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Spaceships for NASA will create "Boeing" and "SpaceX"

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The leadership of the US space agency NASA has chosen to build new spacecraft from Boeing and SpaceX. Next-generation ships will deliver American astronauts to the International Space Station, reports Interfax with reference to the agency's message.

Spaceships for NASA will create "Boeing" and "SpaceX"


Contracts with companies are valued at $ 6,8 billion (“SpaceX” - 2,4 billion and “Boeing” - 4,2 billion).

The launch of the first ship is supposed to be carried out in 2017. NASA will use the former space center located on Cape Canaveral (Florida) for this purpose.

After completing flights on the Shuttle space shuttles in 2011, US astronauts deliver Russian Soyuz missiles to orbit. One seat on a Russian ship costs NASA more than $ 70 million.
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  1. BYV
    BYV 17 September 2014 17: 50
    +8
    No ships! Only trampoline! laughing
    1. Sergei1982
      Sergei1982 17 September 2014 17: 53
      +3
      Let them refuse what the problem is, time will put everything in its place, they have already abandoned our engines and something that after a couple of weeks they allowed to deliver back.
      1. Minsk
        Minsk 17 September 2014 23: 52
        +1
        Where are they going to fly? Russia will take and flood the ISS.
    2. aleks 62
      aleks 62 17 September 2014 17: 55
      +7
      ..... Bo-o-o-o-o-o-o-big slingshot !!!!! ...... And 20 million Chinese ....... So pulled ....... wassat
      1. clidon
        clidon 17 September 2014 18: 43
        +1
        The Chinese are now our friends.
    3. enot73
      enot73 17 September 2014 18: 00
      +2
      Quote: BYV
      No ships! Only trampoline
      And to plow only the largest theater on Broadway bully
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 17 September 2014 18: 33
        +1
        Next-generation spacecraft will deliver American astronauts to the International Space Station

        Please give us a trampoline and a helmet! ... laughing
    4. Rus2012
      Rus2012 17 September 2014 18: 52
      +5
      Quote: BYV
      Only trampoline!

      I remember here "boiling water" were written by friends of the Yankees and NATO about something like that -

      The military made the Zlatoust railway station "invisible"

      Servicemen of the Yekaterinburg brigade of radiation, chemical and biological protection of the Central Military District (CVO) during a special tactical exercise with the help of an aerosol curtain hid the railway station "Zlatoust" (Chelyabinsk region) from an air strike of a simulated enemy. with a length of about 2 km and an altitude of up to 200 m.Thanks to this, within three hours, the station became invisible in the optical, infrared and radio ranges, which was confirmed by reconnaissance officers who flew over the terrain on Mi-8RKh helicopters. march of subunits of multiple launch rocket systems "Uragan" ", - said the official representative of the Central Military District, Colonel Yaroslav Roshchupkin. As representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation noted, over 400 servicemen and 95 units are taking part in the exercise. military and special equipment, it will end on September 18.

      Source: http://politikus.ru/army/30146-voennye-sdelali-nevidimoy-zh-d-stanciyu-zlatoust.



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      As you can see, we already have this technology 100 for lunch ... :)))
      And they are trying to find our "Poplar" in the fields as a satellite :)))
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 17 September 2014 19: 10
        0
        Quote: Rus2012
        As you can see, we already have this technology 100 for lunch ... :)))
        And they are trying to find our "Poplar" in the fields as a satellite :)))

        There’s nothing there! But visually, a cloud and this blue-gray fog can be observed! what
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 17 September 2014 20: 19
          +2
          Quote: Sid.74
          There’s nothing there! But visually, a cloud and this blue-gray fog can be observed!

          :)))
          When choosing patrol areas, those areas where there are not many sunny days are especially selected;) But they are clouds, and clouds ... go and determine where are natural, where are artificial ...
      2. clidon
        clidon 17 September 2014 20: 33
        -3
        For that matter, that is, radar satellites.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 17 September 2014 21: 21
          +2
          Quote: clidon
          For that matter, that is, radar satellites.

          we read especially carefully -
          station became invisible in optical, infrared and radio bands
          1. clidon
            clidon 17 September 2014 21: 37
            +1
            And how did it become invisible in the radar (and even all ranges)?
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 17 September 2014 22: 00
              +1
              Quote: clidon
              And how did it become invisible in the radar (and even all ranges)?

              but this makes up the vulture ...
              Read physics, 4 state of matter, thunderclouds, northern lights and more ...
              1. clidon
                clidon 17 September 2014 22: 07
                -1
                Such an adult, but believe in fairy tales. )
                1. Styx
                  Styx 17 September 2014 22: 35
                  +1
                  and a banal corner reflector will go for "the sun shines in the right voice"? :))))
                2. Rus2012
                  Rus2012 17 September 2014 22: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: clidon
                  Such an adult, and believe in fairy tales

                  If you follow your logic, then Shkval supersonic torpedoes are impossible, as well as ZGRLS, Caspian Monster and many other things. The atheist does not believe that there is a God. The ignorant does not see the connection between lightning and thunder ...

                  You do not believe that masking and distortion of the terrain through the use of special smokes, fogs and other effects are possible, including in the radio range. This is actually your problem, don’t you?

