Military Review

Offensive all over the rear

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The Ministry of Defense unraveled the Oboronservis scheme and calculated its debts

After the loud resignations of Anatoly Serdyukov and Evgenia Vasilyeva, enough time passed to deal with the activities of Oboronservis. However, the litigation with this society is still a burden on the Ministry of Defense. The structure created by the former head of the military department was not only cumbersome and ineffective, but also very resourceful in creating numerous intermediary firms and mechanisms for pumping out budget money. What lessons should be learned from this stories?

We emphasize right away: in general, outsourcing was the right decision. To free the army from unusual functions, to give servicemen the opportunity to do only combat training, and not chores, is logical and reasonable. But the embodiment of the plan was, to put it mildly, not the best.

What the check showed

Speaking at the collegium of the military department, Deputy Minister of Defense Ruslan Tsalikov cited several reasons that questioned the effectiveness of Oboronservis. Among them:

- a sharp increase in financial expenses, which increased annually by an average of 50 billion rubles;
-the lack of transparency of the activities of the companies included in the OJSC, and the absence of a real control system;
-low quality of services provided, especially in the cleaning system;
-the emergence of a huge number of intermediaries (up to five - eight in certain areas);
- growth of accounts payable: as of August 2014, it amounted to more than 90 billion rubles to counterparties, over a billion rubles in terms of wages.

Until now, the Ministry of Defense is forced to deal with confusing schemes, to sue, to challenge amounts from a billion rubles and above. In the courts there are several dozen cases.

The sluggishness of the divisions of OJSC Oboronservis coexisted with poor quality of work. It would seem that business involves efficiency. In fact, everything turned into a delay in the execution of orders. Suffice it to say that the actuation of completed work in some cases took up to two years from the moment of completion.

Obviously, it was impossible to tolerate such a mess. For more than a year, the Ministry of Defense puzzled over what to do with the monster. To wave a sword is reckless, unwise. In the structure of "Oboronservis" work many conscientious performers. Behind everyone - families, children. Therefore, to find a way out of the situation, the State Duma, the Accounts Chamber and the public were connected. Only at the beginning of June 2014 was born the consolidated position on the reform of Oboronservis.

The minister also expressed his opinion. “The system of providing services by third-party organizations has freed more than 65 thousands of servicemen and employees from performing non-core functions, however, outsourcing has not become a universal means of meeting the logistical requirements of the Russian army,” said Sergey Shoigu. “First of all, this is due to the poor quality of the services provided, dissatisfaction of the final consumer, a sharp increase in budget expenditures and the lack of transparency in the activities of the involved companies.”

Today, the final decision was made: by December 2014, the structure called Oboronservis will cease to exist. It is proposed to reform the holding by excluding from it the nine existing subholdings. And in the newly created structure, which will be called Open Society "Garrison", to include four subholdings that showed themselves from the best side. It:

- unified construction and housing and communal (Oboronstroy OJSC, 7 enterprises);
- repair and production (Remvooruzhenie OJSC, 21 enterprise);
- household services and supplies (Voentorg OJSC, 7 enterprises);
- provision of communication and telecommunication services (Voentelecom OJSC, 5 enterprises).


It is assumed that a single subholding of construction and housing and communal services will be formed within the framework of the existing JSC Oboronstroy. And on the basis of the former 1470 logistics management, they will create a single center with transport and logistics complexes located in various military districts. The need for this was identified during inspections and in the course of large-scale exercises with the movement of large masses of people and technology over considerable distances.

To increase the effectiveness of JSC Garrison, the qualitative fulfillment of tasks in the interests of the Ministry of Defense, of course, a new effective management system is required. It has already been developed and includes uniform approaches to the disposal of the holding’s property, which, unfortunately, has not been observed before. Until now, many sub-holdings are not in the best economic situation, and some are in debt of tens of millions of rubles.

In part, this became possible because Oboronservis’s activities, its results and especially financial flows remained for a long time a secret behind seven seals. Everything that happened in the bowels of the holding was closed even for the leadership of the Armed Forces.

“Of course, this is wrong. Questions of state secrets - one. And there, where the economic activity is launched, is quite another, - emphasized Ruslan Tsalikov. “We believe that everything that concerns the work of such organizations should be clear, transparent and understandable.”

Looking for big investors

Now, a unified regulation of the holding’s trading and procurement activities will make it possible to avoid cases where the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing. It will help this and closer interaction with the bodies of the military administration of the districts. At the same time, the task of inventorying the repair enterprises of the Ministry of Defense and synchronizing their work plans in the new conditions with the defense-industrial complex organizations should be solved. These activities must be completed before the middle of the 2015 year.

Today, the basic principles of creating a subholding for the provision of communication services and telecommunications have been approved. Unfortunately, Voentelecom is notorious for confusing financial schemes, which definitely did not help improve the performance of the communication systems in the Armed Forces. But now the situation is changing dramatically in this area.

