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"You need to be a complete idiot to believe everything that happens" ©

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On the day of arrival in Donetsk, a column with Russian humanitarian aid was launched a missile attack on the capital of Donbass. Three missiles of the “Tochka-U” complex fired from the vicinity of Artyomovsk in the capital of Donbass fell on the city. The first one fell on the Astor building materials plant, the second one was torn off in the immediate vicinity of the Skochinsky mine, the third one destroyed the state-owned chemical products plant and its warehouses. One day - two loads. The first is humanitarian aid from Russia for the needy residents of the city and the republic, the second is the deadly ballistic missiles from the leadership of Ukraine. This is a word about aggression ...

The blows were struck at the very time when the next armistice agreement was reached in Minsk between the conflicting parties.

And who specifically struck in Donetsk? The “unequivocal” answer to this question was given by the Ukrainian media: terrorists shot at Donetsk with rockets. And in this case, there is every reason to agree with the Ukrainian media. Of course, the terrorists. And how else can you name representatives of the Ukrainian law enforcement agencies who are in positions near Artyomovsk and who decided to strike at the city at the very moment when trucks with humanitarian aid were unloaded in Donetsk, and at the very moment when, on behalf of the current Ukrainian president, the ex-president Kuchma signed a memorandum on a cease-fire and the withdrawal of heavy machinery outside the city agglomeration. The terrorists are there! - Ukrainian media correctly noticed.



What informational alignment is observed after a rocket attack by the Ukrainian security forces of Donetsk? Firstly, this shelling once again proves that a truce is SUCH a truce ... Secondly, the 100500 desire of the Ukrainian newsreaders to issue Donetsk shelling for "they themselves have fired." I remember how at the end of July CNN aired a program in which materials were presented (referring to sources in the American security forces) about the use of the Ukrainian army "Point-U" on the positions of the DPR and LPR militia. The footage from the site of the fall of the rockets, already filmed near Lugansk, demonstrated that the rockets (many of which, fortunately, did not work) fell on urban areas. If the rockets had exploded, this would have resulted in a huge number of civilians wounded and killed.

Then the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council said that the Ukrainian security forces did not use ballistic missiles of the “Tochka-U” complex because of the “ongoing street fighting” and because of the “absence of the“ Tochka-U ”missile systems in service with the Ukrainian army. From such a frank lie, the Security Council of Ukraine can only be shaken up, because the statistics indicate that the Ukrainian army has more than 80 missile systems of this type in service.

Ukrainian lie in July was lowered on the brakes. What about today? How are things going with the fixation by representatives of the OSCE mission of outright aggression of the Ukrainian security forces against Donetsk? It would seem that the strikes of ballistic missiles at the time of the signing of the “conciliatory” memorandum should be immediately taken by the OSCE missionaries to a pencil with all the consequences. But...

"You need to be a complete idiot to believe everything that happens" ©


We read OSCE reports and find in them the following:

OSCE observers assess the situation in eastern Ukraine as calm. There is a partial restoration of the normal operation of infrastructure facilities.


Ballistic missiles bursting in a city in which hundreds of thousands of inhabitants remain - is this a calm situation ?!

On its website, the OSCE recalls that the mission in the east of Ukraine is aimed at monitoring the situation on the establishment of facts of the use of weapons by both parties, the recording of war crimes. The mission aims to achieve a multilateral dialogue to comply with the terms of the truce in the region.

I wonder what secret notepad the OSCE records in such data. After all, in fact, there was not a single articulate explanation about how the organization responded not only to the rocket attacks of Donetsk, but also the attack of the OSCE mission itself, which took place a few days ago. The shelling is under way, the “missionaries” themselves are firing at the vehicles, civilians continue to die in the Donbas, and in the OSCE they have collected water in their mouths. If this silence is the meaning of the work of the organization, then what is the point that the number of its representatives in the east of Ukraine will grow from 300 to 500 people? Or silence in 500 mouths weightier? ..

And the work of the OSCE in Ukraine is aptly characterized by the quotation of a wonderful football player and coach, a native of Kiev, Anatoly Byshovtsa, said, however, in a completely different way:

You have to be a complete idiot to believe everything that happens.


