end of the 80's), and about flea markets, the distribution system and 30 summer lines for housing. People have a short memory. But in vain do you pour mud on Gorbachev. Not only him, everyone then understood that we were going nowhere. Reforms were needed, but on the crest of reforms the wrong people came to power. The topic is too comprehensive to explain its position in 2's words. Live and rejoice that you live in a time when opportunities to realize yourself, to achieve something much more. What we are, such and the world around us.
              1. Makosha
                Makosha 28 September 2014 21: 35
                0
                Quote: zvědavost
                And most importantly, it was necessary to walk in a single line. You lean out and slam your nose well.

                Take a look at the psychologist. Preferably, a gestalt therapist. I'm serious.
                I don’t think I’ll be wrong if you are still "bad".
            2. Bayonet
              Bayonet 28 September 2014 10: 05
              0
              Quote: jPilot
              now enter the forest even where there is so much gov.na and garbage you will see

              Well, of course, this is Gorbachev shit.
            3. Makosha
              Makosha 28 September 2014 21: 30
              0
              Quote: jPilot
              And his indecisiveness is the grief of many millions of people, because no one pushed him to steer forcefully, he himself agreed, or even he was eager for power. So: Judah and burn him in hell forever

              He bought this power for himself by betrayal, the devastation of a great country, and the death of a state-forming people. What is going on in the Donbass now.
          14. saksan
            saksan 27 September 2014 06: 32
            +6
            With the cooling of the country that gave you free education, medical care, an apartment, betrayal begins. The minus is big
          15. Pit Bull59
            Pit Bull59 27 September 2014 06: 56
            +8
            Complete nonsense! Who wanted to go in foreign clothes - he went to them. It was hard to get, but they got it. About what they say is now an abundance of delicious food to us - this is nonsense. All food is entirely from chemistry. In the USSR this was not! All products were natural! In general, you can take a long discussion about where it is better. But we will not do it. I’ll write briefly ... I was born, grew up, studied, fell in love and the first child was born in my USSR!
          16. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 27 September 2014 08: 27
            +7
            Quote: slthew
            You did not live in the USSR and do not know how we lived poorly.

            You'd better keep silent, "the granddaughter of an officer from Sevastopol." It was already my second year in 1957 when my father pointed to a small star in the night sky and called it "satellite". I stood in line for bread ("kept the line") under Khrushchev. I was strained with clothes, but in our regional center there were already THREE libraries. We didn’t enter technical schools and institutes out of pull, and they gave us solid knowledge.
          17. Not hearing
            Not hearing 27 September 2014 11: 27
            +5
            Quote: slthew
            he says that the main mistake was in this, it was necessary to go to the end

            Gorbachev's main mistake is that he started political and economic reforms at the same time. The party, the communists - that was the skeleton of the country. When they were compromised by publicity (and to be honest there were many "skeletons in the closet" and there was something to criticize for), the skeleton was taken out - the country crumbled. China, he acted wiser, first of all he took up the economy, they crushed their opposition with tanks in Tiananmen Square. It is tragic, people died, but in the end they saved the country and China is the second power in the world.
            1. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 27 September 2014 14: 08
              +1
              Quote: Not Hearing
              The main mistake of Gorbachev is that he

              ... just born into the world, and not fell a well-deserved victim of an abortion.
          18. Pinochetus
            Pinochetus 27 September 2014 15: 03
            0
            If so indecisive, why did he take it at ease?
          19. Georgy USSR
            Georgy USSR 27 September 2014 20: 06
            0
            Yeah, delicious electronics?
          20. kz0974
            kz0974 28 September 2014 10: 33
            +3
            Quote: slthew
            He wanted the best. You did not live in the USSR and do not know how we lived poorly. Yes, and total control, everything that you have now, for example, an abundance of beautiful and fashionable clothes, an abundance of delicious food, an abundance of electronics, so this was not the case in the USSR. He decided to rebuild the system of the USSR, and change everything, but he was naive and naturally intervened by the CIA, plus local corruption, and the country went the wrong way. He himself said that my most important mistake - that he left, as I recall, he said for reasons of conscience - he says that the main mistake was this, it was necessary to go to the end, but he was indecisive.

            I lived in the USSR. Only the last years have been bad (the work of the fifth column). And so everything was fine and everyone had an apartment key under the rug. You - the young man would be better silent and not dishonored.
          21. Chupacabra
            Chupacabra 28 September 2014 16: 07
            +1
            and also in the USSR there were no homeless people, unemployed, street children, there were no people who were dying from the fact that they could not pay for medical care. And also in the USSR fagot jailed!
          22. Makosha
            Makosha 28 September 2014 20: 31
            +1
            Quote: slthew
            You did not live in the USSR and do not know how we lived poorly.

