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Will Rasmussen outbid the Mistrals?

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The US congressmen addressed the NATO Secretary General Rasmussen with a letter in which they stated that the Alliance needed to urgently think about acquiring the French Mistral helicopter carriers, which are being built for Russia. The agency reports Reuters. According to American lawmakers, the supply of warships to Russia today violates the entire system of sanctions imposed against the Russian Federation.


Will Rasmussen outbid the Mistrals?


The total amount of the Russian-French contract for the purchase of Mistral is about 1,2 billion dollars. The contract was signed in 2011, while the French side assured Moscow that the ships would be delivered "in any case." Did the French foresee that they would have to face the overwhelming desire of the US congressmen not to allow them to fulfill the contract?

Under the terms of the contract, Russia must receive the first helicopter carrier already this year. This is the ship "Vladivostok". In 2015, France pledged to transfer to Russia the Sevastopol under construction today. Apparently, the American members of Congress decided that the two Sevastopol for Russia at one historical stage were overkill, and therefore made an offer to Rasmussen, which he would try to refuse. Even for NATO, putting $ 1,2 billion is a serious matter.

Today in Russia there are disputes over whether the Russian Navy Mistral is needed at all. If, after all, the United States puts pressure on the NATO leadership and achieves cancellation of the contract, then Russia, at least financially, will not lose: France, in this case, will be obliged to pay Russia huge penalties for non-fulfillment of the contract.

Experts in an interview RIA News expressed themselves in the way that the US, with its pressure, can add NATO headaches and weaken France.
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  1. smart ass
    smart ass 30 May 2014 19: 20
    +122
    An interesting thing comes out .... to outbid, Russia is good! Not to outbid ... also not bad)
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 30 May 2014 19: 27
      +29
      All against Russia .. Obama takes revenge! )))
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        1. Oleg Sobol
          Oleg Sobol 30 May 2014 20: 02
          +33
          Obama is nobody, like the general majority of US presidents!
          President in the United States, this is a representative of certain groups and clans.
          In this configuration, the "downito impotento" clans came to power ... which seems to be their nominee.
          1. kirieeleyson
            kirieeleyson 30 May 2014 21: 25
            +12
            I agree, the new generation of the American upper electorate is completely brainless. These are just flowers. a new volume of the book - "How to fuck up in 10 years in the USA" Apparently, Rockefeller's grandfather rested in the Bose and now they derban everything that was acquired by back-breaking labor)
            1. gav6757
              gav6757 30 May 2014 23: 26
              +28
              Let them buy and give it to Ukraine, and we will pick it up later, together with Odessa !!!
              1. 1812 1945
                1812 1945 31 May 2014 00: 26
                +4
                Quote: gav6757
                Let them buy and give it to Ukraine, and we will pick it up later, together with Odessa !!!

                Bravo!
                1. Muadipus
                  Muadipus 31 May 2014 00: 50
                  +4
                  EVERYTHING THAT IS GOOD FOR RUSSIANS - TO THE BOURGEES TO DEATH!
            2. Al_lexx
              Al_lexx 31 May 2014 03: 13
              +9
              Quote: kirieeleyson
              US congressmen turned to NATO Secretary General Rasmussen with a letter stating that the North Atlantic Alliance

              Eeee do not tell ...
              Just think about these words:
              US congressmen turned to NATO Secretary General Rasmussen with a letter stating that the North Atlantic Alliance

              We read between the lines (translate from the diplomatic):
              We, the American congressmen, will be terribly bastard if, during the period of sanctions, France builds and gives helicopter carriers to Russia. Therefore, the NATO member countries (not, not America) should quickly chip into the hostel and buy from (I emphasize), from Russia this order.
              And what can I say? Fools, yes, no. Dreamers passionately wanting to pass their fantasies into reality - no doubt!
          2. chudoudodelt
            chudoudodelt 30 May 2014 21: 58
            +4
            Do you think there are other presidents somewhere? they are just pawns around
        2. DMB3000
          DMB3000 30 May 2014 20: 13
          +25
          Bamka is our resident. Only you do not tell anyone. All his actions are only in the hands of my beloved mother.
        3. maks-101
          maks-101 30 May 2014 20: 22
          +31
          Obama is a stupid Kenyan monkey! He is not a politician. His sanctions are ridiculous. Even in the USA they already realized that he was a worthless person.
          Do not insult the monkeys, they are much smarter than Obama.
          1. snifer
            snifer 31 May 2014 01: 12
            +9
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            The State Duma began preparing a law on the accession of eight regions of Ukraine

            The Russian party of the LDPR intends to introduce a law to the State Duma in order to legally allow the introduction of troops into 8 regions of Ukraine - Lugansk, Donetsk, Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev, Zaporizhzhya, Dnipropetrovsk and Kharkov regions.

            This is stated in the statement of the Liberal Democratic Party. The party claims that a certain "new territory called Novorossiya" is under constant pressure from the Ukrainian authorities.

            "It is possible to seize part of the territories of these two regions (Luhansk and Donetsk) and the whole of Novorossia as a whole, eight territorial entities: Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Lugansk, Donetsk and Kharkiv regions," the Liberal Democratic Party said.

            no matter what cockroaches were in Zhirik’s head. but it was at the moment that the apple voted for him and not for the commerce
            1. sssr
              sssr 31 May 2014 19: 52
              +4
              For the sake of the twenty millionth Russian population of the southeast, it’s possible to start a war. Probably every second or third generation has fought in Russia from pokon centuries. It’s the grace of God to die for the homeland, I think.
            2. sssr
              sssr 31 May 2014 19: 52
              +3
              For the sake of the twenty millionth Russian population of the southeast, it’s possible to start a war. Probably every second or third generation has fought in Russia from pokon centuries. It’s the grace of God to die for the homeland, I think.
        4. UVB
          UVB 30 May 2014 20: 46
          +3
          Quote: Good
          Obama is a stupid Kenyan monkey!
          Why should our ancestors be so offended?
          1. kind
            kind 30 May 2014 21: 20
            +33
            Our ancestors are bears !!!
        5. Revolver
          Revolver 30 May 2014 22: 06
          +10
          Quote: Good
          Obama is a stupid Kenyan monkey! He is not a politician. His sanctions are ridiculous. Even in the USA they already realized that he was a worthless person.

