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How not to lose Siberia and the Far East

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I would like to discuss a very serious topic. I do not claim the laurels of the great whaler, but I do not like many processes that do not occur clearly, but deeply, under the ice.

On the one hand, Russia and China seem to be allies against the USA and NATO to this day. It seems like gas contracts are signed, we handle and smile at each other. On the other hand, let's not forget that our Siberia and the Far East are poorly populated, and the outflow of Russians from there to the central part of the country is only increasing.

China is overpopulated, some are unemployed there, according to various sources, of the order of 300000000 people. It is more than two Chinese for every Russian, from young to old.

There is evidence that birth control in China leads to the fact that parents try to leave the boys, and these boys, as the only children in the family, indulge in parenting. Then these boys will grow up, believing that “the whole world is for them,” and they will have to put themselves somewhere. In overpopulated China with its huge internal competition, this is extremely problematic. But across the border - sparsely populated Russian Far East and Siberia.

I am not talking about the military annexation of the Far East and Siberia by China. Still, Russia is a nuclear power, and the Chinese are too smart for such obvious aggression. In fact, since the beginning of 90's. there is a gradual, step by step colonization of Russia, "on the sly."

The Chinese come to Russia and remain here. Receive Russian passports, bring their relatives. Many Chinese marry Russian women. And this is a fact. The woman’s reason is this: Chinese men do not drink, they work hard and bring money to the house.

Given the decline in the Russian population of the Far East and Siberia and the profits of the Chinese population, in the very near future, the Chinese will become the ethnic majority in these territories.

Yes, they will have Russian passports, their children will speak excellent Russian, having studied in Russian schools, but they will be Chinese. Ethnic Chinese will elect to local parliaments and as heads of cities of their own ethnic Chinese. They will open in parallel with the Russian Chinese schools. And after some time, the issue of recognition of Chinese as the second state language, or at least a regional language, will probably be raised.

Doesn't this remind you of anything?

If they are refused, and local activists hold a referendum on state independence of the Siberian and Far Eastern Republics? Do you think ethnic Chinese will vote in such a referendum? And if, God forbid, there are madmen in the Russian power or near it who want to pacify the Far East and Siberia and send an army or some volunteer detachments from Russian nationalists there, then we can get the same thing in the east of Ukraine .

Surely there is Colonel Wang Yu Shin, who organizes the Siberian militia ...

I myself am sick of writing it! Minimize as you like, but this is not such an incredible option.

But I don’t even doubt that, with a similar situation, the PRC will hesitate: should the PLA be introduced to protect ethnic Chinese? .. I have no doubt that if the PLA enters the territory of the Far East and Siberia under such a pretext, they will never leave there ever . For Russia, these lands will be lost forever.

I have read the statements of some skeptics who argue that China does not lay claim to the territories of the Far East and Siberia. I heard the point of view that the territorial disputes between Russia and China were resolved by transferring the disputed lands to China.

Why, I just don’t think that giving them to China was the right decision. There is such a method of breaking the consciousness by “small concessions”. The Chinese during the Korean War so reworked American prisoners of war. It was a long-term job. They asked the prisoners during friendly conversations to perform some simple service. The prisoners carried them out because they did not think that they were doing something seditious. Then there was another service, then a third, more serious.

The person who has stepped on this path has no way back. In the end, it all ended with the fact that American prisoners of war, as a result of lengthy psychological treatment, began to fiercely hate their own country. The worst thing is that this effect did not disappear even after the return of prisoners to their homeland.

The method of “small concessions” is a terrible thing according to the results to which it ultimately leads.

I am afraid that this technique has long been applied to Russia. Having given China part of its territory, our country embarked on this path. We must get off him before it is too late.

Is it possible to prevent this scenario? Probably there.

This is a complex, long-term, painstaking work on the development of the region of the Far East and Siberia. It is necessary to carefully consider the migration policy of the Russian Federation. It is necessary to strengthen the Far East militarily. It must be remembered that, in addition to China, we have a dangerous neighbor, Japan, which has begun to militarize actively. And with Japan, in particular, the issue of the Kuril Islands has not yet been resolved.

How not to lose Siberia and the Far EastWe need a fortified border with the People's Republic of China, we need military bases, we need exercises (conducted, and very well). We need economic cooperation with China and the same Japan. That's just not necessary with joy to fall into the arms of China, selling him all the resources at the root, they say, the Chinese will do everything well. The Chinese will dig up the resources, they will bring it to themselves, and they will recycle it, for the benefit of their economy.

I believe that if we ourselves sell resources, then the condition of the concession is to do deep processing of raw materials in our country, in the Far East and from Siberia, for example, in the format of joint ventures. It will also provide jobs for Russians living in the Far East and Siberia, will give taxes to local budgets, the construction of large industrial clusters will lead to a pronounced growth of our eastern regions and an increase in their standard of living.

Probably, not only the outflow of the population will stop, but the influx from the central part of the country will also increase.

Again, in cooperation with China, a balance is needed. Do not "go to bed" under China. Need a system of checks and balances.

Bringing foreign business to Siberia and the Far East, it is likely that certain proportions of their representation must be observed. Conventionally: 40% is China, the rest 60% is Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, India. It is probably worth attracting German, Italian, French business. It is very important not to depend on "partners" as we are so far dependent on Ukraine in military-technical cooperation.

This article - reflections on the topic. I hope that responsible people foresee all threats, explicit and implicit, and conduct preventive work. It is better to “interfere” than “not to be upset”, and then cry bitterly.
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  1. Fast
    Fast 22 September 2014 11: 11
    +8
    What is the conversation, neighbors have already sent the army, learned the lesson at "5". Questions like these create a ferment of minds.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 22 September 2014 11: 16
      +19
      We have an expert on this issue, Alexander Romanov, he can always give an operational calculation on Vladivostok.

      Refugees from Ukraine are no longer overpowered by Khabarovsk. Have you met such headlines? And I met similar ones ..
      1. Stypor23
        Stypor23 22 September 2014 11: 26
        +11
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        We have an expert on this issue, Alexander Romanov, he can always give an operational calculation on Vladivostok.

        Well, of course. I read these reports and I think how in Vladik there is no influx of Chinese, and in Krasnoyarsk they don’t care. All the suburbs were clogged with their greenhouses, and the year before the regional administration decided to give battle to the colonialists.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 September 2014 11: 32
          +22
          Quote: Stypor23
          Well, of course. I read him these reports and think how it is in Vladik that there is no influx of Chinese, and in Krasnoyarsk their dofigisa.

          Yes, so that's it! Yes, and even more, - Most of those who are not hanging out here at all, but North Koreans, Vietnamese and even hell knows who. There are really few Chinese here. As the casinos were closed, so some shuttles remained and there are now much fewer.
          1. Stypor23
            Stypor23 22 September 2014 11: 41
            -15
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Stypor23
            Well, of course. I read him these reports and think how it is in Vladik that there is no influx of Chinese, and in Krasnoyarsk their dofigisa.

            Yes, so that's it! Yes, and even more, - Most of those who are not hanging out here at all, but North Koreans, Vietnamese and even hell knows who. There are really few Chinese here. As the casinos were closed, so some shuttles remained and there are now much fewer.

            The thought doesn’t leave me that the Chinese are paying you extra money. Why are you protecting this?
            1. Nevsky_ZU
              Nevsky_ZU 22 September 2014 11: 45
              +4
              Quote: Stypor23
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Stypor23
              Well, of course. I read him these reports and think how it is in Vladik that there is no influx of Chinese, and in Krasnoyarsk their dofigisa.

              Yes, so that's it! Yes, and even more, - Most of those who are not hanging out here at all, but North Koreans, Vietnamese and even hell knows who. There are really few Chinese here. As the casinos were closed, so some shuttles remained and there are now much fewer.

              The thought doesn’t leave me that the Chinese are paying you extra money. Why are you protecting this?


              Your "fears" that the Far East is occupied by the Chinese are as naive as the idea that in Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Nikolaev, militias will be waiting with flowers. Kharkov is an exception. As well as the exception of the situation in Krasnoyarsk, if you refer to your observations.
              1. Stypor23
                Stypor23 22 September 2014 11: 52
                +2
                Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                Quote: Stypor23
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: Stypor23
                Well, of course. I read him these reports and think how it is in Vladik that there is no influx of Chinese, and in Krasnoyarsk their dofigisa.

                Yes, so that's it! Yes, and even more, - Most of those who are not hanging out here at all, but North Koreans, Vietnamese and even hell knows who. There are really few Chinese here. As the casinos were closed, so some shuttles remained and there are now much fewer.

                The thought doesn’t leave me that the Chinese are paying you extra money. Why are you protecting this?


                Your "fears" that the Far East is occupied by the Chinese are as naive as the idea that they will be waiting with flowers in Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Nikolaev. Kharkov is an exception. As well as the exception, the situation in Krasnoyarsk.

                Yes, the Chinese will eventually go all the way to the Urals. We have a building in front of the BKZ, 20 for years was unnecessary for anyone, Asians have taken it and brought it to mind. So will all the territories of interest, and there will be a population of China 5 of billions of people. belay
                1. Nevsky_ZU
                  Nevsky_ZU 22 September 2014 11: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: Stypor23
                  Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                  Quote: Stypor23
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Quote: Stypor23
                  Well, of course. I read him these reports and think how it is in Vladik that there is no influx of Chinese, and in Krasnoyarsk their dofigisa.

                  Yes, so that's it! Yes, and even more, - Most of those who are not hanging out here at all, but North Koreans, Vietnamese and even hell knows who. There are really few Chinese here. As the casinos were closed, so some shuttles remained and there are now much fewer.

                  The thought doesn’t leave me that the Chinese are paying you extra money. Why are you protecting this?


                  Your "fears" that the Far East is occupied by the Chinese are as naive as the idea that they will be waiting with flowers in Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Nikolaev. Kharkov is an exception. As well as the exception, the situation in Krasnoyarsk.

                  Yes, the Chinese will eventually go all the way to the Urals. We have a building in front of the BKZ, 20 for years was unnecessary for anyone, Asians have taken it and brought it to mind. So will all the territories of interest, and there will be a population of China 5 of billions of people. belay


                  5 BILLION? In what century? Hmm, I would meet you in the year so 1918 ... I would have painted a worse picture. Not everyone can watch you tomorrow, or rather, everyone can watch, but not everyone can wink
                  1. Stypor23
                    Stypor23 22 September 2014 12: 11
                    +4
                    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                    .It would be a worse picture to draw.

                    Duck is always the worst to wait. By the middle of the next century, you look at them and there will be so much.
                    1. CALL.
                      CALL. 22 September 2014 13: 29
                      +17
                      Given the decline in the Russian population of the Far East and Siberia and the profits of the Chinese population, in the very near future, the Chinese will become the ethnic majority in these territories.

                      I myself am from the Far East, moreover, due to my work debt, I visit China, I have acquaintances Chinese and I observe this problem up close. Here it is necessary to state one immutable truth - NATURE DOESN'T END EMPTY. It is like the law of communicating vessels. The fact that the Far East is emptying is not a problem for the Chinese, it is a problem for Russia and its government. The demographic pogrom staged by the liberals in the 90s hit the Far East as well. And we will solve it together. For my part, I make my own efforts to solve it. My daughter, a clever girl, a gold medalist, a red diploma from a university, and her husband were seriously going to Canada, applied for. It's good that their specialties were not required. Yes, and I did not mind. And now I am trying to persuade them to stay, because there is a prospect for the development of Siberia and the Far East. For several years a lot of money has been invested in Vladivostok and continues to be invested. And her friends began to return. And I began to push the idea to her - "Where I was born, I came in handy there." Now I have entered graduate school and it seems that she no longer remembers Canada. And as for the Chinese, I will say this - they are hardworking, behave quietly, do not become impudent, treat Russians well, and hate America. After all, all major cities in Europe and America have their own Chinatowns.
                      1. aksakal
                        aksakal 22 September 2014 18: 24
                        +13
                        Quote: Z.O.V.
                        Given the decline in the Russian population of the Far East and Siberia and the profits of the Chinese population, in the very near future, the Chinese will become the ethnic majority in these territories.