                  These works in the Union ... twenty years.
                  Maybe the rudimentary research of 3,14ndos is sweeter to you -
                  The US Navy has conducted tests of ship-based smoke absorbing carbon fiber generators, which can be used to protect naval vessels from anti-ship missiles with radar-guided sea and air-based missiles.
                  1. Styx
                    Styx 17 September 2014 23: 04
                    +1
                    the Americans are inventors, they couldn’t do a fake well laughing
                  2. clidon
                    clidon 18 September 2014 15: 36
                    -1
                    Epigraph: “We have such devices, but we won’t tell you about them!” )

                    If you follow your logic, then Shkval supersonic torpedoes are impossible, as well as ZGRLS, Caspian monster and many other things

                    And then rocket torpedoes, ekranoplanes and even more so radar? Did you not believe in them? By the way, where are those Flurries and Monsters?
                    And, yes, general secrecy is more about the times of the USSR. It is unlikely that secret, and even such breakthrough (sensation!) Technologies would begin to be shown to reporters in a routine manner. “Here we have invented such a miracle!” and shuffle with a leg.

                    The atheist does not believe that there is God. The ignoramus does not see the connection between lightning and thunder ...

                    Blessed are the believers ...

                    You do not believe that masking and distortion of the terrain through the use of special smokes, fogs and other effects are possible, including in the radio range. This is actually your problem, don’t you?

                    But who doubts that this is possible in principle - the cloud of foil threw away and hi, here’s a super-effect of protection against radar. The same thing is with the Americans - only those absorbing fibers. But all this blocks in the first very short time, in the second not in all ranges. Thirdly, I talked about a specific case of exercises, how to apply the proven technology - do you think that there the station is now cleaned of nanotubes? )

                    These works in the Union ... twenty years.
                    Maybe the initial studies of 3,14ndos are sweeter to you -

                    I will tell you a much more realistic picture. A regular aerosol generator was brought to the station - everything was smoky. Somewhere nearby, an electronic warfare system worked (possibly in a KShU format). Helicopter lifted into the air. Journalists were given a short press conference. "Closed the station in all ranges!". All satisfied zhurnalyugi ran to write a sensation. And no super-secret miracles like metal clouds, plasma blankets and the miracle of colors.
        2. GLUHOI
          GLUHOI 17 September 2014 21: 22
          0
          the station has become invisible in the optical, infrared and "radio bands" !!! IS THIS NOT A RADAR? belay where in quotation marks! winked
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 17 September 2014 22: 06
            0
            Quote: GLUHOI
            station became invisible in optical, infrared

            we are talking about masking and distorting the image of the Zlatoust railway station from aerospace observation of the unloading of the Grad, their number and the initial route ...
  2. MSA
    MSA 17 September 2014 17: 50
    +1
    Let's see what happens.
    1. avt
      avt 17 September 2014 18: 35
      -1
      Quote: MSA
      Let's see what happens.

      It turns out that after the "Clipper" we were going to do - a reusable capsule - the "Rus" apparatus.
  3. Belopolyak
    Belopolyak 17 September 2014 17: 50
    +1
    It’s a pity you shouldn’t let them stop using our equipment right now.
    1. vitamin ky
      vitamin ky 17 September 2014 19: 14
      +2
      interesting hmm came up with a workaround belay , heh, will they share the station? negative ,And How ? request , or ass about ass and will sit in the corners? laughing
      1. fiodor
        fiodor 17 September 2014 23: 12
        +2
        No, when passing from compartment to compartment, customs will be entered, and they will ask: do you carry drugs, pornography and other forbidden things? laughing everything is like on earth, each compartment has its own state lol it’s true how the compartments will be divided. The question is who is fatter and with the toilet, it’s advisable not to go abroad as needed laughing
        1. vitamin ky
          vitamin ky 18 September 2014 00: 28
          +2
          no, it’s not a finale of signiers — to me a Russian living in (ON) Ukraine — deep down I already feel sorry for the Yukosites (and this is my citizen in my country, not theirs) —they got into such a shnyag with Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine, debts and finally they something so fatally denied in recent times, and so confused with lies and fantasies that the clinic in my head becomes the norm, it’s just interesting to think of something else they’ll come up with, I’m really looking forward to it crying
          1. fiodor
            fiodor 18 September 2014 00: 41
            +1
            Here are cosmoshevskoy saga and have fun laughing mini globe in kind.
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  5. Vend
    Vend 17 September 2014 17: 54
    -1
    They are funny Americans. One place on our ship costs 70 billion, and they only allocated 6,8 billion for development. But then you will have to pay for the launch and for a bunch of things. Could it be that the descendants of Ukrainian immigrants now rule in NASA laughing
    1. vitamin923
      vitamin923 17 September 2014 18: 27
      +2
      70 millions, not lards :)
      1. Vend
        Vend 17 September 2014 18: 52
        0
        Quote: vitamin923
        70 millions, not lards :)

        Yes, you’re right, the mistake came out, distracted laughing
  6. Winged 38
    Winged 38 17 September 2014 17: 56
    0
    Are we going to supply them with OUR titanium for their new "trampolines"?
    I think not...
    1. clidon
      clidon 17 September 2014 18: 43
      +1
      They will buy another.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 17 September 2014 19: 49
      0
      Quote: Winged 38
      Are we going to supply them with OUR titanium for their new "trampolines"?

