"Reserved" Chernobyl. Continuing the theme

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"Reserved" Chernobyl. Continuing the theme


Ukrainian officials set out to transform Chernobyl beyond recognition. Very soon, the exclusion zone will be given the status of the reserve. But not simple, but "biospheric radiological". It is known that such a brilliant idea was thrown to Ukrainians from the very ( good ) The European Union, and announced it the day before by the Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources Andrei Mokhnik.

Minister Mokhnik

The lad in the embroidered shirt in the photo - Mokhnik, the Minister of Ecology without environmental education. At the same time, he once handed Yushchenko a mail with demands to give Bandera the title of Hero, recognize the OUN-UPA as a liberation movement and organized a 1 January 2014 torchlight procession of Bandera.

We must assume that the ardent advocate of Ukrainian nationalism (in the ranks of the National Party "Svoboda" Mokhnik consists of 1990 year), he with no less zeal will take for the realization of the ideas of the European Union. In addition, the current head of the Ministry of Environment himself from Chernobyl - a native of the city of Pripyat, which is in 2-3 km from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. In native places, as they say, it is easier to breathe and think better. So who, if not Mokhnik, is to entrust such an important task? ..

"ReporterUA" writes:

"According to the Minister of Ecology Andrei Mokhnik, the territory of the future reserve itself is planned to be doubled. This increase is due to the EU requirements to double the territory of protected areas in Ukraine. However, to complete the project, you may need another 500 million euros over the previously approved estimates. At this point protected areas make up 6% of the total area of ​​the country, in the future they will increase to 15%. According to Mokhnik, this will be the Dnieper-Teterevsky and Chernobyl Biosphere Reserves. "


What is meant by a cunning-misty plexus of words "biosphere radiological“- I think many people think vaguely. The first part seems to be clear, the biosphere reserve is a concept of sustainable development of the environment, a kind of standard of nature. But the word“ radiological ”pushes many questions. And one of them:“ For What does the EU need an infected "reserve" of Ukraine?

From Wikipedia:

"Radiology - the section of medicine that studies the use of ionizing radiation for the diagnosis (radio diagnostics) and treatment (radiotherapy) of various diseases, as well as diseases and pathological conditions that occur when exposed to ionizing radiation on the human body ".


This is what happens? Will the current exclusion zone in the near future demonstrate a balanced interaction between nature and man? And this is despite the fact that the background in Chernobyl will decrease by half only through 24 for thousands of years? ..

Yes, and visiting the 30-kilometer exclusion zone around the Chernobyl nuclear power plant is prohibited by law: in November 2011, the Kiev administrative court declared "unlawful the order of the Emergencies Ministry of Ukraine on the procedure for visiting the Chernobyl nuclear power plant exclusion zone." However, Ukraine today lives by completely different laws, and therefore it is possible to forget about the decision of the Kiev court with a clear conscience ...

What impact the nature of the infected zone can have on people, we, of course, approximately know (although much is still unknown). However, if the reserve is still there, then where will people be taken? Will they be delivered? Or will the autocracy fit on the EU experience?

Returning to the city after the accident


Information on the number of people living in the Chernobyl nuclear power plant zone varies considerably. Ukrainian government agencies do not keep track of autocrats, while in the media, numbers from 200 to 2 are called thousands of people.



However, you should not forget about tourists who regularly visit the Chernobyl zone in search of thrills and adrenaline doses mixed with radiation. They, by the way, are also quite good “material” for studying.



Open a door of the exclusion zone just for tourists (what a coincidence!) A couple of days ago was advised by a rather well-known Russophobe in Ukraine Eduard Bagirov, a human rights activist and chairman of the board of the International League for the Protection of the Rights of Ukrainian Citizens, who was previously convicted of extortion . In his twitter, he wrote:
"I propose that the Ukrainian government, for the amendment of the budget, open Chernobyl for tourists".
Such a shrewdness of the Ukrainian human rights activist cannot surprise - “tweet in hand”, not otherwise.

As Minister Mokhnik mentioned, the reserve’s territory will be doubled according to the requirements of the European Union - from 6 to 15% of the total area of ​​the country. A rather strange requirement, isn't it? Considering that, for example, in Germany The total area of ​​all parks is 962 048 ha (with the exception of the marine zones of the North and Baltic Seas), or in other words, 0,54% of land area. National parks in France occupy 2% of the territory of this country, And in Italy - about 5% of total area...

And now I want to remind: in 2003, the American company "Noltec International " won a tender for the construction of a Ukrainian storage facility for nuclear waste. However, in 2011, its activities were covered, the storage facility was not completed. In 2007, the French consortium "Novarka"became the winner of the competition for the design and construction of a new sarcophagus, but because of a lack of finance, the" shelter "was not completed. In 2014, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine signed an agreement with an American company"Westinghouse"on the nuclear waste repository, there are rumored to be dumping nuclear debris from other countries. And here in this area will be arranged biosphere reserve? ..