                        I myself am from the Far East, moreover, due to my work debt, I visit China, I have acquaintances Chinese and I observe this problem up close. Here it is necessary to state one immutable truth - NATURE DOESN'T END EMPTY. It is like the law of communicating vessels. The fact that the Far East is emptying is not a problem for the Chinese, it is a problem for Russia and its government. The demographic pogrom staged by the liberals in the 90s hit the Far East as well. And we will solve it together. For my part, I make my own efforts to solve it. My daughter, a clever girl, a gold medalist, a red diploma from a university, and her husband were seriously going to Canada, applied for. It's good that their specialties were not required. Yes, and I did not mind. And now I am trying to persuade them to stay, because there is a prospect for the development of Siberia and the Far East. For several years a lot of money has been invested in Vladivostok and continues to be invested. And her friends began to return. And I began to push the idea to her - "Where I was born, I came in handy there." Now I have entered graduate school and it seems that she no longer remembers Canada. And as for the Chinese, I will say this - they are hardworking, behave quietly, do not become impudent, treat Russians well, and hate America. After all, all major cities in Europe and America have their own Chinatowns.
                        - for residents of Siberia and the Far East, it is necessary to double maternal capital, a special loan for building a home for a period of 20 years without any interest on the birth of a third baby, and allocate plots in the most liquid areas, pay northern allowances and at the same time improve transport infrastructure with China so that inexpensive Chinese goods would hit the shelves of these problem regions with minimal costs, invest heavily in universities, so that analogues of such strong regional universities as the Novosibirsk University or Tomsky would be throughout Siberia and the Far East, and for local students it was FREE to pay the salary of a mother of three children, who is a housewife, and increase the salary with each next child so that the mother of five children would receive at the level of a qualified specialist or more. And refugees from the Donbass have nothing to do in Rostov, all to the Far East. For some reason, Russian emigrants from Kazakhstan are sent to Kaliningrad, you see, there are concerns there, but it seems to me that Kaliningrad is not in such danger as the Far East. It’s all expensive, it’s understandable. Who said that holding vast areas of land with innumerable wealth (albeit difficult to access at times) is an inexpensive pleasure? I don’t really understand what the Russian trillions are doing in American bonds. Is the above contribution to the Russian people in these regions not a profitable investment? Instead of six million people in the Far East, if we get twenty to thirty limits in twenty years with a corresponding increase in regional GDP, will it not return those trillions taken from the American capsule? I don’t understand Putin’s slowness in this matter.
                      2. Shurik34RF
                        Shurik34RF 22 September 2014 20: 46
                        +2
                        Aksakal will not advise bad.
                2. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 23 September 2014 00: 30
                  0
                  Quote: Stypor23
                  .So all the territories of interest will be mastered, and there will be a population of China of 5 billion people.

                  China in all historical epochs experienced cyclical changes in population. During the reign of a new dynasty, after another turmoil, a long time of peace came (100-200 years). The population grew rapidly and developed empty lands. When there was not enough land for everyone, a new upheaval and mass death of the population began. As a result, a new dynasty came to power, and as a result of mass death, land was liberated.
              2. Fin
                Fin 22 September 2014 12: 04
                +3
                Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                As an exception, the situation in Krasnoyarsk, if you refer to your observations.

                Observations, um ..., and statistics are how many Chinese have received passports? What is their percentage in the regions?
                An article is a reflection on the possible, maybe sometime, if all of a sudden ...
              3. Velikoruss
                Velikoruss 22 September 2014 14: 01
                +6
                Fears are not naive and well-founded. The Chinese people are patient. Overpopulation is growing and beyond the river there are rich uninhabited open spaces. The scenario with Russian citizenship is not only probable, it is already very real and is already being implemented.
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 22 September 2014 16: 14
                  -3
                  Quote: Velikorus
                  The Chinese people are patient. Overpopulation is growing and beyond the river there are rich uninhabited open spaces.


                  They don’t need our land, and they get Siberia’s wealth for pennies: gas discounts, almost free timber, rented land for agricultural crops, too, please, a place on the market without problems, and why do they need Dahl. East pumped out?
                2. Phantom Revolution
                  Phantom Revolution 22 September 2014 17: 36
                  +3
                  Quote: Velikorus
                  Senior Lieutenant
                  Velikorus RU Today, 14: 01 ↑ New

                  Fears are not naive and well-founded. The Chinese people are patient. Overpopulation is growing and beyond the river there are rich uninhabited open spaces. The scenario with Russian citizenship is not only probable, it is already very real and is already being implemented.


                  These fears are from the time of tsarist Russia.
              4. ymNIK1970
                ymNIK1970 22 September 2014 16: 35
                +6
                ... are as naive as the idea that in Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Nikolaev, militias will be waiting with flowers. Not "WILL BE", but waiting! God forbid you understand HOW people are waiting in the occupation. You cannot imagine how people in the South were waiting for any help. We realized too late that the "salvation of the drowning is the work of the drowning themselves." But "it's not over yet" wassat
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 22 September 2014 11: 49
              +7
              Quote: Stypor23
              The thought does not leave me that the Chinese pay you

              The idea that the Germans pay you for shouting that the Chinese women will capture us tomorrow does not leave me.
              Where is it from?
              1. Stypor23
                Stypor23 22 September 2014 11: 58
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: Stypor23
                The thought does not leave me that the Chinese pay you

                The idea that the Germans pay you for shouting that the Chinese women will capture us tomorrow does not leave me.
                Where is it from?

                At the very top I wrote where I came from. I will not have any American affairs with Germans and other liberals.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 22 September 2014 12: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Stypor23
                  I will not have any American affairs with Germans and other liberals.

                  I noticed this in your deleted comment.
                  1. Stypor23
                    Stypor23 22 September 2014 12: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Quote: Stypor23
                    I will not have any American affairs with Germans and other liberals.

                    I noticed this in your deleted comment.

                    Until the metro is built, I will not love the Kremlin.laughing. Tell me, what Putin doesn’t dare to destroy the physicist and his gang?
            3. B.T.V.
              B.T.V. 22 September 2014 11: 51
              +5
              Quote: Stypor23
              The thought doesn’t leave me that the Chinese are paying you extra money. Why are you protecting this?


              In addition to the "influx of Chinese", we have tigers walking along the streets, don't you believe ?!
              1. Stypor23
                Stypor23 22 September 2014 12: 17
                +1
                Quote: B.T.W.
                Quote: Stypor23
                The thought doesn’t leave me that the Chinese are paying you extra money. Why are you protecting this?


                In addition to the "influx of Chinese", we have tigers walking along the streets, don't you believe ?!

                These are apparently those who have been saved from poachers. yes
                1. B.T.V.
                  B.T.V. 22 September 2014 12: 38
                  +3
                  Quote: Stypor23
                  Quote: B.T.W.
                  Quote: Stypor23
                  The thought doesn’t leave me that the Chinese are paying you extra money. Why are you protecting this?


                  In addition to the "influx of Chinese", we have tigers walking along the streets, don't you believe ?!

                  These are apparently those who escaped from poachers.


                  Someone did not understand the jokes or very correct, even if they argued for the cons.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 22 September 2014 12: 44
                    +3
                    Quote: B.T.W.
                    Someone did not understand the jokes or very correct, even if they argued for the cons.

                    Tanya, everyone who draws minuses to the Far East does not have a relationship at all. They really think that everything here is populated by Chinese women.
                    Today I already asked for argumentation, put two more minuses without arguments. But this Stypor23 is one of those tech-cured polymers putinkazel. What to argue with him.
                    Hi hi
                    1. Stypor23
                      Stypor23 22 September 2014 13: 00
                      +3
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      But this Stypor23, he’s one of those techs who cured the polymer putinazel. What to argue with him.

                      Why are you persecuting me, huh? I give a real alignment. You should not expect anything good. Once again, I have never experienced any sympathy for Liberians.
                      1. IOwTZ
                        IOwTZ 22 September 2014 23: 43
                        +1
                        novels, you yourself like to argue, as well as to complain, only your conclusions are mostly not constructive. As the saying goes, "he said a lot, but said little."
                    2. kot28.ru
                      kot28.ru 22 September 2014 13: 15
                      +2
                      2 years ago I was in Orel on courses, there were guys from all over Russia, so I was just killed by the question of one guy from the Caucasus- "Is it true that the Chinese have taken everything from us? " lol
                    3. Ugrumiy
                      Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 14: 53
                      +5
                      Dear Roman, not all of us are populated by the Chinese, there are other questions, the author of the article captured only one of them and the main message of his article is not "all-propaloaaaaa !!!", but the conviction of the need for competent and systematic development and development of the Far Eastern region of Russia He indicated only negative tendencies, which, in a negative scenario, can come true, and you started to roll it out, by the way, too, not very well-reasoned, that's why you get the minuses. I myself did not put them to you and Tatiana, but I really wanted to. Respectfully yours, fourth generation indigenous Far Easterner.
              2. Ugrumiy
                Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 14: 44
                +3
                And you also have a closed border zone there and the fleet is standing. Oh yes, you also had an accident on the submarine under the USSR and there is a program for relocating the victims. Russians are fleeing from your area and the Chinese are simply not interested in him, and no one will let them go there, at least legally. So do not compare your area and agricultural land, for example, in the Amur and Jewish Autonomous Regions where there are a lot of Chinese, incorrect coverage of the situation comes out.
                1. B.T.V.
                  B.T.V. 22 September 2014 15: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: Ugrumiy
                  And you also have a closed border zone there and the fleet is standing. Oh yes, you also had an accident on the submarine under the USSR and there is a program for relocating the victims. Russians are fleeing from your area and the Chinese are simply not interested in him, and no one will let them go there, at least legally. So do not compare your area and agricultural land, for example, in the Amur and Jewish Autonomous Regions where there are a lot of Chinese, incorrect coverage of the situation comes out.


                  Quote: Ugrumiy
                  Best regards, Fourth generation indigenous Far East.


                  Judging by your commentary, you are either not aware of what is happening in the Primorsky Territory, or you see the "correct coverage of the situation" from this perspective. In addition to what you have listed, there is also Nakhodka, Vladivostok, Arsenyev, and we have a lot of things planned, God forbid, that everything will come true. hi
                  1. Ugrumiy
                    Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 17: 02
                    +1
                    Dear Tatyana, well, if you are living in the village of Fokino you don’t know that a nuclear submarine accident with emission of radiation occurred at a shipyard located there during the USSR and a resettlement program was adopted for the inhabitants of this area, then I don’t know . And about Primorye, I am aware, but what is happening there is still far from completion, this is only the beginning, and then, in my opinion, slow, crumpled and with a huge amount of flaws and abuses. If you were careful, then I indicated why specifically you have few Chinese, they are not interested there, but where they are, there are a lot of them.
                    1. B.T.V.
                      B.T.V. 22 September 2014 18: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: Ugrumiy
                      Dear Tatyana, well, if you are living in the village of Fokino you don’t know that a nuclear submarine accident with emission of radiation occurred at a shipyard located there during the USSR and a resettlement program was adopted for the residents of this area, then I don’t know .


