Gorbachev we owe to the fact that Russia almost lost its sovereignty

It is to Gorbachev that we owe the fact that Russia almost lost its sovereignty. And this largely explains why Mikhail Sergeyevich enjoys much more respect in the West than he did in his homeland: no one in the world needs a strong Russia, said Sergei Neverov.

During the years of Gorbachev’s rule, we lost a country called the Soviet Union, and then almost lost Russia, when the economic crisis began, hundreds of thousands of enterprises across the country stood up, didn’t pay people for months, and tried to take the state apart. This was announced on Monday, 25 July, acting secretary of the Presidium of the General Council of "United Russia" Sergei Neverov, commenting on the ER.RU assessment given in an interview on Saturday with the ex-president of the USSR to the leadership of the country, "United Russia" and the All-Russian Popular Front:

“Let's remember what the years of the rule of Mikhail Gorbachev and the decisions he made are connected with ... We lost a country that was called the Soviet Union. And then they almost lost Russia when the crisis began in the economy, hundreds of thousands of enterprises across the country stood up, people were not paid wages for months, and the government tried to pull apart in parts. They were able to save the country only thanks to a tough stance and policy that Vladimir Putin began to implement, and then Dmitry Medvedev-Vladimir Putin continued the tandem.

It is to Gorbachev that we owe the fact that Russia almost lost its sovereignty. And this largely explains why in the West Mikhail Sergeyevich enjoys much more respect than in his homeland: no one in the world needs a strong Russia.

One can argue for a long time about whether a person who pompously celebrates his anniversary in London, categorically declare what the Russian people want or do not want. People expressed their opinion on this matter, supporting Vladimir Putin, "United Russia" in the years when it was not easy: it was necessary to assemble the country, restore the economy, overcome poverty. Vladimir Putin was able to do it. Today he sets new goals. What is happening now is a huge step forward in the development of democracy and civil society.

For the first time in the framework of the All-Russian Popular Front, we openly, with the participation of representatives of the whole society, elect candidates to the country's main legislative body. Today there are many new interesting ideas, suggestions for solving problems that concern people. Such an approach will provide an opportunity to form the power not only popular, but also effective. "

Comments

[figwam]

Bullshit, lies, stupidity.

[Max79]

I agree on one thing - Gorbachev s..ka and pi ... races. It was with him, rightly, the mighty USSR collapsed. The rest of the author of those lines, frankly licks well ... ny "great tandem". First to Putin, then to Medvedev, then both at once. If the respected Sergei Neverov were just an ordinary worker, or a peasant, I think such words, he would not have said.
You would be respected on our common grounds, and the salary is not like yours. After a month, if you survive, write your opinion a second time.

[Siberian]

Gorby is to blame for one thing (in my opinion) that he did not tackle EBN in time. He played with him in democracy and partnership. After the GKChP, he did not have to drool, but to chop the traitors' head.
Remember, my friends, the USSR just finished off the EBN together with its drinking companions - Shushkevich and Kravchuk. Shizdets economy came under EBN. It was under this faithful son of the CPSU that people stopped paying wages, servicemen were paid for several months (or even years). It was this "Ural horse" who staged the execution of parliament in 1993, the Chechen massacre in 1994, and so on.
His protégé first gifted him and his entire family, including grandchildren, with truly royal privileges, and now they also erect monuments.
So, Mr. Neverov needs to carefully study the history of the country, especially the latest. And I am not defending Gorbachev, he is also that shot. It's just that these high-ranking activists, "Edros", are ready to blame everything on others, only to wash themselves of shit before the elections.

[stas]

I believe that Gorbachev, EBN, VVP, DAM and naturally "United Russia" a member of which Mr. Neverov is, are a continuation of each other. And now they simply imitate words and actions to attract voters to their side before the elections to the State Duma.

[escobar]

Absolute heresy. Pyandysh Yeltsin granted everyone sovereignty. Then, trying to fix his dubious mistakes, he plunged the country into a civil war. Maybe everyone forgot about the South Ural Republic, independent Tatarstan and Yakutia. He gave it, so they all started rowing. Gorbachev’s tragedy is in weakness and pseudo-demacrotic. , Th and took advantage of the whitewash bastards.

[svvaulsh]

Obviously a PR move. The election campaign has begun !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[merkawa]

Nda we rarely had luck with the rulers from King Pea probably Recently, they’ve generally been clogged with their revolution-revolutions and talked about politics mainly in the kitchen or under the covers And now, at least dawdle, at least sign up, type democracy. Well, and everything else, the pre-election processing, as sad as it sounds

[APASUS]

I think that Gorbachev was an "agent of influence", I don’t know who he plowed for, the Americans or the British, but he does not change the essence of this. There was no logic in his actions, he simply released the brakes and waited until everything collapsed! He did not deal with economics at all! , it was under him that a huge external debt began to accumulate. Delusional ideas - The fight against drunkenness, the housing program. The whole set of his talking shop is a method of powdering the brain, distracting the people from the real problems of the country.
And no wonder that his next anniversary was now celebrated in London!

