The Russian army continues to be "churched". Do armies need military chaplains (poll)?

Patriarch Kirill called deviation from military duties a deadly sin. 31 said this at a meeting with students of the military academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and A. Serdyukov, the head of the Ministry of Defense, also attended. The main phrase of the patriarch at this meeting, in my opinion, was the following: “And the most important priority is the fear of God - fear is not emotional, not adrenaline, but fear as a moral category, as a system of values. Then man realizes that it is impossible to act against the will of God, that treachery is a deadly sin, evasion of one’s direct duties or violation of the oath is a deadly sin; and this understanding penetrates to the depths of the human soul. " In addition, it was reported that 240 military clerics were introduced into the staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and they would be taken by priests of the Orthodox Church, as well as representatives of other religions traditional for the Russian Federation. Thus, the process of reviving the so-called. "Chaplaincy Institute".

The Patriarch proposed to allocate "chaplains" special premises in the territories of military units, so that the military priest could, apart from educational work with the military, perform services, "confess, commune, pray."

The myth of the Great Patriotic War, the Stalin era, which Cyril supported and introduces the Church into the minds of the parishioners

- The myth of the Reich as a high-tech adversary, and the USSR is backward, remembered the image that the liberoids loved - the “three-ruler for two with one cartridge of cartridges” and further even more fun “people went towards tank wedges with the same three-ruler for two or three. " The patriarch, apparently, mixed up the First and Second World Wars - “rifle” and “shell” famine, it was in the First World War. When they just fought "For Faith, Tsar and Patronymic." By the time of the Great Patriotic War, the USSR was not inferior in technology and industrial capacity to the Third Reich, which is why Magnitogorsk beat the Ruhr.

What the patriarch said is true

“Russia, as a state with countless riches, a unique geopolitical position, with enormous opportunities,“ has always been a desired object for those who would like to use for themselves all the advantages that God wished to give to our people ”.

- There are few states in the world that, like Russia, “were subjected in their stories so powerful manifestations of external aggression. "

What does this message mean?

- First, Moscow repeats the mistakes of the Russian Empire, realizing the project “Petersburg-2”. The church is still trying to replace the popular idea of ​​the Russian civilization with its dogmas. The very ideas of Christ have long been forgotten, Leo Tolstoy tried to remind people of this. So, and the current novostroi (temples), foreign cars and a full life of the church hierarchs, their silence 20-year-old about the genocide of the people, against the background of disasters of the masses, sheer hypocrisy and pharisaism. The result will be the same as in the 1917 year. Russian will not be "slaves of the Lord".

“The patriarch is lying that“ the most important priority is the fear of God, ”while our ancestors said the opposite — not for fear, but for conscience. Fear is one, or even the main sin and weakness of a person. According to him, the army must fight "for the fear of God" and not for the Truth, the Motherland ?! Fear is from the animal origin of man, it gives rise to lack of will and lies. It is by fear, horror (terror) that the rulers and the “world behind the scenes” control people, introducing the so-called “electronic concentration camp” on the planet. Our ancestors, the Rus-Russ, were famous for their fearlessness, they were ready to die for their Ideals, for the Truth, for not retreating from Conscience.

How little remained in the Russian Church from the spirit of Sergius of Radonezh, in fact, the church has become a business shop that helps in selling Russia, an instrument of breaking the Russian Spirit. It is unfortunate that the Church at the present time cannot give birth to the titans of the Spirit, who would be able to give a life-giving impulse for Russia, to clean the Augean stables of the present Church, mired in greed and thoughtless formalism.

Comments

[atheist]

I believe that religion itself has already outlived itself, all its myths about the end of the world, about the executions of Egypt, about the flood and so on, are a huge exaggeration, and not only Christianity, but also Muslims, Jews, Indians, Buddhists, and others- lead the world to chaos and destruction, I believe that atheism and law will lead the world to the future faster than constant wars and killings for the glory of the Almighty

[theist]

By the way, in the West, the ideologists of atheism have always been Jews.
"atheism and the law will lead the world to the future" - which one? Outward triumph and prosperity of Israel? The power of the "golden calf" and "golden billion"?

[frame5]

Oh my God, Jews again.

[Kite]

Quote: atheist

........ religion itself has already outlived itself, ........

faith in any teaching is religion (at least in the theory of relativity), a group of people united by any complex of moral laws is the church. It is impossible to completely reject religion, unless, of course, you equate yourself with an elementary particle of matter in universal chaos. Consciousness may be a phenomenon of matter, but in this case, it does not represent any value from itself.
So what to rely on a warrior without ideas and consciousness?