Both Westinghouse and Holtec are members of the US-Ukraine Business Council (US-Ukraine Business Council, USUBC). M. Williams, president of USUBC, lobbied interests in Ukraine Shell (which is also commissioned to develop shale gas in eastern Ukraine), Chevron (extracts slate in western Ukraine) and ExxonMobil. And Williams insisted on the need for Kiev to sign a new pact with the IMF and an Association Agreement with the EU. Williams is also associated with the organization "Freedom House", responsible for conducting "color revolutions". And for "Freedom House" are Washington, the CIA, R. Kogan, V. Nuland, J. Kerry ...

Well, something more burning.

In 1999 year in America came out Eileen Welsom’s The Plutonium Files. It describes for the first time the radiation experiments on people carried out in the framework of the Manhattan Project, and later, during the Cold War, by the US Atomic Energy Commission. Over whom conducted experimentssaid that radioactive injections, which they are doing, is a new special therapy with the so-called “uranium drugs”. Sometimes they didn't explain anything at all.

Here are some medical stories and conclusions from the book:

3th of November 1944. USA, Rochester, University. On this day, radioactive injections to humans were first made during medical experiments as part of the Manhattan Project. Traces of radioactive polonium-210 were introduced to a group of volunteers - four men and one woman aged from 30 to 40 years treated for various cancers at the University Hospital of Rochester. Six days after the injection, one patient died. The study was conducted in order to study the biological properties of this element (Moss, Eckhardt 1995).

26 March 1945 year. USA, New Mexico, Los Alamos National Laboratory. In Los Alamos, three groups of scientists working at the medical section of the Manhattan Project met to agree on a plan for the practical implementation of a comprehensive program of radiation experiments on humans, approved as early as August 1944. At this meeting, tasks were set to study the behavior of plutonium in the human body. Dozens of nuclear plants and laboratories in which personnel worked with nuclear materials were already operating in the United States. The leadership of the American atomic project considered that it could no longer afford to use guesses as a basis for protecting skilled workers who were exposed to plutonium in the course of their work. Two weeks later, human experiments began at the Army Hospital in Oakridge, at the Chicago Metallurgical Laboratory and at the University of San Francisco Hospital (Moss, Eckhardt, 1995).

10 April 1945 of the year. USA, Oakridge. An 53 injection of a plutonium microgram was made at an 4,7 hospital for patients after a car accident, in order to study its movement in the human body. Four days after that, the patient was operated on. During the operation, bone samples were taken for examination and several teeth were removed. The man lived after the experiment for eight years and died in 1953 from heart failure (Moss, Eckhardt, 1995).

14 May 1945 years. USA, the city of San Francisco. A mixture of plutonium-58 and plutonium-239 was introduced at the university's 238 summer hospital. The patient was diagnosed with gastric cancer. It was assumed that he will live no more than six months. However, a microscopic examination of the tumor showed that he was diagnosed incorrectly. The man lived 21 for a year and died at the age of 79 for years in 1966. Over the years, of all the patients who received radioactive injections, he received the highest cumulative dose of internal exposure. Its total effective equivalent dose was 6400 rem. The annual dose was approximately 309 rem, which is 858 times the exposure level of the average US citizen (Moss, Eckhardt, 1995).

December 27 1945 year. USA, the city of Chicago. Two incurable patients in a Chicago-based hospital as part of the “Manhattan Project” introduced 95 micrograms of plutonium-239 during medical experiments. This is the ultimate plutonium injection. The 56-year-old woman died after 170 days, the young man through 17. As in this, and in other radiation experiments on humans, the amount of plutonium injected from 5 to 100 was over the safe standards for personnel (Moss, Eckhardt 1995; Kelly, Ricciuti, 2001).

1955 of the year. USA, the city of Chicago. At university, Dr. Willard Libby began a Sunshine project. The aim of the project was to study in various regions of the world the presence in the human body of nuclear fission products that fell after atmospheric nuclear tests. For this took about 6 Thousands of stillborn and dead bodies in the first months after the birth of babies. Human organs and bones were burned and examined for the presence of radioactive elements. The bodies and organs of infants were sent to the USA from Australia, Canada, Great Britain, Hong Kong, South America and the Philippines and were used in these studies without the permission of the parents. The same kind of experiments were carried out in the UK on stillborn babies brought from Hong Kong. According to the British and American press, such experiments continued until the middle of the 70s (Human Radiation Experiments 1995; Goncalves, 2001).

