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Saving the Southeast, Russia saves itself

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Saving the Southeast, Russia saves itself



The same Russians live in Ukraine, which became a divided people after the collapse of the USSR

The newly elected president of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, whom Moscow either acknowledges, or not quite, announced his priorities as interesting as all Ukrainian politics: visit the “problematic” south-eastern regions - not to reassure people, to encourage and enchant.

To charm is nontrivial - with new bombings and threats to return the Crimea to Ukraine ...

On the pages of our portal, a survey finished recently, which showed a rather curious alignment, even if not unexpected. 97% of our readers answered in the affirmative to the question about the need for Russia's intervention in the internal affairs of Ukraine. Only 3% is against (not otherwise Yarosh with Tyagnibok is still thrown on their resources).

Interestingly, a year ago, the results of a similar poll differed strikingly, though not qualitatively - 2013% of our readers spoke out for intervention in the spring of 54, and 42% were against. Then, as it is easy to remember, there was another alarm on the agenda - whether Ukraine is “euro-associated” or does it take a course towards a customs union with Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus. All, with the Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk. How naive were some then, believing that this question has a simple answer that will allow to close the topic ...

Now, one would hardly be surprised at such a transformation of public opinion toward the unconditional introduction of troops. It is absolutely adequate to the prevailing circumstances, moreover dictated by the presence of a mandate to deploy troops, which was given by the Federation Council to the Supreme Commander 1 in March this year. But so far we have only decided to limit ourselves to military exercises near the western borders, which, of course, frightened Kiev and well confused the maps, threw off their “blitzkrieg” at the Donbass.

In general, opponents of the entry of a peacekeeping contingent, including from among the hot statists, lead to seemingly convincing arguments. No, this is not about sanctions (others worry about them), but about the consequences that are much more dire - for example, the prospect of getting a well-quartered NATO contingent somewhere a couple of kilometers from the Russian border in Chernihiv, Sumy, and perhaps Kharkov regions.

“We are specially provoked! We must not allow a fatal mistake, we need to calm down emotions and turn on the mind! ”, The near-Kremlin military strategists broadcast, angrily resenting themselves at the“ provocateurs ”already inside Russia, who consider this position to be treacherous.

But no one says that the introduction of troops is a simple solution. Inevitable costs are calculated by our “hawks” more than. No illusions, no separation from reality. But then what would you do with the situation in the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics? How to explain the position of Moscow to citizens of Odessa, Kharkiv and Zaporozhye? They should try to rely on her support if anything?

“Now not only the DPR is threatened, but the whole of New Russia, the Crimea and Russia,” stated Eurasian political scientist Alexander Dugin on his Facebook page. - Putin justified the Crimea, and before that South Ossetia and Abkhazia in order to save people from genocide. The genocide of the inhabitants of Donetsk is in full swing. The eleven-year-old girl from Slavyansk is no longer holding the poster "God, how you want to live." She was killed by a Nazi sniper ... Losses among the civilian population and the militia are in the hundreds. On the destruction of people thrown regular troops. At the same time, Putin’s entourage, in fact, gives him an ultimatum so that he does not interfere in any way. It's just a real betrayal, the sixth column in his eyes turns into the fifth. In such a situation, the delay of death is like. "

It seems that the time has come for the Russian leader to at least widely articulate his personal position regarding the introduction of troops, with an analysis of all the arguments and counter-arguments. And it is desirable that in their list there was nothing about the probable sanctions.

It will be indecent.

Political analyst, editor-in-chief of Geopolitics magazine Leonid Savin gave his answer to the question proposed by our readers about the need for Russia's intervention in the internal political situation in Ukraine:

- Of course, we must intervene, because this is not about the internal affairs of Ukraine, but directly related to the Russian Federation. After all, the same Russian people live in Ukraine, which was divided as a result of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Moreover, I think that it is necessary to honestly say that complete sovereignty in the modern world does not exist. All states somehow interfere in the internal affairs of other states. Even despite the territorial distance: the same US quietly intervenes in the affairs of Southeast Asia and Africa under the guise of promoting human rights, their own national interests, or some other tasks.

As for Ukraine, there is no doubt that the local government was initiated by Washington and Brussels in order to push the border of its geopolitical interests to the east and bring it as close as possible to the borders of the Russian Federation.

So our intervention in the internal affairs of Ukraine in such conditions will be nothing more than the protection of the national interests of the Russian Federation.

But how can we make this intervention more effective, no less than that of the United States?

- Now we need to talk about reformatting international cooperation. In order to be listened to, it is necessary to enlist the help of allies - these are not only the BRICS countries, but also any of those participants in the international process who are building orders different from those built by Brussels and Washington. It is completely obvious that the satellites of the Western world are widely represented in the same UN.

So the key to the solution is to build high-quality bilateral relations with a number of states that in certain situations can come up with us in a united front, but of course we should also support them in solving their specific issues.
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  1. saag
    saag 29 May 2014 18: 43
    +10
    So far they are letting the situation develop on their own
    1. vvp2412
      vvp2412 29 May 2014 18: 54
      +8
      Have you seen any videos of our military (including Chechen soldiers on Kamaz trucks and with memory)? Yesterday we arrived in Donetsk. Filmed by an American correspondent!
      1. Vesnik
        Vesnik 29 May 2014 20: 07
        +17
        The 3rd World War began.
        Russia-Iran-China-Syria, etc., on the one hand.
        Amenica-EU + "support group" on the other.
        Obama said so at a meeting of the military at the base - we are the main ones in the world, we can! interfere in the affairs of any country! Who is "how"? ..
        I'm crazy ...
        Not that "I received my sight" or "my eyes were opened," but the arrogance of this "gentleman" and what he says ... this is war !! now "by someone else's hands" .. but it seems that someone, someone, somewhere "lupanet" and will begin .. will begin to love! It's a matter of time ...
        confidence - 100%
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 29 May 2014 20: 19
        +10
        Quote: vvp2412
        Video with our military

        LIGHTNING: Kharkov partisans attacked a column of punishers
        Unknown Kharkov partisans fired at a column of punitive troops returning from Slavyansk. The trailing Kamaz received the greatest damage. The truck is pierced by bullets, there is no glass.

        An ambush was organized in the Kharkov region, not far from Raisins.


        At least several people were killed and several were injured. Several ambulances arrived at the scene.

        After the attack, the group went green, followed by sluggishly followed by Ukrainian soldiers. There is no fight yet, sometimes single shots are heard.

        The road is completely blocked by the frightened military, they do not let anyone in or out. When trying to approach, they lay face down in the ground.

        One dead National Guard lies on the pavement. An investigation team is working nearby.
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 30 May 2014 00: 03
          0
          Quote: Rus2012
          Kharkov partisans attacked a column of punishers

          Ukrovoyaki confirm one killed and three wounded.
          According to them, KAMAZ was shot from a car that caught up, which then immediately disappeared ...
      3. woron333444
        woron333444 30 May 2014 07: 22
        +1
        link needed
    2. vvp2412
      vvp2412 29 May 2014 18: 55
      +9
      Again: Kamaz with the wounded who were recently shot by the Nazis, new! Where are they from? Have you taken from the moon?
      No snot needed. They help. Quiet, no noise!
      Ukroleti and a plane shot down from a slingshot or what?
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 29 May 2014 20: 45
        +3
        Quote: vvp2412
        Ukroleti and a plane shot down from a slingshot or what?

