Here, in the Crimea, even tanks do not need to enter - Dzhemilev

We believe that the extension of the stay of the Russian Black Sea fleet in Crimea-this is really harmful for the interests of Ukraine, and for the interests of the Crimean Tatar people. This was announced in an exclusive interview for ZAXID.NET by the chairman of the Crimean Mejlis, Mustafa Dzhemilev (the text is in Russian here)

He said: “To give consent for the stay of the fleet of a country that has territorial claims, and when there are such significant forces that seek to reject the Crimea, at least it is unwise. Secondly, it is not in the interests of stability on the territory of the peninsula, since the stay of the Black Sea the fleet is inspired by separatist forces. They openly say: "As long as there is the Black Sea Fleet, Ukraine will not do anything to us, we will do what we want."

"In addition, if you take into account what happened in 2008 - the Russian-Georgian war, where Russian passports were handed out to Georgian citizens, Abkhazians and Ossetians, and then with tanks rushed to defend them, here, in the Crimea, even tanks are no longer necessary to enter. There are 23 thousand military men, that’s enough on a Crimean scale, "the leader of the Mejlis noted with concern.

"Therefore, we made a sharp statement that this is a betrayal of Ukraine’s national interests, that this agreement should be denounced. Of course, we understand that Ukraine’s economy is tied to Russia, there is a gas problem, but economic problems are not resolved by such territorial concessions. When In the Baltics, there was blackmail, which would block gas, electricity, they began to quietly prepare their own stoves, firewood, they said: “We will do without your gas, without your electricity, we want to be independent.” And then for what discount we went to concessions dangerous for the country. If the worst option arises, the advantages that we received or did not receive in the form of this insignificant discount on the price of gas will turn out to be such a trifle ... "- said Mustafa Dzhemilev.

And he added: “I think the Kiev elite have already begun to understand that they have gone overboard a bit with those Kharkov agreements. And I hope that at least on this basis they will understand the significance of the Crimean Tatar factor in the Crimea.”

Comments

[Draz]

Provocateur ... ugh

[Captain]

Whose cows would moo. Are Crimean Tatars demanding autonomy from Ukraine and are engaged in self-seizure of land?

[slas]

Quote: Captain

Whose cows would moo.

the most interesting is what can Mustafa Dzhemilev say about working with Turkey? Double everything --- moral standards, etc.

[Pinocchio]

It's just that Turkey supports the Muslim brothers in Crimea ... and very actively ... let's see how Ukraine will solve territorial issues of its integrity ... otherwise they are engaged in political eroticism ... Let them say thank you that the Black Sea Fleet , somehow covered their ass .... The return of the Black Sea, the age-old dream of "secular" Turkey ...
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[merkawa]

They believe, how long have they learned to count

[German]

we must not forget how the Crimea was part of Ukraine! and the Tatars generally need to shut up, where would they be now if not for Ukraine ...

[mitrich]

That's what a cunning Tatar (Crimean) Dzhamilev !!!!
An advocate of independent Ukraine has been found!
Now he does not like the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, then the Russians in Crimea, then the Ukrainians from the Crimea will be "asked", and that's it, the idiot's dream has come true: hello, the Crimean Khanate and its Khan Jamilev!
Correctly all the same, I.V. Stalin expelled from Crimea to Central Asia. I know one good Crimean Tatar - Amet Khan of the Sultan, I don’t know others.

[Superduck]

Normal people by the way, do not. In the Crimea, when I visit Tatars only, they are kind, hospitable. And the fact that you don’t like them so no one promised, they are competitors to the Slavs in Crimea, what to expect from a competitor, the laws of nature should be eaten. A quarter of Russians still live in Tatar houses and the Tatars do not really like this of course.
And by the way about the influence of Turkey in the Crimea - all this bullshit there is no influence there, another ideological myth.

[His]

They want to join Turkey. This is their century-old dream impossible.

[Superduck]

They don’t want anything. Although another 5 years of such management in the Crimea, as now, I myself want to join Turkey.

[His]

And why not to Russia. Our Crimea has always been. Got it with blood

[mitrich]

SuperDuck
I had a rest in a tavern with oriental cuisine the day before yesterday, and I can say the same as you (I hope you won't be offended that you are "you"): the owners are kind and hospitable. Only in those places where these owners come from, Russians can already be entered into the "Red Book".
You write like that because you live in glorious Kharkov. I would live in Crimea - maybe my thoughts would change.

