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Expert: elections in a war are typical only for "banana republics"

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Kiev has long been discussing the issue of martial law. Decide to do it yet. But a day ago, the leader of the nationalist party Svoboda, Oleg Tyagnibok, proposed to the Rada a draft law proposing to allow parliamentary elections in a state of martial law. This is reported by the channel RT.

Expert: elections in a war are typical only for "banana republics"


“According to the current legislation, the introduction of martial law in Ukraine will make it impossible to hold early elections of people's deputies. In this regard, it is proposed to introduce provisions that will allow holding in a state of war or a state of emergency any elections that were held before the introduction of martial law or a state of emergency.- says the explanatory note to the document.

The publication reminds that the elections to the Verkhovna Rada are scheduled for October 26.

Ukrainian expert Yuriy Gorodnenko considers this bill to be a PR move by the company trying to raise its low ratings.

“It is necessary to enter the information field with a set of theses that will be attractive and interesting (...) In this case we are talking about how to legally prepare the ground for the introduction of martial law. And then it is martial law used for self-praise. After all, today the virus of aggressiveness is abandoned in Ukrainian society, it is militarized diligently. On this wave of politics, Tyagnibok and Tymoshenko, are trying to earn points. ”- commented on the situation Gorodnenko.

In his opinion, several points prevent the declaration of martial law: “Firstly, the Kiev authorities cannot decide who they are fighting with. There are no evidences of Russia's involvement in the armed conflict, and to declare that the war is being waged with its people is to expose oneself to the fun of the whole world. ” Secondly, the martial law "opens the way for various frauds and raider seizures under the cover of a military operation, that is, any oligarch who now controls military units, Kolomoisky, Lyovochkin with Akhmetov, can enter their units and seize any enterprise."

The expert is confident that elections under martial law are characteristic only of “banana republics”, countries in south-east Asia.

“For civilized countries, this is not typical. It is nonsense that a martial law be introduced in a European country and right there hold elections- considers Gorodnenko. - This does not correspond to the norms of democracy itself, which presupposes freedom of expression, freedom of the press. Under martial law this is not. In addition, one of the main conditions for democracy is the participation of all citizens in the electoral process. And if martial law is introduced, it is recognized that part of the country is not controlled by government forces. Speech about democracy cannot go if only Western and Central Ukraine will choose the Rada ”.

Another expert, the general director of the Center for Political Information, Aleksey Mukhin, told the “RT” correspondent that Poroshenko and his team are currently trying to change the “interface” of the Ukrainian parliament and squeeze objectionable deputies out of it.

“The attempt to“ reload ”Rada, while leaving it with a working tool, is in fact unconstitutional, that is, it does not comply with the constitutional norms of Ukraine itself. But, nevertheless, it is being done to have an obedient tool in the future, on the one hand, and on the other hand, not to interrupt the lawmaking process in the interests of the existing power group and Washington, which oversees this process. ”- said Mukhin.

He believes that in fact Kiev is not interested in the conduct of martial law, since it will subsequently have to be responsible for their crimes.

“Martial law is not introduced, because for this it will be necessary to recognize the opposing side of the military. Accordingly, all international rules and regulations that apply to the conduct of hostilities, in a state of "war", are in a state of war. This means that the Geneva Convention will be in effect, etc. Kiev authorities are not interested in the fact that now these international standards are included. Because they committed a sufficient number of war crimes, for which, most likely, they are awaiting them, ideally, a military tribunal, and an international one. ”- summed up Mukhin.
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  1. belovur
    belovur 3 September 2014 14: 02
    +19
    and Dill is a banana republic, and even what laughing
    1. spech
      spech 3 September 2014 14: 07
      +9
      she is not banana, she is grassy wassat
      1. portoc65
        portoc65 3 September 2014 14: 10
        +3
        Ukrainians evolved from a dill plant.
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 3 September 2014 14: 25
          +4
          Kiev has long been discussing the introduction of martial law. It can’t decide yet. But a day ago, the leader of the nationalist party "Freedom" Oleg Tyagnibok proposed to Rada his bill proposing to allow parliamentary elections in conditions of martial law.

          Just Ukraine as an independent state did not take place. Ukraine has never in its life understood what sovereignty is and what it is eaten with.
          And further attempts to play in the independence will not lead to anything good.

          This country always needed an outside manager, some sort of external manager who would suggest how to do what and where to go. Now it is the US State Department.

