Will Rasmussen outbid the Mistrals?

The US congressmen addressed the NATO Secretary General Rasmussen with a letter in which they stated that the Alliance needed to urgently think about acquiring the French Mistral helicopter carriers, which are being built for Russia. The agency reports Reuters. According to American lawmakers, the supply of warships to Russia today violates the entire system of sanctions imposed against the Russian Federation.

The total amount of the Russian-French contract for the purchase of Mistral is about 1,2 billion dollars. The contract was signed in 2011, while the French side assured Moscow that the ships would be delivered "in any case." Did the French foresee that they would have to face the overwhelming desire of the US congressmen not to allow them to fulfill the contract?

Under the terms of the contract, Russia must receive the first helicopter carrier already this year. This is the ship "Vladivostok". In 2015, France pledged to transfer to Russia the Sevastopol under construction today. Apparently, the American members of Congress decided that the two Sevastopol for Russia at one historical stage were overkill, and therefore made an offer to Rasmussen, which he would try to refuse. Even for NATO, putting $ 1,2 billion is a serious matter.

Today in Russia there are disputes over whether the Russian Navy Mistral is needed at all. If, after all, the United States puts pressure on the NATO leadership and achieves cancellation of the contract, then Russia, at least financially, will not lose: France, in this case, will be obliged to pay Russia huge penalties for non-fulfillment of the contract.

Experts in an interview RIA News expressed themselves in the way that the US, with its pressure, can add NATO headaches and weaken France.

Comments

[smart ass]

An interesting thing comes out .... to outbid, Russia is good! Not to outbid ... also not bad)

[Vitaly Anisimov]

All against Russia .. Obama takes revenge! )))

[Oleg Sobol]

Obama is nobody, like the general majority of US presidents!
President in the United States, this is a representative of certain groups and clans.
In this configuration, the "downito impotento" clans came to power ... which seems to be their nominee.

[kirieeleyson]

I agree, the new generation of the American upper electorate is completely brainless. These are just flowers. a new volume of the book - "How to fuck up in 10 years in the USA" Apparently, Rockefeller's grandfather rested in the Bose and now they derban everything that was acquired by back-breaking labor)

[gav6757]

Let them buy and give it to Ukraine, and we will pick it up later, together with Odessa !!!

[1812 1945]

Quote: gav6757

Let them buy and give it to Ukraine, and we will pick it up later, together with Odessa !!!

Bravo!

[Muadipus]

EVERYTHING THAT IS GOOD FOR RUSSIANS - TO THE BOURGEES TO DEATH!

[Al_lexx]

Quote: kirieeleyson

US congressmen turned to NATO Secretary General Rasmussen with a letter stating that the North Atlantic Alliance

Eeee do not tell ...
Just think about these words:

US congressmen turned to NATO Secretary General Rasmussen with a letter stating that the North Atlantic Alliance

We read between the lines (translate from the diplomatic):
We, the American congressmen, will be terribly bastard if, during the period of sanctions, France builds and gives helicopter carriers to Russia. Therefore, the NATO member countries (not, not America) should quickly chip into the hostel and buy from (I emphasize), from Russia this order.
And what can I say? Fools, yes, no. Dreamers passionately wanting to pass their fantasies into reality - no doubt!

[miraculous]

Do you think there are other presidents somewhere? they are just pawns around

[DMB3000]

Bamka is our resident. Only you do not tell anyone. All his actions are only in the hands of my beloved mother.

[maks-101]

Obama is a stupid Kenyan monkey! He is not a politician. His sanctions are ridiculous. Even in the USA they already realized that he was a worthless person.

Do not insult the monkeys, they are much smarter than Obama.

[snifer]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

The State Duma began preparing a law on the accession of eight regions of Ukraine

The Russian party of the LDPR intends to introduce a law to the State Duma in order to legally allow the introduction of troops into 8 regions of Ukraine - Lugansk, Donetsk, Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev, Zaporizhzhya, Dnipropetrovsk and Kharkov regions.

This is stated in the statement of the Liberal Democratic Party. The party claims that a certain "new territory called Novorossiya" is under constant pressure from the Ukrainian authorities.

"It is possible to seize part of the territories of these two regions (Luhansk and Donetsk) and the whole of Novorossia as a whole, eight territorial entities: Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Lugansk, Donetsk and Kharkiv regions," the Liberal Democratic Party said.

no matter what cockroaches were in Zhirik’s head. but it was at the moment that the apple voted for him and not for the commerce

[USSR]

For the sake of the twenty millionth Russian population of the southeast, it’s possible to start a war. Probably every second or third generation has fought in Russia from pokon centuries. It’s the grace of God to die for the homeland, I think.

[USSR]

For the sake of the twenty millionth Russian population of the southeast, it’s possible to start a war. Probably every second or third generation has fought in Russia from pokon centuries. It’s the grace of God to die for the homeland, I think.

[UVB]

Quote: Good

Obama is a stupid Kenyan monkey!

Why should our ancestors be so offended?

[kind]

Our ancestors are bears !!!

[Revolver]

Quote: Good

Obama is a stupid Kenyan monkey! He is not a politician. His sanctions are ridiculous. Even in the USA they already realized that he was a worthless person.

You will decide for yourself who he is - "stupid Kenyan monkey" or still "worthless person." Agree, this, as they said in Odessa before its entry into the great power ykpov, "two big differences."

[Val_y]

Oh, I beg you, we still say that, and wait a bit until we get back

[Klibanophoros]

Well, well, Holobik, don’t get excited if you would be happy if America would steer a person these days, with the scale of F.D. Roosevelt?

[mejik]

[media = https: //www.arewethere.yt/---/9726.htm] did it work?

[sonik-007]

Do not stoop to his level of "monkey" - you are only showing your ignorance. Let his ignorance remain with him, do not become like him. Ultimately, he is also not independent - the military lobby in the United States is huge.

[bytkeev]

albeit certainly not stupid ... but very limited ... those corporations that work for us do not want to lose their profits, but if the Republicans come they will behave more

[maks-101]

All against Russia .. Obama takes revenge! )))

he doesn’t take revenge, but grinds his teeth in frustration that he can’t do anything.

[Anton-sed]

Don't get used to

[UFO]

"Shut up, shameful Europe
And do not pump your rights.
You are just an ass in Russia,
And you think it's a head. "
F. Tyutchev 1867
150 years have passed, but what has changed? !!!

[DMB3000]

Tyutchev worked as a diplomat in Munich !!! And we know him as a poet. If he wrote such poems, then he was the right diplomat. Bravo!!!

[viktor3316]

Only this is not Tyutchev but Vladimir G. Sablin. Tentatively 1988. Voronezh But all one +++.

[yushch]

Rasmussen is Chernenko’s poodle, if he opens his mouth, then it’s barking Tanned :)

[VADEL]

Not Obama. World system of degenerates. I ask myself a question, do you need this UN for "XY"? For this money that we are pouring there, we could provide for the elderly and helpless children .

[Simon]

It turns out that Obama is not taking revenge on Russia, but on the alliance. If the Euroalliance outbids the Mistral, then he still needs to invest money on the remake of the deck, since the deck was remade for our helicopters. Get involved! Fools.

[Interface]

Will Rasmussen outbid the Mistrals?

Will swim in his pool.

[fyvaprold]

Quote: MIKHAN

All against Russia

But God is with us! And let the others roll to the Devil!

[Dym71]

Quote: Clever man

An interesting thing comes out .... to outbid, Russia is good! Not to outbid ... also not bad)

It would be nice for the second BDK to arrange a home port - Havana, so that their State Department would bump.

