Is it time to turn off the valve?

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Is it time to turn off the valve?


Ukraine will not buy Russian gas because of the high price. As Petro Poroshenko, who seems to have won the presidential elections, said, Kiev hopes for reverse supplies from Europe and LNG from the United States instead.

“Russia wants to sell gas to Ukraine for $ 500. Well, but Ukraine will not buy this gas, it doesn’t need it,” local media quoted him.

Kiev can not consume Russian gas. Ukraine does not want to pay for our gas, it will steal it. Tested, as they say, in practice.

Earlier, on Tuesday, Alexander Shlapak, appointed by the Verkhovna Rada Finance Minister, told reporters that Ukraine "will not pay anything" to Russia for gas, unless an agreement is reached to return to the previous price of imports of blue fuel at $ 268,5 damage per 1 thousand cubic meters. m

“We are ready to pay, after they (the Russian side) confirm the price of gas for the future. But the proposal that is expressed now is“ you pay, and then we start talking, ”we are not satisfied,” the minister said.

The head of the Ministry of Finance noted the need to hold talks with Russia on gas, during which the parties must agree on a return to the price of fuel supplies at the level of $ 268,5 per 1 thousand cubic meters. m

“If there is no such agreement, we will not pay anything,” Shlapak stressed.

In turn, the Russian side is ready to discuss the issue of gas discounts for Ukraine only after paying the debt. Russia is ready to reduce the price of gas for Ukraine in terms of zeroing export duties, but the amount of its reduction will be subject to negotiations after paying part of the debt. About this in the broadcast channel "Russia 24" said the head of "Gazprom" Alexey Miller.

On Wednesday, it was reported that Gazprom billed for gas on a prepayment for June, the payment term - 2 June until the end of the day.

Ukraine’s liabilities to pay for Russian gas to 7 will exceed $ 5,2 billion in June, Gazprom head Alexei Miller said. According to him, Ukraine in May selects the maximum volumes of gas - for this month 3,5 billion cubic meters will be supplied. m of gas, the amount of payment - $ 1,7 billion.

At the same time, the EU proposes that Ukraine partially pay for supplies for the period from April, according to which gas prices persist, said European Commissioner for Energy Gunther Oettinger on Wednesday. According to Ettinger, Russia and Ukraine at the tripartite consultations "removed all disagreements on prices and volumes of gas supplied from November to March."

"The question of prices for April and May remains open," he noted. In general, the EU estimates the volume of Ukrainian debt of Russia for gas "at about $ 4 billion," said the European Commissioner.

The situation would be incomprehensible if it were not all so clear. Ukraine is not going to pay. No money left. Everything received from Europe has already been spent. Actually, not our business, where. Our business is to realize the aspect that the country is stealing a lot of money that would not be superfluous in the budget.

This raises some doubts about the effectiveness of the steps of our leaders, especially Mr. Novak. His statement at a meeting with the president that "Ukraine recognized its debts," a normal person could not fail.

Is this a working achievement? Is this a man doing his (rather big) ministerial salary?

Nonsense and nonsense. If Novak is unable to drive out our money, then it makes sense for Putin to think about a more decisive energy minister. Deputy DG Valuev, for example. Or Karelin.

Further. What the devil in general in the contract between Ukraine and Russia climbs with his assessments Ettinger? Not his gas, not his money to count. It is clear that Europe does not have a jarring jig about the gas, because the fact that Ukraine will start to steal their gas from a pipe in the winter will not go to Wang. Here, Gunter, work. But work with your euro-partner. That he will leave you without gas in the winter, not us.

The situation is simple and clear. But a frank, grip on the Ukrainian authorities requires an equally decisive response. It is time. And then soon they will not just sit on the neck.

Dear readers, it only seems to me that the valve should be shut off or not?
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  1. +29
    30 May 2014
    Today is a short working day ... The team will not reach the valve laughing Saturday and Sunday are the days off ... So, it means, according to the Russian labor legislation, the team will go on Monday ... By evening, they’ll probably be wrapped up laughing
    Well, we understand that a working person should rest on the weekend lol
    1. +15
      30 May 2014
      Well, gentlemen, the time "H" is approaching, and the most interesting begins. If the valve is closed, then soon Europe will itself demand the introduction of a force contingent to reposition the brains of the "square".
      1. +17
        30 May 2014
        Quote: MOISEY
        Well, gentlemen, the time "H" is approaching, and the most interesting begins. If the valve is closed ...

        The valve will be twisted in the morning, because:
        1. +3
          30 May 2014
          I would first accidentally dismantle all the branches of gas pipelines leading to Ukraine for an extraordinary reconstruction. Well, since Gazprom does not have enough money for all of its projects, I would have forgotten about these branches before the change of power in Ukraine.
      2. Ujin61
        +8
        30 May 2014
        By shutting off the valve we mean limiting the volume of gas supplies. The biggest effect would be a complete shutdown of gas for geyrops before the fall. Losses for Russia in this case would be minimized. In case of debt repayment, we can return to negotiations on prices and terms of supply.
        1. 0
          30 May 2014
          Quote: Ujin61
          The biggest effect would be a complete shutdown of gas for geyrops until the fall. Losses for Russia in this case would be minimized. In case of debt repayment, we can return to negotiations on prices and terms of supply.