      We have developed the technology for MAKING LARGE PARTS FROM TITANIUM! Here we deliver them to the USA. They have their own titanium.
  7. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 17 September 2014 17: 57
    0
    I think that for Russia, 70 million is not such a big loss, but the American astronauts have not reached their goal more than once, the kingdom of heaven to them.
  8. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 17 September 2014 17: 57
    +7
    I dare to inquire, it will look like this ...
    1. Miron64
      Miron64 17 September 2014 18: 12
      +2
      Similarly, infa 100%! wassat
    2. Styx
      Styx 17 September 2014 18: 42
      +1
      laughing laughing laughing Is this a new upgraded top-secret Boeing project ???? belay well, monsters, just monsters of the mind !! das is fantastic! would not miss laughing
    3. RUSOIVAN
      RUSOIVAN 17 September 2014 19: 15
      0
      Patent urgently: you have money from them: don’t forget to send a share!))
  9. saag
    saag 17 September 2014 17: 58
    0
    I wonder what they were going to build, sort of like a "constellation", passed the information, did
    1. clidon
      clidon 17 September 2014 19: 02
      +2
      For flights to the ISS, they just chose a supplier - SpaceX or Boeing, and for long-distance flights, NACA makes "Orion". There are also private traders who offered their own options, but now they will either themselves or will cover up.
  10. andrei332809
    andrei332809 17 September 2014 18: 02
    0
    and what about the sanctions? how much time will they create without our engines and our titanium? You won’t build much on the legs
    1. clidon
      clidon 17 September 2014 19: 36
      +1
      They already have engines and pH and always had titanium. The question has always been only in value.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 17 September 2014 19: 54
      +3
      Quote: andrei332809
      how much time will they create without our engines and our titanium?

      This project will not have our engines, but they have their own titanium. Listen to some here, so everyone flies into space exclusively on our engines. Read more, be interested!
  11. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 17 September 2014 18: 03
    -2
    Well, they’ll set them up there, send them to the ISS, instead of the station they’ll fly somewhere into outer space .. damn ha ha specialists. They would learn how to build airplanes.
    1. Mairos
      Mairos 17 September 2014 18: 36
      +8
      Humor? Well then, why are we flying in their Boeing, and not they in our IL and Tu ?? We will soon forget how to build passenger planes. As for titanium, there is mutually beneficial cooperation. We will not do the details - there will be others, but we won’t get the currency. Alas, we still have a lot to buy abroad.
      1. Styx
        Styx 17 September 2014 18: 46
        +1
        Here I think the question is not whether we can or not, but who benefits from it! wink Medvedev’s one trump phrase doesn’t get out of his head: We can’t make our own planes - it starts to buy strangers! And why would it ?? MAYBE, then the dog then rummaged? laughing
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 17 September 2014 19: 57
        +3
        Quote: Mairos
        Humor?

        What else can clowns do? What is the horizon, such comments.
  12. svp67
    svp67 17 September 2014 18: 05
    +4
    That America will create its new spaceship, I have no doubt not for a minute. The question is only WHEN EXACTLY?
    1. clidon
      clidon 17 September 2014 19: 03
      +1
      Given that Dragon, in general, is already flying in the transport version, there are three or four years left to wait.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 September 2014 19: 40
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      That America will create its new spaceship, I have no doubt not for a minute. The question is only WHEN EXACTLY?

      Sergey, good evening! A spaceship is good. But who will put it into orbit before 2020? I think it's time to tie with RD-180! Prior to this, the states have successfully used their shuttles for these purposes. By 2006, total expenses amounted to 160 billion dollars and 115 launches were completed. The average cost for each flight amounted to 1,3 billion dollars. Despite the fact that the cost of each shuttle flight was about 450 million dollars, for providing 22 shuttle flights from the middle of 2005 year to 2010 year, NASA budgeted about 1 billion 300 million dollars. direct costs. The shuttle could deliver tons of cargo, including ISS modules, to the 20-25 ISS in one flight, and plus 7-8 astronauts. But the Space Transport System program was completed in 2011 and all the shuttles were decommissioned. The Americans fell into a dependent position and were forced to seek a way out of it. And he was found.
      Now the launch of a SpaceX rocket costs about $ 55 million, which is "half the launch of the European Arian and the Russian Proton, and in total the States are going to reduce the cost of putting the cargo into orbit by 10 times." US media report:
      "Delivery of cargo into orbit by a Falcon rocket currently costs $ 1 per kilogram, while at the launch of Protons this figure fluctuates in the range of $ 455-2. Therefore, NASA hopes to arrange the delivery of astronauts to the ISS in 600. private spaceships such as SpaceX ".
      The problem of national dvigla for launch vehicles is also addressed.
      Blue Origin, along with Boeing and Lockheed Martin, will participate in a joint project of the United Launch Alliance to develop a rocket engine instead of the Russian RD-180. Blue Origin already has a prototype of such an engine BE-3 for the planned New Shephard space capsule. A liquid hydrogen engine was successfully tested for the first time in December 2013. The Americans themselves (NASA) determined the cost of the program in 1,3 billion and 6 years for R&D.
      1. Styx
        Styx 17 September 2014 20: 45
        0
        and if you compare not with the proton launches, but with the alliance launches? did not try? wink
    3. doctor
      doctor 17 September 2014 22: 22
      0
      I am for no when. They won’t succeed in kuya.
  13. Aydar
    Aydar 17 September 2014 18: 06
    +13
    If you look soberly, without hurray-patriotic pathos and leavened mockery of the type - our Unions are the most allied and Kalash-Kalashists, then the United States can still offer a talented scientist much more than the Russian Federation, this is a decent salary and the possibility of implementing the most daring experiments and recognition of merits with from the side of the whole world. And what can the Russian Federation offer other than hurray-patriotism and promises "about a bright future" and "enemies who are not asleep"?
    Given the scientific and technical potential of Boeing, this is a very feasible task - in fact, Boeing is a global aircraft empire which employs hundreds of engineers and scientists from Japan to India.
    1. Russian Uzbek
      Russian Uzbek 17 September 2014 18: 22
      +4
      no one doubts that the Yankees will build, before that they built! the question is price! how much will it cost and will it be affordable? a debt of 17 trules and problems in the economy, after all, they have not gone anywhere ...
      1. dna
        dna 17 September 2014 18: 33
        +1
        The external component is 35% of the force, so you can forget about 17 tricks. 11 tricks should be their own. China holds less than 8%. And, by the way, everyone continues to buy at a price higher than the nominal with great pleasure, so they obviously do not worry that the states will not return.
      2. Nayhas
        Nayhas 17 September 2014 18: 41
        +1
        Quote: Russian Uzbek
        no one doubts that the Yankees will build, before that they built! the question is price! how much will it cost and will it be affordable?