[shasherin_pavel]

For the BDK Cuba is not the place of basing, but the "four hundred" with their range of intercepting missiles at the start is the place. Then the Amera missiles will have to be launched against the rotation of the Earth across the Pacific Ocean, and this is not good when launching strategic missiles, since it greatly reduces the carrying capacity, and with this the take-off speed from the start. Given the coastal areas of major US cities, there are enough missile boats. In this case, the "mosquito fleet" is more difficult to cover than one big "target".

[And Us Rat]

Quote: shasherin_pavel

For the BDK Cuba is not the place of basing, but the "four hundred" with their range of intercepting missiles at the start is the place. Then the Amera missiles will have to be launched against the Earth's rotation across the Pacific Ocean, and this is not good when launching strategic missiles ...

ICBMs are launched through the North Pole, aerospace defense in Cuba is useless in this regard, their launch mines are concentrated in the midwest, closer to the Canadian border, 4000-5000 km from Cuba.

[Vasek]

Quote: Dym71

rockets will need to be launched against the rotation of the Earth through the Pacific Ocean

Isn't the Earth turning to the West?

[Vasek]

Oops, I'm sorry, I hurried with a question!

[Korablev]

and rename "Vladivostok" to "Odessa"

[zanoza]

An interesting thing comes out .... to outbid, Russia is good! Not to outbid ... also not bad)

This is how our President interprets this to "our peace-loving Western partners": "The sanctions are mutually sharp!"
Newton’s third law states:
Action is equal to counteraction.

"A woman with a cart - it's easier for a mare."

[poquello]

Quote: zanoza

An interesting thing comes out .... to outbid, Russia is good! Not to outbid ... also not bad)

This is how our President interprets this to "our peace-loving Western partners": "The sanctions are mutually sharp!"

Double-edged is when both sides feel bad, but at the moment Macaque uses Europe as a glove to throw poop. Whether the glove gets or not is still in shit.

[dmitreach]

And who is Rasmussen? And with whom did you make a deal? His place near ...
Really push the story of forces only French prezik. And then in an ultimatum order, in relation to DCNS and other related products. But France is not a banana republic (not to such an extent a banana republic) his shipbuilders will send to Yukh and will not give money for the next elections ... He is not in a hurry to quarrel with his oligarchs. War is war, and politics is more expensive. Moreover, the fight is not his, but omerigashok with the Russians. And then the government had to be changed, according to the results of March ... and now there who rules the ball, in the government? Marine Lee Pen. For half a year, Ms. Li Pen will be able to defend a deal with the Russians? Will be in time. For she, in principle, with the Russians. Actually, you can intrigue only with the second ship. The first one is almost gone. So it goes...

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: dmitreach

Really can only be intrigued with the second ship

So after all, half of the second ship is at the Baltic shipyard in St. Petersburg. I don’t understand at all why the Americans made a fuss about the Mistrals.
So that Russia doesn’t get it, they’ll buy the ship’s floor from Russia, the circus on the dart-dart will not break.
Mind Russia is no longer relevant to understand, judging by America and Ukraine.
P.S. Yes, so that the Yankees at least a penny for the French just like that, I will not believe it when. They are not able to service their external debt, no matter what they do, but it is growing and growing.

[dmitreach]

saturn.mmm

So, after all, half of the second ship at the Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg is standing.

They are trying to calculate the topic of termination of the contract at a certain period of production. Like, according to the contract, Russia pays in stages ... and ... if you break the contract right here ... yesterday, then at what stage of payment and what are the costs of fines ... That is: it will substitute, but not so much with the finished product ... But this, in real life - does not happen.

Yes, so that the Yankees at least a penny for the French just like that, I will not believe it when

and who said that omerigunSSy will pay and help? banquet at the expense of the Allies - vassals.

[Sid.74]

And you have to return the stern !!! Let the paddles shoot yourself in both knees and sell two-thirds of the ship ground under our turntables and weapons to NATO !!!

[matross]

No guys! Since the Indians are against, it means good ships, we must take it!

[Vladimirets]

Quote: matRoss

Since the Indians are against, it means good ships, we must take it!

It's not about the ships, the Americans here are generally in chocolate, they lose nothing. As one friend of mine says: it’s good to tease a dog with someone’s horseradish, it’s funny and not painful.

[vsoltan]

You don’t need to take it, well, read it - they are not suitable for our northern waters, and I have no doubt that our engineers, having already a package of technical documentation, are able to build something similar, but suitable for us. Mistral is a Peryukovskaya scam, how much money did he lather, buying unnecessary and inappropriate equipment for Russia? And the Italian armored personnel carriers? So close it, definitely ...

[PSih2097]

Quote: vsoltan

Take it is not necessary, well, read - they are not suitable for our northern waters, and I have no doubt our engineers, having already a package of technical documentation, are able to build something similar, but suitable for us ...

The project was specially redone for us, so don’t need la-la ...
in addition to our sanctions against France, there will be sanctions from South Korea, which owns this shipyard, and there the figures are an order of magnitude higher.

[matross]

Quote: vsoltan

- they are not suitable for our northern waters

Well, they will walk in our southern!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Sid.74

And you have to return the stern !!! Let the paddles shoot yourself in both knees and sell two-thirds of the ship ground under our turntables and weapons to NATO !!!

Hi Zhenya.
I’ll tell you more, the feed was also not built from scratch, most likely the shipyard’s engineers have a complete drawing of the hull, in other words, in which case you can finish building the second half yourself, put in your own power plant ... due to the penalty that the French will pay.

[Sid.74]

Quote: And Us Rat

Hi Zhenya.
I’ll tell you more, the feed was also not built from scratch, most likely the shipyard’s engineers have a complete drawing of the hull, in other words, in which case you can finish building the second half yourself, put in your own power plant ... due to the penalty that the French will pay.

Greetings! It’s not clear, the documentation is French, and whoever gives us the rest, the question is with the copyright holder for this product, everything is patented and entirely belongs to the French! What if we have only one part of the ship’s documentation, it’s hard to even copy without the rest of the documentation! We are not Chinese to mindlessly copy everything from external photos! If we build from the stern, we will definitely get an icebreaker! Well, in general, all this is one such a big farce! They’ll build and pass it on I'm sure of it! It was the same with the rheinmetal which we are building the military base for the training ground! Merkel told us to finish it, the management of the rheinmetal sent Angela some money and continued to build! Nobody was losing money and image capital she doesn’t want because of the short-term leadership and not the eternal political vector! By the way, did you hear that Netanyahu decided to build a secure connection with GDP? All the same, the mysterious people are Jews, they always keep their nose in the wind! Vots, I think Israel nevertheless went to rapprochement with Moscow! Maybe in the East it will become calmer, well, God forbid!

The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSO) and the Office of the Prime Minister of Israel are starting negotiations on creating a direct encrypted connection between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

The agreement to start these negotiations was approved by the Russian government, agreed with the Russian Foreign Ministry and signed by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.

Any details regarding the reasons for the start of negotiations on this topic have not yet been published; official Jerusalem’s reaction to this document also does not yet exist.

http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti/2014/05/27/putin-budet-posilat-shif...

Now they will whisper in a straight line!

[Sergey S.]

Only McCain can squeeze the maximum image for Russia in any situation.

[Sid.74]

Quote: Sergey S.

Only McCain can squeeze the maximum image for Russia in any situation.

But what about Agent "Snowball" Obama? Don't forget the lieutenant colonel!