          Russia could also be such a manager (by the way, this is the best option). But due to the onset of political cold weather of the 90s accompanied by UkroBenderovshchina and the Holodomor, this became impossible. And it played a small role here, the eternal resentment of Russia is not clear why. They are offended by Russia, but how to formulate it.

          The crisis in Ukraine will certainly be resolved. But most likely ...... most likely, Ukraine as a state may no longer exist.
          I have always said that Ukraine needs to make a clear choice with whom to be. But internal contradictions, when people lament for Bender, but at heart something suggests that European integration is a mistake, just give birth to such .... let's say, violent reactions.

          And now the moment has come when this very offense was formulated, Russia is to blame for everything, as long as Russia is Ukraine is not destined to live well. But even here, it’s a bummer ...... the people gradually begin to be fed up with Russophobia, but the government is desperately trying to feed the people further with this porridge.

          In short, all their elections, re-elections, this will not save this state, the point of no return has been passed.
        2. WKS
          WKS 3 September 2014 15: 25
          +1
          Quote: spech

          she is not banana, she is grassy

          You can’t offend a country like that. Sugar beet is the main agricultural crop in Ukraine. It requires cultivation and growing it is much harder than bananas or dill herb. Beetroot Republic of Ukraine, which was associated in the EU, abbreviated as SROKA in the EU.
      2. Момент
        Момент 3 September 2014 14: 14
        +6
        Ukraine threw all international rights into the trash can, as well as its patrons. Therefore, if necessary, they will declare themselves aliens, and they can do anything.
      3. datur
        datur 3 September 2014 18: 21
        0
        no no !! they are greasy !!! lol
    2. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 3 September 2014 14: 08
      +4
      Ukraine is the Maidan Republic, especially since the next is on its way. lol
      1. WKS
        WKS 3 September 2014 15: 30
        +3
        Quote: B.T.W.
        Ukraine is the Maidan Republic, especially since the next is on its way. lol

        Ukrainian Maidanutaya United Republic - UMOR.
    3. portoc65
      portoc65 3 September 2014 14: 08
      +5
      Ukraine is the name of the territory, like the Kuban..Donbas .. from what kind of country did it become? For all human history this land did not belong to anyone, but it was and is part of the Russian world and not the Galician-Volyn principality, subjects of Austro-Hungarian
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 September 2014 14: 10
      +6
      Quote: belovur
      and Dill is a banana republic, and even what

      Yes, no, according to the standard of living in the country and the chaos, Ukraine, the banana republics are already far away.
      President Somalia recently promised that he will not allow what is happening in Ukraine in the country.
      Well, okay, this is so between things, but the West recognizes these elections as the standard of democracy wassat And after all psaki in all seriousness will speak about it.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 3 September 2014 14: 13
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, no, according to the standard of living in the country and the chaos, Ukraine, the banana republics are already far away.

        By the way, yes, even Libya is ahead of Ukraine in terms of GDP growth! Greetings, Alexander! hi
        1. 23 region
          23 region 3 September 2014 14: 16
          +1
          Quote: Sid.74
          By the way, yes, even Libya is ahead of Ukraine in terms of GDP growth

          Ukraine and "back" and "forward"!
    5. Bobxnumx
      Bobxnumx 3 September 2014 14: 16
      +2
      No, it is still undersized to the status of a "banana republic". This is more attractive to the republic of schizophrenics.
    6. Ober.K
      Ober.K 3 September 2014 14: 21
      +2
      For the sake of justice, it should be noted that last year she (Ukraine) occupied one of the leading places in the world in the supply of corn, sunflower and wheat ... Now ..., now only "raw materials" for crematoria ...
      1. i80186
        i80186 3 September 2014 14: 36
        +2
        How good it is in our time, the captain said half-jokingly, to be able to overthrow the presidents and put others in their place of their own choosing.
        (C) O. Henry "Kings and Cabbage"
        "Banana Republic" - is what came from this work. smile
    7. 222222
      222222 3 September 2014 14: 55
      0
      Bananas do not grow-RAPA is a lot and ragweed American ..
    8. Aleksandr68
      Aleksandr68 3 September 2014 19: 12
      0
      Quote: belovur
      and Dill is a banana republic, and even what laughing
      it has been a banana republic since 2004, and imposing martial law means breaking off with the help of the IMF
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 3 September 2014 14: 02
    +11
    banana republics are offended when dill is compared with them
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 3 September 2014 14: 12
      0
      Well, of course .. only artiodactyls and Ukrainians can jump
    2. 23 region
      23 region 3 September 2014 14: 14
      +5
      Quote: andrei332809
      banana republics are offended when dill is compared with them

      Somali President Hassan Sheikh Mahmoud:
      "... on the territory of Ukraine, no doubt, there is a civil war and a humanitarian catastrophe is brewing. In addition, Hasan Sheikh Mahmud said that he is very concerned about the situation with refugees, when a person's life is not worth a shilling, and hopes that the Russian Federation will be able to protect people.

