Tornado for Kazakhstan

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According to the lenta.ru, The United Shipbuilding Corporation responded to a request from the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, which plans to purchase ships for the naval forces in the Caspian Sea, by proposing to the Kazakh side small artillery ships of the 21632 Tornado project.

Tornado ships for the Kazakh Navy can be equipped with Grad-M A-215 multiple launch rocket systems, Uran-E or Yakhont anti-ship missiles, Gibka anti-aircraft missile systems, and 14.5 mm machine guns and artillery 100 caliber settings mm.

It is noted that the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan should decide on the purchase of "Tornado" in the near future. The representative of the Kazakh Navy, Captain Zhandarbek Zhanzakov, also reported on negotiations with seven foreign enterprises.

The companies offered thousands of tons of displacement from 500 to 1.7 to the military of Kazakhstan, equipped with various sets of weapons. Along with the USC, the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan is considering proposals from the Chinese company Poly Technologies, the Turkish Istanbul Naval Shipyard Command, the South Korean STX, the German Lurssen and the Dutch Damen Shipyard.

It is worth noting that 25 of May 2014 was signed a memorandum of understanding between the Kazakhstan company Kazakhstan Engineering and the Chinese Poly Technologies.

At the moment, Kazakhstan is holding a tender for the construction of a new shipyard near the port of Aktau in the Caspian Sea, which will be engaged in the construction of civilian ships and warships.
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  1. Andrenaline
    Andrenaline
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    30 May 2014 11: 24
    Strengthen your friends! good
    1. Gxash Rank
      Gxash
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      30 May 2014 11: 25
      All right!
      This is not only economic, it is a political and military alliance. That was said yesterday.
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        1. Bodrov
          Bodrov
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          30 May 2014 11: 33
          That's right, we need to develop our military industry, there is nothing to buy weapons abroad, the more likely the enemy ..
      2. Apollo Rank
        Apollo
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        30 May 2014 11: 33
        quote-According to lenta.ru, the United Shipbuilding Corporation responded to a request from the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, which plans to purchase ships for the naval forces in the Caspian Sea, offering the Kazakh side small artillery boats of the 21632 Tornado project.
      3. Ingvar 72 Rank
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        30 May 2014 11: 34
        Well, there are no potential enemies in the Caspian. Unless Azerbaijan gravitates to Turkey. Although a good club always does not hurt. Just in case. hi
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          1. Gxash Rank
            Gxash
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            30 May 2014 11: 39
            Yeah ... Ukraine has clearly demonstrated this in its own skin. Do not pay attention to the army for 23 years - you yourself know what this will lead to!
        2. Vitaly Anisimov Rank
          Vitaly Anisimov
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          30 May 2014 11: 37
          Kazakhstan finally stirred ...))) On the Army, saving yourself more expensive .. hi
        3. Beck
          Beck
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          30 May 2014 12: 22
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Unless Azerbaijan gravitates to Turkey.


          Azerbaijan gravitates towards Turkey as well as Turkey towards Azerbaijan not because of something bad to be done to someone. They gravitate towards each other as fraternal peoples, one Turkic root of origin, one linguistic tree, one history of origin in the past.

          And Kazakhstan gravitates to Turkey and Turkey gravitates to Kazakhstan. And for normal people, not terriers, this does not cause any negative.

          In the 10th century, the Turks of the territory of present-day Kazakhstan, from the lower Syr-Darya and Amu-Darya (in ancient times the region was called Khorezm), took off from their homes and went west. They fought and fought through battles in Iran and Transcaucasia, ousted the Arabs of the Middle East, stung the Byzantine empire and settled in Anatolia (present-day central and eastern Turkey). And in 1452 they completely defeated Byzantium.

          For all these centuries, the Turks have prevented their blood with the Iranians, with the Arabs, with the peoples of Transcaucasia, with the Greeks, with the Slavs of the Balkans. This cross of blood gave that anthropological appearance to modern Turks.