[Oleg]

And you will think, according to the results of the deed, who is worse than Stalin, or Gorbachev.

[Sorry]

Enough time has passed and you can somehow cool down and look soberly at the situation with the collapse of the USSR. Firstly, the USA and Europe and the Vatican needed it. The CPSU lost the cold war. And this is the main reason for the death of the Union. And Gorbachev at that time successfully fit into this design. But, however, he did his utmost to save the Union. Remember his speeches in Vilnius, in the Supreme Council. But Ved and Ogorevo were planned. Secondly, there were leaders in the USSR who, in the wake of euphoria of sovereignty, declared the union a rotten empire and took all measures to its collapse. These are: Russia-Yeltsin, Ukraine-Kravchuk, Kazakhstan-Nazarbayev, Belarus- Shushkevich and Moldova. These people are the signatories of the dissolution of the USSR.
Thirdly, in a referendum on the fate of the USSR, people spoke out in favor of preserving it, but the above figures rejected it and people swallowed it in silence. Today, United Russia crashes because of its anti-people’s policies. Life is getting easier and worse. Despite everything projects. The main risks for this party: low pensions and salaries against the background of the growing well-being of government officials (police, prosecutors, courts, etc.); Unregulated prices for everything; Housing and communal services - no comment; there are no productions producing a competitive domestic product; rural economy in the collapse; The Russian Federation is open to threats from outside.

[Marat]

Gorbachev Yeltsin Kravchuk Shushkevich Shevardnadze Yakovlev and thousands of their small demons - democrats traitors and criminals - on their conscience not only tens of millions who fell into poverty and lost their guiding lines and faith in their homeland, but also millions who simply died from wars, hunger and lack of medical care,

But I will stand up for Nazarbayev - with all the known minuses, he was a consistent supporter of preserving the union and now is actually the leader and motor of the integration of the 3 republics back

[Sorry]

Nazarbayev signed a document on the dissolution of the USSR in Belovezhskaya Pushcha.

[Gur]

Well, sorry ... Nazarbayev was not even invited to Belovezhskaya Pushcha .. there were only three p .... Yeltsin Kravchuk and Shushkevich. Nazarbayev was notified of the dissolution by telephone. He signed the document later. I already wrote .. according to his recollections, he was against the dissolution of the USSR, and even somewhere the idea slipped that he supposedly blizzards in the general secretary of the USSR, or rather that if he resisted the collapse .. and headed the Central Committee, he could most likely save country .. so probably more correct.

[Ivan35]

Yes, that’s right - Nazarbayev was not invited as his position was for preserving the union.
Its downsides are rushing privatization and corruption in Kazakhstan in the post-perestroika years - as in Russia
Its advantages - all the same, a part of the oil super-profits somehow reached the population - the standard of living is no worse than in Russia - has preserved the republic for a new union with Russia - and they are really trying - they are promoting integration. Kazakhstan needs Russian seaports, transport corridors, a large common market and, of course, security

[916-th]

Pardon, sorry, but Marat and GUR are absolutely right. Nazarbayev had nothing to do with the collapse of the Union. I can confirm this as a witness to those events, because I lived at that time (and still live) in Alma-Ata (Almaty)

I'll start with a prehistory. Nurike (this is the name of Nazarbayev among the people) came to power in Kazakhstan after Kolbin's failure. Togo was sent to Kazakhstan after the death of D.A. Kunaev, a respected party and statesman by all, who did a lot for Kazakhstan, and for the USSR as a whole. Before Kazakhstan, Kolbin worked in the Caucasus, where he became famous for a very tough and inflexible national policy. He behaved about the same in Kazakhstan - his short reign ended in the "December uprising" of 1986. This was the very first mass unrest in the republics of the Soviet Union, which many do not know about. He was suppressed decisively and even brutally, with the use of troops, but Kolbin was nevertheless removed from sin.

At the time of the signing of the Belovezhskaya Agreement (there were only three of them) and the dissolution of the Union by Gorbachev, Nazarbayev was in Alma-Ata in information isolation. He tried to fly to Moscow, but he was not accepted there, frankly "kicked off". He spoke in the local media, convinced the people that soon everything would be cleared up for the better. A referendum in support of the preservation of the Union was promptly initiated in Kazakhstan, but no one outside the republic was interested in its results. The union has already begun to derail.