Offensive all over the rear


After the transfer of industrial and other units of Oboronservis (and this is a huge property complex), there is a threat that some of the facilities may be out of sight and efficiently loaded. In order not to repeat the previous mistakes, it has been proposed to create an investment unit that will examine in detail the problems of the property complex and submit proposals on the advisability of using it in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

According to the Ministry of Defense, as a result of the reform of the outsourcing system, there will be a significant change in the volume and quality of services. The analysis showed that up to half of those that were supposed to be Oboronservis were not actually provided in certain areas, but were executed as completed. There were also those who did not provide services at all, but nevertheless try to get compensation from the RF Ministry of Defense through the court. Contracts with pseudo-suppliers will be terminated. Garrison OJSC will begin to carry out only those work that the army and the fleet, and most importantly - transparent.

Even today, the work to remedy the situation in this area, carried out by the Ministry of Defense in 2013 – 2014, has produced an amazing result: savings of as much as 22 billion rubles. In particular, at the expense of a reasonable contract policy in preparation for the winter, exclusion of middlemen, other measures. Managed to reduce energy prices (gas, electricity, coal). In other words, it is the result of people’s conscientious attitude towards their duties, honest work. It is easy to calculate how many new types of weapons and military equipment can be purchased for 22 billion rubles.

Of course, in carrying out the reform, a transitional period will be required, during which the Central Administration of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation must ensure the effective fulfillment of administrative functions and prevent a decline in the quality of services.

The measures taken will also allow attracting major investors to the modernization of the existing housing and utilities system. The Defense Ministry has already spent a year searching for interested actors who could ensure the conversion of boiler houses to gas fuel. However, there is no success so far. Previously, problems were created by the clumsiness of the holding company Oboronservis. Now, in this area of ​​work, serious progress will be required, the study of market conditions, the selection of investors.

The economic contractual system should also become simpler, since it is more difficult to imagine more complicated than it was in Oboronservis (especially in financial support). It is enough to cite the following figure: debts within Oboronservis (accounts payable of enterprises) accumulated under 400 billion rubles and 60 percent of them are domestic, which were not there before. This is when one company needs another, and then someone else. Whole chains of debtors appeared, which the Defense Ministry is trying to cut today, which is not easy. After all, we are talking about hundreds of millions of rubles.

“We have been trying to understand these chains for a year, for example, connected with Oboronenergo, a number of other enterprises, their internal relations,” says Tsalikov. “And we come to the conclusion that many of them are artificially built.”

The most pressing issue is the increase in the prime cost of services to the Ministry of Defense in the sphere of housing and public utilities, repair of weapons, military and special equipment. The new structure of OJSC “Garrison” should streamline customer relations with suppliers as much as possible.

In addition, it is necessary to take measures to transfer the shares of Voentelecom OJSC, to restructure its debt. The still functioning Oboronservis jointly with the state corporation Rostec will have to ensure the maintenance of missiles and ammunition in the period before the launch of the arsenals of the integrated storage of the Ministry of Defense of Russia.

In the end, the military department will have to finally determine the scope of the use of outsourcing and the necessary volumes of services provided, to give up something. But in general, such a recovery will benefit the combat readiness of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
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  1. Lesha Chernyshev
    Lesha Chernyshev 11 September 2014 18: 41
    +23
    It is a pity that this bastard is not likely to be planted! Thank God, we now have a normal Minister of Defense.
    1. VICTOR-61
      VICTOR-61 11 September 2014 18: 52
      +15
      Yes, so many wanted to be planted. Oh, apparently it’s anointed in something like Chubais and his nano who robbed — where is justice and for comrades a bag of simple hungry potatoes for 5 years they can plant such comrades here
      1. silinigo
        silinigo 11 September 2014 19: 32
        -11
        The fish rots from the head - Gobachev, Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev and Putin again ... Here you have the instigators of all the troubles in the army.
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 11 September 2014 19: 50
          +4
          Quote: silinigo
          The fish rots from the head - Gobachev, Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev and Putin again ... Here you have the instigators of all the troubles in the army.

          And what do you suggest..? bully
          1. Irkit
            Irkit 11 September 2014 22: 45
            -3
            If you believe Putin, do not doubt his decisions. (We've already pulled up "Sirdyukov on gil")

            1. 23 region
              23 region 11 September 2014 23: 15
              +7
              Quote: IrkIt
              If you believe Putin, do not doubt his decisions. (Have already pulled up "Sirdyukov on the gil"")

