Kiev starts a new "war" with Russia

Kiev starts a new "war" with Russia
Kiev is again trying to solve its problems at the expense of Russia, and it has launched a real offensive on all fronts - in fact, a new round of “gas war” is beginning, the Sevastopol authorities are demanding an increase in the payment for the Black Sea fleet to the treasury of the city. And this is against the background of the complete failure of Kiev’s plans for European integration, the catastrophic fall in V. Yanukovych’s ratings.


The latest problems of Kiev

- According to a study by the Razumkov Center, in May 2011 was fully supported by the activities of President of Ukraine V. Yanukovich 10,9% of citizens of the state, while in May 2010, this level reached 39,1%. In general, almost half of the respondents do not support the current Yanukovych - 48,1%. Even the rating of Russophobe Yushchenko did not fall at such a fast pace.

The main reasons for this: Yanukovych’s failure to fulfill his election promises did not confirm the image of a “strong manager” created for him, the image of the main defender of the rights of the Russian population, a supporter of rapprochement with Russia, the end of the former Russophobic course. Yanukovych was just another "modernization" of anti-Russian, pro-Western leaders.

- The course towards integration into Europe, continued by Kiev under Yanukovych, completely failed. The myth of the coming happiness in the EU burst. In a way, it resembled the myth of “building communism” by 1980 - joining the EU should have solved all the problems of Ukraine. 25 May 2011, the European Commission announced a new strategy for the so-called. European Neighborhood Policy. Neighboring countries of the EU will now be able to get 7 billion euros, but Kiev is not threatened, much less Ukraine and the prospect of EU membership. An application may be submitted, but it does not mean the possibility of joining the EU. There is no one who wants to take on Ukraine’s problems in the EU, they don’t know what to do there with other bankrupt countries. Even financial aid to Kiev cannot be seen - for this, according to European Commissioner for Enlargement and Neighborhood Policy Stefan Fule, Ukraine had to “better” show itself in the previous period. And they do not believe in the success of Ukrainian reforms in the EU, as well as in the success in the fight against corruption. Problems with the so-called changes in the "development of democracy in the country"; in 2010, the progress report on the implementation of the European Neighborhood Policy in Ukraine stated: “The EU expresses concern about the decline in respect for fundamental freedoms and democratic principles in Ukraine”.

As a result, Ukraine has lost the "pink bubble", and then what? Is it not time for the Ukrainian intelligentsia and the authorities to get rid of the marasmic, pro-Western myths ?! Or is it also necessary to destroy the country?

“Since Ukraine is actively negotiating with the EU to sign an agreement on a free trade zone, and several times refused Moscow’s offers to enter the Customs Union.” So, in April of this year, V. Putin even flew to Kiev to break through this decision, with a modified formula - “3 + 1” (three countries of the CU plus Ukraine as a “friend”). Therefore, Moscow has already imposed sanctions on Ukrainian imports since 2005. Currently, Belarus and Kazakhstan are going to do this. It hit the metallurgy and chemical industry of Ukraine. On line meat and dairy products of Ukraine. And all the problems are connected with the persistent desire to integrate into Europe.

Claims to the Russian Federation

- Ukrainian Prime Minister Mykola Azarov at the talks in Moscow with Vladimir Putin wanted to get a discount on natural gas. Before that, he stated that the calculation formula would be revised and Ukraine would reconsider the price for transit through its territory. But he refused.

Miller voiced a deadly figure for Ukraine - 500 Dol. per thousand cubic meters. Kiev, and so is experiencing a severe shortage, reduces consumption. Plus, the failure of the pension reform, the emission of the hryvnia. Ukraine is waiting for the scenario of Belarus for the fall, only in 2-3 times the worst form, the economy of Belarus looks more stable. Kiev "sat down on two (three) chairs" - now, on the one hand, the failure of the EU accession negotiations, on the other hand, Moscow does not want to encourage the western course of official Kiev at its own expense.

Moreover, Kiev is also trying to put pressure on Moscow through Europe, for this the “Tymoshenko case” is going on, which allegedly signed a contract with V. Putin in exchange for the closure of criminal cases against her by the Russian Defense Ministry. Even the possibility of summoning Putin to be interrogated in this case was voiced. A gas contract will be challenged in an international court.

- The authorities of Sevastopol demanded an increase in contributions to the city’s treasury from the Russian Black Sea Fleet. The theme of the fleet in Ukraine is always linked to gas issues, a kind of blackmail, they say, you will crush, we will reconsider the contract and "ask" from Sevastopol.

In the end, while Kiev, instead of starting a real economic cooperation with the Russian Federation, leads small-town "wars", only worsening its position. Anyway, the West needs Kiev, only to contain Russia. The illusions about entering Europe should be forgotten like a bad dream.