                      Dear Maxim, I am aware of what happened in August 1985 in the Chazhma Bay, and I know about the program "Resettlement of residents to other regions" as well as you, and Fokino is not a village, but the closed city of Fokino, if you, you, so aware of the state of affairs in our territory. And the fact that we have few Chinese is really bad ?! We have enough migrants from the Near Abroad, and we have more than enough of them.
                      1. Ugrumiy
                        Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 19: 14
                        +1
                        Sorry, Tatyana was sealed up about the village, of course the city. So I’m telling you, you have ZATO, there is no agricultural land, so there are few Chinese, respectively, and our situation is completely different. But with the neighboring countries and the Caucasus republics similarly, thanks to our dear government! Yours faithfully.)))
                2. bars876
                  bars876 22 September 2014 16: 19
                  +4
                  And we still have such a pride as B. Kamen ... If you didn’t know ... So we generally cut nuclear boats there, and process water from the reactors there, and the reactors are not far sealed, they float in the water))) True horror??? By the way, you can see Vladivostok from B.Kamnya, across the bay, only 30km, by the sea ... I was born and raised in this city, and you won’t believe it, I have only one head!))) And both mom and dad moved, all my life for two They worked at our factories ... And now, why did they knock down as you said ... When I wrote about mom and dad, did I smell that we had come ??? Visitors come to Primorye Paul ... Therefore, they go back to their homeland to the west ... Who is old in age, who is better for life. Living with us is more difficult, they are getting harder, it’s insulting ... God forbid all the construction projects promised to begin, figs when I leave here !!! In winter, mountain leagues, a snowboard, an hour away from home, in the summer the sea (we have to go out in Khabarovsk in the summer), fishing in the winter in the summer, if you want to go to the sea, you want on the river ... Hills !!! The beauty!!! Today I was at sea, still swimming and sunbathing, especially the brave))) In the afternoon more than twenty warm !!! Need work and salary and no one will go from here !!!
                  1. B.T.V.
                    B.T.V. 22 September 2014 17: 01
                    +1
                    And since 1981 I have been in Primorye, I came from Sevastopol and remained so, now for good. And do not regret it.
                  2. Ugrumiy
                    Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 17: 13
                    +3
                    Well, I know about the division of boats, and there’s only one head, probably because the radioactive elements then go to the central part of Russia from you for processing, the second one doesn’t have time to grow))) Well, this is a joke, do not be offended. But the fact that the titanium hulls of boats are cut and processed into scrap, which goes to China, which, in turn, makes titanium products from it and sells them to us, but at a completely different price, is no longer a joke and not a very- it's nice. As well as the fact that the landfill for dry storage and processing of boat reactors has been planned for you for about 15 years and is being built the same way until now. But the summit, the bridge and the golden roads falling apart from the first rain. I myself am a native Far East and am glad for my land, so I want the government to not deal with everybody else ... and go down to the ground and finally begin to think and act strategically, to the benefit of the region.
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            5. siberalt
              siberalt 22 September 2014 14: 14
              +8
              How not to lose Siberia is a provocative question. This was done by Lev Vershinin. He seems to know better from Odessa. Looks like he's done it. Come and live here. Questions will disappear by themselves. It is necessary to "pour" into Siberia, and not into the suburbs of Moscow.
              1. Stypor23
                Stypor23 22 September 2014 14: 27
                +5
                Quote: siberalt
                Come and live here. Questions will disappear by themselves. It is necessary to "pour" into Siberia, and not into the suburbs of Moscow.

                That's right, fellow countryman. They already bugged money into the Caucasus, Moscow, Peter, and the Urals and the Far East have little money, although everyone knows where the main wealth of the country is.
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 22 September 2014 12: 15
            +1
            Yes, so that's it! And even more, - Most of those who hang out here are not Chinese at all, but North Koreans, Vietnamese and who the hell knows


            In Khabarovsk, the Chinese mostly sit at the flea market in Vyborg, well, they work in the fields around the city, and there are not many of them in the city either. They come to work on a rotational basis, in contrast to the described scenario, they are in no hurry to accept citizenship and send money home.
            So the author can sleep peacefully, "the border is locked" and "we will not give up the native land to the enemy." Moreover, he himself does not really climb.
            And militarily, the Chinese have nothing to catch at all. We have ways of communication once or twice and miscalculated. if in Primorye there is still room to turn around, then only two roads lead from Khabarovsk to the north. Highway and iron. Both on Komsomolsk, so blocking them will not be a big deal. The same chip in the Amur region.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 22 September 2014 13: 05
              +2
              Quote: alicante11
              So the author can sleep peacefully, "the border is locked" and "we will not give up the native land to the enemy." Moreover, he himself does not really climb.
              And militarily, the Chinese have nothing to catch at all.


              China rushes into Southeast Asia, there are hundreds of thousands of migrants from China, and Chinese business begins to pick up for themselves.
            2. 23 region
              23 region 22 September 2014 14: 05
              +3
              Quote: alicante11
              And militarily, the Chinese have nothing to catch at all. We have ways of communication once or twice and miscalculated. if in Primorye there is still room to turn around, then only two roads lead from Khabarovsk to the north. Highway and iron. Both on Komsomolsk, so blocking them will not be a big deal. The same chip in the Amur region.

              I’m sitting, not bothering anyone. Repairing Primus ...


            3. Ugrumiy
              Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 14: 31
              +3
              What will you overlap, and who? Under the USSR, Khabarovsk was covered by the Amur Flotilla and fortified areas on the Big Ussuri Island. Then, during the war, the URs had to hold out for about 1 hour before the deployment of the troops of the Khabarovsk garrison under the cover of the flotilla. Now there is no flotilla, there are no URs, parts of the troops of the Khabarovsk garrison under Serdyukov were reduced to a minimum, the territory where the fortified areas were given to the PRC (now you can look at China from the Khabarovskaya embankment) and a capital highway and a bridge were built to them. Also, a major bridge was built across the river. Ussuri, so the path to Khabarovsk has become faster and more convenient for the potential aggressor. And given the fact that in Khabarovsk there is all the management and command of the BBO, as well as the embassy and the Ministry of Development of the Far East, then in a sudden and massive attack ... analyze yourself what will happen. And the Chinese have enough roads to build workers and resources (for example, we have been strengthening the shore of the Kazakevichevo border duct for more than a dozen years and still nothing, but they sheathed it with granite over the course of the year and also built a bridge with a road to it)
          3. Ugrumiy
            Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 12: 48
            +2
            In your city they just have nothing to do, you can’t rent land and you don’t plant agricultural products, they don’t go, although you have enough of them in construction. Yes, and living in a large city is expensive and expensive for them, that’s where they live in the suburbs, sleeping areas, and most in the villages, closer to the ground.
          4. kot28.ru
            kot28.ru 22 September 2014 12: 50
            +1
            In Blagoveshchensk, too, only traders and builders, Caucasians and immigrants from Central Asia more than that confuses hi ! The FMS department has only queues, few Chinese soldier !
          5. kyznets
            kyznets 22 September 2014 12: 59
            +2
            By the way, and Kamchatka - Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky without the Chinese. Rather, there are Chinese, but very few, mostly trading in several places allocated to them. Somehow they didn’t take root. There are two more Uzbeks and Tajiks (they are at construction sites).
            And I also want to add. Who do you think we are now showing our muscles to in the Vostok exercises? America and NATO? So everything is shown to them in the Crimea and in Novorossia, in central and northern (Arctic) Russia. And now we are flexing our muscles for our "friend forever" China and for the company too for Japan. We launch missiles from the Jewish Autonomous Region - on the border with China, the Airborne Forces, the Air Defense Forces, the Air Force, the Navy, and the marines. In Avacha Bay, on some days, there were three nuclear submarines in the roadstead. The military ran, flew, drove, fired. And it was not a military staging show with the SCO allies, but personally ours personally for friends - neighbors. Yes, China's technologies are growing, the economy and industry, and the army is growing, but most importantly, do they want to populate our Far East north of Vanino, or even Khabarovsk? It's one thing to argue that these are their lands (on which the Chinese did not set foot until the 20th century). Another thing is to HANDLE them in snows up to two meters, in frosts, without any roads. It is not in our cities to settle down. It's all from scratch to ringing snot.
            And yet, in 1985, I listened to the story of our former military adviser in Vietnam during the Vietnam-China conflict. He told how the Chinese fought. Took a number. The Vietnamese retreated when the ammunition ran out. And then ours brought samples of new weapons (artillery), demonstrated in real combat. And the Chinese started negotiations. In the forties they were driven by a much smaller number of Japanese, did with them what they wanted. In short, it's the Americans, maybe the Chinese can scare. China will not be easy with us, I do not want to say that we are cooler, stronger, but we are not fighting in the field, not at sea, in the current war, the number of people (including the unemployed) is not an overwhelming advantage. Other factors are more important here.
          6. Fear
            Fear 22 September 2014 13: 59
            +2
            What can not be said about the Amur Region. Here "Whales" are like mud.
            1. Ugrumiy
              Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 15: 01
              +1
              What they mean, they have enough of their own industry, but they have tight land with agricultural land, so they are mastering the EAO, the Amur Region and the southern regions of the Khabarovsk Territory where these lands are. And we ourselves supply them oil, gas and coal from the northern regions of the Far East, so why bother.
        2. domokl
          domokl 22 September 2014 11: 40
          +17
          We will lose Siberia and the Far East not because the Chinese will come, but because there will be no Russians ... There really will not be ... The population is leaving the ATO zone ... Some cities have already turned into nursing homes.
          1. Leviton
            Leviton 22 September 2014 11: 59
            +3
            We will lose Siberia and the Far East not because the Chinese will come, but because there will be no Russians ... There really will not be ... The population is leaving the ATO zone ... Some cities have already turned into nursing homes.

            And what is most regrettable on domestic air flights to China, the Far East and Siberia are designated neither as the Russian Federation, but as a country called Siberia ..... And the fact that they can assimilate any territory is even without objection, if the government itself officially gives support to those who choose to another territory
            1. Nevsky_ZU
              Nevsky_ZU 22 September 2014 12: 02
              +2
              And what is most regrettable on domestic air flights in China, the Far East and Siberia are designated neither as the Russian Federation, but as a country called Siberia


              And here I would like the facts what very interesting argument
            2. hrych
              hrych 22 September 2014 12: 28
              +2
              And the fact that they know how to assimilate any territory

              Here, just the controversial statement. Whom did they assimilate there? Just, historical science says the opposite, who only did not assimilate them. The only example is the capture of Tibet, but there everything is about a couple of millions of local, dense of the most dense citizens, and these territories, being a mountain desert, are absolutely without resources (or rather they are, but it’s not possible to get them), just a burden for the Chinese state, all other expansion of the Chinese like Vietnam and other neighbors ended for the Chinese with a blow about between the horns. Of course, there are vast tea houses in different states, but this type of residence differs in that assimilation is not there, they are boiled in their own boiler and with various discrepancies, they are simply surrounded by barbed wire.
            3. domokl
              domokl 22 September 2014 15: 07
              +2
              Quote: LevITon
              . And the fact that they know how to assimilate any territory

              And what is there to assimilate ... The territories are empty ... Almost as many people live in Moscow as there are beyond the Urals ... We are all concentrated along the Trans-Siberian Railway ... And young people are leaving. There are no prospects, there are no decent earnings (in Soviet flight time to Moscow for the weekend was common for many), it makes no sense to stay ...
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            5. muks
              muks 22 September 2014 15: 51
              0
              Quote: LevITon
              And what is most regrettable on domestic air flights to China, the Far East and Siberia are designated neither as the Russian Federation, but as a country called Siberia ..... And the fact that they can assimilate any territory is even without objection, if the government itself officially gives support to those who choose to another territory

              In the PRC, the White Book of the People's Liberation Army of China is published annually. The position of the PRC leadership, the (official) priorities are outlined. As for a certain "Siberia" ... You, in fact, do not guess. that in the PRC there is criminal responsibility for ... statements regarding the capture of Siberia, the Far East? Incompetent and incorrect information, fished out by the author in the Monday confusion of convolutions, can be explained by only one thing - the refusal of the state to a monopoly of vodka.
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 22 September 2014 12: 00
            +1
            Quote: domokl
            We will lose Siberia and the Far East not because the Chinese will come, but because there will be no Russians ... There really will not be ... The population is leaving the ATO zone ... Some cities have already turned into nursing homes.