              Let him steal further? Is that what you mean? "The caste of the untouchables" - such justice has already been lifted.
              (well, the little movie is funny, everyone has the right to their opinion, for me it’s just another conspiracy therapist)
              1. shershen
                shershen 11 September 2014 23: 39
                -4
                Of course you want, gentlemen, but I believe that Russia will face a popular rebellion and, as a result, a war (or, on the contrary, war and rebellion).
                This foolishness will not end in good.
              2. Victor R
                Victor R 11 September 2014 23: 42
                +5
                With all due respect to VVP, he didn't see where the cart was going? What is this trader doing with the army? Vova pinned down a bear cub, a bear cub a hedgehog, a hedgehog sikushka, a sikushka Vanyushka. Here again Vanyusha will "sit down" for peeling potatoes. We all grew up on the same folk tales. Only the "storytellers" are different for everyone. Well caught on in time.
        2. Secta haki
          Secta haki 19 November 2015 06: 04
          0
          Who set all of them. Well, at least the first two. winked
      2. papas-57
        papas-57 11 September 2014 21: 30
        +9
        `` The structure created by the former head of the military department turned out to be not only cumbersome and ineffective, but also very inventive in creating numerous intermediary firms, mechanisms for pumping out budget money. '' Who there with a bear surname argued that Taburetkin was doing everything right? It is necessary to bring to justice not only the former minister, but also his accomplices and intercessors, including his personal lawyer. With confiscation to recover the financial losses of the MO.
      3. Victor R
        Victor R 11 September 2014 23: 31
        +4
        Right, namesake. Need to plant. Before the law should be all one. The state must adhere to these foundations.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 12 September 2014 00: 03
          +2
          Quote: Victor R
          Before the law should be all one. The state must adhere to these foundations.

          But some are even more united.
          Everything as usual.
          there will be no repression!
          We do not hand over "our" ones!
          1. military
            military 12 September 2014 09: 23
            +1
            Quote: Wheel
            Quote: Victor R
            Before the law should be all one ...

            But some are even more united ...
            We do not hand over "our" ones!

            Yes! There is such a party! wink
    2. Oleg NSK
      Oleg NSK 11 September 2014 18: 53
      +8
      you need to unwind further .... I won’t be surprised that some kind of ultimate beneficiary will turn out to be ... well, let's say Jacob Rothschild, like that of Yukos
      1. WKS
        WKS 11 September 2014 20: 28
        +3
        Quote: Oleg NSK
        you need to unwind further .... I won’t be surprised that some kind of ultimate beneficiary will turn out to be ... well, let's say Jacob Rothschild, like that of Yukos

        If he was, then it has long been growing tangerines in Israel.
      2. shershen
        shershen 11 September 2014 23: 23
        -1
        or plain-looking bald man, a bird lover
    3. Canep
      Canep 11 September 2014 18: 54
      +9
      In Russia, in my opinion, there is a law on alternative service, so it was necessary to create service units from alternative specialists, they should not be given weapons, they could peel potatoes, twist a donut and they could clean it. These structures would remain under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Defense and obey it, and not any schemes for withdrawing budget money.
    4. severniy
      severniy 11 September 2014 18: 59
      +11
      funny, there is wine, but there is no guilty .., circus .., and so I somehow dug up ..:

      "True statistics from 10 and 12 years, but all the news:" The RF Ministry of Defense decided to spend 10 billion rubles on strengthening the country's defense capability. In the list of purchased "military" equipment Porsche Cayenne, Mercedes Benz S600 and the most expensive BMW models, and the set must also include drivers. ";" According to ist-budget.ru, most often expensive foreign cars are ordered by the Ministry of Defense - since the beginning of the year for more than 1,4 billion rubles were spent on the car. "
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 11 September 2014 19: 20
      +7
      After the resignations of Anatoly Serdyukov and Evgenia Vasilyeva am why are the creatures alive? request
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 11 September 2014 21: 38
        +4
        means "rolled back" who needs
        1. military
          military 12 September 2014 09: 27
          +1
          Quote: OldWiser
          means "rolled back" who needs

          elusive "someone" ... well, straight, the knight of the cloak and dagger ... repeat
      2. shershen
        shershen 11 September 2014 23: 26
        +2
        this is because the law in Russia acts selectively.
        if the first article of the constitution de facto does not work, a legitimate question arises - is there a law in Russia at all? how legitimate are the courts and how inviolable are the "servants of the people" in a country with a "non-working" constitution?
        Do not stop, are we afraid to break the law, which is not?
      3. 23 region
        23 region 11 September 2014 23: 32
        +3
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        After the resignations of Anatoly Serdyukov and Evgenia Vasilyeva am why are the creatures alive? request

        means "rolled back" who needs

        A THIEF SHOULD SIT IN JAIL!
    6. Giant thought
      Giant thought 11 September 2014 19: 46
      +7
      How much budget money is stolen, not counted. And who will sit down, how will the budget money be returned? So far, we have not yet heard a clear answer to these questions.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 11 September 2014 21: 41
        +5
        in the system of oligarchic capitalism and do not hear
        1. DMB-88
          DMB-88 11 September 2014 22: 12
          +3
          Quote: OldWiser
          in the system of oligarchic capitalism and do not hear


          How we will not hear about many crimes of those in power!
    7. Ossetian.
      Ossetian. 11 September 2014 19: 53
      0
      Lesha Chernyshev

      Thank God, we now have a normal Minister of Defense.


      And his deputy is normal, Ossetian! good
    8. Goga101
      Goga101 11 September 2014 21: 52
      +1
      Lesha Chernyshev - You won’t envy Kozhugetovich - stools nasr @ l, but now raking Shoigu ... recourse
    9. Krasnoarmeec
      Krasnoarmeec 11 September 2014 22: 06
      +4
      Quote: Lesha Chernyshev
      It is a pity that this bastard is not likely to be planted! Thank God, we now have a normal Minister of Defense.