[sem-yak]

why jump through the rank? so far he has only received the major for the Crimea, a subfield for the southeast and not otherwise

[Vorodis_vA]

we concluded a stupid contract, if they refuse, then we will have profit and we will leave the contract ..

[vsoltan]

Not us, Serdyukov

[Gradus HuK]

They will not pay the penalty once the person who has more rights is right.

[vsoltan]

Under the contract - will be

[STEALS]

Quote: vsoltan

Under the contract - will be

They are like Ukraine - what is such an agreement ????

[STEALS]

Will not. Stupid pretend

[Andrew]

They will pay. There is nowhere for them to go, the French are not Ukrainians, they have something to lose.

[BYV]

Where are they going to go? Of course they will pay ....... years through 30, when several lawsuits end.

[Lord of the Sith]

The State Duma began preparing a law on the accession of eight regions of Ukraine

The Russian party of the LDPR intends to introduce a law to the State Duma in order to legally allow the introduction of troops into 8 regions of Ukraine - Lugansk, Donetsk, Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev, Zaporizhzhya, Dnipropetrovsk and Kharkov regions.

This is stated in the statement of the Liberal Democratic Party. The party claims that a certain "new territory called Novorossiya" is under constant pressure from the Ukrainian authorities.

"It is possible to seize part of the territories of these two regions (Luhansk and Donetsk) and the whole of Novorossia as a whole, eight territorial entities: Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Lugansk, Donetsk and Kharkiv regions," the Liberal Democratic Party said.

[vsoltan]

Yeah, how interesting - back in February Zhirik "threw out" the idea of ​​Crimea - Crimea happened ... in March - about the southeast .... happening ... now about 8 regions .... I don't know, he himself is or works for GRU - but I - with both hands FOR !!!

[Gav-111]

Lord of the Sith, and serves the bright side of power.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Sith Lord

The Russian party of the Liberal Democratic Party intends to introduce a law to the State Duma in order to legally allow the introduction of troops in 8 regions of Ukraine

If Zhirik was the president, then we would have returned Kiev. Or maybe not

[vsoltan]

Zhirik is a clown, and at the same time the most intelligent and educated person. For many years the party has been following the line, the latter, under the cover of absent foolishness, expresses the OPINION., In which case - but what to take from Zhirik, the opposition :-) and the screamer? The government departments are dismissing .... of course, he is working on the Great Russian idea ..... his whole image is nothing more than blasphemy, everything is much more serious ..... the last few months are a fuse of public opinion. And in this case - he is quite in his place, managed to use and use the power ... for which I also thank the authorities, sometimes capable of a reasonable

[Revolver]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

introduce a law to the State Duma

Making the law is a cheap trick and won't change anything. It seems like back in March a law was passed allowing the GDP to use force at its own discretion. If the situation allowed, the troops would already be there, and elsewhere. The Urkain army can barely cope with the militias, and even against the regular forces of the Russian Federation it will hold out, well, maybe several hours, and the main delay will be in the reception and registration of prisoners and trophies. Maybe someone here thinks that this cheap clown "son of a lawyer" is better informed than VVP, or is he better able to calculate the situation?

[vsoltan]

Yes, no one thinks so ... they think that he works for him

[Yun Klob]

But what about Khmelnitsky? There is a Turkish fortress.

[armageddon]

Hmm ... We finally PLACE ORDERS ... !!! Enough shipyards !!! We must build MORE ... For yourself !!!

[PSih2097]

Quote: Armagedon

Hmm ...We finally PLACE ORDERS ... !!! Enough shipyards!!! We must build MORE ... For yourself !!!

name WHERE can you place orders ???
and for what you build "YET", do you even know how much it costs to build a shipyard at least of the type of Nikolaev ChSZ or Shipbuilding Plant named after 61 Communards? and Severodvinsk? and Baltic?

[yur]

Quote: PSih2097

you generally know how much it costs to build a shipyard

Not more expensive than money. Do you know what impetus the construction of a huge plant would give to the country's economy? Plus security from all sorts of "partners" tricks.

[PSih2097]

Quote: yur

Quote: PSih2097

you generally know how much it costs to build a shipyard

Not more expensive than money. Plus security from all sorts of "partners" tricks.

Which is now absent and whether it will not be known ... Although it is possible to collect Ukrainians from your population as your Ukrainians.

And do you know what impetus the construction of a huge plant would give the country's economy?

And who does the oligarchs in our country need? At the moment, the state has no where to get money for construction ...

[vsoltan]

Exactly. Not only in the northern shipyards, but in Nikolaev! What are your doubts?

[PSih2097]

Quote: vsoltan

Exactly. Not only in the northern shipyards, and - in Nikolaev! What are your doubts?

That's when Nikolaev becomes part of the Russian Federation, then you will speak, but for now there is an Admiral Lobov RRC on the joke and small things are going with the BTR-4 ...

[vsoltan]

Well, you’re right, what a pessimist .... yes, all 9 regions will enter ... they will enter, sooner or later

[aleks 62]

Quote: PSih2097

Quote: Armagedon

Hmm ...We finally PLACE ORDERS ... !!! Enough shipyards!!! We must build MORE ... For yourself !!!

name WHERE can you place orders ???
and for what you build "YET", do you even know how much it costs to build a shipyard at least of the type of Nikolaev ChSZ or Shipbuilding Plant named after 61 Communards? and Severodvinsk? and Baltic?

.... Zaliv plant in Kerch .... Dry dock up to 250m ... And if we take into account that large ships are built in parts, and then dock afloat, then no problem ... At one time the first was built there. USSR supertanker "Crimea" (150 thousand tons) ... By the way, aircraft carriers were built in Nikolaev in the same way ...

[krpmlws]

It would be nice if the NATO bought Mistral. With money for the Mistral and forfeit, you can build shipyards for building normal aircraft carriers. Probably there would still be left for the construction of normal BDKs, maybe like I. Rogov.

[PSih2097]

Quote: krpmlws

It would be nice if the NATO bought Mistral. With money for the Mistral and forfeit, you can build shipyards for building normal aircraft carriers. Probably there would still be left for the construction of normal BDKs, maybe like I. Rogov.

it’s not necessary, you can’t build anything for the forfeit, shipyards are not only boxes of buildings with equipment (and ChSZ was estimated at $ 35-40 billion in its best years), it’s also workers with engineers who still need to be prepared and prepared. ..

[yur]

Quote: PSih2097

which still need to be cooked and cooked ...

The key word in your proposal is "must". Yes, it is necessary to train engineers and highly skilled workers. So this is wonderful! Otherwise, the country has only half-trained lawyers and "effective" managers. And about 35-40 billion "green". When Gazprom or Rosneft invests $ 50-80 billion in a project, then for some reason we applaud standing, and if $ 40 billion for a defense plant, why is it bad? Not logical.

[PSih2097]

Quote: yur

and if 40 billion at a defense plant, then why is it bad? Not logical.

I repeat, the state currently does not have the funds to build a shipbuilding plant similar to ChSZ on the territory of the Russian Federation, the maximum they can do is build additional capacities in Severodvinsk at Sevmash ...

[yur]

Quote: PSih2097

I repeat, the state currently does not have funds for the construction of a shipyard in the Russian Federation

The state has more than 500 billion dollars (gold and foreign exchange reserves) in the "storehouse" and supports the economy of our main enemy (yes, not a "partner", but an enemy). Plus government funds - development, generations, etc. - a few hundred billion more. So there is no need to talk about the lack of money, the state, patriotic will is really not enough.

[DMB87]

Young people ran away to work "as a simple engineer." Optimism is off the charts.