[Superduck]

We can speak unformally.
Ok mitrichif I lived in Crimea, I probably would not have loved the Tatars, because they would have been my rivals for living space. The fact that they would not love me is also normal for them for the same reason. The Turks looked into my mouth in Turkey, too, not because I was so handsome, but because I gave them loot and did not pretend to anything, this is the text of the eastern tactics of hospitality, although sculpting the lamb of paradise from the Tatras is also stupid. It just seems to me that this is not a reason to demonize the Crimean Tatars without exception just because they are organizedly trying to defend their interests against the background of the general looting of the treasures of Crimea by the Slavic authorities.

[APASUS]

Superduck
I see you quickly figured out the geopolitics around the Crimea! I visited Antalya and found out all the Turkish secrets for money !!!!

[PSih2097]

and you don’t agree that Medzhelis is financed from Turkey (main financial flows)?

[Superduck]

No, the Tatras to the Turks are very mediocre and historically did not like them, the Tatars are a wild mixture of Tatars, Slavs, Greeks, Jews and Armenians. Since at least for a short time they entered the Ottoman Empire, they always tried to distance themselves from it. And Dzhemelev was never burned in relations with the Turks. Middle Eastern Muslims there mainly work in the field of theology. And through the mosques it is precisely there that the influence is going on, and not through the Majlis, because the Jamel non-aggression pact with the nationalists and the central government in general.

[Superduck]

Quote: APASUS

I see you quickly figured out the geopolitics around the Crimea! I visited Antalya and found out all the Turkish secrets for money !!!!

Yes, the Turks generally have little idea where it is Crimea. They have enough of their problems so far, the Kurds, Cyprus, Greece and of course Israel. They will remember Crimea when they have nothing to do at all. It is worthwhile to understand that for the Turks to unleash the map of Crimea, they need to work there intensively for about 20 years, now their influence there is NULL.

[PSih2097]

I believe that with such gavrikami (from Medjelis), one should act like after WWII
Stalin entered either the Kuril Islands or Turkey (or another state) for permanent residence.

[svvaulsh]

What are the Kuril Islands !? There, the Japanese will begin to resent.

[kesa1111]

Zhirinovsky said that if the Japanese want new earthquakes, they may be outraged. Synchronously appeared infa about the development of tectonic, meteorological and geophysical weapons.

[Ivan35]

Crimean Tatars leaders try to enter into an alliance with Ukrainian nationalists against Russian influence in Crimea
Of course, as part of Ukraine, they have more chances for autonomy than as part of a strong united Slavic state (such as the USSR or a new union under construction)
But it seems to me that ordinary Tatars Krymchaks will be better if the economy is better - if there is stability and prosperity. And this is easier to achieve as part of an alliance with Russia. So I live in Kazakhstan and see Kazakhs - the country has recently explored more oil reserves than in Libya, they have already begun to live well - and life is improving before our eyes. It would seem why they need Russia - but no - and the leadership of the country and the common people for integration (they call it that here) and oil, they do not feel sorry for the territory - because they look forward to the future and remember that more than 300 years ago they voluntarily joined Russia ... Why can't Krymchaks do like Kazakhs! If you are a "Soviet" people, then no one will infringe on you - the Kazakhs and the whole republic have been saved in the USSR - and I think deservedly

[Superduck]

Because no one repressed the Kazakhs and no matter what. And as we all know that the USSR was associated with the Russians, that’s why small nations keep all the grievances on the Russians, well, it’s easier for them than to figure out who is to blame. With Tatars and Meskhetian Turks and Chechens, too, no one understood who collaborated and who did not, so did they. I personally knew a Meskhetian Turk who had come from the war, all dressed in orders like a New Year tree, and he was on a train to Central Asia, and he was bleeding with throat, though he didn’t hold any evil against the Soviet government, probably like all real war veterans heads professionally threw out.

[Ivan35]

Yes, about repression, this is a good point - some peoples have suffered more than others and their anti-Soviet mood is clear
And about the association of the USSR with the Russians, it’s also correctly noted - indeed, all the negativity was relayed to the Russians — although they lived and did everything together

[bob]

Ivan35


then Georgians should be blamed

[PSih2097]

What Westerners tries ... they are being paid from Turkey and to the south ... they basically have the same tasks, but different methods.