1963-1971 years. USA, Washington and Oregon. Volunteer Prisoners In Washington State and Oregon 130 Prisons received genital irradiation at the 400-600 P level during experiments in the interests of NASA. The space agency was interested in how radiation, including that emitted during flares on the sun, can affect the well-being of astronauts. The prisoners signed an agreement and received 200 dollars, but were not warned about the possibility of developing testicular cancer (Human Radiation Experiments, 1995).

1993 of the year. USA, Washington. Information on radiation experiments on humans in the USA has become public. From 1940-s to 1970-x more than 23 thousand people have been subjected to it. During one of these experiments, more than a hundred schoolchildren from Massachusetts fed oatmeal containing radioactive elements. Testing was also carried out on prisoners in order to determine the dose causing infertility and experiments on pregnant women. In the 1993 year, after learning of a series of highly hazardous studies that included the introduction of plutonium to people who were unaware of this, US Secretary of Energy O'Leary said: "I can only compare this with Nazi Germany" (Makhijani, Kennedy, 1994).




PS Andrei Mokhnik, Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine:

"We pushed the boundaries of Ukrainian nationalism far to the East ... Our Bandera army is growing daily. Therefore, our enemies are trembling! ... Bandera - the symbol that leads the Ukrainians to fight".
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  1. +7
    16 July 2014 08: 53
    For Chernobyl "Junta" will separately answer ...
    1. +37
      16 July 2014 09: 02
      Russia regained its center of radio interception in Cuban Lourdes
      1. +6
        16 July 2014 09: 06
        This is great news, worthy of a separate design.
        1. +1
          16 July 2014 09: 44
          "Reserved" Chernobyl.

          Chernobyl was blown up to ruin the USSR and tear Ukraine from Russia, research 03.06.13 12:55
          Kiev, June 03 (New Region, Sergey Dmitriev) - The tragedy at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant was deliberately provoked to the collapse of the USSR and the separation of Ukraine from Russia.
          These are the results of an independent physico-technical investigation conducted by nuclear physicist Nikolai Kravchuk (he graduated from the department of the theory of the atomic nucleus of the physics department of the Moscow State University named after MV Lomonosov).
          The results of the study are presented in his work The Mystery of the Chernobyl Disaster, published in 2011 in Moscow, where she received a certain response. Even before the publication of the book, after the first leaks in the Ukrainian press, Kravchuk was immediately dismissed from work at the Institute of Theoretical Physics of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine.
          Conclusions Kravchuk supported in the review of the book supported by the professor, Doctor of Technical Sciences I.A. Kravets, and Dr. V.A. You are Shinsky. However, the results of the scientist’s work did not reach the wide Ukrainian public.
          1. +3
            16 July 2014 11: 07
            Quote: Z.O.V.
            "Reserved" Chernobyl.

            Chernobyl was blown up to ruin the USSR and tear Ukraine from Russia, research 03.06.13 12:55

            Well, of course. And even earlier, the first reactor was built at the Kurchatov Institute, everything in order to then blow it up in Chernobyl. That's when the "oath m **** li" conceived the collapse of the Union, in order to spread rot "Nenko Ukraine" later.
          2. kompotnenado
            +1
            16 July 2014 12: 18
            This is a duck. Chernobyl was blown up by monstrous negligence. Plus design errors.
          3. 0
            16 July 2014 15: 30
            All this nonsense, Chernobyl technogenic accident.
      2. +1
        16 July 2014 10: 30
        Will the present exclusion zone in the near future show a balanced interaction between nature and man? And this despite the fact that the background in Chernobyl will decrease by half only after 24 thousand years ?.

        This is not entirely true. Isotopes (roughly speaking) will decay in half in 24 thousand years. But these same isotopes over the past decades are washed away by sediments into the underlying soil horizons. Due to which radiation on the surface in many places is close to the natural background.
        But the idea of ​​a "reserve" is still crazy. Any radiochemist knows that radiation from synthetic isotopes is not the worst thing. The worst thing is that this radio synthetics is an extremely powerful poison. A poison that cannot be neutralized. Hence the whole spectrum of diseases of the local population, leading to death, including oncology.
        The Chernobyl zone should remain the zone. Tourists have nothing to do there.
    2. BYV
      +10
      16 July 2014 09: 02
      Yes, they are going to make a burial ground there. For radioactive waste. What is not a business?
      1. 0
        16 July 2014 09: 20
        burial ground, you say? ... oooh very creative! what kind of waste? Bandera radioactive? ... reactive? ... rrrrevolutionary? ... maidan? ...
        and enough space?
    3. +2
      16 July 2014 09: 19
      The Kiev government should be transferred to Chernobyl, together with advisers from America.
      1. +1
        16 July 2014 11: 49
        I agree. At the same time, the gene pool will improve ...
    4. 0
      16 July 2014 21: 10