Sources of:
http://www.km.ru/ukraina/2011/06/09/otnosheniya-rossii-i-ukrainy/yanukovich-uverenno-idet-po-stopam-yushchenko
http://www.km.ru/ukraina/2011/06/03/otnosheniya-rossii-i-ukrainy/razrazitsya-li-torgovaya-voina-mezhdu-ts-i-ukrainoi
http://weandworld.ru/ussr/552-ukraina-nikogda-ne-vstupit-v-evrosoyuz.html
http://www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2011/06/08/857045.html
http://www.pravda.ru/world/formerussr/ukraine/08-06-2011/1079724-navygas-0/#
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  1. Buy
    Buy 10 June 2011 10: 41 New
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    Customs Union. Gently lay so hard to sleep. Won Belarus got a full ass. It is well-known to everyone that this union is not as economic as the political community of Russian influence. In 2004, it was clear that Russia had 58 percent of the votes, divided by the economic scale of each country. In Belarus, the crisis is now. And Russia only gives money on credit, and the IMF will think for a long time and will not. And the enslaving conditions in the form of privatization will help the Russian capitalists to finally undermine the economy of a small country.
    And Sevastopol ... Sorry, gas prices almost doubled over the year. So the mayor's office should take over, all the increased costs of maintaining the communal sphere of the base.
  2. anatoliy
    anatoliy 10 June 2011 10: 47 New
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    And here, in general, the authorities of Sevastopol who "demand to increase the payment for basing the Black Sea Fleet to the treasury of the city" I myself am from Sevastopol, it all comes from Kiev to us a negligible part goes for it all goes into the pockets of villains, this is all complete nonsense of moneybags and Yanyka .
    1. Splin
      Splin 10 June 2011 11: 07 New
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      And you work at the city hall or saw documents to whom money goes into your pocket. This article is provocative, don’t tell me yet, believe the Russian patriotism in it as much as the Presidential statements about Libya. "The opposition will not take the contracts from us well and good, they are the power."
  3. Buy
    Buy 10 June 2011 10: 51 New
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    PS But Tymoshenko needs to be given the Hero of Russia in general, because it brought economic benefits to Russia over the 2,5 years of the contract, as probably all of Chechnya ea after the USSR, where thousands of innocent boys died, on the one hand and on the other hand it is not clear why.
    1. MichaelVl
      MichaelVl 12 June 2011 03: 51 New
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      Den, the second time I ask you, why, constantly speaking about equality in relations between Russia and Ukraine, do you constantly say that Russia should supply fuel to Ukraine at world prices, but at a discount? :) Yes, and when they give this discount, you don’t care a LITTLE! :))) This is no longer equal rights, but a fee for your so-called "equal rights". In your emotional reasoning, there are no answers to the questions that people ask you, nor logic. You say that nobody wants to give loans to Belarus, but Russia agrees, but here you are pouring shit on Russia ... You are like Ukraine itself, rushing around, but you cannot decide who it should be with. Sorry, but from your comments I have such a conclusion :)
  4. Vladimir
    Vladimir 10 June 2011 11: 14 New
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    Den
    So they themselves proposed the terms of the Kharkov agreements. Or didn’t I have truthful information? If they themselves proposed, at that time Ukraine was happy with everything, so it is necessary to fulfill the agreements. Or do you have a different opinion? When asked how to repay the debts, Tymoshenko stated that they would transfer to ownership of a number of assets - the list has been compiled in Ukraine and agreed with the Russian side, joint ventures will be created, in particular for Antonov Design Bureau, Motor Sich and Yuzhmash, uranium projects, modernization of the Khmelnitsky NPP, Nikolaev Shipbuilding of plant and whatnot. The treaty was ratified by the Rada, they drank champagne, they even sentenced that Russia was fucking up again. Time passed. The gas discount was received, and not weak - 30%. And on the part of Ukraine, not a single condition has been fulfilled.
    What would you do, Den?
    Now the situation has changed in an extremely bad way for Ukraine. The first line of the Nord Stream has been launched, the construction of the South has begun. With the launch of the second joint venture branch next year, the transit capacities of the Ukrainian gas transportation system will halve. With the launch of UP- they will cease altogether. The threshold price of gas for the main enterprises of Ukraine - metallurgy and potash-chemical production - 320-350 dollars per thousand cubic meters. All of which is higher - a drop in profitability, costs will exceed revenues, and this is a direct road to bankruptcy. enterprises are the main sources of budgetary filling. Ukraine’s foreign debt is more than 80% of GDP, if not more. Consider yourself the prospect of politicians playing along with local oligarchs, demanding from their proteges to lower the price of gas, so that their margin from sales Tallah has become more and attempts to raise its rating, playing on the dangerous topic of "pro-Western integration", which for Ukraine, as Merkel said, only after the second coming of Christ, and the tedious topic of "pressure from Moscow."
    The situation and consequences will be very difficult, even worse than it is now. Your politicians just need to proceed from what is beneficial to Ukraine-EU or cooperation with Russia. If someone thinks that the EU will not take away your enterprises, then this is a diagnosis. If Russia not only takes them, but also modernizes them, invests money, enters them into their own. economic and industrial system, the West will simply go bankrupt and sell it for scrap. So it was in the Baltic states, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Romania. I do not think that the West will react to Ukraine in any other way. Here, the idea of ​​one’s exclusivity should simply be nailed up or uprooted from the mentality. It won’t work there.
    You have to fight for the price of gas no more than $ 300, i.e. achieve reduction of about 200 dollars out of 500. Almost 50% discount. I’m sure that just like that, for beautiful eyes Russia will not drop this price. It will force them to fulfill those agreements, but on different conditions, and in addition a couple of sheets of A-4 format .I know that for sure.
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 10 June 2011 12: 20 New
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      Not a 30% discount, but a fixed 100 bucks from a thousand cubic meters. And that was good when they cost 300 bucks. With 500 bucks there will be much less sense from them. However, you are right, you signed the agreement, now it’s too late to make complaints, if you want to change the terms of the existing agreements, you need to offer something in return and not run over. Already no one is going to do anything to Christian love.
  5. Escander
    Escander 10 June 2011 12: 19 New
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    In the medium term, either former republics with Russia in any status, or colonies of the West.
    And in Sevastopol - of course, Kiev steers.
    1. Buy
      Buy 10 June 2011 13: 00 New
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      Is it better to be a colony of Russia? 2 years ago I was in Belarus. I really liked the country. But you have to pay for everything. And what Russian (not Western) oligarchs want to do with it now makes us think.
      Even you speak with the politics of chauvinism in relation to other peoples of the former USSR
  6. MichaelVl
    MichaelVl 10 June 2011 12: 57 New
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    In the future, all the same, Russia and Ukraine will be together. Eskander is right. Ukraine now behaves like a capricious bride. Turned away from Russia, and now reaping the benefits. Why is everything done? - in order to be more independent from Russia - and for what the former republics of the USSR do it and by what methods - apparently all the same, the main thing is to do everything in defiance of the Russian Federation. It is necessary to work, to do things systematically, in a row, and not to breed politicking! Then everything will work out and calm down. And the "dependence" on the "evil and terrible" Russia will go away by itself, for the dependence - it is mutual, has always been and always will be!
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    2. dmitri077
      dmitri077 27 January 2012 02: 20 New
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      your wife is the Caucasus! and we, fortunately, do not suffer from pederasty ... amazing rhetoric sounds
  7. Max
    Max 10 June 2011 13: 10 New
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    Many politicians from the party of regions, in truth, are afigels after such an aggressive policy of the Russian Federation. Many said that before Azarov’s trip to Moscow, they were supporters of the TS. Then they realized that Russia was stupidly strangling its neighbors because of jealousy that Ukraine finally decided to integrate into the EU. And the worst thing is that the monarchs don’t even hide it ... The Kremlin does not understand that they will lose in the long run, just as they lost the USSR. After all, it is possible that due to the occupation of a third of the territory of Georgia, as well as the murderous price blackmail of the fraternal republics, the entire civilized world, except perhaps Asia, will simply limit Russia to trade barriers. And as we know, following the example of the USSR, hydrocarbons will not go far. So, as the saying goes, how it comes around, it will respond winked
    1. slan
      slan 10 June 2011 20: 14 New
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      Ukroanaliteg)) China has already been limited? The USSR suffered from restrictions in foreign trade?)) In fact, the most limited is just Ukraine, some prostitutes for export)
      Yes, what a manic idea that everyone eats you, is jealous and what else, and if you cry louder, the rich uncles will regret you and punish bad katsapov, and they will give you gum and lollipop))
      1. Buy
        Buy 10 June 2011 21: 09 New
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        We have at least girls on the world market, and what do you produce. "Oil and gas is the decision from the TOP where to place the deposits. But wouldn’t it be that Russia is essentially economically? The only trump card is a vigorous weapon and without oil dollars it’s would disappear. In Germany, there is nothing but coal, but they live more powerful than ours. But in Russia, whitewash syndrome is still there - we cannot leave it from the age of 45.
        1. slan
          slan 10 June 2011 21: 21 New
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          Proud Ukrainian DEN)))
          Be proud further of your ripe buryaks, crooked mud hats, and weak on painted steppes)) By the way, they are cheaply priced) Better not be proud, but go work for a change as an arbeiter, people even make work from Moldovans.
          1. Buy
            Buy 10 June 2011 22: 01 New
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            But it’s not a thing at all. You did not answer the question. And if you are fighting for women's morality, then go to China. I was there. The entire Far Eastern region of Russia touches and not just clothes ... And the girls of Slavic appearance there are still quite a lot. And then a hut. hut, plague, and what exactly did some good in their own country today. to criticize others. And working at home is superb for me, there is enough money for life, but thank you for the offer.
            1. slan
              slan 10 June 2011 23: 14 New
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              And what I did not answer?) About the Russian Federation or what? Yes, Russia is far from Germany, just as Ukraine is far from Russia, and Modavia is far from Ukraine. This is human population genetics - in Europe, the farther south, the lower the intelligence and welfare. And it is not a matter of natural riches, in fact, Russia itself does not even have coal, Russians subjugated and mastered all the riches, and now it is not an easy task to mine them in Siberia. Well, before the era of hydrocarbons, the so-called Ukraine was always far from Russia, it is enough to compare the Moscow, and dozens of other stone kremlins and the same huts. The same with writing and with everything else. Just as Russia was far from Germany, again you can compare castles, cities, books, weapons .. I’m not a jingoistic patriot and I don’t advise others, I really need to be proud of things, and not that my ancestors were from Sirius.
              1. Buy
                Buy 11 June 2011 00: 20 New
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                I, as a Greek, should be offended. Italians as Romans, too, but Chukhons and finals should be nice. No concept of brain geography. By the way, have you been to Ukraine? I remotely about Norway also do not know how they live there. Yes, and Moldovans are also moral. I am 100 km from the border with them from Odessa. Believe Gaster is not the level of the whole nation but their meager.
                1. slan
                  slan 12 June 2011 00: 00 New
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                  What, seriously?))) You understood what it was about, about the south allegory. But the concentration of inferior is clearly traced, excuse me, I mean the vector from the predominance of European genetics to Central Asian. Everywhere there are smart and fools, we are talking about statistics. In Russia, fools are also in store for a hundred years. I have relatives in Kiev, I have nothing against the Ukrainians as well as against the Russians. It’s just ridiculous when both of them boast do not understand what, and the Ukrainians in their troubles of the neighbors curse in vain. By the way, Russian population genetics is largely represented by immigrants from the territory of the so-called Ukraine and vice versa. What is there to go? ..
      2. Slav
        Slav 11 June 2011 13: 45 New
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        Yeah ... and the Russian outback .. probably hohlushki ... removed at the gas station?
        No need to move on to special cases. In Russia, the capitalists squeeze three sweats from the Russians themselves. The appetites of the oligarchs are becoming stronger ... they do not care who you are ... the main profit ... financial flows .. loot. And you ... humiliate each other ... like cattle ....
        1. slan
          slan 12 June 2011 00: 03 New
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          And did I say something about the high morality of Russians? Here, perhaps the Chechen can be cited as an example, as it would not be regrettable for us.
  8. Splin
    Splin 10 June 2011 13: 12 New
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    Nord Stream is not scary. And the South ... Turkey simply will not give up its Nabuko, and Europe does not want to sit only on the Russian gas needle. And if only in God’s Lord bring me! !, they will finish Gaddafi, then he will not even be interesting to anyone further than Bulgaria.
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 10 June 2011 14: 43 New
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      There are no options with Gaddafi, he will leave in any situation, all bets have been made and no one has put him at all, the Libyans will not have any ideology and mono-ethnicity for them to live under the embargo. There are 2 options: if he extends another month, everyone will get tired of it and create a coalition government, if they reach it then they will create a rebel government, but both will sell hydrocarbons to the same place as before.
      1. Splin
        Splin 10 June 2011 17: 12 New
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        I myself understand perfectly, but in childhood, we believed in Santa Claus, Baba Yaga in general in magic. And now I want to believe such a little bit.
        Gaddafi's corpse is now political, and then real. But Yanukovych, too, in 2005 was considered a discarded card in the deck. So we’ll wait and see. These are Arabs, we will never fully understand them.
        1. Superduck
          Superduck 10 June 2011 18: 51 New
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          In general, you are right when Fedorych merged in 2004, I told everyone that in a year no one would remember him and everyone agreed with me. However, everything that happened with Yushchenko is happening with Yanukovych now, probably, although nobody knows where it will turn.
  9. datur 10 June 2011 13: 40 New
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    Yes, I thought that our ehfekivnye managers and steering -deleted- but no Khokhlyatsky even tighter- and all of them do not care people.
  10. atheist
    atheist 10 June 2011 15: 03 New
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    1) Ukraine is trying to steer something that does not belong to it, since Sevastopol, according to documents on the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine, Sevastopol remains for the RSFSR — that is, for Russia,
    2) we don’t strangle our neighbors, you yourself turned away from us during the collapse of the USSR (Russians get out, get out,) our government did for a long time more discounts than we, ordinary citizens, I would generally decide to take the territory from debtor countries , and not give them loans, they themselves messed up, and repair yourself
    3) Well, they will kill Kadaffi, then what, they still do not have enough oil, there will be other wars, because the United States is trying to eliminate unemployment in such wars
    4) all the same, China and India will soon decide everything
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 10 June 2011 15: 10 New
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      The 1978 Constitution of the Ukrainian SSR indicated that Sevastopol is one of two (along with Kiev) cities of republican subordination of the Ukrainian SSR.
      I don’t know where all this comes from, while the whole country is without exception.
  11. atheist
    atheist 10 June 2011 15: 28 New
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    Sevastopol stood out in an independent region in 1948, and was subordinate to the RSFSR, and even in 1954 they were not violated, and our right is legal, and the fact that Ukrainians scribbled into their constitution, it has no rights, I don’t know where you get it from, at the same time, the whole country is without exception. and we have not given you the rights to Sevastopol, so the fin is for you, not the money
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 10 June 2011 16: 32 New
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      The Constitution of the Ukrainian SSR of 78 is the last official document of the USSR that regulates its status; there were no others. Since in the constitution of the RSFSR and other union republics Sevastopol was no longer included as an object of administrative subordination, I think there’s nothing to talk about.
      By your logic, both Greeks and Ottomans can claim it, who can suddenly say, you know, the Kuchuk-Kainardzhi agreement was somehow illegal, because all other changes in the status of Crimea are subject to revision. It was necessary to immediately apply to the Constitutional Court of the USSR, and now to deny the obvious it is not from a great mind, but rather the opposite.
  12. Partyzan
    Partyzan 10 June 2011 16: 13 New
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    "a catastrophic fall in ratings of V. Yanukovych."
    "The main reasons for this: Yanukovych’s failure to fulfill his election promises, the image of a" strong business executive "created by him, the image of the main defender of the rights of the Russian population, a supporter of rapprochement with Russia, the termination of the old Russophobic course" hahaha)))))))))))))))