          You will decide for yourself who he is - "stupid Kenyan monkey" or still "worthless person." Agree, this, as they said in Odessa before its entry into the great power ykpov, "two big differences."
          lol
          1. Val_y
            Val_y 1 June 2014 19: 01
            +3
            Oh, I beg you, we still say that, and wait a bit until we get back hi
        6. Klibanophoros
          Klibanophoros 31 May 2014 00: 39
          +4
          Well, well, Holobik, don’t get excited if you would be happy if America would steer a person these days, with the scale of F.D. Roosevelt?
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        8. mejik
          mejik 31 May 2014 01: 04
          0
          [media = https: //www.arewethere.yt/---/9726.htm] did it work?
        9. sonik-007
          sonik-007 2 June 2014 12: 14
          0
          Do not stoop to his level of "monkey" - you are only showing your ignorance. Let his ignorance remain with him, do not become like him. Ultimately, he is also not independent - the military lobby in the United States is huge.
        10. bytkeev
          bytkeev 2 June 2014 13: 34
          0
          albeit certainly not stupid ... but very limited ... those corporations that work for us do not want to lose their profits, but if the Republicans come they will behave more
      2. maks-101
        maks-101 30 May 2014 19: 59
        +6
        All against Russia .. Obama takes revenge! )))
        he doesn’t take revenge, but grinds his teeth in frustration that he can’t do anything.
      3. Anton-sed
        Anton-sed 30 May 2014 20: 21
        +2
        Don't get used to angry
        1. UFO
          UFO 30 May 2014 20: 35
          +54
          "Shut up, shameful Europe
          And do not pump your rights.
          You are just an ass in Russia,
          And you think it's a head. "
          F. Tyutchev 1867
          150 years have passed, but what has changed? !!! No.
          1. DMB3000
            DMB3000 30 May 2014 20: 49
            +28
            Tyutchev worked as a diplomat in Munich !!! And we know him as a poet. If he wrote such poems, then he was the right diplomat. Bravo!!!
          2. viktor3316
            viktor3316 31 May 2014 01: 38
            +2
            Only this is not Tyutchev but Vladimir G. Sablin. Tentatively 1988. Voronezh But all one +++.
      4. yushch
        yushch 30 May 2014 20: 40
        +2
        Rasmussen is Chernenko’s poodle, if he opens his mouth, then it’s barking Tanned :)
      5. VADEL
        VADEL 30 May 2014 20: 41
        +5
        Not Obama. World system of degenerates. I ask myself a question, do you need this UN for "XY"? For this money that we are pouring there, we could provide for the elderly and helpless children sad .
      6. Simon
        Simon 30 May 2014 21: 22
        +8
        It turns out that Obama is not taking revenge on Russia, but on the alliance. If the Euroalliance outbids the Mistral, then he still needs to invest money on the remake of the deck, since the deck was remade for our helicopters. Get involved! Fools. laughing
      7. Interface
        Interface 30 May 2014 22: 35
        +2
        Will Rasmussen outbid the Mistrals?


        Will swim in his pool.
      8. fyvaprold
        fyvaprold 1 June 2014 21: 50
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        All against Russia

        But God is with us! And let the others roll to the Devil!
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 30 May 2014 19: 27
      +39
      Quote: Clever man
      An interesting thing comes out .... to outbid, Russia is good! Not to outbid ... also not bad)


      It would be nice for the second BDK to arrange a home port - Havana, so that their State Department would bump.
      1. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 30 May 2014 21: 35
        +14
        For the BDK Cuba is not the place of basing, but the "four hundred" with their range of intercepting missiles at the start is the place. Then the Amera missiles will have to be launched against the rotation of the Earth across the Pacific Ocean, and this is not good when launching strategic missiles, since it greatly reduces the carrying capacity, and with this the take-off speed from the start. Given the coastal areas of major US cities, there are enough missile boats. In this case, the "mosquito fleet" is more difficult to cover than one big "target".
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 31 May 2014 04: 32
          +4
          Quote: shasherin_pavel
          For the BDK Cuba is not the place of basing, but the "four hundred" with their range of intercepting missiles at the start is the place. Then the Amera missiles will have to be launched against the Earth's rotation across the Pacific Ocean, and this is not good when launching strategic missiles ...

          ICBMs are launched through the North Pole, aerospace defense in Cuba is useless in this regard, their launch mines are concentrated in the midwest, closer to the Canadian border, 4000-5000 km from Cuba.
      2. Vasek
        Vasek 30 May 2014 22: 19
        +1
        Quote: Dym71
        rockets will need to be launched against the rotation of the Earth through the Pacific Ocean

        Isn't the Earth turning to the West?
        1. Vasek
          Vasek 30 May 2014 22: 50
          0
          repeat Oops, I'm sorry, I hurried with a question! fool
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      4. Korablev
        Korablev 31 May 2014 03: 31
        +1
        and rename "Vladivostok" to "Odessa"
    3. zanoza
      zanoza 30 May 2014 19: 28
      +33
      An interesting thing comes out .... to outbid, Russia is good! Not to outbid ... also not bad)

      This is how our President interprets this to "our peace-loving Western partners": "The sanctions are mutually sharp!"
      Newton’s third law states:
      Action is equal to counteraction.

      "A woman with a cart - it's easier for a mare."
      1. poquello
        poquello 30 May 2014 19: 43
        +16
        Quote: zanoza
        An interesting thing comes out .... to outbid, Russia is good! Not to outbid ... also not bad)

        This is how our President interprets this to "our peace-loving Western partners": "The sanctions are mutually sharp!"

        Double-edged is when both sides feel bad, but at the moment Macaque uses Europe as a glove to throw poop. Whether the glove gets or not is still in shit.
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    4. dmitreach
      dmitreach 30 May 2014 19: 30
      +32
      And who is Rasmussen? And with whom did you make a deal? His place near ...
      Really push the story of forces only French prezik. And then in an ultimatum order, in relation to DCNS and other related products. But France is not a banana republic (not to such an extent a banana republic) his shipbuilders will send to Yukh and will not give money for the next elections ... He is not in a hurry to quarrel with his oligarchs. War is war, and politics is more expensive. Moreover, the fight is not his, but omerigashok with the Russians. And then the government had to be changed, according to the results of March ... and now there who rules the ball, in the government? Marine Lee Pen. For half a year, Ms. Li Pen will be able to defend a deal with the Russians? Will be in time. For she, in principle, with the Russians. Actually, you can intrigue only with the second ship. The first one is almost gone. So it goes...
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 30 May 2014 20: 33
        +12
        Quote: dmitreach
        Really can only be intrigued with the second ship

        So after all, half of the second ship is at the Baltic shipyard in St. Petersburg. I don’t understand at all why the Americans made a fuss about the Mistrals.
        So that Russia doesn’t get it, they’ll buy the ship’s floor from Russia, the circus on the dart-dart will not break.
        Mind Russia is no longer relevant to understand, judging by America and Ukraine.
        P.S. Yes, so that the Yankees at least a penny for the French just like that, I will not believe it when. They are not able to service their external debt, no matter what they do, but it is growing and growing.
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 31 May 2014 04: 14
          +2
          saturn.mmm
          So, after all, half of the second ship at the Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg is standing.

          They are trying to calculate the topic of termination of the contract at a certain period of production. Like, according to the contract, Russia pays in stages ... and ... if you break the contract right here ... yesterday, then at what stage of payment and what are the costs of fines ... That is: it will substitute, but not so much with the finished product ... But this, in real life - does not happen.
          Yes, so that the Yankees at least a penny for the French just like that, I will not believe it when

          and who said that omerigunSSy will pay and help? banquet at the expense of the Allies - vassals.
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    6. Sid.74
      Sid.74 30 May 2014 19: 32
      +35
      And you have to return the stern !!! good Let the paddles shoot yourself in both knees and sell two-thirds of the ship ground under our turntables and weapons to NATO !!! laughing
      1. matross
        matross 30 May 2014 19: 42
        +21
        No guys! Since the Indians are against, it means good ships, we must take it! wink
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 30 May 2014 20: 28
          +25
          Quote: matRoss
          Since the Indians are against, it means good ships, we must take it!