        Rogozin even advised astronauts to launch astronauts with slingshots!
    3. 311ove
      311ove 29 May 2014 18: 58
      +3
      the time has come for the Russian leader to at least broadly voice his personal position regarding the deployment of troops, with an analysis of all the arguments and counterarguments. And it is desirable that there was nothing in their list about probable sanctions.

      It will be indecent. (c) Without it, I think it’s definitely nowhere !!!!
    4. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 29 May 2014 19: 35
      +14
      Quote: saag
      So far they are letting the situation develop on their own

      On our own into the abyss for Russia! This is the first article after the escalation of the junta's punitive atrocities in the South - East and the events in Odessa, where the essence of what is happening in Ukraine and Moscow is presented with utmost clarity and precision. Traitors lament about the inadmissibility of a military operation throughout Ukraine. Don't pick a number for this column! This is a column of state criminals and idiots, counting on the gratitude of the owners of the Kiev junta, or oligophrenics preferring to repeat after the "officials" from "understanding - no matter what happens!" No agreements with the USA are POSSIBLE IN PRINCIPLE !!! The goal of the United States in Ukraine is to deliver a strategic strike against Russia, preventing the possibility of an almost complete response. The entire history of the Russian State suggests that the territory called "Ukraine" should be under absolute control! - Like any other region of Russia. This can only be done as a result of a full-scale military action.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 29 May 2014 21: 10
        +2
        Quote: 1812 1945
        Under its own power into the abyss for Russia! This is the first article after the escalation of punitive atrocities of the junta in the South-East and the events in Odessa, where the essence of what is happening in Ukraine and Moscow is extremely clearly and accurately presented.
        - to be honest, also puzzled by Putin's indecision. If he is cowardly - go out of the post of President, he is not worthy of him! Putin, I declare bluntly! Okay, I kept silent when they burned alive in Odessa. But now they are hammering civilians with helicopters by airplanes, with UN symbols on board, and Putin, in a private conversation with the Italian leader, is begging for something there! Something I don’t recognize ... Where "to wet in the toilets?" Age, or what? If age - again give way, personalities appeared, highlighted, they are, it turns out, in Russia. Just a couple of years ago, it seemed that there was no one besides Putin ... And now everything looks like a match - Strelkov, Borodai, Pushilin, Aksenov ... And again - Shoigu. There are personalities, and if you are a coward, make room, thank you, of course, that even though you decided to go to Crimea, you probably didn’t sleep at night, tried to convince yourself all ... Enough, stop thinking about yourself, either work, or free up space, now there are really no irreplaceable ones. Sorry, it's boiling, I'll pop a warning again.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 29 May 2014 22: 09
          +5
          Quote: aksakal
          - To be honest, also puzzled by Putin's indecision.

          He knows something more than we do, not in vain asked to postpone the referendum - the big game continues.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 29 May 2014 23: 34
            0
            Quote: lelikas
            He knows something more than we do, not in vain asked to postpone the referendum - the big game continues.

            - do not care what he knows there am am He knows what he put in his pants, Hey Putin, can you tell me? Here's what I read: "But the message for May 29." There will be no more bulletins, comrades. There are reasons for that. One thing I can say - they are shelling. In the afternoon - the city, now they are hammering Semyonovka with howitzers ... for a long time ... already two hours And they don’t care if we shoot, or we don’t shoot at them. They believed that Russia would not intervene. Hence the confidence in impunity. ”This - Strelkov writes, this is his last letter. Really - I am waiting for the summer, there will be no outside For Russia of actions, I’ll become an anti-Russian, it’s time to write off cowards, to say something “we are the best, we are spiritual, we have a holy mission!” What the hell is a mission? In fact, a coward! Some stinking sanctions were scared to death! We weren't afraid of hunger, but here it would be difficult to buy a Western clothes or a wheelbarrow, how can we live on? No, we won't be able to live, and therefore, go Strelkov, forest field, die like a dog, so what if you're Russian. they will cut off oxygen, and without clothes, life is not nice to us. This is also my last post for the next period of time, I will wait for positive Putin's side ... Will not - well, to hell with you, everything will be clear to you.
            1. Russ69
              Russ69 30 May 2014 00: 10
              0
              Quote: aksakal
              - don't care what he knows there am am

              It just does not care, not knowing all the alignments is difficult to judge. In our country, emotions most often prevail.
              That's when he says something, then it will be clear.
              And then tired, for the umpteenth time to hear why Putin is silent. Usually after a long silence, GDP did the right thing. I hope we will not be disappointed ...
              Today, the withdrawal of troops was suspended, sort of. And Peskov said that humanitarian aid would be provided, despite the Kiev ban.
            2. ermolai
              ermolai 30 May 2014 04: 56
              +1
              and I don’t understand something. then Putin is obliged to send troops, and the fact that snot mordovoroty are launched from the drawer screen and ask why they shoot and bomb us? and therefore the junta shoots you because with such ryahs you sit at home under the woman’s skirt. should others die? no, the fascist will come your zhink will fuck you in the mine and drive you as a slave, maybe then you will reach but it’ll become too late,
          2. not main
            not main 30 May 2014 00: 47
            +1
            Quote: lelikas
            He knows something more than we do, not in vain asked to postpone the referendum - the big game continues

            The fact of the matter is that everyone sees the situation from their own steps! Something tells me that Putin will be higher on this ladder! PS MUCH!
        2. Andrey82
          Andrey82 29 May 2014 22: 28
          +1
          Yeah, in fact, then why do we need an army, nuclear weapons ?! Why is it impossible at all to transfer NATO troops to Poland, Romania and the Baltic states, to build a missile defense system and the possible installation of banned medium-range nuclear missiles under the guise of anti-missiles, to declare as preparations for an attack on Russia? In this case, as the Americans themselves, in 1962, an ultimatum must be presented. Either you withdraw troops from the Baltic states and Poland, remove nuclear missiles from missile defense bases, or you push the world into a nuclear war and deliver a preemptive strike against NATO missiles and military men who have prepared to attack us.
          Why are they swallowing everything in the Kremlin? Maybe they found the accounts? Hey Mr. President, what are you talking about? We do not climb to them. and they are to us.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 29 May 2014 23: 42
            +3
            Quote: Andrey82
            Why are they swallowing everything in the Kremlin? Maybe they found the accounts? Hey Mr. President, what are you talking about? We do not climb to them. and they are to us.