[vsoltan]

Here it is ... Authorship will not hurt Russia .... and we will build factories ourselves and we will grow engineers ..... moreover, this is not the first time

[svp67]

Quote: Clever man

An interesting thing comes out ..

But it is really VERY interesting.
Of the benefits:
1. We, according to the idea, due to forfeit, should get more than we spent ...
2. Our shipbuilders gained experience in the construction of the stern parts of ships of this type.
3. I am more than sure that our shipbuilders were at the French shipyard at the time of the "marriage" of the bow and stern, that is, they saw how the French do it, and this is the same experience.
4. Already now the crew of "Vladivostok" is undergoing training for a ship of this type, and they are being trained, in particular, by French specialists. That is, they share their experience.
Of the minuses:
1. We lose the finished ship.

But the French have some minuses and the main ones
1. It is necessary to return the money received, plus a penalty.
2. The ships are "sharpened" for Russian deck helicopters and landing and landing craft, and they are different from NATO ones, which means they need to be altered, unnecessary costs or drowned, depriving several thousand of their shipbuilders of work.
3. It is required to find a buyer ... and who is now ready to spend so much, the United States does not want to, they offer to "fold" NATO ...

[Fregate]

Quote: svp67

But the French have some minuses and the main ones
1. It is necessary to return the money received, plus a penalty.
2. The ships are "sharpened" for Russian deck helicopters and landing and landing craft, and they are different from NATO ones, which means they need to be altered, unnecessary costs or drowned, depriving several thousand of their shipbuilders of work.
3. It is required to find a buyer ... and who is now ready to spend so much, the United States does not want to, they offer to "fold" NATO ...

The French also have a minus in the fact that others will think about buying something from the French in view of the fact that they can do so. For example, in India, their Rafal won the tender, though I don't know whether they signed the contract or not. If not, then the Indians may also think about such "comrades", suddenly they will sell these planes to someone else at the last moment.

[vsoltan]

Gee-gee, NATO doesn’t buy the unfinished Mistrals, they don’t need to shit .... they will shake the carrots and throw fools-Frenchmen - and rightly so, not wanting to prostitute - I won’t give or not to you!

[mad]

Quote: Clever man

An interesting thing comes out .... to outbid, Russia is good! Not to outbid ... also not bad)

I wonder if you have to return the money, will the French admit that they have already "returned" to Serdyukov and K 2-3% of the transaction amount?

[mejik]

[media = https: //www.arewethere.yt/---/9726.htm] well and

[badandrew]

So it may turn out that having invested $ 1.2 billion, we can get, taking into account the forfeit, sickly annual%, Obama will then shoot himself for sure.

[Yura]

Here, it seems to me the point is not that they will not buy, they will not buy it, execute the contract. We can also tell the French that the Chinese want to buy back the amount of gas received by France under a contract from Russia, and therefore do not care about the contract simply because China so desires. This is one option, the second if it still happens i.e. they will simply outbid drown them when transferred to a place of permanent deployment, not defiantly, and complain about the fact that even the dead Bin Laden manages to carry out terrorist attacks. And it will be clear to everyone that it is impossible to violate this word between the states, and no one can say anything, in this situation the best option is to keep silent.

[khromin111]

most likely will be sold through third countries ....

[Basarev]

Whatever you say, Russia needs landing helicopter carriers. They will definitely increase the combat potential of the fleet. Of course, they’re not like the people of Ulyanovsk, but they have different tasks and weight categories. And the Mistrals fully cope with their tasks. So let the French build us ships. We will break all sanctions, and at the same time we will receive modern technologies.

[fyvaprold]

Quote: Clever man

! Do not outbid ... also not bad)

Outbid - just EXCELLENT! There were dirty rumors around the world that "Mistral" was the rarest of the go.vna varieties, bought by "the s.ionist Perdukov", either for a "bribe", or for natural "wretchedness".

[papavam62]

These ships (weapons of the first strike), in fact, Russia does not need! It was a political action. Show the rapprochement of the Russian Federation with France.

[dkflbvbh]

Quote: Clever man

An interesting thing comes out .... to outbid, Russia is good! Not to outbid ... also not bad)

Well said.

[BAT]

Ours have already reassured the very frustrated mattresses. it doesn’t hurt that we need your Mistals. But denyuzhki for these troughs and even with interest can be used to increase our defenses.

[STEALS]

And I already heard

[jekasimf]

Already got this topic. Chew, do not chew.

[MBA78]

France still need will chew on

[vladstro]

Yes, let them take away their unfinished dristals, they will give the money along with the forfeit as it should be under the contract, and that’s all, and we will help the militias in the southeast.

[0255]

Quote: vladstro

Yes, let them take away their unfinished dristals, they will give the money along with the forfeit as it should be under the contract, and that’s all, and we will help the militias in the southeast.

so can Obama allow them not to pay a penalty, what will the French do?

[sem-yak]

And we will close the valve closer to the cold weather, and they will not only give the penalty, but they will also forget the name Obama! Cold is not aunt - Cold is the uncle, the Five is the FROZ IVANYCH!

[Cherdak]

And you - Ah, Serdyukov so-and-so. And he is the spilled Nasserdamus! The seer looked ahead, the seer

[Landwarrior]

Well, with a black sheep, even for children on mittens

[Spnsr]

Quote: Cherdak

And you - Ah, Serdyukov so-and-so. And he is the spilled Nasserdamus! The seer looked ahead, the seer

I doubt that he looked, he was like that, a doll! so a person at a furniture factory, if he didn’t even see what he was signing ...

[vsoltan]

A thief should sit in jail

[gav6757]

It would be better if this Nasraldamus was a couple of five-year-olds, he would carry out his predictions in the chamber !!!

[ruton]

God nevertheless leads Russia away from these Mistrals.

[0255]

let him take the Su-35 away from the Chinese

[MBA78]

all that will not be done is all for the best

[homosum20]

Yes, let them take nafig. How many large landing complexes like Ivan Gren will we build with this money? a dozen or a half? Plus, we will raise the infrastructure for their construction. And then the Kaliningrad "Yantar" breathes in incense.

[gispanec]

Quote: homosum20

Yes, let them take nafig. How many large landing complexes like Ivan Gren will we build with this money?

following YOUR logic ... Ivan Gren has been building for 10 years and everything will not be built .... and money has already come out more than 600 million ... and Mistral costs 600 million .... so the mouth is off

[jovanni]

Put Clab-K on these grandmothers, and send them closer to the Indians.

[gispanec]

Quote: Jovanni

and make these grandmothers Clab-K, and send them closer to the Indians.

then grenades f1 are better ... and by Russian post directly to the State Department ...... how many schoolchildren are on the site ???? ... hopelessness ...

[PSih2097]

Quote: gispanec

Quote: Jovanni

and make these grandmothers Clab-K, and send them closer to the Indians.

then grenades f1 are better ... and by Russian post directly to the State Department ...... how many schoolchildren are on the site ???? ... hopelessness ...

No, why, on Cuba they would have looked quite so ... from Cuba to Florida, nothing at all ...

[Junior, I]

There, over a large puddle, they decided to punish the EU with money. Russia will only benefit from this, and the same for the money. But Europe will sit in a deep puddle. One of the countries will have to buy them laying out a round sum. Yes, and Russia to pay a penalty.

[andrei332809]

Well, they don't let Rasmussen calmly "serve"

[Vasyan1971]

This is Hollande's fork. Either bend under the overseas owner and rake in financial and image losses, or earn extra money for the good of France. Let's see what is more acceptable for the "Chief Guardian".