          Unfortunately you are wrong.
          Gazprom is already setting up an institute of international gas supply observers.
          In my opinion, it should be diluted with the protection of the gas pipeline from the troops of the Federal Republic of Germany, the Czech Republic, the Russian Federation and Austria.
          I especially insist on Germany and the Russian Federation. (sing)
          1. mihasik
            +10
            30 May 2014
            In my opinion, it should be diluted with the protection of the gas pipeline from the troops of the Federal Republic of Germany, the Czech Republic, the Russian Federation and Austria.
            I especially insist on Germany and the Russian Federation. (sing)

            It is precisely in the FRG that gas does not go through Ukraine, but goes to Eastern Europe. In Germany, he goes through the "Nord Stream" in a straight line, and Germany is just on the drum of Ukraine.
            I'm talking about something else. If "Gazprom" is a national treasure, then why the hell are officials squandering its (property) with discounts for the same Ukraine !? With this, we again sponsor the Ukrainian junta in the person of the oligarchs and drag out their end.
            I also want a discount on gas!) Stop paying and go to the Strasbourg court! Let them throw off me too!)) So who then does Gazprom work for? To Ukraine? And whose "Property" then !?
        2. VAF
          VAF
          0
          30 May 2014
          Quote: Ujin61
          there would be a complete gas shutdown for geyropa until the fall.


          I absolutely agree ... that's just ...... "if my grandmother had ... she would be ... a grandfather" wassat
      3. +1
        30 May 2014
        I think that we will agree with Europe and the IMF will pay us directly for gas from the outlying tranches of the Ukraine. Otherwise, Europa will be left without gas :)
      4. 0
        30 May 2014
        cow cakes along the way will be drowned.
    2. +18
      30 May 2014
      but Ukraine will not buy this gas, it does not need it
      Well, let him go around the market, look for cheaper or try Donbassky to coal lol
      1. +12
        30 May 2014
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, let him drive through the market, look for cheaper or coal

        Hi reactionary ... What coal? Donbass is already on strike and the train message is interrupted laughing
        Sash, Ukraine filled the storages by about 80 percent ... So, they will hold out until the fall ... and there, as with Nasruddin, the emir will die, or I will die, or the donkey will die laughing Type Americans will customize Aichi potbelly stoves for heating ...
        1. +3
          30 May 2014
          Quote: domokl
          Ukraine filled storages by approximately 80 percent ...

          I am a peaceful, white and fluffy person ... But somehow it seems to me that it would be nice to drop something on these storages ... Well, or something like that ...
          1. +1
            30 May 2014
            it seems that Ukraine is simply provoking Russia. they don’t understand that any patience comes to an end. our rulers, also merging SE, hope that when everyone is drowned in blood there, the Nazis will not remember the Crimea. they are already talking about it now, it is necessary to prepare for war, the Nazis just never finished. only it is necessary to show what fascism is to the Americans and not in the pictures, but on their own land.
            1. +1
              31 May 2014
              They don’t need to be shown, they raised and fostered this fascism. And they are not sending to us for the first time.
          2. +1
            30 May 2014
            Quote: igor_m_p
            it would be nice to drop something on these storages ...

            Five hundred kilogram. Yes, not once.
          3. +1
            30 May 2014
            Quote: igor_m_p
            Quote: domokl
            Ukraine filled storages by approximately 80 percent ...

            I am a peaceful, white and fluffy person ... But somehow it seems to me that it would be nice to drop something on these storages ... Well, or something like that ...

            And also, I'm sorry, stupid.
            Yaytsenyuh proposed to take the GTS of the outskirts under international control (more precisely, Western), but who prevents us from being there?
        2. Elle-elle
          0
          30 May 2014
          And the gas price for the population was not so sickly raised! And people pay. That is the question of where this money goes.
      2. Evil Pole
        +2
        30 May 2014
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov (2) RU Today, 08: 02 ↑ New

        but Ukraine will not buy this gas, it does not need it
        Well, let him walk around the market, look for cheaper or for coal Donbassky will try to lol

        Yes, yes, this is called treatment of exacerbation of shock therapy. 2nd part of the Marlezon Ballet laughing
    3. +12
      30 May 2014
      I agree to go on the weekend. Spin and brew the fuck.
      1. 0
        30 May 2014
        They will not be able to close, since gas is supplied to Europe under a contract, they will simply limit supplies, and Ukraine will begin illegal gas extraction.
        1. +9
          30 May 2014
          For the murder of Russians in Ukraine, no one has even hinted at the sanctions for the junta. Why does the United States use sanctions as an instrument of "democratic" pressure, while Russia cannot?
        2. +1
          30 May 2014
          Gas is delivered to Europe through one pipe (3 pipes), and gas through another (2 pipes). We cut their pipes, then they will be from the European pip.
      2. +2
        30 May 2014
        Quote: Case48
        I agree to go on the weekend. Spin and brew the fuck.