    Cool humor. For the main reasons, it’s not even a stretch.
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 10 June 2011 16: 33 New
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      What nonsense, the TV said that these - these mean.
  13. Buy
    Buy 10 June 2011 16: 57 New
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    News "RTR - the main mouthpiece of truth!
    1. PSih2097 10 June 2011 21: 14 New
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      More often see Zomboyaschik, Euronews will also become one ...
  14. atheist
    atheist 10 June 2011 17: 26 New
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    that’s exactly what the decree of the USSR, and not the USSR, if you don’t know the story, shut up, there are no Ottomans for a long time, and there wasn’t any in the time of the Greeks, but to go to the court of the USSR when? 30 years before birth, it’s stupid
    1. Buy
      Buy 10 June 2011 17: 37 New
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      And the Japanese consider the northern Kuril Islands their own. You give them back, I think FIG. If it were like you say, then in '92 nobody would have been a rip-off due to Sevastopol from the Ukrainian authorities. And everything else is modern propaganda. Work with life at home, and then teach others!
    2. Superduck
      Superduck 10 June 2011 19: 15 New
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      You are a boor, so talk to yourself, dog.
  15. atheist
    atheist 10 June 2011 18: 45 New
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    but I don’t teach you, you cannot keep the territory on the border with Romania, the struggle for the islands is not in your favor
    1. Splin
      Splin 10 June 2011 21: 19 New
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      It was no one could ask. Not islands - but a piece of the sea sputtered. It was a great shame. But under Yushchenko, the authorities gave anything to the West. And under Yanukovych why gas is so expensive. Yes, because he is not just loyal demarcation, he does not give a gram of assets to strategic enterprises either to Russia or even to the West!
  16. slan
    slan 10 June 2011 20: 37 New
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    The Ukrainian authorities are admirable for the persistence with which, regardless of political coloring, they demand free energy resources for their proud people. But the Katsapov’s government is anti-people — at least once they raised the question of lowering prices, say, on Intel and AMD processors, unreasonably overpriced by American monopolists, or here the Japanese sell their cars to us outrageously expensive! But the Russian authorities are selling silently about the aspirations of the common Russian people. And this kind of people, frankly speaking, is smallish, not proud at all, dutifully as if buying slaves, instead of proudly demanding blockade Leningrad from the damned Germans on the forums of the damned Germans Mercedes and Audi for a quarter of the price.
    1. Ahmet
      Ahmet 10 June 2011 22: 59 New
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      All that does not kill us will make us stronger! Even if Russia makes a price of $ 1000 per thousand cubic meters, no one will whine. In response, Ukraine needs:
      1. Hang a 5-time lease for the Black Sea Fleet and in 2017 show where Russia is located
      2. Place on its territory a radar and a missile defense position area of ​​the United States
      3. Join NATO
      4. Prohibit the activities of the Moscow Orthodox Church on its territory
      5. Introduce a visa regime with the Russian Federation
      6. Break contracts with Rosatom for completion of the units at the Khmelnitsky and Rivne NPPs and give them to Westinghouse.
      7. To stop pumping (in winter) gas through its territory and not make any concessions until the agreement is revised.
      1. Aucraig
        Aucraig 11 June 2011 00: 39 New
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        1) You can increase the lease for the Black Sea Fleet by 5 times only after 2017, but with a gas price of 1000 bucks, I'm afraid by this time you will stretch your legs. With a guarantee.
        2) Radar is a cool target for Russian tactical nuclear weapons. (I think Chernobyl alone is not enough for you ...) To the extreme - for the Iskanders.
        3) Well degenerate! Merkel clearly said - only through her corpse! Yes, and Biden and Obama decided to play the reboot. So - not fate!
        4) All Ukrainians-deport the fuck from Russia. We can do without guest workers.
        5) And not only visa. Also close customs for Khokhlyatsk metal products and agricultural products.
        6) And that is right! I agree. When there are a lot of grandmas (maybe share it?), It is better to buy at exorbitant prices, but from Westinghouse! A purely Ukrainian trait - in spite of my grandmother frostbite my ears ...
        7) What's so weak? Gas pumping must be stopped. I agree. It's true. And not only in winter, but in general. And sell the pipes for scrap! And heal happy, independent and not fallow. As much as half a year. And then Ukraine will simply cease to exist. Amen!
        1. Buy
          Buy 11 June 2011 01: 08 New
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          I like how Russian respondents reason. I’m sitting at home after the accident, but did you move further away from the computer than the store? I had to go to different places and many countries at work. I agree to drive the Gaster back to Ukraine, otherwise they will go the easy way. There you can bomb more money. Let them work at home, but no, they will leave for Europe. Here is an example that closed the Khartsyzk pipes limit, so oil companies complain about their native metal products. Russia is somewhat reminiscent of Libya there, too, the Gaster did the dirty work. Now there is a war, they fled and collapse in the country, they do not know how to do basic work.
          1. Aucraig
            Aucraig 11 June 2011 01: 52 New
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            1) Yes, I myself traveled the whole world. But I live in general in Australia. So head ...
            2) "I agree to drive the Gaster back to Ukraine, otherwise they will go the easy way. You can bomb more money there. Let them work at home, but no, they will leave for Europe." What is this said? Moreover, your guest workers are ready to work anywhere, even in Russia, even in Europe, but not at home, because a) there is no work, b) if there is, they pay a penny. Can't you feed your family? So I already know that.
            3) Russia does not resemble Libya by anything, and will not resemble it. Libya is kicked by everyone who is not lazy. And Russia, as history testifies, can answer in such a way that it does not seem enough.
            Well, lastly. I am not a Russian respondent. I am a crest. Current literate. I, unlike some, understand common truths. INDEPENDENT can only be a country such as, for example, Russia. The experience of being behind the iron curtain is huge. And the availability of energy resources, the world's first fresh water reserves (which in the near future will cost more than oil), other natural resources, the world's third gold and foreign exchange reserve - only reinforce this independence. The rest of the countries have to either unite or fall under larger ones. Like Europe, for example. There is no third. Otherwise, they will destroy it. Like Serbia. Or they will kick. Like Libya. And I understand perfectly well that Ukraine has only two ways - or to lie under Europe, for no reason, for an FTZ, i.e. - In general, "for free", and it will be a whore, or lie down for money. From Russia. For gas. And it will be prostitution. But, if you choose, it’s better for the money. What can Europe offer? Specifically? Can you tell In monetary terms? Here Putin ONLY ON GAS offers savings of 6 billion dollars a year. And plus the huge Russian market for almost all (including lard), Ukrainian goods? And what does Europe offer? Just specifically come on, in numbers? Did you count Or maybe someone else counted? No? It’s strange. And I will say what Europe offers. Firstly, the destruction of competitors. Buying up the most valuable assets. As was the case in Poland, the Czech Republic, and Bulgaria. And the Baltic states? Where is the WEF, where is the RAF? Well, you can continue for a long time. So I do not belong to those freaks who - at least in the loop, but just not with the Muscovite. I understand that in today's real, not fictional world, you can only survive together. Separately - Khan.
            1. Buy
              Buy 11 June 2011 07: 33 New
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              From Australia it’s good to talk about the future of the country. In this kitchen you have to cook to understand all the salt. Suppose I don’t teach Russians how to live, although I also have my own subjective opinion, and not only in Moscow, but often in the Belgorod and Kursk regions, where life is completely different. And you can work everywhere and earn money, also believe a person who has lived a long time from paycheck to paycheck, and she was darling once 3-4 months. Only brains need to be played. Just hard-working hands in life will not always help. And the boxer in the ring also needs brains ..
              1. Aucraig
                Aucraig 11 June 2011 11: 56 New
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                From Australia it is good to reason for the reason that my view is an independent view. "From the side." And in Kiev and Vinnitsa, my closest relatives live, with whom I visit quite often. And I understand the whole “salt” better than you. I’m talking about the general, globally, and you - from the tail - about the salary. So do not la la! And I, too, neither the Russians nor the Ukrainians teach how to live. I just ask questions and express my opinion. But tell me why it so happens that in the world today everyone is trying to unite. States unite, in extreme countries - create alliances, large and small companies merge (unite), people try to stick together ... this is nature. Look at the same European Union, NATO. The wolf alone, does not survive outside the pack, however, like an ant, like a bee. And only Ukraine wants to be "independent". This is utopia. "Independence", like democracy in its purest form, does not exist. Believe me. Someone I met her neither in the states nor in Australia. These are fairy tales for demented children. Therefore, whatever one may say, they will have to unite anyway, sooner or later. There can only be one question: with whom? With Europe, behind the FTZ, glass beads and pats on the shoulder, or with Russia, with which the economy has been integrated since the Union, the enterprises are tied to each other, the mentality is the same, gas and oil at domestic prices, a huge Russian market ... And then, what Russia is doing at the moment is crushing at the price of gas, it’s just “peace enforcement”. It’s like 2 brothers, one of whom “teaches with rods” the other, unreasonable. Brains in place through the ass drives. So you're right. And the boxer in the ring also needs brains. Only you, unfortunately, do not have enough of your brains, and you are weak for the ring.
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                  Ahmet 11 June 2011 13: 10 New
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                  It can be seen that you are a "crest". A mixture of katsap, Ukrainian and zhida. If you were a Ukrainian, you would not have been sentenced, but loved and respected your homeland, your people. And you're like a cheap prostitute - whoever pays the most goes to that. Today is Australia, tomorrow is Canada, etc. One word - cheap stuff. Always despised such people. It’s not worthy of respect
                  1. Slav
                    Slav 11 June 2011 14: 01 New
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                    What are you crazy about ... And those are good and others. Russia cannot protect the Russian-speaking population in the North Caucasus. Poverty, lack of rights, unemployment flourish there. There is only talk on the box, corruption is the worst. Local anchovies do not count Slavs as people. The authorities only play along with them.
                    And you ... you don’t say everything ... pull each other for forelocks ... and someone buys everything for federal money ...
                  2. Aucraig
                    Aucraig 11 June 2011 14: 15 New
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                    Precisely because I love and respect my Motherland, I wish her unification with Russia. And if you focus on such a cattle like you, then Ukraine will not last long. And about Australia ... I am a former officer. You nerd, you know, in what condition are the armed forces independent? Everything that is possible is destroyed, and even a little more. I can’t calmly look at how the army is purposefully and systematically destroyed. Destroyed what was created by generations. Destroyed by a cattle like you, only in power. I can’t prevent this either. Therefore, I just decided to at least not take part in this. The heart is bleeding. And living in Australia, I somehow do not see it. Therefore, I live here. And cheap is you. The purpose of your life is to give a shit to Russia. In any way. And how sideways this will affect Ukraine, you do not care at all. Just to give a shit, and there - even though the grass does not grow. The fact that in the best case scenario Ukraine will simply fall into 2 parts, and at worst it will cease to exist at all, such trifles somehow do not bother you. You, the degenerate are offered 6 billion savings only on gas, plus direct profit from the vehicle in the amount of 8 to 10 billion per year. With this money you can raise the economy, industry, you can restore the army, but no, not from Muscovites. Better FTA with the EU. You can even hang out there beautifully, but the economy is the last thing. Truth? Answer specifically, what will Europe give you? Can not? You do not know, or there is nothing to think? You are not even biomass. So ..... a waste product .....
                    1. Ahmet
                      Ahmet 11 June 2011 14: 25 New
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                      Yes you are not an officer but a ghoul. Where did you serve there? Probably an ensign, he stole stew and soap from soldiers! Litter Katsap. Such freaks as you need to be sterilized so that offspring like you would not be given. Schmuck Australian. And about the army - I served in it for 26 years. And I know better than yours about the state of affairs. So, this is largely due to the thieving, greedy, spineless descendants of Judah, who are ready to sell their native mother for a warm place.
                      1. Aucraig
                        Aucraig 11 June 2011 14: 48 New
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                        Yes. They taught you to throw shit. But to think - no. I cannot answer a specific question. Lt. Col. I, not ensign. And I repeat again. For -Removed-. He left just in order not to be involved in this brawl. And you, you see, participated actively. Regarding theft and greed - do not judge by yourself. Anyway, with degenerates, whose brains have less than a teaspoon, it makes no sense to talk. Only to the wall. As pests, as enemies of the people.
                      2. Ahmet
                        Ahmet 11 June 2011 15: 15 New
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                        If you have gone from hopelessness - this is one thing. If the pursuit of the long Australian dollar is completely different. But not respecting the land where you were born, where your ancestors rest, is the height of filth. You say I am involved in the Deriban - yes, in addition to 6 sores and long service, I have nothing. Not even a car. But I love this country, this people, this land. Here I was born, my relatives lived here. My great-grandfather, grandfather and father are buried in this land. And they will bury me in her. And who will you need without your homeland?
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                        Buy 11 June 2011 18: 13 New
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                        Believe me, probably here most of the officers wore stars. And you are comrade, or rather, Mr. Lieutenant Colonel, (what kind of comrade are you to me) you argue as an officer of the Soviet Army. Believe the Russian army, that government is not a glorious heroic past. My ancestor back in the 1878 war was yes, and the rest of the generations after him were officers and commanders (in the Red Army). And it pains me to see what has become of the great mighty, but life is life. And 6 billion a year is just a sweet carrot, but it can go sideways.
                        PS I also quit to survive, but for some reason I stayed on my native land.
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                    Captain 11 June 2011 15: 14 New
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                    What relation do you GEORGE have in general to Ukraine? rather to PARASH that you talk about mythical millions. your heart is bleeding because you are a GEORGE, and you have nothing to do with your homeland; it’s from inside, but it still bites you.
                    But Ukraine really will not be alone, but in NATO and in the EU where the majority of Slavic peoples are already. And Parasha is apparently bent herself in her anger herself creating only enemies around herself. because how to squeeze neighbors and make friends, like you like, grief-rusty racists are not capable of
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                      Ahmet 11 June 2011 15: 20 New
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                      Captain Is this my comment?
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                      Aucraig 11 June 2011 15: 46 New
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                      This is not a compliment to you, but to me. Another shit. Without brains, but with a huge inferiority complex. Even getting into a discussion is boring ...
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                      Captain 11 June 2011 16: 03 New
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                      Attempts to pretend to be super-complete are just your unreasonable show-offs.
                      I repeat once again if the first time does not reach. You are nobody for Ukraine, and your name is nothing. So lie exactly on your Australian belly, and do not bother to discuss questions to which you have not had any relation for a long time. It really is no longer your business!
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              slan 12 June 2011 00: 14 New
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              Thoroughbred Ukrainian))) And it’s like, small, crooked and black, or vice versa, what are they descendants of the Atlanteans?))
  • Michael
    Michael 11 June 2011 15: 13 New
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    And what have you lost in this showdown. There are no flocks here, so go to the mountains for fresh air and ...
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    Ahmet,
    So say - lick the ass of the United States, and then painted on the points ...
  • mitrich
    mitrich 11 June 2011 02: 00 New
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    AuCraig,
    come back from Australia to Russia. Smart people like you really need us. For example, to Yekaterinburg. In summer, he looks no worse than Sydney.
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      Aucraig 11 June 2011 02: 22 New
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      I don't like Sydney. On the road, if you missed, then you will not turn around. Yes, and the "chock" a lot. Chinas, Indians, etc., etc. And I'm a racist. Therefore, I live in Melbourne. And Eburg is a good city.
  • Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 11 June 2011 11: 04 New
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    Neither Belarus nor Ukraine is needed by the West, together it is about 55-60 million people whom they still consider "Russian", and the number of which they "optimize" for the needs of the West.
  • mitrich
    mitrich 11 June 2011 13: 37 New
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    AHMET,
    maybe so? In order for a Ukrainian to understand the truth, do you have to live far from your homeland? I've talked with many Ukrainians, and constantly living in Russia, and with the "seasonal", and they all reasoned like AuCraig. Caught, of course, especially drunk, but basically all because of the history, the "famine" there, Konovalets, Bandera, and strictly about the economy. Only with Russia. There was no disagreement in this.
    1. Ahmet
      Ahmet 11 June 2011 14: 08 New
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      Those who constantly live in Russia are Ukrainians. They are cunning, hypocritical, they say what the interlocutor wants (they keep the truth in mind, remembering the proverb: my tongue is my enemy). In a word - opportunists. I do not consider them for Ukrainians - a torn piece. Real Ukrainians are patriots, and they see themselves not at all with Russia. It will take 15-20 years, the fart will die of the soviet mentality. Then you will see who the Ukrainians are!
      1. Aucraig
        Aucraig 11 June 2011 15: 17 New
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        Morkva on the city
        At the bjola garden.
        Toad in the swamps
        Krila has blossomed.