[Michael]

To build an EMPIRE on an old (religious) basis, alas, the idea is nonsense. And the army, which is the basis of this Empire, in fact, cannot be monolithic due to various religions. An idea is needed that does not take into account the religious foundations of the Empire. Build it on the stolen wealth of units and the impoverishment of all the rest - garbage, As for me, then only one thing - all invested in the Empire - the Empire honestly with all paid off the protection of its citizens, money earned, etc. Utopia? Do you like the foundations of modern crap democracy?

[Owl]

There should be Commanders in the Army. It is possible to build and equip premises for religious events (which do not interfere with military service) at points of permanent deployment, and God must be in the soul of every person.

[atheist]

democracy in its essence is a normal phenomenon, but as always there are excesses (the USA, NATO), or inflections (the rise to power of radicals, fascists, Islamists), or its absence (the USSR before Khrushchev, Germany-1935-1945, Africa, Belarus), need average value as in china

[forsilon]

Who is needed in the army, only those who serve there, those who have to expose their lives to real danger, can correctly say. And what a person needs at this moment, only he knows. One needs a copellan who can give calmness and confidence, the other, as "Owl" writes, has God in his soul and he himself can ask Him for help, for the third God is his conscience and the Fear of God is fear of his conscience. Everyone knows better than others who and the code he needs. One thing I know for sure is that in difficult times, and especially in the matter of life and death, a person needs support. Probably not for nothing that Sergiy blessed Dmitry on the Kulikovo Field, and before the Battle of Borodino they carried out the icon of the Mother of God. To answer correctly, and not just be smart, one must have experience of such "troubles". I am sure that Copellan will not preach cowardice, cowardice, betrayal, etc. but quite the opposite. So today we are talking neither about the Bible, nor about Christianity, Islam or Buddhism, nor about impious priests, but about a soldier and about someone incomprehensible to our mind. With respect to all. Forsilon /

[konsul]

Mr. Samsonov, you have arranged the survey in such a way that an ignorant person will unequivocally answer "no", while turning everything upside down. Are you so naive that you think there is no pressure on the bishops? Our (Orthodox) Church has been shouting about the state of our people for 20 years (do you think they will let her talk about it on TV?) Priests talk about this in churches, where it is possible In our village there are 2 temples destroyed by order of the rulers of the state, who should restore them? People no longer have such incomes, and there are almost no such people. They were built by the whole world (they gave the last). Now, about a well-fed life, the priests of the church feed only from the parish, the state does not pay them any salary. I know because in our village the income of a priest is one and a half to two thousand rubles (if there is a holiday), or even even less, he does not have a car. Accordingly, in cities the situation is different, which is possible and allows you to buy a foreign car. At the same time, you are not saying that the Church arranges shelters for children, helps those in need, including those in prisons, read the Orthodox media - there are no not a single issue that does not talk about the problems of our people. And, by the way, the patriarch does not lie talking about the fear of God. You confuse panic fear with the fear of committing a sin before God (and we always walk before Him), in this case "fear God's "and" for conscience "are synonyms.
Give at least one example that the Church is a business shop selling the interests of Russia and a tool for breaking the Russian Spirit. I know that you will not. I am an Orthodox Christian and I praise God for this. A. V. Suvorov (the same generalissimo) is the compiler of the penitential canon , which is read by everyone who prepares for communion. Admiral Ushakov had a monastery charter on the ships. How many defeats did they suffer? Or maybe pagan priests or mullahs gave the army a tank column "Dmitry Donskoy" during the Second World War? What do you generally know about our Church ? People, according to St. Paisiy Svyatogorets, are divided into 2 species - bees and flies. A bee among, forgive, shit - sees a flower, and a fly among flowers - just - a curse has been removed - although maybe you are just an agent of influence on this site, interfering truth and lies, to please your superiors.

[Stefano]

May our Holy Russia rejoice.