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  2. +2
    16 July 2014 08: 54
    Feast in Time of Plague.
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    2. +1
      16 July 2014 09: 32



      I have not enough nerves already
  3. +19
    16 July 2014 09: 01
    Yes Yes. First a reserve, then secret international laboratories for the study of everything and everything. We definitely need to wait for the second explosion at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, since Strelok and Ghost-Brain are already available, there is a Fang. Zombies in Ukraine are half the country, Ocean controllers are sitting, bloodsucker is in Dnepropetrovsk, kinks on the Maidan, pseudo-giants are fighting with militias, and the rest will catch up in the process.
    1. +13
      16 July 2014 09: 16
      forgot about snork ... and a wild boar mutant nicknamed valtsman ... or is it pseudo-flesh? ...
      1. +9
        16 July 2014 09: 26
        Well, skills are the most patriotic citizens of Ukraine - they jump all the time. But Valtsman looks like a face face on a Chernobyl boar, just a moss of bristles is not enough.
        1. Jin
          +3
          16 July 2014 10: 18
          Quote: skylare
          Well, skills are the most patriotic citizens of Ukraine - they jump all the time.


          + Million colleague !!! Soully neighing! laughing good
        2. 0
          16 July 2014 15: 37
          Great phrase!
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      1. +2
        16 July 2014 09: 44
        Then this is a terrible mutant burer with the makings of a controller, the superboss will go to the third part. If she comes out.
  4. +6
    16 July 2014 09: 05
    For the first time I hear that an ordinary repository for nuclear waste was called a reserve.
  5. +2
    16 July 2014 09: 06
    Yeah .... this Mochnik is still that "fruit". The hangman misses him. As well as all the banderlog.
    1. 0
      16 July 2014 09: 32
      Quote: oleggun
      Yeah .... this Mochnik is still that "fruit". The hangman misses him. As well as all the banderlog.

      First of all, it’s all the same. Secondly, for especially Svidomo like him, the gallows-too soft punishment. Such should be put on the count.
      1. +2
        16 July 2014 12: 04
        oleggun
        Yeah .... this Mohnik is still that "fruit".

        Mokhnik Andrey Vladimirovich was born on June 15, 1972 in the town of Lipovets, Vinnytsia region !, and not in Pripyat. At the age of six, Andrei with his mother and sisters moved to Pripyat. At home they speak Ukrainian, but in the city everyone speaks exclusively Russian. And Andrew must urgently master it (and this is stress for the child) since there is not a single Ukrainian school here.
        When the Chernobyl explosion exploded, Andrei was 14 years old. His house is two and a half kilometers from the burning reactor, a fire is visible from the balcony.

        Well, of course ... a fragile boyish organism, the effect of radiation on it, mental disturbance as a result of a mutation ... Hence all the crazy ideas, including - was one of the initiators of Bandera's assignment of the title of Hero of Ukraine.
        1. 0
          16 July 2014 12: 11
          you are right, "unfortunate child" ... let's all pity him in chorus and cry over his sad fate ... "fragile boyish organism" ... "And Andrey must urgently master him (and this is stress for the child) since there is no one Ukrainian school "... No, by God, I'm going to pay crying
  6. Dbnfkmtdbx
    0
    16 July 2014 09: 11
    The whole government is self-proclaimed and excuse me inadequate, I don’t mean fagots and the so-called politicians, they then all send obscenities to some other crap sober the clowns
  7. +10
    16 July 2014 09: 13
    Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine:

    "We have pushed the borders of Ukrainian nationalism far to the East ... Our Bandera army is growing daily. That is why our enemies tremble! ... Bandera is the symbol that leads Ukrainians to fight."

    Trandec clinic !. I continue to be amazed how naive. M yeah. I'm losing weight and losing weight from Ukraine!
  8. pahom54
    +1
    16 July 2014 09: 14
    Judging by modern events on (in) the Ruin, if not all the people, then its leadership has definitely passed the mutation under the influence of Chernobyl ... Where to go further ...
    And since Geyropa demands to expand the boundaries of the Chernobyl zone, don’t go to the grandmother - they’ll definitely prepare places for the disposal of radioactive waste ...
  9. +3
    16 July 2014 09: 18
    Well, right under pressure from the green Germany will close the last nuclear power plant, it seems, in 2022, it’s necessary to drain all the rubbish somewhere
  10. +1
    16 July 2014 09: 20
    Insanity grows stronger.
  11. +16
    16 July 2014 09: 22
    Ukraine, in terms of the rate of rolling into the cesspool, breaks all records, such a rate and in a peaceful direction it would not have a price. And so, remember, we mourn.
  12. +2
    16 July 2014 09: 22
    The country leading to the grave
    Burnt alive people.
    ... Bandera is the symbol that leads Ukrainians to fight. "
  13. comrad74
    0
    16 July 2014 09: 30
    what a rich fantasy, that every day is a new example of cretinism.
  14. leglun
    0
    16 July 2014 09: 33
    This OUNovets there first to send, still radiation to manniggie manenko !!!
  15. +1
    16 July 2014 09: 40
    US Secretary of Energy O'Leary said: "I can only compare this with Nazi Germany"

