Russian return to the Caucasus

The outflow of the Russian population from the North Caucasian republics acquired a landslide character in the 90s of the last century. The exodus of the Russian population and the imbalance caused by it did not pass without a trace either for the republics of the North Caucasus or for Russia as a whole. In fact, there is a degradation in the main areas of vital activity of these subjects of the federation and a weakening of Moscow’s influence on the socio-political processes taking place here. It is no coincidence that lately an increasing number of politicians are turning their attention to this problem and signifying the return to the region of the Russian population as one of the main directions for improving and stabilizing the situation in this region.

One of the main supporters of the return to the North Caucasus of the Russian-speaking population is the adviser to the President of the Russian Federation Murat Zyazikov. According to him, the necessary and priority task is to preserve and strengthen the escaping inter-ethnic and inter-confessional balance in the North Caucasian republics. What is necessary to take measures to return to the cities and villages of the region, the previously left Russian population. According to Zyazikov, Caucasus needs internationalism. The Russian people could always unite and consolidate other peoples around them. Russians are capable of respecting and accepting the traditions of various nations, which is also of great unifying importance, notes Murat Zyazikov. The peculiarities of the Russian attitude to other nationalities and the peculiarities of the Russian character can and should play a positive role in the fate of all the peoples of the Caucasus.

The decline in the Russian population in the region began in the Soviet times in the 60-70-s of the twentieth century, but then it was caused primarily by natural demographic reasons. However, at the end of the 80s, during the “Perestroika” era, the “Russian question” in the region acquired a completely different character. The situation reached a critical point in 1994, with the start of the first Chechen campaign. During this period, along with the failed policy of the federal center in the region, radical Islamic movements began to gain strength, partly transforming into terrorism and religious-political extremism. As a result of this, the outflow of the Russian population from the republics of the North Caucasus has acquired just a precipitous character, writes in his work “Do Russians Return to the Caucasus?” Igor Dokayev, Doctor of Philosophy, Professor at Southern Federal University, writes.

In absolute terms, this outflow was expressed as follows. In 1989, the share of Russians in the republics of the North Caucasus was 26% or, in absolute figures, 1359, thousand people, with the total population of the region being 5305, thousand people. And ranged from 9% in the Republic of Dagestan to 68% in the Republic of Adygea. By the 2002 census, this figure fell by 15%, and the total Russian population to 994 is thousand people. In total for 13 years, the negative balance of the Russian population in the region was 360 thousand. In addition to the migration processes, this decrease was intensified due to the negative natural population growth.

The largest decrease in the number of the Russian population was due to the Chechen and Ingush republics, which in fact turned into mono-national subjects of the Russian Federation. Since the number of Russian residents in Chechnya from 1989 to 2002, the year was reduced by 230 thousand people, and the share in the total number fell from 23 to 1,5%. In Ingushetia, the share of the Russian population is only 1%. In Dagestan, the number of Russians decreased from 9 to 4,7% (by 45 thousand people), in the Republic of North Ossetia-Alania - from 29% to 23% (by 24 thousand people), in the Kabardino-Balkarian Republic - from 32% to 23 % (per 14 thousand people). And only in the Republic of Adygea, the share of the Russian population continues to remain practically at the same level, having decreased from 68 to 64% (by 4,4 thousand people). This slight decrease is due to the specifics of the region and the enclave location of the Republic of Adygea in the Krasnodar Territory.

In recent years, realizing the negative consequences of this outflow, the heads of the region are trying to solve this problem. The situation in the North Caucasus is slowly, but still changing for the better, old conflicts are amenable to settlement. Activization of terrorists is declining, local legislation is being brought in line with the Constitution of the Russian Federation, some revival is planned in the economic and social areas. The authorities in the region come to understand that a number of political and socio-economic projects aimed at modernizing without the involvement of the Russian population are simply doomed to great difficulties.

Construction of an Orthodox church in Chechnya, photo from http://demushkin.com

Currently, almost all North Caucasian republics are implementing special programs aimed at the return of the Russian population. The suspension of the outflow of the Russian population from Dagestan is recognized by the leadership of the republic as one of the main tasks. The President of the Republic annually addresses this issue in his letters to the National Assembly. According to the authorities of Dagestan, this problem cannot be solved only by private measures. We need a comprehensive approach with improving the socio-economic conditions of life of the population in the region, improving the economy of the region. In the northern regions of the republic, where the Russian population lives most compactly, the Coordination Council was created, headed by the Deputy Prime Minister of the Republic of Dagestan. Adopted and implemented the republican program "North", aimed at preserving historical the identity of the Russian population. The program suspended the outflow of the population from the republic; since 2002, about 5 thousand people have returned here.