            An emergency regime was introduced in the Khabarovsk Territory due to refugees from the Donbass
            According to local authorities, currently 1339 citizens of Ukraine have arrived in the territory of the region
            An emergency situation has been introduced in the Khabarovsk Territory due to an increase in the number of citizens arriving from Ukraine. The corresponding order was signed by the governor of the region Vyacheslav Shport.
          3. FC SKIF
            FC SKIF 22 September 2014 12: 17
            +9
            Offer a normal, interesting job, you can watch, with a guarantee of housing at least ten years later - I’ll go. And there are plenty of people like me. It would be better if the state spent on this, and not on the Olympics and World Cup
          4. alicante11
            alicante11 22 September 2014 13: 31
            +6
            Some cities have already turned into nursing homes.


            Can you give an example?

            Unfortunately, they leave because the prices here are higher, and the salaries are not particularly higher than the average Russian ones, and we will not compare them with Moscow ones. It is difficult to go to Russia, a plane ticket to Moscow is at least 8000 rubles, and even then you have to take it in half a year, but urgently give 20 thousand and don't sin, it's easier to hit the road to China. And on the Far East the connectivity is very bad. To fly to Nikolaevsk is a little cheaper than to Moscow, and to Petropavlovsk it is completely equivalent, and it is really scary to fly on something that flies to Nikolaevsk. I don't even take my family to my relatives until the superjet is launched by Khabarovsk Airlines, because I had to fly on their An-24 and Yaks. In the summer, of course, it can be a meteor, but this year we walked only from Komsomolsk, and it was also such rubbish, it was the case, in a storm on the Amur, I got to Nikolayevsk on a meteor, so it was all crumbling along the waves jumping, as if I thought it would fall apart along the way. And the road to De-Kstree - Bogorodsky, which has been building for 20 years, is generally a song, and a funeral one. True, they manage to drive 7-star buses along it, but traveling in a crowded bus in the vicinity of sacks of fish and its drunken miners, who ride on a bus rolling on kodobins at a cruising speed of 10 km / h - this is such an attraction that any Disneyland has a rest ...
            In short, only real patriots can live in such conditions in the Far East, and not "nursing homes". By the way, pensioners like to go to Krasnodar. Like, it's warmer and cheaper there.
            1. 23 region
              23 region 22 September 2014 14: 23
              +1
              Quote: alicante11
              By the way, just pensioners like to leave for Krasnodar. Like, it's warmer there and life is cheaper

              Yes, it is warm with us, and prices, depending on what to compare. And there are pensioners from the Far East. I personally know two families. They like it, but their children would like to return, but they can’t get around without housing.
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      2. Edvagan
        Edvagan 22 September 2014 11: 50
        -1
        there were headlines, but it was only about one = two thousand people. This does not solve the problem absolutely
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU 22 September 2014 12: 09
          -1
          Quote: Edvagan
          there were headlines, but it was only about one = two thousand people. This does not solve the problem absolutely


          Do you think they will not come from Ukraine anymore? I doubt it.
          1. Aryan
            Aryan 22 September 2014 13: 38
            +5
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            Do you think they will not come from Ukraine anymore? I doubt it.

            I was in Vladivostok this summer, I spoke with different people ...
            I want to remind you that in the development of the Far East 2/3 there were immigrants just from Novorossia, there is a large exposition in the Arsenyev Museum in Vladivostok
            so that there are many related roots with the DNI
            Yes, and if a person moves so far, it is unlikely that he is thinking of returning
            Thanks to Russia and Vladivostok for hosting refugees
          2. Ugrumiy
            Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 15: 12
            +2
            Yes, let them go, and the state of emergency should be introduced only for the legitimate application of certain powers by the regional authorities to help refugees, and not because the region is unable to cope.
      3. Velikoruss
        Velikoruss 22 September 2014 13: 53
        +1
        Refugees from Ukraine, forgive me, do not even "burn" to defend their land, let alone our Far East. Most of them, after catching their breath, will go to explore the Moscow region
      4. Velikoruss
        Velikoruss 22 September 2014 13: 53
        0
        Refugees from Ukraine, forgive me, do not even "burn" to defend their land, let alone our Far East. Most of them, after catching their breath, will go to explore the Moscow region
    2. volot-voin
      volot-voin 22 September 2014 11: 22
      +10
      Quote: Fast
      What is the conversation, neighbors have already sent the army, learned the lesson at "5". Questions like these create a ferment of minds.

      The most correct thing is to do two things:
      1. Limit migration from China. Deport the arrivals. I really hope that the government is aware of this, but so far does not want to do this, it does not want to spoil relations with China.
      2. To increase the birth rate among the Russian population. To increase the influx of population by increasing. attractiveness of the region. To settle there refugees from Ukraine, give apartments for free and work.
      1. AnpeL
        AnpeL 22 September 2014 11: 49
        +3
        1. Limit migration from China. Deport the arrivals. I really hope that the government is aware of this, but so far does not want to do this, it does not want to spoil relations with China.

        But all the same, sooner or later it will have to be done. And it is better to do this now by introducing retaliatory laws in the field of migration to the sanctions of the West, under the influence of which our eastern "friends" will accidentally fall under the influence of kakbe. In our laws, oh, how often there are flaws, when, seemingly trying to do better for everyone, some part of society gets a "slap in the head". If in this case migrants from Southeast Asia are limited in rights and opportunities, then this will be the first step towards preventing the seizure of territories of Siberia and the Far East.
      2. Oleg NSK
        Oleg NSK 22 September 2014 12: 09
        +6
        raising. attractiveness of the region. To settle there refugees from Ukraine, give apartments for free and work

        ... well, they did ... then the real case ... here they came to our village (two families), they were given apartments ... they were offered a job (well, what is in the village ... by the way, they are also not urban ) ... gave the allowance ... they didn’t refuse anything ... just from work ... motivating them to be so well off and not used to such work ... the huts staked out ... their clothes were thrown ... and left for the Crimea (supposedly their relatives are there) ... so we don’t need such people here in Siberia
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU 22 September 2014 12: 10
          +1
          Quote: Oleg NSK
          raising. attractiveness of the region. To settle there refugees from Ukraine, give apartments for free and work

          ... well, they did ... next ... a real case ... here they came to our village (two families), they were given apartments ... they were offered a job (well, what is in the village ... by the way, too not urban) ... gave the allowance ... they didn’t refuse anything ... only from work ... motivating them to the size of the allowances and so well, and they weren’t used to such work ... the huts staked out .. clothes dropped ... and left for the Crimea ...


          What is this work? Throw me in PM. Far from Novosibirsk? Although I'm urban, I need work
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          2. Oleg NSK
            Oleg NSK 22 September 2014 12: 20
            0
            What is this work? Throw me in PM. Far from Novosibirsk? Although I'm urban, I need work

            ... threw off ... if necessary I can learn more
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      4. Ugrumiy
        Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 12: 43
        +8
        Nobody gives the Far East indigenous apartments for free, and you are going to give them to refugees. They need their own work and housing, then no one will leave with the Far East! A refugee would be nice and more, but not as it is now!
      5. kyznets
        kyznets 22 September 2014 13: 16
        +10
        Make life easier for us in the Far East, tickets for the mainland are affordable, electricity is cheaper (at least not higher than 15% of the mainland), food and communal prices are also closer to mainland, work with normal pay, stability and fertility will increase, and the population will increase. Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky - one of the most expensive cities in Russia, overtook Khabarovsk and even more so Moscow.
      6. Vladivostok
        Vladivostok 23 September 2014 05: 09
        0
        Well, of course! Let's drive the peasants from the land that they cultivate, and at the same time also traders from the markets! And what will we eat in a week? And what to wear? And you can close the representative offices of large Chinese companies, this is such a threat to the domestic market! What then? Break ties with the republics of Central Asia? Fence in a place of compact residence of small nations?
        In fact, our empire was built on other principles: openness, religious tolerance, equality and the highest culture.
        And:
        1. In my deep conviction, the vector of Chinese expansion is directed south.
        2. I really hope that the adopted program for the priority development of the Far East will be implemented (that is, the Russian development vector should be directed to the east) and in 50-100 years our country will firmly become on the shores of the Pacific Ocean.
    3. nikrandel
      nikrandel 22 September 2014 11: 24
      +6
      As long as there are three nuclear powers, none of them will encroach on the other!
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 22 September 2014 17: 54
        +3
        Quote: nikrandel
        As long as there are three nuclear powers, none of them will encroach on the other!

        Not everything is as simple as in the picture. That Russia, that America may well "sort out" China. China has too few warheads to destroy Russia or America, especially since the Russian Federation has S-300 and S-400, the United States has ships with AEGIS, and China has nothing in this regard, except for a few imported S-300s. But China is capable of inflicting serious damage even if only a dozen warheads break through. As expected, there will be one memory of China. And a nuclear winter will not come, since the scale of use will be limited, China has enough to bomb the main population centers, located very closely.
        But after the day of victory over China, the next day will inevitably come, and with it the understanding that the winner has remained at the mercy of a third, non-participating party. The winner has bombed cities, and bombed so that Hiroshima is next to this baby talk. The winner wasted strategic carriers and missile defense. It is ridiculous to think that a third party will not use this to make the world unipolar for a long time. Everyone understands this, including China, and that is why China is not trying to reach the level of guaranteed mutual destruction with the Russian Federation and the United States. They have enough that neither one nor the other will attack, bearing in mind the above scenario.
        But what will Russia do in the event of a Chinese attempt to seize the Far East and Siberia by conventional means? Without atomic weapons, the Chinese can simply stupidly throw corpses of the Russian Armed Forces. And with atomic - see above.
    4. DRA-88
      DRA-88 22 September 2014 11: 25
      +13
      The question is not only about the Far East !!!
      Question about the whole of Russia.
      When the vector of economic development of the Russian Federation gains its stability in the direction of the upsurge of the province, and not just the capital, and the level and quality of life at least begin to be pulled closer to the capital and when at last a sound policy will be pursued in the field of migration, then there will be nothing to worry about!
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt 22 September 2014 12: 27
      0
      Chinese in Yakutia? Why not. They have already copied the spacesuits for the Chinanauts. They will be able to master another "space". laughing
    7. Mahmut
      Mahmut 22 September 2014 12: 56
      -4
      The problem of separatism is probably still not in the Chinese, but in the attitude of the state towards its population. How will the Maidan or Manegee horses come to power - and that’s it. The conditions for separatism have been created. Chinese born in Russia and speaking Russian will essentially be Russian. Fresh blood is needed, especially in the far east. People living in the richest region of Russia are miserable and are content to resell used foreign cars. Laziness has reached such proportions that it can be cured only by assimilation. And Chinese material to improve the breed is the most suitable.
    8. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 22 September 2014 13: 06
      -2
      Quote: Fast
      What is the conversation, neighbors have already sent the army, learned the lesson at "5". Questions like these create a ferment of minds.


      Yes, another horror story. The Chinese, if only they would like, would have long owned the entire continent.
    9. Thesoll
      Thesoll 22 September 2014 16: 27
      +3
      Honestly, I don’t know where the author got such information from. I, as a resident of Vladivostok, would venture to disagree with the author. I have lived in Kamchatka for 10 years, for the 2nd decade I have been living in Vladivostok. Yes, we have Chinese, where do they work without them, they trade in consumer goods markets, do repairs in apartments, by the way, they are still very far from Koreans :). Regarding the preferences of the ladies of men from China, in general nonsense, I will not even comment. In principle, comrades from the Middle Kingdom in Vladivostok do not create problems. What can I say about people of Caucasian nationality, these people really have become a problem for the last few years, I’m certainly not migratory control, but according to their feelings in Vladivostok there are already more than the Chinese, and they behave unlike the worst. One problem related to the Chinese still excites me, at least I can talk about the Primorsky Territory, and this problem is related to land that our coastal authorities thoughtlessly rent out to farmers from China. Here these guys frolic fame, for several years they burn the earth with chemicals, and dump, by the way, I think that if they had any global plans to seize the territory, at least in the Primorsky Territory, they would handle the land be careful.
    10. Bro 3-12
      Bro 3-12 22 September 2014 18: 09
      0
      They inhabit the north (Yakutia, Buryatia ...)! Duck they are among their own !!
    11. does it
      does it 22 September 2014 18: 55
      +1
      Quote: Fast
      What is the conversation, neighbors have already sent the army, learned the lesson at "5". Questions like these create a ferment of minds.