Until recently, Nazarbayev tried to leave Kazakhstan in the ruble zone (= in a single economic space with Russia), but Moscow openly pushed him into "free floating." For a long time, Soviet rubles were in circulation in the republic. Own nat. currency (tenge) appeared in Kazakhstan last among the other republics.

Nevertheless, Nazarbayev is still oriented towards rapprochement with Russia, and it is thanks to him that interethnic agreement actually exists in Kazakhstan. Another question is what will happen after Nazarbayev, but this is a separate issue.

[Ivan35]

Everything is correct - but it is better to say not "Moscow pushed out" but venal and shameless liberals and the poor Russian people stupid, deceived and deceived by liberal and Pindossian propaganda - like "we are Europe" and "we will dump the burden of Central Asia" - and completely ignoring the fact that Kazakhstan is not Central Asia and the centuries-old history and will of the Kazakh people. And even forgetting us Russians living here. Surprised and glad that in Russia there were healthy forces that supported Nazarbayev in the implementation of reverse integration

[Ivan35]

Quote from 916th
Another question is what will happen after Nazarbayev,

I am sure that this is not the sole merit of Nazarbayev — he simply has to reflect the general mood of the Kazakhs — and it seems to me that it has not changed over the past 350 years — they are real Soviet people — everyone I know for Russia!

[916-th]

In general, I agree, Ivan. But I would take into account the division into juices. Here, not everything is clear, even in the Kazakh environment.

[His]

Kazakhstan is sucks without Russian speakers. They are waiting for the second Caucasus - the feud and Islamization. Nazarbayev will grunt soon, and then everything will begin. Admire

[Marat]

1. Thank you - the Slav brothers stood up for Nazarbayev without me on integration with Russia, here, of course, we must give him his due - although he also has enough minuses

2. I agree - yes - the Kazakhs are still divided into Juzes and tribes - but I can assure you that this division has been very civilized lately - they usually remember at weddings and as a joke. Maybe there is certainly some kind of specificity in the south and in the west - but on the whole it will not interfere with the integration processes - do not even doubt it - Kazakhstan is not Central Asia - the general level of education and (maybe for the best or maybe not) Russification is incomparably higher

3. I completely agree with Him - if you remove all Russian-speaking people from our republic (including me and my entire numerous family) it will completely suck - in general, almost no one will remain - that would be a joy to the Chinese and southern neighbors.
But since this does not happen, there will not be all the gloomy scenarios of civil strife and so on. I hope that even when Nazarbayev leaves, everything will somehow be formed without "extremes." Neither the Kazakhs nor the Russians who live here need this, and it is clear that Russia is not interested in unrest in the integrated republic - I think it will help if that

[916-th]

To his:
Someone will admire from the auditorium, and someone will jump on the stage of events ...

I am deeply sympathetic to the position of both Marat and Ivan, but the risks still need to be calculated. I see them in the following:

1) I touched upon the topic of Juzes (generic division). Marat says it's all in the past, nothing more than a joke. Let's take a concrete example, which is called "here and now" - the transfer of the capital from Almaty to Astana. For the uninitiated - Almaty (earlier - Alma-Ata, even earlier - Fort Verny) is located on South republics directly on the borders with Kyrgyzstan and China. Several reasons for the transfer were voiced (purely geographical - the capital should be in the center of the state, geopolitical - away from the borders with China, etc.). But another reason was in circulation among the residents of Almaty - the gradual introduction of immigrants from the southern regions of Kazakhstan (here they are called "Texans") into state structures. Marat, correct if I'm wrong, these are lands junior jose? With the transfer of the capital, the process of migration of urban Russian-speaking Kazakhs (employees of government agencies) to the north, to the new capital, began. A wave of "Texans" poured into the vacant place in Almaty, and now it is not the same city at all, including in relation to the Russians and the Russian language. Risks - if southerners come to power after Nazarbayev leaves, then it will be ... oops.

2) Nazarbayev crushed the entire opposition with his authority. Now on the horizon of Kazakhstan there is not a single politician worthy of the presidency. Risks - with the departure of Nazarbayev, muddy populists will climb out of all the cracks, including with nationalist slogans. It will be ... oops squared.

I hope I have not offended any of my countrymen.