      Somali President Hassan Sheikh Mahmoud concluded his statement with the words: "I will do everything to prevent the transformation of Somalia into Ukraine."
  3. igor1981
    igor1981 3 September 2014 14: 03
    +2
    What elections there is another farce.
  4. volot-voin
    volot-voin 3 September 2014 14: 04
    +5
    "And you friends do not sit down,
    All are not good musicians "(Krylov)
    The agony of power, they no longer know what to do. Either Bondarenko interferes with them, then Lyashko catches blows in the face, then they disperse the Rada.
  5. Shaitan
    Shaitan 3 September 2014 14: 05
    +3
    Personally, I do not see the difference between the political regimes of the "banana" republics and the modern Outskirts, and that and that absolutely do not care about people and the number of victims among them.
  6. Loner_53
    Loner_53 3 September 2014 14: 07
    +2
    In banana republics, there is an order of magnitude more than in Ukraine.
    winkedAnd their election is simple blah blah blah.
  7. MilesAth
    MilesAth 3 September 2014 14: 08
    +4
    Where are you going to choose something? In fact, the state of Ukraine ordered a long life.
    Died dead
    1. 23 region
      23 region 3 September 2014 14: 22
      0
      Quote: MilesAth
      Where are you going to choose something? In fact, the state of Ukraine ordered a long life.
      Died dead

      WELL DISPOSED
  8. Arh
    Arh 3 September 2014 14: 10
    +1
    Banana mutants !!!
  9. Mishanya 84
    Mishanya 84 3 September 2014 14: 10
    +5
    Paradox in a country where President Porosenko is very fond of fat !!! laughing
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 3 September 2014 14: 17
      0
      This will be the next stage of their president ...
  10. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 3 September 2014 14: 13
    +1
    Not banana but greasy, which is even more interesting. laughing
  11. 2224460
    2224460 3 September 2014 14: 14
    +6
    “For civilized countries this is not typical. It’s nonsense that martial law should be introduced in a European country and elections should be held right there, ”Gorodnenko believes.
    Project "Ukraine" is one big nonsense, and it looks like it (the project) ended unsuccessfully.
  12. special
    special 3 September 2014 14: 15
    0
    Bananas do not grow ... But there is dill ....
  13. quote
    quote 3 September 2014 14: 15
    +1
    Elections in wartime? Do all the "Geletae" have a brain?
  14. starhina01
    starhina01 3 September 2014 14: 15
    0
    in vain they break their heads, all the same, the elections will not save them. hi
  15. IAlex
    IAlex 3 September 2014 14: 15
    +1
    The banana republics are more progressive than parasitic dill, because unlike Ukraine diving everything, they have an export production of bananas through which they live ...
  16. ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 3 September 2014 14: 16
    0
    And who said that the current government did not lower its country to the level of a banana republic, Ukraine left the USSR as a sufficiently powerful industrial country and what it turned into, crowds of maydan idlers, stupid young people from nationalistic nonsense, stopped and plundered production, oligarchs behaving like colonizers on captured reed lands, IS IT NOT A BANANA REPUBLIC? And the media there are appropriate and guilty of the stupidity of leaders, the smartest and infallible, neighbors i.e. Russia and a lean year.
  17. asergu
    asergu 3 September 2014 14: 18
    +5
    Letter from Kyivan from France
    http://sevnews.info/rus/blog/Pismo-kievlyanki-iz-Francii/4894

    I am a Kyivan, I am ashamed of today's Kiev. My whole family maidanulis. No one will ask himself any questions. They all have one answer, this is Putin!

    ...
    I assure you! Such a channel as "rain" in our democratic France would never work for a day! And you can't scold prezik on TV! Everyone quietly hates him. Russia is now a democratic leader in general.

    ...
    Russians should be proud of a president like Putin! He got a beggarly country, which he literally folds in mosaics! I don’t know how he is still alive.