There is a program for the return and settlement of the Russian-speaking population in the Chechen Republic. The authorities of the republic allocate funds for the restoration of religious institutions of the Orthodox Church, as well as putting in order the Orthodox cemeteries. On the days of church holidays, the authorities of the republic organize work to ensure the safety of believers. Moreover, even a change in public opinion in relation to the Russian-speaking population does not lead to its return to the republic. Today in Chechnya there is practically no affordable housing market, and unemployment exceeds 50%. The production sector of the republic’s economy, in which the Russians mainly worked, was not fully restored.

According to the Chechen authorities, the lack of work is the main obstacle to the return of the Russian-speaking population to the republic. According to the spokesman for the head of Chechnya, Alvi Karimov, measures are now being taken in Chechnya to return the Russian-speaking population. This is part of the political program of the head of the republic, aimed at returning to the region of those who are forced to leave it due to various circumstances. According to him, people who left 15-20 years ago are hard to come back, they have settled down somewhere, during which time a new generation has grown, young people reluctantly leave large cities where they get education or got a job. At the same time, the situation on the labor market in Chechnya is very tense, although work on creating new jobs is constantly under way. Against this background, artificially activating the return of Russians to the region with the provision of benefits for them in employment can again cause social tension in the region and increase the degree of anti-Russian populations.

It is precisely the problems of employment and the insufficiently high socio-economic development of the regions that contributes to the outflow of Russians from such traditionally loyal republics as Kabardino-Balkaria and North Ossetia (Alania). At the same time, in Kabardino-Balkaria, the main hopes are associated with the resumption of production at the Tyrnyauz Mining and Processing Plant, and the creation of jobs in industry.

The problem of unemployment in the region is partly planned to be solved through the development of tourism infrastructure. The natural conditions of the region are excellent for deploying a network of ski resorts here. It is tourism, according to federal and regional authorities, that can help the region to overcome the crisis. Already, a program is being implemented here to create a North Caucasian tourism cluster consisting of 5 ski resorts in Adygea, Kabardino-Balkaria, Karachay-Cherkessia, North Ossetia and Dagestan. For these purposes, created JSC "Resorts of the North Caucasus". It is planned to invest about 450 billion rubles in the development of tourism infrastructure. For these purposes should be built about 803 km. ski slopes, hotels, new roads and airports. At present, the Russian side seeks to attract French and Austrian investors, with whom preliminary agreements have already been reached, to implement this project.

New 30-thousandth stadium. A. Kadyrov in Grozny

The economic development of the North Caucasus in Moscow is planned to lead in three directions: light industry, the agricultural sector and tourism. By assigning a key role to the development of tourism. It is assumed that the implementation of this federal strategy for the development of the region will help to create around 100 000 new jobs. The creation of new jobs will directly contribute to the preservation and growth of the Russian-speaking population.

Also one of the most important areas for stabilizing the region as a whole and improving inter-ethnic relations is sports. A big sport can be a factor uniting people, Murat Zyazikov believes. In this regard, holding the largest international competitions in Russia is a big step towards this. In the coming years, Russia will host the 2013 Universiade of the Year, which will be held in Kazan, the Winter Olympics in Sochi at 2014, the World Hockey Championship in 2016, and the World Cup in 2018. The holding of these international competitions, undoubtedly, should intensify the efforts of all the inhabitants of the country for their successful holding and the victory of the Russian teams. At the same time, the possible holding of World Cup matches in Grozny, at the recently built 30-thousandth stadium, could become a strong image project for this republic.

Also of particular importance in the North Caucasian republics is the development of local sports. In this regard, the development of football in these republics, as one of the most popular sports, is indicative. The functioning of the Terek and Anji football clubs helps to reduce the degree of tension in the region. And the invitation to Anji of football players of the level of Roberto Carlos gives the region additional points in the international arena. In the course of further work on the improvement and improvement of economic and socio-cultural life in the North Caucasus, the return of the Russian population here can be spoken of as a completely feasible process.