More precisely (about the OSCE mission) and you will not say ...
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  1. yan
    yan 22 September 2014 08: 35
    +64
    It is extremely regrettable that the structure designed to find peaceful ways of settlement (OSCE) has degenerated into an elementary litter of the West. There is no one to talk to, and nothing
    1. mazhnikof.Niko
      mazhnikof.Niko 22 September 2014 08: 53
      +39
      Quote: yan
      It is extremely regrettable that the structure designed to find peaceful ways of settlement (OSCE) has degenerated into an elementary litter of the West. There is no one to talk to, and nothing


      Respectfully, I’ll add a little bit ...
      The structure has not degenerated. It was originally created as the "bedding" of the WEST!
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 22 September 2014 16: 22
        +13
        OSCE: "I don't see anything, I don't hear anything, I won't tell anyone ..."
      2. avg
        avg 22 September 2014 16: 26
        +7
        Quote: mazhnikof.Niko
        The structure has not degenerated. It was originally created as the "bedding" of the WEST!

        Initially, it still had a certain parity - NATO, the Warsaw Pact and non-aligned. But what we are doing in this organization now I do not know. She has no other tasks than to kick Russia, and she is quite successful in this. But it’s time for us to finish doing masochism, and for our money, and send them ... to get a job.
        1. GUKTU92
          GUKTU92 23 September 2014 21: 47
          +4
          The OSCE is there for only one purpose ... To record violations of the truce by the militia. This is the mission of this "mission". No one in the West needs truth, because truth breaks all schemes, patterns and stereotypes. And the West is not used to living differently and does not want to. They fought for a long time and with high quality ...
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    3. Velikoruss
      Velikoruss 22 September 2014 10: 08
      +10
      Question. The fact that the OSCE serves the interests of the West is a no brainer. But why is Permanent Representative to the UN Churkin silent about this? Whose interests are served by those who have not yet given him the command to publish from the UN rostrum the results of the "truce" and the ballistic delivery of "humanitarian aid" to Kiev?
      1. Zeron
        Zeron 22 September 2014 10: 48
        +13
        He always talks, but they don’t listen to him.
    4. papas-57
      papas-57 22 September 2014 19: 48
      +3
      `` It is a great regret that the structure designed to find peaceful solutions to the (OSCE) has degenerated into an elementary bedding of the West. '' And when was she different? She did not degenerate, but was born that way.
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    6. Sergey-8848
      Sergey-8848 22 September 2014 19: 55
      +5
      Grandfather, grandfather, I joined the OSCE!
      Forever you, grandson, will enter somewhere. Now in the OSCE, now in the pioneers, then ... somewhere else.
      Conclusion - we went to hell with all the invented offices. First, most of them are harmful to us, at best, harmless or of little use. Secondly, we feed a horde of some woodpeckers, who are also sucking us.
      Thirdly, we feed a lot of our members of various international committees and commissions (and these our zealots in all organizations are not at all embarrassed about their salaries).
      1. Vita_vko
        Vita_vko 22 September 2014 22: 28
        +4
        When the Kiev junta in July went all armada to Donetsk and Lugansk, when Strelkov was forced to leave Slavyansk about any peace talks and the main European terrorist Parashenko did not even want to talk.
        And now, when the junta has exhausted the human and material resources, when 2/3 of the punishers with weapons and equipment have been destroyed or taken prisoner, peace negotiators have suddenly activated. And this is at a time when the territory of New Russia is on the verge of liberation! It cannot be called otherwise than betrayal.
        This is how much cynical politicians in Russia, the DPR and LPR need to be in order to try to find a compromise with the fascist-oligarchic regime of CIA proteges, terrorizing the whole of Europe. After all, the generation of WWII participants who remember the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and its catastrophic consequences for Russia has not yet gone. Now we are at the stage of concluding the Kuchma-Zurabov pact on the consequences of which it is difficult to even imagine.
        I don’t understand how it is possible to come to an agreement with war criminals who committed genocide in the Southeast, who like real terrorists pursuing any dissent differing from their Russophobic.
        1. Erg
          Erg 23 September 2014 08: 10
          +2
          I completely agree. What is a truce? Would any kind of life be possible in the region? If shelling is not excluded at any time. What are they negotiating with and with whom? Kuchma ... Who is he at all. All these graters are just a screen. Everyone needs time ...
      2. Gemini
        Gemini 24 September 2014 16: 15
        0
        you in vain ran into the pioneers ....
    7. Fast
      Fast 23 September 2014 02: 57
      +1
      All international organizations, including the Nobel Committee, have degenerated, from everywhere it is necessary to blame them and give a damn with wild scandal and claims after the turmoil in Ukraine, it would be decided there more humanly and something new to create. All these gatherings of liars and d-v bought with offal can easily lead the whole world under the monastery.
    8. bda
      bda 23 September 2014 17: 16
      0
      It is extremely regrettable that the structure designed to find peaceful ways of settlement (OSCE) has degenerated into an elementary litter of the West. There is no one to talk to, and nothing