        Boeing and SpaceX are private companies.
        1. Russian Uzbek
          Russian Uzbek 17 September 2014 20: 26
          +1
          and their state finances! and the state will also purchase
          1. alex86
            alex86 17 September 2014 23: 16
            0
            Quote: Russian Uzbek
            financed by their state

            No, the state finances only Lockheed (Orion), and these are developed for their own money. And by 20 the States will (possibly) have 5 types of manned ships. And the current aggravation of Russian-American relations is accelerating their development. So we need not to act like a fool, but to prepare for the fact that we will remain with good, but outdated technology or move the Angara and Rus (I don’t understand why there are 2 types of launch vehicles), as well as finally have a program for the development of Russian space for sane purposes.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 18 September 2014 06: 59
              0
              Quote: alex86
              and these are being developed for their money.

              Therefore, there will be more sense - they know how to count their money and there can be no talk about any "cuts".
    2. vitamin923
      vitamin923 17 September 2014 18: 36
      0
      Quote: Aydar
      and recognition of merits from the sotorons of the whole world.

      Yes, they even Klitschko (with a small letter, he still does not understand :)) can give a peace prize. And what is it really? I think everyone knows perfectly well (the official bribe was given to G.M.S. at one time), but cheers to patriotism are history and respect for centuries as a Queen
    3. Privat
      Privat 17 September 2014 19: 16
      +1
      Quote: Aydar
      ... The United States so far can offer a talented scientist much more than the Russian Federation, this is a decent salary and the ability to implement the most daring experiments and recognition of merits from the Sotorons of the whole world.
      These are all dreams from the series "how good it is where we are not" and fairy tales about sweet western life.
      And like everything in reality, you can find it here:
      http://www.boeing.ru/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%82%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D1
      %83%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B8/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%83%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D1%82%D0
      %B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B8-%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%
      82% D1% 80
      This is what they offer. You can even leave your resume there. And if they hire, you will work here, and the salary will be at the local level (about 40-50 thousand rubles, which is more than average for Moscow).
      And for the positions of top managers with millionth salaries, they and their applicants are above the roof.
      And something tells us that it is such simple engineers in our country and in other countries who will develop the spacecraft, which will later be called American.
      It's a shame ...
  14. Mol
    Mol 17 September 2014 18: 06
    0
    Something Space X strongly looks like Pepelats. It seems that our Americans not only delivered rocket engines! Pepelats x laughing
  15. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 17 September 2014 18: 09
    -4
    Quote: BYV
    No ships! Only trampoline!


    Only Hardcore !!!
    1. vitamin923
      vitamin923 17 September 2014 18: 39
      +3
      You can not laugh at the dead, even if he is an enemy.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 17 September 2014 18: 54
        0
        Quote: vitamin923
        You can not laugh at the dead, even if he is an enemy.


        he is not just an enemy ... he is a punisher ... a killer of peaceful women and children .....

        died like a stinking dog ... in vain they took it off, if it had been fun in the sun, VALYALIA !!!!!
  16. Russian Uzbek
    Russian Uzbek 17 September 2014 18: 20
    0
    here, after all, the main question is price! The cheapest and most reliable option is ours! How much will a dragon or space fly?
    1. dna
      dna 17 September 2014 18: 38
      +3
      What difference does it make when you pay your own citizens, who then pay taxes from this salary and spend this money in their own economy? The state is not a business, profit is not needed, but the economy needs to be stimulated.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 September 2014 19: 43
      +1
      Quote: Russian Uzbek
      The cheapest and most reliable option is ours! How much will a dragon or space fly?

      This, unfortunately, is an erroneous opinion.
      "Delivery of cargo into orbit by a Falcon rocket currently costs $ 1 per kilogram, while at the launch of Protons this figure fluctuates in the range of $ 455-2. Therefore, NASA hopes to arrange the delivery of astronauts to the ISS in 600. private spaceships such as SpaceX ".
      1. Styx
        Styx 17 September 2014 21: 18
        -1
        And this is also a misconception lol
      2. Styx
        Styx 17 September 2014 22: 00
        0
        stop
        It is assumed that the minimum price per kilogram of payload for both launch vehicle options will be $ 3273–3365 / kg for HEO and $ 7826–11000 / kg for GPO. [For Falcon 9,
        Wiki links
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9
        what
        ehehe, muzhuki, everything is up to you to put things in order :))) and your links to 2 kopecks per ton are possible, pliiiz? lol
      3. Wheel
        Wheel 17 September 2014 22: 34
        +1
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        This, unfortunately, is an erroneous opinion.
        "Delivery of cargo into orbit by a Falcon rocket currently costs $ 1 per kilogram, while at the launch of Protons this figure fluctuates in the range of $ 455-2. Therefore, NASA hopes to arrange the delivery of astronauts to the ISS in 600. private spaceships such as SpaceX ".