[The Crimean]

I read here the opinion that "Of course, as part of Ukraine, they have more chances for autonomy than as part of a strong united Slavic state (such as the USSR or a new union under construction" - and so under none of the regimes - Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko, Yanukovych Tatars not a step closer to their blue dream.Even Mr. Shiklgruber at one time threw them robustly, although the Majlis did not already know what poses to take. They are tearing asses, but in recent years they are not so active in comparison with the 90s they take the loot, have a drink .... if they dispersed.of course, if a serious mess begins, such as Kosovo, then there will be enough fuckers who will begin to settle scores with the Slavs, but many now understand that in the event of a conflict they will stick themselves in and therefore do not want aggravation.And a few words about the autonomy of Crimea - Yanukovych is pushing the topic of the status equation with other regions of Ukraine, and that's all, scribe.

[serjio777]

If I’m not mistaken, the agreement between Russia and Turkey regarding the Crimea says that if it is not part of Russia, Turkey has the right to take it back to itself.

[figwam]

During the war, the Crimean Tatars helped the Germans search for our sailors on the rocky shore, giving out all the places where they could hide.
For helping the Germans, Stalin gave the Tatars a "new" place of residence.

[Superduck]

During the war, thousands of Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians did the same. And much more than the Tatars.

[PSih2097]

Amet-khan Sultan (Crimean Catalan. Amet-han Sultan; October 20, 1920 - February 1, 1971) - Soviet military pilot, Guard Major, Honored Test Pilot, twice Hero of the Soviet Union (1943, 1945). Pride of Soviet Aviation
Amet-Khan and his family are the few of those XNUMX Crimean Tatar people who were allowed to stay in Crimea.
In total, during the war he flew 603 sorties (70 of them to attack enemy manpower and equipment), conducted 150 air battles in which he personally shot down 30 and as part of a group of 19 enemy aircraft.
The title of Hero of the Soviet Union with the awarding of the Order of Lenin and the Gold Star medal (No. 1136) to the squadron commander of the 9th Odessa Red Banner Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment, Captain Amet-Khan Sultan was awarded on August 24, 1943. Major Amet-Khan Sultan was awarded the second Golden Star medal to the assistant commander for the air and rifle service of the same regiment (1st Air Army) of the Guard on July 26, 1945.

[Pol]

"Good" ... "bad" ....
And autonomy does not shine in any situation!
Too close to the Russian Federation, far from the USA. The Kosovo scenario will not work.
Let's live in peace!

[PSih2097]

In any case, Kosovo will take a ride ... after all, there are Poland, Romania, the Baltic states ...

[Pol]

"After all, there is Poland, Romania, the Baltic states" - where are they? where are they ???
There will be direct bargaining!
Ukraine will not join NATO if there are internal conflicts, then conflicts after "joining NATO" are impossible!
NATO does not need Ukraine in principle, only for the sake of bargaining with the Russian Federation!
Russia will not allow Ukraine to join NATO! (I think no need to explain why).
So - the presence of a "minor", "possible", "heated" conflict on the hands of everyone !!!!

[Pol]

Except ordinary people ....
Therefore, I write - "LET'S LIVE FRIENDLY !!!!"

[Superduck]

right, and then the people here got carried away with geopolitics forgetting that the brother-to-brother situation is quite real, but all Napoleons.

[plotnikov561956]

PSih2097,

In any case, Kosovo will take a ride ... after all, there are Poland, Romania, the Baltic states ...
Do not dissemble yourself. The country is different already

[mitrich]

Listen, SuperDuck!
Well, you can’t be so blind just because someone once fed you there and smiled affably. I just dick sometimes, reading the comments of representatives of the fraternal Ukrainian people!
The Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation is, in my opinion, the only, ONLY stabilizing factor in the Crimea. What is Jamilev and the Crimean Tatar Majlis seeking? Recognition of the Crimean Tatar autonomy in Crimea. And to which territory will it extend? To Bakhchisaray and the surrounding villages? Herushki. ON ALL Crimea. Your corrupt prostitute rulers, starting with Kravchuk, help them in this, and the Black Sea Russian fleet, Russians, Crimean Cossacks, grandmothers with posters and the most sane part of Ukrainian Crimean society interfere.
After all, Russia has already gone through all this, Chechnya is the most striking example, we still slurp. Do you want the same? But I’ll say right away - you will not cope, retreat, be afraid to fight with them, you will be afraid of blood. That's when you want to relax in the Crimea, and you will feel on yourself all their "affection and kindness."
And about Turkey. The administrator at the Antalya hotel in the Crimea may not give a damn, but the Turkish political, military, intelligence elite will not even give a damn. Their goal is to become a regional leader in the Black Sea basin, and so far they are coping with this role. Notice, not a single oil and gas pipe has passed Ankara over the past decade.
Wake up, SuperDuck, and look at the state of affairs in the Crimea objectively, and not from the point of view of a visitor to local eateries.