Sources used:
www.perspektivy.info/eng/gos/vernutsa_li_russkije_na_severnyj_kavkaz_2008-03-31.htm
www.zavtra.ru/cgi/veil/data/zavtra/11/920/51.html
www.gazeta.ru/news/lenta/2011/06/25/n_1898509.shtml
www.kasparov.ru/material.php?id=4CAABE9D601F0
www.regnum.ru/news/1413183.html

Comments

[Leo848]

It reminds me of some kind, like unemployment, but for Russians there is work, but there are locals ... At the very beginning of the conflict in Chechnya, even before the hostilities, one of my senior colleagues, a Chechen by nationality, proposed as a way to resolve the conflict, withdraw all the Russian-speaking population from the rebel territory, all infrastructure, in six months will become completely worthless, no light, no water, no sewage. Now, receiving huge subsidies from the state, they want to get more craftsmen, but I have one question - social status immigrant, because natural slavery flourished in this territory until recently. Who will give a guarantee ... the power of local regions is funny!

[APASUS]

I don’t want to say where, but after the departure of the Russian-speaking population, the agricultural equipment factory stopped and safely disappeared. The local staff not only could not keep the heating, they hardly supply cold water.

[Predskazamus]

Negative guys over the edge. And I want to list your cities and villages that are emptying youth from sailing to megacities due to unemployment, villages are dying out. Dozens of villages along the road are abandoned. And what are the Caucasians to blame too?. This process was observed in all fraternal countries of the USSR. If talking about professionals, it’s not a secret that the job of an engineer in the Soviet era under the aspirants of the Russian Ukrainians, Armenians and Chechens was the first to be considered Russian then as a Slav, then Armenian as a Hrestian and, last but not least, a Chechen or another Muslim or Turk. and this is a fact. Soviet policy in the economy was tough and much more far-sighted. For example, the Ore Mill in Dashkesyan, Azerbaijan called the second Urals, was provided by the Rustavi Metallurgical Plant in Georgia. Baku oil, which until the 70s accounted for 95% of the USSR, completely flowed out of the country in the form of raw materials. Before Heydar Aliyev came to power, Baku was the only developed and paid attention to. The entire regions of the country were in a deplorable state. With the advent of Aliyev, using Friendship with Andropov, he made tremendous efforts to build factories, factories, which now serve as the foundation for an independent state.

[Order]

In Chechnya, namely in "Grozneft", at one time a lot of Russian, highly professional, intelligent specialists worked. All of them were forced to flee from there, saving themselves and their families, with some people personally, we are working together now. They tell such terrible things that the hair stands on end. And all, without exception, to the question; would you like to return and take part in the restoration of the oil and gas complex of Chechnya, I am sure they will send you far and for a long time ...

[Eric]

And they will justifiably do it.

[atheist]

and not only did they leave the Caucasus, and they also do not want to return from the post-Soviet republics, for the same reasons,
and they need our Russian-speaking specialists, since all the equipment is written in Russian

[Predskazamus]

You are behind the reality, dear !! What Russian equipment? At least in Russia there is. All your plants operate on foreign units. Do you need facts?

[Eric]

"The peculiarities of the Russian attitude towards other nationalities and the peculiarities of the Russian character can and should play a positive role in the fate of all the peoples of the Caucasus." I rob, robbery, and force with slavery or what?

[forsilon]

I think that those who left there will not come back, and those who have not been there will not go all the more. Will Caucasians Ever Become Independent Nations? I think, yes, if they are put on the brink of survival. Maybe then they will leave their main occupation - robbery, theft and trading. And to keep them on subsidies in 90% is to grow parasites. Some, the very best, say: "We have not worked and will not work. Russian fools will feed us." Of course, in any nation there are good people and there are bad people, those who want to work and those who are adapted to parasitism. The question is - where are more. And where which more clearly shows life and who can not live without. One thing is quite obvious, if the Caucasus is left without the presence of Russia, the most bloody wars will instantly break out there with the involvement of neighboring states. It is unclear - where do the Caucasian peoples have so many ambitions?

[DAGESTAN333]

The article is correct. But trust will have to be forged for a long time.

[alex352006]

I'm afraid there will be no trust ..............

[DAGESTAN333]

Pessimist?

[Predskazamus]

who to whom? you look only from the point of view of the Russians.

[Predskazamus]

I'm not a Russophobe. But I want to ask a Russian if he will love an American who has been shedding blood on his land for 300 years, who sent half of his people from their native lands "(Chechnya) into exile in order to populate Russians and others. (Crimean Tatars because of kinship of ethnicity and faith with Turkey) (Azerbaijan, the entire border zone Nowadays Armenia was exclusively Azerbaijan and in 48-53 hundreds of thousands were expelled only under the slogan with the Turks. do not think that they are better than us, smarter than us, privileged us.