[atheist]

Comrade Consul, you are so stupid (flies as bees see with equally faceted eyes, as a biologist say), like most religious figures all over the world, you think that there is the Almighty, criminals are all believers, but you saw at least one atheist, the army needs training, good weapons , proper nutrition, knowledge of the enemy and the area, then the army will be invincible, and not because of some kind of Almighty,
temples are the owners of slaves, due to which they live,
why help the criminals who killed, raped, stole, scoffed, -you say that they repented, ha, they will come out and start again (97%)
the church became rich (in all countries) thanks to the government (or was the government itself)
but I agree that it helps children, but at whose expense?, of course, at the expense of those oligarchs who launder their sins

[forsilon]

Dear atheist, you are too rude towards the consul. He did not explain the principle of insect vision to you, but very clearly informed that a bee always flies to honey, and a fly flies to impurities.
. And how this happens is the tenth question. You object that the army, first of all, needs a high spirit, and then everything that you wrote forsilon.

[theist]

The Freemasons freak out ...

[atheist]

Comrade Forsilon, you are also wrong, there are flies that drink nectar, but in general they fly to the smell of decomposition, and not just to sewage, and there are also oil flies
I’ll also revive you, if the army does not have what I have listed, then there will be no fighting spirit, even idealists and ardent patriots-fools will not have enough to raise it to others

[Klibanophoros]

The chaplains will not decide anything, a complete mess reigns in the army of the Russian Federation, and the appearance of bearded uncles with unclear, unwritten powers will bring even more confusion, moreover, now the units are spreading "DAGOVshchina" and "devilry", as POPA's comrades are going to eradicate it by substituting a vest crying "spirit"?
But political officers (Commissioners), professional sergeants, are very necessary!
Credentials? Yes, like the Soviet comrades in the 20s and 30s. They themselves must be responsible for the entrusted division of the head in the literal sense of the word, for his devotion to the fatherland, political literacy, combat readiness, for the moral character and discipline of the personnel.
Unfortunately, this is no longer possible under the Edrosovsky government ...

[mitrich]

Priests are needed, like mullahs, if Muslims serve, in the amount of one per unit, without funding from the Ministry of Defense.
In the platoon, company, battalion, their functions should be performed by comrades sergeants, exclusively contract soldiers, only the amounts in contracts and the age of sergeants should be changed in the direction of a significant increase. It's not about drunks who have not found themselves in civilian life.

[atheist]

no, no mullah, no priest, no other clergyman should be in the army, this will only lead to discord between religions and atheism, and I agree with klibanoforos, except for the 20-30s, each nation should serve at home

[Eric]

Cyril will be on the guillotine! Apostate! Traitor! Hence all his undertakings! The church should be separated from the authorities on the principle of the USSR in due time!

[mitrich]

ERIC
as for Gundyaev (Cyril), then I agree with you. But here the topic is something else. About priests (chaplains incorrectly) in the army. In the Russian army, as you know, both Tatars and Bashkirs serve. And if these people pray before the battle to one God, but in their own way, what is bad here. Before the revolution, it was in the glory of the Fatherland, everyone prayed to their gods, but everyone died the same way. You fall into war, involuntarily cross yourself. In general, I am for priests.

[atheist]

Mitrich, therefore more people died than enemies, it is better to have high-tech equipment than a believer, getting to the war not before baptism,

[frame5]

Religion is not needed neither in the army, nor in school, nor in power, nor in the institute.

[Kochenov S.Yu.]

Of course this is beneficial ..... at 12 years old it is difficult to find a girl for the bride .... whatever it would be a shame to walk around and would not poke a finger and laugh ... right? about identity ..... not to mention other human moral values ​​and patriotism ....

[frame5]

what the person wanted to say is incomprehensible.
It is expressed vaguely so ... ambiguously ... some children are dragged ...

[mitrich]

Not true, ATHEIST, not true. A man with faith in his heart, call it whatever you like, to the Motherland, Stalin, whoever you like, they rushed under the tanks, closed the machine-gun nests. The Russians conquered with their spirit all the "high-tech" technology. There are plenty of such examples during the Second World War, and Afgan, and Chechnya. Do you think Stalin was a fool to open churches during the war? Do not confuse Kirill's entrepreneurial activity with faith. A specific pop, even a high-ranking one, and our faith are two different things.

[atheist]

I don’t support Stalin, this tyrant, fool and tyrant who put thousands of unnecessary human waste both before the war and after,
I would look at you after a week of dehydration and hunger, and how you will fight, but you will not go far on bare enthusiasm, and do not confuse willpower with a religion that is nothing good, like millions of victims and backwardness in progress

[war]

this tyrant, fool and tyrant

He’s a good fool, he built a Super empire from Berlin to Kamchatka. You yourself ... punch.

[mitrich]

ATHEIST,
how could you look at me after a week of dehydration and hunger if you were not there. For you, what is eating the best incentive to fight?
Do not insult Stalin, simply because he was smarter than you and me.

