President on the proposal of the Prime Minister disbanded "Rosoboronzakaz", "Rosoboronpostavku" and Ministry of Regional Development

At the meeting of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin with the Chairman of the Russian Government, Dmitry Medvedev expressed the initiative to abolish several state institutions at once. First of all, it was proposed to abandon Rosoboronzakaz and Rosoboronpostavka, redistributing the functions of these departments between the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Industry, Federal Antimonopoly Service and the Accounts Chamber. RIA News reports that President Vladimir Putin has supported this initiative of Prime Minister Medvedev.

Another premier initiative was the proposal to disband the ministry of regional development, which, since October 2012, has been led by Igor Slyunyaev. The initiative Medvedev explained by the fact that the government has several overlapping work of each other departments: Ministry of Regional Development, Ministry of Eastern Development, the Ministry of Development of the Crimea, the North Caucasus.

ITAR-TASS publishes information that Vladimir Putin agreed with this proposal of Dmitry Medvedev.

In 12: 30 in Moscow on the Kremlin site An official document (decree of the head of state) appeared, stating the abolition of the Ministry of Regional Development and the distribution of its functions between such structures as the Ministry of Construction and Housing and Public Utilities, the Ministry of Justice and the Ministry of Culture. The Ministry of Culture will reportedly be responsible for national policy issues. In addition, the Ministry will continue to work on the development of individual regions, which were mentioned above.

Thus, the number of ministries in the government of the Russian Federation, as well as departments related to defense orders and supplies, is becoming smaller. According to the plan, this should lead to budget savings. Will the plan grow together with the harsh reality?

Comments

[afire]

In principle, good.
The smaller the bureaucratic apparatus, the easier the budget.
The work efficiency of those who have undertaken this work will increase.
The corruption component should decrease ... theoretically.

[USSR 1971]

Yesterday it was necessary. And Vasilyeva with Serdyukov still do not sit. It's time too.

[severniy]

I hope the GDP has well weighed everything, and when Dima changes the clock, cancels the technical inspection, renames the police, and finally takes the initiative for me to be somehow restless ...

[Bkmz]

I don’t think that Dima did everything on his own, without consulting his senior comrade, although anything happens.

[severniy]

And I had a scent that when Volodimir returned to the steering wheel of the locomotive, he was in shock: all the buttons, toggle switches and knobs were turned, switched and pressed, and in his eyes there was horror — how to lose this thing ... whose the kid was fooling around here, but there was one fawn-around were stickers with the symbols of a bitten apple ...

[podpolkovnik]

Quote: severniy

I hope the GDP has well weighed everything, and when Dima changes the clock, cancels the technical inspection, renames the police, and finally takes the initiative for me to be somehow restless ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

I know what I liked when Putin was not in Altai, one minister (I don’t remember who) addressed him, comrade president ...! afterwards (Mr. President), this pleased me sincerely, and Putin annealed it further: my gratitude is enough for you (the leadership), and to reward those who worked on the earth! (This is for restoration after the flood)

[Evgen4ik]

Unfortunately, there will be no significant reduction in staff. Just people will go to work in other departments. A radical reduction of the apparatus is needed, and this can only be done by introducing automation and increasing the overall level of personnel. And now only relatives go to the civil service, or those who could not get a different place.

[kostella85]

In the RSFSR, there were about a million all officials, in Russia from 2006 to 2010 (the period of administrative reform), the number of federal officials increased from 1,2 mil. up to 1,7 mil. !!!!! In addition, vacancies are only 90% closed. So that the freed people will go up !!!

[Oldwiser]

You are mistaken, my dear, - you just won’t get a job in the civil service - the competition is the same and the FSB check

[Giant thought]

Not too effective work of these departments and served as the basis for their disbandment. Let's hope that the organized scheme for resolving all these issues will work better so that we do not have to return to the old schemes, as we often do.