      No ! He is completely right!Our Far East should be promoted in all mass media by attracting Russians. Otherwise, we will lose it.
  2. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 22 September 2014 11: 12
    +8
    Author Sofa General .... Is not this sofa? The dream of the Ukrainians is China’s occupation of the Far East and Siberia ... I talked about the maydan with a Russian surname in Berdyansk, in the 2012 year ... They say his aunt lives in Khabarovsk, and whole Chinese towns supposedly grow around the city every night.
  3. shinobi
    shinobi 22 September 2014 11: 13
    +2
    If they really could, they would already have done it. Author, do not read the liberal press in the afternoon and at bedtime. Especially the US media translations.
    1. shershen
      shershen 22 September 2014 13: 56
      +4
      The author of the article is simply worried about his country, this is absolutely normal.
  4. vitaz
    vitaz 22 September 2014 11: 13
    +10
    I’ve visited in those places I won’t say anything about the Chinese, but Azerbaijanis, Tajiks, etc. there are actually a lot like, however, everywhere in Siberia
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin 22 September 2014 11: 24
      +3
      Quote: vitaz
      I won’t say anything to the Chinese, but Azerbaijanis, Tajiks, etc. there are actually a lot like, however, everywhere in Siberia

      Everywhere in Russia they wanted to say? And the Chinese there are darkness, probably the forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs will not be able to cope with them, they will have to connect the army.
    2. Constanta
      Constanta 22 September 2014 14: 04
      +1
      Quote: vitaz
      I’ve visited in those places I won’t say anything about the Chinese, but Azerbaijanis, Tajiks, etc. there are actually a lot like, however, everywhere in Siberia

      And in Siberia, and along the Volga region, and, already, in Moscow the sea is poured out, and by no means as modest as the Chinese.
  5. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 22 September 2014 11: 15
    +12
    and the outflow of Russians from there to the central part of the country is only increasing.
    Author, are you sure about this?

    I am not talking about the military annexation of the Far East and Siberia by China. Still, Russia is a nuclear power, and the Chinese are too smart for such obvious aggression. In fact, since the beginning of 90's. there is a gradual, step by step colonization of Russia, "on the sly."


    The author, I will not read the poem further, come to Dalniy and see with your own eyes how many Chinese are here.
    You will see for yourself that there are much more Azerbaijanis here. At times! Therefore, it is good to suffer and write about which you know nothing!
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 22 September 2014 12: 06
      +3
      Greetings, Alexander! I’m saying that we have more Chinese than Russians here, I’ve been observing for a long time, at first I reacted violently, and now I simply assent. Let them believe.
      1. plotnikov561956
        plotnikov561956 22 September 2014 12: 21
        0
        In Transbaikalia for five years now the Dagestan-Azerbaijan occupation ... of the Chinese .. more transit to the central part ..
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 September 2014 12: 49
        +2
        Quote: B.T.W.
        Let them believe.

        Yes, it is, all the inscriptions are already in Chinese. The remaining Russians learn the names of the leaders of China. It is considered uncultured here to pronounce their names with an accent and even more so with errors lol
        Hello again laughing
        1. B.T.V.
          B.T.V. 22 September 2014 13: 14
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, it is, all the inscriptions are already in Chinese. The remaining Russians learn the names of the leaders of China. It is considered uncultured here to pronounce their names with an accent and even more so with errors


          Yes, and then we all squinted and changed our skin color. lol
    2. Ugrumiy
      Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 12: 19
      +7
      I am from the Far East, from Khabarovsk, and for the most part the author of the article is right. In the PRC, at the state level, there is a plan for the assimilation of the Chinese population in the territory of the Far East, the ultimate goal of this program is precisely the creation of an autonomous territorial entity with a predominant Chinese population and its accession to the PRC. Let it be known that in the northern provinces of China (where migrants mainly come to us from) they study the Russian language without fail, and on the school maps the Far East of Russia and part of Siberia are designated as temporarily occupied territories, or as a zone of interests of the PRC and all geographical names designated by Chinese terms that do not correspond to Russian. Very large Chinese diasporas live in the territories of the Jewish Autonomous Region and the Khabarovsk Territory and the Amur Region (mainly in small towns and villages, as they are mainly engaged in agricultural and forest processing). Yes, there may be few of them in Vladivostok itself, but in the agricultural regions of the Primorsky Territory there are quite a lot of them.
      As for the "small towns" in the adjacent territories, they are not small towns, but cities with millions of people are immediately laid. So, in the province of Fuyuan, in the immediate vicinity of Khabarovsk, the Chinese are building such a millionaire with an international airport and a business center (construction began immediately after the transfer of a part of the Russian islands to the PRC on the Amur River directly under Khabarovsk). So something like that. And do not underestimate the PRC, of ​​course you need to be friends with them, but not to the detriment of yourself, and be ready to effectively kick in the teeth if necessary. Now, unfortunately, it is impossible, the land military group and the fleet in this direction are significantly weakened, hello to Serdyukov! And we don't even have enough hats for them.
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 22 September 2014 12: 29
      0
      I agree. Moreover, the second mass migration of Russians from Ukraine is expected.
    5. Bastion ammur
      Bastion ammur 22 September 2014 18: 19
      +1
      I would not say that the outflow is increasing, but it is. Partly, of course, these are families of military personnel, since recently they have been reduced by a large amount, many of them still hang out with the state, but sooner or later they will start to the West, because Housing is mainly distributed there, and even sell it there if something happens. Those who leave over the past three or four years have saved some money and sold an apartment and property, movable and immovable, moving mostly closer to the sea, naturally, the Krasnodar Territory. We already have jokes that the Krasnodar Territory is a branch of the Amur Region. Well, of course, good specialists leave, and since more or less large enterprises are in the introduction of Moscow, they settle there. There are those who are well attached in China, Korea, but they are few. Remain mainly those who have something to lose and those who do not have the opportunity to leave. Well, of the newcomers, it’s mainly Azerbaijan, Armenia, they have been working for two years as Uzbeks in the summer, the Koreans also have a few, well, naturally the Chinese, of course there are a lot of them, as they have already said - traders, builders, farmers. But they try not to catch the eye, buy large bases where they arrange dormitories, either live in dormitories, or directly at construction sites. At night you will not see them at all. Something like this wink
  6. 222222
    222222 22 September 2014 11: 16
    +13
    "Attention! Alignment to the middle !!!" "Aurora" goes to Kronstadt .. "(in the Guard of Honor ..)
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2014/09/22/
    1. Spitfire
      Spitfire 22 September 2014 12: 24
      +1
      Yesterday, through binoculars from the pier in Lomonosov, I saw the wiring to Kronstadt.
  7. ole
    ole 22 September 2014 11: 16
    +3
    The Chinese fellows the state system works in the distant prospect of doing nefig until the Urals chop off everything.
    1. Spitfire
      Spitfire 22 September 2014 12: 20
      +2
      They are not in a hurry, this is 100% true. For their millennial state, 100 years is not a deadline. We are scurrying around, thinking and wondering what will happen in a month or a year, and this is alien to them.
    2. shershen
      shershen 22 September 2014 13: 59
      0
      If Russia is so weak, then everything can be.
  8. andrew42
    andrew42 22 September 2014 11: 17
    +3
    The Far East is still Russian for one single reason: all applicants (China, Japan, the USA) understand that the one who pokes first will receive nothing. The one who invades the second will receive everything. Therefore, no one wants to be the first. In addition, China has an advantage over its competitors - a real possibility of quiet expansion, which is happening. Primorye and Khabarovsk - the edge of the cake, hanging at the edge of the table.
  9. shaman-25rus
    shaman-25rus 22 September 2014 11: 18
    +3
    China does not forget good. the Chinese generally have a good memory.
    1. bekjan
      bekjan 22 September 2014 12: 13
      -3
      for good memory bans Orthodox churches at home.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 22 September 2014 13: 11
        +2
        Quote: bekjan
        for good memory bans Orthodox churches at home.


        The situation with Orthodoxy in China is slowly but changing.
        From May 10 to May 15, 2013, for the first time in history, the visit of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia to China. Meetings between Patriarch Kirill and President of China Xi Jinping and Director of the State Administration for Religious Affairs under the State Council of the People’s Republic of China Wang Zuoan took place. The Primate of the Russian Orthodox Church celebrated the Divine Liturgy on the territory of the Russian Embassy in Beijing, in the Pokrovsky Church of Harbin and in the building of the former cathedral in honor of the icon of the Blessed Virgin Mary “The Hand of the Sinners” in Shanghai [15]. The visit of the Patriarch showed a special level of Russian-Chinese relations in the religious sphere and gave impetus to further steps in the process of the revival of Orthodoxy in the PRC - the ordination of the first priests and, in the future, the registration of the Chinese Autonomous Orthodox Church [16].
    2. Ugrumiy
      Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 12: 37
      +1
      And China, too, does not forget, and evil, like good, remembers.
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    4. 97110
      97110 22 September 2014 14: 49
      0
      Quote: shaman-25rus
      the Chinese generally have a good memory.
      At Rannenkampf? Or in Daman? I remember, I started in 1978, I thought to demobilization ... dec, we’ll fight. On the side of Vietnam, ess-no.
      1. Ugrumiy
        Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 15: 15
        0
        To Russian-Chinese)
  10. muginov2015
    muginov2015 22 September 2014 11: 19
    +10
    The correct article, and the Kremlin’s policy in this matter, unfortunately, is the policy of ostriches. While I’m in the sand, I don’t see and don’t want to know. Serious reforms are needed in terms of the demographic growth of the Far East population, not miserable handouts, such as matkapital. Construction of social housing , work, attracting people from the mainland. Yes, a lot of everything and you will not remember.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 September 2014 11: 29
      +10
      Quote: muginov2015
      . Serious reforms are needed in terms of population growth in the Far East

      You patrites, you can’t drive a stick here, even despite the high salaries.
      1. muginov2015
        muginov2015 22 September 2014 11: 42
        +1
        I, my dear, worked in Chukotka in due time, and now I would love to go to hell so that I couldn’t see the faces of local bureaucrats. Only the hag is age and children do not let go of adults.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 September 2014 11: 52
          +1
          Quote: muginov2015
          .Only the hassle is age and adult children do not let go.