[stas]

Let all the leaders of our country and members of the United Russia party go there to live and work, so it will be better for Russia itself!

[imjrek]

You just need to CLEARLY SEPARATE the Fatherland and the State. States change (only in the 20th century, three times from the Monarchical Empire -> Democratic Republic, from DM-> Communist State, from KG-> DM again.) And FATHERLAND is always one Russia or Holy Rus. That is, there is no need to confuse today's Russian democratic-liberal state with Russia as our FATHERLAND.
Fatherland (this is geography, this is history, this is ethnography, this is culture, this is religion, this is spirituality, this is science, and so on) and the people living in it are this body, and the state is clothes, clothes are changing, the body remains .

[Marat]

Very true!
It should be borne in mind, of course, that sometimes the destruction of the "clothing" puts the "body" on the brink of disaster - like the collapse of a union. Many "former democrats" repent - they say "they aimed at the Soviet regime - but ended up in Russia" (I refer to Sergey Kara-Murza)

[Kolstow]

No need to go there. They will never work. Babkmi is being absorbed from the budget, and all their lives they have been only doing that, robbing, banditry and bumming. Now they have come to their senses - they need Russians. Well yes! And who should work? Dzhigitu, the hero of the war, it seems like no-brainer ... In vain. He has a business in Russia, and he milks people there and receives from the budget at home. Do not Russian go there. And the abreks do not have to go to us. The war is over, money is now given plenty. Live in your village! Work, equip your life yourself. Please - all possibilities.

[One of many]

and in my city there is a nickel plant, a heavy plant. mechanical engineering, oil refinery. I’m not going to list a couple of defense enterprises and many other things that are very good for health ...
but such a stadium is not there. as well as the best kindergarten in Russia.

[Eric]

Hmm ... An unfortunate fact, you reported ...

[Kostya]

Stas is right: successful thief managers in villages!

[LUTA1910]

Just today I read the story of the trench officer about the first Chechen one. It's only the beginning!!!

[vitaliy]

I lived for 13 years in Makhachkala. and I can say one thing that they do not know how to work except how to trade, tax, etc. Everywhere in all factories of production facilities, Russians worked, they themselves said that we would bend without you. A simple example of the Ministry of Emergency Situations puts their Avar as a minister who, by training an agronomist, as he received the general, history is silent))). 1 deputy is also some kind of relative
General. The beginning of the operations department put Russian. Which steered the whole ministry, and went to Moscow for reports and stuff like that

[Marat]

Russians could go back to the Caucasus only under conditions of strong power - as in the USSR. Now it is risky for potential migrants. As an option for the return of the Russian people to the region, the Cossacks can be considered - but they urgently need to be raised and developed - especially the morale of the younger generation. They need to consider themselves special - they put themselves above the usual Russian "peasants" - as it was under the tsar.

[SAVA]

"WE NEED SLAVES AND PROSTITUTES"

[Professor]

There are two ways to return Russians to the Caucasus: forcibly as under Catherine or voluntarily.
Forced is not possible - at the wrong time.
In order to return voluntarily, the local population must first rise at least one step of civilization.

[DAGESTAN333]

.... and to be more convincing Professors.

[datur]

Professor, - or degrade to the end to the level of monkeys.

[mitrich]

These professors are Jews and merchants, with Belkovsky’s beard and Alla Gerber’s horns!
By the way, you noticed that his commentary is an example of subtle Jewish chauvinism, which is that Caucasians need to "climb one more step of civilization." Don't fall for provocations, lads!
The Caucasus is an INTEGRAL part of our country, and not only the Doku Umarovs, but also the Shamili Murtuzalievs live on this territory (unfortunately, this already holy man died on July 14.07.).
I am sure that if need arises, we will all unite and destroy any reptile.

[Professor]

Ostap suffered ...
Young man, have you already learned to do genetic analysis from a distance? Determine who is Jewish and who is not? First, tell tales about non-existent UN resolutions and press conferences of the General Staffs. And now you see chauvinism and a conspiracy of world Jewry ...
For you, young man, I’ll clarify:
Chauvinism (fr. Chauvinisme) - aggressive ideology and politics, the preaching of national superiority.
Well, what is the national superiority in my post? Which nation? Over which one?
Teach materiel!

[mitrich]

The boy is 38 years old. I am sure that the Russian "youth" will find more support on this site than the Jewish "professor". I just ask you not to be called "colonel" or "general -...", I still won't believe it.
Read, by the way, the last IEE, since we were talking about the 2nd Lebanon war.