          And Turk is a Europeanized pronunciation of the word Turk.
        4. Bersaglieri Rank
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          30 May 2014 13: 50
          Iran. He is quite unpredictable.
          1. Dazdranagon Rank
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            30 May 2014 16: 20
            Quote: Bersaglieri
            Iran. He is quite unpredictable.
            - I do not agree with you. With respect to Russia, the United States and Israel, he behaves consistently! hi
        5. Ascetic Rank
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          30 May 2014 14: 22
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Well, there are no potential enemies in the Caspian. Unless Azerbaijan gravitates to Turkey. Although a good club always does not hurt. Just in case.


          it is the Caspian with the unregulated status of the Caspian Sea and its borders that is a time bomb. Iran did not refuse to grab a piece fatter than it was with them during the Soviet era. When the winged words of Emperor Alexander 3 are often repeated Russia has only two allies: the army and the navy.tolerantly silent about continuing- the rest will betray us sooner or later. But they will betray you as soon as the state becomes weak. This is a universal axiom that applies to all countries if they want at least neighbors in the region to be considered with them.
      4. 1812 1945 Rank
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        30 May 2014 12: 34
        Quote: Gxash
        All right!
        This is not only economic, it is a political and military alliance. That was said yesterday.

        And the faster these contracts are filled with real content - the better! The supply of Russian warships is a step in the right direction.
      5. Aldo Rank
        Aldo
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        30 May 2014 12: 52
        it just wasn’t what to lie that?
    2. armageddon Rank
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      30 May 2014 11: 50
      Hmm ... Want Peace-Get Ready for WAR ... !!!
      1. Kasym Rank
        Kasym
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        30 May 2014 15: 53
        "Yakhont" is unlikely, because Russia in the Caspian Sea is selling Uran-E to everyone. Yakhont is too powerful and long-range.
        Kazakhstan, in my opinion, has one of the weakest navies in the Caspian, mainly coastal boats. protection - the poachers are chased. And there are no particular opponents. Iran itself is looking for allies, they have no time for a war with us. And I don't really see any reason to militarize the Caspian. A maximum of 4 Tornado-class ships, I think that's enough. But on paper this Tornado is good, for the Caspian Sea it is good. Interestingly, is it in service with Russia? They kind of wanted to build a few for themselves. hi
        1. avt Rank
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          30 May 2014 19: 06
          Quote: Kasym
          ... And I don't really see any reason to militarize the Caspian. Maximum 4 ships of the "Tornado" class,

          hi A pair in the IAC version and a pair of RTOs, optimally, can also be used for border guards in the patrol version, then it is cheaper to operate.
          Quote: Kasym
          But on paper, this Tornado is good, for the Caspian what is needed. Interestingly in the arsenal of Russia it is? They kind of wanted to build a few pieces for themselves.

          Yes, the series started, for a long time a couple of MACs with "Grad" and RTOs have already fired with the main caliber, new ones are on the way and have already been laid for the Black Sea Fleet. They say 4 more are being prepared to contract. We can distill the Baltic.
  2. yulka2980
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    30 May 2014 11: 32
    But what doesn’t suit Russia anymore? Or is it cheaper in China?
    1. subbtin.725 Rank
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      30 May 2014 11: 50
      Quote: yulka2980
      But what doesn’t suit Russia anymore? Or is it cheaper in China?

      Healthy competition, this is normal. So there is something to work on.
    2. Andrey KZ Rank
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      30 May 2014 14: 15
      Quote: yulka2980
      But what doesn’t suit Russia anymore? Or is it cheaper in China?

      Kazakhstan is now trying to organize production (well, at least assembly) at home. I think that when deciding on the purchase of certain ships, the determining factor will be the possibility of organizing production on our territory. Russia could meet us if we are allies.
    3. Andrey KZ Rank
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      30 May 2014 14: 31
      Quote: yulka2980
      But what doesn’t suit Russia anymore? Or is it cheaper in China?

      Kazakhstan is now trying to organize production at home. I think that when buying certain ships, the determining factor will be the possibility of production in our territory. Russia could go to meet Kazakhstan in this matter, since we are allies.
    4. Kasym Rank
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      30 May 2014 16: 12
      yulka2980. Yes, we have our own facilities, the Zenith plant. But he will not pull such a class, there boats and the Urals have become shallow, they cannot be dragged through. As far as I know, ours are especially in no hurry. And it may so happen that they will wait until new shipyards are built. Or maybe some of the ships will be given to the designer to build, and some to themselves - a well-known practice. "Brotherly", as they say.
      It’s expensive to build in China and drag here. From the Pacific Ocean to the Black Sea, and then through the canals. To the Chinese, perhaps the shipbuilding-shipyard is better than the Russian one. Then with ammunition torment. Moreover, the RCC is better than Soviet-grown ..
      There were still options with the purchase of ship projects, and build at home.
      1. siberalt Rank
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        30 May 2014 18: 29
        And what is already the Black Sea-Caspian channel? Is it really through Elbrus itself? laughing
      2. siberalt Rank
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        30 May 2014 18: 29
        And what is already the Black Sea-Caspian channel? Is it really through Elbrus itself? laughing
        1. Beck
          Beck
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          30 May 2014 19: 23
          Quote: siberalt
          And what is already the Black Sea-Caspian channel? Is it really through Elbrus itself?