[atheist]

there would be a particle
I can’t and I won’t fight without water, food and other things, Stalin was dumber than me, I don’t know how about you, I would have been clever to end the war in 1 year, and with small losses,

[Slipfar]

What are you divided into two camps? The soldier NEEDS good equipment, the army must constantly develop and train, no one argues, but if the soldier is also TRUE believer, then he will be really strong in spirit on the battlefield. And atheists (one of By the way, they were Stalin, even though he studied at the seminary, from where he was kicked out for blasphemy and the like) they are inclined to commit brutal acts to one degree or another (of course, not all atheists will do this, but our history of the USSR, in particular, the Stalinist era, gives a good example) because every true believer knows that he will have to answer for all his sins, and not before people, but before God himself, and atheists INITIALLY have nothing to lose, because their understanding can be done by anything, and there will be no answer for this, since after death they will die and nothing more will happen to them.

[atheist]

1) I will answer about the empire, he did not create, but simple soldiers and Lenin, Stalin usurped power and ruined everything
2) I personally did not see more than one atheist criminal, but the criminals are all believers, and their words are the same, we do not care, we live according to the concepts, and the Bible does not say anything about pedaphilia or about murder with a special cruelty, and atheists live by the law, and I do not want to spend life behind bars
3) I don’t need to say that religion is good-war under the pretext of religion, the witch hunt, and sorcerers who slowed down progress for hundreds of years

[Slipfar]

Hahahaha, have you seen a single atheist criminal? Do you know how many prisoners and former "convicts" are in Russia? You interviewed all of them or what? You write that all criminals are believers. They told you themselves? All these millions ? If you are an atheist, then how can you reason about what is written in the Bible and what is not? YOU ARE AN ATHEIST, which means either you have not read the Bible at all, or you speak from the words of some "other people", then why are you talking about this topic AT ALL ?. You write that atheists live by the law? And the deputies? Officials? Our valiant police? There are almost all atheists, because. true believers do not engage in lawlessness.

[atheist]

laughter of a moron, but I didn’t see, didn’t interrogate, but familiar convicts said, everyone starts to believe in the Almighty when they give a long term,
do you think that I couldn’t read the bible, the enemy must know in person and look for weak places, your deputies and officials, and the police, about whom you speak are believers, and honest people are atheists, I study with true believers and what- alcohol is their friend, to fuck, anyway with whom, hemp, is it okay, do you think it’s good? -Then you are imbecile, street gopniks are also believers, but for some reason they take away money and phones
And who are you, in general, to forbid me to talk about something,

[Slipfar]

I would advise you to choose expressions, I disagree with you, but I don’t allow myself any harsh expressions in your direction. And by the way, I’m not friends with you, so contact me with "you", as I do to you, this is the principle of politeness, if YOU didn’t know. As for the faith, I will repeat to you once again that TRUE believers do not engage in lawlessness, and they avoid and do not accept debauchery.
I can’t forbid you to argue, but I can point out to you that you are too radically discussing a topic that you ABSOLUTELY disrespect and do not accept, therefore it is not necessary to talk about rational statements in your words.
Do you have any convicts you know, and do you communicate freely with them? Then in what kind of society do you revolve yourself? What can be your level of understanding of the world?
By the way, I am an honest person, this is my quality and I value and support them very much, but this does not stop me from being a believer.

[Engineer]

There are 2 sides of the same coin.
1. Probably with a belly on the embrasure of the bunker, or on the ground attack aircraft against the tank, faith is needed (in Christ, Allah, the Tsar, Stalin, ....).
2. And if you competently bypass the enemy, lay in an excellent ambush, kill a person you have never seen before and quietly hit the road with a silent and ultra-long-range rifle. This is probably all the same cold-blooded murder, which does not fit in with faith and justice.

And it is not up to us to decide what principle of war to confess to either the author or Cyril.

[forsilon]

Atheist, you are simply rude. Apparently this is due to the fact that you have many familiar "prisoners", hence the lexicon. Pay attention to how politely people who regard themselves as believers speak to you and how rude and unrestrained you are. Here is the difference between you, even in this. You just have a confusion and a hurricane in your head. If I were looking at the discussion, I would have removed you from registration for rudeness and insults.