            Let's take a closer look at the objectives of this military peacekeeping operation. Offhand the main ones
            1. Prevent Ukraine from joining NATO and deploying bases on its territory.
            2. Denazification and prohibition of the Nazi and Russophobic regime to power
            3. Do not allow the genocide of the Russian population of the South-East
            Now the question is whether we can solve these problems by military means. At first glance, obviously YES! But under the condition of CONTROL OVER THE WHOLE TERRITORY OF UKRAINE. and not only in the DPR as it was in South Ossetia, because Saakashvili’s regime didn’t go anywhere in Georgia after the war.
            Therefore, it is necessary to decide radically, the army enters the Ukraine and reaches Kiev in a few days, then captures the whole of Ukraine. "Patriots" rejoice, Putin's rating is 140%
            Goals achieved, BUT SMALL CHALLENGES
            1. In the EU, which is actively resisting sanctions, there is panic and a sharp increase in anti-Russian sentiment. Maximum sanctions are being imposed against the Russian Federation with a terrifying effect, primarily for the European economy, which immediately falls into recession. Against this background, the Americans are easily pushing for the signing of their version of The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, a trade pact that turns the EU into an appendage of the American economy. Sanctions against the Russian Federation destroy European business, and the removal of trade barriers with the United States finishes it. Itog- as well as after WW2 the EU in crisis, Russia is under sanctions and in a state of war, in fact, with its own people and the huge costs of restoring the ukroeconomy, while conducting a constant fight against partisans fueled from abroad. And the Northern Caucasus and Dagestan have not gone anywhere, as have the problems of separatism and extremism within the country, which will only intensify. And it turns out, again, that the main beneficiaries are the bankers from Wall Street, they turn off the printing press, put the entire eurozone under themselves, pouring inflationary surpluses of the dollar bubble there according to the next "Marshal's plan" and they are completely hooked in EU chocolate. Russia is not up to the global the tasks of creating alliances "against the dollar" and taking advantage of our problems, the same potential strategic partners are beginning to twist our hands on all issues of cooperation, the same China and Iran with oil and gas contracts. And who is ultimately the winner in the war? And who is a sucker in this situation? Obama and the bankers are clearly not. Yes, and China, as a minimum, will not lose anything, but will only get another lever for twisting our hands by "soft power"
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 29 May 2014 23: 42
              +6
              Russia is left with only a feeling of deep moral satisfaction, economic problems and future curses from the widespread Ukrainians who will be dissatisfied with "life under occupation"
              What I was once again convinced of when I talked to my cousin who lives in Dneprokolomoysk, where there is no Bander. Everything is fine. Everyone works and you and your Putin are real fascists who destroy the brotherly people. I only asked her mother who didn’t say this under 80, they parted on that ...

              Once again, I say that a rash introduction of troops will not solve the problem, this is stupidity and a gamble. The situation is developing so that there will be another Maidan in Kiev and a war between everyone and everyone, where we absolutely should not meddle. It is necessary to fight not with the consequence of the crisis, but with its cause - the United States, but for the transition to the phase of acute confrontation, time and effort are needed in order to create the most comfortable conditions for solving the problems of decoupling from the dollar, working with China, Iran, Qatar, creating the Eurasian Economic Community, etc. .d. And steps in this direction, as we see, are being made rapidly - China and the EurAsEC are an example. When we solve these problems, then it will be possible to talk with the "chosen ones" from the position of strength and in an adult way.
            2. Andrey82
              Andrey82 29 May 2014 23: 57
              -2
              I did not speak about troop entry. I talked about the likely deployment of US nuclear missiles in mines under the guise of missile defense and a recurrence of the Caribbean crisis on the contrary. It is necessary to present an ultimatum and not wait for us to be destroyed in 3-4 minutes with the first blow. It is a pity we do not have our own Kennedy and McNamara, but only indifferent and silent rulers.
            3. saag
              saag 30 May 2014 06: 32
              -1
              Since you brought one version of events, let’s take the second - when the Russian Federation does not send troops
              1. Andrey82
                Andrey82 30 May 2014 11: 35
                0
                You enter - you will make a gift for NATO. It quickly occupies the west and center of Ukraine.
                We will be in the role of aggressor no matter how you make excuses. We need to blame the United States for supporting Nazism directly, and not with streamlined phrases, to express concern. It is necessary to stop the operation of the NATO point on Russian soil in Ulyanovsk. We need to stop sponsoring the Russian genocide in Ukraine with free gas. It is necessary to accuse the United States of deploying nuclear missiles under the guise of missile defense in Europe to attack Russia. Actually Amer’s leadership did just that in the days of the Caribbean crisis. Our leadership is collaborating with NATO, expressing concern, supplying free gas and languidly looking at the possible deployment of nuclear missiles at our borders. This is a shame and betrayal.
        3. g1v2
          g1v2 30 May 2014 02: 08
          +2
          How stupid tantrums zadolbali, as if not here, but a forum of the Institute of noble girls. It seems that it is full of officers, and the behavior, like a child in a store - enter, otherwise I will cry aaaa. Guys, turn off snot and emotions and turn on brains if you don’t leak into your handkerchief. There are such things as tactics and strategy. Strelkov, Bolotov and others are now engaged in tactics, and the GDP strategy. And his strategy is paying off. Comrades military, remember what you were taught and look at the situation from the point of view of the chief of staff. What the Ukrainians were able to do was nothing, they didn’t take a single fortified point, they didn’t smash anyone, they just disgraced themselves and suffered heavy losses. Guys, there are countries where there are fewer turntables than Ukrainians have lost. Every day the militia grows stronger and grows older. Even the video shows that the weapons are on. This does not mean that Putin should scream from the balcony that we are helping, but the turntables are not felling. There is a civil war and there will be casualties, but otherwise it does not happen. Comrade officers, do not hysteria about the corpses, for sure you not only saw them in life in the video. To be honest, I hope that there will be more interesting information and ideas in the comments, and not just the gross domestic product, or Putin, well done.
          1. antikilller55
            antikilller55 30 May 2014 05: 55
            0
            I completely agree with you, hysteria rushing at full speed.
            1. Andrey82
              Andrey82 30 May 2014 11: 41
              0
              That is, you openly support the NATO fascists in Ulyanovsk, when the United States sent mercenaries to Ukraine, or maybe special forces disguised as mercenaries? When did they start the genocide of Russians in Ukraine with the hands of Bandera? That is, you openly support the supply of free gas to the anti-Russian regime in Ukraine? That is, you openly agreed with the successfully implemented Brzezinski’s doctrine - “Against Russia, at the expense of Russia and on the wreck of Russia”? That is, as I understand it, it is this doctrine that guides the Kremlin in its policy?
      2. alexdol
        alexdol 29 May 2014 22: 01
        +6
        1812 1945 RU "Quote: saag So far, let the situation develop on its own"
        ----------------------------------------------------------
        I completely agree with your comment. But here the point is that very many have been well hammered into their heads that what is happening now in Ukraine / and this is not a part of Russia / is exclusively the case of "Ukraine"? And the fifth column in Russia continues to operate, because it has not gone anywhere! From what I happened to read here, in general, it turns out that the Crimea returned home to Russia thanks to I.I. Strelkov!
        He continued the business in Slavyansk, as he well understands the importance of the South-East for Russia ... If only these "Medvedevs" did not harm, but at least did not interfere ...
    5. Rus2012
      Rus2012 29 May 2014 20: 22
      +4
      Quote: saag
      So far they are letting the situation develop on their own

      Russia will provide DNR humanitarian assistance
      Russia will provide humanitarian assistance to the Donetsk People’s Republic, said presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov of the Russian News Service radio station.