      Well, why did we invite her, and even as an "arbitrator"?
      What, it was impossible to form something similar in the SCO perimeter?
      And then, as a tradition, this is the following: the conflict in Kiev (February of this year) - “mediators” come - the Gay Europeans represented by the ministers of the leading countries and ... “they let the representative of Russia, Yabloko Lukin, stand at the door”!
      / it's still good that the now dead Novodvorskaya was not sent - also a "human rights specialist"! /
    9. Pula
      Pula 24 September 2014 11: 23
      0
      Who pays, he orders the press releases of the OSCE ... hi
  2. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 22 September 2014 08: 38
    +9
    The OSCE, as usual, serves the interests of the employer - the EU. While the EU is turning a blind eye to what is happening, and the OSCE does not see, does not hear anything.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 22 September 2014 08: 43
      +14
      OSCE, it is the OSCE!
  3. zao74
    zao74 22 September 2014 08: 40
    +8
    We read OSCE reports and find in them the following:


    OSCE observers assess the situation in eastern Ukraine as calm. There is a partial restoration of the normal operation of infrastructure facilities.


    Ballistic missiles bursting in a city in which hundreds of thousands of inhabitants remain - is this a calm situation ?!
    Who pays money to that girl and dances ...
  4. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 22 September 2014 08: 44
    +8
    So we must set the goal of Russia how to destroy these OSCE UN organizations to the foundation and replace them with just organizations
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 22 September 2014 08: 52
      +3
      I completely agree that these organizations have outlived themselves and only serve the interests of a handful of Western governance structures.
    2. mazhnikof.Niko
      mazhnikof.Niko 22 September 2014 09: 05
      +6
      Quote: VICTOR-61
      So we must set the goal of Russia how to destroy these OSCE UN organizations to the foundation and replace them with just organizations


      At one time, they destroyed the "League of Nations" and replaced it with a more "fair" UN. Well, first of all, for this it was necessary for the USSR to come out of the Second World War as a WINNER. Secondly, mankind cannot FORGET what is NAZISM AND racism with fascism. Now both "destroy" and "replace" will be very PROBLEMATIC - for many reasons!
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      2. 97110
        97110 22 September 2014 12: 17
        +1
        Quote: mazhnikof.Niko
        Now both "destroy" and "replace" will be very PROBLEMATIC - for many reasons!

        And nobody talks about "now". Everyone understands that without a big fight (God forbid, without AO) nothing will change.
        1. Gemini
          Gemini 24 September 2014 16: 18
          0
          When people often talk about war, it usually comes ... sometimes the truth is without talking too ...
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    4. Velikoruss
      Velikoruss 22 September 2014 10: 20
      +4
      Stupidity say, dear. The UN and the OSCE, for all their venality, are tribunes from which Russia can still convey its position to the world and expose its opponents, but does not do this with incomprehensible regularity. And all you need to say and show there TRUTH. Russia's best ally is the western man in the street, but only when he learns the truth about the events in Novorossiya. While the Russian leadership has been flirting with the "elites" of Ukraine for the past 23 years, the West has been brainwashing and agitating the Ukrainian man in the street, who then enthusiastically supported Tymoshenko and Yushchenko on the Maidan.
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      2. 97110
        97110 22 September 2014 12: 30
        +1
        Quote: Velikorus
        And you just have to say something and show the truth there. The best ally of Russia is the western man in the street,

        And how many of this "best ally" is sitting near the podium and listening to "TRUTH"? Between him and the podium is the media, which will filter, squeeze out and add "the dye, identical to natural". There is no need to talk about the opportunity to "convey to the world" and "While the Russian leadership has been flirting for the last 23 years ..." I agree that the tribune. But not more.
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 22 September 2014 16: 28
          +6
          an ordinary western inhabitant - 100% on the drum everything that is connected with the so-called. "foreign policy" and "international relations". And our interest in these areas of social science remains only because the Soviet education system has not yet been completely destroyed - which, as it could, but tried to educate "a comprehensively educated human personality." And Western education systems form only "office plankton" and downs.
      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev 22 September 2014 23: 35
        +3
        Quote: Velikorus
        Stupidity say, dear.