        And why is the launch of the falcon compared with the proton?
        And then, to date, cargo delivery with a falcon does not cost anything, because there was nothing other than test launches.
        How much will it cost in realities - we will see.
        1. Styx
          Styx 17 September 2014 22: 37
          0
          exactly! and they zamusnuyut me! recourse
          but I’m good, word of honor! repeat
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 18 September 2014 12: 19
          0
          Quote: Wheel
          for there was nothing besides the test launches.

          In May 2012, a test launch of the Dragon truck was carried out by the Falkon rocket, 520 kg were delivered to the ISS. cargo. The first "commercial" launch of the spacecraft to the ISS was made on October 7, 2012. The launch took place from the Cape Canaveral launch site in Florida at 20:35 local time. The Dragon spacecraft docked with the ISS on October 10 and delivered approximately 450 kilograms of payload to the ISS, including materials for 166 scientific experiments. Back to Earth "Dragon" successfully returned about 900 kilograms of cargo, including decommissioned parts of the station, as well as over 330 kilograms of scientific research results. The spacecraft undocked from the ISS on October 28, 2012 at 17:29 Moscow time, and returned to Earth after splashing down in the Pacific Ocean at 23:22 Moscow time, at a distance of about 300 km from the California coast.
  17. argon
    argon 17 September 2014 18: 20
    0
    Quote: Wend
    They are funny Americans. One place on our ship costs 70 billion, and they only allocated 6,8 billion for development. But then you will have to pay for the launch and for a bunch of things. Could it be that the descendants of Ukrainian immigrants now rule in NASA laughing

    Well 70 green lard one place in the Union is not worth it. So far, only 70 lyam.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 September 2014 19: 46
      +1
      Quote: argon
      So far, only 70 lyamov.

      Today prices are rising in space as well. 1st place at Soyuz is already worth $ 71 million. INFLATION! but!
  18. dna
    dna 17 September 2014 18: 22
    -3
    NASA scientists and engineers have long wanted to spit on people in space. It does not actually bring any benefits. All astro / astronauts are by and large tourists, but they send them for show-offs. Everything interesting from a research point of view is made by a technique which is not necessary to be protected in this way, and then you can throw it away.
    1. Styx
      Styx 17 September 2014 18: 53
      0
      But why do they need a tada basic module of the ISS, on which it seems like people, not technology, and which was built, although in Russia, but with Amer’s money? I have a problem wink what
      1. dna
        dna 17 September 2014 21: 49
        0
        That's why I wrote "NASA scientists and engineers", not "NASA". NASA, like any organization of sufficient size, is not monolithic. Officials and politicians like to send people into space because it's "cool". Indeed, during the Cold War, this brought both the USSR and the States massive political dividends, in terms of satisfying their own society. But people in space do not bring any scientific benefit, and sending them (and most importantly bringing them back) is terribly expensive. And the dividends are not the same for a long time, since these people have been sticking out in the same sealed troughs for decades and are not doing anything new.
        1. Styx
          Styx 17 September 2014 22: 19
          0
          say speak - I always yawn when I'm interested laughing
          1. dna
            dna 17 September 2014 22: 25
            -1
            Well, if it’s not at all interesting, then there’s no need to comment?
            1. Styx
              Styx 17 September 2014 22: 29
              0
              I like to make fun of :))) but there is talk about disinterest? :))))
    2. denis053
      denis053 17 September 2014 22: 01
      +2
      Astronaut Buzz Aldrin explained why Alan Shepard became the first American in space: “Actually,” he said, “they wanted to send a monkey, but there were a lot of letters to NASA in defense of animal rights, and not one came in defense of Shepard ... So he and flew. " smile
    3. Wheel
      Wheel 17 September 2014 22: 36
      0
      Quote: dna
      NASA scientists and engineers have long wanted to spit on people in space. It does not actually bring any benefits. All astro / astronauts are by and large tourists, but they send them for show-offs. Everything interesting from a research point of view is made by a technique which is not necessary to be protected in this way, and then you can throw it away.