[Evgen4ik]

At the moment, everything is working inefficiently with us. I don’t know ... there are no complaints against the Ministry of Emergencies. And then we do not know the whole kitchen. How much is left? Global reform is needed. Stress. Shock therapy) but not like Gaidar did. It’s necessary to shake with a stick this stinking bunch of bureaucrats.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Evgen4ik

At the moment, everything is working inefficiently with us. I don’t know ... there are no complaints against the Ministry of Emergencies. And then we do not know the whole kitchen. How much is left? Global reform is needed. Stress. Shock therapy) but not like Gaidar did. It’s necessary to shake with a stick this stinking bunch of bureaucrats.

in principle, I agree, but ... it is written together on the left, although ... iPhones, smartphones, tablets, in traffic there is no time to observe spelling, syntax and punctuation (I did not want to scare those who really does not know ! ))))

[kostella85]

There are no complaints about the Emergencies Ministry ??? When the forests were on fire in the Kurgan region, Shoigu (at that time the Minister of Emergency Situations) was only responsible for the local authorities 3.14, that they were badly extinguished. The Ministry of Emergency Situations decided to extinguish the forest when Chashinsk and Iletskoye burned down, and a little bit the train did not take fire. Shoigu is very fond of "heroism"!
PS at least zaminusuyte, but the opinion of this person has not changed since 2008, in other matters as well as about the Ministry of Emergencies (I don’t mean the rescuers of real heroes)

[siberalt]

Bureaucracy begets itself. It's like a law of nature. Therefore, you need to "weed" constantly. Since we have a vertical of power, then you can imagine how many local ministers of this profile (and we have such in almost any large, and not so, city), not counting the regions, republics and autonomies), then the reduction will be impressive. But the trouble is, the same "downsized" will sit in other ministries, which will be given a state for everyone. So that in a circle, there will be no savings. The usual administrative redistribution of influences, for purposes known to all.

[pahom54]

for afire

... "The corruption component should decrease ... in theory ...."

"... Thus, the number of ministries in the government of the Russian Federation, as well as departments related to defense orders and supplies, is getting smaller. By design, this should lead to budget savings ...
Will the plan merge in this case with the harsh reality? ... "

Unfortunately, from the experience of both Soviet life and life under Russian neocapitalism, I can say that the harsh reality will be this: this bunch of loafers will smoothly flow from one institution to another ... Reduce - well, maybe a few cleaners, several workers on maintenance of buildings, a couple of electricians-plumbers ...
So I am more than sure - another window dressing, showing the people how they are fighting a huge number of officials ... The "clip" is a clip, officials are not thrown out of it so easily, they just find a similar warm place ... Unfortunately ...

[ramzes1776]

Quote: pahom54

"... Thus, the number of ministries in the government of the Russian Federation, as well as departments related to defense orders and supplies, is getting smaller. By design, this should lead to budget savings ..."

These two departments under Serdyuk appeared to cut the dough. It was high time they had to be dispersed. The people there from 80 tr. and received above without having any idea about the army and its needs.

[military]

Quote: ramzes1776

These two departments under Serdyuk appeared to cut the dough. It was high time for them to be dispersed.

correctly "We do not need impostors! We will cut them ourselves!"

[creak]

Quote: pahom54

Unfortunately, from experience as a Soviet life

From the experience of Soviet life, I remember the phrase that was used then: "We shorten the apparatus - lengthen the coil ..."

[Grbear]

pahom54-y
... that the harsh reality will be this: this bunch of loafers will flow smoothly from one institution to another ...

This is no secret to anyone. An official position is, by definition, a sinecure. The task of an official is not to create, but to carry out the law, instructions and regulations within the budget. And it is impossible to fight against this until at the level of managers, officials who are supposed to make decisions by position, there is no personal responsibility, at least for the decisions already made. This will sharply divide the initiative and simply executive officials of the "top" level. From the first, you can grow the next level, the second to reward for the accuracy of execution, but - all personally and individually.

And in our case, disguised as a reorganization, the removal of "speckled" officials occurs. the new "bodies" have already been created and completed.

[pahom54]

for GrBear

"... From the first one can grow the next level ..." ...

You practically repeat the idea of ​​Plato's work "On the State". It would seem how simple it is: to educate managers from an early age and select and appoint them to levels corresponding to their knowledge, skills, energy and aspirations ... And useless ones - or leave them at the level of an ordinary clerk-clerk, or send revenge to the streets ...
It would seem so simple!
So no, the modern bureaucratic little soul in every possible way perverts this most ancient common truth and turns business relations into nepotism-blatism, smoothly flowing into cut-theft-impunity ...
Alas and ah, but this, unfortunately, is so ...

[Tatar 174]

Quote: afire

The smaller the bureaucratic apparatus, the easier the budget.

There is still a lot of work .... Who knows, he knows.

[propolsky]

The less different pads between the state and the army, the stronger our defense!