        It seems that some were struck not only by stupidity but also by deaf-deafness ...
        This is Churkin who is silent at the UN! laughing
        Yes, Samantha rushed to fight at him at the UN.
        Confidently exposes, but to the Western media and the public (the layman) at least s ... in the eye, will say God's dew ...
        And do not make Svidomo scum the innocent victims of Western propaganda.
        Many of the wide ones themselves can give many points forward to any Western propagandist. And they have always been, and have arisen in the last 23 years, but they were not so vehement in the Soviet era, they were afraid before the deadline.
        I would take it myself, such a wise guy, at least one propagandized.
        It will not work, because the well-fed belly of Banderlog is deaf to the teaching, but after full ... in the economy, propaganda may work.
    5. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 22 September 2014 10: 22
      +1
      maybe a specific person in a particular place is not doing it. sharazhka how good it was thought
  5. sergey261180
    sergey261180 22 September 2014 08: 48
    +7
    The purpose of all this truce with truces is to create a zone like Chechnya or the Gaza Strip, in simple terms - assholes for the population in which it is not possible to live. And then in a couple of years all Russians will leave from there and the territory is free for settlement by other people. And Russia will support the refugees.
    1. mazhnikof.Niko
      mazhnikof.Niko 22 September 2014 09: 31
      +9
      Quote: sergey261180
      And then in a couple of years all Russians will leave from there and the territory is free for settlement by other people. And Russia will support the refugees.


      Let me disagree. What does "CONTAIN" mean ?! In the Luhansk region and DONBAS there are many YOUNG HIGHLY QUALIFIED and EDUCATED people. We have only "KREAKLOV" and "OFFICE PLANKTON" to the fig, and carrying out (as planned) modernization and the second industrialization, we need ENGINEERS, qualified and educated workers. They give birth to children (look what their families are) and WANT TO WORK. And who will CONTAIN whom, will there still be? So let's choose expressions! If refugees come from there, they are Russians, and not the worst, not headless, and not armless.
      1. sergey261180
        sergey261180 22 September 2014 09: 51
        +9
        Here we have placed refugees, so they are paid 800 rubles a day, a total of 24000 p. per month. At the factory, hard workers for 10000 p. plow a month. And these refugees were called three times during the night by cops - they thump, life was a success! They arrange a job, only at the same time local ones are fired. In this way, local people at the time themselves are registered as refugees. In general, what the hell of men here contain? Machine in hand and go fight for the Donbass!
        1. 97110
          97110 22 September 2014 12: 38
          +1
          Quote: sergey261180
          Here we have placed refugees, so they are paid 800 rubles a day, a total of 24000 p. per month
          So 24 rubles a day on hand? Or is 000 rubles a day provided for their maintenance, including housing and food? I also have a protest about "life is good", but "they are paid a day" - no need to mislead. People have lost everything all the same.
          1. neznayka
            neznayka 22 September 2014 14: 15
            +3
            Yes, people have lost a lot of things, but this is not a reason to download. And they are outraged that their 3 families settled in a three-room apartment, they didn’t see a psychologist, they need to go to the doctors on common facilities, they offer work with a low pay, etc., well, no respect. First of all, Russia gave them a chance to live on, and every day they should thank God and someone else for this chance, and not shout at every corner that they are destitute and therefore they should all around them. Sincerely.
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            2. 97110
              97110 22 September 2014 17: 14
              +1
              Quote: neznayka
              Yes, people have lost a lot of things, but this is not a reason to download.
              These are the guys from Donbass. If there were Belarusians, then yes (IMHO). But these can not be otherwise. It is also not the ultimate truth, but it is a little familiar with the Donbass population - its (or there is a reason) they will tear it out of the throat.
      2. Gemini
        Gemini 24 September 2014 16: 24
        0
        I have refugees in my arms, dofig children are exactly like Uzbek workers are better, and I treat both of them evenly, and the head of the family calls them chocks, although they will give him a head start of 100 points. So I will say nothing about high-class specialists . Again I had their engineer Kherson-young-which of them are engineers ...
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  6. parusnik
    parusnik 22 September 2014 08: 49
    +5
    But it is necessary for the OSCE, to tell the truth ... if all of Europe is on a crusade .. Drang nach Osten
  7. MIV999
    MIV999 22 September 2014 08: 52
    +3
    Unfortunately, we must admit that the current international mission of OBSE in the South-East is practically useless and if it pursues some goals, then only goals are very far from the words "independence", "peace", "impartiality" ...
    What kind of impartiality of this mission can we say, if, judging by the final reports, OBSE clearly looks at the horror that is happening in Novorossia not even through the notorious "pink" ones, but through zhovto-blakit "glasses" ?!
    The blood of Donbass is on you, gentlemen ... BLOOD !!!
    1. thinker
      thinker 22 September 2014 12: 11
      0
      I completely agree with you, but let me fix it - OSCE (English OSCE, Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, fr. Organization pour la sécurité et la coopération en Europe). hi
  8. Thompson
    Thompson 22 September 2014 09: 00
    +5
    Quote: yan
    It is extremely regrettable that the structure designed to find peaceful ways of settlement (OSCE) has degenerated into an elementary litter of the West. There is no one to talk to, and nothing