      When something doesn’t work out very well - at once there is a thousand and one reason to announce that this is done only for show-offs.
      1. Styx
        Styx 17 September 2014 22: 39
        -1
        and especially Americans love to scream about it! :) and especially in Hollywood blockbusters!
        there that is not a GAME so one seven beats :))
  19. denis053
    denis053 17 September 2014 18: 23
    +1
    Read about what SpaceX is smile
    This office was created long ago under the drank of NASA's budget on the side. This is just a private shop!
    "what races !? what to win ?!" (c) Goblin
    What kind of ships are shmarables ?? smile
    Under the background of anti-Russian hysteria, they decided to cut some more money smile

    Here is a link to the success story of the founder of this SpaceX
    http://disgustingmen.com/ilon-mask-i-spacex-kak-mechtyi-malchika-iz-yuar-prevrat
    ilis-v-realnost /
  20. mivmim
    mivmim 17 September 2014 18: 23
    0
    Well, the trampoline has already been invented. It remains the case for small. lol
  21. Aydar
    Aydar 17 September 2014 18: 26
    0
    Quote: Wend
    They are funny Americans. One place on our ship costs 70 billion, and they only allocated 6,8 billion for development. But then you will have to pay for the launch and for a bunch of things. Could it be that the descendants of Ukrainian immigrants now rule in NASA laughing

    Quote: Wend
    They are funny Americans. One place on our ship costs 70 billion, and they only allocated 6,8 billion for development. But then you will have to pay for the launch and for a bunch of things. Could it be that the descendants of Ukrainian immigrants now rule in NASA laughing

    It looks like the descendants of the Ukrainians were with you. Sorry, but you, as a real Ukrainian, mocking the Americans with a mockery, consider the launch price in dollars - that is, the American currency. A prostitute probably also reasoned about giving herself to a client whom she may be and hates, but he pays, and even in bucks. Eliminate the complex of jealousy and hatred for the more successful ones, because many Russians are like ukrov-Ukrainians hate and envy Russians and Russians hate and envy the whole world - from ovs, Fritzs, frogs, narrow-eyed, you can continue to list and list.
    1. biron
      biron 17 September 2014 18: 43
      0
      If you go through the western brothels, so most of the priestesses of love are Ukrainian, why would it ....
    2. Styx
      Styx 17 September 2014 18: 58
      0
      and you all worry about Nashinsky dislike of amers (read, podlosaksam)? this dislike is like more than one century already, from the time of quite successful ones, to say the Peter wink
  22. Aydar
    Aydar 17 September 2014 18: 32
    0
    Quote: Russian Uzbek
    no one doubts that the Yankees will build, before that they built! the question is price! how much will it cost and will it be affordable? a debt of 17 trules and problems in the economy, after all, they have not gone anywhere ...

    They will invent the technology, work it out, create the drawings, the design layout, find the fuel formula - others, the same Japanese, for example, or the Koreans who can buy, can embody.
    1. Russian Uzbek
      Russian Uzbek 17 September 2014 18: 39
      0
      What about the price? how much will the launch cost? what will be the efficiency?
      so far only the amount allocated for the construction is known - 6.8 billion, most likely it will not be enough
    2. avt
      avt 17 September 2014 19: 29
      +3
      Quote: Aydar
      They will invent the technology, work it out, create the drawings, the design layout, find the fuel formula - others, the same Japanese, for example, or the Koreans who can buy, can embody.

      Yeah. But only after von Braun, for some reason, they do not do anything new. Basically, everything that is in sight - the ISS, the X-37, and this project is the work of the last century, and ours, the ISS did and was taken out. we made orders for the rover. Well, about the "implementation by others" laughing I was very touched by the sincere, blind faith in the "world distribution of labor" through transnational corporations and a single center of control. For some reason, everyone stubbornly kicks off globalization and somehow strives to keep strategic areas under national control. Yes, and the US voiced in the person of Hussein Obamovich and Why did they take a course towards the development of OWN production, in the sense of trying to return everything that is really something that makes something that transnationals stole across China. But it will hardly work, this is a humanitarian who did not hold iron in his hands and does not know production, so I will order, I will shout a terrible cry I cough up money - everyone will come running and according to the pike velenib, according to my desire they will do everything in a moment. But no! Do not believe me? Look at the LADY and his puffing of cheeks - right now, kaaak, we will establish a mass production of Tu-204! But hell! The chains are production tore up and make 1-2 airplanes a year by the piece, and even from the old groundwork! What to do - a lawyer. From an engineer a lawyer you can easily what a political scientist to do, but the opposite! laughing Here it is necessary to start with secondary education - to refresh, and even to study for 6 years, and it is advisable that I work in an intelligent year 3. Well then, it can at least speculate on a technical topic more or less competently.
      1. dna
        dna 17 September 2014 22: 01
        -1
        But only after von Braun why didn’t they do anything new


        Do not make people laugh. Americans invented shuttles. And the benefit of this enterprise was not that they learned how to make cool spaceships, but that they developed a bunch of new materials and new electronics for this business. And orbital mechanics has already been mastered for a long time, here it is difficult to achieve special new achievements. That is why this area is moving into the private sector. Not because Boeing and SpaceX hope to cash in on the government (there are a lot of simpler ways), but because they want to do business on commercial delivery to orbit and on space tourism. And contracts from NASA are just startup capital, since ships should already fly safely before someone buys a ticket, for themselves or for their expensive space satellite.
        1. Styx
          Styx 17 September 2014 22: 08
          +1
          Are you talking about the shuttles that the German uncle invented with a sewing name such as senger? :)))
        2. avt
          avt 17 September 2014 22: 11
          +1
          Quote: dna
          Do not make people laugh. Americans invented shuttles

          To begin with, in addition to Wikipedia, take the trouble to find out who did what and when, which project he led, well, and then we will talk specifically - which Americans and specifically invented and did.
        3. Styx
          Styx 17 September 2014 22: 58
          +1
          in general, the shuttle is a super expensive space hearse, the kingdom of heaven to the dead astronauts, who were killed by this crap more than all the other ships combined;)
    3. Wheel
      Wheel 17 September 2014 22: 39
      +2
      Quote: Aydar
      They will invent the technology, work it out, create the drawings, the design layout, find the fuel formula - others, the same Japanese, for example, or the Koreans who can buy, can embody.