      “Humanitarian aid will be provided to them without fail. I can’t say anything about the military, I have to ask the military themselves about this, but we will certainly provide humanitarian aid, ”Interfax quotes him.

      Well, you understand - wherever the cars with humanitarian assistance go, you can bring anything you want. What the United States has practiced widely in all countries, from Kosovo and Libya to Syria. And when you try to prevent the delivery of humanitarian aid - immediately begins a tantrum at the UN about a humanitarian catastrophe in the region and the villainous power that destroys the people. So the United States raked back its own technology.

      source - http://takie.org/news/rossija_okazhet_dnr_gumanitarnuju_pomoshh/2014-05-29-10676
      1. lidiy
        lidiy 30 May 2014 01: 29
        +1
        And when you try to prevent the delivery of humanitarian aid - immediately begins a tantrum at the UN about a humanitarian catastrophe in the region and the villainous authorities.
        The hysteria would begin only if the states were carrying help. And since Russia will provide assistance, there will be no tantrum.
      2. saag
        saag 30 May 2014 07: 52
        0
        Kiev did not allow Russia to deliver humanitarian aid to the East of Ukraine

        Details: http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1808233.html#ixzz33AQZ2EeT
        Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM news agency.
    6. Akvadra
      Akvadra 29 May 2014 21: 08
      +5
      It is indisputable that the actions of Russia should be more resolute and distinct. Moreover, in all areas, without exception: diplomatic, economic, military, informational, etc. The question is not just prestige. The issue of life or the death of the state. Stop the enemy, for good, it was necessary earlier. But this is the last frontier. No wonder Slavyansk is called Slavengrad, by analogy with Stalingrad. Then the war will roll on our land. I hope that Putin has the strength to deal with the fifth column and act freely and decisively.
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  3. jovanni
    jovanni 29 May 2014 18: 47
    +18
    Once my deceased comrade issued such an aphorism: Having said "A", do not be "B"! Here we are waiting ... And our people are dying in the meantime.
    1. zzz
      zzz 29 May 2014 20: 32
      +2
      Lugansk. Alchevsk deputies forbade carrying out anti-terrorist operation in the city, - mass media

      Deputies of the Alchevsk City Council at a plenary session held today, on May 29, adopted a decision "On ensuring security ...", in which, among other things, they banned "potentially dangerous measures" with the use of military units on the territory of Alchevsk. It is reported by the local newspaper "Week".

      According to the Secretary of the Alchevsk City Council Nikolai Chunykhi, such a decision is in the competence of local authorities and will be sent to central authorities.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 29 May 2014 18: 47
    +23
    After the massacre in ODESSA, I have no doubt that the peace of the RUSSIAN PEOPLE with the Ukrainians. Natsiks will not be in principle.
  5. mad
    mad 29 May 2014 18: 48
    +16
    Horror story for liberal shit)
    1. DerSamowar
      DerSamowar 29 May 2014 19: 19
      +5
      A similar horror story for the sons of democracy.