[Angro Magno]

Get out, Holland. We look forward to it.

[Barboskin]

Oh my God, how so ?! It turns out that they used to live shitty, and we will continue to live filthy.

[fox21h]

Quote: sichevik

To lay out $ 1,2 billion even for NATO is a serious matter.

This is the sum of the cost of the ships, but do not forget about the lawsuits, they will be an order of magnitude greater, so buy a good trip, and we will make five strategists for this money, and maybe more)

[Twice RUSSIAN]

Rasmussen will add his grandmothers to the ransom of the Mistrals from France, so that Putin would be spoiled.
I recall a story when he, as the Danish Prime Minister, recorded a private conversation with Putin and published this conversation without warning his interlocutor.

[sem-yak]

Eco difficult Our Vladimir decided to take revenge on the enemy! Tell me what a difficult combination! Ah well done, and how tactfully and consistently!

[Comintern]

Like Dristrali, a Russian person will come out of any situation with humor!

[Stepnyak]

men what about children from Slavyansk can be heard drove small to the Crimea who heard what

[sabakina]

As far as I fetch the information from an Internet-arrived. Prepare for shipping.

[B.T.V.]

About 200 people have already arrived in Artek.

[Vorodis_vA]

yes we got great, no one turned out to be

[arhip]

We arrived safely, only in Foros.

[Signaller]

How they squealed. It's just darkness. Named to them. "And he injects, and wants, and the mother does not order." Probably a refund of payment plus a penalty, for these grandmas we ourselves will do the same in a year.

[DMB3000]

we will build our compensation.

[Bobxnumx]

NATO does not have that much money, and the Americans will not participate. And so great - we will "wash" money, with a penalty and "trough" their they will take.

[Signaller]

But return the transferred documentation ????? This is a combination of three fingers. Chatter with a soft sign is written ???? As they say in Muscovy. So they will interrupt.

[Revolver]

Quote: Signaller

But return the transferred documentation ????? This is a combination of three fingers. Chatter with a soft sign is written ???? As they say in Muscovy. So they will interrupt.

And what? Originals can be returned, and a copy (or 2, or how much is put there) in the archive to leave, purely for order in office work. Let it gather dust. Maybe she’s in the archive and rot. And if necessary, you can blow off dust.

[propolsky]

Oh, and France will fly in for money! But America is not interested in the most interesting thing, to spoil everything there, but the fact that the French will eat some frogs for a whole year does not count.

[smart Fox]

no frogs in france. gobbled up. They are now being taken from the Far East. What will they eat when they pay us the forfeit?

[Gloria45]

France in this case will be obliged to pay huge penalties to Russia for failure to fulfill the contract.

Experts in an interview with RIA Novosti expressed that the United States, by its pressure, could add a headache to NATO and weaken France.

So this development is more beneficial for us. You can put on the stream:
conclude a contract like this, attach another "Crimea", get sanctions, ruin the contract, return the money + forfeit and weaken their enemies.
And calmly design your own boats.

[amavr]

Let them take it, we’ll build three frigates with this money. And for the amount of the fine - a couple more boats

[EvgenSuslov]

Well, let everyone throw off and buy the Mistals. We will give it back to you. They took 1,2 billion, we will sell for 2,1 billion the market, interest, lost profits, all according to the western rules of doing business. So gentlemen, turn out your pockets. And we will build ourselves)))

[kartalovkolya]

Well, that’s how the pockets will turn out, it’s more ours with you, as Gazprom is doing now! Well, what, and betraying the interests of your country has become almost the national sport of Russian officials!

[Navy7981]

Does anyone understand or know how these ships were going to be used?

[sabakina]

So I would like to know about this ...

[Sergey S.]

This is the most interesting question.
Initially, the project was intended to intimidate and service the overseas territories of France - to drive Papuans by helicopters and deliver the company to the coastal barracks with a certain chic.
We are going to strengthen the Red Banner Pacific Fleet with these ships.
We need to understand the Japanese for our military, it seems like the Papuans ...

But seriously, to ensure the Kuril garrisons in peacetime, these ships are quite suitable.

[Znayka]

Here I will argue with you ... The combat resistance of this "product" is zero ... Without an escort, in general, they can be sent anywhere only as a target.

[Vorodis_vA]

helicopter carriers ... such as air only helicopter

[Andreitch]

So the fact of the matter is that the Mistrals do not fit into the military concept of Russia. These ships, or rather troughs, are needed only for operations against the "banana republics", they (mistrals) are not even able to defend themselves, such floating coffins that any missile boat can sink!

[MAGGNUM]

Today, when I heard this news, I once again remembered Zadornov - "what are they STUPIDEEEE" Well, really, people! Well funny! How long Fashington will continue this circus, it's time to end. American clowns usss calm down already!
2 Mistrals are being built with us, technology has been transferred, well, rob NATO of 1.2 billion, please, they don’t have any money, it will be even less (ours is better). For the penalty, we ourselves will build another 2. And what to destroy our missiles, generally in FIG!

[gispanec]

Quote: MAGGNUM

For the penalty, we ourselves will build another 2.

do not write nonsense .... we will build 10 new ones on our own forfeit .... ashamed .... they will forgive us this forfeit ... and what will we do? .... apologize? or attack? ... nonsense ... it is necessary to take both Mistral ..... and this is a fact !!!

[ochakow703]

The ideal would be that the French would refuse to give up both helicopter carriers. The fact is that in Russia there is no infrastructure capable of servicing ships of this class, and this is a waste of resources. And by their intended purpose, they hardly meet the tasks of the fleet. In my opinion, albeit not professional, but sharpened by service in the USSR Navy, it would be better to build a couple of helicopter-carrying boxes of the "Moscow" and "Leningrad" type using the money raised from the penalty (the hull drawings have survived), but in a modern configuration. I think it would have turned out boxes ... lick your fingers. After all, who is Misral? This is an almost dumb barge carrying a contingent of marines and able to provide air defense, well, also a command ship. And remember the potential of "Leningrad". This is a full-fledged BOD with a developed air defense system, even by the standards of those ships, quite sufficient ... And if modern weapons are hung on those contours, on that hull ... it will be just a swallow, not a box. So let the NATO people buy a dummy with misrales and stuff them with whatever they want, it will be sooooooo profitable for them, and they will raise the degree of defense to an unprecedented height.

[KazaK Bo]

The ideal would be for the French to refuse to give back both helicopter carriers

Absolutely right! Unless to add, it is that the concept of using this type of ship is not provided for by our defense doctrine. Plus, the overall dimensions of the decks ... hangars ... underdecks ... the flooded docking room for amphibious assault boats do not correspond to the overall dimensions of our military equipment ... and the completion will require very big expenses from us ....

[gispanec]

Quote: KazaK Bo

the concept of using this type of ship is not provided for in our defense doctrine. Plus, the overall dimensions of the decks ... hangars ... underdecks ... the flooded docking room for amphibious assault boats do not correspond to the overall dimensions of our military equipment ... and the completion will require very big expenses from us ....

Well, what are you saying ... a reference to the studio on all of the above ... you just rave and do not own the information .... ashamed ..

[AndreyS]

Quote: KazaK Bo

The ideal would be for the French to refuse to give back both helicopter carriers

I agree with that! But:

Quote: KazaK Bo

Plus, the overall dimensions of the decks ... hangars ... underdecks ... the flooded docking room for amphibious assault boats do not correspond to the overall dimensions of our military equipment ... and the completion will require very big expenses from us ....