          You are again with your freaks. It’s not enough that you sat in a puddle with Slavic generals in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kazakhstan.
  3. Anchonsha Rank
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    30 May 2014 11: 38
    The policy in acquiring weapons from Kazakhstan is independent of Russia, as I understand it. Not entirely clear here. Well, you can’t order another country, this is the business of Kazakhstan.
  4. avt Rank
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    30 May 2014 11: 40
    Fine . So the Crimean shipbuilding needs to be fully utilized and at the same time at the Black Sea Fleet to update the corresponding crew.
  5. Lyubimov Rank
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    30 May 2014 11: 42
    I used to laugh out loud at the word "Kazakhstani Army", now, of course, I don’t feel much respect, but I really hope that it will sound proudly!
    1. Apollo Rank
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      30 May 2014 11: 47
      Not in the subject but

      The first "Ash" will be transferred to the Navy 17 June
      The main multipurpose nuclear submarine of the 885 project “Severodvinsk” (code “Ash”), which is in trial operation, will be handed over to the Russian Navy on June 17.
      http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/5/30/689204.html
  6. moremansf Rank
    moremansf
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    30 May 2014 11: 45
    We hope that the support from Kazakhstan in international politics will become more tangible !!!!
  7. Lesorub Rank
    Lesorub
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    30 May 2014 11: 48
    The right vector - Kazakhstan is our strategic ally! Yes, and ships of the project 21632 "Tornado" is an excellent variant for strengthening the Navy of Kazakhstan.
  8. subbtin.725 Rank
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    30 May 2014 11: 48
    Even if they don't order from us, it's still good. Aggressive "small", "YAKHONT" - this is already serious.
    1. Ingvar 72 Rank
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      30 May 2014 11: 55
      Quote: subbtin.725
      is good anyway.

      What good? request
  9. Palych9999
    Palych9999
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    30 May 2014 11: 49
    The armament of such small ships deserves respect.
    Such, with "tornado" are needed for the border guards of the Navy and on the Black Sea and the Baltic
    1. igor36 Rank
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      30 May 2014 12: 12
      Quote: Palych9999
      Such, with "tornado" are needed for the border guards of the Navy and on the Black Sea and the Baltic

      Why are the border guards? This is a strike ship. Border guards are more important than the landing pad for the helicopter. Excellent ships of projects 22460 "Rubin", 22120 "Purga" and boats 12200 "Sobol" are being built for the coast guard.
  10. TURKISH Rank
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    30 May 2014 12: 10
    At the moment, Kazakhstan is holding a tender for the construction of a new shipyard near the port of Aktau in the Caspian Sea, which will be engaged in the construction of civilian ships and warships.
    For a long time, the company will eliminate Kazakhstan’s dependence on imports in the field of shipbuilding, and will modernize the Caspian flotilla. The construction of such a plant will demonstrate the economic power of Kazakhstan and its leading positions in all areas, plus 3000 jobs excluding subcontractors, and with a capacity of 30000 tons of metal per year, work for 50 years is provided. I think that Singapore will participate in the tender; they are good shipbuilders, all the more recently, the trend in trade and economic relations between them has been growing positively, and I think Russia will help military and technical issues, taking into account allied relations, and the plant’s products will be out of competition. I wish good luck to the Kazakhs and prosperity.
  11. Giant thought Rank
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    30 May 2014 12: 10
    The point, of course, is to choose Kazakhstan people. But for them, it seems, it is more profitable to deal with Russia than with any other country.
  12. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx
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    30 May 2014 12: 12
    Nazarbayev began to look too painfully often towards the Celestial Empire ...
    1. TURKISH Rank
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      30 May 2014 12: 21
      Look around you, see how many Chinese goods are around you and don’t forget about the keyboard on your computer)) and then ask yourself a question, are you attracted to China or not?)))
    2. Andrey KZ Rank
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      30 May 2014 14: 24
      I read your comment, and the gas contract for 400 Lard immediately came to mind.
  13. KG_patriot_last Rank
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    30 May 2014 12: 20
    We at Issyk-Kul also need a pair of such ships. To repel the attacks of China / Uyghur / Osh / Uzbekistan or the wrong Tajiks from Afghanistan wassat
    1. Andrey KZ Rank
      Andrey KZ
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      30 May 2014 14: 20
      Quote: KG_patriot_last
      We at Issyk-Kul also need a pair of such ships. To repel the attacks of China / Uyghur / Osh / Uzbekistan or the wrong Tajiks from Afghanistan wassat
      Yes, no, ride tourists, I would ride on this.
      1. Kasym Rank
        Kasym
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        30 May 2014 21: 37
        Still there submarine project Typhoon. wink And Kyrgyzstan is a great nuclear power, tremble adversary !!! wassat.
        Andrey, do not forget, there are torpedoes "float", do not catch it by accident. If you leave Kyrgyzstan without a navy, then the Kyrgyz of the Kazakhs will be registered as enemies and will descend from their mountains. angry We just did not get it. Better peace, friendship and drinks on Issyk-Kul. For me personally, there is nothing better in the world than a vacation there.
  14. raven75 Rank
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    30 May 2014 12: 41
    Kazakhstan ... It seems like a normal people, "loving" the Fritzes, democracy, etc. which has been proven more than once. And now, what ... China has long since disintegrated the USSR, from the monstrous overpopulation licks its lips to new territories. To fight with Russia ... You know, whatever they say about the China-puppy, the puppy is pissed. What is against Russia, what is against the United States. All stolen smartphone technology is not worth fifty years of nuclear race. And now he is trying to get into Kazakhstan. It is unlikely that he will be allowed, but he is trying.
    1. Zymran Rank
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      30 May 2014 13: 18
      Quote: raven75
      Kazakhstan ... It seems like a normal people, "loving" the Fritzes, democracy, etc. which has been proven more than once.