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    3. chehywed
      chehywed 30 May 2014 00: 00
      0
      Let it be so!!! laughing
  6. vvp2412
    vvp2412 29 May 2014 18: 53
    +9
    The girl is alive, our troops have already been deployed. Need to follow the news. About the troops here and posted a record.
  7. Egoza
    Egoza 29 May 2014 18: 56
    +35
    I completely agree with the opinion of a comrade whose statement I quote below ...
    What Europe thinks doesn't matter. Her opinion no longer worries the LPR and the DPR.
    Naturally, the EU, as it should, "relies" only on the "data" of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry ... Well, and so on. Simply because that is how they need to see the situation. And nothing else. They still NEVER admit that there is purely popular resistance in Donbass and it is growing. Simply for the reason that they have been organizing all kinds of “popular” uprisings “for democracy” for a long time and “productively” and simply have no idea what could be otherwise. Well, since they "send militants, supply money and weapons, and quite OFFICIALLY (the same Syria, Libya), then it can only be THIS, they also supplied and nurtured the Maidan, so someone is supplying and fostering the resistance of the southeast They have nothing else in their heads.
    As for the "Geneva agreements", one should read them first, and only then refer to them. "
    Xxxxxx
    About Crimea ... and Crimeans
    they are not naive and did not think about it at all. That is honest. I have too many loved ones in Crimea to not know what they really thought.
    There was no naivety from the very beginning. There was fear and there was a desire to fence off ANY PRICE from Kiev crap. And now they are really happy when they receive RF papers not because they are so enthusiastic about the RF and Putin, but because they get the official status of NOT UKRAINIANS. This is the euphoria of not lust, this is the euphoria of a man who escaped from a shipwreck and set foot on solid ground, even an uninhabited island. And this feeling for a long time and it is unlikely that some economic turmoil associated with the revenge of the former homeland can overshadow him (strongly). And they (I guarantee this) will never regret that in March they made such a decision.
    This is Crimea. "
    1. alexng
      alexng 29 May 2014 23: 49
      +2
      Yes, the Crimea escaped from captivity. Glory to those who were directly involved in this, i.e. residents of the Crimea. But Ukraine jumped-jumped to collapse. In July I’m going to Crimea to have a rest and visit my relatives ... - tickets have already been bought. good drinks
  8. datur
    datur 29 May 2014 18: 56
    +6
    WHY troops --- VOLUNTEERS !!!!! wassat
    1. Echelon
      Echelon 29 May 2014 20: 35
      +6
      Volunteers?
      Where the paratroopers will be sent, they will want to go there !!! laughing
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  9. Egoza
    Egoza 29 May 2014 18: 57
    +13
    "Just like in Donbass they will continue to fight, even if Dontsk is rolled out by tanks, and Slavyansk is wiped off the face of the earth by hailstones and typhoons.
    Maidan and subsequent events created the image of a real (physically existing) enemy. And now, in all cases, if the situation persists, the central tsk, the power will be perceived as occupation in these territories. Not as a protection and guarantee of the rights and freedoms of citizens ... but just like that. By the way, I feel something like this today, because even normally I can't go to the woods to barbecue without bumping into some scoundrels with guns that do not inspire confidence. It turns out that they "protect" me from me and may well put a queue in me for this purpose (well, to protect me).
    As for the redistribution of property - this is the same thing that would have awaited Crimea in cases of a different scenario and what is now happening everywhere. The coup standard.
    The rest - I never considered it negative to take the business out of the shadows. For he himself did not work a day in the shade. And I think that so much is better, both for the business and for the system as a whole. The redistribution will affect only the "big uncles" who, as a rule, did not live in the Crimea. Well, I am still a little connected with the Crimean business (I have just completed projects for the development of a field in Crimea) and I know perfectly well where the "owners" of this business sit and how often they visit the territory of the facility.
    About WATER in the first place and electricity in the second place. A matter of time - about two years. The SCC is primarily an irrigation system (it was built for that), which has not been working for a long time. It was partially used for water supply to settlements in parallel to previously existing sources. It was just convenient "not to sweat", but "for the company." Do not forget that all large settlements, excluding Shchelkino, existed long before the construction of the canal.
    Power supply is a matter of more business than citizens. The main consumer is Crimea-Titan. (Kazhovka). And he, as you know, is private property.
    Well, then - just no one scratched a turnip for many years on the topic. Now they will scratch. For the floor of the Crimea is filled with abandoned "clean" energy sources.
    In general, you shouldn't gloat. They buy a little "at European prices" and then stop buying at all. This is also the law of business. It is difficult to drastically change the situation in three months, especially when you take into account malevolent revenge. "
  10. Agent 008
    Agent 008 29 May 2014 18: 59
    +11
    Sooner or later Russia will have to intervene! It’s just that now there are hundreds of those killed, and when Russia intervenes, they will number in the thousands! I’m not talking about the loss of confidence in the authorities ...
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 30 May 2014 01: 12
      +1
      Let the parents of the recruits who were thrown to slaughter intervene first. In Donetsk, it has already begun - parents from Volyn took their children. So it began to reach that a march to the drum would not work. well, and who did not hide ... bully
  11. boozer
    boozer 29 May 2014 19: 00
    +11
    Parosenko had an awesome chance to somehow try to get out of this bloody massacre. But alas, he is not a diplomat and a trashy politician. He is a "chocolate king" with the manners of a dashing 90s bandit. He is probably not a bad manager and manager, he has administrative skills. But for the president this is not enough ... Ukraine with its problems, the dominance of nationalists of all stripes, continuing the carve-up of everything and everyone, hundreds of innocent deaths in this carve-up, the civil war, and this Ukraine, believe me, is not a chocolate factory! Replacing real chocolate with a soy substitute won't help! The taste of blood cannot be overcome with cheap food additives and flavor enhancers! Porosenko is missing his chance every minute, alas, he is not a politician, he is not even a pastry chef, he is a manager of the chocolate kingdom of Ukraine ...
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 30 May 2014 07: 38
      +2
      Poroshenko does not solve anything. There are all advisers and assistants to the Americans. They make politics. And Poroshenko is a doll pulled by ropes from across the ocean.
  12. ochakow703
    ochakow703 29 May 2014 19: 04
    +13
    Our wait-and-see attitude can end very badly. The unfinished government of Kiev is recognized as a geyrope and amerikosy. So they quickly ask for military assistance, and those, moreover, "on legal grounds" provide it ... and we are in a puddle, NATO near Moscow. And the fraternal people of Ukraine are terrified. So, as Comrade Lenin said, "Delay is like death."
  13. Andrenaline
    Andrenaline 29 May 2014 19: 08
    +4
    Charming PorosEnko. With a pork snout in a Kalashny row ... laughing To his fat! Though he will raise the economy a little, the great martyr bl wassat
  14. Signaller
    Signaller 29 May 2014 19: 09
    +16
    Leonid Ivashov: Russia today revels in the victories of hockey players, the annexation of the Crimea, the Olympics, the St. Petersburg Economic Forum, etc., but does not work as it should, according to the situation in the South-East of Ukraine. There is absolutely no political and diplomatic offensive. It has long been necessary to demand an urgent convocation of the UN Security Council, to propose a resolution on the creation of a no-fly zone, to end violence, to demand the convocation of a Security Council commission, and the same on the OSCE and other international organizations. It has long been necessary to give an international legal assessment of this fascism in Ukraine. In addition, I believe that today Russia, through the mouth of the President or the Minister of Foreign Affairs, should present an ultimatum of the following nature: "If these bombings and murders of civilians do not stop within XNUMX hours, Russia will launch the process of recognizing the independence of the Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics with all the ensuing consequences." ... In addition, it is necessary to provide humanitarian assistance to this region, to raise the world humanitarian organizations - the Red Cross, UNESCO, etc. That is, the policy of a diplomatic offensive should go in all directions, relying on military force.
    This is what retired generals think. So people think. But the oligarchs think only of grannies. They don’t need it. MAMON is more important to them. Here it is possible to raise the question — TO WHERE CONDITION SHOULD THIS MURDERLY ACTION BE REACHED — until our politicians and the army take action specifically ???
  15. domokl
    domokl 29 May 2014 19: 09
    +16
    Hmm ... Why is it that under the word intervention everyone stubbornly sees only our soldiers ... why is it necessary to introduce troops under the mark of saving the Slavic Russian or some other world? Put yourself in the place of Ukrainian citizens (without nationality, all), which 23 years, they washed the brain, which the brain and the media and the government are now making the most shameless lies. Do you really think that Ukrainians do not believe what Yatsenyuk and K say? So talk, since the Internet makes it possible to talk to people on Skype or ICQ ... They are sure that the militias are overwhelmingly Russian militants trained in the camps of the Special Forces of the GRU of Russia. And the Ukrainians are all against it. It’s not funny, but we also help them strengthen this faith ... Even here.
    Now we need not send soldiers, but modern weapons and equipment ... There are enough soldiers there, and internationalist volunteers too. We need to give them the opportunity to adequately respond to shelling and air raids ... And then the dill army and all these battalions of the National Anal Guard will scatter yourself ...
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    2. Signaller
      Signaller 29 May 2014 19: 46
      +7
      Well, yes, the T-72 convoy sent to them without crews is like two fingers on the asphalt, only all one, we will be considered invaders anyway. ANYWAY. Therefore, why fence the garden. Is it not easier to unilaterally introduce a no-fly zone over this region. ???
      1. domokl
        domokl 29 May 2014 20: 14
        +8
        Quote: Signaller
        only one thing, in any case, we will be considered invaders. ANYWAY.

        Uh, no ... It just doesn’t work either with Western governments or with dill ... there’s a lot of chatter about the occupation, but zero facts ... And now, the technology will go right away, as soon as either the Americans rustle or NATO members .. and they understand this ... And the crews ... This is also not a problem ... Worked out in Spain ... We withdraw for the state ... or we’ll fire with the subsequent restoration)) And the volunteers will go on their own tanks.
        1. saag
          saag 29 May 2014 20: 18
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          And the volunteers will go on their own tanks.

          the tank is not Lada Grant for you, you won’t buy it at the car market, there’s a tank in Lugansk, but without ammunition
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 29 May 2014 22: 14
            +2
            Quote: saag
            the tank is not Lada Grant for you, you won’t buy it at the car market, there’s a tank in Lugansk, but without ammunition

            In Crimea there are captured tanks - you can arrange it as a return to Ukraine - think, the region made a mistake and returned to Donetsk;).
          2. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
            Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 29 May 2014 22: 38
            +3
            Tanks in the Crimea in bulk. We were going to send them to Ukraine? Who prevents us from doing this now - after all, mattress covers and a geyropa recognize Donetsk and Lugansk as Ukraine - let them get it. The juntas didn’t pick up this equipment on time, so we sent it to another address - but most importantly - to Ukraine! And in the Crimea, and not only the tanks were still left ... By the way, ammunition for all weapons is also there. It is necessary to give. We don’t need someone else’s. wassat
            1. ermolai
              ermolai 30 May 2014 05: 44
              0
              so for that and slowed down
    3. alebor
      alebor 30 May 2014 11: 37
      0
      Quote: domokl
      Hmm ... Why is it that under the word intervention everyone stubbornly sees only our soldiers ... why is it necessary to introduce troops under the mark of the salvation of the Slavic Russian or some other world there?