This is not a valid statement! You deeply respected KazaK Bo probably missed one important detail - the ships are being built adapted for Russia, with the installation of Russian weapons in Russia already!

[Dart2027]

Quote: ochakow703

a couple of helicopter-carrying boxes of the type "Moscow" and "Leningrad" (the drawings of the hull have been preserved), but in a modern configuration

As an engineer, I can say that hull design is just flowers, but ship saturation design is just the same berries ... In general, it’s easier to start from scratch - at least 6-8 years.

[Dimsanych]

Of course, now ours can build for these money and three similar BDKs, the Chinese will be able to build 5 in general, while they will also collect one from the remnants of the material. So where to get the project ?! We will buy them with the project documentation in order to build similar ones later. Like it or not, we do not have a similar technology yet. We have not built it yet. And this is not the most important thing. Most important is TIME! they are needed yesterday or even the day before yesterday. A bunch of BDK is involved in Syria, and we have so many fleets and seas, and almost no military transport. If ours starts building today, then they will finish the first year in 4, not earlier. Are we ready to wait so much? We are not ready to wash nichrome. Oh, we need new things. Of course, they get up a little expensive, but their benefits will not be small.

[gispanec]

Quote: DimSanych

Of course, now ours can build for these money and three similar BDKs, the Chinese will be able to build 5 in general, while they will also collect one from the remnants of the material.

but the Mexicans for the money 10 pieces rivet .... cheers !!! .... if you write nonsense !!!

[Korablev]

Yes, the benefits of them are very "big" - with a big bold minus sign, and you justify - why do we need BDK in Syria?

[chunga-changa]

Given how half-hearted decisions love GDP, they will most likely agree. We have one and part of the money. Maybe it's for the best. But in the west they are apparently racking their brains over another, just like the ships taking away and not giving money away.

[MAGGNUM]

easy, France will not go anywhere and will give us the money, but NATO can oblige France to give them ships for free, in exchange for their favorite "guarantees"

[parus2nik]

Apparently, the American members of the Congress decided that two Sevastopols for Russia at one historical stage are too much
Therefore, I recall an old story in the 80s of the 19th century, when relations between England and Russia were not so hot ... England was frightened by the information that Russia intends to strengthen its Black Sea fleet with fifteen new battleships, which will be named after the twelve apostles and three saints. ..And England protested, began to raise the international community to its feet .. Russia confirmed the construction of two battleships, not 15, "Twelve Apostles" and "Three Saints" ...

[konvalval]

Quote: MIKHAN

All against Russia .. Obama takes revenge! )))

But this passage is just in favor of Russia.

[mark2]

This will continue in the future. Now "mistrals" - okay, we would not really want to, let's say. or we ourselves can build something similar. Then there will be a blockade of technologies. Let's say we buy through third countries with an overpayment. What's next? And then only a direct clash in the political and military spheres. Russia was simply overlaid! And as always, it was expected and unexpected at the same time. As in 41. They knew that the Nazis would attack, and all the same they retreated for half a year. We will win. It is a fact. But we must do something now, and not be outside observers!

[capex1]

Well, firstly, what is America itself unable to redeem these Mistrals (external debt of 18 trillion dollars) ?! And secondly, if it weren’t for the crisis in Ukraine, NATU itself would probably have been bought out, for example, China itself (just kidding), they don’t have money to support their own pants, but here is Mistral ?! In short, I conclude that the stripes are degrading every day and it pleases !!!

[philip]

capex1

Unfortunately I can not agree with you

stripy degrading every day and it pleases !!!

not happy about the monkey in the open field with a defensive grenade, have you heard?

[Arh]

In any case, we tease NATO !!!)))

[MAGGNUM]

Yes, we are just rude to them !!!

[BOB044]

Yes, Russia can lead if NATO outbids. That fines and forfeits of the French will be in a panic. Obama like hell in a whirlpool twists everything twirls. But the bummer doesn’t matter to him. After all, the Mistrals are being made for our technology. NATO has a viral disease from Ukraine on its head.

[tomcat117]

Will Rasmussen outbid the Mistrals?

Anything can be expected from these cunning pedros ... remember the epic with contributions in Cyprus.
It is much more serious here, to get hold of the enemy Russia, you need to be a complete idiot.
Ukraine is learning the war of 2008 on the side of Georgia.
Draw gentlemen conclusions.
If there is such a decision, I personally (and many) in the next election will vote for GDP. I think that the retribution to the French for betrayal will come in this life!

[Korablev]

Do you think in this life you will wait for the next presidential election in Russia? It is unlikely that he is now there for life.

[kartalovkolya]

And where will he (Rasmussen) denyuzhek take that he will send all NATO gays to the panel? And so that they would give him money for a dubious project of inadequate Amer congressmen, then this is unlikely!

[dr.Bo]

Here are the rats fussing! Lol
Just a couple of years of sanctions and we have a new industry!

[tehnoluks]

Hai Abramovich will buy back, he loves big yachts. Actually, if you stuff modern weapons under the ceiling into this "mistral". "Death Star" will work!))) And what, that slow-moving and clumsy? As the saying goes, "the hippopotamus has poor eyesight, but with its mass, this is not its problem"

[novel68rus]

if it weren’t for the heart, no one would buy this crap ... they wanted to cut loot on them and no more .. why are they better than our ships?

[ARS56]

Not Serdyuk bought, but Medvedyuk. He specifically drove to Paris for this. The trough is defenseless, stupid and extremely expensive to maintain, because a package of oils, greases, etc., is imprisoned for NATO and could not be altered for us, so we still need to make a special supply ship according to NATO standards and buy their oils, lubricants, etc. for life.
If only sanctions would help get rid of misrals.

[buser]

I wonder how I.N.F. Also frightened Maidan?

[Des10]

France in this case will be obliged to pay huge penalties to Russia for failure to fulfill the contract.
I would like to know --- WHAT?

[Wiruz]

If I'm not mistaken, then something is about 80% of the contract amount. Approximately one billion euros is obtained.

[gandalf]

To lay out $ 1,2 billion even for NATO is a serious matter.

More ... not only cost, but also forfeit, reputation costs, other kinds of compensation for lost profits ...

They will not buy in the end, because ships are being built with changes for the Russian specifics, in terms of armament and technical component. Other countries with such changes do not need ships. Because to change them, you need to invest another billion 2-2.5 to change the internals for weapons, equipment, etc. + buy all this for the ship.

Therefore, the amount required to purchase a ship for use grows to ~ 4.5-5 billion.
If you buy in order to give for scrap, then 2-2.5bn, but this is money in the trash.

So what kind of idiot decides to throw away that kind of money?

[3vs]

You can sell for $ 2 billion.

[Everest2014]

Let it outbid, the French will pay a penalty due to the failure of the contract

[Giant thought]

They called on to call, but did not give money.

[Arkuda]

Legally, they cannot outbid, because "The President of the USC estimated the share of the Russian side in the creation of the first ship at 20%, for the second - 40%, for the third - 60%, for the fourth - 80%." Unless, of course, France turns a blind eye to the terms of the contract, under which it will incur losses, in other words, NATO can compensate them.

[DMB-75]

Let them choke! We’ll build it ourselves and provide people with our work. And we will return the grandmother.

[Nasty pirate]

And who knows, can we build the Mistrals ourselves without the permission of France, or do we need a production license?

[Arkuda]

You can go the Chinese way, the benefit of the teacher is now).

[armageddon]

Hmm ... It’s even better to build it yourself !!! But THIS TIME ... BUILT it would be nice to pick up ... !!!

[not main]

Quote: NastyPirate

And who knows, can we build the Mistrals ourselves without the permission of France, or do we need a production license?