[Oleg NSK]

I agree ... it was high time to disperse all this pack of "sawmills"

[viktorrymar]

The U.S. Department of State will pay more than half a million dollars to train its staff to properly state their position at briefings and during congressional speeches. The private company AMTIS took up this. Recently, department officials have repeatedly been targeted by US lawmakers for their inability to articulate their thoughts clearly. Criticism is often made to the official representative of the US State Department, Jen Psaki.

Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/44703#ixzz3CiSw8rwq

[doctor]

Do not touch psaki. Let it be hot.

[siberalt]

I agree. Psaki is more interesting to watch than Petrosyan.

[Ober.K]

Shows "Time" ....

[RU-Officer]

Well, yes, "Vremya" will show something else ...
Maybe "Military Secret" or "Postscript". Years later, in 10.

[Same lech]

President Vladimir Putin supported such an initiative.

It would be better if we sorted out SKOLKOVO and RUSNANO ... otherwise the money was swollen there immeasurably and the result is one big .... PUK.

[Oleg NSK]

... give time, and it will get to these ... Red already smells ... for sure the "airfield" has already prepared ... somewhere in the neighborhood of Nemtsov ...

[man_of_war]

Or maybe all these Skolkovo and so on are just a "screen" for real matters, including strengthening the defense capability ...

[Starmos]

More precisely - NANOPUK!

[enot73]

The first step was to abandon Rosoboronzakaz and Rosoboronpostavki,

Looks like they got everyone with their "kickbacks" system

[VNP1958PVN]

Maybe this is good, only everything that is immediately alarming from Medvedev, what's the catch?

[Good cat]

On a nearby branch it was written that the Ministry of Regional Development was the last body to defend national interests, and that this retreat under the pressure of sanctions (I personally do not think so) can someone refute or confirm ?? Section Politics The Ministry of Regional Development fell under the pressure of sanctions

[the polar]

The main foreign exchange raw materials that keep the budget are mined in Siberia and the Urals, and they primarily care about the development of the Crimea and the North Caucasus, for which they composed an entire ministry with a horde of parasites. But the development of Siberia is neither a rumor nor a spirit, and no special ministries. Siberians in the province live many times poorer than the North Caucasus and peasants do not build three-story brick huts in Siberian villages.
The Siberians did not deserve anything in power except a wooden hut, and impassable roads

[Tanysh]

from the Volga region
The people are also built not "thanks" to the concerns of the government, but "in spite of" them and the ghoul bankers
And youth migration from the region is steadily growing

[Mama_Cholli]

Apparently the number of ministries will really decrease. The question is: Will the budget savings affect the kickbacks of "defense officials"?

[kr33sania]

If they scratched their turnips well before, and there would be more benefit than harm, then God forbid!

[Balamyt]

It would be better to sort out SKOLKOVO and RUSNANO ...

everything from Medvedev is immediately alarming

Skolkovo and Rusnano, this is the last thing left in the memory of Medvedev's presidency. He will not "hand over" them for anything .......
But Medvedev’s initiatives are alarming, only because they are either over-populist or absolutely stupid ..... You should not expect anything from him! The prime minister’s chair is clearly not for him!
He would teach Roman law, lead a circle of photography, write memoirs about meetings with his friend Barak .....

[Good cat]

I absolutely agree, this muddy figure is surprising and annoying!

[P-38]

and with this proposal of Dmitry Medvedev, Vladimir Putin agreed

"Medvedev suggested" ... After Putin hinted

[Mercenary]

A good thought scares one author Medvedev. No matter how it happened, both with technical inspections (they used to carry money to the police, but now it’s also unknown to anyone more expensive) and rename the police to the police (not forehead but a spout)!

[Bobo beck]

Even PETR1 could not cope with the theft of the boyars and the senate, this is the Cross of the Russian (Soviet) people :) I remember Menshikov dragged by the hair, but after all an ally and comrade .... We have immense ministries, and this company is reducing officials, which ?

[Bombardier]

They cannot cope with theft anywhere, not only in Russia, this is not only our cross. In China they shoot, but they continue to steal, I will not bring other countries, it will take many lines.
But there really is a problem.

[MilesAth]

Good decision. It is much more effective when the Ministry of Defense itself, the final consumer of military products, deals with the supply of weapons to the Russian Armed Forces. And there is no need for Rosoboronzakaz, acting as an unnecessary link.
Relatively recently, the institution of military representatives at defense enterprises was revived, this is also a clear plus.
According to the Ministry of Regional Development: it is necessary to recall the relatively recent scandals - the theft of state funds during the organization of the APEC summit (case of Roman Panov), and there were other cases related to this ministry.