      They won't be jailed, it's clear, after such positions they either live happily ever after or have an accident, can you imagine how many interesting things are in his head, and what will happen if this ghoul turns out to be, let's say, in "unrighteous hands" ...... jail for life? no such article, heart attack in a prison cell? why do we need another Magnitsky, at the fifth column there is now more than enough material for work ...
      It is hoped that in a couple of years they will find in a bath hanging on a scarf repeat
      1. 23 region
        23 region 11 September 2014 23: 49
        +1
        Quote: Krasnoarmeec
        at the fifth column now there’s more than enough material for work .....
    10. horseradish
      horseradish 12 September 2014 06: 37
      +1
      Do you need it? think by the end of the term, his information about the army will become obsolete? he is a person with the highest tolerance, such only to the wall, or to keep on a short leash
  2. BoBkaTyumen
    BoBkaTyumen 11 September 2014 18: 42
    +6
    Outsourcing is a trendy phenomenon in large companies. In transcription from English it sounds like "sucking", only in most cases the customer of this action is always at a loss.
    1. patap
      patap 11 September 2014 19: 18
      +1
      dear and uncomfortable thing. now it is archimode and everywhere piles ...
  3. vsoltan
    vsoltan 11 September 2014 18: 42
    +1
    Ha, Serdyukov of course, a thief ... let's see what the new contractors will do ...
    1. the polar
      the polar 12 September 2014 07: 32
      +1
      Quote: vsoltan
      Ha, Serdyukov of course, a thief ... let's see what the new contractors will do ...

      Yes, the same thing happens. Only now they will try so that they do not leak out
  4. Mussasi
    Mussasi 11 September 2014 18: 43
    +9
    Such persons undermining our defense industry should be declared an "enemy of the people" and to the wall
    1. shershen
      shershen 11 September 2014 23: 30
      +2
      what if he wants to tell an interesting story before his death? and there the strings will stretch hoo where, as if after that we would not be left without a government if all the thieves are against the wall
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 12 September 2014 00: 06
        +2
        Quote: shershen
        after all, we won’t be left without a government if all the thieves go

        A holy place is never empty!
        Thieves in our hundreds of such governments will be typed.
        What are you worried about? recourse
        1. oratai104
          oratai104 12 September 2014 01: 31
          +2
          Nac fin, Deputy for rear, Nac KEO, Nac fuels and lubricants, Nac autosl, Nach thing, Nac prod, Nac frame - the system, according to my modest observations since 1982, never changes. Not always, but as a rule, all corruption is collected here, from the very bottom, starting with a separate company (military unit, after all) and strictly vertically and horizontally. Once, he was appointed chairman of the internal inspection regimental commission for food services. Year 89-91, I don't remember exactly. Checked, installed, found, counted, issued. I went to the CP with a report, and for further orders. I read it carefully. I stand, waiting for orders. He puts the acts and the conclusion of the commission on the table. Smiles. Seeing his reaction, in a sinful deed, he blurted out sympathetically with understanding: "Didn't you share it?" In response, with warmth in his voice and also, with an understanding of understanding: "Get out!" I don’t know how to solve an eternal problem. Either legal extremism or absurdity comes to mind. Offer, we will discuss. Maybe something will become applicable.
          1. Kulakov_Dmitry
            Kulakov_Dmitry 12 September 2014 11: 01
            0
            Did you try to go to the prosecutor? If not, then be silent then in a rag, as I was silent all this time!
  5. vladmetro
    vladmetro 11 September 2014 18: 45
    +6
    Still
    I wonder why Taburetkin became the Ministry of Defense? And why did he last so long at this place?
    After all, the policy of updating and strengthening the army had already begun.
    1. DMB-88
      DMB-88 11 September 2014 22: 15
      +1
      Quote: vladmetro
      why did Taburetkin become a defense ministry? And why did he last so long at this place?
      After all, the policy of updating and strengthening the army had already begun.


      Then the process of the final destruction of the army and
      uncontrolled robbery of the budget, i.e. folk money!
    2. oratai104
      oratai104 12 September 2014 01: 44
      +1
      There was a sense of purpose. It is impossible to fundamentally reform any system by the same people. who have already grown into it and will put sticks in the wheels (including for personal reasons). The transition to a compact professional army did not imply conservatism. A person from the outside is needed: a tough one who does not tolerate objections, who does not recognize authorities, and who, in fact, does not understand the issue (one who understands can only be a conservative, and therefore a brake on the process). The main requirement is an intelligent manager who will create a system from scratch, but according to the existing Western model (compact, professional, brigade-legovskaya with combined command, etc., etc.). Mission accomplished! Therefore, plant, as it were, for nothing. Everything else is the conservatism of the thinking of the Russian bureaucracy (type, costs, reform). However, a short experience in the formation of the state during this period showed that not everything is so simple in the construction of a new army as the state itself. All this we have observed from the beginning to today. As if like this, I explain to myself the chain of the whole reform.
  6. calocha
    calocha 11 September 2014 18: 48
    +8
    If Serdyukov and the women's battalion are not imprisoned, then Serdyukov has compromising evidence to the entire top of the Kremlin!
    1. vladmetro
      vladmetro 11 September 2014 18: 51
      +2
      Quote: calocha
      If Serdyukov and the women's battalion are not imprisoned, then Serdyukov has compromising evidence to the entire top of the Kremlin!