[Superduck]

Mitrich, calmer and toned. As you noticed in my brain a complete lack of ideological crap ... and because I say what I see and not what is accepted in certain circles, what you say here is the same thing and the same words do not make you honor.
So far, the Black Sea Fleet has not yet stabilized anything there, but rather, on the contrary, its very role in destabilization there, or do you believe the EBN was thinking about the Russian language when it kept the fleet and the pro-Russian government of Crimea there? You are partly right that the Tatars want autonomy, national autonomy with broad local self-government rights, they want to live there and not like cigans in huts, they need living space that the Slavs took from them. If they didn’t kill all of them then bear it. Tatars are a people who have long lost the tradition of statehood and do not aspire to it, too, Turkey. You have not seen in the Crimea for a long time. Crimea has long been under the control of local criminal elements, who, hiding behind the ersatz-Russian flag, tear the land and sanatoriums there. Tatars - by the cash register, do you think that they are poher? You don’t care what’s happening to Russia, and Crimea is their homeland, and that means a lot. The Tatars are trying to get their piece of the cake simply, they are confronted by a local kodla who grannies spend time against Ukrainians or Tatars, now Yanukovych has added his boys to this cauldron. After all, you have no evidence that the Mejlis wants the independence of Crimea, the death of the Slavs and other garbage that you are here. The only evidence is two semi-Bacchabian boys' cells for reading the Koran at mosques that seem to have funded from the emirates.
Do not look for too much politics where it does not exist. I understand that Russia does not need stability in the Crimea, explaining why I think it’s not worth it, Turkey will not need it when their hands reach the Crimea. The local government plays with the pro-Russian sentiment of the population every time they have another smelly speaker burning on a bribe. What are you doing conspiracy theology, adult uncles.
I personally do not need Tatar autonomy, but I am not a Tatar, why they are fighting for it - I understand. While the Tatars will be kept in a black body, they will boil and correctly how to do it for them.

[datur]

Superduck, also began and Chechnya. the result we all see. do you need it? us all the more!

[Superduck]

Everything was different in Chechnya. Some EBN left Dudaev’s arms depots and promised as much independence as you take away (or whatever he said), and the floor of Moscow was grazed on Chechen notes and illegal gasoline, vodka. And then it turned out that the dragon had grown. there are simply no such resources in Crimea to provide funding for such a movement. The Russians have all the loot there, and if the Black Sea Fleet merges their weapons, then in the last turn it will be the Tatars, the Ukrainian authorities will not arm them either.
In short nichrome it does not look like.

[valerei]

And why are you pulling all the throats? I read your comments and decided to register on the site just for the sake of it. What is the noise about? You still have to fight, hot Finnish guys! In any situation, not a single ordinary Russian and our fleet in the Crimea shines anything. The time will come and hello Novorossiysk and Tuapse is for the fleet. Crimea for Russia is over and it is a fact! We will never fight with Ukraine, for any reason. But, assuming (purely theoretically) that the Crimea is Russian, this does not mean that it is ours, i.e. personally yours and mine. Apart from the local bandits, all sorts of Abramovichs, Potanins and Luzhkovs immediately rush there. And again we get horseradish with butter! Here I look that your trepidation began on July 18, and ended on the 19th. As the saying goes: croaked and mud!

[plotnikov561956]

valerei,
Crimea for Russia is over and this is a fact
In a year or two, the presidency of GDP will be different. Putin has not yet made his toughest speech. Munich speech - will seem affectionate toast

[nvpnvpnvp]

But for e. He does not want this - Mustafa?
From the Crimean Russian woman?
we have not forgotten how in the war with the Germans they killed the Russians in front of the German troops in whole streets, though later the Germans shot them anyway.