    So do I. The United States is no longer experimenting with its fellow citizens, and no one will forbid them from Ukrainians. Except us.
  16. 0
    16 July 2014 09: 41
    "Our Bandera army is growing daily. That is why our enemies tremble! ... Bandera is the symbol that leads the Ukrainians to the fight."

    Yeah. Trembling with anger, to quickly destroy all of your Bandera evil.
  17. +3
    16 July 2014 09: 42
    The lad in the embroidered shirt in the photo - Mokhnik, the Minister of Ecology without environmental education. At the same time, he once handed Yushchenko a mail with demands to give Bandera the title of Hero, recognize the OUN-UPA as a liberation movement and organized a 1 January 2014 torchlight procession of Bandera.

    Well, that's it ... Now the Pripyat mutant catfish, before attacking the pigeons, will shout: "Glory to Ukraine!", And the pigeons that the catfish will drag into the river will desperately scream: "Glory to the heroes!"
    1. 0
      16 July 2014 09: 48
      remember more then my words ... oh, remember ... (regarding the Americans and the Chernobyl NPP) ... if you can remember, of course ... well, think, at least mano
  18. +1
    16 July 2014 09: 57
    That's right, banderlog is the place there !!!
    They are preparing a place for themselves! am
  19. KostA_RikA
    +1
    16 July 2014 10: 09
    everyone says that Bandera is from the west and they turn out to be where all this time
  20. DPZ
    0
    16 July 2014 10: 30
    Ukrainian officials set out to transform Chernobyl beyond recognition. Very soon, the exclusion zone will be given the status of a reserve.
    great idea! only a little bit of extra work is needed. namely: to sort out what was left dangerous there, so that not a single master felt-tip pen could start the reactor and protect the territory with Kolomoisky’s fence. a wonderful reserve will work. and populate all the Bandera law enforcement officers and other belligerent pi.d.rkov there. Let them not live. will die out themselves.
  21. KIRON
    +1
    16 July 2014 10: 30
    Freaks, damn it! Not by washing, so by skating. Well, let them load RBMK with their assemblies. The fourth block-childish prank will show up! And let the burial grounds be built. Smart people are not far. grass does not grow. Ukrainians are crushed morally, crushed. Crowding crowd.
  22. +1
    16 July 2014 10: 37
    Radiological means a landfill of radioactive waste. Having gone to the hohl.a.m., to wrap himself in the sheets and take places in the cemetery Yes
  23. +1
    16 July 2014 11: 30
    Quote: skylare
    Yes Yes. First a reserve, then secret international laboratories for the study of everything and everything. We definitely need to wait for the second explosion at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, since Strelok and Ghost-Brain are already available, there is a Fang. Zombies in Ukraine are half the country, Ocean controllers are sitting, bloodsucker is in Dnepropetrovsk, kinks on the Maidan, pseudo-giants are fighting with militias, and the rest will catch up in the process.

    Yes, it is clear that most of the "STALKER"
    1. 0
      16 July 2014 13: 36
      Yes, in a past life, dabbled, sir.
  24. 0
    16 July 2014 11: 37
    Collect all these Maidat fascists and rest in the Chernobyl reserve.
  25. sergey05
    0
    16 July 2014 11: 59
    I am simply struck by the level of stupidity, greed and something else of world (Ukrainian especially) politicians. In Ukraine, the best chernozem lands in the world and their lands ...
    radioactive waste and other waste too. They would be taken to the Sahara desert, Gobi or other dead zone. When everyone is ... where are we going to move? There is no spare planet.
  26. +2
    16 July 2014 12: 16
    Quote: skylare
    Yes Yes. First a reserve, then secret international laboratories for the study of everything and everything. We definitely need to wait for the second explosion at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, since Strelok and Ghost-Brain are already available, there is a Fang. Zombies in Ukraine are half the country, Ocean controllers are sitting, bloodsucker is in Dnepropetrovsk, kinks on the Maidan, pseudo-giants are fighting with militias, and the rest will catch up in the process.
    1. 0
      16 July 2014 14: 17
      Read my thoughts.
  27. Vitalka
    +1
    16 July 2014 12: 53
    another 500 million euros will be needed in excess of the previously approved estimate.