        To help? I have a good welding machine.
    4. +3
      30 May 2014
      How will they receive gas by reverse if, according to the French specialist, the pipe is sharpened in one direction, to the west
      1. HAM
        +3
        30 May 2014
        You are probably not in the know-Europe supplies gas to Russia, through Ukraine, the Psaki announced this to the whole world, but we didn’t know whether you would have to buy gas in Europe!
      2. +2
        30 May 2014
        Even if Ukraine will pay regularly, gas supplies must be reduced to the amount necessary for domestic needs (there are many Russians there too). And officially declare that gas is supplied for the needs of the population so that everyone in Europe would clearly hear. Let the junta take care of the needs of industry, if they don’t know where to get it, let them go to Europe and demand gas, Psaki said there is gas in Europe.
        1. 0
          31 May 2014
          Quote: Kohl
          Even if Ukraine will pay regularly, gas supplies must be reduced to the amount necessary for domestic needs (there are many Russians there too)

          it consumes a little, its own quarter of the total volume of gas consumed is enough for stoves and boilers of citizens. Another thing is fraud with its own and Russian gas. There is a whole system of making large sums of money, and everything is in it, both Russian and local ..
      3. 0
        30 May 2014
        Quote: Coffee_time
        How will they receive gas by reverse if, according to the French specialist, the pipe is sharpened in one direction, to the west

        The scheme is simple, they will take gas from their GTS for Europe, and "reverse" gas will replace Russian gas in Europe.
    5. +4
      30 May 2014
      Sometimes you can work overtime, and fly to the valve and by helicopter. Although this is all a joke. "Shutting off the valve" is just one press of a button on the remote control. The main thing is to get a command to carry out this action. And there is no team yet. Rather, it was announced, the morning of June 3, but has not yet been confirmed. And Zhirinovsky offers to block the Dnieper with a dam, leaving Ukraine without water, as they did with the Crimea.
      1. +1
        30 May 2014
        Yes Yes, first block the dam, and then once and again open and again Ukraine will be clean and beautiful, without dill.
        But just for this period, send all children away for the summer holidays from this place :)
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    6. -1
      30 May 2014
      Akurat will fit into the dates on June 2)
    7. +3
      30 May 2014
      I would have gone on a weekend, otherwise freeloaders are completely stuck. We have Siberia without gas, and they heat the cowsheds.
    8. +1
      30 May 2014
      Quote: domokl
      Today is a short working day ... The team will not reach the valve

      And we will pay them overtime. According to the Labor Code and the collective agreement.
    9. 0
      30 May 2014
      Listen to the song Farewell of the Slav woman = cleans the brains, wrote an officer of the white army. This is a bomb.
    10. wow
      0
      30 May 2014
      I would ask this do.l.bo.yo .... and, how many times can he go to the store and take, say, bread "under the cross"!? Well, what !? And when for "not calculating" they start hitting in the face! ???
    11. 16101955
      0
      30 May 2014
      Ukraine refused to raft ... gaytsi advised not to raft!
    12. 0
      31 May 2014
      Work on a shift pipe, there is no concept of a day off on a gas pipeline
  2. +8
    30 May 2014
    Dear readers, it only seems to me that the valve needs to be shut off fucking or not?
    When it seems - it is necessary to be baptized, and VALVE OVERLAPPING is an NECESSARY NEED
    1. +19
      30 May 2014
      Quote: svp67
      Dear readers, it only seems to me that the valve needs to be shut off fucking or not? When it seems - it is necessary to be baptized, and VALVE OVERLAPPING - A NECESSARY NEED

      And one more thing is not clear to me: from what fright is it all about discounts?
      What is this merit? For shutting off water to the Crimea? For genocide on the DNI and LC?
      Or for anti-Russian politics?
      1. +1
        30 May 2014
        Quote: a52333
        And one more thing is not clear to me: from what fright is it all about discounts?

        laughing People are adults, but you don’t understand simple things ... I want to eat, but I don’t have money in my pocket ... So, walking in a circle with a cap is organized. Give it to the starving ... But while this walking continued, it turned out that the pants on the ass were worn .... fellow laughing
      2. 0
        30 May 2014
        Quote: a52333
        And one more thing is not clear to me: from what fright is it all about discounts?

        That’s what we don’t overlap, after all the events - it’s not clear, and the rest, alas, is business. The high price for Ukraine, in particular, follows from the fact that Ukraine itself is asking for the MOST high price for gas transportation services for Europe, through its territory, through its pipelines ... So, it’s just bargaining ... It’s good that at least Europe is beginning to support our point.
      3. VAF
        VAF
        0
        30 May 2014
        Quote: a52333

        And one more thing is not clear to me: from what fright is it all about discounts?
        What is this merit? For shutting off water to the Crimea? For genocide on the DNI and LC?
        Or for anti-Russian politics?