    What else to expect from a structure born in the west? Whatever they are called, all that they create pursues only one goal - to protect and defend THEIR interests and aspirations!
  9. Bear13
    Bear13 22 September 2014 09: 01
    +6
    All international organizations that have the letter "E" in their abbreviation will always present events in a way favorable to "E".
    1. INFOLegioner
      INFOLegioner 22 September 2014 10: 44
      +2
      and if we consider that the whole "E" has long been under "C", then we get a full "P" ...
  10. Lyton
    Lyton 22 September 2014 09: 03
    +1
    Interestingly, if the representatives of this organization were then shot, then their comrades would probably say that it was the militias who decided them, probably there is no command to open their mouths for them, why are we not surprised?
  11. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 22 September 2014 09: 04
    +2
    from the Don.
    All geyropeyskie organizations-profanity. Drive them filthy broom from where we and our interests!
  12. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 22 September 2014 09: 04
    +2
    What kind of truthful coverage by the OSCE of the outrages perpetrated by the national guards in the Donbass can we talk about, because from the moment of its creation this international (read pro-American) organization set itself the goal of destroying the USSR! And it is very rightly said that “you don’t need to be a complete idiot to believe everything that happens,” but an operation is taking place to save the fascist regime in Kiev!
  13. lovimoment
    lovimoment 22 September 2014 09: 14
    +7
    In my opinion, it is already clear to all that certain forces rule the world. And this is not NATO and not sash. Those are also stupid and mowing. And in order to confront these forces of GDP and is trying to stir up all these shocks briks and the like. But will they let him turn around? After all, independent Russia is an example for the whole world.
    1. captain
      captain 22 September 2014 09: 35
      +1
      I think that you are right, if our citizens represented by Gref, Kostin, Mordashev and Chubais can afford to sign documents on behalf of Russia, then Byshevets is right.
  14. soyuz-nik
    soyuz-nik 22 September 2014 10: 29
    +1
    The power of the people is democracy.
    The power of the crowd is ochlocracy.
    Project "Ukraine" (Maidan) - h.h.kh.l.o.k.r.a.t.i. laughing
    1. Skif
      Skif 23 September 2014 01: 12
      +2
      Here I am - hohl ... Kick and fuck, but I am Ukrainian, here the people are not to blame for this moronity, and on the Maidan mostly benders were paid. Yes, do not forget to spit on the grave of my grandfather, the whole war of the past, come on, go through the teeth, from Kazakhstan, probably know better
  15. shishakova
    shishakova 22 September 2014 10: 44
    +2
    Thanks to the author!
    And why the junta did not think of the fact that Russia brought humanitarian aid, and the Russian troops fired at it stupidly :)
  16. gennadii
    gennadii 22 September 2014 10: 58
    +1
    Quote: Velikorus
    Question. The fact that the OSCE serves the interests of the West is a no brainer. But why is Permanent Representative to the UN Churkin silent about this? Whose interests are served by those who have not yet given him the command to publish from the UN rostrum the results of the "truce" and the ballistic delivery of "humanitarian aid" to Kiev?