      Space technology was traded only in Russia at EBNe, and Ruin.
      No one else sold or sold anything to anyone.
      Guess three times why?
  23. Krsk
    Krsk 17 September 2014 18: 32
    0
    Quote: MSA
    Let's see what happens.


    Well, as usual, the most
  24. biron
    biron 17 September 2014 18: 38
    -2
    Mattresses in their stupid films are simply geniuses, and here they’ll pick up something.
  25. Seva
    Seva 17 September 2014 18: 39
    -2
    They will, they will start the current in Hollywood - all the specialists they have there))
  26. Cenij150814
    Cenij150814 17 September 2014 18: 54
    +4
    It seems that almost all gathered here children most importantly Ukrainian the comments are full of malice, the impression of a battlefield serving for complacency, comrades "When preparing for the defense, it is always better to assume the enemy is much stronger than he seems, while neglect is easy to become like a curmudgeon who, by saving a piece of something, spoils the whole dress" "Shakespeare" you think so what that they were constantly catching up with us, and not us!
    1. Styx
      Styx 17 September 2014 21: 14
      -1
      Well, then yes: to compare heavy rocket launchers with light - some kind of kindergarten :)))
      1. Styx
        Styx 17 September 2014 21: 26
        -1
        Well, harasho, harasho, medium with heavy, it became easier? :)))))))
  27. targitai
    targitai 17 September 2014 18: 57
    +3
    You read komenty directly do not know what to think. As if from our orbiting telescopes we are taking pictures universally, and our Mars rover is now on Mars ... Our space industry has turned into a minibus.
    1. Styx
      Styx 17 September 2014 19: 05
      0
      you know, I thought and we have fig roads, until I drove from north to south: beautiful! maybe there is hope?
  28. pahom54
    pahom54 17 September 2014 19: 33
    -1
    If tomorrow the states are denied the supply of rocket engines and the transportation of their crews from the Ministry of Emergencies to here and there (what kind of Ministry of Emergencies, when it has long been staffed!), From tomorrow, and that our decision is not subject to discussion, how will it be accepted?
    They plan to develop and build their spacecraft by the end of the 17th year. Here is the flag in their hands!
    Losing a station for them will cost a decent amount, and they like candy wrappers ...
    1. clidon
      clidon 17 September 2014 21: 16
      0
      They already have Delta 4 and Falcon-9. Therefore, military vehicles and the fact that they simply need blood from the nose they will deliver. Plus there is a reserve of our engines for two to three years.
      But the manned program is easily either suspended or curtailed. But who will be bad-good from this? There are our European and Japanese segments - and in general it is "an outpost of humanity in space", that is, science. The loss will be heavy for everyone.
      1. dna
        dna 17 September 2014 22: 15
        -1
        and in general it is "an outpost of humanity in space", that is, science. The loss will be heavy for everyone.


        I agree that many people will suffer economic damage, but there is no science there. These steps forward in astromechanics and engineering, such as flying to Mars with refueling on the Moon, everyone still makes separately: what are the States, what is China.
    2. dna
      dna 17 September 2014 22: 09
      -1
      Losing a station for them will cost a decent amount

      How is this? Do you think they make money at the station? To lose a station is to plug a giant pipe into which money flows. It may be insulting, but not unprofitable.
  29. mitrich
    mitrich 17 September 2014 19: 41
    +7
    Comments are mostly stupid-cheers-patriotic. And the people here are mostly solid, military ... Strange. request
    The fact that A.Mers will create a capsule is not to go to the fortuneteller. And they will do it faster, more technologically and more advanced than we are trying (and where is our "Clipper", "Russia" and others? ...). We have been creating the hangar for decades and it already costs unrealistic money.
    And yusovtsy "Dragon" for several years made. And the previous participant correctly noted that they are in deep space (already outside the solar system) and on Mars for how many years large and small theaters have been surfing, they have all sorts of bombardment of comets and Hubble-Shmabla ...
    And we have: the enchanting jump "Phobos-Grunt" and no less spectacular launches of the falling "Protons"?
    With pride in humanity in space, you can only follow the Amer’s success ...
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 17 September 2014 20: 01
      +1
      You are a plus. And the space program is about new jobs and new technologies that will then spread to other industries, including those not related to space. good But if only they would not outsource again all this to some thread of turkeys and chinas ... request negative am
  30. Dart_Veyder
    Dart_Veyder 17 September 2014 19: 55
    0
    Personally, I am impressed by space-x with their quite successful attempts to return the steps back, which significantly delays the process. I will also smile that they do not patent their inventions because "patents for the Chinese are like a cookbook."
    1. avt
      avt 17 September 2014 20: 32
      +1
      Quote: Dart_Veyder
      Personally, space-x impresses me with their very successful attempts to return the steps back,

      And you are not impressed by the fact that in general they already had all this on the Shuttle? Well with accelerators? What is the new hava then? Is it that they shoot old accelerators in the form of the first stage, or are they going to continue this "new" solution with a "fundamentally new apparatus"? laughing
      Quote: Dart_Veyder
      I will also smile that they do not patent their inventions because "patents for the Chinese are like a cookbook."