        It is explained to the banality simply wink Someone .. someone .. grabbed one object and .. and holds it tightly and squeezes it ... and someone .. will dance to this tune ..... soon UssAks will give instructions ... have lived ...... ya !!! am
    2. +1
      30 May 2014
      Alternatively, peas can be offered instead of gas, Bendera will eat and get enough methane, and maybe even start selling.
    3. VAF
      VAF
      +1
      30 May 2014
      Quote: svp67
      , AND VALVE OVERLAPPING IS A NECESSARY NEED


      And someone ... as according to V. Vysotsky (large and from branches wassat) considers. what so nizya wassat
    4. VAF
      VAF
      0
      30 May 2014
      Quote: svp67
      , AND VALVE OVERLAPPING IS A NECESSARY NEED


      And someone ... as according to V. Vysotsky (large and from branches wassat) considers. what so nizya wassat
  3. +8
    30 May 2014
    "... Dear readers, it only seems to me that the valve should be shut off the fuck, or not? ..."
    I think so too.
  4. +8
    30 May 2014
    A month ago it was time to block, and in general it was necessary to put decisive people in the Minister of Energy, the peasant said the peasant did it, but here they generally create chaos and only bleating is heard.
  5. +9
    30 May 2014
    No money, no gas. What a fright to sponsor a hostile structure. Mr. Ukraine?
  6. +28
    30 May 2014
    "Dear readers, it only seems to me that the valve should be shut off the fuck, or not?" - Unanimously!
  7. +3
    30 May 2014
    Quote: domokl
    Today is a short working day ... The team will not reach the valve laughing Saturday and Sunday are the days off ... So, it means, according to the Russian labor legislation, the team will go on Monday ... By evening, they’ll probably be wrapped up laughing
    Well, we understand that a working person should rest on the weekend lol

    Wise remark good So it will be laughing
  8. Khalmamed
    +3
    30 May 2014
    ..... CLOSE, think about the official.
    ..... the Euroganzans suggest suggesting that the thieves of the Ukrainian market will do when technical gas and oil are stolen from the pipe, they will start cutting the pipe for scrap!

    ..... to offer the Euroganse to EXCLUSIVELY, in order to ensure the supply of gas in euros and preserve the homogeneity of the Eurostan along the pipe, to introduce RUSSIAN peacekeepers starting from SLAVYANSK - hereinafter.
    ..... we need to work according to their methods, declare ukrmartysh to be frankly trying to push terrorists (they don’t pay money, they kill Russians when they are robbed from hunger, where they go right to) to push Europe with homosexuality into Russia.
    ..... all meetings in the United Nations begin with the terrorist ukrmartyshek-crush.
  9. KOH
    +4
    30 May 2014
    Unambiguously block !!! Wet rags to feel the fullness of the sensations of the Russian winter in the future ... tongue laughing
    1. MBA78
      +1
      30 May 2014
      let them buy shale gas from yellowstone
  10. +7
    30 May 2014
    In fact, a very STRANGE position of the UkRop authorities: - "I WANT for such and such a price ... or even better - for free."
    If a citizen of Russia does not pay for gas on time, or starts "bargaining" with Gazprom, you first throw off the tariff for me, and then maybe I will pay ... when he will cook at the stake?
    And why Ukraine is still trading, and still CONDITIONS, similar to ultimatums constantly pushing?
    Now let the EU wait for "surprises" from its "stepchildren".
    1. +2
      30 May 2014
      ".... And why is Ukraine still conducting bargaining, and also constantly puts forward conditions similar to ultimatums?
      Now let the EU wait for "surprises" from its "stepchildren" ... ".
      But because Ukraine considers itself a transit-monopolist and until there is a "southern stream" they will vykobenivatsya.
  11. +5
    30 May 2014
    Russia will not be able to shut off the gas supply since the pipe is common and the contract for gas supply to the EU needs to be fulfilled, Russia can only reduce the volume of gas pumped (minus the Ukrainian share), it has already been done more than once, but Ukraine will continue to take gas from the common pipe (to steal) more than once.
  12. +3
    30 May 2014
    Do not overlap, but brew for hell ...
    1. 0
      30 May 2014
      A pipe for ferrous metal, and money about ...
  13. +2
    30 May 2014
    shut off! Let Europe itself correct their brains or pay the debt for them!
  14. +2
    30 May 2014
    Yeah, it seems Russia’s time to take another decisive step, since the return of Crimea
  15. cup
    +1
    30 May 2014
    I am amazed at the arrogance of the Ukrainians. They already require gas and discounts. Europe oh how the support of the new government comes around. Well it will be later. in the meantime, democracy but without gas in Ukraine. close the valve definitely.
  16. +1
    30 May 2014
    "No money. Everything received from Europe has already been spent."
    To be precise - stolen. I would like even more, but Russia is not going to meet in any way. It's a shame, slobbering, yeah ..... wassat
  17. +6
    30 May 2014
    On the gas issue in relation to dill, I’m not just offended, I am ashamed of our country.
  18. yulka2980
    +3
    30 May 2014
    But does Piglet have no factories in Russia? You need to pick them up for debts, especially since he is now president, so he is obliged to pay! But in general, it’s time for everything to shut down the EU too (in winter) wassat , immediately everyone in the EAEU will be requested
  19. -3
    30 May 2014
    This government of Ukraine will not pay! And the magnitude of the cost here does not play any value, taking gas from the pipe they will say it is a transit fee, I do not like it - let the gas go in another way!
    The West again outplayed us, Leonid Ilyich, creating a pipe, with the self-sufficient economy of the USSR, he thought that he would put Europe on the oil and gas pipe, now that our economy depends on the sale of resources, we ourselves have become its hostages. The decline in living standards is already being felt at full speed.
    1. KOH
      +3
      30 May 2014
      What is the fall felt then?
      1. 0
        30 May 2014
        Quote: CON
        What is the fall felt then?