          It's not about the ships, the Americans here are generally in chocolate, they lose nothing. As one friend of mine says: it’s good to tease a dog with someone’s horseradish, it’s funny and not painful.
        2. vsoltan
          vsoltan 30 May 2014 21: 08
          +3
          You don’t need to take it, well, read it - they are not suitable for our northern waters, and I have no doubt that our engineers, having already a package of technical documentation, are able to build something similar, but suitable for us. Mistral is a Peryukovskaya scam, how much money did he lather, buying unnecessary and inappropriate equipment for Russia? And the Italian armored personnel carriers? So close it, definitely ...
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 30 May 2014 22: 38
            +10
            Quote: vsoltan
            Take it is not necessary, well, read - they are not suitable for our northern waters, and I have no doubt our engineers, having already a package of technical documentation, are able to build something similar, but suitable for us ...

            The project was specially redone for us, so don’t need la-la ...
            in addition to our sanctions against France, there will be sanctions from South Korea, which owns this shipyard, and there the figures are an order of magnitude higher.
          2. matross
            matross 30 May 2014 22: 54
            +4
            Quote: vsoltan
            - they are not suitable for our northern waters

            Well, they will walk in our southern! wink
      2. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 31 May 2014 04: 43
        +4
        Quote: Sid.74
        And you have to return the stern !!! good Let the paddles shoot yourself in both knees and sell two-thirds of the ship ground under our turntables and weapons to NATO !!! laughing

        Hi Zhenya.
        I’ll tell you more, the feed was also not built from scratch, most likely the shipyard’s engineers have a complete drawing of the hull, in other words, in which case you can finish building the second half yourself, put in your own power plant ... due to the penalty that the French will pay.
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 31 May 2014 12: 09
          +3
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Hi Zhenya.
          I’ll tell you more, the feed was also not built from scratch, most likely the shipyard’s engineers have a complete drawing of the hull, in other words, in which case you can finish building the second half yourself, put in your own power plant ... due to the penalty that the French will pay.

          Greetings! hi It’s not clear, the documentation is French, and whoever gives us the rest, the question is with the copyright holder for this product, everything is patented and entirely belongs to the French! What if we have only one part of the ship’s documentation, it’s hard to even copy without the rest of the documentation! We are not Chinese to mindlessly copy everything from external photos! If we build from the stern, we will definitely get an icebreaker! laughing Well, in general, all this is one such a big farce! They’ll build and pass it on I'm sure of it! It was the same with the rheinmetal which we are building the military base for the training ground! Merkel told us to finish it, the management of the rheinmetal sent Angela some money and continued to build! Nobody was losing money and image capital she doesn’t want because of the short-term leadership and not the eternal political vector! By the way, did you hear that Netanyahu decided to build a secure connection with GDP? All the same, the mysterious people are Jews, they always keep their nose in the wind! yesVots, I think Israel nevertheless went to rapprochement with Moscow! Maybe in the East it will become calmer, well, God forbid!
          The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSO) and the Office of the Prime Minister of Israel are starting negotiations on creating a direct encrypted connection between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

          The agreement to start these negotiations was approved by the Russian government, agreed with the Russian Foreign Ministry and signed by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.

          Any details regarding the reasons for the start of negotiations on this topic have not yet been published; official Jerusalem’s reaction to this document also does not yet exist.

          http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti/2014/05/27/putin-budet-posilat-shif...

          Now they will whisper in a straight line! fellow
    7. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 30 May 2014 19: 41
      +24
      Only McCain can squeeze the maximum image for Russia in any situation.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 30 May 2014 19: 43
        +12
        Quote: Sergey S.
        Only McCain can squeeze the maximum image for Russia in any situation.

        But what about Agent "Snowball" Obama? Don't forget the lieutenant colonel! bully
        1. sem-yak
          sem-yak 30 May 2014 21: 08
          +4
          why jump through the rank? so far he has only received the major for the Crimea, a subfield for the southeast and not otherwise
    8. Vorodis_vA
      Vorodis_vA 30 May 2014 19: 47
      +8
      we concluded a stupid contract, if they refuse, then we will have profit and we will leave the contract ..
      1. vsoltan
        vsoltan 30 May 2014 21: 10
        +2
        Not us, Serdyukov
    9. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK 30 May 2014 19: 53
      +4
      They will not pay the penalty once the person who has more rights is right.
      1. vsoltan
        vsoltan 30 May 2014 21: 10
        +4
        Under the contract - will be
        1. STEALS
          STEALS 30 May 2014 21: 21
          +2
          Quote: vsoltan
          Under the contract - will be

          They are like Ukraine - what is such an agreement ????
        2. STEALS
          STEALS 30 May 2014 21: 26
          +2
          Will not. Stupid pretend
          1. andrejus
            andrejus 30 May 2014 22: 48
            +7
            They will pay. There is nowhere for them to go, the French are not Ukrainians, they have something to lose.
            1. BYV
              BYV 30 May 2014 23: 31
              0
              Where are they going to go? Of course they will pay ....... years through 30, when several lawsuits end.
    10. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 30 May 2014 19: 54
      +34
      The State Duma began preparing a law on the accession of eight regions of Ukraine

      The Russian party of the LDPR intends to introduce a law to the State Duma in order to legally allow the introduction of troops into 8 regions of Ukraine - Lugansk, Donetsk, Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev, Zaporizhzhya, Dnipropetrovsk and Kharkov regions.

      This is stated in the statement of the Liberal Democratic Party. The party claims that a certain "new territory called Novorossiya" is under constant pressure from the Ukrainian authorities.

      "It is possible to seize part of the territories of these two regions (Luhansk and Donetsk) and the whole of Novorossia as a whole, eight territorial entities: Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Lugansk, Donetsk and Kharkiv regions," the Liberal Democratic Party said.
      1. vsoltan
        vsoltan 30 May 2014 21: 17
        +21
        Yeah, how interesting - back in February Zhirik "threw out" the idea of ​​Crimea - Crimea happened ... in March - about the southeast .... happening ... now about 8 regions .... I don't know, he himself is or works for GRU - but I - with both hands FOR !!!
      2. Gav-111
        Gav-111 30 May 2014 21: 58
        +5
        Lord of the Sith, and serves the bright side of power. wink
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 May 2014 22: 06
        +3
        Quote: Sith Lord
        The Russian party of the Liberal Democratic Party intends to introduce a law to the State Duma in order to legally allow the introduction of troops in 8 regions of Ukraine