            I lived in the USSR, and the most "miserable" salary was 120 rubles, and in industrial zones it reached 500 and more. I earned about 320, but a ticket from Tashkent to Leningrad cost 57 rubles, and a ticket to a sanatorium in Crimea was about 50-70 rubles, but from the trade union it was cheaper, even free. Especially with a doctor's note. Twice a year we were in a dispensary, which was not inferior to the profiled sanatoriums - also free of charge. Moreover, coupons were given for lunch in the factory canteens. A set lunch cost 70 kopecks.
            There was an opportunity to increase salaries - many submitted rationalization proposals, worked on a "combined" basis. I worked part-time at the institute (I gave lectures), and later - in a non-departmental examination. And that's all - legally. And the leaders knew.
            Quote: slthew
            an abundance of beautiful and fashionable clothes, an abundance of delicious food

            Is it an imported food - "tasty"? If anything is edible with them, it is only at a price of 1500 rubles / kg. The rest is synthetic, plasticine poison.
            Under the Union, the uncle regularly supplied us with sturgeon from Astrakhan, moreover, he bought it legally - in the market. Delicacy was brought from Russia - Borodino bread and Samara chocolate. A standard set of products was produced by all regions, and everything was tasty and healthy.
            About imported clothes - and imported in the Union. But I preferred the Leningrad Skorokhod more. And where is he now?
            1. DRA-88
              DRA-88 28 September 2014 20: 57
              +1
              Quote: Makosha
              I lived in the USSR, and the most "miserable" salary was 120 rubles, and in industrial zones it reached 500 and more. I earned about 320, but at the same time a ticket from Tashkent to Leningrad cost 57 rubles,

              You are right, we lived. We worked wonderfully and creatively!
              I went to Sukhumi with my friends for a student scholarship of 63 rubles (the increased basic was 40 rubles).
              When the USSR traveled all over the country! Now it’s cheaper to Turkey than to the Far East!
              Still here they are voting about sausage trains, I remind people chasing cheap sausage (again with a hunchback) and in Kooptorg sausage and meat were always only a little more expensive from 50kop to ruble !!!
              To the Soviet standard of living (I mean a combination of factors) of the current Russian Federation as to the Moon !!!
              1. Makosha
                Makosha 28 September 2014 21: 41
                0
                Quote: DRA-88
                To the Soviet standard of living (I mean a combination of factors) of the current Russian Federation as to the Moon !!!

                I think this is already unrecoverable. Just the majority of the population does not know how it was. They do not see another pattern, except for the western one. There is no sample - there is nothing to restore.
          23. ksan
            ksan 28 September 2014 23: 06
            +3
            He wanted the best. You did not live in the USSR and do not know how we lived poorly. Yes, and total control, all that you have now, for example, an abundance of beautiful and fashionable clothes, an abundance of delicious food, an abundance of electronics, so this was not the case in the USSR.
            In order to have an abundance of beautiful and fashionable rags, it was not necessary to destroy the great and powerful country and drive ordinary, not rich people into terrible poverty.
            the CIA intervened, plus local corruption, and the country went the wrong way.
            And what then is the country's leadership needed for? In order to deal with difficulties, economic and external threats, or to look soft and fluffy in the eyes of the "civilized West"?
      3. Finches
        Finches 26 September 2014 21: 24
        +16
        On the verge of death, people are becoming wiser! Sins are clearly understood and errors are sharper perceived. Ordinary people are silent, and public people want to be forgiven from contemporaries! It’s good to sell your homeland during your life, but before death you’re thinking not about money ..... but more about the truth and what you left behind!
      4. Pavel Sinko
        Pavel Sinko 26 September 2014 21: 26
        +23
        And to his soul, he remembered late in history and will remain forever as the Judas of his own people.
      5. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 26 September 2014 21: 48
        +5
        No, he just cut the pension by the State Department.
      6. SSR
        SSR 26 September 2014 22: 35
        +2
        Quote: Zhekson
        Gorbi that has already moved away from anesthesia?

        Quote: Ascetic
        Quote: Zhekson
        Gorbi that has already moved away from anesthesia?


        Probably to prepare for the earth .. Sins forgives before meeting with the Almighty ...

        I wanted to write an answer, but then I realized that whatever I wrote about the tagged one, it would be a swearing flood with respect to this article, and yet the tagged one would never flood.
      7. max702
        max702 26 September 2014 22: 36
        +9
        Quote: Zhekson
        Gorbi that has already moved away from anesthesia?