[Professor]

Well, if you really 38 then behave as befits an adult man, and an exploded teenager. Learn to lead a discussion without insults and argue your point of view. If you have something to say on the merits of the articles discussed, then you are welcome, otherwise stop trolling.
By the way, how do you prove that you are Russian, not a chock. A loud cry of "Jews"? I will not believe. Usually a hat is on a thief. It seems to me that you are not who you claim to be ...

TRUE PATRIOTISM, LIKE AND TRUE LOVE, NEVER SCREAMS ABOUT MYSELF - Erast Petrovich Fandorin. I think you can’t say better.

The second Lebanese war is not discussed on this thread, and the last article in the NVO, unfortunately, does not point to "the UNO resolutions, the Generalshatab's pre-conference where they admit their defeat or the statistics of breaking through the hogs of the tank" about which you so confidently interpreted.

Teach materiel!

[DAGESTAN333]

(never before Professor was not so close to failure), keep one line dear, otherwise it does not converge:

most of the population of Russia does not even neglect their neighbors

и

prove that you are Russian, not chock

[Predskazamus]

"By the way, how can you prove that you are Russian, and not a chock"
A person reproaching for wrong behavior should not be likened to mentally limited youth with a shaved head and a swastika full of swastikas pointing a finger at Ossetian with an arrogant look with the words you are a lump and I am a true Aryan))))))))))))))

[Predskazamus]

at one of the meetings of the Military Chiefs of Tsarist Russia and the Caucasian Highlander asked the prince.
- "Why did you come to my lands with the war"
to which the Russian voivode answered him
- "I brought culture and civilization to your wild country"
to which the highlander asked him to choose one of his dzhigits and introduce his most exemplary soldier. the highlander asked the highlander to take off his shoes, he obeyed to take off his shoes, the foot from bathing shone with purity five times, then he asked the Russian soldier to take off his shoes and removed bare your dirty fetid leg. Pointing to this, the highlander asked
- "Did you bring this culture and civilization to us?"

[DAGESTAN333]

Thanks to different "absolutely adequate" guys like: Islamist radicals, Professor, SAVA - general negative attitude and wars in the Caucasus will never end. (with which "congratulations")

Professordo you think civilization is a stupid neglect of the near?

[Professor]

Professor, do you think civilization is a stupid disregard for the near?

Speaking of "civilization", I primarily mean not compliance with the laws of the Russian Federation (blood feud, for example) and the system of government based on teips, read the tribes.
Western civilization to which the majority of Russia's population belongs does not even neglect neighbors.

[DAGESTAN333]

... if the way the "west" put its goals into life is "civilization", then for me it is better - "teip" system, because there is no particular difference in the methods, except for pathos ...

[Professor]

A couple of years have passed since the Inquisition. Look at what the West has today in terms of freedom and the rights of the individual and the state system. And it is not at all surprising that millions of people from different tribes seek the West to reap the benefits of this civilization, and not vice versa. This is an article about how to return Russians to the Caucasus.

[DAGESTAN333]

Professor, I hope you were joking about the "freedom" and "individual rights" of Europeans, or ask Milosevic, Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi about this?

... millions of natives? - this is because there are more looted over the centuries (you can delve into this issue).

On the account, it is Russian culture - I agree, but please ... do not give an example of Western Europeans, they are some suspicious ...

... and, please answer all the comments, since you are such a pedant.

[Professor]

I didn’t joke at all, for example, women are not selling their parents to their grooms, and when they quarrel with a neighbor, they go to court, and do not grab onto the dagger.
The judicial system there is not dependent on the executive, and in the elections the future result is not always clear. No official will rob anyone of a business because he liked it.
Milosevic was tried, not soaked in the toilet. The other cannibals you mentioned were to be hanged in the square for crimes committed against humanity. I hope you will not argue about the sea of ​​blood shed by them?
more robbed over the centuries (you can delve into this issue)- easy. Not all countries of Western Europe had colonies that robbed. An example of western civilization in the east is Singapore. Whom did he rob? How did the Melesians ... Germany, Denmark and further on the list achieved everything themselves.
Science, art - as components of civilization, are for the good of everyone. What can "teip" systems oppose them? The computer you are sitting at, your car, planes and medicines were created by Western civilization.

[DAGESTAN333]

Of course, "Intel" and "Microsoft" are great, I respect, and thank you very much.