[Ivan35]

Well, yes, 916th, in which case you and me and Marat "jump on stage"
- but my feeling is that there are very few anti-Russian nationalists among them - and the southerners are also different

Judging by the latest rumors, the son-in-law is most likely to be the heir to Kulibayev (and at the same time as a member or chairman of the board of directors of Russian Gazprom, according to recent publications), so there seems to be no major shock.

and Astana and the north are middle jazz

[Gur]

Well, if such a wedding has gone, then I will say))): the juz division of the Kazakhs has not gone anywhere and has not moved to the position of a "relic" all this is preserved to this day, but not in such a vivid form (since it is still a targeted state) ... Juz division is one of the culprits of corruption and bribery. There are separate industries, state institutions where they secretly recruit according to juz affiliation, and all support begins there, and looking into the mouth of a respected tank until they are removed or retired or for a raise. Further, the post is labeled and passed on to a particularly devoted lackey, who will financially thank Bake for a long time, and he, in turn, will close his eyes and in every possible way cover up extortions and embezzlement. In particular, in Almaty, as it was rightly noted .. now the "southerners" are coming over. People are probably mistaken about anti-Russian sentiments or have not encountered them. Yes, they are certainly not explicit, but they are. It's just that the percentage of Russians has become small, Russian connections with the Kazakh language have ceased to apply for leadership positions .. hence the lack of problems and all-consensus. At one time, the Russians were given to understand .. that this is not their land .. and if something is not pleasant to run to their historical homeland .. which many have done. And even now, almost everyone has a thought in their heads where to dump, and even those who have their own business here keep their heads in the direction of Russia. With regards to Nazarbayev, yes, he is a great person .. but you also need to know when to stop .. talked with the Kazakhs in the last elections .. they quite soberly assess the situation .. understand the dangers and threats of the outside world .. are outraged by theft in all instances .. we need a young and energetic person .. with new ideas and views (as Nazarbayev once was). As for the ass .. it is most likely yes than no .. Nazarbayev himself seems to me to have created a problem by overpowering the "Uralmans".

[Ivan35]

What can I say .. Yes there are such things But in general, this republic and its population stretches to Russia and since 2012 we are actually one country
If you are a Russian GUR, then try not to leave here. If we leave everything from here, it will not be good for us or the Kazakhs — but only for the Pindos and the Chinese and southern neighbors

[His]

I would not risk staying there, especially when Islamic attacks began there (Aktobe, Astana, Balkhash). I think that the Chinese will help the Kazakhs more than Russia. Because the Chinese made large investments there, they need oil and gas. And Russia itself is inundated with this good; there is no special business on the part of Russia in Kazakhstan.

[Marat]

What are you saying Yours! The Chinese will help us as well as the Uyghurs - this will be the end for the Kazakhs and Kazakhstan.

Russia will lose its "lawful" territory which is more than 300 years old and the people voluntarily reunited with their Russian brothers
Will receive the Chinese border in Omsk Chelyabinsk Astrakhan and so on - it will be a disaster for Russia and its peoples

Completely lose control of Central Asia

There are about 10 billion tons of oil in Russia. In Kazakhstan, more than 5 billion - in my opinion 5.9 - more than in Libya - In my opinion, a significant "appendage" Plus the second place in the world in uranium (21%), etc. Is it really necessary to give this to the Chinese !?

And what about thousands of years of history? This territory has never been part of the Chinese world - you cannot give it up because of "business"

I am very glad that most Russians and the Russian leadership think differently and support us in the integration process! In principle, the issue has already been resolved - and no one needs to be convinced!

[Marat]

No, fellow countryman - not at all! And the concern is understandable - no, no, yes, we also came across "pseudo-patriots" (like Kazakhstan for Kazakhs), but honestly - in recent years I have not seen a single one like this - and I have a huge social circle (like every Kazakh, friends, relatives, matchmakers, etc. work)

North is the middle zhuz

The authorities do not seem to be replaced - and at least this is good in terms of continuity and stability. Kulibaev is tipped as a successor - he is already connected with Russian Gazprom

I am sure that everything will be fine - do not even worry. Moreover, all documents on the CES are signed and now we are in fact one country. Kazakhs and Russian brothers!

[His]

You say it in your street

[Forward]

Everything is so clear. Gorbachev and Yeltsin are traitors and traitors to the motherland. They need to be thanked for looting and destroying a powerful state. One has already died, because there was a drunk and a degenerate, sorry for his death. The second is fattening abroad. He writes memoirs and lectures. And most likely introduce yourself in a warm bed in the circle of friends and relatives. This is sad

[916-th]

Well, we talked about Kazakhstan, though in the subject of Gorbachev ...

Although we disagree in details, but in the main they are one - Kazakhstan is a much more reliable partner for Russia than other CIS countries. Russia should also be vitally interested in Kazakhstan - this is its underbelly in the Urals region. There is no way to miss strikes.

Nazarbayev would worthily end his career if he brought to a logical conclusion the processes of integration with Russia and constitutionally secured the defense mechanisms of the new interstate formation.

[Marat]

I support the fellow countryman! All right!

[His]

Separated and goodbye