    Yes, Churkin is not silent, the problem is that the UN is a fiction, if the organization worked before, now it is only pretending, and it is specifically under the pressure.
  17. Epifan
    Epifan 22 September 2014 11: 03
    0
    The League of Nations, the UN, the OSCE and other offices, all this is one gang. By the way, did the Americans even pay contributions to the UN? Or do they consider the organization theirs and don’t pay their own anywhere.
  18. Anper
    Anper 22 September 2014 11: 14
    +3
    From Ukraine.
    As far as I understand, Akhmetov is preparing to become the sole owner of the Donbass - he doesn’t own any of the objects fired by the missiles. Like all the others located in Donetsk, even high-rise hotels in the city center are quite well. By the way, Donetsk Akhmetov airport was rebuilt for Euros - 2012. Maybe that’s why there is such a strange situation - it’s strange somehow the artillery fires him, they beat him for 2 months, and only glass and some damage on the runway are knocked out. Like Donbass - the arena, only one small fireman.
    Z.Y. And again, all this crap on a Christian holiday. And why is there no information about the composition and distribution of the cloud that formed after the explosion at a chemical plant? After all, this should be a major environmental disaster - the exploded and burning chemicals within the city of a million? And no information about the people who were there, even on the weekend.
  19. andrew42
    andrew42 22 September 2014 12: 06
    +4
    After firing rockets, the militia had to open massive fire on all sectors of the front. Especially for the groupings in the boilers. There must be a dignified reaction to all these "conciliatory" shelling. The more inadequate the answer, the more it will enlighten the Junta's inadequacies. After the shelling, it was necessary to immediately declare the denunciation of any signed agreements. In the absence of a tough response, the Nazis will only become more impudent.
  20. Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 22 September 2014 12: 57
    +6
    In the light of the events that have taken place, I don’t understand very much for a long time: why do we have Ambassador Zurabov in Kiev? Is he a cool diplomat? what kind of special is this shown by his occupation of the post of Minister of Health of Russia. so far our health cannot come to our senses sad .that we have no promising people in the reserve of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? I do not believe!!! what You know, but lately I have less and less desire to discuss something at ALL forums, because again, in my opinion, our authorities that hold a deep shit on our opinion! Type all. sorry modders are good and evil, but apart from obscene language I have nothing left ... request
  21. Den_den
    Den_den 22 September 2014 14: 35
    0
    Everyone is good, everyone is fighting, they are killing. And such articles about the exposure of the privates, this is just a glance of one side of the conflict. Such points of view on the situation cannot be completely trusted; each interested party has reasons to lie.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 22 September 2014 16: 44
      0
      Even if the militias and the Russian media (we do not take Rain and Echo - these media can be safely considered anti-Russian) are also lying (or broadcasting not the whole truth), then the percentage of lies on our part is nothing to compare with 99% of lies are coming out of the media and their Western "curators"
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 23 September 2014 10: 32
        0
        Quote: OldWiser
        then the percentage of lies on our part is nothing to compare with 99% of lies of ukro-media

        they even "honestly" lie.
        And everyone knows that they lie. And they themselves know that they are lying.
        The militia began to lie recently. And the methods are very similar to Ukrainian media. The percentage is unimportant (and judging by the reports, it can also go through the roof with 17 strongholds)
        the fact itself is important .. it’s already impossible to say that the militia is honest ..
        Quote: Den_Den
        Everyone is good, everyone is fighting, they are killing. And such articles about the exposure of the Ukrainian military, this is just a look at one side of the conflict. Such points of view on the situation cannot be completely trusted; each interested party has reasons to lie.