      To be honest, I do not know what the mentality of the inhabitants of the East of Ukraine is, but for the sake of interest I looked into the ubiquitous Wikipedia and looked at the ethnic composition of the regions, the so-called "Slobozhanshchina and Novorossia". So:
      Donetsk: Ukrainians 57%, Russians 38%,
      Lugansk: Ukrainians 58%, Russians 39%,
      Odessa: Ukrainians 63%, Russians 20%,
      Kharkiv: Ukrainians 70%, Russians 25%,
      Zaporizhzhya: Ukrainians 70%, Russians 25%,
      Dnepropetrovsk: Ukrainians 71%, Russians 24%,
      Kherson: Ukrainians 82%, Russians 14%,
      Nikolaev: Ukrainians 82%, Russian 14%.

      Looking at such a national composition (albeit largely conditional, since many families are mixed), the question arises: does the Ukrainian majority want to bring in Russian troops? Will they welcome them or perceive them as aggressors and occupiers? From the fact that they do not like Bandera and nationalists from the West of Ukraine, does it follow that they want to send Russian troops? I have a strong doubt about this. It is one thing for Russia to support the Russian-speaking East of Ukraine and a completely different deployment of troops there.
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  16. saag
    saag 29 May 2014 19: 13
    0
    Quote: domokl
    Now it’s necessary not to send soldiers, but modern weapons and equipment ... There are enough soldiers there, and internationalist volunteers too. We need to give them the opportunity to adequately respond to shelling and air raids.

    Self-propelled guns and aviation or what? It’s easier for them to be bought or stolen from the Ukrainian army than to send such a thing from the Russian Federation
    1. domokl
      domokl 29 May 2014 20: 17
      +3
      Enough modern means of air defense and PTS ... self-propelled guns. Which are armed with dill, although modern, but there is no one to control them, as ATO has shown ... The vast majority of soldiers and officers ...
      1. saag
        saag 29 May 2014 20: 20
        +3
        not enough than you will press the battery of howitzers with bassoons or something?
  17. ksv1973
    ksv1973 29 May 2014 19: 14
    +5
    The further Russia will delay its military intervention in the Ukrainian conflict, the more casualties - human, political, financial and economic - it will itself bear. It is time for Putin to sharply and not hesitate in expressions (without obscenities, of course) to express to the USA and Europe everything that Russia thinks about the Nazi bacchanalia in Ukraine. And after that, send in troops, at the same time carry out special operations and beat up all the current "Ukrainian leaders". Why NATO can afford this (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya), but Russia cannot?
    1. gandalf
      gandalf 29 May 2014 19: 44
      +3
      Understand that if Russia sends troops, then this fact will remove that barrier (war with its people) for the Ukrainian military. And they will start shooting ... fall into the civilians, and then tell the whole world that there were Russian paratroopers. Russia will immediately act as an aggressor, all the channels of the world will raise a howl ... The Ukrainian military, who do not want to fight with the people, will have no excuses about the illegality of orders ...

      All the stuffing about the use of the Grad is an attempt to take on Putin's "weak", provoking even to some militant statement - they will immediately promote ukrosmiya, they will stir up hysteria there, but already having "proof" of Russia's belligerence. Now such hysteria is not so effective precisely because of its deceit.
      1. 222222
        222222 29 May 2014 20: 23
        +4
        gandalf SU Today, 19:44 ↑ New
        "All the stuff about the use of the Grad is an attempt to take on Putin's" weak ", .."
        ... maybe we recall how the Yankees with the Kaolitsi took weakly .. Yugoslavia, Libya. Afghanistan, Iraq twice .. Tomahawks of all kinds from submarines, ships, planes .. without disassembling. moreover, they shot films and showed them to the whole world .. They weakly took the whole WORLD ..
      2. sv68
        sv68 29 May 2014 20: 30
        +5
        Gender is nothing in Russian? But now the Ukrainian soldiers are not shooting at the population, they aren’t shitting Russia, the press isn’t poisoning us? You’re talking nonsense, our silence is now perceived not as weakness but as cowardice of the state. we don’t give a damn about everything the UN, EU, OSCE, NATO and other brainless offices! Before, many thought that Putin was silent because he had such cunning tactics, and now even on the streets they say that the priest is silent because he simply has nothing to say. to find out how events-recognition of fascism, a new loan, discounts on gas, and, as a result of everything — military bases near our borders will develop further ... the priest should express his opinion about the politician in relation to the events on ukroin and put everything in its place- or we help ACTIVELY to the new republics, or the authorities essentially betrayed them and threw them to the Nazis
        1. ermolai
          ermolai 30 May 2014 05: 52
          +1
          and you don’t look yourself, then don’t rush to drive the Nazis away, you’ll have a drink at the garden, look at the box like someone for your happiness Vanya the fool will put his head
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      4. ksv1973
        ksv1973 29 May 2014 20: 48
        +4
        Quote: gandalf
        Understand that if Russia sends troops, then this fact will remove that barrier (war with its people) for the Ukrainian military. And they will start shooting ... fall into the civilians, and then tell the whole world that there were Russian paratroopers. Russia will immediately act as an aggressor, all the channels of the world will raise a howl ... The Ukrainian military, who do not want to fight with the people, will have no excuses about the illegality of orders ...

        Already, now, they shoot and hit the civilians. And when Russia introduces troops - the overwhelming majority of the Ukrainian army, now hostage to its politically inadequate government - will simply become part of the Russian army, as recently happened in Crimea. The "excuse", as you put it, is that, legally, the army is not intended to destroy its own people.
        Those channels which, as you fear, will "raise a howl" may remove the first letter in the word "Channel" from their name.
  18. Stinger
    Stinger 29 May 2014 19: 15
    +3
    Another instigator who decided to solve the problem with "one parachute regiment". Chechnya alone is not enough. Or did you like the American methods of establishing the necessary order in Iraq and Australia?
    1. zol1
      zol1 29 May 2014 19: 49
      +6
      Look into the eyes of children, in which planes carrying death are reflected!
  19. saag
    saag 29 May 2014 19: 16
    +7
    Quote: ksv1973
    But can not Russia?