      This is unlikely, he is too small a bipod. Just Zubkov’s son-in-law, if I’m not mistaken.
      But isn’t Zubkov behind all those dissatisfied with Putin’s policies?
      1. military
        military 12 September 2014 09: 31
        +1
        Quote: vladmetro
        But isn’t Zubkov behind all those dissatisfied with Putin’s policies?

        in fact, Putin’s friend and ally (that is, Zubkov) cannot be displeased ... only one figure can stand behind him, and you are well aware ...
        it was just that the snapped tolyan was made to understand that he was sh ** but there was no way to call him ... but initially no one was going to flush him down the toilet ... yes, he was shit, but his own, "cooperative" .. ...
    2. tomket
      tomket 11 September 2014 18: 53
      +8
      Is your hand compromising on you? Usually she does what you tell her. Well, or unconsciously, the fifth point is scratching.
    3. DMB-88
      DMB-88 11 September 2014 22: 19
      +4
      Quote: calocha
      If Serdyukov and the women's battalion are not imprisoned, then Serdyukov has compromising evidence to the entire top of the Kremlin!

      And who appointed Serdyukov to the post?
      Who awarded him the highest awards of the Russian Federation?
      Who was his immediate superior, the commander in chief at that time?
      Who is this "bad man"?
      1. oratai104
        oratai104 12 September 2014 02: 06
        +1
        Then Medvedev. But that's not the point. look deeper. 2003 year. I have three objects. One of the most important. Another main one. And on the third, in another city, but at a decent distance, I have a brother-in-law as a foreman - a pro with decent experience, an experienced professional master, they have two intelligent assistants and a brigade of normal Russian workers, I believe everyone, almost like myself. At the important and second facility, I myself delve into everything, I control the progress of work at both facilities from morning to evening ... The set-up with financial losses, so such that these two facilities could not be blocked, of course, came from there. Brother-in-law with the foreman and everyone else received a monthly salary with a bonus in full. I sat down and thought: "How is that ?!" My wife became a mountain for her brother (brother-in-law). And what have I done? I gave her money to this imperfect as a severance pay. What am I talking about? So. Just an example from everyday life.
    4. oratai104
      oratai104 12 September 2014 01: 49
      0
      Of course, what happened is not good. I dislike the listed persons no less. However, not everything is so simple.
      1. Kulakov_Dmitry
        Kulakov_Dmitry 12 September 2014 11: 09
        +1
        At night you have to sleep, not to thump!
  7. vladmetro
    vladmetro 11 September 2014 18: 49
    +5
    Really, for so many years that Serdyukov was in office, no one noticed, at least not the effectiveness of "Oboronservis".
    Does this mean that he still had the cover at the highest level?
    Really "Cooperative Lake"?
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    2. Cenij150814
      Cenij150814 11 September 2014 19: 19
      +2
      Well, comrade, stop walking around and around, who is not a fool, and so I understand who you are, so take it and tell me directly what it is ... wink
      1. vladmetro
        vladmetro 11 September 2014 19: 34
        +5
        Quote: Cenij150814
        Well, comrade, stop walking around and around, who is not a fool, and so I understand who you are, so take it and tell me directly what it is ... wink

        I’ll tell you straight. A cooperative is not only Putin. This is all the current elite, which now, but rather a little earlier, has split into those who want to see Russia strong, and others who care only about their wallet.
        1. Cenij150814
          Cenij150814 11 September 2014 19: 47
          +6
          Finally good and then from the widespread version here that "Putin is soft and fluffy and everything around him is a fifth column and he shoots them off every day" is already sick. Only now it is unlikely that anyone wants to see Russia strong, for this you need to work and most importantly share, all this is just a clan war no more !!
          1. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 11 September 2014 21: 45
            +3
            Petersburg vs Moscow ("family and close associates of EBN")
  8. prio124
    prio124 11 September 2014 18: 58
    +6
    To wave a saber is reckless, unreasonable. - why is it unreasonable. But is it reasonable to create a deliberately fraudulent almshouse? .... their children, and pi ... to pour publicly good, depriving other children, including patients, kindly?
  9. Junior, I
    Junior, I 11 September 2014 19: 01
    +3
    I would be glad if this Sv .... stool, someone thread accidentally shoots, if not planted.
    Although you can’t say that.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 11 September 2014 19: 21
      +4
      Quote: Younger, I
      Although you can’t say that.

      possible and necessary ...
  10. Loner_53
    Loner_53 11 September 2014 19: 08
    +2
    amazing result: savings of as much as 22 billion rubles.It’s good that there is no Talian, I would have stolen this money. wassat would be!
  11. Ilotan
    Ilotan 11 September 2014 19: 13
    +8
    A thief should sit in jail! Until the official (anyone, regardless of ranks and ranks) has 100% confidence that the state will not succeed with impunity, there will be no order in the country.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 11 September 2014 21: 48
      +2
      Then you will have to remove from the constitution private property, possession of currency and real estate abroad.
    2. DMB-88
      DMB-88 11 September 2014 22: 28
      +1
      Quote: Ilotan
      A thief should sit in jail! Until the official (anyone, regardless of ranks and ranks) has 100% confidence that the state will not succeed with impunity, there will be no order in the country.