          And do children of adults do not want to rush to the Far East?
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          2. muginov2015
            muginov2015 22 September 2014 11: 57
            +1
            I don’t know about you, but we, the Tatars, have very strong family ties. To leave forever, tearing them is tantamount to betrayal. Although ... here they invite me to Magadan by profession .. I sit, I think.
            1. sasha-bort
              sasha-bort 23 September 2014 11: 43
              0
              We must go, you always have time to return, but you will regret the rest of your life if you didn’t go, unless of course we offer good conditions.
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      3. plotnikov561956
        plotnikov561956 22 September 2014 12: 16
        +1
        I fully agree ... to earn ... YES ... to live .. God forbid ..
      4. abc_alex
        abc_alex 22 September 2014 13: 10
        +1
        Alexander, I have a question. I talked with the inhabitants of the Far East and they told me an interesting thing. It is as if naturalized Chinese very quickly thaw and penetrate Russian patriotism stronger than ourselves. Sounds like the truth?
        1. Constanta
          Constanta 22 September 2014 14: 15
          +1
          I join the question. There was also a scientific article about the similarity of mentality.
        2. shaman-25rus
          shaman-25rus 22 September 2014 16: 57
          +1
          it so happened historically that not only the Chinese, but also the French and Germans, and others like them, quickly grow brown. and become patriots. remember Lermont, de Tolly, etc.
      5. kyznets
        kyznets 23 September 2014 05: 15
        +1
        Yes, even tourists do not go to us very much, what about ordinary migration. These Moscow connoisseurs of the Far East got it. Everyone knows, we are all on their shelves. The author of the article just hung the noodles on the branches. And the main problem not only in the Far East is not in the Chinese, and not even in the Caucasians, but in the fact that Moscow behaves in Russia as a colonial metropolis. All resources - financial, human, scientific, industrial, natural - everything is concentrated in Moscow, and we, the periphery, must provide high living, cultural and other levels to Muscovites. I don’t know, but after dill, Americans and Europeans, Muscovites and Moscow are probably the biggest enemy of Russia. And sooner or later, but something will have to be done with this. What is the average per capita budget for Russia, the Far East, Kamchatka, and Moscow? And someone treats us about the Chinese expansion? WE, the Far East, and other inhabitants of the periphery hold on to our land on almost bare patriotism and enthusiasm, love for our small homeland, and Muscovites on their patriotism pump out everything that is possible from us, and even teach us how to live right, and what we must homeland.
    2. shershen
      shershen 22 September 2014 14: 00
      +3
      Polygamy would not hurt ethnic Russians, well, at least temporarily, purely to preserve the population.
  11. Roshchin
    Roshchin 22 September 2014 11: 19
    +12
    One should not be afraid of those who are in Beijing, but who created and continue to do their "deeds" in Moscow. Whom besides Putin and Rogozin do we know as responsible and intelligent politicians?
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    2. 97110
      97110 22 September 2014 15: 11
      +1
      Quote: Grove
      Who, besides Putin and Rogozin, do we know as responsible and sensible politicians?

      Yes, we know sensible and responsible. Only to whom is Kudrin responsible, for example. In that legal field, where he is sensible and responsible, there is nothing to catch - this field is plowed and manmade for the reaper from across the ocean. But our field is not plowed, weeds are growing. If Stalin, based on the accumulated dollars, built Magnitogorsk, we still would not have appeared MS-1. And Christie’s chassis could not be bought.
  12. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 22 September 2014 11: 21
    +4
    Until Moscow firmly knows that Transbaikalia is not beyond the Urals, but beyond Baikal, nothing will change. The Chinese are pulling a gas pipe, but apparently the Chinese will already be pulling to Transbaikalia! Forgot again request
    1. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 22 September 2014 12: 28
      0
      The Kremlin’s colonial policy towards Transbaikalia ... that existed under the Communists did not change even under the current government ... only the last couple of years there have been positive developments ... and even that is insignificant
  13. Oldwiser
    Oldwiser 22 September 2014 11: 21
    +2
    The author shies from one extreme to the other - frightened of the "quiet" colonization of Siberia and the Far East by China alone (through the method of "creeping dissolution" of the Russian gene pool by the Chinese through mixed marriages), he proposes to "lease out" our land to everyone in a concession - both Japan and Korea, and Taiwan, and Singapore, and India, and the same Geirors - Germans, French, Italians, etc. We don't need such a brothel! We must develop and master ourselves! It is necessary to work, and not to panic - you see, "there is an outflow of the population to the central regions of the Russian Federation." If the living conditions in Siberia and the Far East are better than in the European part of the Russian Federation and in the Urals, then no one will go anywhere.
    1. RusDV
      RusDV 22 September 2014 12: 14
      +7
      Quote: OldWiser
      It is necessary to work, and not to panic - you see, "there is an outflow of the population to the central regions of the Russian Federation." If the living conditions in Siberia and the Far East are better than in the European part of the Russian Federation and in the Urals, then no one will go anywhere.


      I live and work in the Far East. I travel a lot. I do not see the Chinese problem in the form in which the author depicts. Living conditions in the Far East are getting worse permanently, and the cost of living is also growing. Moreover, it is not proportional to the average Russian level. Many are leaving and the population is declining despite the fact that there are a lot of Caucasians and Central Asians. Nature does not tolerate emptiness. Schools now have classes (not everywhere of course), where Russians are in the minority. About 15 years ago, I would not have believed in such forecasts. If someone considers this nonsense - he did not live here and does not know reality. The problem, even if not Chinese, is! The GDP knows about this and instructed the transfer of large state-owned companies and businesses to Siberia and the Far East for no reason, from scratch, tossing about idleness .... The author’s article is not about reality, but only a forecast, little real in my opinion on Chinese issues. But he hooked the problem of the Far East and Siberia as colonies of the metropolis and the corresponding policy of the latter ... The janitor, no matter what nationality, in Moscow and the average mining engineer in the Far East have comparable salaries. Gazprom and railway will not take .... Leaving! If possible ... And this is just normal housing and a place of work ....
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 22 September 2014 14: 16
        +2
        That is the task / work - CREATE in Siberia and Far East
        Quote: RusDV
        just normal housing and place of work ....
    2. bekjan
      bekjan 22 September 2014 12: 16
      +2
      the author says that it is necessary to attract investors with money from the above countries, and not the population.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 22 September 2014 14: 17
        0
        And how will French money (investments) prevent our Chinese comrades from carrying out their "plan of quiet colonization" of Russia?
  14. Carlos
    Carlos 22 September 2014 11: 22
    +10
    The article is positive. In such matters, you need to think like the same Chinese for decades to come.
    1. 23 region
      23 region 22 September 2014 15: 00
      +2
      Quote: Carlos
      The article is positive. In such matters, you need to think like the same Chinese for decades to come.

      Even for centuries. That would be something to learn from China.
      1. Vladivostok
        Vladivostok 23 September 2014 05: 39
        +1
        Quote: Region 23
        Even for centuries. That would be something to learn from China.

        Ha! Well, of course! Their heads are big, big, and their brains are many, many, and their minds are bright and bright, and there are a lot of plans! For twenty years, for a hundred, for a thousand!
        Gentlemen, how much can everyone be considered smart, and yourself fools. Now they bowed before America, then before Europe, now China is holding its eyes.
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  15. bmv04636
    bmv04636 22 September 2014 11: 24
    +2
    China, China. A series of explosions occurred in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of China, local media reported. Incidents were noted the night before in a number of small towns in Luntai County. Two of the dead are now known. A large number of injured were also reported.
    He has his own problems now.
    1. Ugrumiy
      Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 12: 21
      +3
      China always has some internal problems, but they are resolved quickly and radically and it is not worth hoping for it.
      1. Vladivostok
        Vladivostok 23 September 2014 05: 49
        0
        Quote: Ugrumiy
        but they are resolved quickly and radically

        With Xinjiang, the problem is only getting worse, in Tibet there are problems, with Vietnam, the Philippines, India friction. Hatred towards Japan.
        And what problems are solved?
        Or maybe we’ll go through the economy? So there are no fewer problems than in politics.
  16. sssss018
    sssss018 22 September 2014 11: 25
    -4
    Why should such topics be raised at all, Russia has been and will be what it is, and maybe even more!
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    2. muginov2015
      muginov2015 22 September 2014 12: 05
      +2
      And in general, we will throw all the hats.
  17. 89067359490
    89067359490 22 September 2014 11: 27
    +4
    We’re building an East. Consider a new city. New people. So do not panic. And China has many empty lands.
    1. Stypor23
      Stypor23 22 September 2014 11: 34
      +1
      Quote: 89067359490
      And in China, who is full of their empty lands.

      What would they do there? If there was a war, they would have mastered it long ago. And they are throwing territorial presentations to neighbors.
    2. Ugrumiy
      Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 12: 35
      +1
      However, they are not agricultural land, but they need just such, and the Chinese are willing to rent those in Russia.
  18. erased
    erased 22 September 2014 11: 28
    +9
    Interesting, relevant, urgent and ... late. It's too late to defend. Not with this power. Not with this corruption. Not with 5 to 25 columns. Russia is not able to do anything and protect itself from such a "partner" not because the people are weak. And because at the head of the people are corrupt creatures and enemies. The supreme commander in chief alone is not a warrior in the field, as some think.
    Germany attacked the USSR because Hitler and his team (sponsored and pushed by financial aces) considered themselves stronger. After that, no one ever tried to fight the USSR. They prepared, provoked, shouted, waved their colts, but did not climb.
    You can and can fight the Russian Federation with the Russian Federation. Yes, not always rockets, but like that, by the method of hidden penetration, capture and subsidence - completely.
    Now China has a super chance to enter Siberia and the Far East forever under the guise of Western fuss. And take them forever. Does the Kremlin understand this? Well, they’re not full of fools. But to understand one thing, and to do something is different. This other thing is not enough.
    Comrade Stalin, wake up! Without you, it becomes somehow ... scary.
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    2. hrych
      hrych 22 September 2014 12: 59
      +8
      The USSR was not the kid that everyone attacked. The main essence of the USSR was in the expansion of the world revolution across all continents. Poured money, weapons and free resources to all and sundry: Arabs, blacks, Latins, Asians and all at the expense of the Russian peasant. The same Maoist China was grown directly by the Bolshevik regime and, in fact, the first of the monsters and got out of control when we had a feeble-minded Trotskyist Nikitka as a feeder, which even had a limited conflict, and after that they spoiled us in Afghanistan. When the Anglo-Saxons pumped from all over the world and improved the standard of living of their citizens, the Bolsheviks themselves, using all the Obkom privileges, pumped everything from Russia and the Russian peasant in favor of different baboons. Now, as they say, Russia is concentrating, which is why it is becoming much stronger and the standard of living of our people is clearly increasing. The Bolsheviks tore and gave away the Russian lands to all who feel like it, so Crimea and New Russia turned out to be hell knows from whom. The only land in eastern Prussia came into Russia, and so Bolshevnya just bazaar everything. Turkestan was presented with the Uyghur chinaways from a broad shoulder, it was presented to Manjuria, although it was by no means Chinese who smashed the Kwantungs and Russian blood was pouring and it would have been a beautiful buffer like Mongolia. Even the nuclear weapons of the Chinas were simply presented for ideological reasons. It doesn’t sound surprising, but Russia is now much stronger than the USSR and does not squander the land, but has the strength and returns, which concerns Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Crimea and New Russia. China, sensing our strength, just became an ally, and the EU and the USA are on the verge of collapse, which was exactly the opposite under the USSR.
  19. zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga 22 September 2014 11: 28
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    and the outflow of Russians from there to the central part of the country is only increasing.
    Author, are you sure about this?

    I don’t know how from Vladivostok, but many are leaving Komsomolsk. And indeed, Komsomolsk, in comparison with your city, Alexander makes a depressing impression.
    We really do not have many Chinese, as you rightly noted much more Azerbaijanis and Tajiks.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 September 2014 11: 54
      0
      Quote: zyablik.olga
      I don’t know how from Vladivostok, but many are leaving Komsomolsk.

      Komsa generally a separate story, firstly on the outskirts, secondly there Mikhalev.
      1. zyablik.olga
        zyablik.olga 22 September 2014 12: 19
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Komsa generally a separate story, firstly on the outskirts, secondly there Mikhalev.

        Mikhalev is no longer there, instead of him his "clone", a member of the United Russia is a certain Klimov.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 September 2014 12: 53
          +2
          Quote: zyablik.olga

          Mikhalev is no longer there, instead of him his "clone", a member of the United Russia is a certain Klimov.

          Where is old Mikhalev? This one has a look like Mikhalev’s.
          1. zyablik.olga
            zyablik.olga 22 September 2014 13: 14
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Where is old Mikhalev? This one has a look like Mikhalev’s.

            I say "clone". Mikhalev was "elected" to the Regional Duma; apparently, parliamentary immunity is needed.
  20. Bigriver
    Bigriver 22 September 2014 11: 30
    +1
    This article is a reflection on the topic.