[sub307]

Let's wait and see what will come of these "maneuvers".

[erased]

The bureaucrats will always find a soft chair, so as not to work. This gang just does not disperse. Although I would like to.

[hawk]

So, figuratively speaking, the cabbage was handed over to the rams, and they, in turn, were herded to the wolves.
Why in due time formed a single federal structure to place a government order?
Two main reasons - 1. save on officials (a single mechanism for all security officials)
2. reduce the possibility of corruption among customers.
Now each department of the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the PS of the FSB and others like them needs to create their own full-fledged structures for the preparation, holding of tenders and the execution of contracts. Therefore, by a common denominator, there will be more officials. The single controller is Rosoboronzakaz, he also issued licenses, kept registers, considered complaints, led disputes, etc. etc., orders to live long. Again, the Customers "themselves with a mustache." It is clear that the main impetus for this idea is Shoigu. The procedures become more pedalized by him. So it is faster, more reliable and, if anything, you can fix it quickly ...
It is important for us suppliers that by the beginning of a new bid campaign we’ll have time to reorganize everything, otherwise we’ll again disrupt the terms for placing a defense order.

[hawk]

Well, now read the text of the Decree. I assure you - I did not prepare it, but everything turned out like that.

[Dwarfik]

Well, if the President himself will lead the defense commission (I’m not specifying, because I don’t want to make a mistake) then why are all these approvals endless! All right!

[Mountain shooter]

Well, I think it started. And this is just the beginning. VVP sensed support and began to "deal" with officials. Good luck with that.

[JonnyT]

Vova throws dust in the eyes of "Western partners". I remember the State Department once said that he liked Medvedev better (like such a democrat and liberal, etc., etc.), so the GDP and decided to pretend that he had repented of his arrogance and began to improve with the help of the beloved West Medvedev)))))) )

[zone72]

everything is right, and then 100 hars sit and shift responsibilities to each other

[tolmachiev51]

Attempts to abolish the cumbersome management apparatus are commendable. But this is Russia, tomorrow these parasites / accustomed to doing nothing / will form an incomprehensible committee and will also sit in offices, burn people's money and not do nichrome. The law of keeping the "official" at work.

[Blacks]

not the topic, but worth it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkdyTONyfIU
after all the patriots.

[givigor71]

It’s time to reduce the number of ministries and departments, and over the past 20 years there have been more of them than in the USSR ...

[family tree]

I do not even know ... From Medvedev's initiatives, lately, something starts to flatten me right away, I want to cross myself and whisper, "Get lost, uncountable!" He, one fig, will put some pig instead.

[Massik]

What to do if he did not stain himself with any good deeds. Gaz.prom ...

[Coconut Tima]

In the Ministry of Regional Development, people drank .. oh, they plowed for the good of the motherland with a modest budget of 240 billion rubles!

[s30461]

What good news!
Now back to the earth and see how it will look.
1. Everyone who was sitting in one building will resolve to another.
2. Those who worked for the result out of conscience will be left behind - this will be presented as a dumping of the "ballast of bureaucracy."
3. All approvals will become even more confusing, legislation and bribery even more sophisticated.
4. Making decisions on the purchase of weapons and strategically important events (revival of aircraft construction, shipbuilding, etc.) will be simplified to the delight of "carpet generals", since now the circle of control has closed on its own department. And the Accounts Chamber is in the subject.
What is the point of creating departments and ministries that are not even responsible for what they themselves have come up with?
The effectiveness of the entire huge bureaucratic army is 0%.
It is necessary to return to the Soviet model of governance in everything: only the system of drug commissariats of the 41/45 model is better and more efficient. And Gosplan must be mandatory !!!
... and yes: Fashington must be destroyed !!!

[kostella85]

About Gosplan, even capital-gangs, such as S. Lisovsky, said about 5 years ago that the liquidation of the Gosplan was D.E. B. I. L. I. Z. M. This organization could perfectly coordinate agricultural producers, and industrialists too.

[The Art of War]

http://nampuom-pycu.livejournal.com/77050.html Советую почитать!