        If Zhirik was the president, then we would have returned Kiev. Or maybe not winked
        1. vsoltan
          vsoltan 30 May 2014 22: 47
          +8
          Zhirik is a clown, and at the same time the most intelligent and educated person. For many years the party has been following the line, the latter, under the cover of absent foolishness, expresses the OPINION., In which case - but what to take from Zhirik, the opposition :-) and the screamer? The government departments are dismissing .... of course, he is working on the Great Russian idea ..... his whole image is nothing more than blasphemy, everything is much more serious ..... the last few months are a fuse of public opinion. And in this case - he is quite in his place, managed to use and use the power ... for which I also thank the authorities, sometimes capable of a reasonable
      4. Revolver
        Revolver 30 May 2014 22: 24
        -1
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        introduce a law to the State Duma
        Making the law is a cheap trick and won't change anything. It seems like back in March a law was passed allowing the GDP to use force at its own discretion. If the situation allowed, the troops would already be there, and elsewhere. The Urkain army can barely cope with the militias, and even against the regular forces of the Russian Federation it will hold out, well, maybe several hours, and the main delay will be in the reception and registration of prisoners and trophies. Maybe someone here thinks that this cheap clown "son of a lawyer" is better informed than VVP, or is he better able to calculate the situation?
        1. vsoltan
          vsoltan 31 May 2014 00: 21
          +2
          Yes, no one thinks so ... they think that he works for him
      5. Yun Klob
        Yun Klob 31 May 2014 00: 04
        +1
        But what about Khmelnitsky? There is a Turkish fortress.
    11. armageddon
      armageddon 30 May 2014 20: 01
      +5
      Hmm ... We finally PLACE ORDERS ... !!! Enough shipyards !!! We must build MORE ... For yourself !!!
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 30 May 2014 22: 47
        +1
        Quote: Armagedon
        Hmm ...We finally PLACE ORDERS ... !!! Enough shipyards!!! We must build MORE ... For yourself !!!

        name WHERE can you place orders ???
        and for what you build "YET", do you even know how much it costs to build a shipyard at least of the type of Nikolaev ChSZ or Shipbuilding Plant named after 61 Communards? and Severodvinsk? and Baltic?
        1. yur
          yur 30 May 2014 23: 32
          +4
          Quote: PSih2097
          you generally know how much it costs to build a shipyard
          Not more expensive than money. Do you know what impetus the construction of a huge plant would give to the country's economy? Plus security from all sorts of "partners" tricks. soldier
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 31 May 2014 01: 25
            -2
            Quote: yur
            Quote: PSih2097
            you generally know how much it costs to build a shipyard
            Not more expensive than money. Plus security from all sorts of "partners" tricks. soldier

            Which is now absent and whether it will not be known ... Although it is possible to collect Ukrainians from your population as your Ukrainians.
            And do you know what impetus the construction of a huge plant would give the country's economy?

            And who does the oligarchs in our country need? At the moment, the state has no where to get money for construction ...
        2. vsoltan
          vsoltan 31 May 2014 00: 23
          +1
          Exactly. Not only in the northern shipyards, but in Nikolaev! What are your doubts?
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 31 May 2014 01: 27
            0
            Quote: vsoltan
            Exactly. Not only in the northern shipyards, and - in Nikolaev! What are your doubts?

            That's when Nikolaev becomes part of the Russian Federation, then you will speak, but for now there is an Admiral Lobov RRC on the joke and small things are going with the BTR-4 ...
            1. vsoltan
              vsoltan 31 May 2014 02: 06
              +1
              Well, you’re right, what a pessimist .... yes, all 9 regions will enter ... they will enter, sooner or later
        3. aleks 62
          aleks 62 2 June 2014 18: 14
          +1
          Quote: PSih2097
          Quote: Armagedon
          Hmm ...We finally PLACE ORDERS ... !!! Enough shipyards!!! We must build MORE ... For yourself !!!

          name WHERE can you place orders ???
          and for what you build "YET", do you even know how much it costs to build a shipyard at least of the type of Nikolaev ChSZ or Shipbuilding Plant named after 61 Communards? and Severodvinsk? and Baltic?
          .... Zaliv plant in Kerch .... Dry dock up to 250m ... And if we take into account that large ships are built in parts, and then dock afloat, then no problem ... At one time the first was built there. USSR supertanker "Crimea" (150 thousand tons) ... By the way, aircraft carriers were built in Nikolaev in the same way ...
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    13. krpmlws
      krpmlws 30 May 2014 21: 23
      +7
      It would be nice if the NATO bought Mistral. With money for the Mistral and forfeit, you can build shipyards for building normal aircraft carriers. Probably there would still be left for the construction of normal BDKs, maybe like I. Rogov.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 30 May 2014 22: 51
        +3
        Quote: krpmlws
        It would be nice if the NATO bought Mistral. With money for the Mistral and forfeit, you can build shipyards for building normal aircraft carriers. Probably there would still be left for the construction of normal BDKs, maybe like I. Rogov.

        it’s not necessary, you can’t build anything for the forfeit, shipyards are not only boxes of buildings with equipment (and ChSZ was estimated at $ 35-40 billion in its best years), it’s also workers with engineers who still need to be prepared and prepared. ..
        1. yur
          yur 30 May 2014 23: 50
          +6
          Quote: PSih2097
          which still need to be cooked and cooked ...
          The key word in your proposal is "must". Yes, it is necessary to train engineers and highly skilled workers. So this is wonderful! Otherwise, the country has only half-trained lawyers and "effective" managers. No. And about 35-40 billion "green". When Gazprom or Rosneft invests $ 50-80 billion in a project, then for some reason we applaud standing, and if $ 40 billion for a defense plant, why is it bad? Not logical.
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 31 May 2014 01: 33
            0
            Quote: yur
            and if 40 billion at a defense plant, then why is it bad? Not logical.

            I repeat, the state currently does not have the funds to build a shipbuilding plant similar to ChSZ on the territory of the Russian Federation, the maximum they can do is build additional capacities in Severodvinsk at Sevmash ...
            1. yur
              yur 31 May 2014 19: 57
              0
              Quote: PSih2097
              I repeat, the state currently does not have funds for the construction of a shipyard in the Russian Federation
              The state has more than 500 billion dollars (gold and foreign exchange reserves) in the "storehouse" and supports the economy of our main enemy (yes, not a "partner", but an enemy). Plus government funds - development, generations, etc. - a few hundred billion more. So there is no need to talk about the lack of money, the state, patriotic will is really not enough. angry
          2. DMB87
            DMB87 31 May 2014 06: 15
            -2
            Young people ran away to work "as a simple engineer." Optimism is off the charts.
        2. vsoltan
          vsoltan 31 May 2014 00: 26
          +4
          Here it is ... Authorship will not hurt Russia .... and we will build factories ourselves and we will grow engineers ..... moreover, this is not the first time
    14. svp67
      svp67 30 May 2014 21: 26
      +9
      Quote: Clever man
      An interesting thing comes out ..

      But it is really VERY interesting.
      Of the benefits:
      1. We, according to the idea, due to forfeit, should get more than we spent ...
      2. Our shipbuilders gained experience in the construction of the stern parts of ships of this type.
      3. I am more than sure that our shipbuilders were at the French shipyard at the time of the "marriage" of the bow and stern, that is, they saw how the French do it, and this is the same experience.
      4. Already now the crew of "Vladivostok" is undergoing training for a ship of this type, and they are being trained, in particular, by French specialists. That is, they share their experience.
      Of the minuses:
      1. We lose the finished ship.

      But the French have some minuses and the main ones
      1. It is necessary to return the money received, plus a penalty.
      2. The ships are "sharpened" for Russian deck helicopters and landing and landing craft, and they are different from NATO ones, which means they need to be altered, unnecessary costs or drowned, depriving several thousand of their shipbuilders of work.
      3. It is required to find a buyer ... and who is now ready to spend so much, the United States does not want to, they offer to "fold" NATO ...
      1. Fregate
        Fregate 30 May 2014 22: 23
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        But the French have some minuses and the main ones
        1. It is necessary to return the money received, plus a penalty.
        2. The ships are "sharpened" for Russian deck helicopters and landing and landing craft, and they are different from NATO ones, which means they need to be altered, unnecessary costs or drowned, depriving several thousand of their shipbuilders of work.
        3. It is required to find a buyer ... and who is now ready to spend so much, the United States does not want to, they offer to "fold" NATO ...