    That's the fantasy of the ukroministra. 15% he already in his thoughts put in his pocket. The rest is in Kiev. The article was not surprised. The same scheme works for Moscow, everything is simple and the same.
  28. 0
    16 July 2014 13: 01
    I read an article, comments, and could not stand it

    "What impact the nature of the contaminated zone can have on people, we, of course, approximately know (although much is still unknown). Nevertheless, if there is still a nature reserve, then where will people be taken? Will they be delivered?"

    What kind of people?

    "Quote: skylare
    Yes Yes. First the reserve, then the secret international laboratories for the study of everything and everyone. "

    What labs ??

    Or maybe Father in secret from the world community since the 88th year conducts experiments?
    1. +1
      16 July 2014 14: 15
      Why not? They study the effects of various types of radioactive radiation on living organisms and not only. And the Americans for such a training ground and even for an indefinite lease will only be grateful.
      1. +1
        16 July 2014 14: 58
        It seems to me that you have somewhat confused the wet with the soft, but the radiological reserve and the SNF repository are somewhat different things. And the Americans have enough of their landfills in Arizona and Nevada.
        But about the fact that after assigning the status of a reserve, at least some funding will be allocated for scientific work in it, everyone kindly tactfully remained silent.
        1. +1
          16 July 2014 20: 41
          Quote: Alex Koch
          But about the fact that after assigning the status of a reserve, at least some funding will be allocated for scientific work in it, everyone kindly tactfully remained silent.

          For scientific work? Stand out ?? In Ukraine??? belay
          Forget it Yes . The maximum you can count on is foreign grants.
          You still have a SARCOFAG. Deal with him.
    2. +1
      16 July 2014 14: 29
      On June 21, 1941, Jews drank seagulls in Odessa cafes and did not believe that Hitler was absolutely serious in his statements and intentions ... And they would have told you back in early April this year that rivers of blood would soon be spilled in Donbass, you would also be perplexed "What rivers?", "What blood?"
      1. 0
        16 July 2014 15: 01
        You know, living in the Donbass, at the beginning of April (and even earlier) I, as well as many, already clearly understood that things were moving towards a civil war
        1. 0
          16 July 2014 15: 07
          Quote: Alex Koch
          You know, living in the Donbass, at the beginning of April (and even earlier) I, as well as many, already clearly understood that things were moving towards a civil war

          Living in Russia, here already in the December-January month the people said that the matter would end with a warrior. Later, you have a respected ignition.
          1. +1
            16 July 2014 15: 20
            Alexander, let's not get personal, conversations are one thing (they went from the last Maidan), and clear confidence is somewhat different. Or are you covertly hinting that in the Russian Federation already in December-January there were people who knew for sure that artillery would hit Slavyansk?
        2. +1
          16 July 2014 15: 22
          You know, at the beginning of December, we sensed that the Maidan would grow into something terrible, but no one had foreseen what we see today. It is unlikely that anyone could have imagined then that soon cities and villages would be bombed out in the Donbas, hundreds of inhabitants would be killed, including children, women and old people. It is unlikely that you guessed that the Kiev elite would send foreign mercenaries to the southeast, give the order to bomb their own people ...
  29. +2
    16 July 2014 13: 13
    Besides Bagirov, we have enough other "bad people" ...

    By the way, Bagirov is a rare rag and, for that, has repeatedly received over an impudent hara:
    1. 0
      16 July 2014 14: 32
      this is not the same Eduard Bagirov. yours is a writer. And the Ukrainian Bagirov is a human rights activist, now racking his brains how to rescue pilot Savchenko "from captivity" - she is Nadia.

      here it is Bagirov real -
  30. 0
    16 July 2014 13: 29
    Did they set up Chernobyl for us? Or was it a "mistake" as the media tell us?
  31. Jeronimo
    0
    16 July 2014 15: 53
    Generally speaking, the article should be put a minus. Analysts are zero. But a lot of conspiracy theory.
    The main driving force is always money.
    The minister’s body movements are also money.
    Now the zone is under the control of the police, the Ministry of Emergency Situations and a certain institute (it conducts radiation and other controls). Surely there are other organizations, I do not pretend to be absolute
    There is a shadow conflict between these three organizations over financial flows and capital resources.
    Zones. As always, Ukrainians come to the point of idiocy, people going to college are not allowed in by the police. Police officers cannot pass exams in the Republic of Belarus (they pass an institute), and this is an automatic prohibition on working in the Zone.
    Maintaining the work and guarding the zone is money and not small.
    Then there is still a lot of things that can be withdrawn from the zone and sold. This is one of the reasons why radiological laboratories appeared at all metallurgical enterprises in Russia and Ukraine, as well as enterprises selling metal scrap abroad. Ukrainians have no conscience about the sale of contaminated scrap metal. Obviously, this business is under the control of all three organizations.
    Tourism to the zone. This is also not a weak business. The militia gives access to the zone, the Zone employees accompany it, because it was they who completely mapped the entire Zone.
    Then the Zone has been closed for more than 25 years. Nature has taken its toll. A huge number of animals for hunting and fishing. The area itself is Polesie, incredibly beautiful and picturesque. The police have there unofficial hunts and fish bases. I don’t know for sure, but I’m sure that paid illegal hunting is underway. After all, it was in the Zone that such species as the Manchurian deer and Prozhevalsky's horse were restored.
    If desired, and following certain rules, it is possible to eat everything. And, you can also order a radionuclide inspection service after hunting or fishing.
    The danger is close to zero - the entire area is mapped 20 times.
    Russia and international funds have already donated money for the sarcophagus and soil decontamination several times. Everything is stolen. Serious scientific institutions have long curtailed their work there.
    Clearly, the minister wants to grab this tidbit with all current and future businesses.