BUT........ speaking of laws and regulations, Professor, it seemed to me, this is - a system of common values, which should be adhered to by all, without exception, which protects the interests of the vast majority. The reality is completely different - a handful of states, which in aggregate will not gain even 20% of the total world population, considers it permissible for themselves to equip the internal devices of other states (which differ by ONE - the absence of armed power) at their discretion, so to speak, declared themselves creators of being.

They tried Milosevic ... ... pretty modest guys ... don't you think Professor? -Only the question is - what does the people (majority) of Milosevic think about this? .. ...? ... and in general, for what did they fight?

At the expense of Saddam - thank you for being just a cannibal , but could be a character from the movie "Alien" by Ridley Scott, from you it is quite expected.

And the most important thing that confuses me is when different gentlemen (representing Western civilization) begin to remind me of the "sea" of blood shed by my dagger when they are responsible for the rest of the "world ocean" of blood.

[Professor]

Be so kind as "... and I ask you to respond to all comments, since you are such a pedant" and you respond to all comments once you ask for it. And about Singapore and so on.
"A handful of states" as you put it is not even a handful with 20% of the population, but much more: Europe, North America, China and part of Southeast Asia. In contrast to them, you can put the Middle East, Africa and all sorts of margins in different parts of the world. Moreover, states that are not part of the "handful of states" have assumed the rules of the game by entering the UN and other organizations. When the Taliban stones women in the square, makes the supply of drugs to Russia a state policy and finally attacks America, thereby he puts himself in a position where he "considers it permissible for himself to equip the internal structures of other states."
There are many countries "which are distinguished by ONE - the absence of armed power" and none of the "bunch of states" bothers them, but there are "drunks and rowdy in the village" which need to be brought to order.
Milosevic was extradited by the lawfully elected authorities of his own country and tried by a generally recognized court.
Saddam and the lateral cannibal Ihi Ammin are one and the same.

Please specify about the world ocean of blood on my conscience !!!

[DAGESTAN333]

... on the conscience of those same 20% ov ...

And you still preferred not to pay attention to the comment above, even after I wrote to you in a personal message.

Ready to answer all comments too. References to articles remember if it is possible.

[Professor]

1. Please specify what specific comment you have in mind.
2. I didn’t get anything in PM.
3. Which article links do you mean?

“20%” have not “eaten people” for 200 years as the other 80% do. It is about this step of civilization that I am talking about.

[DAGESTAN333]

...Well...... Professor.............

1 I mean my comment yesterday, here at 10: 35

2 it is strange that the letter was not received, check in your personal account.

3 i.e. if I didn’t answer the comment, remind me exactly where.

"20%" - have become backstage "cannibals", I agree.

[Professor]

1. "the majority of the population of Russia does not even neglect the neighbors at all" -the statement is not mine, but I subscribe to it. Especially the farther from Moscow the warmer the people.
"prove that you are Russian, not a lump" - I hope you are not serious about this.
2.Got it- not looking there
3. "An example of Western civilization in the east is Singapore. Whom did he rob? How do the Melesians get there ..."
20% try to live and not touch anyone just like that, and "80%" constantly climb up to them, "throw garbage in the garden" and do dirty tricks on every single thing.

[DAGESTAN333]

3_ I agree, Singapore is a great example of hard work. But, what am I talking about ... - you have to understand, - they allowed so to develop, if it hindered our "20%" am, it is unlikely that they (Singapore) have gone far.
Look at the Muslim world, you are right, they are stuck in the Middle Ages. Do you know why? .. -no, not because they are stupid, they lost (as well as why - a separate topic) the war of civilizations, after which, once frightened by the Caliphate, Rome, subsequently by ANY means, did not allow Muslims to rise above the Middle Ages - well then. ., such is the will of God.

1_ with a person offering mitrichto prove that he is not a "chock" I have nothing to talk about, since, I clearly fall into this category in your opinion.

[Professor]

"churka" is a behavioral definition, not a racially national one.
"Look at the Muslim world, you are right, they are stuck in the Middle Ages. Do you know why? .." - I know, and Rome has nothing to do with it. There is in Youtube (I will find it) a wonderful speech, in my opinion, of a Saudi preacher about how he was in Germany and was interested in why there are no people on the streets during the day. He was told: "So everyone at work." That, in his opinion, is the reason for the backwardness of the Muslim world, and I share it.

Here is another example: http://www.viatalaserviciu.ro/view_video.php?viewkey=c886e9247542e06ebb70
where is Rome?