    This is a reflection on the topic.
    For your information, the article belongs to the analytical genres. Analytics requires studying the dynamics of the process. And the dynamics can be seen only by studying the order of numbers, objective indicators.
    They are not here. Conclusions are not supported by anything, beyond your subjective opinion.
    Therefore - a minus.
  21. killganoff
    killganoff 22 September 2014 11: 30
    +8
    I agree with the author of the article. China needs to address the issue of overpopulation, in particular, our eastern neighbor has a large surplus of male population. Serious problems with fresh water force us to look at our Baikal with no less interest than at other resources of Siberia and the Far East. And at the moment, ours are not only developing, but only reducing industrial capacities, for example, the shipyards of Komsomolsk on the Amur are no longer building nuclear submarines, in general, from the Pacific Fleet, two nuclear submarines of project 971 Samara and Bratsk are sent for repairs and modernization to Severodvinskaya Zvezdochka "on a Dutch dock ship, and at this time the once largest shipyard Zvezda is content with small orders.
    1. Ugrumiy
      Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 12: 25
      0
      Build, but not for themselves, the extreme submarine left for India (((
      1. Ugrumiy
        Ugrumiy 22 September 2014 17: 19
        +1
        And what's the minus, because it is. Built and surrendered to India under a contract.
    2. Lenar
      Lenar 22 September 2014 12: 34
      0
      Or maybe Mongolia will fit them?
      1. 23 region
        23 region 22 September 2014 15: 13
        +3
        Quote: Lenar
        Or maybe Mongolia will fit them?

        Mongolia itself will do. Plus, the Mongols treat the Russian Federation better than our other former "allies", and they are afraid of China.
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  22. lwxx
    lwxx 22 September 2014 11: 35
    +7
    Quote: shinobi
    If they really could, they would already have done it. Author, do not read the liberal press in the afternoon and at bedtime. Especially the US media translations.

    And you don’t need to read the liberals, you have to live in the Far East. I was born and raised in the Far East and I see what’s happening here. The dream of many of our pedros is to make our region seasonal. A lot of the price tag has collapsed, but it’s worn like on the mainland. quiet glanders settle down.
    1. muginov2015
      muginov2015 22 September 2014 12: 07
      +1
      Well, the answer to Romanov from the native is t.s.
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  24. SAM 5
    SAM 5 22 September 2014 11: 36
    +4
    If you leave everything as it is now, slanting eyes will take over everything up to the Urals. And this is not a very distant future.
  25. Evgen4ik
    Evgen4ik 22 September 2014 11: 41
    +5
    We need a billion Russians in Russia. and no China is scary.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 22 September 2014 11: 47
      +1
      Quote: Evgen4ik
      We need a billion Russians in Russia. and no China is scary.


      Like walking on the net, and not only on the Internet, the program "Russian billion". It specifically proposed measures to stimulate the revival of the institution of the family and help children. Such a self-help fund. In my opinion, the Cossacks were engaged in this, I cannot say for sure.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 September 2014 11: 55
      +5
      Quote: Evgen4ik
      We need a billion Russians in Russia.

      Throw the computer and go to the wife!
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 22 September 2014 12: 00
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Evgen4ik
        We need a billion Russians in Russia.

        Throw the computer and go to the wife!


        I have not found laughing
    3. muginov2015
      muginov2015 22 September 2014 12: 09
      0
      Eh-ma! So hde there to take them!
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    5. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 22 September 2014 14: 25
      0
      Do you personally have 10 children for this?
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 22 September 2014 15: 11
        +2
        Quote: OldWiser
        Do you personally have 10 children for this?


        Remove unspoken and vowel consumer standards, head. And so, after the 4 child, juveniles will come to me to make sure that the child has a personal PC and Internet access, such as it should develop, + 2 pair of shoes for the 1 season. I make a rough comparison, but something like this.
        1. 23 region
          23 region 22 September 2014 15: 16
          0
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Quote: OldWiser
          Do you personally have 10 children for this?


          Remove unspoken and vowel consumer standards, head. And so, after the 4 child, juveniles will come to me to make sure that the child has a personal PC and Internet access, such as it should develop, + 2 pair of shoes for the 1 season. I make a rough comparison, but something like this.
    6. 97110
      97110 22 September 2014 16: 44
      +1
      Young do not give Duck, but I do not want to be the same age.
  26. Idunavs
    Idunavs 22 September 2014 11: 43
    +4
    They lick their resources for sure, but they don’t really want to live there. Look at the map where people live in China, 2/3 of the population live on the coast and the south, and the north is almost empty by their standards.
  27. Per se.
    Per se. 22 September 2014 11: 43
    +4
    There was a time, in 1904, it seemed that in the Far East we would throw our caps over the Japanese ... In matters of defense, optimists are more dangerous than enemies, here it is better to blow on the water a hundred times than to be brutally burned once. Nobody calls to be at enmity with China, to break off relations with it, but also to forget that this "friend" is not on your mind. The shameful "demarcation" where Russia transferred part of its border territories to the PRC unilaterally is half the trouble, much worse that Russia signed an agreement on the withdrawal of its troops from the fortified borders to the north of the border, in fact to the "tundra", to the taiga and China to the south, without actually losing anything. China has territorial claims to all its neighbors, in particular to Russia, it has "affairs" in spite of the previously transferred territories. The total area of ​​territorial claims to its neighbors in China exceeds the modern area of ​​China itself. The PLA managed to fight, not only claiming to Damansky, the Chinese were fighting on the border against India and Vietnam, our longtime allies. The power of the Chinese army is not pumping up against the United States, their tank armada will not roll over the waves of the Pacific Ocean, and the overpopulated and poor lands of Pakistan and India are a dubious goal. Read on the topic, there is little joyful, and it's not about the "yellow press" or some horror stories, there is something to scratch a turnip about. The article here is not in vain, and our powers-that-be should think more often about such articles, so as not to get to their former "friend" from German National Socialism in 1941, a new treacherous "friend" from Chinese "National Communism", somewhere in foreseeable dashing time. To the author of the article, plus for worrying about the Fatherland.
  28. RUSS
    RUSS 22 September 2014 11: 46
    -1
    As such, it is difficult to call the author of this article, since he paraphrased and rewrote another already "hackneyed" horror story that comes out with periodicity, or anything new - the lack of analysis and new facts, etc., in general, some cliches. The article is "empty", in short a minus !!!
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      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 22 September 2014 12: 15
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        Quote: muginov2015
        what is your evidence! But seriously, the population density is one person per thousand square kilometers, a terrible figure. Moreover, these are statistics from Soviet times.


        Can you tell the density of Canada’s 16 millionth, which borders on the US 300 millionths? Think restrains only well-being? And you were not interested in the climatic latitude, on which are all the large and major cities of Canada? A little lower than Moscow.
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        2. muginov2015
          muginov2015 22 September 2014 14: 05
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          Can you tell the density of 16 millionth of Canada, which borders on 300 millionths of the USA? Think restrains only well-being ...

          You, dear x. don’t compare with your finger, who is it in Canada, actually the edge of the bitch, did you open your mouth? In terms of defense, they don’t have any concern, I think it doesn’t.
    2. muginov2015
      muginov2015 22 September 2014 12: 12
      +1
      what is your evidence! But seriously, the population density is one person per thousand square kilometers, a terrible figure. Moreover, these are statistics from Soviet times.
  29. blackhill
    blackhill 22 September 2014 11: 51
    +2
    In order for people not to leave the Far East, it is necessary to provide jobs with a good salary which is not only enough to pay off. Services and to eat. But unfortunately, we have this hemorrhoids all over the country, because sit on the spiculant. One tender won from the state hired a contractor contractor hired a contractor and understood. Moreover, the first 2-5 organizations have a staff of 3-5 employees and grab the lion's share, the latter is forced to launder money and pay a gray salary in an envelope. But everyone knows and is silent sadly. I work as a signalman, serve a megaphone. It would seem that you chew some money, but there is a relative on a relative and in order to win a tender you need to give it a paw and subsequently unfasten the governors of the regions so that they, in turn, do not break the contract. As a result, I have a gray salary and delays in receiving it on average by 0.5 - 1 month. For me, I would put these scots on a bare ass butt but my hands are short and criminally punishable so sad again .... ask why I will not quit and find another job, this ass is everywhere and either delays with a salary of 20-30 thousand or 10 thousand but on time and what is 10 thousand now? So, we’re spinning as much as we can, therefore whoever has the opportunity is the one who brings down from the east, and here I’m in the Volga region where can I put it? And nowhere as everywhere the same ass !!! So the first thing you need to take for the ass of the speculators, together with the officials, the bastards have cut the hell out of you and we will return everything to the state and so on. They gave everything to private traders, but those were .... whether even now there are only warehouses and tapes with magnets and bunches. And then the Chinese, the Chinese, the trouble is about how the author doesn’t see the timbers in his eye. The Mongols once rubbed their hands too - they didn’t work out weakly, and where is their empire now. We will survive all the guys and the United States and the geyropu and China just needs to not only stuff our own pockets but also think about others ... be a person in the next world you won’t take anything with you !!!
  30. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 22 September 2014 12: 00
    -1
    Quote: lwxx
    Kittens are quietly settling down.

    It is enough to look at the birth rate data in the world and it will immediately become clear that without any wars and conquests, Asians and Africans will prevail in all countries of the world already in this century!
    Is there any way to prevent this scenario? Author, ay!
  31. smith7
    smith7 22 September 2014 12: 02
    +2
    However, the fears are still serious, we must not relax! I was in the Khabarovsk Territory in 2006. The owner of a medium-large business, 35 years old, for the extraction of fish, malachite, all kinds of food-and-bed-and-game establishments and the hotel where I lived spoke to me. At the billiard table (we had never met before and still do not know each other by surname) we talked about the Far East and the Chinese. In Amursk they were not "filled up", but you can find them. And the businessman says to me, "I'm on Vova (VVP)" from the high bell tower ... ", I am ready to be under those with whom it is easier to do business: Koreans, Chinese, Japanese." In short, my "counterpart" turned out to be a slave of the "yellow devil", "without a homeland, without a flag," which really upset me. But it is very significant when an active, healthy, intelligent person is completely deprived of any love for the Fatherland. It must be admitted that the city of Amursk did not give the impression of the best city on Earth. At 18 o'clock on the local along the main alley in the park you find insulin syringes, abandoned "Khrushchevkas" along the hills, cultural infrastructure = 0. The city-forming defense enterprises worked at 10%, and the pulp mill was closed by the "green" ones and it resembled the Chernobyl nuclear power plant on the banks of the Amur. However, since 2006, the Center's attention to the development of the region has increased (according to media reports)! We will not lose the pace - we will not lose the region!
  32. Khalmamed
    Khalmamed 22 September 2014 12: 04
    +1
    Posted by Sofa General, wrote a good article!

    but Dear YOU, keep in mind that among RUSSIANS and Russian Citizens of RUSSIA there are especially impressionable carcasses ready to be sold:
    1. RUSSIA rises due to GDP and Awareness of many.
    2. WE ARE NOT ONE SPAN of the Earth which is SPRAYED WITH THE BLOOD OF OUR GRANDFATES, we are not going to give.
    3. It seems that everything goes to an ideological clean-up "among the dreamers who have suggested to themselves that they are rich in candy wrappers and at least equal to GOD."
    4. I THINK that everything will work and settle .., PATIENCE!
  33. bmv04636
    bmv04636 22 September 2014 12: 04
    +2
    All of us are frightened by China, but China is populated on its territory extremely unevenly in the southern coastal zone, the maximum density, in inner Mongolia, the minimum. Rather, California will go under China than Siberia
  34. STi_v
    STi_v 22 September 2014 12: 05
    -1
    What is the gossip? The usual provocative article. Friendly relations between Russia and China are a bone in the throat of the State Department. I wonder how much money they have planned for such actions. While an inconspicuous little article, then a couple of disgruntled traders in the city market, restrained by low Chinese prices. a small whirlwind at customs and "quite by accident" with Chinese goods. The State Department is not asleep. And we shouldn't. Such authors - into oblivion!
  35. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 22 September 2014 12: 12
    +4
    Any country in the world is a potential enemy. Dot. What is there to discuss. And the fact that our people don’t go to Siberia and the Far East ... well ... what can I do ... there are salaries ... work can always be found ... but everyone needs to be closer to Moscow ... like it’s cool there. By the way, someone who solves the problem of a small number of inhabitants in Siberia and two ... should receive the order. And there’s only one recipe - high-tech enterprises .. with offices here .. but not in Moscow, but the services sector itself will come running ... and there are people. It is necessary to make two very important for the country in terms of industry of the 21st century. Japan is near there ... Yu.Korea ... who can get ideas ... Siberia is a petrochemical industry ... science .. you need to connect all three regions with strong, interdependent threads ... no ropes ... make the country truly unified. And, again, the ropes of the 21st century.
  36. viacheslav77
    viacheslav77 22 September 2014 12: 13
    +4
    Article - bullshit. The solid minus.
    Given the decline in the Russian population of the Far East and Siberia and the profits of the Chinese population, in the very near future, the Chinese will become the ethnic majority in these territories.