[Sergey Yurievich]

[spoiler] I would put this Sokolov on a stake with pleasure ........... for stupidity and hatred of Russia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the country has left to be proud of is the army and the church ..... and even that, corrupt generals and nachfins began to pour mud over the army ......... what educational work can the polit departments offer as an alternative, - thieves concepts? for whom should the boys go to death in the Caucasus, for happiness and prosperity on the ruble? and the General Staff, meanwhile, released militants from the trap, and then they took hostages and blew up houses .... did one general or colonel go to court for betraying the motherland?
and I know a priest in the only church in Grozny who sacrificed his life to protect the church of Mikhail Archangel in Chechnya, how the militants tortured him and shot him ... proud that he baptized my son there .............
an atheist is a dummy, like a blank, in which it is obligatory (in American usually) to write either Satanism or fascism or God, DOLLAR, which fills a spiritual void by any means .... a holy place is never empty ..... As a result, either a traitor to the Motherland turns out or utter scum without a concept of honor ............................... so it is now. ..
and how many souls will the priest save in the army? families and mothers will thank for the return of traditions to the people whom advice was robbed morally and financially .................. the author of the article is the same from those ...... zombie Ilyich. ...

[forsilon]

Sergey Yuryevich, BRAVO! ! !

[atheist]

you all believe in something that is not there, and this is a scientifically proven fact, and you call yourself smart, you are worthless if so, and if not, you are lying, the Believer is just a herd of rams, slaves, and critters (as the Bible says) , and I’m not going to be like you are slowing down progress, science, it’s stupid to go with a machine gun to a tank, and killing in a war is killing, there either you or you

[mitrich]

Our atheist was small and stupid, and did not see large halls ... n.
Sorry, ATEIST, it's just the first thing that came to mind. I have nothing against you, to believe or not to believe, is your personal business, you just do not have to offend the feelings of believers.
There is such a wonderful Belarusian ensemble "Lyapis Trubetskoy", which has an equally wonderful song "I believe". Listen to it, and you will understand a lot about how a person feels in a war.

[atheist]

I want humanity to think and develop more progressively, otherwise they say that the Almighty will not work, I killed, so what, the Almighty judge is me, and not you, etc., War is a constant work on which they die, and there’s no time to talk about who or not, here are the generals and those who are outside the front can talk about it,
There is such an anecdote — the ship is sinking, people are being saved, and one, praying, says, the Almighty will save me (a true believer) -
1) a boat is sailing, they tell him to jump to us, he answers, no, the Almighty will save me
2) an inflatable raft is floating, the same thing, the Almighty will save
3) a log is floating, a man screams at him, jump another 1 place is, he-no, the Almighty will save me
the ship sank, the Almighty is before it, and the man asks, I believed in you, but you didn’t save me, he answers him, I gave you the boat, the raft gave you, the log gave, so what are my questions ??

[mitrich]

ATHEIST,
Do you give the right to think in an advanced way only to unbelieving people? I know a large number of people of science, real techies, whom science does not bother to go to church at all. I repeat once again: to believe or not to believe is your personal affair. Nobody is forcing this right on you.
But your comments smack of "militant" atheism. Well, like in the 1920s, when the Komsomol volunteers destroyed churches and forcibly shaved the beards of the priests. You need to be more tolerant of people, brother.

[Eric]

That Father is not a noble Father! I advise everyone to watch "Live and Believe" and "Peacemakers" the second film was shot by the "Pelican" studio, the first I don't know ...

[atheist]

They impose their religion on me, even the leading ones said that atheism is a disease and it needs to be uprooted, therefore they brought me down at the session, because of this I have constant scandals and enemies in my group, these stupid people believe in God and do not believe in aliens, and they say, ha, you believe in green men, well, t, d, and accordingly, why in space, there is nobody there, but there is justice they have filled up on the theory of evolution,
I don’t see the point of tearing down buildings, it’s better not to build churches, but to give this place for the construction of apartments for state employees
and the last one, I’m not your brother, even though scientists (atheists) proved that 7 out of 10 people came from one ancestor (women) - obtained by the presence of mitochondria,

[mitrich]

ATHEIST,
the people who laughed at you at the institute about your views are just stupid people. You transferred your personal bitterness to everyone in a row. And I imagine, I believe and believe in aliens too. And I also believe in S-300.
Sorry for my brother, in general, I didn’t impose on your relatives. This appeal is so friendly.