        She’s an option ...
      8. vvvvv
        vvvvv 27 September 2014 03: 08
        +11
        I admit that Gorbachev's role as the only traitor is VERY and VERY strongly overestimated ... And that's why, for example. In the late 80s, in the USSR, there were not only shadow clans for a long time, such as the Yeltsin "Sverdlovsk" clans, but they had real power in all industries and sectors. The shortage of goods was artificial - there were freight trains on the tracks and products were rotting in them - from this I personally read in the newspaper "Gudok" of those years. The programs often included stories about Kamaz sausages and bread in landfills. And so on, etc.
        Shadow rulers and underground millionaires have long been associated with the Western establishment and certainly wanted to legalize and cash out their power, to live in the West - to be masters of life. In comparison with them, Gorbachev is no one and a starving man. He only then fucked at his PR. He could be played in the dark inside and out. I believe that he rather blundered, made mistakes (probably with hobbies), was not in his place, had more formal power. Because under the CPSU and all structures, the former general secretaries could rely on this mechanism, but during the Gorbachev mechanism was sabotaged, control was seized.
        To think that only one Gorbachev betrayed, even if that is so, is absurdity and nonsense. So beneficial to those who expose him as a scapegoat. And VERY and VERY many remain in the shade. Those who have long lived abroad and brought there capital, or still live in Russia and have billions of dollars.
        By the way, E. Limonov wrote about the same for a long time in his book.
        In the late 80s, quite a few were selling anything and everything. They cried out - freedom and democracy for us. Everywhere they wrote about UFOs and drums, the directors were plundering everything, the "cultural" get-together was gorging on a generous dough for them from crooks, the whole country seemed to be raging - some with fat, some with general "music" ...
        I remember those times very well. Few condemned what was happening at the very beginning. Pioneers burned their ties, Komsomol members tore party cards, almost all somehow, but distinguished themselves. This I have very briefly outlined. You can sketch a lot of small and all sorts of arguments into the big picture.
        And it’s convenient for all of us to blame only one in general madness ... This is both stupid and not decent.
        1. zvědavost
          zvědavost 27 September 2014 09: 41
          -1
          All honestly wrote. Then we were all tired of the eternal shortages, cards, lies, bigotry and Pharisees of the communist bosses. The worst thing about 80 is the hypocrisy of power. These decrepit general secretaries, the five-year-old funeral, boasting that we will catch up and overtake, each family has an apartment for 1985 year. Many things were promised, but they did not wait.
          1. andrew42
            andrew42 27 September 2014 16: 26
            +2
            In response to you about "shortages" and "five-year plans." I still remember the information that leaked on Soviet television: there were all sorts of reform programs "100 days", "500 days", in general, the beginnings of a "free happy market." There was such a government of Silaev, if I am not mistaken. So, the plot: Japanese experts-economists were invited (well, they are geniuses of economics, and we are padded jackets and bast boots), they asked the well-known Russian question about economics "What can you want?" The Japanese answered: to strengthen the role of government regulation! This is in 1990! Then this incident was quickly hushed up, but I have a good memory. This means that anyone can break a state car, but you need a master to adjust it (like a carburetor). And definitely not such a "young" party leader who can only "depress" and "consensus" seek. Now about the "decrepit general secretaries". Do you seriously think that a young talkative scoundrel (the mouthpiece of profit-hungry gesheftmakers) is better than a not very healthy old man, but not deprived of experience and morality? - I don't think so, and I advise you not to repeat the crazy cliches of the 80s. Who do you think gave birth to the idea of ​​"perestroika" -? Well, not Gorbachev! It was raised by quite sane and talented people in the Central Committee and the Politburo - Ligachev, Ryzhkov and many others, those who considered the USSR their home country and were responsible. This idea was also worked out under Chernenko; in general, the question has been posed since the time of Andropov. By the way, both figures (Anlropov and Chernenko) ended their lives under very murky circumstances. As in that joke, where "from stealth the children swelled and died." Gorby and his accomplices only straddled this topic, pushed the patriots of the country aside, emasculated all the stuffing, left only GLASNOST and DISARMAMENT. With the passage of time, you will still understand that the Communist Party as a state institution does not differ in functionality from the Democrats and Republicans of the United States. Compared to the endless circus competition of the latter, the KOMParty had no one to blame. Whether the course of the CPSU was good or bad is a separate question. The bottom line is different: the Union disintegrated, because the enemy infiltrated the very top of the ruling political elite, turned all good initiatives inside out or brought it to the point of absurdity, disguised the struggle within this very Center of Control, and blamed not on specific figures, but on the power as a whole. To simplify: if your computer is infected with a virus, it does not mean that your operating system is bad. You need to install antivirus, not kill Windu!
        2. Turkir
          Turkir 27 September 2014 23: 54
          +1
          You just are not well informed. While in Germany, under President Yeltsin, Gorbachev said: For a long time (!) I wanted to destroy the USSR.
          ---------------
          Stupid and dishonorable, what?
          To call things by their NAMES?
          Gorbachev is not just JUDAH, he is DOUBLE JUDAH.
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      10. Yun Klob
        Yun Klob 27 September 2014 09: 15
        0
        They probably took off the salary.
      11. dim242
        dim242 27 September 2014 09: 48
        +1
        no, just realized that he was thrown. Putin remembers this and is unlikely to let this "partner" divorce himself again
      12. sgazeev
        sgazeev 27 September 2014 14: 01
        +1
        Quote: Zhekson
        Gorbi that has already moved away from anesthesia?

        Well, yes, sobered sober. fool
      13. Georgy USSR
        Georgy USSR 27 September 2014 20: 04
        0
        Ha woke up or what?
      14. alexey garbuz
        alexey garbuz 27 September 2014 22: 43
        0
        And humpbacked and black-faced in one hole would not hurt.
      15. Madcape
        Madcape 28 September 2014 10: 22
        0
        Apparently he feels that he will soon die of old age ... After all, he has already lived his own, and it seems that there is nothing to lose.
      16. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 28 September 2014 12: 06
        +1
        Quote: Zhekson
        Gorbi that has already moved away from anesthesia?

        Nothing left. After all, he himself, draining the USSR, created the system of a unipolar world, and now crocodile tears are pouring. Do not believe the betrayer once.
      17. avdkrd
        avdkrd 28 September 2014 14: 34
        +1
        Quote: Zhekson
        Gorbi that has already moved away from anesthesia?