        brief and good description.
  22. nika08
    nika08 22 September 2014 14: 49
    +2
    All the regulatory authorities created by the West exist only to act on the orders of the Americans. In fact, they are funded by the same Americans.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 22 September 2014 16: 40
      +1
      Financing of international organizations is a contribution of all states - their participants. But contributions are a separate issue. Therefore, to the second statement
      Quote: nika08
      funded by the same americans
      need a remark "basically"This concerns the UN, UNESCO, ICRC and others. The OSCE is more of a European structure, therefore the main payers in it are Germany and France. It would not hurt our government to think about the amount of the" RF contribution "to the budgets of these" international "organizations, so moreover, that "the advantages of the Russian Federation from membership in them are doubtful, and the losses are obvious."
  23. crasever
    crasever 22 September 2014 16: 09
    +2
    Friends, type in the search engine "Dedicated to the memory of fallen soldiers ..." If anyone succeeds, place ... Glory to the Russian Soldiers who gave their lives for their people, Glory to Russia !!!
  24. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 22 September 2014 16: 35
    +1
    Zurabov should not be entrusted with the management of even a doghouse, and Putin sent him to Ukraine. Therefore, the failure of Russia's policy on Ukraine is the work of Putin.
  25. Ronino
    Ronino 22 September 2014 16: 43
    +2
    Any organization from Europe will be blind and deaf.
    However, like most organizations from the UN.
    There is a systemic crisis of international organizations caused by an attempt to dominate one pseudo-power.
    Unfortunately, nothing will change in the near future.
  26. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 22 September 2014 16: 47
    +2
    Hello! Damn! The junta is doing what it wants! The UN and the OSCE have been sold to the Natyuk! These organizations are generally for what! There is no sense in silencing and delaying them! They have long outlived themselves! yes
  27. Belarus
    Belarus 22 September 2014 16: 53
    +2
    The OSCE sees only what it wants to see and that’s all. In my opinion, they have two protocols, just like a student has two diaries - for good and bad grades.
    Now about the negotiators:

    Kuchma - a pensioner from whom bribes are smooth
    Zurabov - dismissed with scandal from the post of Minister of Health of the Russian Federation for nepotism.
    Zakharchenko is a military man, there is no experience in political work and negotiations (unfortunately)
    The head of the Lugansk People's Republic is also a military man and does not have such experience in negotiations.
    Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine dissolved (a new one will come and everything can be canceled)
    Who spoke and on whose behalf personally it is not clear to me.

    Question: who will guarantee compliance with everything signed in Minsk in 7 days, in 6 months or 1 year?
    And who will guarantee that the war will not continue?
    The OSCE is an organization controlled by amers in which the Russian Federation is already screaming about violations of everything that can be done in the Donbas by the Kiev authorities and no one hears it.
  28. Horn
    Horn 22 September 2014 17: 37
    +2
    I won’t be surprised if some OSCE experts are targeting ukrov.
  29. smith7
    smith7 22 September 2014 20: 41
    +1
    For international organizations such as the OSCE, NATO, the UN, all sorts of things with the prefix EURO, the Russian world, in its global meaning, is a bone in the throat and a mental threshold that they cannot understand / cross due to cultural and ethnic differences. We are not so different with representatives of Western civilization, but the differences are still large-scale. First of all, in the conceptual apparatus of good and evil. The confrontation lasts for millennia! But the primitive things "Thou shalt not kill", "Thou shalt not steal", "Thou shalt not commit adultery" are the same in all cultures and religions (except for Judaism, where everything is only "for God's chosen people"). This cannot be confused with anything! It is possible to expect objectivity from the OSCE in assessing the Novorossiya-Ukraine confrontation, but it is difficult. There is still a chance, I hope. Indeed, lately Europeans are increasingly speaking out against the terror of the Kiev troops in the southeast, which made a democratic choice in a referendum.
    1. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 22 September 2014 21: 30
      0
      Dmitry, everything seems to be accurately noted, but the most important thing is that NATO in its own interests will simply "crush" the OSCE. It was so in Yugoslavia. And the EU is generally under the US ... IMHO!
  30. Selevc
    Selevc 22 September 2014 21: 58
    +1
    Every explosion, every shot in the Donbass is the destruction of old Ukraine !!! It is actually already destroyed and torn - because the main foundations of the country are undermined !!! The main foundation on which Ukraine stood was collegiality - that is, collecting different lands ... DIFFERENT - historically, mentally, culturally, ethnically ...