      In what sense?
  15. kodxnumx Rank
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    30 May 2014 12: 41
    Soon the Caspian will have the same fleets as on the Black Sea, if you take the weapons, which is `` Dagistan, '' one, of course, in terms of displacement will be much less, but in terms of bay performance I think it will be an order of magnitude higher than now, the countries of the Caspian region began to re-equip the fleets!
  16. Lindon Rank
    Lindon
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    30 May 2014 13: 21
    Such news speaks only about one thing - Kazakhstan is going in the right direction.
    The EAEU is signed, the shipyard is planned, a lot of countries are overwhelming with the offers of their ships.
    A lot of joint ventures have been created with Russia, including in the field of armaments.
    Kazakhstan enterprises will be involved in industrial cooperation with Russia for the manufacture of new types of weapons. For this, an import substitution program for component production from Ukraine is being worked out, said Alexander Petrov, Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Sverdlovsk Region.

    Joint cooperation in the EAEU will bear fruit every year. After 20-30 years, together the EAEU will take its place in the world lost with the collapse of the USSR. Only real enemies and provocateurs multiply ethnic strife in the guise of patriots rooting for the country.
  17. nnnnnn
    nnnnnn
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    30 May 2014 14: 20
    This news is a hundred years old, negotiations on the construction and purchase of four Tornado units took place in 2008! the contract did not take place since the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation after the events of August 2008 decided to buy for the Russian Navy. And Zhanzakov was also a caperang then, but since 2011 he has already been a Rear Admiral !!!
    Negotiations with the Chinese company Poly Technologies, the Turkish Istanbul Naval Shipyard Command, the South Korean STX, the German Lurssen and the Dutch Damen Shipyard were held within the framework of a tender and nothing was signed with any company except memorandums. and therefore, within the framework of the shipbuilding program of the Navy of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the construction of small artillery-missile ships (MRAC) was started in Uralsk at the Zenit plant, although it is certainly ridiculous to call them rocket ships due to the fact that they were installed on the Grad ship. to install French anti-ship missiles on these "ships" ended in a complete fiasco.
    1. Zymran Rank
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      30 May 2014 14: 43
      What happened to the Exocetes?
      1. Kasym Rank
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        30 May 2014 16: 26
        They, Zymran, have a short range (70 km). The last model, which they are unlikely to sell, block 3 has 180 km in my opinion. But then the Russian Federation will give "Uran-U" with the Kh-35U for 260 km (Uran-E - 130 km.). hi
        1. Zymran Rank
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          30 May 2014 17: 19
          The memorandum was signed specifically for Block 3. The Russians will rather give Uran-E. But I wonder why the Exocet did not work out.
          1. Kasym Rank
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            30 May 2014 18: 10
            Maybe that's why they offer an export version of onyx-yachont. Generally speaking, all such missiles in the USSR carried the letter X and were super secret developments. There are few countries in the world that can do this.
            Well, the Republic of Kazakhstan is an ally of the Russian Federation. This is also a good reason. Here on the site is an article about growing up. "Mistrals". There are arguments; they will not give back, then what to do !?
      2. nnnnnn
        nnnnnn
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        30 May 2014 17: 51
        Quote: Zymran
        What happened to the Exocetes?