        Want to fly
        Quietly even “Kwa!”
        Ale to the sky
        Not yes Moscow.

        Know, know the tricks
        Swear Muscovites
        Those who want to repeat
        Toads are kings.

        Schok having thrown krill,
        Mov greenery ptah
        Tsiliy day soared b
        Toad in the sky.

        What could I have done
        Get to the Zero,
        Having adjusted Literati
        Toad is a green god.

        There is a trim
        Get heavier to the grass.
        You know the toad for sure -
        That is the hand of Moscow.

        Fingers in it,
        They took the yak.
        I trim for an egg
        Muscovite toad ...

        It seems that you don’t need it.
        Seem: “Ti online.”
        Ale look into the sky
        Toad is all one.

        I want to pass
        Qi
        Dosi
        Toad Russian psi.

        Godi, damn the bitch,
        Gold Moscow
        Toad hasn’t died yet
        Toad is still alive.

        Toad Porin
        To the blue,
        Bo nemaє nini
        More beautiful than toads


        http://forum.fraza.ua/read.php?1,63351,63351
  • Slav
    Slav 11 June 2011 13: 58 New
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    What are you crazy about ... And those are good and others. Russia cannot protect the Russian-speaking population in the North Caucasus. Poverty, lack of rights, unemployment flourish there. There is only talk on the box, corruption is the worst. Local anchovies do not count Slavs as people. The authorities only play along with them.
    And you ... you don’t say everything ... pull each other for forelocks ... and someone buys everything for federal money ...
  • mitrich
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    AHMET,
    I didn’t want to bother you anymore, but 2 moments were warning me. Firstly, an excellent command of the Russian language and writing, which is uncharacteristic for modern Ukrainians, 20 years after the collapse of the USSR.
    Secondly, your words about 26 years of military service. If so, then even as of 2011, if you continue to serve, you began to comprehend army science in 1985, still in the Invincible and Legendary. This means that you are not a boy, but an adult husband far beyond 40.
    For Ukrainians of your age, who served side by side with Russians and wore shoulder straps, your cave nationalism is simply NONSENS.
    In this regard, the question: who are you actually?
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      Aucraig 11 June 2011 15: 05 New
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      Ahmet he. Purely Ukrainian name. Almost Mykola.
      1. Michael
        Michael 11 June 2011 15: 21 New
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        fat troll from the Caucasus mountains.
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      Buy 11 June 2011 18: 31 New
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      And I speak 4 languages ​​fluently, unless that’s the point. AuCraig also speaks perfect English. mitrich my native language is russian and my child is teaching in a russian language school. I began to study in 92- after the collapse, and if the conversation was about the Soviet Army or equal unity, then I would not say a word. Here, not nationalism, but faith in one's innocence.
      1. Ahmet
        Ahmet 11 June 2011 18: 46 New
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        I fully support. Friendship can never be achieved by building your relationship with an opponent as a vassal and overlord relationship. Friendship is first and foremost equality.
      2. Aucraig
        Aucraig 11 June 2011 19: 02 New
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        Den, and French is also fluent. And now about the belief in his innocence. After all, should it be at least something backed up? Or not? Honestly. Regarding the equal association. What you propose is an “equal union,” that would be ideal. But in life this does not happen, be realistic! Consider an example. Putin proposed the unification of Gazprom with Naftogaz. Azarov said only equitable! This is how you imagine it in practice? Imagine (exaggerated, but close to the topic): you are a respectable businessman with a huge company, with a turnover of billions of dollars. Another businessman arrives at you in Zaporozhets, who has a stall for inflating balloons, and says: “Listen, bro, let's unite our business. 50 to 50. On an equal footing. This is absolutely normal, and I believe in my rightness.” What do you tell him? But honestly, what will you tell him? Answer please! Only without throwing shit and without cheap nationalism. Otherwise, there is no point in the dialogue.
        And about 6 billion .... Yes, Putin offers them. And tell me at least one case when he did not keep his promise. Call it real! And at the same time, please remind me, but what did the European Union promise for an FTA? The same European Union, half of whose countries are almost bankrupt, and are in a pre-default state, the same European Union, which is already fit to save. That's how much I remember - nothing! Maybe you have other information? Share it! You are welcome!
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          Buy 11 June 2011 19: 44 New
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          By the way, here I have never once used an obscene and insulting expression. And indeed, after 12 years in the army, I have never used a mate in a conversation.
          Now to the question. Not a merger but a joint venture. The assets of the pipe, or rather part of them, were offered to be exchanged for the field, even if it was not developed. This is an equal association. The same or similar options for the aircraft industry and shipbuilding and nuclear industry. They are also hindered by the disagreement of Russia. And of course, expensive gas reduces the purchasing power of Ukraine and cheapens its gas transportation system. Now 2 "watermelon" dollars per year for the Kharkov agreements, they are virtual. Yes, we are saving them, but if Tymoshenko had not voluntarily given them away, then there would have been no problem. And Europe. She will just pay real money. And that’s not the point of this union, it’s more likely that Russia's political influence is not economic, you who read not only the Russian, but the world press do not know.
          1. Aucraig
            Aucraig 11 June 2011 20: 23 New
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            Tymoshenko did not "give" them. It was just at that moment that the transit rate was low for Russia. So Tymoshenko suggested - let’s make the rate for transit at European prices, and ..... I agree that there should be a European price for gas. At that time it was really profitable. But! From that moment to today, world gas prices have risen 2 (!) Times !!! And the transit rate has not changed! And .... it has become unprofitable! But, as Putin said, such is the market situation! Bad luck! Who knew! It so happened. But about the fact that Europe will pay real money - do not tell. Well, honestly - do not tell. This is when it happened, and, most importantly - where and with whom was it? I already asked the question - where is the RAF, where is the WEF, where is Ingalina? Tell me where? Please tell me where? Why are they competing? As for Russia. I fully agree that for Russia, unification is much more important politically than economically. In economic Russia will live without Ukraine. No misery. But politically .... yes, for Russia this is important. Well, so what? Russia has its own interests, Ukraine has its own. So, with this association, Ukraine can solve its problems, and Russia - its own. It is mutually beneficial.
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              Buy 11 June 2011 20: 49 New
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              Do not confuse the contracts of August 2005 and January 2009. I will not detail the latter. but believe me there is complete unprofessionalism and gagging of Yulka. Both Russia and Ukraine will be able to live independently economically integrating into the global economy. Hydrocarbons are passing and disaggregation is already underway. Slowly but coming. Therefore, this article is.
              1. Aucraig
                Aucraig 11 June 2011 21: 14 New
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                And I don’t confuse. In the agreement on the Black Sea Fleet it was clearly stated that Ukraine receives a discount of 30%, but !!!! not exceeding 100 bucks. In this vein, she acts. Since that time, the cost of gas has risen by 2 times, but at the same time, Russia will not increase the discount in excess of 100 bucks. Yes, suppose it’s even (just suppose) just Yulka’s gagging. So what does that change? Again, Moscow is to blame, or is it still Julia? And independently, as I have already shown, Russia can live, but not Ukraine. Well, how can Ukraine live independently? Come on specifically. Without hydrocarbons and without a market? Enlighten ... Maybe I don’t know what? Hydrocarbons, this is passing. I agree. The question is how much is passing, and when is passing? Tomorrow? Day after tomorrow? By the time hydrocarbons run out, I can only guess where Ukraine will be, being FULLY INDEPENDENT. Independent in the full sense of the word, independent of nothing. And there will be degassification. That's for sure. Especially when the South Stream is built. When Severny was just thinking, Ukraine was sure that they would take her to the show-off. So it will be with the South. And then “degassification” will come for Ukraine.
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                  Buy 11 June 2011 21: 56 New
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                  May they not build the South Stream. Do not give Europe money. Nor agricultural is Bulgaria. And the Nord Stream is half loaded. This way is more expensive. Italy is so busy in Libya. Having overthrown Gaddafi, they will ensure full energy independence from Russia. And about the destruction of the monopoly of gas supplies to Ukraine by the way the largest consumer), so there is already a contract with Azerbaijan on the supply of 10 billion cubic meters of liquefied gas is 14 billion ordinary. To build here near Odessa and storage. Yes, the question is not one month, but the year is real. We also had (now hardly) contracts with Libya. The Odessa-Brody oil pipeline in obverse mode drives Venezuelan oil, while then to Belarus then to Ukraine. Oil will also go further from Iserbadzhan. I told you, you have to cook in this kitchen.
                  PS And the Kharkov agreement of 2010 was a small way out of the decisions of 2009, when it was necessary to save the economy. There were a lot of debts and the treasury after Yulia was empty, she even distributed environmental money for eating. Our gold and foreign exchange fund decreased from 2005 to 2009 inclusively by 2.5 times. Why is the hryvnia so collapsed by 35 percent. XC is not a gas contract
                  So slowly but degassing is on.
                  1. Aucraig
                    Aucraig 11 June 2011 22: 37 New
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                    Well Den, well, somehow it’s not even serious .... They won’t build the South Stream? That's what they used to say about the North. And what does European money have to do with it? Northern also built for their own. And if you are hinting about a billion from Germany, it’s not money. This is the BILLION GUARANTEE. And that’s it. And then for these simply guarantees of Schroeder mixed with shit. And Nord Stream, at the moment, you will laugh, Den, but it is not loaded at all. Even halfway. He will only be surrendered by the end of this year. And about the "more expensive", well, that's how to look. Reputational losses from stopping gas pumping after scandals with Ukraine are more expensive. About Libya. Again, holy naivety. At that time, when the states began to trick Iraq, they agreed with the new puppet government to work with oil. Conclined PSAs. Production sharing agreement. If you do not know what it is - http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B5% D0% BD% D0