    I left home in Khabarovsk, looked for the Chinese - I did not find. He looked like he hadn’t yet. The Chinese, of course, are, but very few. Even fewer Chinese with Russian citizenship. I personally have not seen a single one. But there are many immigrants from Central Asia. 10 percent of the population.
    Otherwise, you can not even read, because the author does not own the question, but argues from a book on the Far East.
    Further, at the level of Yuzhno-Sakhalin, you can draw a horizontal line - this will be an approximate permafrost zone. In short, it's cold here. I will not develop the thought, it's a long time. Something like this.
  37. Nitarius
    Nitarius 22 September 2014 12: 16
    +1
    work is needed to increase the population!
    but with regards to lose .. well, I don’t know, I doubt it
    1. Stypor23
      Stypor23 22 September 2014 12: 35
      +2
      Quote: Nitarius
      work is needed to increase the population!

      Pharmacist, darling, save the nation. A condom before the sale, have a bite!. I think a very good slogan and a guide to action hi
  38. Gray-haired Siberian
    Gray-haired Siberian 22 September 2014 12: 22
    -1
    To the author - plus. Questions raised in fact relevant.
    But it’s not in a hurry that our government has something to attract the population beyond the Urals. Now they’ll say that you have a regional coefficient for wages - only our salary with a regional coefficient goes lower than in Central Russia without a regional coefficient (unless of course you some oilman). So people run to heat and money.
    But someone suggested that taxes beyond the Urals be completely canceled (from individuals, of course). In my opinion, a reasonable solution would be. In fact, it’s not enough, does the state have anything from the bowels of the Siberian-Far Eastern countries that would also take something from people ?! You look and people here would linger. And there, perhaps, they would at all have drawn here for a living.
    Of course I simplify greatly, but the idea itself is sensible in my opinion. It is only a pity that the government does not itch on this topic (maybe they really want to populate the hardworking Chinese).
    1. Second
      Second 22 September 2014 19: 24
      0
      Sorry, colleague, I wanted to put a plus, but came out a minus - I made a mistake. But already corrected. Sincerely.
  39. Second
    Second 22 September 2014 12: 24
    0
    The article is very relevant. Someone rushed to look for the Chinese in their street. Remember better about the Chinese army - it is not far. Armed with our best weapons. He sees perfectly for whom the oligarchy works. For them, a weak adversary is a sweet cake. A friend from Siberia came to me, so there the Chinese people say in person that they are building for themselves. All they get. Think of how many military intelligence agents there are among this mass of migrants in Siberia and the Far East. I have already written a lot that the Chinese have nowhere to go. They dirtied their territory. 750 thousand whales die from smog annually. And we have clean air, Baikal, etc. etc. Khabarovsk was covered by a fortified area. Where is this fortified area now? In the event of a war (God forbid), the Chinese landing party will explode in Khabarov and what, to beat nuclear weapons in Khabarovsk? We must fully strengthen the army and defense in the Far East and Siberia. THIS IS OUR ONE CHANCE TO RESIST CHINA.
  40. bekjan
    bekjan 22 September 2014 12: 26
    0
    According to the 1989 census, 1742 Chinese lived in the Far East, the bulk of which were concentrated in the Khabarovsk Territory, Primorye and Amur Region [source not specified 637 days]. Changes in the nature of immigration processes have led to a sharp change in the growth rate of the Chinese population in the region. Its number by 1990 increased to 15 thousand people. According to existing estimates, in 1993 there were at least 100 thousand Chinese citizens in the Far East [source not specified 637 days]. And so on a geometric progression .....
  41. fox14
    fox14 22 September 2014 12: 26
    0
    Chinese men don’t drink, drinks X ,, yen do not drink, they shot for traffic accidents in a state of intoxication, resulting in a tram ...
  42. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 22 September 2014 12: 26
    -1
    To scare us with the Chinese is a favorite topic of the liberal and anti-Russian media (periodically rise) .. The problem exists but not as much as they want to present it to us .. Washington is the main problem there has been and will be for Russia and not only .. (until it is destroyed)
  43. bekjan
    bekjan 22 September 2014 12: 27
    0
    According to official figures, in 2002, 14,3 thousand Chinese lived in the Siberian and Far Eastern Federal Districts [5]. According to historian V. Dyatlov, the number of Chinese is estimated from several hundred thousand to two million people. [3].
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 September 2014 12: 56
      +1
      Quote: bekjan
      . Dyatlov, the number of Chinese is estimated from several hundred thousand to two million people. [3].

      Yes, it’s up to your foot, where are they, WHERE?
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 22 September 2014 12: 58
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, it’s up to your foot, where are they, WHERE?

        They did a plastic surgery - straightened an eye incision - and got a Russian passport fellow
  44. Berved
    Berved 22 September 2014 12: 27
    +5
    To be honest, nonsense pops up with enviable regularity over the past 15-20 years. I live in Siberia, nearby Baikal, Siberians and Chinese who have got married, do not observe. At construction sites, markets, etc. more guys from Central Asia and the North Caucasus. Are popular in the repair, the citizens of North Korea. The creeping expansion of the Chinese - a bugbear for little-informed citizens of the Russian Federation west of the Urals.
    In China. Birth control is practically abolished. The population is aging. The Chinese are more likely to choose earnings directly in China, because earn more than in the cold RF. The bulk of the population of China is concentrated on the south coast and are heat-loving people. They are very frightened by the cold taiga.
    It is better to throw long-traveled propaganda stamps into the dustbin of history.
    Embracing the Chinese, of course, is not worth it - different mentality, but even so straightforwardly "nightmare" is not worth it.
  45. VSZMK
    VSZMK 22 September 2014 12: 28
    +1
    Do the Chinese themselves want to live in Siberia? They are better off on the shores of the Yellow Sea. The Chinese are more likely to go to Chinatowns scattered throughout Europe and the Americas than to build the BAM.
  46. PATTIY
    PATTIY 22 September 2014 12: 31
    +2
    The Chinese everywhere a lot all over the world, in all countries. Immensely.
    Another throw up here and in the media.
  47. Lenar
    Lenar 22 September 2014 12: 33
    0
    Very interesting question. Perhaps that is why they do not inhabit Siberia in order to avoid the formation of political forces there?

    However, one should understand that Siberia and its small peoples owe a lot to the Russians and Moscow. Another "Eurosupercivilization" would carve out the indigenous people, like the Indians in America, and proclaim itself a democratic state
  48. bekjan
    bekjan 22 September 2014 12: 34
    +2
    ... they [the Chinese] believe, continue to believe, it can be read in their textbooks that once the lands from Baikal and to the East they were in the sphere of influence of China and only then came to Russia. Interestingly, Chinese students are taught that OUR LAND belongs to them (the Chinese). Make a conclusion for yourself, and I will stand to our death for our Motherland, and for prevention, it is necessary to control the influx of Chinese and deport all who doubt that these lands belong to Our Orthodox Corps.
  49. bekjan
    bekjan 22 September 2014 12: 37
    +2
    Here is how the American political scientist, sociologist and statesman Zbigniew Brzezinski draws this problem:

    “If the space is empty, ask yourself how long it will remain empty? Look at the map and compare the sizes of Russian and non-Russian Asia. The Russian part is as great as the rest of Asia. And how many people inhabit it? Only 35 million people against 3,5-4 billion on the other hand. There is a powerful China with cities and roads, as in America. There is rising India, a promising Iran. If Russia can attract investment and people to its Far East and Siberia, send immigration flows there, well, then you have a future. You have talented people, a strong sense of national identity, but your old schemes isolate you and create a situation where all your neighbors do not like Russia and are afraid of it. [15]
  50. viacheslav77
    viacheslav77 22 September 2014 12: 39
    -1
    Quote: Second
    The article is very relevant. Someone rushed to look for the Chinese in their street. Remember better about the Chinese army - it is not far. Armed with our best weapons. He sees perfectly for whom the oligarchy works. For them, a weak adversary is a sweet cake. A friend from Siberia came to me, so there the Chinese people say in person that they are building for themselves. All they get. Think of how many military intelligence agents there are among this mass of migrants in Siberia and the Far East. I have already written a lot that the Chinese have nowhere to go. They dirtied their territory. 750 thousand whales die from smog annually. And we have clean air, Baikal, etc. etc. Khabarovsk was covered by a fortified area. Where is this fortified area now? In the event of a war (God forbid), the Chinese landing party will explode in Khabarov and what, to beat nuclear weapons in Khabarovsk? We must fully strengthen the army and defense in the Far East and Siberia. THIS IS OUR ONE CHANCE TO RESIST CHINA.

    So enlighten us how much.
    Just enlighten us, which army should we keep on the border of 1,5 billion China? Do you think there will be a difference between 20 and 100 thousand? But the fact that the army needs to be developed is understandable to everyone, but to rock the army on the readiness of war with any enemy is an arms race. Utopia.
    There is one more nuance. The Chinese have no hatred of the Russians. Unlike some of our neighbors.
    1. Second
      Second 22 September 2014 19: 37
      -1
      Quote: viacheslav77
      So enlighten us how much.

      Quote: viacheslav77
      The Chinese have no hatred of the Russians.

      Personally, it seems useless to explain to you. I'll try to others. As we were told their notorious "wave strategy". In short, the first, second, third wave - there is a mass of people very poorly armed (up to the sticks). Support for armored vehicles is minimal, and that old stuff is wild, artillery support is symbolic. It seems to be good for the defenders, you can mow down, shoot, minefields are working, in general, a bunch of corpses and we won. But everything is not so simple - ammunition is fired, combat positions are discovered, minefields are cleared. As a result, the combat potential of the defenders is reduced. And here the 4,5,6 wave comes into effect. But this is a regular army. Decently armed, with a bunch of ammunition, armored vehicles, artillery. And here it is very problematic to contain this mass, which is many times higher in quantity. Small units of the defenders, as a rule, cannot withstand such a massive blow and are destroyed. In our doctrine, fortified areas were supposed to wear down the Chinese. With the complete or partial capture of our fortified areas, tank armies were to be brought into battle. Plus the limited use of nuclear weapons.
      The main thing is to prevent the Chinese from entering large populated areas. Then the use of nuclear weapons is problematic. As for the Chinese love for Russians - those soldiers who were captured by them, they brutally tortured to death. From a lot of love, as I understand it.
      1. Knifebot.
        Knifebot. 22 September 2014 22: 16
        -1
        Quote: Second
        As we were told their notorious "wave strategy". In short, the first, second, third wave - there is a mass of people very poorly armed (up to the sticks). Support for armored vehicles is minimal, and that old stuff is wild, artillery support is symbolic.

        they were explaining some kind of fairy tale. Theirs waves are actually infantry waves that simply replace each other. so that the defenders are exhausted, and on the other side they are fresh all the time. And sticks and everything else is from the category of "rifle for three". Well, it is clear that this is unnecessary, they have artillery and all sorts of things.