    An attempt by the West to trim all Ukrainians under one Euro-pattern will lead to the collapse of this country ... Maybe tomorrow, maybe a year, maybe 10 years later, it’s not as important as the fact that Ukraine clearly turned off its traditional path of development and is heading for then into the abyss ...
  31. Gato
    Gato 22 September 2014 22: 22
    0
    Gee. You need to be a complete idiot to believe ...
    Or saints.
    Personally, I’m definitely not a saint, although I hope that it’s not a-d-and-o-t. Therefore, I prefer to allow probabilities.
    Are the Ukrainian media lying? They lie, the percentage of lies is about 90%. The Felkischer Beobachter admitted exactly the same percentage.
    Do the Russian media lie? They lie, of course, but at the level of the Sovinformburo. Less than 90%, but if anyone bothers to find reports for 1941-1942. and arithmetically add the declared losses of the Wehrmacht, will experience ... uh easy dissonance.
    Therefore (I repeat) you need to be a complete idiot to believe ...
    Or saints.
  32. korjik
    korjik 22 September 2014 22: 47
    +1
    Of course, believing the Western "partners" and their media is idiocy. But even more idiocy was joining all sorts of WTO, OSCE, G3.14s, XNUMXs and other crap. Do you need technology? Learn from China! Without bothering XNUMX.z.di.t all technologies and the above mentioned offices are on the drum. The next time I ask myself the question, what the hell is Russia "green", and more and more often the thought comes to mind that the currency is needed not for Russia, but for its sales elite. Sales power including!
  33. Commissar of the NKVD
    Commissar of the NKVD 22 September 2014 23: 16
    +1
    I’m just getting angry about the thought of how the screech would rise from the same observers, if the militia did not give a damn about the ceasefire and, for example, began an assault on Mariupol, at the same time gouging a couple more terbats in the boilers !!! Un fed pigs would die of envy!
  34. Arkan
    Arkan 23 September 2014 07: 01
    +1
    Observation mission, just watch the killings, and the paper, it will endure.
  35. jekasimf
    jekasimf 23 September 2014 08: 57
    +1
    Watch your hands: The US ceasefire does not suit. Geletey announces Russia's plans to launch a tactical nuclear strike on Ukraine. Immediately after that, a factory with a huge amount of ammonite in the warehouse explodes. Well, yes. We screwed up again. We did not calculate that the explosion would be of the wrong power. subsequent fire and will not ride like "vigorous" ..
  36. Signature
    Signature 23 September 2014 09: 15
    +1
    But I think that in one prominent Soviet football player and still insightful person Anatoly Byshovets is frankly wrong - in the use of the subjunctive mood.
    That is, to listen to him - and you need to look for such idiots for a long time, but who then (excuse me) listens to ukROSMI for millions, sitting in front of the so-called zomboyaschikami?
  37. Alfizik
    Alfizik 23 September 2014 12: 40
    0
    And how do OSCE missionaries record violations? Why not raise the question of the need for joint reporting with militias? In this case, they will not get out, not keep silent.
  38. Old warrior
    Old warrior 23 September 2014 15: 30
    -1
    Figuratively speaking - as long as we do not wrap dill on the caterpillars, nothing good will come of it, this nation is seriously ill and perhaps hopeless ...
    And once I loved Ukraine with its arrogant girls, singing language and separate writing ... I loved ... to Odessa ...
  39. rumiigo
    rumiigo 23 September 2014 16: 49
    0
    These clients of psychiatric clinics are so sick that it already begins to seem: it’s not them, but we are out of our mind!
  40. brdnxela
    brdnxela 24 September 2014 13: 04
    0
    There is nothing to be surprised at. We need to put in place all this rubbish. And put it hard if not cruel.
  41. Militia
    Militia 24 September 2014 17: 14
    0
    This OSCE is the same handmade lap-dog in the USA as the whole EU. Yes, and the UN too. When the leash is pulled, it will yelp there. So on their account it is not necessary to deceive. Sense from them, like milk from a goat.
  42. Deadmen
    Deadmen 24 September 2014 21: 32
    0
    The OSCE understands everything and sees if this is in the hands of the United States. Who needs them. Their reports are a reminder of the use of the toilet.
  43. efimich41
    efimich41 24 September 2014 22: 11
    0
    But why and who needs this truce at all?
  44. OlegLex
    OlegLex 29 September 2014 14: 06
    0
    And what does the OSCE have to do with it, what will they say and declare to you, I wonder at you if you really want objectivity from the pro-American organization?