    Read it all
  18. Bronik
    Bronik 3 September 2014 14: 18
    0
    First, let them resolve all issues with Novorossia, its status, non-aggression, etc.
  19. andrei332809
    andrei332809 3 September 2014 14: 18
    0
    hahaha
    Ukraine begins to build a “Wall” on the border with Russia. This was stated by Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk, reports RBC-Ukraine. “We are starting the Wall project. This is the construction of the border between Ukraine and the Russian Federation, ”said Yatsenyuk.
  20. RusDV
    RusDV 3 September 2014 14: 19
    0
    elections in conditions of war are characteristic only of the “banana republics"

    And I kept thinking - what are they jumping !? This is also a reflex from there .... only there are not enough copies .... yes loincloths fastened on the heads .... Finally, we found the ancestral home of ancient ukrov .... amen! ... i.e. arctic fox!
  21. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 3 September 2014 14: 19
    0
    they themselves are to blame for what happened, themselves ... and now again, Russia to rake everything ...
  22. Dezinto
    Dezinto 3 September 2014 14: 19
    0
    A mistake and not a country. Why did they give so many gifts? Now they are ringing their own population.

    And Obama is probably sipping a beer enjoying the news.
  23. mig31
    mig31 3 September 2014 14: 20
    0
    The bucks themselves, the turgins and the eggs, were sold, and now they still want to make the whole people serfs ....
  24. Starmos
    Starmos 3 September 2014 14: 20
    0
    The degree of "shiza" is off the charts ... tadeputs dissolved glad put forward some bills ...
  25. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 3 September 2014 14: 25
    0
    Ukraine is a dill country! And for such a law as a drawbar, as it turned, it happened!
  26. tasey
    tasey 3 September 2014 14: 27
    0
    Salobananovaya "republic" ... A lot of things have been discussed in VO since the beginning of the junta's punitive campaign. Many things come true: the junta will "die", it seems .... No "reverse" of gas from Slovakia will help.
  27. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake 3 September 2014 14: 28
    0
    And they are dill-cabbage country ... Latitudes are not the same.
  28. kr33sania
    kr33sania 3 September 2014 14: 29
    0
    "It is nonsense that martial law is introduced in a European country and elections are immediately held," - of course, unpleasant, but Ukrainian nationalism, peppered with Banderaism, is such an irrational hellish mixture that defies logic at all. It is impossible to agree with them, they hate us. Even a madhouse can't fix these guys. Only drastic measures remain.
  29. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 3 September 2014 14: 34
    0
    “Martial law is not introduced, because for this it will be necessary to recognize the warring side as military. Accordingly, all international rules and norms that apply in the conduct of hostilities, in a state of "war", in martial law are included. And this means that the Geneva Convention will also be in force, etc. The Kiev authorities are not interested in these international norms being included now. Because they committed a sufficient number of war crimes, for which, most likely, they are expected, ideally, by a military tribunal, moreover, an international one, ”Mukhin summed up.

    Petya (with Obamka) is struggling to portray today's Ukraine as a country of "victorious democracy" with all its attributes: such as free elections, an "independent" parliament, "support" for power by the population, the mandatory presence in the country of "radical" separatists dissatisfied with "democracy" "," terrorists ", etc. And then there's the "external aggressor" in the person of Russia. Straight, as according to the training manual, everything is American.
  30. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 3 September 2014 14: 41
    0
    Ukraine is now much worse than any banana republic.
  31. Vitalka
    Vitalka 3 September 2014 14: 48
    0
    there is no such state as Ukraine. Why does a corpse need elections?
  32. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 3 September 2014 14: 51
    0
    WHAT'S NEXT??? How our rulers, the DNI and the LC will behave. This infection cannot be left free.
  33. Azovian
    Azovian 3 September 2014 15: 19
    +1
    Yes, let dill choose at least a king, at least a priest, NEW RUSSIA- do not care!
  34. MSA
    MSA 3 September 2014 15: 35
    0
    It’s time to change the emblem, the trident for a groove, it’s fun to mine ...
  35. Papania
    Papania 3 September 2014 16: 03
    0
    I wonder if they themselves do not realize that they are the "banana state" under the auspices of ...... s.
  36. gunter_laux
    gunter_laux 3 September 2014 17: 40
    0
    Battle fagot and baba yaga with a scythe, these are the symbols of the Svidomo buryak republic!
  37. Alfizik
    Alfizik 3 September 2014 23: 47
    0
    As the most civilized state, Ukraine should enter a "privileged" martial law. It is too early for her to become a "privileged NATO partner" (Ukraine is a member ... that is, membership is unnatural), but it is not too late to be in a privileged position over its own Rada. You look, and a Banderyugend will be created.