        At prices in stores.
        1. 0
          30 May 2014
          Gas has nothing to do with it.
          This is all "uncle" SAM: - He wants to lower the $ exchange rate, wants to raise it, and the traders always refer to the "mythical" course, but at the same time, a simple man in the street is always a fool, and this will continue as long as the ruble is pegged to $.
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  20. +2
    30 May 2014
    "The head of the Ministry of Finance noted the need for negotiations with Russia on gas, during which the parties must agree on returning to the price of fuel supplies at the level of $ 268,5 per 1 cubic meters."
    Anecdote. On the demand of Ukraine "High Russia will sell gas at a cheap price!" the Russian president responded with a decree: replace the letter "a" in the first word with another. laughing
  21. +7
    30 May 2014
    It's a shame for Russia! Once again, we are ready to return to negotiations on discounts! Well, how much can you ???? Maybe it makes sense once and for all to solve this issue? Cut this knot !!! There is loot - there is gas! Well, if not, then no! We ourselves dill provoke such behavior hinting at possible discounts! What the hell ???? It comes to the point that we ourselves will begin to persuade them! just take it. And they are waiting for that! FOR THE POWER SATISFIED !!!!
  22. +2
    30 May 2014
    The most interesting thing will be if the militias, in the event of a negative scenario development, stupidly blow up the pipe! Europe will be forced to allow the download of Nord Stream. And Parashenko will get snickers!
    1. KOH
      +2
      30 May 2014
      And also to let the desu go: that worthy dill from the city was shot down ...
  23. 0
    30 May 2014
    baker EN
    ... Europe oh how goes around comes around support for the new government

    I would like to HOPE that AUKNETS!
    Europe seems to have planted a big PIGGER. While the EU waits for a / M / E / R / ovsky expensive gas, in conditions when the flow of gas from Russia depends on the "most reliable partner" - Ukraine, the EU in the coming winter will probably start buying BURZHUIKI.
  24. +3
    30 May 2014
    Gas had to be shut off on February 23. As soon as a coup was made in Kiev, and the geyropa supported him. Figs polites, n .... ramie.
  25. Grandfather Victor
    +5
    30 May 2014
    That I can’t believe in decisive actions of Russia. Capitulate again, you will see!
    1. 0
      30 May 2014
      100 pounds.
  26. +1
    30 May 2014
    No discounts. Do not want to pay, no gas. It is many times better to supply gas for free to NORTH KOREA and CUBE than to the junta in UKRAINE. drinks
  27. ed65b
    +2
    30 May 2014
    Eh Roman, but our ministers and all those like them voice the words of only one person in the country and this is not Medvedev. In general, the situation is a little strange, I agree, Moscow knowing what kind of gas it will get "a donut hole and not Sharapov's" allows Dill to pump out the maximum volumes of gas under the contract. The public that smeared the Minister of Defense for the purchase of Mistrals worth one and a few kopecks a billion dollars is silent about Gazprom, which Dill owes already under five Mistrals. The Russian consumer, due to the constant increase in tariffs, pays to Gazprom all the costs and maintenance of FC clubs, the construction of stadiums and other crap not related to the direct purpose of the organization and the main theft of gas by Dill. And our president keeps repeating about "partners" and "friends". And the "partners" and "friends" openly just make faces at him and show him the figs.
    1. potap48a
      0
      30 May 2014
      Well done, you say right. Enrages to call all partners that way. What nah ... n partners they are. Should be called in the officer. speeches and doc-takhs of "Geyrop", Fashington. "And about 5 Mistrals for 10 lards, minus the discount for wholesale.
  28. 0
    30 May 2014
    Apparently, the whole point is that, according to the agreement with Europe, Russia is obliged not only to pump the required volume of gas into the pipe, but also to ensure the delivery of gas to the consumer. That is, in theory, if Ukraine steals, then it is already from Europe. I do not understand what the problem is, hey steals. Apparently the agreement did not take into account changes in the political situation. Someone concluded a "wrong" treaty, and perhaps they are simply trying to "dissolve" Russia.
  29. +1
    30 May 2014
    Close the vent, but where is the gas? Where to get money for all expenses? We have half of the projects built on money that do not yet exist, but should be when, we will sell oil and gas. Here our state, as a bad entrepreneur, clings to a straw like a drowning man, "maybe they will pay at least something." They pulled it to the last. So China is twisting its arms at the price of gas, because sitting on a pipe is easier than making money by selling high-tech products and high-quality services.
    1. tokin1959
      +1
      30 May 2014
      Well, if the debtor is bankrupt, and he has no money, then his property is taken from him.
      or territory.
  30. G8K
    G8K
    +1
    30 May 2014
    Europe itself is blocking the South Stream, it turns out they are blackmailing us with Ukraine. They will make us extreme for the lack of gas in Europe. So if we are so bad, why are they so kind? It’s necessary to drive through the pipes not gas, but the fifth column!
    1. 0
      30 May 2014
      Quote: G8K
      It is not gas to drive through the pipes