      Generally speaking, strictly speaking, this is an undermining of the country's defense capability, and, therefore, treason to the Motherland !!!
      Not even shooting, but only the gallows !!! Gallows !!!
      1. shershen
        shershen 11 September 2014 23: 36
        +1
        are we barbarians? it will be enough just to shoot him
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 12 September 2014 00: 07
          0
          Quote: shershen
          are we barbarians? it will be enough just to shoot him

          Yeah, from a slingshot.
          1. oratai104
            oratai104 12 September 2014 02: 09
            0
            Nah. From a squid machine, but on Red Square!
      2. Victor R
        Victor R 11 September 2014 23: 53
        +1
        Shura, this is not our method. Only the complete confiscation of the whole family and b..day with a subsequent period. Oh, sometimes you will cry over strong hands with a cold head and a warm heart.
  12. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 11 September 2014 19: 14
    +1
    Yes, Smerdyukov has done so many things that it is not soon to unravel them. Now we would only have to make sure that the money directed to the defense was spent under the scrutiny of the supervisory authorities, updating their composition at the same time constantly from unscrupulous officials.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 11 September 2014 19: 32
      +4
      What the hell did you do? Everything is going according to plan, Serdyukov has withdrawn "non-core assets" from under the direct control of the Ministry of Defense, creating a joint stock company with 100% state participation, now, under Shoigu, business will be allowed to the trough (see "large investors are needed"). The share of the state will begin to decline. Until quietly, until all these structures are completely removed from the control of the Ministry of Defense.

      Doesn’t resemble anything? For example, Chubais’s activities in the electric power industry ...
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 11 September 2014 21: 52
        0
        real privatization in practice, not scam with vouchers
      2. DMB-88
        DMB-88 11 September 2014 22: 43
        +5
        Quote: Spade
        Doesn’t resemble anything? For example, Chubais’s activities in the electric power industry ...


        That system state capitalismthat we have today is the touching unity of the oligarchy and the top of the bureaucracy. State corporations are a tasty morsel for this kind of government. The same story is happening in all these campaigns. If we discard all the abstruse economic and bureaucratic constructions, it comes down to a simple formula: privatize revenues - nationalize losses
  13. basmach
    basmach 11 September 2014 19: 20
    +7
    Generally. continue to make a circus from the army. With outsourcing, perhaps, it will soon reach insanity. To clean the fighter's boots, fill the bed, and maybe then fight for him. And there is no need to "cries of the couch" about what they say, free the soldiers. A fighter must be able to do everything himself. I graduated from the Tambov VVAIU, I studied for 5 years and for 4 years we cleaned the territory and wore outfits (both in the dining room and all the others - "big outfit") and the guards and at household jobs (the same potatoes in the 4th year went to harvest) ... And neither my honor, nor my pride, nor my knowledge was hurt. I would like to remind you of the charter: "A soldier must endure the hardships and deprivations of military service." Who in combat conditions will look after the fighter, put things in order in the dugout (and he himself will rebuild the dugout if necessary). if you come, "sofa division", most of which the army on TV and only saw.
    1. DMB-88
      DMB-88 11 September 2014 22: 54
      +2
      Quote: basmach
      I would also like to remind you of the charter: "A soldier must endure the hardships and deprivations of military service."