    The construction of the storage there is quite reasonable and justified. There is a certain infrastructure, and there are very good specialists, fans of their craft and professionals. Despite the fact that to remain so in the past 25 years in Ukraine, it is very difficult.
    1. 0
      16 July 2014 16: 07
      Firstly, the article does not deny that several groups are filling the zone: large American industrial companies that are engaged in extracting oil shale in Ukraine, certain ukroverhi, CIA, Washington, US State Department ... Naturally, their direct interest is money.

      And secondly, your speech seems to me absurd... 25 has flown by ... Tepecha can relax and chew everything that runs there, swims, flies and grows ...

      A huge number of animals for hunting and fishing. The area itself - Polesie, is incredibly beautiful and picturesque. The militia has unofficial hunts and fish bases there. I do not know for sure, but I am sure that paid illegal hunting is underway. After all, it was in the Zone that species such as Manchurian deer and Projevalsky's horse were restored.
      If desired, and following certain rules, it is possible to eat everything. And, you can also order a radionuclide inspection service after hunting or fishing.


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      What rules, for example? What special rules can there be to eat infected game and at the same time, in the best case, just crap oneself loosely?

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      and generally Much in your comment gives you an interested person who would be very profitable to expand (besides, also legally !!!!) a turset in a special area. Especially liked the last phrase:
      And, you can also order a radionuclide inspection service after hunting or fishing.
      ...

      Well, the fishermen will order, they will consolidate, it turns out. that fish fonit specifically so, and what? Or do you have there special equipment that, when necessary, shows 0?
      1. 0
        16 July 2014 16: 33
        Once again, you have gone somewhere to the side, and here is fishing, hunting and tourism?
        The article uses a quote from Wikipedia on radiology, let me quote Wikipedia about nature reserves:
        "In accordance with the Federal Law, state nature reserves are nature conservation, research and environmental education institutions with the aim of preserving and studying the natural course of natural processes and phenomena, the genetic fund of flora and fauna, individual species and communities of plants and animals, typical and unique ecological systems. "

        Or the Ukrainian version:
        "A reserve, or a reserve of a suvorogo regime, is a territory of a water environment, for which the whole natural complex is not to be found in a natural land. The IUCN classifies as a natural reserve of the category of culture Ia. . metoyu, yak reserve tvarin i Roslyn In Ukraїnі perebuvayut pid receptionists powers Golovnі funktsії of Ukrainian zapovіdnikіv -. zberezhennya gene pool Flory i fauna receptionists neporushenih chi maloporushenih natural dіlyanok (etalonіv nature) vivchennya ekologії tvarin i Roslyn, porіvnyannya bіogeotsenozіv zapovіdnika of natural complex sumіzhnih Territory, for which the state's activity is allowed (for predicting the potential changes in natural ecosystems due to the great energy of people).

        For those who do not understand the "state":
        Preserve or reserve of strict regime - the territory or water area in which its entire natural complex is stored in a natural state. According to IUCN, it is classified as category Ia conservation area. The reserves are distinguished as unique monuments of history and culture, of animate and inanimate nature, with a scientific purpose, as reserves of animals and plants. In Ukraine, they are under state protection. The main functions of Ukrainian reserves are to preserve the gene pool of flora and fauna, protect undisturbed or undisturbed natural areas (standards of nature), study the ecology of animals and plants, compare the biogeocenoses of the reserve with the natural complexes of adjacent territories where economic activity is allowed (to predict possible changes in natural ecosystems under the influence of human activity). Reserves are also used as the basis for scientific propaganda of nature conservation.