      Right. Water! Or acetylene. I can imagine how it smells there.
  31. +2
    30 May 2014
    Market Law - Pay and Receive. No money - go for a walk!
    While Ukrainians are pulling our money away.
    Of course, bargaining is necessary, but the seller dictates the price, not the buyer. This is not a sale of stale goods or a charity event. There is always a buyer.
  32. potap48a
    0
    30 May 2014
    everything is clear here. The Ukrainians, by secret order and instructions from the Fourth Reich - Phishington, specifically test the strength of Russia and the geyropu. They are waiting for what we will do. Here is 50/50. Either we will act toughly, as Medvedev wants, or the GDP will take pity on them again and forgive them everything, make them back the price of 268 US Reichsmarks. Then everyone will understand that nefig bargain with Russia, you only need to set your own price. All of our leadership is sorry for everyone. It’s still for us to look like a shit!
    1. 0
      30 May 2014
      That's about the American agent in the Russian government - Medvedev, who wants "tough with the United States", turned down not childishly
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  33. +2
    30 May 2014
    The valve for Europe, we won’t block it ... Potroshenko will be forced to steal .. And let the Hunting defender-Europe, understand it herself .. with her proteges ..
  34. Taltsetl
    0
    30 May 2014
    But is there a way out of the vicious circle: Russia cuts off gas to Ukraine, Ukraine steals gas from Europe, Europe misses the volumes of gas and, with a cry, squeals at Russia with threats of forfeit?
    1. parus2nik
      +1
      30 May 2014
      Europe is capable of this, if you recall a past crisis like that .. the commissars came to measure ..
  35. potap48a
    +1
    30 May 2014
    Yes, by the way, the current situation does not resemble anything: 1939-1940 and the first half of 1941. Hitler is actively preparing for war with the USSR, everyone knows about it and sees it, and the USSR valiantly, according to the agreements, continues to drive the Fuhrer with trains ore, tungsten, coal and other raw materials, forging the power of his army.
    .... year 2014. You and the geyropa are already actively confronting Russia (almost a war with local hostilities against the Russian population in the territory of the Reichucropia), and it is stubborn, fulfilling all the conditions of the agreements with those who score a huge one with these same contracts .. with a bolt when they don’t profitably, continues to drive its PEOPLE 's natural wealth, supporting the fascist leadership of dill and giving reason to manipulate itself. GDP, wake up, what are you doing !!!!! It is time to stop pondering and boasting that we are a reliable counterparty country and will fulfill all our agreements no matter what. Read the story carefully. Read how Russia fulfilled its obligations to the Entente in 1914, 1916, saving all this ... wounded Europe at the cost of their lives, and it was they who unleashed that war. Russia did not need it. Now everything is repeating itself again. They have us again as they want. Then nobody will remember about our reliability.
  36. +2
    30 May 2014
    it seems to me if the faucet is tightened to the stop, then the war in Ukraine will stop, and Europe will understand all its insignificance
  37. +2
    30 May 2014
    Of course, it’s necessary to shut off the tap enough at the expense of taxpayers to finance the losses of Gazprom.
  38. 0
    30 May 2014
    Yes, we will "help" the "brothers" Ukrainians in difficult times than we can, we will draw out the "last juices". Haha. Meanwhile, http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2364889
  39. 0
    30 May 2014
    Yes, from ukrov we will take our love. And we are covering the gas already on the 3 number. In general, the matter is clearly not moving towards the partition of the country, but simply becoming a territory. Truly sucks will be before winter and winter, when Ukrainians in friendly herds trample in hated Russia. So the border needs to be strengthened. And the thought of the moat doesn’t seem so crazy.
  40. 0
    30 May 2014
    "Dear readers, it only seems to me that the valve should be closed, or not?"