                    %B8%D0%B5_%D0%BE_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D

                    0% B4% D1% 83% D0% BA% D1% 86% D0% B8% D0% B8 In short, this is bondage. So here. Time passed, the puppet government feared, became bolder, and said to the Americans: but to hell to you all over the face, not the PSA. So not everything is so simple here. And Italy understands this. There are several other interests. Well, as for the Ukraine-hydrocarbon bundle, then read it - http://www.supermoney.in.ua/blog/commodities/14.html There and about your Libya. Anyway .... you open your eyes so that I can’t argue with you in vain. This is a Ukrainian site.
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                      Buy 11 June 2011 22: 55 New
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                      Under the contracts - half the capacity. Yes, he hasn’t pumped gas yet. And in the Black Sea they are still building Nabucco. This is the South. There Turkey will never give consent to laying a pipe. Libya is not a distant and wild Iraq - it is just a small sea. There are other conditions.
                      1. Aucraig
                        Aucraig 11 June 2011 23: 20 New
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                        Den, the further you go, the more you hit me. This is not even funny. What kind of Black Sea is this and what kind of Nabucco are they building? And can you find out who is building? And since when? Have you already found gas suppliers? And even signed a contract? I, apparently, missed something. Or skis do not go ... Turkey will not give consent? They have already agreed to exploration of the shelf. And the rest - just bargain. This is their national trait. They are vitally interested in this thread. With this valve, they themselves want to take Europe for eggs in revenge for the fact that Europe does not let Turkey into the EU. Eh, Den, you are far from this policy. You don’t understand elementary things. No offense.
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                        Buy 11 June 2011 23: 31 New
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                        The conversation has already become pointless, because we have already entered real-time analytics and forecasting. Yes, this is my path, but now it is not a subject of controversy and evidence. By the way, Mr. Lt. Colonel, do you ever sleep. If I am not mistaken on the west coast of Australia is now 5 or 6 in the morning?
                      3. Aucraig
                        Aucraig 11 June 2011 23: 50 New
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                        No analytics and forecasting. Only realities. I communicate with Kiev. With relatives. On the east coast - 6 in the morning.
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                        Buy 12 June 2011 07: 53 New
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                        I also believe that our football team will win 5 minutes before the end of the match, although the score 5-0 is not in our favor. Communication with Kiev from Melbourne is a good thing. It reminds me of how my wife proved three years ago that Chinese cars were bullshit, because she talked with friends, relatives and read forums. I didn’t argue with her and I bought her CrossEstar because I looked at him as an expert and did not orient myself according to rumors. For three years she didn’t know where even THAT pass - I drove the car for inspection. Yes, and recently he saved our lives when Land Cruizer drove into a standing car from the side of the red signal of a stethoscope. Pillows worked clearly and I was lucky as the driver then. Therefore, I can write now. One must not only believe, as he wrote earlier, but also know the subject of conversation well.
                      5. Aucraig
                        Aucraig 12 June 2011 12: 56 New
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                        You're partly right, Den. “One must not only believe, as he wrote earlier, but also know the subject of conversation well.” But the whole question is that you only believe (and this is good), but the subject of conversation, sorry, you know poorly.
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                        Buy 12 June 2011 13: 39 New
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                        Okay, I don’t know, you know better in Melbourne (if only your acquaintances are sitting at the helm of the contract). I’m working in the field of analytics, I’ve never made a mistake for the most part (which is why I have a high salary) The argument with you is pointless and is not something liquid for me. Perhaps you are right, I agree only because an ordinary person will never turn water into wine and prove to another person through the "seven seas" whether life and future in Ukraine are a zero option. We assume that I'm wrong.
                        PS It should be apparently forbidden and his wife to sit in such forums. They suck out the brain great, not bringing any benefit.
                      7. Aucraig
                        Aucraig 12 June 2011 14: 06 New
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                        Den, I will never believe that a good analyst can say this phrase: "I also believe that our football team will win 5 minutes before the end of the match, although a score of 5-0 is not in our favor." Anyone, but not an analyst. A good analyst, long before the start of the match, will calculate the possible result of the match, having previously “raised” it and having studied the entire history of victories and defeats of the two teams from the day they were formed. A true analyst in his judgment is not guided by "faith", but by sober and cold calculation. Without any emotion. A true analyst generally does not use the phrase "I believe" in his vocabulary. And if emotions appear, then you are no longer an analyst. It is a fact! So, either you are not an analyst, or you’ve just been lucky all this time, or you’re getting paid in vain.
                      8. Buy
                        Buy 12 June 2011 14: 47 New
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                        Learn to distinguish sarcasm from the true text. By the way, I hate it, I still have football from college. There is faith, there is hope, but the truth is there is a sober calculation. So I built all my words only on it. But in RUSSIAN, and all these Slavs speak and think this language, and not nationality, emotions also decide a lot more. We are not Germans. Read all these comments written by these people. And I spoke about them about their faith and yours in particular. And it’s just that I can’t carry it for 7 years; I don’t have the Lucky cliche.
                        Actually this is my last review in this thread. Good luck to all.
  • MichaelVl
    MichaelVl 12 June 2011 03: 01 New
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    AuCraig, you understand the logic of Dena and the rest of the guys with similar views - they speak of an equal alliance, but constantly with the caveat that Russia should give them fuel prices below world :) You’ve already given 10 examples about businessmen, "etc., and etc., and they are all on emotions. What is sober dialogue? Just squeals and squeaks :)
  • MichaelVl
    MichaelVl 12 June 2011 02: 52 New
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    Why are you guys from Ukraine, all so offended? :) What does Mother Russia constantly offend you with? Isn’t it because your life has so nicely “settled down” that you are rushing around and you are looking for an EU, and you have pushed your skis to NATO ... It’s not working for you, of course. How much can you hysteria? And then, you constantly talk about independence, and immediately think about where to enter :)))) It's ridiculous :) If you have chosen an independent development path, don’t enter any NATO or EU :) Enter, by the way, and don’t It turns out that nobody needs you there. You yourself do not need this; blackmail is all political in order to annoy Russia. Lose time, that's all.
  • mitrich
    mitrich 11 June 2011 18: 58 New
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    And who when Ukrainians in Russia denied equality? I already wrote that the history of the USSR is half Ukrainian, how many leaders of the state were from Ukraine. Who humiliated Ukraine? I remember my teacher at school (Ukrainian) - he was fluent in Russian and mov (and no one bothered him to own mov). And this is in the Urals. Wasn’t this an equal relationship?
    It was just that the once united state collapsed, each one began on its own, and you began to blame us Russians for your troubles. Although we are one people with you - not Great Russians, not Little Russians, but just Russians, from the word Rus. These shitty Poles confuse you all the time. And you hate your bros.
    1. Ahmet
      Ahmet 11 June 2011 19: 10 New
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      Unlike the Russians, the Poles do not impose their orders and conditions on us. Do not pretend to Neftegaz, gas transmission system, large enterprises, territory. They do not teach us how to live and with whom to be friends. And you, the Russians, remind me of gypsies (to fool, lure, to appropriate someone else's). Let 1 Gypsy enter the house, in a day he will bring the whole camp and will survive you from his own home. This is how Russia behaves. Therefore, they all hate you - you are trying to teach everyone how to live.
      1. Aucraig
        Aucraig 11 June 2011 19: 44 New
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        Ahmet, are the Poles not imposing conditions? Have you thought well? This is the first. And secondly - now the European Union itself imposes conditions on the Poles themselves. So it was, it is and it will be so. Let's be honest ... Russia is really imposing its conditions. It's stupid to deny it, and I'm not going to do it. At this particular moment, Ukraine is at a crossroads, because Both the EU and Russia have set their terms tightly. There are only 3 options.
        1) Send them all tries. But this is not real, and completely ruled out.
        2) It agrees with the TERMS DIED by the European Union. You can, of course, but you need to figure out what it will give. I ask again - who considered this? Can you tell me? Joining for glass beads ... somehow I do not want to.
        3) CU with Russia. And here everything is precisely indicated: what, when and for how much. Or am I wrong? Refute. Just come on without shit. So everyone dictates their conditions. And the EU, and the USA, and Russia. It was, it is, and it always will be. The only question is what conditions to agree to. And about the fact that no one claims to Naftogaz and other enterprises ..... do not make me laugh! Yulka Kraska, a long braid, when she was in her time, was dangling to Europe to agree on the modernization of the gas transportation system. I went for the dough. There they explained to her: we’ll upgrade the system for your grandmas ... but! You will wrap and pack us 50% of the system for this. And about other enterprises ..... Mittal has bought up part of Ukrainian metallurgy for a couple of years, and it’s not buzzing! Or isn’t it? About the Chinese generally sad silent.
    2. Buy
      Buy 11 June 2011 19: 11 New
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      I already wrote before the USSR and modern Russia are two big differences. Unfortunately, everyone dictates from the position of the strongest and even the United States by the way. Look at Belorussia and it will become clear that modern Russian (non-Russian) businessmen just want to chop off its tidbit enterprises. There is no brotherly love here for a long time, you should not hide behind it.
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        Escander 11 June 2011 19: 33 New