        In his declining years, he decided to pray for sins. I don’t know whether it will be frozen before the sky, but it is unlikely before Russia.
      18. ksan
        ksan 28 September 2014 22: 05
        0
        Jackson (1) SU September 26, 2014 20:54 PM ↑
        Gorbi that has already moved away from anesthesia?
        Exactly, a moron from the Stavropol collective farm in his old age, enlightenment visited fellow
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    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 26 September 2014 20: 56
      +26
      One pseudo-laureate enchants the same pseudo-laureate of the Nobel Peace Prize.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 26 September 2014 21: 21
        +15
        He matured, and where he looked when he stood at the helm of the Great Power !? When everything is center. Mass media of the USSR proved imperial habits of the USA?
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 27 September 2014 00: 07
          +5
          Quote: Kasym
          where he looked when he stood at the helm of a Great Power



          He looked into the honest, disinterested eyes of Raisa Maximovna, and during the breaks, into Ronald Reagan's mouth. bully
          1. kush62
            kush62 27 September 2014 04: 44
            0
            He looked into the honest, disinterested eyes of Raisa Maximovna, and during the breaks, into Ronald Reagan's mouth.


            Rather, a boob. Constantly looked into Reagan's mouth, and during breaks at Raisa.
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    4. GSH-18
      GSH-18 26 September 2014 21: 15
      +11
      Nobel Prize winner Nobel Prize winner: Mikhail Gorbachev named the United States and Obama the main global fever

      Do not you say! Straight "Svidomo awakening" part two! lol
    5. Carlos
      Carlos 26 September 2014 21: 46
      +3
      Michael! Get ready for the land, or something ... Stop already ranting ... Sincerely yours:
    6. boozer
      boozer 26 September 2014 22: 02
      +9
      That's because of this "marked" all the troubles! He destroyed such an Empire, brought so many deaths, so many troubles! He didn't have enough mind to raise the economy in the USSR, he sold himself to "mattress" and "Kaiser" buns - traitor number 0001! Now conscience tortured? Began to look extreme ... Tv @ ry finished!
    7. sabakina
      sabakina 26 September 2014 22: 10
      +4
      If only to fight ... We can pile on ... for example, boots with filling ...
    8. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 26 September 2014 23: 49
      +2
      Strength, tv..r sensed, and let's go. But his fund for loot ne ... s steers.
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    10. Foxmara
      Foxmara 27 September 2014 17: 02
      +1

      the ability to spit in the back of the head is neutralized
    11. Independent
      Independent 28 September 2014 02: 35
      +2
      Well, let’s climb. And I would ask Gorbachev. I would like so much. Why did you just wake up now. You stole everything from me. And the country, and peace, and confidence in the future. You stole my pension. And I do not care what you think now. The main thing you did. You even live in another country, celebrate your birthday in another country. You get what gifts and prizes. And my country, thanks to you, dear, is now forced to fight back with all your mental and unimaginable methods. To prove to someone from whom you received bonuses that we are not fools and not terrorists. Live there and do not meddle in politics. You have already done what you could. And we are paying. Well, I would like to tell Gorbachev this. It’s a pity that he will not hear.
    12. Sterlya
      Sterlya 28 September 2014 04: 08
      +2
      My father is the same age as Gobaty, he said that he would not die until Gorbaty was buried, Yesterday he buried his father, he rest in peace, and a place in paradise. (which is unlikely to wish this traitor. He sold the country, it does not matter because of stupidity or greed. And he does not live in his homeland. The last abomination)
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    14. Mercury
      Mercury 29 September 2014 10: 37
      0
      Not my words, but my opinion is shared:
      According to the State Department (more precisely, the true masters of the World), this comrade is allowed everything. He can not only say without fear all that he’ll do, he can relieve the need on the President’s desk in the White House. For their prezik is just a doll, and this scum did what they were even afraid to dream about. Almost free, that is, for nothing.

      What are you happy about? And why are you surprised?
    15. OlegLex
      OlegLex 29 September 2014 14: 40
      0
      don't try! They spit!
  2. Vladimir 70
    Vladimir 70 26 September 2014 20: 31
    +31
    .... tenacious bastard ...
    1. MIV999
      MIV999 26 September 2014 20: 37
      +16
      Tooting drinks Crawlers in general are usually tenacious ... If they don’t end with suicide (like, for example, Hitler or the same Berezovsky), then as a rule they spoil the air for a long time, and the life of those around them ... Only Brzezinski is worth negative ...
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      2. GRANATE-19
        GRANATE-19 26 September 2014 21: 01
        +12
        Quote: MIV999
        Brzezinski alone is worth it ...

        Here's what it costs and what remains after it:
    2. Момент
      Момент 26 September 2014 20: 40
      +15
      It's too late to drink Borzhom. Gorbachev did everything he could, but then his epiphany came. Is it too late? I think that now we need to make an anti-Belief film around the world, because there are two laureates and such "peacemakers."
      1. boozer
        boozer 26 September 2014 22: 05
        +1
        One destroyer, another neo-fascist (who is who think for yourself, in any case, be right!) ...
      2. marAprem
        marAprem 27 September 2014 03: 04
        +1
        Quote: Moment
        It’s too late to drink Borzh. All that Gorbachev could have done, but then enlightenment has come. Isn’t it too late?