    So it’s not long to wait until June 3. Since nothing and no one can reason dolbyotyat, then ...
  41. Taltsetl
    0
    30 May 2014
    Sorry, but for what a minus. Did I just ask a question?
  42. 0
    30 May 2014
    I don’t understand, since Gazprom agrees to discounts, why not sell gas to Europe on the border with Ukraine? Let Ukrainians steal gas from Europe at average European prices, and Eurointegators themselves deal with the Maydan.
  43. +1
    30 May 2014
    If Novak is not able to get our money out of Prodan, then it makes sense for Putin to think about a more resolute energy minister. State Duma deputy Valuev, for example. Or Karelin.
    Well, you give! Yes, no Valuev can knock out a coin or a bill from a sound recorder!
    What's in there ... minister ykp (al) something, what does he decide ?! This is a dummy with a built-in player. When you click on any place, it reproduces one recorded phrase: "The payment of the debt will be decided after the approval of the price of $ 268" And the EC must personally make sure with which clients it has to deal in order to fulfill contracts with Europeans.
  44. 0
    30 May 2014
    Tangit Tyagnibok - a pipe on the lock :)
  45. Vtel
    0
    30 May 2014
    They won’t block anything, because our liberals are able to count money and the whole politics has a big drum, you can’t have such money, and you are eager to shut off the tap, and in your hands, ask Chubzais and Muler about someone else. ..
    And so I want to cover the Krantik with these Jewish fascists, it wasn’t ours for them to call America.
  46. 0
    30 May 2014
    Shut off the gas and deliver water from private agencies along the pipe. Force the construction of threads !!!)))
  47. 0
    30 May 2014
    All the cholesterol on the candy - let S.O.S.U.T!
  48. 0
    30 May 2014
    I completely agree with the author: it’s time to block, tea is not children to clatter with them. came into business, you need to speak business terms and fulfill obligations. if you haven’t fulfilled your obligations, please answer and don’t expect that they will simply forgive you and forget everything.
  49. 0
    30 May 2014
    Winter will soon buy gas as pretty for how much we say that they are now showing off.
  50. maxistuff
    0
    30 May 2014
    Do you need gas? Do not buy! Although, it’ll still have to :) I hope ours will not give a discount to these freaks. Discounts are only adequate.
  51. +3
    30 May 2014
    crests again... the same rake...
  52. 0
    30 May 2014
    Dear readers, it only seems to me that the valve should be shut off or not?

    Not alone. And it doesn't seem like it.
  53. 0
    30 May 2014
    It’s time to close it off, we’ve prepared everyone with information!
  54. Igor78rus
    0
    30 May 2014
    The steam has long been shut off; in the winter they will use wood for heating. And then the fingers are like a fan, thieves have become, America is for them. Let them buy gas “cheaply” from Shale...
  55. 0
    30 May 2014
    I came to my senses, June is soon outside, the gas valve for dill should have been closed back in March, maximum in April...
  56. Bormental
    0
    30 May 2014
    Shut off and do not open until South Stream is put into operation.
  57. 0
    30 May 2014
    Not only to block it, but also to sue for violation of the terms of the contract along with penalties!
  58. 0
    30 May 2014
    The question is probably not “should I or shouldn’t I shut off the gas?”, but how should I shut off the gas?
    And it must be closed in such a way that the lack of gas is felt first of all in Kyiv itself and in its west.
    If you look at the map, it turns out that two main gas pipelines go through Ukraine:
    - "Soyuz" - which passes through the Southeast regions;
    - Urengoy-Uzhgorod, which passes through the north-west of Ukraine.
    Considering that Lugansk and Donetsk are now under the influence of pro-Russian forces, it turns out that only one gas pipeline needs to be closed, which goes through Kyiv and western Ukraine to Europe.
    By the way, the shortage of supplies to Europe in this direction can be compensated for by supplies through Belarus and Nord Stream.
    There is indeed a jumper between these gas pipelines, but it is obvious that the skillful hands of the militia will be able to turn off the tap there if they wish.
    By the way, gas storage facilities are also not scattered throughout Ukraine, which also needs to be taken into account.
  59. 0
    30 May 2014
    V.V.P’s character is too soft and easy-going. I'm afraid this is just a scare for dill.
  60. +1
    30 May 2014
    It’s the guts of the crests to turn it off, Europe said the transit problems are your problems, there was no point in concluding such contracts, now Putin is pissing on his thighs, and the crests and Europe are openly making fun of us, they say they deceived the Russian fools, try to turn off the valve right away and pay almost the same fine Russian GDP
    1. +1
      30 May 2014
      Quote: yashka12007
      crests turn off the guts, Europe said transit problems are your problems

      We kind of don’t give a damn what Europe said.
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      2. 0
        30 May 2014
        Kishka tonka crests disable


        And there is no need to turn it off. Arrange a small bang on the transit route in Ukraine and blame it on the Right Sectors. The gas will be turned off for a couple of months - this will be a subtle hint to Europe.
  61. alex-pmr
    +1
    30 May 2014
    It seems appropriate to sell gas to Europe on the Russia-Ukraine border. And Europe will already have the headache of gas transit through Ukraine. And if they steal, it will be from Europe. This would be the most reliable option for Russia
  62. 0
    30 May 2014
    Let them shake the loaf in the stroller - she found money for the elections and will find a discount
  63. zvo
    0
    30 May 2014
    Meanwhile, from Yaitsenyukh’s Twitter:

    Translation: “Even if the Ukrainian side pays the gas bill for the first quarter, the Russian Federation will still do everything to turn off the gas.”