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        Oh well. Chop off non-Russians. Does that make it easier for you?
        Akhmet-Ukrainians have Russian gypsy camp. And where is the grass from?
        1. Ahmet
          Ahmet 11 June 2011 19: 35 New
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          Here is the true face and essence of the new Russia: http: //tsn.ua/analitika/nash-susid-gazprom.html
      2. Aucraig
        Aucraig 11 June 2011 19: 54 New
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        You are right, Den. And this is sad. Including about the "Russian" businessmen .... Jews ... But the recognition of this fact does not change the essence of the matter. So what to do? Will you shoot them tomorrow? No. There you go. And brotherly love is not here. Only a sober, cold calculation. This is what we must proceed from. Choose the best option for yourself. Just don’t think that Europe is a panacea for all ills, that Ukraine will be welcomed there with open arms and that they will lick the ass to the blood. This will not be! Here is someone who, but Europe will strip Ukraine to the skin - that's for sure! The story with numerous examples is a confirmation of this.
        1. Buy
          Buy 11 June 2011 20: 08 New
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          No one is looking for a panacea, and Europe will not undress Ukraine. Therefore, they are afraid of us there and want to limit quotas. I was there. In addition to quotas and euronorms, they have no leverage to deter. The Baltic states came there in the 90s when my salary was $ 40. Yes, there they took a cheaper one. I didn’t fight in Latvia then, but I had all the home appliances from there. And 2 years ago I saw there- NOTHING. In fact, cheap rest of well-fed Europe at its backyard.
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            Aucraig 11 June 2011 21: 32 New
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            "And 2 years ago I saw there- NOTHING. In fact, a cheap vacation from a well-fed Europe in its backyard." It's right. Why and why are they afraid? An example of Polish plumbers is still fresh in memory. This is what they are afraid of. And exclusively only this. About the "leverage". I didn’t understand something ... do they have no levers to prevent the import of Ukrainian metal and agricultural products into the EU? Is this such a joke? Are you sure that they will simply say so easily to their own producers: "hey guys, get out of the way, make room for Ukrainian products"? And local manufacturers immediately rushed in all directions, making room for Ukrainian goods .... It's funny. Honestly ... Well, well ... Den, you just don’t even know the West, and the ways of doing business, personally. No offense. Don't be so naive.
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              Buy 11 June 2011 22: 10 New
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              I wrote quotas and all. Our products are cheaper and better. Take a word and be afraid. And this concept includes everything. I am the LORD Lt. Lieutenant, I went to Europe neither as a tourist. Anyway, I only relax in my homeland, and I feel comfortable here. Places to know!
              1. Aucraig
                Aucraig 11 June 2011 23: 05 New
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                Which products are cheaper? Fat? May be. Everything else is bye cheaper. The profitability of the Ukrainian economy is at the border of 320-350 bucks for gas. With the increase of this border, the Ukrainian economy begins to slowly but surely bend. Will you be waiting? But we are not talking about that now. This is not to say that you are afraid because your products are cheaper. YOU JUST STUPIDLY DO NOT LAUNCH there with your products. Because it is cheaper. But with an increase in the price of hydrocarbons, you yourself will not take your products to Europe. Because it will be more expensive than there. In general, horseradish radish is not sweeter.
    3. Slav
      Slav 11 June 2011 21: 25 New
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      I fully support.
      We are pushed together by our foreheads ... while we canine ... our rulers will only do their business. They are violet who we are ... Only profit drives them. And we ... we are one ... we are co-religionists .. we have one story. And while we are together, no Pindos and other things are powerless .. so they want to divide us ... to rule ...
      About me ... Ukrainian .... Dnieper is my homeland. Officer of the Navy of the USSR. I’ve been living in Russia for 30 years .... And now I’m divided in two ....
  • mitrich
    mitrich 11 June 2011 19: 43 New
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    Au Craig,
    all our attempts at dialogue with these people are a conversation between the blind and the deaf. You still can’t explain and prove nothing to them. As for Akhmet, I’m sure that the biography is fictitious. I won’t say anything about Dan.
    I crawl on this site from 04.05.11/XNUMX/XNUMX. There is a circle of people with whom it is interesting to talk with, here is ESCANDER or VLADIMIR, for example. Here it is possible to enrich one another with information. There are other men. But you can’t prove anything even more devils, who at least get used to it. So in vain you strain.
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      Buy 11 June 2011 19: 55 New
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      I have been visiting this site for more than a year, I just never got into discussion, this was enough for me to work. I tried while I’m “repairing” at home.
      Believe me, I am not trying to prove anything to anyone here; there is no real sense in this. Here everyone has an established opinion. Just saying don’t touch. Let’s figure it out for yourself.
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        Aucraig 11 June 2011 20: 34 New
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        And rightly so, Den. Understand it yourself. Well, and if you didn’t take it hard, still answer my questions, otherwise it somehow doesn’t work out well. Verbally.
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          Buy 11 June 2011 21: 05 New
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          To be honest, I got confused in the comment scheme. It seems that all the questions were answered.
    2. Ahmet
      Ahmet 11 June 2011 21: 42 New
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      And this is how your once best friends relate to you: http: //www.rosbalt.ru/main/2011/06/11/858103.html
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        Aucraig 11 June 2011 22: 05 New
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        Well, you read ... http://forum.inosmi.ru/showthread.php?t=13694
    3. MichaelVl
      MichaelVl 12 June 2011 03: 24 New
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      AuCraig, mitrich, all right say. I support eskander too. Den, Ahmet - emotions alone pour.
  • mitrich
    mitrich 11 June 2011 20: 09 New
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    Then come on, Den, while you put out the emergency cap, discuss Libya and missile defense. And then the issue under discussion is painfully painful. Is it possible that the military of the two states, "hating" each other, have nothing to talk about?
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      Buy 11 June 2011 20: 22 New
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      ABM, and especially Libya, are painful topics for me, but these are not comments on this article. It is a pity there is no forum, you will have to wait for a similar topic.
  • lordinicus 11 June 2011 21: 04 New
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    I am interested in the opinion of people on such my conclusion.
    What is strange is a collection of people for a better life. If there are more than 100 people in a group, then a boss appears who begins to lead. This is the way humanity works.
    Why do you need bosses (prime minister, president, official)? The bosses are called by the people of the group (community, tribe, kingdom, strange, autonomy) to resolve conflicts in the group. Conflicts in a group always arise, take at least a family of two people, because they also have friction. If a group is not one clan and there is no “elder clan” that solves controversial issues, then the group must have a senior (Example: if children in a family argue, then it is decided who is right and who is always guilty of the father). Since the bosses do not produce something for the group, they only consume (Example: bosses do not work in factories to feed their families, do not plant potatoes in order to eat in winter), bosses must be kept. For the maintenance of superiors, a fee is levied on each member of the group (tax, surcharge, fee, tribute, etc.). But the authorities not only solve problems, they also lead the group to prevent conflicts (Example: there is land on which the group lives. The land consists of two parts drier and rainier, so that there are no conflicts in the group, the authorities decide to build an irrigation system on a drier territory, in the construction work is attended by all members of the group from both the dry part of the earth and the more rainy. For such a project, we need engineers, managers, etc. All this money is spent, collected how to file).
    Now, as for the Ukraine-Russia issue.
    When there was no democracy - the country was ruled by “the richest man in the world” (in Russia he was also called the autocrat or Tsar), the leader of the territory was appointed the richest man in that territory (for example: prince, count). Based on this logic, it becomes quite clear who wants what and who makes decisions for whom (the rich want to become even richer. The people want to get their piece better, the small piece - rebellion and rich on fire, so that the next count or prince would have science).
    But after the advent of democracy, who runs the country ??? For the president does not own factories, millions of hectares of land and he is not the richest man in the country. And as we know, the country is ruled by the rich, but if it is not the president then who then. The answer seems to me like this: billionaires rule the country. We take the magazine of the 100 richest Russians or Ukrainians and look at the country's leaders. It is these people who choose presidential candidates or candidates for deputies, and only after “THEIR” “blessing” do ordinary people vote for one of the “approved” ones.
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    Based on this logic, a reasonable question arises, and why, then, smart and educated people are obsessing each other on these pages and the most important topic is who is worse than Muscovites or Ukrainians. My opinion is this: Akhmetov (he was the one who “blessed” Janek) was not allowed to buy a single metallurgical plant in Russia, was not allowed to build a chocolate factory (there is such an AVK factory). In contrast to Russia, Ukraine was given the green light to buy many factories (chemical and engineering industries) and enterprises (the purchase of the largest mobile operator Kyivstar), plus they "allowed" to start acquisitions of Motor Sich (it produces 90% of the engines for Russian helicopters ), Design Bureau "Antova" (the development of transport aircraft and the establishment of production at Russian plants), Design Bureau "South" (rocket and space technology). But Akhmetov and other Ukrainian billionaires did not receive anything in return. All of them reasonably raised the question “what’s for a divorce” and a command was given to suspend integration with Russia “until it changes its mind”. In response, an increase in gas prices.
    It seems to me that this is the real reason for the increase in gas prices and the drying up of everyone and everything in the press. Is there a grain of truth in this? Who thinks what?