    Good question, when in the 56 in Hungary there was a maidan and people were killed, the USSR somehow did not think about sanctions and solved the problem quickly
    1. sub307
      sub307 29 May 2014 19: 27
      +6
      So the USSR was ....
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      2. Signaller
        Signaller 29 May 2014 19: 52
        +5
        And now we have become such humanists, just darkness. ??? Chechnya to help you with Colonel Budanov and his New Year’s gifts from 152 mm howitzers .. I personally support our actions in Chechnya, just do not need to build humanists out of yourself. If necessary, it will be no weaker than in the 40s.
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    4. ksv1973
      ksv1973 29 May 2014 20: 22
      +3
      Quote: saag
      Quote: ksv1973
      But can not Russia?

      Good question, when in the 56 in Hungary there was a maidan and people were killed, the USSR somehow did not think about sanctions and solved the problem quickly

      I firmly shake your hand!
  20. gandalf
    gandalf 29 May 2014 19: 24
    +3
    «Humanitarian aid will be provided to them necessarily. I can’t say anything about the military. About it need to ask the military themselvesbut we will certainly provide humanitarian aid, ”Peskov explained, the Russian News Service reports.


    So understand it as you want. But a hint of military assistance is more than obvious wink
  21. shyler
    shyler 29 May 2014 19: 27
    +3
    Today I talked about work with a guy from Kiev, here is his "washed" thought:
    "for that for Crimea we will be returned nuclear weapons .... and today our helicopter was shot down in Donetsk bastards"
    They then yes, only to think about nuclear weapons)
  22. X Y Z
    X Y Z 29 May 2014 19: 34
    +8
    We just got these "strategists" in slippers. Only they know when to send troops or not. Guys, if you were so smart at your workplace, then Russia would have flourished for a long time and everyone would have fled to us as citizens. There, in our think tanks, I hope there are specialists who know the situation better than you and who have the necessary knowledge and professionalism. You have already felt this in Crimea. Maybe that's why you shouldn't be clever and with the help of Klava earn a bloated authority on the Internet?
    1. sv68
      sv68 29 May 2014 20: 39
      +2
      xyz, where were your brain experts when Russia was losing friends, leaving Libya, Iraq and Serbia to their fate? You share your demagogy with your reflection in the mirror. The only thing you wrote right in your tirade is the word HOPE. But what?
  23. vsoltan
    vsoltan 29 May 2014 19: 42
    +7
    And I think we have a lot to learn from mattress makers - unceremoniously "defending democracy", "defending their interests" Vietnam, Cuba, Afghanistan, Latin America, Colombia, Iraq, Yugoslavia, the Middle East, the Caucasus, now Little Russia ... there is something to learn, especially since our economy and the armed forces finally allow it ... And they didn't care about the decrepit, incapacitated UN, the prostituted OSCE ... they do what they consider beneficial ... so intervene in doing business in our outskirts is our sacred duty, both historical, and geopolitical and moral. It was time already in March, until they got through ... it was not too late. The splicing of world capital is also hindered by personal indecision, which is by no means a military or diplomatic trick ... it's just that our oligarchs-rulers are not ready to sacrifice even a little ... THEIR children and grandchildren - live or move to calm, prosperous countries where bearded women. It's a shame for the state!
    1. zzz
      zzz 29 May 2014 22: 06
      +4
      Quote: vsoltan
      it’s just that our oligarchs-rulers are not ready to sacrifice even small ones .... THEIR children and grandchildren live or move to calm, prosperous countries where bearded women are not uncommon. It's a shame for the power!


      I fully support. It seems to me that this is where the dog is buried. Fear of losing your capital.
  24. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 29 May 2014 19: 50
    +9
    Quote: Jovanni
    Once my deceased comrade issued such an aphorism: Having said "A", do not be "B"! Here we are waiting ... And our people are dying in the meantime.

    After the said "A", a large-scale military operation is not always needed. Look at things soberly - this is a detonator for the 3rd World War. But there are a number of serious measures - perhaps the recognition of Novorossia, the formation of volunteer units, the supply of "out of nowhere" modern weapons, sabotage operations and the elimination of fascist leaders, finally economic sanctions and border closures, a visa regime. And all this with very powerful information support.
    I hope that it will be like that.
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 29 May 2014 23: 03
      0
      In your words, unambiguously, the truth and common sense .... BUT too slow and quiet participation disgraces all of us personally, DOES NOT lead to any result and also drops our international image of a "wild and unpredictable Russian bear". Is it profitable for us to quietly - and in fact, wasted ?. Many were previously helped in secret .... and where are they all? And where are all our efforts and money? There is another option - to roar and start - soon and without rassusolivaya ..... there will be no nuclear war, this is understood all over the world, and it may not come to a global war in an intelligent transience of actions. So the word for the holders of Russian capital and the GRU General Staff!
  25. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 29 May 2014 19: 52
    +4
    <<< The genocide of Donetsk residents is in full swing. There is no longer that eleven-year-old girl from Slavyansk who held the poster "God, how I want to live" (political scientist-Eurasian A. Dugin) >>>
    Simply outraged by the boundless impudence of the maydanuta Kiev junta and its western curators! It's disgusting to watch all these gas polishes! It remains only to bow to these monsters, so that at least something Russia will pay for gas! It is not clear where such an attack of tolerance and non-resistance to outright evil comes from, when the systematic destruction of opponents of the Maydan authorities, including the civilian population, is expanding in the southeast of Ukraine and, calling things by their proper names, the silence of Russia, its naive calls for some kind of dialogue, when the West is already all decided, without asking anyone, and has already begun large-scale hostilities (it remains only to use the "grads") are perceived by this whole pack of Ukrpyrs and their curators as indecision and weakness and only strengthens their confidence that Russia will retreat! For a long time, the militias of the South-East and the civilian population have been "adequately hammered" by the Ukrainian aviation. Why shouldn't Russia introduce, following the example of our Western partners, a no-fly zone over Dombas and Luhansk oblast, in order to make these freaks listen to Russia!
  26. delfinN
    delfinN 29 May 2014 19: 59
    +6
    Briefly, what Ukraine endured from the maydaun:
    1 - Disgraced all over the world.
    2 - Hundreds of dead - shot, burned, slaughtered.
    3 - Hundreds of people with disabilities.
    4 - Thousands of wounded.
    5 - They defeated their own cities.
    6 - The oligarchs came to power.
    7 - Irreversibly lost the Crimea.
    8 - The economy is on the verge of collapse.
    9 - Western "friends" assigned Ukraine a rating of B3 "trash".
    10 - Created a political crisis.
    11 - We got into huge debts.
    12 - Ukraine stands with outstretched hand.
    13 - Reduced pensions and social benefits.
    14 - Quarreled with Russia.
    15 - Returned high gas prices (Gas + 73%.)
    16 - Armed nationalists.
    17 - Raised the ratings of Putin in Russia.
    18 - Most likely lost the southeast of Ukraine.
    19 - They put the Scythian gold in the American pawnshop.
    20 - Strangled freedom of speech.
    21 - Corruption in the country.
    22 - Raised taxes. (Housing services + 120%)
    23 - Reduced children's allowance.
    24 - The fare in public transport (in particular in Kiev) will increase by 1 UAH.
    25 - VAT has been introduced on medications.
    26 - Increased excise taxes on certain groups of goods.
    27 - Delays and non-payment of salaries at state and municipal enterprises.
    28 - A substantial increase in electricity tariffs is also expected.
    29 - The dollar - 11,75 UAH, was 8 UAH.
    30 - Gasoline -14 -15,95 UAH. (43-49 rub.)
    31 - A sharp increase in inflation.
    32 - As the head of the CIA Brenan flew to his home.
    33 - US Vice President Biden flew in.
    34 - Biden was sitting in the president’s chair, and all the others were sent away * together.
    35 - GTS was presented to Biden’s son.
    36 - Americans will produce shale gas and sell it to Ukraine and Europe.
    37 - Allocated land for the storage of radioactive waste from all over Europe.
    38 - 5 hryvnias per army are thrown off so that the army shoots at its people.
    39 - Burned Odessa to the anthem of Ukraine (officially 46, unofficially more than 200 people)
    40 - They did not sign an association with the EU. Because of what, all the boron cheese began. So far, only the political part has been signed. And in the agreement itself, in paragraph 43, it is written about the Underdeveloped Ukrainian people, and also in Ukraine there will be a supranational governing body headed by Rompuy, to whom the future president of Ukraine, law and gladly must obey. And in paragraph 9 it is written about the obstacle to overcoming underdevelopment, i.e. quiet genocide. ZATO FREEDOMAAAAAAAA. And of course, we are to blame for all these miserable failures, THE DAMNED IN THE HEAD WITH THE BLOODY PUTIN. Ukrainians, is it really so easy to breed you? And so they divorced that they set them on Russians, on Russia, on the Slavs. Slavs Kuyar Slavs and Jews in Akuy with delight.
  27. Alex
    Alex 29 May 2014 20: 00
    +6
    Quote: saag
    Good question, when in the 56 in Hungary there was a maidan and people were killed, the USSR somehow did not think about sanctions and solved the problem quickly