    Well what can I say? Smell the eggs, Arseny!
  64. +2
    30 May 2014
    - Isn't it time to turn off the valve? It's time, it's time - said Kasim laughing
    - They won’t pay on Tuesday and we’ll cut it off.
    Why did you wait until the summer? Will the elections be “successful” yet?

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/088/hzhg835.jpg
  65. 0
    30 May 2014
    “We are ready to pay after they (the Russian side) confirm to us the price of gas for the future. But the proposal that is being made now - “you will pay, and then we will start talking” - does not suit us,” the minister said.... .....They also set conditions? Heroes.
  66. 0
    30 May 2014
    “We are ready to pay after they (the Russian side) confirm to us the price of gas for the future.”
    The Russian Federation confirmed, half a kilobuck. Pay and receive.
  67. D.V.
    0
    30 May 2014
    Definitely close. Damn you have the nerve to bargain! Here ! Close. Let Europe pay. There's just one problem. Everyone will steal. And Europe wakes up yelling that you won’t supply gas. And I don’t care that everyone understands everything. And Ukraine, as it was with gas, wakes up and they don’t care that it’s stolen. .
  68. +2
    30 May 2014
    I think the most interesting things are yet to come. This is just a prelude. The action itself will begin when Ukraine begins unauthorized withdrawal of gas, Europe will shout to the whole world where is our gas? Miller and Co. will apologize to them and, with the help of GDP, will make every effort to ensure that the lads stop stealing. And they’ll drop the price with the words, well, at least they’ve returned so much of the debt.
  69. +1
    30 May 2014
    We need to stop them from stealing from the EU.
    I wonder how long the EU will tolerate Poroshenko’s robbery?
    It’s a pity, of course, that it’s impossible to close the border between the DPR and Ukraine.
  70. +2
    30 May 2014
    Europe, winter 2014-2015 laughing
  71. 0
    30 May 2014
    Exactly at ten in the morning, June 3, Ukraine will receive exactly 0 cubic meters of gas!
  72. 0
    30 May 2014
    Exactly at ten in the morning, June 3, Ukraine will receive exactly 0 cubic meters of gas!
  73. +1
    30 May 2014
    To sober up the hotheads in both Ukraine and Europe, the tap needs to be turned off for a month. Let them buy Chinese lighters. Let's see what Merkel will sing when German industrialists press their knees on her flabby throat.
  74. 0
    30 May 2014
    Does the “take OR pay” principle still apply? For some reason they don't remember him.
  75. Lyuba1965_01
    0
    30 May 2014
    You can’t close the valve. You can’t cut off gas to Ukraine and leave gas to Europe. Ukrainians will steal, and Russia will have to answer, as always. And the reputation of a reliable partner is a very necessary and important thing. Reputation is very difficult to earn and much easier to lose. That’s why sometimes companies ( both large and small) make losses so that their reputation does not suffer. A good reputation is half of the profit. Contracts are often concluded with some companies at 50% due to the fact that the “partner is reliable.”
  76. Serg93
    +1
    30 May 2014
    Quote: yushch
    I think that we will agree with Europe and the IMF will pay us directly for gas from the outlying tranches of the Ukraine. Otherwise, Europa will be left without gas :)

    And then let Europe sort out Ukraine where its GAZ is
  77. +1
    30 May 2014
    Quote: Elle-elle
    And the gas price for the population was not so sickly raised! And people pay. That is the question of where this money goes.


    And the money goes to punitive operations of the Ukrainian authorities in the east. War is a costly business.
    Another thing is that by continuing to give gas to the authorities for free, Russia, willingly or unwillingly, is also sponsoring a punitive war.
    It is high time to cut off the gas supply to Ukraine without payment.
  78. ran nearby
    +1
    30 May 2014
    It's time, it's high time to turn off the gas.
  79. 0
    31 May 2014
    hmm. Ukraine/Gas/Russia/infowar/loot...

    why is no one looking for more hidden reasons for what is happening. Turning off the gas is what you hear first. What are the reasons why this is not being done? I don't believe in exceptional kindness. I believe this is a business. And “stealing” gas is also a business. I am quite sure that Gazprom’s share in the “theft of Gazprom’s gas in Ukraine” is very significant. Or not from Gazprom itself, but from individuals.
    Because there are discounts for non-payment. The impression that they give to their own. This means that the border does not separate the participants in gas laundering at all. It divides us, who are simply given the thought of "cutting off the gas"
    The political component of the "gas war" is enormous. Either money or loyalty. Or both, but the money is up front. I suggest that people discuss the issue of gas and Ukraine more soberly - firstly, we are just small tools in this part of the information war. Secondly, this is how the formation of opinions about certain events is achieved.
    After the Maidans there was always a round of “gas war” as loyalties changed. This season, in addition to the loss of a more loyal government, added difficulties.
    If it were up to me, I would set the conditions for the discount (Russian is the second state language, complete autonomy of Novorossiya is freedom for the vehicle), but since we are talking about money + politics + money again, they will decide something else. And we only listen and can be indignant.

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