[atheist]

I just try to talk to everyone the same way, or reciprocate, and still religion has been a cause of war for thousands of years, think Rome, Jerusalem, Constantinople, Turkey, balkans, Armenia, Chechnya, Egypt (now
), Israel, and how much more will be

[mitrich]

There was such a border guard soldier (I can't remember his last name). He wore a cross, but more so, for the sake of form. He was captured by the "spirits" in the first war. Let's break it, accept, they say, our Islamic faith, we won't even cut your pussy. Just call yourself Abdullah or Jabrail, then you will live. Refused. They scoffed at the guy terribly, after which they buried him alive. Now he is the Russian Orthodox Church canonized. This is not a legend, but a true truth.
As I understand it, an ATEIST in this case would accept all the conditions. And what? I don’t believe in anything. And I want to live like that ...
If you are Russian and live in Russia, then in any case you should be tolerant of the church, if only because it is very important for many, it is, in fact, our historical plan, Orthodoxy.

[atheist]

I heard this story, I would not ACCEPT it, only because I would be forced to, but the believer would accept what difference does it make to whom to worship, because there is only one idol, and that he loses nothing, and the ATHEIST will not (as I wrote above ) WORSHIP and be a slave,
That is, if you are RUSSIAN and live in Russia, then you must be an atheist, and from the side of history Russia is a multinational and religious country, and tolerance, where you saw it, the historical side of any country is paganism, and our country too

[DAGESTAN333]

I think it is logical, in terms of defining faith in God, to ask about the root cause of the entire universe. The thought clearly suggests itself that if something (for example: man, space) exists and has an end, then there was clearly a beginning, the beginning of all beginnings, but there must also be the ONE who launched this very "beginning". Since, proceeding from normal logic, it is difficult, just as it is difficult to deny the existence (of space, man), looking into each other's eyes, and we give the status of ABSOLUTE POWER to the creator of everything.

[atheist]

only faith will destroy us in the 3rd world war under the flag of death is unfaithful and protect us from this terrorism and oppression of the rights of people in the world of Islam where there is gas or oil

[mitrich]

ATHEIST,
keep on swaggering as I glance. In my opinion, you are simply unsatisfied with life (and feminine affection), a young man who stubbornly adheres to the once chosen line and does not want to turn off it. Now you are definitely not my brother.
And about I DO NOT AGREE you, sorry, fucked up. When they put a crooked knife to your thin neck, and even swear in a loud and scary voice, you will not only accept Islam, you will also circumcise yourself with your right hand. I’ve seen such heroes in my lifetime, how many do you know? You are an open book for me, like AHMET on the forum about Ukraine.

[atheist]

and I’ll see that you’re still trying to prick me, but a loser like you is not destined to come true, but about women, not for you to judge, you can see for yourself,
it’s better to leave the wrong path yourself, otherwise it will be worse, you will die and that’s it,
And about the fact that I’ve fucked up like you, someone who’s, it's the believers who abandon their religion rather than atheists, if you think that a bunch of unwashed, bearded, hungry militants scare me, you’re mistaken, I also saw such heroes how do you move them once and everything is ready
if we were talking about books, then for me, the yellow press is interesting, but it makes no sense, only now I don’t live 100 years, maybe I won’t live up to 50

[forsilon]

Atheist, YOU are learning great lessons today. One MITRICH won how much time he spent. But so far, no success. Learn one thing - no one is going to remake you. It's just useless. Only the person himself can remake himself if he wants. Do not believe and do not believe, to your health. Yes and no need to believe. You need to know what the Supreme Intelligence is. And in order to know this, you have to think and dig a lot, look for an explanation for everything that surrounds, what is manifested. Those. a person must be with a different level of knowledge and different thinking. Probably, it is no coincidence that the largest scientists of our time and of past times: physiologists, physicists, chemists, technicians, doctors, etc. unambiguously come to the recognition of the existence of the Higher Mind. And they come to this not in the church, but doing science. And if you, as I understand it, are a future biologist and know about the faceted structure of insect eyes, then think about who so reasonably arranged it. You say, "Nature." And I will immediately agree with you if you endow her with reason. For there can be nothing reasonable from a dead person who does not possess reason. Fruitful thoughts to you, ATHEIST.

[mitrich]

ATHEIST,
waited for your answer, and then laughed. Your answer is just a confirmation of my innocence. Frankly, I thought you’d answer smarter. I won’t write anything more to you, I’ll just say - you’re still young.

[atheist]

I just expressed my point of view, you’re wrong, I agree with Forsilon, but the higher mind (for us) is the aliens who have learned to move from planet to planet, just like we are the higher mind for Aboriginal popups — new Guinea, I think our civilization is not 40000 years old, or maybe 100, or 1 million, who knows, people discover everything new and new, or maybe we are not from this planet at all, so religion speaks of a higher mind thoughtlessly

[Max79]

Perdyuk-Taburetkin’s place in the photo is not in the center, but in the bucket.