        Better late - than never ... Though he repented before death ...
    3. Vorlon
      Vorlon 26 September 2014 20: 56
      0
      Pancake! Yes! stir pancake. Although, when viewed from the other side. Youth show the evil that grazes in the West
      1. Pavel Sinko
        Pavel Sinko 26 September 2014 21: 30
        +5
        This Almighty extended it for a year so that he could personally witness his own affairs and suffer. Having left in doubt and not with a calm soul, he himself ensured the eternal not rest in the afterlife. As we say, live a reptile and suffer. A marked werewolf.
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  3. Sasha75
    Sasha75 26 September 2014 20: 33
    +27
    Prosral country may even now understand that it would be better if he remained a combine operator.
    1. MIV999
      MIV999 26 September 2014 20: 43
      +12
      This is how many years the labeled one had to live to realize all the nasty things he did then towards the great country of the USSR, exchanging it for grants, "consensus", for "friendly" pats on the shoulder from the same Germans and Americans. ..
      It is a pity that this "enlightenment" came to him so late.
    2. Iline
      Iline 26 September 2014 20: 44
      +14
      Mikhail Gorbachev called the USA and Obama the main world fever

      The main world fever today is Gorbachev himself. The whole world is now in a fever from his reign. If the USSR didn’t fall apart, we would not now know the problems with Ukraine, the Baltic states, and indeed all other countries. And the whole world would now stand at attention and carefully listen to the voice of Russia.
      But there are no subjunctive moods in the history. We have what we have. Better you, grandfather, be silent now. I don’t hold evil against the old people, although I have suffered from your idiotism at the time.
    3. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 26 September 2014 20: 44
      +21
      It's actually just amazing. The head of a powerful state, so shamefully betraying her, is still alive and well. How many deaths and tragedies gave rise to his betrayal is incomprehensible to the mind. How many conquests of our country, paid for by the blood of millions of people, are simply flushed down the toilet.
      And he is not hanged, not shot. On the contrary, from the hands of Mr. Medvedev he accepted the highest award of Russia - the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 26 September 2014 20: 50
        +16
        MS Gorbachev woke up and regained his sight, if it were not for you Mikhail Sergeevich, there would be no Abama today, exceptional hegemons and other fevers, thanks to you today, war has come to many houses and knocks on other doors, thanks to your "wise" policy and pacifism will have to strain all its forces in order to reach parity again, you left such a legacy to descendants and this world, Abama is just a consequence, and you are the cause of everything ... Peacemaker damn it
        1. Manul
          Manul 27 September 2014 01: 36
          0
          Quote: SPACE
          if it weren’t for you, Mikhail Sergeyevich, today there would have been no Abama, exceptional hegemons and other fevers

          Well, it’s you who flatter him .. There wouldn’t be Humpback, there would be other traitors. But Sesheabritania will deal with depressions regardless of vassals and opponents (the last of which are only we and a few other countries)
    4. Fast
      Fast 26 September 2014 21: 27
      +1
      An able-bodied worker, who, according to Stakhanovsky, was like a combine in fifth gear, after him a wild field and a harvest rotted. Pot calls the kettle black...
    5. boozer
      boozer 26 September 2014 22: 07
      +1
      It was a cowboy!
  4. Victor-M
    Victor-M 26 September 2014 20: 34
    +16
    Years, years. Soon the answer is to keep before the Lord. He fulfills his points for the High Court. Well, better late than never. hi
  5. sergej30003
    sergej30003 26 September 2014 20: 34
    +4
    Gorbachev becomes smarter with age.
    1. Yu-81
      Yu-81 26 September 2014 20: 40
      +12
      Quote: sergej30003
      Gorbachev becomes smarter with age.

      Do you really think so ????
  6. Destroyqqqq
    Destroyqqqq 26 September 2014 20: 35
    +22
    Himself ok surrendered the country and doomed whole nations to suffer, and now Russia is getting on its feet and he quickly let's play as a patriot. Miserable puppet!
  7. tol100v
    tol100v 26 September 2014 20: 35
    +4
    Why not say that? When you need to wash yourself, for what you did! And not with soap, but with hydrofluoric acid (HF)!
  8. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 26 September 2014 20: 35
    +21
    I wonder what he calls himself?
    1. raven8888
      raven8888 27 September 2014 05: 05
      0
      Tue 72019 SU Yesterday, 20:35
      ... I wonder what he calls himself? ...


      Very modestly he calls himself a PEACEMA.
  9. DPZ
    DPZ 26 September 2014 20: 37
    +8
    Mikhail Gorbachev’s first speech, in which he speaks with such frank criticism of the American authorities and the support of the Russian authorities.
    however surprising. I did not expect that he would come out with the support of Russia and against the United States. apparently the mind triumphs. nicely! maybe the rest will see clearly ?!
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 26 September 2014 20: 42
      +7
      Looks like they stopped funding it, so he started singing!
      There is no forgiveness to him for the collapse of our Power! am
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 26 September 2014 20: 51
        +7
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Looks like they stopped funding it, so he started singing!