        The French also have a minus in the fact that others will think about buying something from the French in view of the fact that they can do so. For example, in India, their Rafal won the tender, though I don't know whether they signed the contract or not. If not, then the Indians may also think about such "comrades", suddenly they will sell these planes to someone else at the last moment.
        1. vsoltan
          vsoltan 31 May 2014 00: 31
          0
          Gee-gee, NATO doesn’t buy the unfinished Mistrals, they don’t need to shit .... they will shake the carrots and throw fools-Frenchmen - and rightly so, not wanting to prostitute - I won’t give or not to you!
    15. mad
      mad 30 May 2014 22: 10
      +3
      Quote: Clever man
      An interesting thing comes out .... to outbid, Russia is good! Not to outbid ... also not bad)

      I wonder if you have to return the money, will the French admit that they have already "returned" to Serdyukov and K 2-3% of the transaction amount? wassat
      1. mejik
        mejik 31 May 2014 01: 05
        +1
        [media = https: //www.arewethere.yt/---/9726.htm] well and
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    16. badandrew
      badandrew 30 May 2014 23: 02
      +3
      So it may turn out that having invested $ 1.2 billion, we can get, taking into account the forfeit, sickly annual%, Obama will then shoot himself for sure.
    17. Yura
      Yura 30 May 2014 23: 13
      0
      Here, it seems to me the point is not that they will not buy, they will not buy it, execute the contract. We can also tell the French that the Chinese want to buy back the amount of gas received by France under a contract from Russia, and therefore do not care about the contract simply because China so desires. This is one option, the second if it still happens i.e. they will simply outbid drown them when transferred to a place of permanent deployment, not defiantly, and complain about the fact that even the dead Bin Laden manages to carry out terrorist attacks. And it will be clear to everyone that it is impossible to violate this word between the states, and no one can say anything, in this situation the best option is to keep silent.
    18. khromin111
      khromin111 1 June 2014 17: 23
      0
      most likely will be sold through third countries ....
    19. Basarev
      Basarev 1 June 2014 20: 39
      0
      Whatever you say, Russia needs landing helicopter carriers. They will definitely increase the combat potential of the fleet. Of course, they’re not like the people of Ulyanovsk, but they have different tasks and weight categories. And the Mistrals fully cope with their tasks. So let the French build us ships. We will break all sanctions, and at the same time we will receive modern technologies.
    20. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 1 June 2014 21: 48
      0
      Quote: Clever man
      ! Do not outbid ... also not bad)

      Outbid - just EXCELLENT! There were dirty rumors around the world that "Mistral" was the rarest of the go.vna varieties, bought by "the s.ionist Perdukov", either for a "bribe", or for natural "wretchedness".
    21. papavam62
      papavam62 2 June 2014 11: 53
      0
      These ships (weapons of the first strike), in fact, Russia does not need! It was a political action. Show the rapprochement of the Russian Federation with France.
    22. dkflbvbh
      dkflbvbh 2 June 2014 16: 29
      -1
      Quote: Clever man
      An interesting thing comes out .... to outbid, Russia is good! Not to outbid ... also not bad)


      Well said.
  2. sichevik
    sichevik 30 May 2014 19: 23
    +17
    Ours have already reassured the very frustrated mattresses. it doesn’t hurt that we need your Mistals. But denyuzhki for these troughs and even with interest can be used to increase our defenses.
    1. STEALS
      STEALS 30 May 2014 21: 25
      +1
      And I already heard
  3. jekasimf
    jekasimf 30 May 2014 19: 25
    +13
    Already got this topic. Chew, do not chew.
    1. MBA78
      MBA78 31 May 2014 12: 02
      +1
      France still need will chew on
  4. vladstro
    vladstro 30 May 2014 19: 25
    +14
    Yes, let them take away their unfinished dristals, they will give the money along with the forfeit as it should be under the contract, and that’s all, and we will help the militias in the southeast.
    1. 0255
      0255 30 May 2014 19: 49
      +2
      Quote: vladstro
      Yes, let them take away their unfinished dristals, they will give the money along with the forfeit as it should be under the contract, and that’s all, and we will help the militias in the southeast.

      so can Obama allow them not to pay a penalty, what will the French do?
      1. sem-yak
        sem-yak 30 May 2014 21: 21
        +6
        And we will close the valve closer to the cold weather, and they will not only give the penalty, but they will also forget the name Obama! Cold is not aunt - Cold is the uncle, the Five is the FROZ IVANYCH!
  5. Cherdak
    Cherdak 30 May 2014 19: 25
    +44
    And you - Ah, Serdyukov so-and-so. And he is the spilled Nasserdamus! The seer looked ahead, the seer laughing
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 30 May 2014 20: 00
      +2
      Well, with a black sheep, even for children on mittens laughing
    2. Spnsr
      Spnsr 30 May 2014 21: 18
      +6
      Quote: Cherdak
      And you - Ah, Serdyukov so-and-so. And he is the spilled Nasserdamus! The seer looked ahead, the seer laughing

      I doubt that he looked, he was like that, a doll! so a person at a furniture factory, if he didn’t even see what he was signing ...
    3. vsoltan
      vsoltan 30 May 2014 21: 22
      +4
      A thief should sit in jail
    4. gav6757
      gav6757 30 May 2014 23: 34
      +4
      It would be better if this Nasraldamus was a couple of five-year-olds, he would carry out his predictions in the chamber !!!
  6. ruton
    ruton 30 May 2014 19: 25
    +16
    God nevertheless leads Russia away from these Mistrals.
    1. 0255
      0255 30 May 2014 19: 50
      +10
      let him take the Su-35 away from the Chinese laughing
      1. MBA78
        MBA78 31 May 2014 12: 03
        0
        all that will not be done is all for the best
  7. homosum20
    homosum20 30 May 2014 19: 26
    +19
    Yes, let them take nafig. How many large landing complexes like Ivan Gren will we build with this money? a dozen or a half? Plus, we will raise the infrastructure for their construction. And then the Kaliningrad "Yantar" breathes in incense.
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 2 June 2014 12: 25
      0
      Quote: homosum20
      Yes, let them take nafig. How many large landing complexes like Ivan Gren will we build with this money?

      following YOUR logic ... Ivan Gren has been building for 10 years and everything will not be built .... and money has already come out more than 600 million ... and Mistral costs 600 million .... so the mouth is off
  8. jovanni
    jovanni 30 May 2014 19: 26
    +9
    Put Clab-K on these grandmothers, and send them closer to the Indians.
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 31 May 2014 00: 54
      +3
      Quote: Jovanni
      and make these grandmothers Clab-K, and send them closer to the Indians.

      then grenades f1 are better ... and by Russian post directly to the State Department ...... how many schoolchildren are on the site ???? ... hopelessness ...
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 31 May 2014 01: 38
        0
        Quote: gispanec
        Quote: Jovanni
        and make these grandmothers Clab-K, and send them closer to the Indians.

        then grenades f1 are better ... and by Russian post directly to the State Department ...... how many schoolchildren are on the site ???? ... hopelessness ...