      I agree with you, and they have a quiet hour !!!
      Not the Army, but the institute of noble maidens ... and whoever throws a caterpillar on the rinks in battle or a waitress brings an escalope to the trenches, and at the same time cleans the boots!
      25 years ago there was the most powerful Army in the world, and now the devil knows what !!! am
    2. Victor R
      Victor R 11 September 2014 23: 58
      0
      "I graduated from the Tambov VVAIU". Good school and good thoughts ... wink What is the basmachi for?
  14. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 11 September 2014 19: 21
    +4
    Serdyukov-this is my only doubt about Putin. I understand that you can make a mistake in a person .. but not so much ..
    This is by the way .. that here often wrote in comments .. in different topics .. that Putin never made a mistake .. and like that .. and put a bunch of likes under that. It would be Putin’s will .. he would be imprisoned .. but for some reason there is no such will .. That's why such kings were forever loved by the people - Ivan the Terrible .. Peter1 .. and Stalin .... it’s a pity that Putin is not like that ..
    1. Victor R
      Victor R 12 September 2014 00: 03
      0
      GDP with hedgehog's father-in-law served together. And there, too, they don’t leave their own. No, Vladimir Vladimirovich, I’d put everyone in prison !!!
  15. Leksandrych
    Leksandrych 11 September 2014 19: 21
    +6
    When I served in the army, I asked the company how it was, what was the most difficult thing in commanding a company. He replied that he would occupy the personnel. The less free time a mass of young, healthy children have, the less bad thoughts leading to unpredictable consequences.
    This can be taken as a joke. But upon mature reflection there is a sound grain in it.
    Well, the introduction into the army of various structures that exempt personnel from auxiliary work gives too many different stupid things.
    And also the educational component of all maintenance work: such as washing, hemming the collar, peeling potatoes, etc., etc.
    So, Serdyukov’s idea to transfer some functions to other structures is not the best.
    1. Alexander S.
      Alexander S. 11 September 2014 19: 31
      +5
      What they prepared for us ... they cleaned the territory ... and so on ... there was no more free time ... but they spent all the time on physical education ... the same anti-terror we had almost every other day. All this depends only on the officers .. how they use the time they freed up ... by watching TV or working with personnel. I could even compare ... there were two parts on the same territory ... in the neighboring area there was hazing ... with evening beatings ... binges ... we were immediately cut off with a hang-up ... and there were no bad thoughts ... if only you could sleep sooner.
      1. zen-do.ru
        zen-do.ru 11 September 2014 19: 49
        +1
        True, but in general it will not hurt to look after yourself, at least for the first six months, and then to a minimum. Then it will come in handy on a civilian, more different people come to the army.
        1. Alexander S.
          Alexander S. 11 September 2014 21: 18
          +1
          But is washing and filing not included in free time now? in general, everything is individual ... somewhere in the old fashioned way .. and somewhere in lazy sloppiness ... by the way it was, the barracks came to wash)) but the PCB was sacred!
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 11 September 2014 22: 09
      +5
      in general, outsourcing is an ideological cover for the mechanism for withdrawing funds from an organization into the personal pocket of its management. Justified by the alleged "economy" on "overhead costs" associated with the execution of "non-core" for the organization of production and economic functions. In fact, the functional manager reduces the staff of his service, creates, himself or through relatives, LLC Roga and Kopyt, allegedly falsifies a "tender" to conclude work contracts, which naturally "wins" this very LLC and transfers the functions of his reduced service IN OUTSOURCING to this third company ( pay in advance of course). And then - either this LLC does not do a damn thing and after a year evaporates along with the money, or it takes a quarter of the best employees of the former service to its staff and does the entire volume of work for 3/4 of the old salary, which for an employee means four times more intensive work for a quarter reduced salary. After a year of work - the conclusion of a new contract or the prolongation of an old one, but already more expensive ("you know inflation"), and the salary of employees ("blacks") remains at the same level. And all the money goes into the boss's pocket.
    3. Captain45
      Captain45 11 September 2014 22: 52
      +2
      Quote: Lexandrich
      When I served in the army, I asked the company how it was, what was the most difficult thing in commanding a company. He replied that he would occupy the personnel. The less free time a mass of young, healthy children have, the less bad thoughts leading to unpredictable consequences.

      Secondly, my company commander said the same thing: "When a soldier has a lot of lich (s) of his time, he begins to deteriorate. Therefore, the personnel must ... be, so that by the end of the day they fall on their bed without any thoughts." lol
  16. Grif
    Grif 11 September 2014 19: 59
    +1
    You, friends, no matter how you sit down, everyone is not good at musicians.
  17. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 11 September 2014 20: 25
    0
    Putin led the defense commission .. (I see these interagency disassemblies and tyagomutins got him) I hope the result will be visible soon .. (sanctions still apply ..) Well, nothing .. Martial law is time to enter the military-industrial complex otherwise, in any way .. in the current situation For Russia!
    1. DMB-88
      DMB-88 11 September 2014 22: 59
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      It’s time to put martial law in the military-industrial complex otherwise, in any way .. in the current situation for Russia!


      Hi Meehan!
      I’m even scared to think how our economy can be mobilized? !!!
  18. studentmati
    studentmati 11 September 2014 20: 58
    +3
    Well, did the hired laundresses and cookers go after the Suvorov army? Or in the Great Patriotic War?
  19. shelva
    shelva 11 September 2014 21: 27
    +3
    It is necessary to free the army and navy from all kinds of hangers-on; the military must be able to solve any internal problems themselves.
  20. m.makovej
    m.makovej 11 September 2014 22: 08
    +1
    Until Vasiliev’s curva sits and Serdyukov’s society is split. Putin was respected for the Crimea, and so ... This Kremlin camarilla will end badly. It’s a pity our country and its people, but the people? whether (the population) is to blame.
  21. Gora66
    Gora66 11 September 2014 22: 22
    +2
    Serdyukov and K. so painstakingly created a feeding trough, and here Shoigu came and ruined everything. It’s a pity that this fat company (Serdyukov and K.) will not be imprisoned, it’s a pity ...
  22. Karabin
    Karabin 11 September 2014 23: 07
    0
    Until December 2014, a structure called Oboronservis will cease to exist. It is proposed to reform the holding by excluding from it nine existing subholdings. And in the newly created structure, which will be called OJSC "Garrison"