        These are questions to the director Dzhaksybekov and Kazvor sorry sorry kazinzhiringu
        1. Kasym Rank
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          30 May 2014 21: 25
          This is probably why they offer Yakhont. laughing ... It should be noted that our people say a lot and sign all sorts of "intentions". And business, especially with shock types of weapons, ... request . Therefore, most likely things were released on the brakes. Yes, and the Russian Federation clearly does not like it, they sell their own, here do not go to a fortuneteller. Russia holds parity in the region. There was an article here that said that both Turkmens and Azerbaijan have Uran-E. That is, the Russian Federation will not allow anyone to have something more powerful or long-range. hi
  18. Zymran Rank
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    30 May 2014 14: 39
    Quote: nnnnnn
    Zhanzakov's dreams of installing French anti-ship missiles on these "ships" ended in a complete fiasco.


    It is very interesting. What happened to the Exocets? A memorandum was signed on them a couple of years ago.
  19. diver1977 Rank
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    30 May 2014 14: 54
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Well, there are no potential enemies in the Caspian. Unless Azerbaijan gravitates to Turkey. Although a good club always does not hurt. Just in case. hi

    You are mistaken about Azerbaijan. They are armed with even small submarines, combat swimmers were trained by specialists from the USA. Can numb.
  20. Forget Rank
    Forget
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    30 May 2014 17: 22
    Around the war, even on the comments ....
  21. nnnnnn
    nnnnnn
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    30 May 2014 18: 06
    Quote: diver1977
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Well, there are no potential enemies in the Caspian. Unless Azerbaijan gravitates to Turkey. Although a good club always does not hurt. Just in case. hi

    You are mistaken about Azerbaijan. They are armed with even small submarines, combat swimmers were trained by specialists from the USA. Can numb.

    will give you a fantasy, the Soviet base for testing small boats disappeared is gone, well, what about combat swimmers laughing there is probably. But Kazakhstan does not care about these "swimmers" of the depths of the North Caspian look negative
  22. q_556 Rank
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    30 May 2014 18: 07
    Allies need to be armed - keep it up!
  23. Kadex Rank
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    30 May 2014 18: 09
    Hello.
    Such boats are good for everyone, but they are very specialized. Given the current global trend in shipbuilding, it is more appropriate to have a modular platform. This will allow for flexibility in the use of both equipment and weapons in solving a specific problem. Having a fleet of ships for each task separately is not advisable.
    1. avt Rank
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      30 May 2014 18: 43
      Quote: KADEX
      Such boats are good for everyone, but they are very specialized. Given the current global trend in shipbuilding, it is more appropriate to have a modular platform. This will allow for flexibility in the use of both equipment and weapons in solving a specific problem. Having a fleet of ships for each task separately is not advisable.

      Oh, these modular games for me! Yes, with such a displacement, the city will be fenced in - it will be at the price of a cruiser, plus a crew of engineers - admirals. Why the heck there are such freaks in the Caspian !? Correctly, ours adopted a couple in the version of the IACs and now the series of RTOs is being increased, then, on occasion, we can transfer RTOs to the Black Sea or to the Baltic. Where are you going ??? To the Aral? Can you attach more wheels, modularly dissect across the steppe? Two MACs and two RTOs are quite enough for you, of course, if you have other dishes, well 4x4, for complacency. laughing
  24. nnnnnn
    nnnnnn
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    30 May 2014 18: 09
    Quote: Zymran
    Quote: nnnnnn
    Zhanzakov's dreams of installing French anti-ship missiles on these "ships" ended in a complete fiasco.


    It is very interesting. What happened to the Exocets? A memorandum was signed on them a couple of years ago.

    You can sign anything you like, making the appearance of work and reporting on the embezzlement of budget funds. But no one is building RTB, there is no training of specialists for maintenance. I will open
  25. Kadex Rank
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    30 May 2014 18: 35
    Hello.
    Such boats are good for everyone, but they are very specialized. Given the current global trend in shipbuilding, a modular platform is more appropriate. This will provide flexibility in the use of not only weapons, but also other special equipment, including emergency and rescue equipment.