[Fisher0]

Well guys, you piled up .. Anyone who sincerely believes in God is a weak person, he needs a support. And I would not give him a weapon, nor entrust my fate. Anyone who believes "for money" is a vile person, because he uses someone else's weakness for selfish purposes. And the one who tries to talk about God and faith without knowing anything about it is a stupid person.
The attitude of the Russian people to religion is determined by the proverb: "Trust in God, but do not make a mistake yourself." A very healthy attitude.
Now about the army: a soldier in a war needs supplies and command, no pop outfit, weapons and ammunition will not replace.
But the clergymen in the army were already (re-read Schweik who forgot) - nothing else will come of it.
And anyway: what garbage to do - it would be better to establish a connection in the army. The benefits are greater.

[figwam]

Under Stalin there was one religion, Communism.
Why isn't religion to you?
Under this religion, people performed feats and died for their faith.
And the Nazis killed communists first, because... It is impossible to change or convince such people; this is an ideological and most dangerous enemy.

[Nicholas]

Faith is a personal matter for everyone, provided that it does not interfere with the common cause. Church structures are ALWAYS concerned only with expanding their own influence and increasing their own income. They are not interested in anything else. Increasing the influence of the church in the state is a sure path to its weakening and collapse. The more enlightened the population in a country, the less influence of the church (the opposite is also true).
Therefore, if we discard the verbal husk, the question in relation to the army is this: what is more important for the defense of the country is an arsenal with weapons or a church in each unit.

[Makl]

Quote: mitrich

. Do you think Stalin was a fool for opening churches during the war?

According to the "militant" believers. was a fool and the Antichrist. But that's not the point.

On the issue... If the priests learn to respect other religions, and conduct rituals in Islam and Lutheranism and Buddhism, then welcome to the army, it is very necessary, since the deputies are being dispersed, so let the priests work “with the people.” Until then, through the forest (with rare exceptions). So far my experience has not had any positive emotions.

[mitrich]

MAKL,
There are things that I don’t like about the modern Russian Orthodox Church.
I don’t like it when in my Yekaterinburg the local diocese tried to “promote” the idea of ​​​​building an Orthodox cathedral in the very center of the city, on the so-called. "Plotinka", which was never there and which did not fit in anywhere, neither in the village nor in the city. Even the wife of Governor Misharin, a Muscovite, was hired as a lobbyist. But the people rebelled, and now the idea seems to have been scrapped after all.
I don’t like the verbose ecumenist Patriarch Kirill, especially after some of his statements about the late Alexy. I don't like his biography. I don't like his last name.
But these are all just people, although they are considered models of splendor and decency. They cannot shake my faith.
As for the army, priests cannot and should not replace educational officers. Then it will be a total mess. Who is closest to the soldier? Junior commander, sergeant. He sleeps with the soldier, and eats, and shits in one push. The role of an army sergeant in the army has always been underestimated, and some irresponsible soldiers did not think anything of him at all if their service life was longer. Many sergeants, if not the majority, are themselves agents of hazing, fraternity and other crap.
Ideally, as it should be: a sergeant is a contract serviceman, 25-30 years old, the older brother of a conscript serviceman. And for Muslims in the army, a priest or mullah, one per unit, is an outlet from the hardships and hardships of military service.

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[Superduck]

I don’t understand at all why a person needs a priest, a church, a candle for 100 rubles and other paraphernalia to talk to God, if he still believes. Well, you need to pray and go for a walk, fulfill your duty to your homeland.
And the second question is, since when did Kirill define what a mortal sin is and what is not? Importing vodka and cigarettes without excise tax is probably not a sin, but the fact that a person does not want to serve as a sheep for the Dags is already a sin. It will start with the fact that the army is in the dream, hence the theological collapse. By the way, in Ukraine and Belarus there is an excess of conscripts over the order, and not because they pay a lot there, but because people there are not afraid to go there, the people are bringing in money so that they can be taken into the active (not potato-digging) unit. This is where we need to start. Where is the Russian Orthodox Church with the priests when the boys are forced to lick the buckets with their tongues or work on the panel?