[Yves762]

- In May, Medvedev instructed departments in budgetary calculations for 2015-2017 to provide for the possibility of a new ten percent reduction in the number of civil servants in the Russian Federation;

- by July-month, the Ministry of Economic Development decided that it is impossible to reduce the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Federal Tax Service, Federal Migration Service and Federal Registration Service, as this will clearly reduce their ability to provide public services to citizens - they need massive staff. It is also impossible to reduce the departments that in recent years have applied to the Kremlin and the White House with proposals to increase their staff; it is impossible to reduce the staff of bodies in which staff optimization has already been achieved through the introduction of new information technologies .... That is. no one can be cut ...

- But the data of Rosstat indicate that the salaries of officials are growing faster ...

-But! It’s necessary to cut someone!
... ...
- We will reduce Rosoboronzakaz, Rosoboronpostavka and the Ministry of Regional Development !!!

- PROFIT !!! (????)

By the way, references to "getting into a pose" by the Ministry of Economic Development are not difficult to find ... but after all, only a fraction of time has passed .. .

And one more thing: why did they suddenly decide to ditch the "subdivisions" closely related to GPV 2020, despite the fact that the media only broadcast about success in implementation ???

[Vlad5307]

Quote: OldWiser

You are mistaken, my dear, - you just won’t get a job in the civil service - the competition is the same and the FSB check

because it’s not a corruption scandal, the bureaucrats are all tied up by the most I don’t want! It turns out the intra-clan struggle for a place in the sun, and they sawed the budget - they saw it! Carousel of officials and more! You need to change the management structure, and for this you need to know the purpose of management! And to manage, it’s not clear why, we have more than enough hunters. Yes, and the selection should open and by professional suitability, and not by devotion, personal responsibility for work is up to criminal. then there will be less hunters to steer, traitors and thieves will decrease.

[Massik]

When a manager really works, he starts to lose weight, he needs to be in 5 places at the same time, rake paper. He thinks about “how to do it”, not “why it won't work out).
As it was with us, "You vote for the thin one, in a year, that muzzle, that ass!" ,and there is ...

[Captain45]

Quote: kostella85

In the RSFSR, there were about a million all officials, in Russia from 2006 to 2010 (the period of administrative reform), the number of federal officials was INCREASED with 1,2 mil. until 1,7 mil. !!!!!

In 1983, I graduated from a financial college, so in the state budget classes I brought the number of state machinery and managers in the USSR to 289,5 million people. there were 1,8 million people in the USSR, in Russia there are 142,7 million people per 1,480 million people (according to the latest census). The country is half as much as the population, and nettle seed is not decreasing. That's the dialectic and the reduction of official stomata to foresee.

Quote: Evgen4ik

At the moment, everything is working inefficiently with us. I don’t know ... there are no complaints against the Ministry of Emergencies.

In Altai, it was the Minister of Emergency Situations Puchkov who received a stick from Putin for not being able to determine the amount of damage caused since May, after which he shouted "Comrade President, Comrade President!" Was getting down, apparently Kuzhegetovich was poorer in such situations.

[jagdpanzer]

okay at least not a fellow secretary general shouted

[studentmati]

President on the proposal of the Prime Minister disbanded "Rosoboronzakaz", "Rosoboronpostavku" and Ministry of Regional Development

It’s immediately clear that the idea does not belong to Dmitry Anatolyevich! He was forced to voice his sins in such a veiled form. Which, however, causes respect (as with the translation of the clock, I remembered ...)! Better later than the bloody opposition.

[Cap]

Poor Luntik! Etozh how many of his homies were torn from the feeder!

[faterdom]

It always amazed: the Minnats, the Minregion ... But this, apart from foreign policy, the army, security and law enforcement, is the primary tasks of the sovereign (president) and prime minister. Personally.
And in our country this is a sump of second-class officials with vague powers and tasks.
The mayor will take care of the sensible one, but remember and think about the regions - this is the President, be kind.

[Mishut37rf]

Quote: afire

In principle, good.
The smaller the bureaucratic apparatus, the easier the budget.
The work efficiency of those who have undertaken this work will increase.
The corruption component should decrease ... theoretically.

Smaller?!? But how could you even think such a thing ... Yeah, right now ... The Ministry of Regional Development or Rosoboronzakaz covered up and 95% of the bribe takers-red tape-transfers in the toilets lifted ... Dreams, dreams ...

[jagdpanzer]

Quote: afire

in theory.

but in fact, the "bugs" were pumped off, fell off, right now they will lie down to get some treatment and again into battle! Think logically whether they will leave the trough?