        No, why, on Cuba they would have looked quite so ... from Cuba to Florida, nothing at all ...
  9. Junior, I
    Junior, I 30 May 2014 19: 27
    +13
    There, over a large puddle, they decided to punish the EU with money. Russia will only benefit from this, and the same for the money. But Europe will sit in a deep puddle. One of the countries will have to buy them laying out a round sum. Yes, and Russia to pay a penalty.
  10. andrei332809
    andrei332809 30 May 2014 19: 28
    +5
    Well, they don't let Rasmussen calmly "serve" what
  11. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 30 May 2014 19: 29
    +13
    This is Hollande's fork. Either bend under the overseas owner and rake in financial and image losses, or earn extra money for the good of France. Let's see what is more acceptable for the "Chief Guardian".
    1. Angro Magno
      Angro Magno 30 May 2014 20: 41
      +2
      Get out, Holland. We look forward to it.
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  12. Barboskin
    Barboskin 30 May 2014 19: 29
    +2
    Oh my God, how so ?! It turns out that they used to live shitty, and we will continue to live filthy. laughing
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  14. fox21h
    fox21h 30 May 2014 19: 29
    +9
    Quote: sichevik
    To lay out $ 1,2 billion even for NATO is a serious matter.

    This is the sum of the cost of the ships, but do not forget about the lawsuits, they will be an order of magnitude greater, so buy a good trip, and we will make five strategists for this money, and maybe more)
  15. Twice RUSSIAN
    Twice RUSSIAN 30 May 2014 19: 30
    +6
    Rasmussen will add his grandmothers to the ransom of the Mistrals from France, so that Putin would be spoiled.
    I recall a story when he, as the Danish Prime Minister, recorded a private conversation with Putin and published this conversation without warning his interlocutor.
    1. sem-yak
      sem-yak 30 May 2014 21: 26
      +3
      Eco difficult Our Vladimir decided to take revenge on the enemy! Tell me what a difficult combination! Ah well done, and how tactfully and consistently!
  16. Comintern
    Comintern 30 May 2014 19: 30
    +7
    Like Dristrali, a Russian person will come out of any situation with humor!
  17. Stepnyak
    Stepnyak 30 May 2014 19: 31
    +3
    men what about children from Slavyansk can be heard drove small to the Crimea who heard what
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 30 May 2014 19: 46
      +8
      As far as I fetch the information from an Internet-arrived. Prepare for shipping.
    2. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 30 May 2014 19: 47
      +5
      About 200 people have already arrived in Artek.
    3. Vorodis_vA
      Vorodis_vA 30 May 2014 19: 52
      +3
      yes we got great, no one turned out to be
    4. arhip
      arhip 30 May 2014 20: 08
      +3
      We arrived safely, only in Foros.
  18. Signaller
    Signaller 30 May 2014 19: 33
    +1
    How they squealed. It's just darkness. Named to them. "And he injects, and wants, and the mother does not order." Probably a refund of payment plus a penalty, for these grandmas we ourselves will do the same in a year.
  19. DMB3000
    DMB3000 30 May 2014 19: 34
    +1
    we will build our compensation.
  20. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 30 May 2014 19: 34
    +3
    NATO does not have that much money, and the Americans will not participate. And so great - we will "wash" money, with a penalty and "trough" their they will take.
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  22. Signaller
    Signaller 30 May 2014 19: 35
    +3
    But return the transferred documentation ????? This is a combination of three fingers. Chatter with a soft sign is written ???? As they say in Muscovy. So they will interrupt.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 30 May 2014 22: 49
      +5
      Quote: Signaller
      But return the transferred documentation ????? This is a combination of three fingers. Chatter with a soft sign is written ???? As they say in Muscovy. So they will interrupt.

      And what? Originals can be returned, and a copy (or 2, or how much is put there) in the archive to leave, purely for order in office work. Let it gather dust. Maybe she’s in the archive and rot. And if necessary, you can blow off dust. lol
  23. propolsky
    propolsky 30 May 2014 19: 35
    +6
    Oh, and France will fly in for money! But America is not interested in the most interesting thing, to spoil everything there, but the fact that the French will eat some frogs for a whole year does not count.
    1. smart Fox
      smart Fox 30 May 2014 19: 59
      +3
      no frogs in france. gobbled up. They are now being taken from the Far East. What will they eat when they pay us the forfeit?
  24. Gloria45
    Gloria45 30 May 2014 19: 36
    +15
    France in this case will be obliged to pay huge penalties to Russia for failure to fulfill the contract.

    Experts in an interview with RIA Novosti expressed that the United States, by its pressure, could add a headache to NATO and weaken France.

    So this development is more beneficial for us. You can put on the stream:
    conclude a contract like this, attach another "Crimea", get sanctions, ruin the contract, return the money + forfeit and weaken their enemies.
    And calmly design your own boats. good
  25. amavr
    amavr 30 May 2014 19: 36
    +9
    Let them take it, we’ll build three frigates with this money. And for the amount of the fine - a couple more boats wink
  26. EvgenSuslov
    EvgenSuslov 30 May 2014 19: 36
    +11
    Well, let everyone throw off and buy the Mistals. We will give it back to you. They took 1,2 billion, we will sell for 2,1 billion the market, interest, lost profits, all according to the western rules of doing business. So gentlemen, turn out your pockets. And we will build ourselves)))
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 2 June 2014 19: 31
      0
      Well, that’s how the pockets will turn out, it’s more ours with you, as Gazprom is doing now! Well, what, and betraying the interests of your country has become almost the national sport of Russian officials!
  27. Navy7981
    Navy7981 30 May 2014 19: 38
    +4
    Does anyone understand or know how these ships were going to be used?
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 30 May 2014 19: 47
      +5
      So I would like to know about this ...
    2. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 30 May 2014 19: 48
      +6
      This is the most interesting question.
      Initially, the project was intended to intimidate and service the overseas territories of France - to drive Papuans by helicopters and deliver the company to the coastal barracks with a certain chic.
      We are going to strengthen the Red Banner Pacific Fleet with these ships.
      We need to understand the Japanese for our military, it seems like the Papuans ...