        The Nobel Prize is over, the fees are over, the grants are over - IT IS TIME TO GO TO THE CHURCH CHURCH!
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 26 September 2014 22: 57
          0
          Quote: Tol100v
          The Nobel Prize is over, the fees are over, the grants are over - IT IS TIME TO GO TO THE CHURCH CHURCH!

          There is nothing !!! On a minimum pension, to Russia, to St. Petersburg or Moscow, and to pay for the apartment himself! am
          1. Manul
            Manul 27 September 2014 01: 48
            0
            What pension !!! ??? fool He cherishes only the mines! Sawing. Reconstruction of mines and factories that are destroyed. Let him fight the hoe with the mafia, who have spawned in all structures, let him uproot the liberals from our country, let him try to revive medicine with a plow, and with what tool will he be able to return the teachers that were before in schools? PS And return the normal bread. I’ll tell all opponents of the USSR - I’ll live longer and happier on that bread than on your sneakers.
      2. Manul
        Manul 27 September 2014 01: 41
        0
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Looks like they stopped funding it, so he started singing!
        There is no forgiveness to him for the collapse of our Power!

        hi I apologize - I missed it by a minus. I turned to a higher post.
    2. boozer
      boozer 26 September 2014 22: 10
      0
      Yes, like Sakharov in his time - created a thermonuclear bomb, lived like "Christ in the bosom", but no, it turns out that he invented a deadly weapon, he saw the light!
  10. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 26 September 2014 20: 37
    +9
    I didn’t expect it from the combine! If the case is sevedet, I’ll spit
    1. Manul
      Manul 27 September 2014 01: 51
      0
      Quote: serega.fedotov
      I didn’t expect it from the combine! If the case is sevedet, I’ll spit

      I won’t be weaker, but laughed at your comment from the heart. With pleasure, plus
  11. gammipapa
    gammipapa 26 September 2014 20: 37
    +6
    Has the pink glasses been stolen from Gorbachev, how now it will survive.
  12. Yu-81
    Yu-81 26 September 2014 20: 38
    +9
    Quote: Mikhail Gorbachev
    USA and Obama - the main world fever

    Absolutely chtol crazy on old age? That this infamous extortion ass licked the West and the Union was falling apart, and now decided to build the right one from itself. Geek.
  13. vlad73
    vlad73 26 September 2014 20: 38
    +13
    I don’t even know how to relate to this ... The words are correct, they’ve only been 30 years late! Does he speak now, when the collapse of the USSR began with his filing and with him under the flag of democracy, publicity and other things, this wave of liberal muti! No matter how he twists now, Judas he will remain Judas!
  14. ava09
    ava09 26 September 2014 20: 38
    +4
    It is a pity that the Gorbachert did not understand this when he was selling the USSR.
    1. 0255
      0255 26 September 2014 21: 36
      +3
      not a fact that I did not understand No. There is evidence that in 1982 he went to Margaret Thatcher to discuss the plan for the collapse of the great Country.
    2. Pavel Sinko
      Pavel Sinko 26 September 2014 21: 39
      +1
      No matter what happens, sometimes you need to take a step back so that later two forward. The strong one is not the one who does not fall, but the one who falls and gets up and goes forward further. my dear.
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  16. Ingvar
    Ingvar 26 September 2014 20: 39
    +3
    one Nobel Peace Prize laureate "lowers below the plinth" another laureate ...

    Amusingly request If they didn’t give out prizes to anybody, there wouldn’t be such cases) So it seems that one “laureate” will repeat the feat of another “laureate” - he will ruin his “beloved” country.
  17. Nychego
    Nychego 26 September 2014 20: 40
    +14
    Gorbachev: We are a strong nation, we have something to rely on, and we have something to say.

    Even in the end, he speaks in his indescribable muddy style.

    Misha, die quietly. You have done such a thing that our grandchildren cannot be raked.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 28 September 2014 00: 08
      0
      Probably, only you and I of his "muddy style" and notice.
      Gorbachev is tongue-tied, stupid, cowardly, vengeful.
      The worst thing is that this ciliator is Khlestakov in power!
  18. Amper
    Amper 26 September 2014 20: 40
    +3
    Do not offend grandfather. I have a personal impression that he did it not out of harm, not out of self-interest, like all subsequent ones, but because of his weak character and not understanding the consequences, the lack of a plan and the team corresponding to the topic .. Although this does not make it any easier for us.
    1. raven8888
      raven8888 27 September 2014 05: 21
      +1
      Amper SU Yesterday, 20:40
      ... do not offend grandfather ...


      Minus one single word - "grandfather". Spotted h_m_o is NOT WORTHY for this kind word.
  19. major071
    major071 26 September 2014 20: 41
    +11
    Sins slays before the Russian people. Apparently afraid to get into Hell with all the curses received.
  20. studentmati
    studentmati 26 September 2014 20: 41
    +15
    An unexpected statement was made today by the first and last president of the USSR Mikhail Gorbachev in an interview with the Russian News Service. Gorbachev, commenting on the speech of US President Obama from the UN rostrum about Ebola as the main threat on the planet, said that the United States of America itself is the main fever on Earth.