    New structure, new name, new Vasiliev ...
  23. atamankko
    atamankko 11 September 2014 23: 42
    +2
    For the use of official position must be planted in full.
  24. weree
    weree 12 September 2014 01: 19
    0
    Our security is at stake. Not a gram of conscience and brains are among those who thought of putting out a website where you can find anything you want about any Russian, see http://fe.gd/Vdw yourself. Moreover, everything works so simply that no one will have difficulty finding anyone, but the information that the portal offers is simply crazy for its volume: here are the documents, place of residence, work, telephones, bank statements, etc. Personally, as I saw it, I immediately deleted it, while there is such an opportunity
  25. Semenov
    Semenov 12 September 2014 03: 30
    0
    Only mass executions will save the Motherland! (C). With confiscation! I’m sure that the failure is systemic, the rear services have stolen and will steal, but there are no sensible anti-corruption laws yet.
  26. Zomanus
    Zomanus 12 September 2014 05: 28
    +2
    We tried, it turned out garbage. Now, taking into account the experience gained, they will change this garbage. In general, the army does not need to be shaken up, but brought to order, remove matchmaking and mutual responsibility. I was amazed when I read a book about helicopter pilots in Afghanistan. Ours are sitting on bread and water, but all the surrounding villages are eating our stew and dry. And what the hell are you going to do with the capter, because his patron has an important bump. The first thought is to shoot stsuku, during the next shelling of parts with spirits. We really need to clean the army from such rats, otherwise during the war they will also trade weapons with the enemy. By the way, you need to clean the whole chain without looking at the ranks and length of service. Otherwise, you will not eradicate.
  27. 70BSN
    70BSN 12 September 2014 07: 37
    +2
    This is all from the laws, if it were like this: a bureaucrat or any other SERVANT OF THE PEOPLE stole, THEN HIM not in prison, but "THE DEATH PENALTY" with confiscation of property. Two or three people who robbed, the rest will not want to punish, they will start thinking for the good of the country and the people !!! And the GDP has seen everything! they are all there for everything in the know and for THIS IN THEIR TIME they got money ......... (CLEAR MY OPINION) We have all the resources in the country and a lot of other good things BUT FOR THE VORYUG THE POWER THE POWER ALL THE PEOPLE Most of the hard workers do not live beautifully or well, but try to SURVIVE, many have to work two or three jobs !!! B .... I am only shocked for the fact that I WANT TO GIVE EDUCATION TO CHILDREN DAK you still have to pay for this nonsense !!!! There are more hard workers in RUSSIA than all other positions and you think they do not pay attention to this ... in vain YOU THINK I am often on a business trip, I travel all over RUSSIA and just talk with hard workers and they have to the point boiling is left quite a LITTLE !!!! We are already tired of working for bureaucrats ........ Someone will say, and who in exchange to put in a chair, but there are people who would have been at the place of snickering and in addition to former organized crime groups and similar bandits !! !!
  28. Ryuuk
    Ryuuk 12 September 2014 09: 06
    +2
    Finally, we decided to radically reform this harmful system.
    It’s only a pity that there wasn’t the spirit to put the guilty. Apparently the thread is long. You can start to unravel, and you can stay without subordinates.

    Here's another example of a "patriotically" oriented team of Putin or even himself ...

    Not. True. It seems that our president sometimes completely does not control the processes taking place in the country (or controls, but pretends not to be aware). Even if we assume that he fully relies on the reports of his team, it turns out that he himself has no interest in anything and he is blind and deaf.

    I hope the new OJSC “Garrison” will not repeat the fate of its predecessor.
  29. pahom54
    pahom54 12 September 2014 09: 32
    +1
    Until Taburetkin is imprisoned, and not so much as Vasilyev’s - under house arrest, but really - many of us will not believe in the supposedly positive changes taking place in our state ...
    Is it a joke - to harm the Russian army and defense in a way that not a single syshya could!

    And now, I'm afraid, good desires may result in something incomprehensible. As Viktor Chernomyrdin used to say: "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always!"

    At the head of departments that ensure high combat readiness of the armed forces, we need a man like Alexander Suvorov. His life credo in relation to the rear was unambiguous: any quartermaster who has been in office for 2 years or more can and should be shot without trial!

    Now, if at least partially such an approach were applied, there would be benefits.

    And so ... In short: America must be destroyed, and Serdyukov must be planted! I would like for life ...
    1. 70BSN
      70BSN 12 September 2014 19: 24
      0
      The most important thing is that we are becoming more and more in RUSSIA those who are no longer silent, but somehow they are quietly speaking about this to the entire mess. .....
      That is, my opinion is this: President Vladimir Vladimirovich should get ready that soon the WORKERS will get tired of silent "playing" and then everyone will go out into the street with QUESTIONS !!!!!
  30. 70BSN
    70BSN 15 September 2014 07: 29
    0
    I alone can’t understand the fields in our sea (whatever you want), the south is full of fruits, and we are all exactly we buy now CHINA has it all !!!!!! Vladimir Vladimirovich for 15 years in power it was possible to build state farms and there is no need here to throw noodles on the ears about any problems !!!!