      But seriously, to ensure the Kuril garrisons in peacetime, these ships are quite suitable.
      1. Znayka
        Znayka 30 May 2014 20: 12
        +3
        Here I will argue with you ... The combat resistance of this "product" is zero ... Without an escort, in general, they can be sent anywhere only as a target.
    3. Vorodis_vA
      Vorodis_vA 30 May 2014 19: 54
      +2
      helicopter carriers ... such as air only helicopter
    4. Andreitch
      Andreitch 30 May 2014 20: 00
      +2
      So the fact of the matter is that the Mistrals do not fit into the military concept of Russia. These ships, or rather troughs, are needed only for operations against the "banana republics", they (mistrals) are not even able to defend themselves, such floating coffins that any missile boat can sink!
  28. MAGGNUM
    MAGGNUM 30 May 2014 19: 39
    +5
    Today, when I heard this news, I once again remembered Zadornov - "what are they STUPIDEEEE" Well, really, people! Well funny! How long Fashington will continue this circus, it's time to end. American clowns usss calm down already! fool
    2 Mistrals are being built with us, technology has been transferred, well, rob NATO of 1.2 billion, please, they don’t have any money, it will be even less (ours is better). For the penalty, we ourselves will build another 2. And what to destroy our missiles, generally in FIG!
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 31 May 2014 00: 29
      -2
      Quote: MAGGNUM
      For the penalty, we ourselves will build another 2.

      do not write nonsense .... we will build 10 new ones on our own forfeit .... ashamed .... they will forgive us this forfeit ... and what will we do? .... apologize? or attack? ... nonsense ... it is necessary to take both Mistral ..... and this is a fact !!!
  29. ochakow703
    ochakow703 30 May 2014 19: 41
    +14
    The ideal would be that the French would refuse to give up both helicopter carriers. The fact is that in Russia there is no infrastructure capable of servicing ships of this class, and this is a waste of resources. And by their intended purpose, they hardly meet the tasks of the fleet. In my opinion, albeit not professional, but sharpened by service in the USSR Navy, it would be better to build a couple of helicopter-carrying boxes of the "Moscow" and "Leningrad" type using the money raised from the penalty (the hull drawings have survived), but in a modern configuration. I think it would have turned out boxes ... lick your fingers. After all, who is Misral? This is an almost dumb barge carrying a contingent of marines and able to provide air defense, well, also a command ship. And remember the potential of "Leningrad". This is a full-fledged BOD with a developed air defense system, even by the standards of those ships, quite sufficient ... And if modern weapons are hung on those contours, on that hull ... it will be just a swallow, not a box. So let the NATO people buy a dummy with misrales and stuff them with whatever they want, it will be sooooooo profitable for them, and they will raise the degree of defense to an unprecedented height.
    1. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 30 May 2014 21: 02
      +3
      The ideal would be for the French to refuse to give back both helicopter carriers

      Absolutely right! Unless to add, it is that the concept of using this type of ship is not provided for by our defense doctrine. Plus, the overall dimensions of the decks ... hangars ... underdecks ... the flooded docking room for amphibious assault boats do not correspond to the overall dimensions of our military equipment ... and the completion will require very big expenses from us ....
      1. gispanec
        gispanec 31 May 2014 00: 58
        0
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        the concept of using this type of ship is not provided for in our defense doctrine. Plus, the overall dimensions of the decks ... hangars ... underdecks ... the flooded docking room for amphibious assault boats do not correspond to the overall dimensions of our military equipment ... and the completion will require very big expenses from us ....

        Well, what are you saying ... a reference to the studio on all of the above ... you just rave and do not own the information .... ashamed ..
      2. AndreyS
        AndreyS 2 June 2014 16: 23
        +1
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        The ideal would be for the French to refuse to give back both helicopter carriers

        I agree with that! But:
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        Plus, the overall dimensions of the decks ... hangars ... underdecks ... the flooded docking room for amphibious assault boats do not correspond to the overall dimensions of our military equipment ... and the completion will require very big expenses from us ....

        This is not a valid statement! You deeply respected KazaK Bo probably missed one important detail - the ships are being built adapted for Russia, with the installation of Russian weapons in Russia already!
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    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 1 June 2014 15: 09
      +1
      Quote: ochakow703
      a couple of helicopter-carrying boxes of the type "Moscow" and "Leningrad" (the drawings of the hull have been preserved), but in a modern configuration

      As an engineer, I can say that hull design is just flowers, but ship saturation design is just the same berries ... In general, it’s easier to start from scratch - at least 6-8 years.
  30. Dimsanych
    Dimsanych 30 May 2014 19: 46
    0
    Of course, now ours can build for these money and three similar BDKs, the Chinese will be able to build 5 in general, while they will also collect one from the remnants of the material. So where to get the project ?! We will buy them with the project documentation in order to build similar ones later. Like it or not, we do not have a similar technology yet. We have not built it yet. And this is not the most important thing. Most important is TIME! they are needed yesterday or even the day before yesterday. A bunch of BDK is involved in Syria, and we have so many fleets and seas, and almost no military transport. If ours starts building today, then they will finish the first year in 4, not earlier. Are we ready to wait so much? We are not ready to wash nichrome. Oh, we need new things. Of course, they get up a little expensive, but their benefits will not be small.
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 31 May 2014 01: 00
      0
      Quote: DimSanych
      Of course, now ours can build for these money and three similar BDKs, the Chinese will be able to build 5 in general, while they will also collect one from the remnants of the material.

      but the Mexicans for the money 10 pieces rivet .... cheers !!! .... if you write nonsense !!!
    2. Korablev
      Korablev 31 May 2014 03: 47
      +1
      Yes, the benefits of them are very "big" - with a big bold minus sign, and you justify - why do we need BDK in Syria?
  31. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 30 May 2014 19: 46
    +3
    Given how half-hearted decisions love GDP, they will most likely agree. We have one and part of the money. Maybe it's for the best. But in the west they are apparently racking their brains over another, just like the ships taking away and not giving money away.
    1. MAGGNUM
      MAGGNUM 30 May 2014 19: 57
      +4
      easy, France will not go anywhere and will give us the money, but NATO can oblige France to give them ships for free, in exchange for their favorite "guarantees"
  32. parus2nik
    parus2nik 30 May 2014 19: 47
    +11
    Apparently, the American members of the Congress decided that two Sevastopols for Russia at one historical stage are too much
    Therefore, I recall an old story in the 80s of the 19th century, when relations between England and Russia were not so hot ... England was frightened by the information that Russia intends to strengthen its Black Sea fleet with fifteen new battleships, which will be named after the twelve apostles and three saints. ..And England protested, began to raise the international community to its feet .. Russia confirmed the construction of two battleships, not 15, "Twelve Apostles" and "Three Saints" ...
  33. konvalval
    konvalval 30 May 2014 19: 47
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    All against Russia .. Obama takes revenge! )))

    But this passage is just in favor of Russia.
    1. mark2
      mark2 30 May 2014 20: 01
      +7
      This will continue in the future. Now "mistrals" - okay, we would not really want to, let's say. or we ourselves can build something similar. Then there will be a blockade of technologies. Let's say we buy through third countries with an overpayment. What's next? And then only a direct clash in the political and military spheres. Russia was simply overlaid! And as always, it was expected and unexpected at the same time. As in 41. They knew that the Nazis would attack, and all the same they retreated for half a year. We will win. It is a fact. But we must do something now, and not be outside observers!
  34. capex1
    capex1 30 May 2014 19: 49
    +9
    Well, firstly, what is America itself unable to redeem these Mistrals (external debt of 18 trillion dollars) ?! And secondly, if it weren’t for the crisis in Ukraine, NATU itself would probably have been bought out, for example, China itself (just kidding), they don’t have money to support their own pants, but here is Mistral ?! In short, I conclude that the stripes are degrading every day and it pleases !!!
    1. philip
      philip 1 June 2014 22: 58
      0
      capex1

      Unfortunately I can not agree with you
      stripy degrading every day and it pleases !!!

      not happy about the monkey in the open field with a defensive grenade, have you heard?
  35. Arh
    Arh 30 May 2014 19: 50
    +2
    In any case, we tease NATO !!!))) fool wassat tongue laughing
    1. MAGGNUM
      MAGGNUM 30 May 2014 19: 58
      +4
      Yes, we are just rude to them !!! wassat
  36. BOB044
    BOB044 30 May 2014 19: 51
    +3
    Yes, Russia can lead if NATO outbids. That fines and forfeits of the French will be in a panic. Obama like hell in a whirlpool twists everything twirls. But the bummer doesn’t matter to him. After all, the Mistrals are being made for our technology. NATO has a viral disease from Ukraine on its head.
  37. tomcat117
    tomcat117 30 May 2014 19: 52
    +7
    Will Rasmussen outbid the Mistrals?