Do we need him? That is the main question!

[znour]

Quote: non-primary

Do we need him? That is the main question!

Yes, sure. We simply do not have an analog ship. Introductory: Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky was hit by an earthquake, followed by a powerful tsunami strike. Many wounded and hypothermic. Which ship of the Russian Navy can gather people in 16 helicopters and deliver them immediately on board, transferring the wounded immediately to the hospital on board?

[patriot-rf]

Quote: znour

Yes, sure. We simply do not have an analog ship. Introductory: Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky was hit by an earthquake, followed by a powerful tsunami strike. Many wounded and hypothermic. Which ship of the Russian Navy can gather people in 16 helicopters and deliver them immediately on board, transferring the wounded immediately to the hospital on board?

Unless, of course, from this point of view, then yes you need. And if with the military?

[legionary]

If I’m not mistaken, under an agreement with Turkey, none of the parties has the right to deploy ships such as aircraft carriers in the Black Sea.

[Nasty pirate]

Kuznetsov was based in Sevastopol. There is some kind of agreement on the non-nuclear status of the Black Sea, although I do not know how officially it is.

[legionary]

"Kuznetsov" was not based, but was built in the Black Sea, or rather in the present-day Uraine city of Nikolaev.

[legionary]

TAKR “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov”.

[Angro Magno]

Can give him a bribe to outbid?

[andrey903]

Buy it yourself

[Sinri]

Something in the USA has fallen in love with these Mistrals... Maybe the ships aren’t so bad after all? Why else would Americans be so worried?

[Wiruz]

Take the old forgotten project "Ivan Tarawa" and modify it. In addition, as far as I know, all technical documentation for the Mistrals was transferred to Russia, and in cases of termination of the contract on the initiative of the French side, the documentation cannot be returned. Cross "Ivan Tarava" with Mistral and voila - yum!

[Mexanik k-407]

Quote: Cherdak

And you - Ah, Serdyukov so-and-so. And he is the spilled Nasserdamus! The seer looked ahead, the seer

Yes, Zatsu was just lucky, he got away with the case and the Mistrals will forgive the campaign...

[father nikon]

Will Rasmussen outbid the Mistrals?
Rasmussen and Co. will be left without pants, and Russia will only benefit!

[Mikros]

I propose to negotiate with the French and sell the Mistrals to the Amers for GOLD at an increased price

[Vasquez]

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Let them take the Mistrals!
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[Palych9999]

let them put a public toilet next to Brussels and make it for themselves

[Atoll]

How good! Let him outbid. A worthless, militarily insignificant ship for Russia, the idea of ​​which was born in Perdyukov’s schizophrenic brain! God grant that the paddling pools refuse to sell it to us!!!
So they will sell them, the Euro-thimbles, unless the GDP goes down!

[Korablev]

Why is this “going away”? he will continue to remain silent

[dr.Bo]

There is no need to be afraid of sanctions! Sorry for wasted time!

[Everest2014]

Quote: Mikros

I propose to negotiate with the French and sell the Mistrals to the Amers for GOLD at an increased price

The idea is great and the main thing can be repeated until the states start laying roads with Mistrals

[tehnoluks]

A little off topic, but:

Rosselkhoznadzor introduced a temporary ban on the import of pigs from the USA

I would like to know all the banned pigs by name.

[tinibar]

Indeed, if they outbid, we’ll save the money and save the fleet from a wretched trough, and if they don’t outbid, we’ll soon get a ship (sooner than we build it ourselves) of which at least the dill and the Turks will be afraid

[Ramzaj99]

Yes, they won’t buy anything....there’s a problem with the money, all of Europe is now one big, big loser!

[KBPC50]

Quote: UFO

"Shut up, shameful Europe
And do not pump your rights.
You are just an ass in Russia,
And you think it's a head. "
F. Tyutchev 1867
150 years have passed, but what has changed? !!!

Nothing! One Mr. Charles de Gaulle sent the Americans along with their candy wrappers and took his gold! Nothing else has changed!!!

[Anchonsha]

The Americans are giving headaches to their NATO partners. In essence, Russia will not lose anything, since in essence these Mistrals are not needed, since we are not going to conquer anyone, like the Americans. Well, maybe we’d get some new technologies, although it’s unlikely to be anything from electronics. So there's nothing to worry about

[stranik72]

This would be a good thing for Russia at the moment.

[Yozhas]

It's all crap! They won’t buy anything. When these helicopter carriers were laid down, the design took into account the peculiarities of operation in Russia. In particular, the engines are different and, accordingly, the fuel for them is different. Our fuel differs from that of the tuberous fuel, and there are many peculiarities.

[Augustswsw]

Eh.. if only they would crush Rasmusen and buy these troughs...

[Juborg]

The feeling in connection with this disgrace is twofold. On the one hand, the Russian Federation gets rid of ballast, which is very expensive and of dubious need, and even with hemorrhoids of maintenance and spare parts. Plus a full refund of what was paid, a very tangible compensation. On the other hand, the Russian Federation, by order, wants to abandon some senators who imagine themselves to be the navel of the earth at the whim. The lost time is also upsetting. But the good news is that we nevertheless received certain technologies, and with the returned money, the Russian Federation can build a strong fleet (according to experts, there are a lot of things, and without taking money from the Russian budget)

[1536]

And I’m wondering why this Reismusen looks so dumbfounded, as if he had eaten too much henbane or swallowed a stake. It turns out that he has been wondering for a long time where to put these helicopter carriers, because there is clearly no place for them - everywhere in Europe there is private ownership of land and water, but his own plot is tiny and there is no money. The guy got caught. I thought it was so easy to make friends with African Americans. But no.

[Grishka cat]

The unfortunate de Gaulle and Pompidou are now turning over in their graves, and Hollande is licking the ass of the United States. Complete degradation of French foreign policy. Complete moral decay and loss of face.

[mgfly]

In my opinion, it will be great if France is still accused of violating the contract.
-step one: they will pay us like for the heels of the Mistrals
-step two: this money can be allocated for modern frigates (they also have helicopters))) and the latest submarines, after all, our naval doctrine was and, it seems, is being built on them.
so my opinion is that we screw the Mistrals, our landing craft are enough for us, and if this money is spent not on construction, but on the development of new landing irons, it will be even better!

[Grishka cat]

And then what will they buy for, since they still have to pay for gas for Ukraine!

[Yellow white]

Guys, I’m certainly not an expert on this issue and not a politician, but my opinion on this issue:
- how the Tatars in Zelenodolsk quickly “rivet” the Buyans (WELL DONE) and in general the military-industrial complex seems to have gone uphill, I think even Liechtenstein should buy them out and fuck with them themselves!
Mistral is clear pepper is not an RTO, it will take much more time to commission, not to mention build, but our industry can’t even do that!!
If there were orders from the state, there would be people and desire.

Again, like ours, they build to last!
Over there in the north is a submarine production plant, almost a hundred years ago, instead of a foundation there are piles of larch and even henna

[gispanec]

Quote: Black and White

Guys, I'm certainly not an expert on this issue.

Well, if you’re not an expert, then you shouldn’t talk nonsense....

[Vitaly Anisimov]

If the staff members are against the purchase of Mistrals by Russia... then you need to buy them! A trough is not a trough, but a lot of things can be placed on them.. And dollars will soon turn into pieces of paper...

[morprepud]

In the words of one of the Russian poets on this “policy” from the Pentagon:

Russia rises from its knees
Ivan Ivanov 211
Poles, Swedes, Germans and French
Sometimes teeth broke off about us.
Today we are not new to argue with Europe:
The last word is not said here.