    Your understanding, but postponed to 1985!
    1. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 26 September 2014 21: 19
      +5
      No ... much earlier .... It all started with the April 1985 plenum! And the beginning of "reforms" and the notorious-stupid struggle against drunkenness spawned drug addicts, moonshiners ... Then it was necessary to think about how to save the country and carry out reforms ...
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 26 September 2014 21: 43
        +2
        Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
        No ... much earlier .... It all started with the April 1985 plenum


        And what year did I call, Igor?
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 28 September 2014 10: 22
        0
        Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
        - stupid struggle with drunkenness spawned drug addicts, moonshiners.

        It was Ligachev who was mutilating there, the main wrestler. And on the ground, elite vineyards cut down loyal lackeys!
    2. Turkir
      Turkir 28 September 2014 00: 10
      0
      Gorbachev probably not received another bribe from the West and VERY offended.
  21. tag17
    tag17 26 September 2014 20: 42
    +4
    They even got tagged .... talents!
  22. vvsz031249
    vvsz031249 26 September 2014 20: 50
    +6
    What right songs do these exes sing ... Why did they sell everything at one time, lay down under the Americans, kissed and assented ... Now, with one foot in a ditch - they sang about independent Russia and a rotten west ... Tagged one from the main TRADERS of Russia. Whatever words he says today, there is no faith in him. such must be judged and anathema their names for centuries ...
  23. ekebastus
    ekebastus 26 September 2014 20: 50
    +3
    ... In b / \ I ...., received sight ...!
  24. paul1992
    paul1992 26 September 2014 20: 51
    +2
    Gorbachev, dismiss the speechwriter, he slipped the wrong speech for you ...
  25. 0603
    0603 26 September 2014 20: 51
    +4
    The old bastard feels that there is no forgiveness for him on this earth, and in the next world I hope I will be rewarded according to my deserts.
  26. Yu-81
    Yu-81 26 September 2014 20: 52
    +4
    There is no faith or forgiveness to this reptile! This bastard deserves only the most terrible punishment! The collapse of the great and long-suffering country on his conscience! Ice ax in his head!
  27. specialist
    specialist 26 September 2014 20: 53
    +1
    Yes ... Probably missed Russian birches. But seriously - yes, this is the first bad call for the West. If the "hump" himself was indignant, then there, probably, they should listen to this indignation of "their Nobel Peace Laureate." Maybe, after all, the Western media will begin to convey to their audience the truthful facts happening in the world. Although, as it seems to me, all these "indignations" will be erased, the hunchback is a played card for them, his name is nobody, and there is no way to call him. But in any case - the water wears away the stone, the truth will not work.
  28. Arkuda
    Arkuda 26 September 2014 20: 53
    0
    The old one has become completely, he wants to clear his conscience before his death, or his enlightenment came, I wanted it to be so.
  29. Barboskin
    Barboskin 26 September 2014 20: 54
    +1
    If this is a belated reaction to the events from 1985 to 1991, then it's time to yell in your ear "Wake up you serish !!!"
  30. Chisxnumxdiman
    Chisxnumxdiman 26 September 2014 20: 54
    -1
    Gorbachev repents to see before death belay
  31. midashko
    midashko 26 September 2014 20: 56
    0
    Yes, Judas seems to wake up.
    1. qQQQ
      qQQQ 26 September 2014 21: 38
      +3
      Quote: midashko
      Yes, Judas seems to wake up.

      Yes, Judas has no conscience, there is a terrible fear of Eternity, and a desire to at least somehow pray for his sins.
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  32. Igarr
    Igarr 26 September 2014 20: 57
    +6
    I do not believe Raskude ...
    was a creature, a creature and will remain ...
    It’s even terrible to recall that at one time, at the Algorithm factory in Tashkent, he shook hands with him.
    After all, he led one of the main devices.
    Shevardnadze greeted ....
    ...
    Cut off his hand, or what?
    And how then, one-armed, to repay a loan?
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 26 September 2014 21: 20
      +2
      Quote: Igarr
      Cut off his hand, or what?

      Yes you sho belay , in no case!
      - By the way, I took a loan, I want to have plastic surgery.
      - Why do you need plastic surgery?
      - So as not to give a loan! wink
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 27 September 2014 00: 13
      +1
      Quote: Igarr
      Cut off his hand, or what?



      Wash with soap and a cologne more thorough. bully
  33. little thing
    little thing 26 September 2014 20: 59
    -15
    Gorbachev is not to blame for the collapse of the USSR! No need to blame everything on him! We must be glad that the civil war did not happen - everything is against everyone! Yeltsin’s team is to blame, a departure from a planned economy, criminal privatization, dollarization, the fruits of which we are now reaping, and much more!
    1. Proud.
      Proud. 26 September 2014 21: 22
      +12
      Quote: thing
      Gorbachev is not to blame for the collapse of the USSR! No need to blame everything on him! We must be glad that the civil war did not happen - everything is against everyone! Yeltsin’s team is to blame, a departure from a planned economy, criminal privatization, dollarization, the fruits of which we are now reaping, and much more!