      Yeah! Slam something from the patent and start production!? This is strong! laughing They do not patent only because actually there is nothing to patent. And then why spend money on legal protection of what is not through patenting? It would be something - they would grab onto the issued paper like a tick and sue the dough more than they would raise it on the invention.
    2. Styx
      Styx 17 September 2014 23: 01
      0
      Quote: Dart_Veyder
      which greatly simplifies the process

      and paste to 30% reduces the payload .....
  31. Junior, I
    Junior, I 17 September 2014 19: 57
    -2
    Munchausen flew at the core, even if they fly.
    And it’s time to cover up the international station for the USA and the EU. We now have China friends.
  32. alone
    alone 17 September 2014 20: 34
    +4
    In connection with a heated discussion, I can’t help but quote a flock of knowledgeable people. Here is what http://e-super.livejournal.com/454228.html writes (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001568114082) :
    The American Falcon 9R launch vehicle crashed today. It is also called the "Proton-M killer", as it is, they say, several times cheaper and will ruin the Russian project over time. The founder of the American company explained the accident as follows: "A rocket is a tricky thing ...".

    I specifically climbed onto the Internet to watch the reaction of our public. Here is the famous singer Makarevich writes:

    The Falcon fell. I wrote a letter to President Obama. We haven't experienced such shame since Apollo 13. If Obama cannot restore order in the rocket and space industry, he must leave ... ".

    Here Shenderovich echoes him:

    "Ahahaha! Hundreds of millions of dollars have evaporated in the atmosphere, but who expected anything else? While the bolts are hammered with sledgehammers, and there are crooks and thieves in NASA, the rockets will continue to fall!" ...

    Come on, I'm kidding. Nobody has written or will write anything. It is clear to the entire civilized community that this is a sabotage by Igor "Strelkov" Girkin. American satellites recorded the launch from the Buk-1M installation in the area of ​​the Belarusian coast. Soon we will be provided with the data of the decryption of the flight recorders of the Falcon rocket and the interception of the negotiations between Girkin and Putin, giving the command to destroy the carrier rocket. Rogozin come - put things in order.

    PS. For those who are not in the know, the Falcon 9R is a rocket, on the first stage of which there are 9 Merlin 1C engines immediately, which creates known problems with the synchronization of their work, vibration and rocket buildup due to pulsation of engine thrust. These nine engines create traction about the same as one Russian RD-180 engine, the installation of which would not only solve stability problems, but also be trite cheaper. Moreover - Merlin-1C engines are a prehistoric wretchedness, they have low efficiency, which is why the rocket is forced to drag on itself and spend a lot of excess fuel. Compare:

    The pressure in the combustion chamber is 67 atm (Merlin-1C) versus 263 atm for the RD-180, the gas expansion ratio is 14.5 (Merlin-1C) versus 36.87 for the RD-180. In general, such a level of pressure in the combustion chamber as that of Merlin is the technology of the early 60s. And this is so - in fact it is a stolen engine from NASA, once developed for the lunar module under the Apollo program.

    It is clear that 9 engines, even such primitive ones, are more expensive than one. And in order to provide an acceptable economy for the rocket, the Americans came up with the idea of ​​reusing the spent engines. At first, they wanted to land the first stage by parachute into the sea - but then they had to move on to landing the spent stage on the ground, for which they attached terrible shock-absorbing "legs" to the first stage and invented to slow down its landing by turning on the engines on the remains of kerosene. Actually, Falcon 9R (Reusable) is the first version of such a rocket with legs and re-use of motors.

    The result exploded in the sky. And what do you want from second-ear engines?
    1. Styx
      Styx 17 September 2014 20: 51
      -1
      and Ava is cool, I haven’t seen one like this :))))
      1. Styx
        Styx 17 September 2014 21: 30
        0
        Ha, I’m wondering, what kind of shushera has ousted everyone here ??? Is it somehow you can find out ???
      2. alone
        alone 17 September 2014 21: 33
        +1
        I personally did it with my own hands. For the sake of fun.
  33. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 18 September 2014 18: 30
    0
    Quote: Rus2012
    Quote: BYV
    Only trampoline!

    I remember here "boiling water" were written by friends of the Yankees and NATO about something like that -

    The military made the Zlatoust railway station "invisible"

    Servicemen of the Yekaterinburg brigade of radiation, chemical and biological protection of the Central Military District (CVO) during a special tactical exercise with the help of an aerosol curtain hid the railway station "Zlatoust" (Chelyabinsk region) from an air strike of a simulated enemy. with a length of about 2 km and an altitude of up to 200 m.Thanks to this, within three hours, the station became invisible in the optical, infrared and radio ranges, which was confirmed by reconnaissance officers who flew over the terrain on Mi-8RKh helicopters. march of subunits of multiple launch rocket systems "Uragan" ", - said the official representative of the Central Military District, Colonel Yaroslav Roshchupkin. As representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation noted, over 400 servicemen and 95 units are taking part in the exercise. military and special equipment, it will end on September 18.

    Source: http://politikus.ru/army/30146-voennye-sdelali-nevidimoy-zh-d-stanciyu-zlatoust.




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    As you can see, we already have this technology 100 for lunch ... :)))
    And they are trying to find our "Poplar" in the fields as a satellite :)))



    And how does this "cloud" interfere with the impact of warheads on previously known coordinates?
    1. clidon
      clidon 18 September 2014 20: 35
      0
      No, it doesn’t hurt, the television will have problems. And so it will be necessary to jam the GPS signal ...