        Tobish is a territory where human activities are prohibited
        1. 0
          16 July 2014 16: 44
          Well, for whom and "sovereign", and personally for me - the language of the national minority, which is spoken only by the Ukrainians themselves (and even then not all), and the Westerners do distort in their own way ...

          where is fishing, hunting and tourism?
          - Allow me, you yourself painted all the delights of hunting for the Przhevalsky horses ... I think you have some throwings, you will not understand what is in your head
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          And it is not necessary to explain to me what a reserve is. Deliver me from your comments, in which the devil will not only break my leg, but also break my neck in half
      2. Jeronimo
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        16 July 2014 18: 44
        1. The zone is controlled by Ukraine itself. Total theft has discouraged international organizations and industrial companies from cooperating with Ukraine in the Zone. Money was allocated for 3 sarcophagi. Ukrainian officials lit everyone they could. Although rather, both sides in this matter are welded.
        2. Yes there are certain rules. For example, strontium accumulates in the bones and gills of fish. Do not eat and everything will be ok. There are other rules. They will be prompted by radiologists. What makes you think that all the infected game is there? Again, the fact of generous fishing and unusual hunting, rather than eating game, is important to many, real professionals. This part is ready to pay real money.
        3. My interest is that the real infection from the zone does not fall into the economic facilities of Russia. And to really engage in the zone, and not steal money. Changing the status of the Zone and expanding it is all just a change in the business entity, but in fact for Ukraine the change of some thieves to others. All that is in the zone now is the money of the international community and Russia.
        4. From your last phrase about "zero", it is immediately clear that, excuse me, a humanitarian. None of the equipment shows zero.
        Your response to my comment is unprofessional and overly hysterical. I would like to draw attention to the fact that the article focuses on the conspiracy theory - tests on people. But in fact, everything is simpler - Minister Mohnik is driven by the usual thirst for profit through theft and control of financial flows.
  32. 0
    16 July 2014 16: 23
    hahaha, even if they make a reserve from Chernobyl to the western borders. Now that’s it.
    1. 0
      16 July 2014 16: 41
      You obviously do not live in Ukraine. Most of the population do not care deeply that somewhere they are bombing "Donetsk". People live ordinary lives, go to work, think about where to spend their holidays or have a barbecue on the weekend. For them, war is a TV screen. And everyone has already got used to the fact that the country has a stable ass and even learned to adapt
  33. 0
    16 July 2014 16: 51
    Quote: GRAMARI111
    - Allow me, you yourself painted all the delights of hunting for the Przhevalsky horses ... I think you have some throwings, you will not understand what is in your head

    Let me ask you where and when? Quote will not be superfluous either
  34. 0
    16 July 2014 17: 01
    What about my comments
    Quote: GRAMARI111
    in which the devil will not only break his leg, but also break his neck in half

    Their logic is simple - under an absolutely peaceful and correct decision to create a reserve (which, frankly, had to be made 20 years ago), the author of the article brings a politically and commercially biased basis absolutely in the style of Goebbels-Tymchuk, without giving clear facts and bypassing silent examples of other countries
  35. 0
    16 July 2014 17: 15
    "We have pushed the borders of Ukrainian nationalism far to the East ... Our Bandera army is growing daily. That is why our enemies tremble! ... Bandera is the symbol that leads Ukrainians to fight."

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/183/kuao284.jpg
    1. +1
      16 July 2014 17: 17
      Quote: Veteran of the Red Army
      Veteran of the Red Army

      The photo is not Bandera, it was some kind of German bump.
    2. +1
      16 July 2014 17: 17
      This is not Bandera. a certain similarity is present. but not him. This is Reinhard Gehlen
      1. +1
        17 July 2014 04: 33
        Quote: GRAMARI111
        This is not Bandera. a certain similarity is present. but not him. This is Reinhard Gehlen

        Quote: GRAMARI111
        This is not Bandera. a certain similarity is present. but not him. This is Reinhard Gehlen

        absolutely right! this is the same Gehlen, who disappeared into the states, and leaked the entire "eastern" agents to American intelligence, the priceless shot turned out to be ... Sanya +, and Marina ++!
  36. 0
    16 July 2014 20: 41
    Ukraine is preparing to become the main radioactive burial ground of the EU, that’s why they need to double the territory of Chernobyl, pah dill completely survived!
    1. 0
      16 July 2014 21: 09
      and people seem to be in the way ...
  37. Everest2014
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    17 July 2014 01: 39
    I wrote about this much earlier. Then they spat on my attempts, well, then this is not necessary.
  38. 0
    20 July 2014 23: 21
    The reserve in Chernobyl, for me, only a nutcase could come up with. From the beginning, deal with the temporary sarcophagus, which, according to the plans of the USSR, was to be rebuilt 20 years ago, judging by the reports of recent years, it is already pretty much there. Isn't Kiev afraid that it will collapse when tourists from the west will "rest" there?