    PS I am a Ukrainian, there are relatives and acquaintances in Russia, I speak Russian, but I do not think the return of the likeness of the USSR and the Russian Empire in Ukraine is buzzing.
  • makrus
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    Au Craig is sound. I would like to add one current, I live in Vladivostok and around the year 2007 or 08, large Moscow companies came to our market and this killed the local business, mostly the auto business. This very embittered people, but on the other hand began to develop the territory. BUILDING GOING SIMPLY OF THE SOVIET SCALE. Although mainly Uzbeks work for them and are constantly thrown at the salary, legends also come about theft, but at least something is being done ...
  • makrus
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    lordinicus I am Ukrainian, there are relatives and acquaintances in Russia, I speak Russian, but I don’t think returning the likeness of the USSR and the Russian Empire in Ukraine is buzzing.
    OTHER OPTIONS WORSE. THAT'S ALL SALT. Regarding the "green light" HERE IS SIMPLY QUESTION OF THE PRICE AND YOUR DEBT. This is a business no one will lead sweet speeches with you. You have built a ***** state in twenty years, we also have no sugar, but there is no such circus. Less had to deal with populism
  • East 11 June 2011 23: 23 New
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    I read, ofigel, thought. The fact that poor Ukraine, as a ruffian indigent does not know who to sell its virginity to, is understandable. As is clear and another, it is not for her to decide. They will decide in the Kremlin and Washington, and not even in Brussels. Although, in principle, they have already decided. The bridegroom was in Washington, and the right of the first night will belong and already belongs to Moscow. It was decided back in 2007, between Putin and Bush. Remember the famous remark about Putin's Ukraine. And by magic, the pro-Kremlin Yanukovych became the new president. Why pro-Kremlin? Recall the main claims of Moscow to Kiev during the time of Yushchenko. This is Sevastopol and the Black Sea Fleet. These most intimate places of geopolitics are decided in whose favor? So that virginity. But you have to pay for everything pleasant. So I paid gas to the Russian Federation. Not only this, the young wife also needs to throw gifts as true gentlemen, but at least in the form of a TS. But the wife suddenly imagines herself "royal" and stubbornly rejects these gifts, and even looks at the overseas prince before the pile. Yes, the Russian Federation already does not give a damn about all this. Until 2141, Ukraine will not go anywhere, as after. And who would not say that all the actions of the current rulers of the Kremlin are dictated only by love towards Ukraine.
    And for me, it would be better if Ukraine went to the EU. The EU would ruin all the “best and cheapest” industrial production, as some write here, and clear the way for Russian companies. We Russians do not need competitors, not in metallurgy, not in the military-industrial complex, and in agriculture as well.
    But the laws of geopolitics and geoeconomics cannot be fooled. As there is the southwestern border of the Russian Empire along the Prut / Lower Danube, even Catherine the Great and Generalissimo Suvorov could not do anything about it.
    1. Ahmet
      Ahmet 11 June 2011 23: 58 New
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      Chill, holy fool. These are all your violent fantasies. You won’t take us without blood! Are you ready to spill it yourself, or your children? And you are useless warriors, the Caucasus has shown. So calm down. And Russia has only 30 years to survive. Then Great China will swallow it. Amen.
      1. Aucraig
        Aucraig 12 June 2011 00: 33 New
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        Ahmet, here I, for example, can list almost all the military victories won by Russia. In the entire history of its existence. Can you name at least one military victory won by Ukraine? (for the whole, very short history of the existence of Ukraine). Well, at least one! Oh please! This is where we conclude our clarifications about the “useless warriors”. Ukraine and three years can not stand it. It will fall apart. And no one will have to “swallow” it. Now come on. I look forward to hearing from you a bunch of shit, hysterical insults, and other manifestations of insulted and humiliated independent and independent pride.
        1. Aucraig
          Aucraig 12 June 2011 01: 04 New
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          By the way, Ahmet, about the "blood shed." And how much blood amers shed in Libya? You see, now the trend is this - do not conduct ground operations. So they use missile systems and aviation. So, in which case, no one will shed blood. Missiles and aviation. And, just in case ... to remind you, where did you put your Buki? You have no more left .....
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          Superduck 14 June 2011 18: 29 New
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          "Can you name me at least one military victory won by Ukraine"
          Borodino, Battle of Kursk, Capture of Keneksberg, Capture of Berlin are the battles that Ukraine won as part of the Russian Empire or the USSR. Do you know how an empire differs from a principality?