We lost the cold war
And the appetites of the West leaped ...
You brought us to shame -
Europe, wait now for a rebuff.

Want to see us as enemies?
God forbid you fight with us!
It is time for a change:
Russia rises from its knees.

When a mine was planted under us,
We reached Paris and Berlin.
And contrary to Pentagon threats
We can reach Lisbon.

America, no need to plot
And fan the flames of discord around the world.
I’ll tell you from the heart, and not from the service:
Let's live not in hostility, but in friendship.

[shelva]

It turned out that Russia and the Mistrals had a win-win option, while the Americans, NATO members, ESS members and especially the French had a win-win option.

[advice]

Quote: Good

Obama is a stupid Kenyan monkey! He is not a politician. His sanctions are ridiculous. Even in the USA they already realized that he was a worthless person.

Really "Kind"

[marder4]

along the way, France for anyone in the air - either pay us fines, or get hit in the neck from the mattress covers

[gispanec]

Quote: marder4

France for anyone in the air - or pay us fines

If they don’t install it, it means they spit on us...and the conclusion is????????? -So they don’t even care about fines....how to collect a fine?...by decision of the Basmanny court??..and we won’t win in the European court

[ROD VDVshny]

Quote: Atol

A worthless, militarily insignificant ship for Russia, the idea of ​​which was born in Perdyukov’s schizophrenic brain! God forbid that the paddling pools refuse to sell it to us!!! So they will sell them, the Euro-thimbles, if only the GDP doesn’t give up!

I’ll try to justify the Mistral from the point of view of WHO WENT TO LANDING...even if it wasn’t on the sea coast.
The helicopter carrier is capable of providing fire support to the landing force not only in the landing zone... but also to block roads along which enemy reserves can approach, work on artillery batteries, etc., in other words, ensure the work of three or four pairs in the interests of the landing force. Together with the work of the naval artillery of the covering group, this will mean a lot. At a nearby aircraft station, the spent helicopters will pump fuel, load the ammunition, and go back to work. The wounded and 200x are evacuated there (well, there are no wars without this), ammunition, water, and grub are thrown from there.
As far as I remember from 08.08.08, the landing ships went to the Georgian coast under cover... and it was the small missile escort cruiser that destroyed the attacking boats. Why then send Mistral alone?
Hey, it’s sad and sad to lie with your nose to the ground when a couple of helicopters have used up their BC and left, and the next one will come in 20 minutes... and you can’t raise your head.
No infrastructure? Create. The ships will have combat use.

[ti_rex76]

Of course, I firmly understand that we can’t show our bearish grin, so as not to increase the bloodshed that has already begun... but, damn it, I really want to break at least the Dogs.

[zulus222]

let them take it. It’s better to re-equip the submarines with this money!

[Saratovets]

On June 6, Putin is supposed to take part in the celebration of the Allied landing day in Normandy, I’m wondering if it’s time for him to leave??? otherwise, by the time the tanks arrive, there’s still the Vistula, Oder and Rhine to cross))))

[citizen-kg]

At least we could buy this Vasilyevs-Serdyukov “miracle work”... we’ll also cut money from the paddling pools from the useless watercraft. ready to send McCain a greeting card. and for the Husseinovich lamb - a box of bananas.

[Nikxnumx]

Relatives also support BAMU.

[navara399]

Why do we need these landing coffins? Spy on all their systems, design documentation is available. Let them take it all. At least some benefit from the black child, our money will return, it will be possible to direct it to really worthwhile items of expenditure on weapons. Adya paddling pools.

[Riperbahn]

Somehow it seems to me that for our money we are just getting empty buckets. Well, there is the hull, engines and propulsion systems, ship systems, life support and safety. Everything without which a ship will not go to sea. The highlight is electronic combat systems. They will not be supplied to us along with the tubs. And we build the buildings and everything else ourselves. Or we’ll order it in Finland at the very least.

[gispanec]

Quote: Riperbahn

Somehow it seems to me that for our money we are just getting empty buckets.

be baptized when it seems... since you don’t understand what the point is and why these ships are needed

[Riperbahn]

I am baptized - I am Orthodox. And you can see that you are crossing yourself in the other direction - you can see the great Magellan!

[Riperbahn]

I see we have new additions to the company of great strategists and Magellans.

[valery954]

We are in a winning situation and we are satisfied with any development of the situation, since we can do without the Mistrals. It will be almost impossible to find another buyer for them. Let the West “twitch” and “let off steam”, when the French and NATO members make their calculations and calculate their possible losses from the failure of the deal - there will be only one option left: to sell to Russia.

[Barakuda]

Quote: matRoss

No guys! Since the Indians are against, it means good ships, we must take it!

Yes, not really good ones, we don’t have time to design and build our own...

[Barakuda]

The paddling pools are not going anywhere, they will be sold and built as expected, this is business, not politics in this case. But the ships are needed, not great, but Russia simply doesn’t have time, it’s easier to buy.. But where it doesn’t have time, that’s the question?

[homosum20]

Won't Andrew's pocket get torn?

[drujba]

Russia doesn’t have such ships yet (they don’t need them, I don’t know), but they will build roads themselves. I think we don't care. The money has been paid, it’s gone... think for yourself what to do with it.

[Serg93]

Quote: Good

Our ancestors are bears !!!

In hats with earflaps)))

[Gomel]

Türkiye will buy

news from last year:

Türkiye ordered a landing ship similar to the Mistral
http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/flot/4464-1.html

As far as I remember, Türkiye is a NATO member??? hehe... so that's who Sevastopol will go to...

[Lord of the Sith]

The administration of Russian President Vladimir Putin has registered an appeal from the leadership of the LPR about the deployment of Russian peacekeeping forces.

[Beccer]

Under this topic, we could also pay off the gas debt for Ukraine so that we would choke.

[Sedoy13]

Quote: matRoss

No guys! Since the Indians are against, it means good ships, we must take it!

I'm willing to argue with that. And I'm not alone. Almost all military analysts unanimously insist that our fleet has absolutely no need for such large landing craft. Unless the top generals are sent on cruises to the ocean. The price-quality ratio does not stand up to criticism - firstly. Secondly, even after the complete delivery of these beautiful airliners by our French contractors to our Navy, we will still have to completely remake their electronics to our standards, and we will also have to strengthen the air defense. As a result, a fabulous investment in exchange for the dubious purpose of these ships as part of our fleet. In a word, all these are just sweet dreams of our dearly “beloved” Serdyukov.

[znour]

Quote: Sedoy13

Almost all military analysts unanimously insist that our fleet has absolutely no need for such large landing craft.

Fighting is not for analysts, but for Marines. Mistral Marines wait and lick their lips. And they will be very upset if the Mistrals do not come.

[Ivan Vasilievich Grozny]

Obama probably wants to transport liquefied natural gas to Europe on these ships... Otherwise, why does he need 2 such large ships?.. Blacks are no longer transported from Africa to America by force, there are already so many of them there... Well, you can just use them let them sink to the bottom - so - out of spite.... In short, anything, so long as Russia doesn’t get it.... But in general, I think the paddling pools will strangle themselves to give away their money and pay a penalty... It’s not for nothing that Oland is gathering Putin in Normandy and Obama together..Surely they will discuss this issue too.

[Sergey Medvedev]

Yes, let them take their Mistrals and return the money. The main point here is that the United States is putting pressure on Europe with the Ukrainian crisis. And the mistrals are one of the elements of this mosaic.