      Disagree. Gorbachev is the "liberal dad" of modern Russian liberals. Weak, incompetent politician, populist and projector. He was soft where it was necessary to show toughness. A short-sighted chatterbox. Everything else, including Yeltsin, the Belovezhsky agreement (that's right), is a consequence of it. deeds, or rather the absence of such.
    2. Vitaly72
      Vitaly72 27 September 2014 03: 22
      0
      But who is to blame? pope or ZARATHUSTRA?
      1. Autopilot
        Autopilot 27 September 2014 06: 39
        +2
        Maybe his predecessors, who died so quickly from old age and disease that they simply chose someone who was younger and healthier. They did not think about the upcoming political and economic problems. Unlike the "overseas".
    3. AntonR7
      AntonR7 28 September 2014 00: 08
      0
      And Yeltsin is to blame and Gorbi
  34. calocha
    calocha 26 September 2014 21: 00
    +3
    For a long time, the betrayal of this Nobel laureate will come to us ...
  35. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 26 September 2014 21: 02
    +5
    Quote: ekebastus
    ... In b / \ I ...., received sight ...!


    The State Department didn’t pay salaries for August, but he already screamed, the corrupt skin was aging am
  36. dmitrii35
    dmitrii35 26 September 2014 21: 02
    0
    He feels that he will be leaving soon - years! Maybe in this way he is trying to partially rehabilitate himself in the eyes of the Russian people! And perhaps he did not count on such a foreign policy in the future in relation to Russia when he played in the giveaway with the United States.
  37. wow
    wow 26 September 2014 21: 02
    +2
    At least once said something more worthless, a scoundrel!
  38. nemec55
    nemec55 26 September 2014 21: 03
    +5
    Judas, before the end, will still not sing in order to forgive and in history soften the verdict of a traitor to something liberal like a reformer BUT KNOW S, C, U, K, O, the people will not forgive YOU and only you ruined the lives of entire generations of people and peoples and how much more will you have to pay for your combining? People have already judged you BUT WILL BE GOD'S COURT.
  39. Rus62
    Rus62 26 September 2014 21: 06
    +2
    The Judas threw a grudge against the states that they had ceased to notice him. Say, here I am to you ... although the best German of the year is right, oh right.
  40. novel68rus
    novel68rus 26 September 2014 21: 06
    +3
    one hundred pounds is promoted ... it is unlikely that he will now be washed off for Russian people .. and will remain a traitor .. an ordinary retired prince ...
    what
  41. koksalek
    koksalek 26 September 2014 21: 07
    0
    How did he decide to object to his masters? Not with their approval, so that he burns in hell
  42. azbukin77
    azbukin77 26 September 2014 21: 08
    0
    Quote: Vladimir 70
    .... tenacious bastard ...

    Two pair boots! Christ sellers !!!!!!!!!
  43. Ppsh
    Ppsh 26 September 2014 21: 08
    +1
    Repented ....
  44. Penzyac
    Penzyac 26 September 2014 21: 08
    +3
    Well, and we are all: "traitor, traitor", but he turns out to be just an ordinary ambitious, but rather mediocre weak-willed loser (like Yanuca), even a conscience turns out to be there (or maybe just an insult, almost everything was deceived and thrown: and West, and "their" like Khrushchev) ...
  45. tasey
    tasey 26 September 2014 21: 10
    +7
    Misha ... do not pray. He will remain in our History, like Herostratus, who burned the GREAT COUNTRY to stay in it, History. In any way. Amen.
  46. tol100v
    tol100v 26 September 2014 21: 10
    +5
    M.S. Gorbachev-JUDAH, conscience will not wake up. She will be awake in ADU for what HE did to the USSR! And if he is buried in one of the glorious graveyards, then this will be the shame of all RUSSIA!
  47. smith7
    smith7 26 September 2014 21: 16
    +1
    They say wisdom comes over the years, but sometimes years come alone. What about conscience? Does she come over the years? The peoples of the USSR are unlikely to forgive him and his accomplices under the Bialowieza agreements. He can now only ask God for forgiveness ...
  48. FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 26 September 2014 21: 16
    +1
    Here are those and hello! Now, even if such a liberal reformer-perestroika realized that the USA now is that evil empire ....... I don’t even know what to say!
    1. Roman 11
      Roman 11 26 September 2014 23: 30
      +1
      Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
      even if such a liberal reformer-perestroika realized that the United States is now
      Got it ?? What should he understand? It was then clear even to children! I agree, 30 years ago they were a little more restrained. I have no doubt that this is a hunchback gesture - to feverishly take 1-2 points as a keepsake. They say people are good creatures, they will forgive in the end the traitor and grave digger of the Union. The usual policy, the main thing in unison to all sing. And where was he before - 17.12.86/26.04.86/91, 7.04.89/15.02.89/8.12.91, August XNUMX, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX and other important dates for the Union to now croak the truths to the whole world ??
  49. 311ove
    311ove 26 September 2014 21: 17
    +2
    Oh how !!!! ............... Nothing more to say!
  50. Barakuda
    Barakuda 26 September 2014 21: 19
    +6
    What do you want? Even Kisinger and Brzezinski are rumored by the current US policy.