          What better name are a couple of the great battles that the Moscow Kingdom won after the conquest of Russia by the Tatars from the 12th century until 1654 i.e. the entry of Ukraine into the subordination of Moscow and the formation of the Russian Empire?
      2. MichaelVl
        MichaelVl 12 June 2011 03: 37 New
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        Well, you, Ahmet, turned down, dear :))))) The warriors are not thin ??? And what did the Caucasus show you there? (by the way, the Caucasus is generally an internal matter). You have already suffered complete nonsense because of your emotions. Stop Reason soberly.
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        Why so nervous dear? Did I say somewhere that you should be taken by force or blood? Hysteria is not necessary, I simply affirm, as always, by the way, that we have already raped our own. And now, dear, go to the EU, we are not flayers, let them rip you off as sticky and only after that, you yourself will crawl to us. And then we'll see.
        By the way, about China. While we will share the planet with China, you can only hope that you will be left with at least your self-name.
        About the holy fool. You yourself recognize me like that. And the holy fools in Russia, however, as elsewhere, predicted fate.
        Opus about the Caucasus - nonsense is not commented.
        And the last Ahmet. Learn to lead a discussion, it is worthless to saliva to spray in a decent society.
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          Aucraig 12 June 2011 13: 21 New
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          "Learn to lead a discussion, it is worthless to saliva to spray in a decent society."
          It is useless, Ost. This is the only thing Ahmet can do. Spray snot on the monitor, and throw shit. But he does not know how to think. Nothing.
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          I agree with Ost. You have to be correct.
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        Ahmet, you are very funny, well, just our Russian buffoon. I live in the Caucasus and such clowns in hats here are a dime a dozen. Hot you are our abrek.
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        Ahmet filter the bazaar. We don’t need your blood. Do not touch our army. Kakvkaz did not show anything proud. And for Russia we’ll release the guts. And we will not see that you are Ukrainian Ahmet, or the great Chinese.
  • Michael
    Michael 12 June 2011 00: 07 New
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    And only one thing surprises me - the question arose - where to go to Ukraine - the fateful issue for the country and why it should be decided by thieves in power (based on their interests) and not the people. Yes, everything is simple - REFERENDUM (all the pros and cons to the studio) - and the people will decide and democratically shut up and swallow their defeat. And do not insult each other here, do not care about the well of history (like the pearl that Stalin is a fool). Look for a simple solution in a complex, much less lying on the surface.
    Yes! Respect each other, be like there in Ukrainian - tolerance one to one.
  • figwam 12 June 2011 00: 07 New
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    The laws of nature are as follows: everything and everything will return to their places, something will happen in the world that will force the republics of the former USSR and not only to turn their faces to Russia, because there will be no better option.
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      You say it right, damn it, time will put everything in its place. Just do not want to wait for years ... And you have :)
  • makrus
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    Ahmet, you are su ... but the real netrosa is sacred. I don’t know what the Caucasus showed you, but do not touch it with your fucking ... language.
    1. Aucraig
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      Take it easy, makrus. We will wait for him to answer my question. If he answers. What I doubt very much. But there will be a lot of shit ...
  • bomber
    bomber 12 June 2011 01: 53 New
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    The territory that they invented and legalized for themselves will be carried out by Ukraine. There is no legitimate authority. Yanukovych - - the curse removed -. Power is in the truth. SEVASTOPOL RUSSIAN CITY.
    1. Ahmet
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      You don’t touch our President. He was elected by the people, honestly - to him and lead the country. And you have katsaps, there’s even no choice - as the masses decide in Moscow, it will be so. And rightly so, you do not deserve to choose. You need a king. And the AuCraig and Makrus sexots paid to FSB - well, you are visionaries. Your army is a bunch of oligophrenics, corrupt officials and amateurs. What is she capable of? Is that scare Georgians. I’m in a hurry, I’ll be all in the evening.
      1. Aucraig
        Aucraig 12 June 2011 12: 33 New
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        Well what can I say .... Ukraine doesn’t even have such an army! All sold out. To China and Georgia. By the way, you did not answer my question. Maybe you’ll try?
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          You are a cool downy. Woof woof woof; woof-woof-woof, why bark like a dog? Oh, got it! You master the grub. Come on, bark on. And what was your question, remind?
  • zond
    zond 12 June 2011 12: 14 New
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    Unfortunately, what most Ukrainians write is more emotional nonsense. reading is difficult. Ukrainian himself live in Murmansk. it just so happened that, by the will of fate, our family was brought so far. so after all, there was only one homeland. I remember my father generally left for work in Magadan. huge country, huge opportunities. what infringed Ukrainians ???? !!! Have you forgotten who led the USSR? Everyone was there. And what is not a country of equal opportunity ?? !!!! who wants to enslave you? !!! what nonsense we read !!!! how many Ukrainians live in Russia ... someone infringes on them ?? !! Ukraine disconnected .. the lords won, the local princes became presidents, and you personally, what you won ??? just sent a child to relatives on vacation in kremenchug. Bosch there earns so much that ... my dear ones and you still think that it has become better !!!!! Yes, there are, as elsewhere, the rich, who incidentally have to do with oil refining. But most of this has to do with it. For most, the salary is simply miserable.
    Huge trying - huge opportunities. A giant market for everyone. Why did the Ukrainians think that Europe is closer to them ?? !! You look at how many comments from Russia. How do people worry that fraternal peoples live apart !!!
    Stupid !!! Counting a penny. 200 500 600 dollars. You can’t even imagine what prospects could be in the future !! This is the restoration of military cooperation, of course, normal energy prices, huge sales for Ukrainian goods, investments in the Ukrainian economy. Why do Ukrainians so poorly assess their capabilities ?? !! Indeed, in Russia it’s not plowed, not sown. You can also invest there. Free movement of labor. Where is this slavish ???? !!!
    Who needs you in Europe ?? Think about what you get in return. Common Economic Space ?? !! Yes, they will eat you there even faster. Your goods are not needed there. Russia loves and knows you, and who are you for Europe ??? They say correctly ... Only girls they need. In the end, it’s better to be second with Russia than the penultimate in Europe, where you will always be looked upon as barbarians.
    Do not bend in any case in front of Russia ??? !! And what did you do before America ??? !!! It was disgusting to watch !!!! Open your eyes - you are barbarians and cannon fodder for them.
    Russians love Ukrainians. And what language is like a song !! My daughter does not know Ukrainian, but when she comes to Ukraine, she tries to learn him not because she is Ukrainian, but because she is delighted with him.
    You read one thing in the forums, but if a Russian comes to Ukraine, then the relationship is just fraternal.
    What prevents us from uniting again ??? 200usd for gas ??? !!! but give you these 200 300 your same pans they just gobble up and not choke and it will be just zilch !!!
    1. Aucraig
      Aucraig 12 June 2011 12: 37 New
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      Well that's it, zond. Now you have been paid by FSB sexots.
  • mitrich
    mitrich 12 June 2011 14: 05 New
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    it’s just that you started a dispute in which you won’t understand without a bottle. Such issues need to be discussed at a well-laid table (as an option, in Yulia Tymoshenko’s bed), rather than forums. All the same, you won’t come to an agreement.
    1. Buy
      Buy 12 June 2011 14: 43 New
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      "This is exactly your truth. It’s not on Yulka’s bed. I talked to her. He’s also a brain dispenser, and he’ll take your last money. Gypsies at the station to study and study from her.
  • huginn 12 June 2011 14: 37 New
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    In general, there are many more good people in Ukraine, but if you are rubbed from morning to night that Russia is an enemy and all the troubles are somehow connected with Russia, then doubts about friendship between Russians and Ukrainians will grow every day! Ukraine is an independent country and there is no need to hope what kind of concessions there will be for this independence from Russia. Let them learn how to independently steer their own state without requiring concessions from their neighbors.
  • His
    His 13 June 2011 18: 02 New
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    Che so all disagree with this Ukraine? Who does she need ... with all her straw. Girls alone are good
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  • Crimean
    Crimean 15 June 2011 14: 12 New
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    Yes, gentlemen, just a variety of styles and opinions. I give my comment as a native Crimean. Ukraine is a rich country, everything is there, even Crimea. Only, here's the catch - you need to establish normal "management", and no one has done this for all 20 years of "independence". Well, they couldn’t: they stole something somewhere, slammed it somewhere, scored it for something — everything is in Russian. In fact, Yanukovych in the first place is not some kind of people’s strata and strata, but a group of oligarchs who benefit from Ukraine’s entry into Europe in any status. But Russia has grown smarter over the past 20 years, has become stronger and also realized that Ukraine is the right territory. And what is happening now, both with gas and with the fleet, is an economic and political war, and such that it will die. I think that Ukraine has three options: 1) go under Russia, 2) fly to Europe, even under the threat of an economic crisis, 3) stand in surprise between Europe and Russia. I'm afraid option number 3 is being worked out.
  • Staff_
    Staff_ 15 June 2011 15: 13 New
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    “When my great-grandfather, the hereditary Zaporizhzhya Cossack, having learned that now we are Ukrainians and even such a country, he gathered the whole family and ordered to pass on to his descendants (fortunately, they conveyed): We are a Cossack family, we can’t do this. And we are from the Ruska’s kind, we are from Zaporozhye, and I’m shobbing such a man in a house better than I do.
    So dear gentlemen ukry, you do not need fairy tales about two people, or two nations. This is utter nonsense. Russia has a lot of Ukraine, but for some reason it’s Western, it has shown off so much that it needs independence, from its own, and rumor has turned into a language. And he calls himself a state. Oh sorry the great-grandfather did not live, although maybe this is for the best. He was severely untruthful, and the Communists.
    My great-grandfather, had an estate in the village of Sabovka near Lugansk. Named saber from the hetman, and diploma. All this was stolen, or destroyed by the Bolsheviks, the estate was taken. And all this because he decided, and yet he cleaned the snout of Parkhomenko, only because this peasant called himself a Cossack. At the same time, Voroshilov was present, and a platoon of soldiers. Which then returned, and yet dispossessed.
    Only the saber is said to have been hidden somewhere. Eh, to find .... "
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 15 June 2011 15: 38 New
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      Well, he said this, too, not quite in Russian (well, in the modern sense). Remember, Sholokhov also had that the Cossacks refused to make relatives with Ukrainians.
      And yes, there is little. However, this is how nations are formed. Almost all of us were once in Europe Indo-Europeans who spoke the same language, and over there in Europe are now peoples. It's me that the process is slightly natural.
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