[DAGESTAN333]

Harsh teacher, I agree. All this is reality, and I am telling you about the consequence. With the phrase - "Rome has nothing to do with" you (your point of view) just made me laugh, as if Europe lived there ... did not bother anyone ...
I have my own sources of information (which I don’t want to make you laugh too), but you have mine. I think this argument is useless, our beliefs are unshakable. In the end, I do not blame the activities of Europeans, well done, I reached the level I could - the Inquisition, the genocide of the colonized peoples, etc. - let be. But in my opinion - it’s ugly to boast that on your street at the moment there is a holiday, because holidays are on all streets, in turn (figuratively speaking).

If possible - the question is - are you a Russian?

[Professor]

Our discussion really exhausted itself after your phrase: "Look at the Muslim world, you are right, they are stuck in the Middle Ages." As they say: I rest my case.
The sunset of Rome took place long before the formation of Islam, in about 300 years.

[DAGESTAN333]

Saying "Rome", I thought you would understand what I mean - the Vatican - the Roman Catholic Church (sorry for the inaccuracy).

... and don't forget about "street parties", they come and go ...


(since they did not answer the question, I think you do not have Russian citizenship)

[Predskazamus]

ubiquitous rudeness of the western part, a disregard for everyone like my hut from the edge.

[SAVA]

WHO TAKES ABOUT RUSSIAN GUYS ??? WHO FORCES RUSSIAN GUYS IN THE ARMY ??? SAME SHOULD SO LOWER IN LIFE TO FUCK A MUSIC EVEN IF HE CAN'T REPRESENT !!!! ???? THIS ADEQUATE GUYS DO THIS !!! !!!? YOU AT ALL WHO ARE SUCH ???? BY THE EXISTENCE WHO FORCES A GUY HE IS A PEDIC !!!! ONLY ON ANOTHER PARTY WHAT THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ADEQUATE NATION SAYS !!!! ???? NEWSPAPERS are full of articles about the lawlessness which you plant around yourself as animals with worms !!!!!!))))))))))

[DAGESTAN333]

SAVA, I just did not say anything about the adequacy of the nation. It feels like you're injecting adrenaline, and only then do you begin to write comments.
The bastards you mentioned, if they really are, I hate more than yours.
Question: what do you think, to our people who do not fit under any item from which you have listed?


(try to answer without malice)

[SAVA]

"IF THEY REALLY ARE" !!!!!!! YOU INET, NEWSPAPERS, PEOPLE DO NOT TELL ANYTHING AND DO NOT SHOW !!! ??? "REPRESENTATIVES OF YOUR NATION AND LET THEY THESE DEGENERATES KILL EACH OTHER, AND DO NOT SAY ABOUT THIS IS MY LAND, ANYWHERE I WON'T GO" WONDER YOU WERE. AND WITHOUT ANGER, NORMAL PEOPLE CANNOT BE ABLE TO YOU, YOUR FAIRY TALES "IN EVERY NATION THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD PEOPLE" IT IS "CHES" IN YOUR COMMENTS A NORMAL PERSON IS TRACKED, NOT LIKE YOUR NATION IN ANY CASE THOSE WHO'S NOW "BURNING" DO NOT EVEN BELIEVE

[svvaulsh]

Well, you are bent! Did you understand that? The law of nature is simple - the strongest survive. If you have a sense of dignity and courage, you will never substitute your ass, in order not to get in the face. Even if you are weaker, resist, clutch your teeth in the enemy’s throat, only then they will respect and fear you. And if you do not watch from the side how your Russian colleague is being beaten, and you stand with him back to back and give a rebuff, only then you will turn from a victim into a hunter.
Our misfortunes are in ourselves.

[SAVA]

WHAT ARE YOU SMALLER? YOU ARE 17 YEARS OLD OR 20? UNDER THIS LAW CHECHNYA SHOULD BE WASTE FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH AND IT IS NOT IMPORTANT, FOR EXAMPLE, THINK WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE CAUCASUS IF STALIN WOULD EXPLAIN FOR YOU WHAT IT IS ASSOCIATED WITH STEEL! I HAVE SERVED MYSELF AND SEEN HOW THE RUSSIANS Mocked at the RUSSIANS. I PROTECT THE RUSSIANS BECAUSE THEY ARE WEAK NOW, BUT THIS IS ONE OUR HOPE FOR A NORMAL LIFE, WHOM THE RUSSIANS OUGHTED !!! ???????? INDIANS !!! ???? COLONIES HELD !! ??? THEY SAVED THE FLOOR OF THE WORLD !!!! IN LIFE I HAVE ONE FAMILIAR RUSSIAN BY THE WAY, THE CREATURE FROM CREATES DOESN'T KEEP A WORD, VANE, "KNOCKS" AND ALL OF THIS WITHOUT ANY REASON, THIS IS SUCH RUSSIANS IN SIGNATURES))))

[SAVA]

Dashing all became Muslims)))) BRAIN WAS nothing to do, and that's to reveal the frailty)) IS RUSSIA Belarus and Ukraine separates !!! YOU TURKS teach freedom to love, they are traitors do not like RUSSIAN were left alone with all the enemies of the former USSR And you hit them in the back, you RUSSIAN ??????