    Anything can be expected from these cunning pedros ... remember the epic with contributions in Cyprus.
    It is much more serious here, to get hold of the enemy Russia, you need to be a complete idiot.
    Ukraine is learning the war of 2008 on the side of Georgia.
    Draw gentlemen conclusions.
    If there is such a decision, I personally (and many) in the next election will vote for GDP. I think that the retribution to the French for betrayal will come in this life!
    1. Korablev
      Korablev 31 May 2014 03: 50
      0
      Do you think in this life you will wait for the next presidential election in Russia? It is unlikely that he is now there for life.
    2. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 2 June 2014 19: 36
      0
      And where will he (Rasmussen) denyuzhek take that he will send all NATO gays to the panel? And so that they would give him money for a dubious project of inadequate Amer congressmen, then this is unlikely!
  38. dr.Bo
    dr.Bo 30 May 2014 19: 57
    +9
    Here are the rats fussing! Lol
    Just a couple of years of sanctions and we have a new industry! good
  39. tehnoluks
    tehnoluks 30 May 2014 19: 58
    +6
    Hai Abramovich will buy back, he loves big yachts. Actually, if you stuff modern weapons under the ceiling into this "mistral". "Death Star" will work!))) And what, that slow-moving and clumsy? As the saying goes, "the hippopotamus has poor eyesight, but with its mass, this is not its problem" bully
  40. novel68rus
    novel68rus 30 May 2014 20: 06
    +3
    if it weren’t for the heart, no one would buy this crap ... they wanted to cut loot on them and no more .. why are they better than our ships?
    1. ARS56
      ARS56 31 May 2014 00: 28
      +4
      Not Serdyuk bought, but Medvedyuk. He specifically drove to Paris for this. The trough is defenseless, stupid and extremely expensive to maintain, because a package of oils, greases, etc., is imprisoned for NATO and could not be altered for us, so we still need to make a special supply ship according to NATO standards and buy their oils, lubricants, etc. for life.
      If only sanctions would help get rid of misrals.
  41. buzer
    buzer 30 May 2014 20: 08
    +3
    I wonder how I.N.F. Also frightened Maidan?
  42. Des10
    Des10 30 May 2014 20: 12
    +2
    France in this case will be obliged to pay huge penalties to Russia for failure to fulfill the contract.
    I would like to know --- WHAT? laughing
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 30 May 2014 20: 31
      +1
      If I'm not mistaken, then something is about 80% of the contract amount. Approximately one billion euros is obtained.
  43. gandalf
    gandalf 30 May 2014 20: 15
    +3
    To lay out $ 1,2 billion even for NATO is a serious matter.

    More ... not only cost, but also forfeit, reputation costs, other kinds of compensation for lost profits ...

    They will not buy in the end, because ships are being built with changes for the Russian specifics, in terms of armament and technical component. Other countries with such changes do not need ships. Because to change them, you need to invest another billion 2-2.5 to change the internals for weapons, equipment, etc. + buy all this for the ship.

    Therefore, the amount required to purchase a ship for use grows to ~ 4.5-5 billion.
    If you buy in order to give for scrap, then 2-2.5bn, but this is money in the trash.

    So what kind of idiot decides to throw away that kind of money?
  44. 3vs
    3vs 30 May 2014 20: 15
    +2
    You can sell for $ 2 billion.
  45. Everest2014
    Everest2014 30 May 2014 20: 16
    +2
    Let it outbid, the French will pay a penalty due to the failure of the contract wink
  46. Giant thought
    Giant thought 30 May 2014 20: 16
    +3
    They called on to call, but did not give money.
  47. Arkuda
    Arkuda 30 May 2014 20: 20
    +3
    Legally, they cannot outbid, because "The President of the USC estimated the share of the Russian side in the creation of the first ship at 20%, for the second - 40%, for the third - 60%, for the fourth - 80%." Unless, of course, France turns a blind eye to the terms of the contract, under which it will incur losses, in other words, NATO can compensate them.
  48. DMB-75
    DMB-75 30 May 2014 20: 24
    +7
    Let them choke! We’ll build it ourselves and provide people with our work. And we will return the grandmother.
  49. Nasty pirate
    Nasty pirate 30 May 2014 20: 27
    +2
    And who knows, can we build the Mistrals ourselves without the permission of France, or do we need a production license?
    1. Arkuda
      Arkuda 30 May 2014 20: 42
      +1
      You can go the Chinese way, the benefit of the teacher is now).
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    3. armageddon
      armageddon 30 May 2014 20: 50
      +2
      Hmm ... It’s even better to build it yourself !!! But THIS TIME ... BUILT it would be nice to pick up ... !!!
    4. not main
      not main 30 May 2014 21: 04
      +1
      Quote: NastyPirate
      And who knows, can we build the Mistrals ourselves without the permission of France, or do we need a production license?

      Do we need him? That is the main question!
      1. znour
        znour 1 June 2014 17: 30
        0
        Quote: non-primary
        Do we need him? That is the main question!


        Yes, sure. We simply do not have an analog ship. Introductory: Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky was hit by an earthquake, followed by a powerful tsunami strike. Many wounded and hypothermic. Which ship of the Russian Navy can gather people in 16 helicopters and deliver them immediately on board, transferring the wounded immediately to the hospital on board?
        1. patriot-rf
          patriot-rf 2 June 2014 11: 11
          0
          Quote: znour
          Yes, sure. We simply do not have an analog ship. Introductory: Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky was hit by an earthquake, followed by a powerful tsunami strike. Many wounded and hypothermic. Which ship of the Russian Navy can gather people in 16 helicopters and deliver them immediately on board, transferring the wounded immediately to the hospital on board?
          Unless, of course, from this point of view, then yes you need. And if with the military?
          1. Legioner
            Legioner 2 June 2014 17: 13
            0
            If I’m not mistaken, under an agreement with Turkey, none of the parties has the right to deploy ships such as aircraft carriers in the Black Sea.
            1. Nasty pirate
              Nasty pirate 2 June 2014 22: 44
              0
              Kuznetsov was based in Sevastopol. There is some kind of agreement on the non-nuclear status of the Black Sea, although I do not know how officially it is.
              1. Legioner
                Legioner 3 June 2014 21: 25
                0
                "Kuznetsov" was not based, but was built in the Black Sea, or rather in the present-day Uraine city of Nikolaev.
        2. Legioner
          Legioner 2 June 2014 17: 11
          0
          TAKR “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov”.
  50. Angro Magno
    Angro Magno 30 May 2014 20: 30
    +1
    Can give him a bribe to outbid?