[Gur]

I haven’t read .. the previous speakers .. Just my opinion .. Our state is secular .. hence .. I think this is superfluous .. “capilans” are not ours at all .. to believe or not to believe is also everyone’s business ... but to join religion is also possible in the army .. please leave .. go and join .. I’m also against it being introduced in schools .. and in general people should come to this consciously .. and not for the sake of a “cross” in the literal sense of the word. I was talking to someone here.. so he is generally against Orthodoxy (Russian, by the way..) but for the faith that was before baptism.. i.e.. to believe in Perun, etc.. and “Orthodoxy” is the concept from there.. meaning .. The right is to glorify .. live in truth .. so this is what I mean .. and what should we do for each or for each religion .. have a priest .. a mullah, etc..??

[Pinocchio]

The clergy in the army, in my opinion, is an attempt by the leadership to return the Russian spirit to our armed forces. There are practically no moral values ​​in Russian society.
After reading the comments, we can say with confidence that 99% of the Internet asset is still a residual product of Soviet atheistic propaganda that has been carried on by inertia over the past two decades. We must honestly admit that there is no Orthodox faith in our country. Everything will fall into place when a new war begins. We can't do it any other way. It's a pity.

[Nicholas]

--"The clergy in the army, in my opinion, is an attempt by the leadership to return the Russian spirit to our armed forces" --

Well, what does the Russian spirit have to do with it? It has nothing to do with religion. It is known from the chronicle: when the Russian prince was asked to be baptized, this was the fashion, he replied that it was not proper for him to engage in such nonsense: the squad would laugh.
The concepts of duty, honor, and morality have nothing to do with religion, although the church tries to actively exploit them.

[Sergei]

Nikolay completely agrees. And by the way, if it’s fair, in our army, in addition to Orthodox priests, we also need Catholic, as well as Islamic, Buddhist, and of course shamans, well, where would we be without them?

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[Alex]

Religion is a purely personal matter, and the state should stand aside. Remember medieval Europe, where the dominance of the Church gave rise to a lot of crimes and stagnation of scientific thought. It’s not for nothing that that era is called the Dark Middle Ages.
The fact is that all modern religions are dogmatic and incapable of answering serious eternal questions that excite an inquisitive mind. It all comes down to the fact that you must blindly believe what is written in one or another religious book.

[aleks]

But what about the patriarch’s statement that God sent the war with Hitler to our country because of lack of faith? Why does the patriarch hide the facts of prayers for the victory of Hitler, and not only the Russian Orthodox Church abroad?

[consul]

As for the army, priests cannot and should not replace educational officers.
-No priest will replace an officer in military affairs, but not a single soldier or officer will tell the officer-educator (an official, sometimes a superior) what he will say to the priest - the commander of a military unit, a lieutenant colonel, told me this.

Well, what does the Russian spirit have to do with it? It has nothing to do with religion. It is known from the chronicle: when the Russian prince was asked to be baptized, this was the fashion, he replied that it was not proper for him to engage in such nonsense: the squad would laugh.
The concepts of duty, honor, and morality have nothing to do with religion, although the church tries to actively exploit them
-The Russian spirit is directly connected with Orthodoxy. The prince you were talking about, Svyatoslav, ended up having him and his squad beaten by the Pechenegs and a cup made from his head. Generalissimo A.V. Suvorov, Field Marshal Saltykov, St. Warrior Feodor (Ushakov), F. Kutuzov, Adm. Nakhimov, St. Alexander Nevsky, St. Dmitry Donskoy and many other soldiers who went to war (defense of the Faith, Tsar and Fatherland) with prayer, fulfilling the Christian commandment about love (there is no greater love than if someone lays down his life for his friends).

But what about the patriarch’s statement that God sent the war with Hitler to our country because of lack of faith? Why does the patriarch hide the facts of prayers for the victory of Hitler, and not only the Russian Orthodox Church abroad?
-give at least one fact of the prayer service of the Russian Orthodox Church (which was located on the territory of the USSR, and not foreigners) for the victory of Hitler? There were many for the victory of Russia. One of them is http://www.glinskie.ru/common/mpublic.php?num =548

[runway]

No one can take away a person’s right to believe in the best, neither God, nor the king, nor the master.
Convincing a believer or an atheist is a thankless task.
But priests in the army now have something to do - serve a memorial service for the Russian army.

[- = 999 = -]

The army and the church are one.

[runway]

Thank you, I made you laugh :-)))).

[lightforcer]

There were political commissars in the Soviet army. Now a replacement is needed. Who else if not a pop?

[st792]

After such godless articles, I am not surprised at the negative processes in our army.