[DAGESTAN333]

... whoever hits is not, not Russians.

[Pinocchio]

According to the author of the article, precisely the problem of employment increases ..... the outflow of Russians from the Caucasus. It is necessary to improve .... this and that and ...... a bit of industry .... such as a plant, .. (. Local clans then take it too) ......... .international tourism ....... etc ....... Nothing more .... Russians are once again offered to become official slaves and prostitutes, only in a more civilized way (to preserve the integrity of Russia). The state again has us ... rather it asks ..... to help the soldiers for justice ......., but then we will definitely make friends ..... we must tolerate .... For some reason we start talking, ...... about some kind of protection, some kind of legal guarantees .... in our brains we have one COMPOST .... A LIFE in a can .. A short memory ..... After the terrible Russian genocide in the Caucasus and Central Asia no preferences. The Caucasus is not the FATHERLAND ..... but another CHUPA - CHUPS .............

[DAGESTAN333]

Pinocchio, your fate is to tremble at the slightest occasion, go on ...

[Pinocchio]

Daghezantsu..Less about my fate ..... the bravest of the bravest .....

[DAGESTAN333]

Pinocchio, dishonestly, just to hate everyone in the Caucasus.

[Pinocchio]

Dagestan Hating everyone in a row is a heavy burden not only for a person, but also for a people. You will dry up from hatred ... There is only one question: ... not "how to live together," but "how to live on, to be together "?

[DAGESTAN333]

Need to understand Pinocchio, there is a layer of the population (the majority) who are not interested in conflicts, want to live on funds earned by honest labor, respect a foreign culture ...

[Pinocchio]

Dagestanets333 The stratum of the population (the imaginary majority) cannot be a people. Either this is a layer, or a people ... A person, like a people, is responsible, only the scales are different ... Layers only exist. If we share historical responsibility, then we have every chance of updating, but there is no trial. Unfortunately in your answers some templates begin to flicker. And this: earned by honest labor, or respect for a foreign culture, etc. It is unfortunate that Russian culture, after several centuries of life and being, is still a stranger to you. Mutual enrichment of cultures did not happen and does not happen ....

[DAGESTAN333]

(I suggest using "you", otherwise it is already inconvenient)

There is responsibility, and it manifests itself in the fact that, for example, my relatives and friends are blown up with no less success than yours in the metro ... ... or is historical responsibility manifested in something else?

I do not see any patterns, a simple expression of my thoughts ...

Russian culture is foreign in the sense that - initially it was not mine, and not disgusting to my culture, and better than some I understand what it brought to me.

The only question is - will we stupidly hate each other, or will we start looking for common values, otherwise I get the impression that I get budget money from you, and you purely because of inborn altruism do not get anything in return.

[mitrich]

Mr. PROFESSOR!
Let's leave each other alone.
If you hurt my words - sorry. I will only recall that it was not I who was the first to switch to the language of insults.
Good luck!

[Professor]

Agreed. No arrivals, personalities.

[mitrich]

And collected - Eastern !

[Professor]

And it is Western by definition. If you look at the city of Shanghai or Suju, then if you remove the signs in Chinese, you will not be able to determine you are in Western Europe or China. In Shanghai, with a population of 20 million, traditionally Chinese, there is only the "Old City" 500 by 500 meters. The Chinese dress like Europeans and, unfortunately, start eating like Europeans too, or even worse, like the Americans in Kettaki Fried Chikken. Especially there the French turned around with their Karefor and Auschins, however Starbucks and Walmart are there at every step.
Taiwan is generally a "Western" country.

[imjrek]

Actually, the topic of the Caucasus is the distraction of Russian people from their own internal problems. I think Russian people need an internal cleansing from the filth of consumption, drunkenness, do not care, etc. in a word, the restoration of the Russian spirit in their own souls, and as a result of this purification, the Russian state power will also be restored.
otherwise how can the Russian state be restored if the foundation is rotten?