    I decided to decide, but the local population greeted our soldiers not with flowers, but with shots in the back. And even now they remember us as "occupiers". Where is the guarantee that this will not happen again in Ukraine?
    1. ksv1973
      ksv1973 29 May 2014 21: 27
      +2
      Quote: Ralex
      Quote: saag
      Good question, when in the 56 in Hungary there was a maidan and people were killed, the USSR somehow did not think about sanctions and solved the problem quickly

      I decided to decide, but the local population greeted our soldiers not with flowers, but with shots in the back. And even now they remember us as "occupiers". Where is the guarantee that this will not happen again in Ukraine?

      The guarantee is that Russia will understand its own region, which historically belongs to it, and only to it. Yes - there will be blood. But Russia is no stranger to its shedding. And the Russians, as History shows, are not afraid to shed blood for their homeland.
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  28. delfinN
    delfinN 29 May 2014 20: 04
    +2
    So, and what happened to us during this time: who can do better - let him try.
  29. w2000
    w2000 29 May 2014 20: 04
    +2
    In no case should troops be entered! But it is necessary to declare recognition of the independence of the DPR and LPR, and help with the help of the secret work of the Special Operations Forces, volunteers, arms supplies, ammunition and equipment.
    But Putin is unlikely to decide on recognition, and even more so there will be no troop deployment. The West and Ukraine are blackmailing Russia with a gas pipe that gives 80% of the budget of the Russian Federation. That is why there are no drastic actions against Ukraine and they do not block gas even after arrogant statements that they are not going to pay the debt for 4 months. The thing is that Russia is completely dependent on the gas pipe to Europe, and is even ready to turn a blind eye to Ukraine’s non-payment of gas, because this is a drop in the bucket compared with trillion shipments to Europe. If the pipe is blocked for several months, Russia will have to declare default.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 29 May 2014 21: 28
      +2
      Quote: w2000
      If the pipe is blocked for several months, Russia will have to declare default.

      Will there be no default in the EU? They will not ruin their industry.
  30. saag
    saag 29 May 2014 20: 11
    +1
    Quote: Ralex
    I decided to solve it, but the local population did not meet our soldiers with flowers, but with shots in the back

    But he decided, once and for all, that the military had such a craft that sometimes they were shot at, if they didn’t shoot at the army, then what for doesn’t need such an army
  31. gregor6549
    gregor6549 29 May 2014 20: 13
    +1
    To beat Poroshenko with his own weapon-lard in chocolate. As the saying goes, "what you were born with, the same they will kill you"
  32. Giant thought
    Giant thought 29 May 2014 20: 21
    +2
    I don’t give a damn about the fact that the geyropeyts with mattresses will be gulping, they need help, and a solid New Russia. There, the Russian brothers are fighting for their freedom, so is Russia really going to leave them to be eaten by fascist creatures. Never!
  33. I think so
    I think so 29 May 2014 20: 22
    +4
    Putin will be afraid to send troops - it's obvious ... Well, let him at least HELP people with money with weapons ... And most importantly, he must SAY FOR WHOM HE IS! For the people or for the "power" there ... It is clear that it is difficult for Russia ... especially after Chechnya and Grozny ... But! And to hell with him with "public opinion", all the same, Russia DOES, DO and WILL DO, guilty of ALL sins ... Well, what are we waiting for? What do we hope for? After the surrender of the southeast of Ukraine to Europe, Russia is NOT a RESIDENT ... Of course, Putin slept through the REAL opportunity WITHOUT BLOOD to take ALMOST ALL of Ukraine and the Ukrainian army would have gone over to the side of Russia ... but overslept ... forgotten ... and now the same will be many, many times more expensive ... But what can to be more expensive than YOUR COUNTRY? Give up? Or fight?
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 29 May 2014 20: 42
      +2
      Yes! Yes! Yes! An exceptionally correct definition .... I can’t, alas, according to the rules of the site, give you a try. Dear and emotional and with a sober head - patriot - 10 I can different :-)
    2. tasey
      tasey 29 May 2014 20: 45
      -3
      Think you are not just bad ... you DO NOT think in any way. What to talk about with you, even if there is no wife in submission7
      1. vsoltan
        vsoltan 29 May 2014 21: 04
        +1
        Is that you, sir with a subordinate wife?
    3. DPN
      DPN 29 May 2014 23: 17
      +1
      Quote: I think so
      But what could be more expensive than YOUR COUNTRY? Give up? Or fight?

      The money of the oligarchs, and the people of the USSR slept through a more just socialist system, so the reliance is mainly on the Russian capitalists.
    4. ermolai
      ermolai 30 May 2014 07: 59
      0
      and tell me, uncle, where are the people of Donbass? and this is probably a couple of million men of military age! and if at least 10% stood up for the defense of their land, then no one would dare, not to shoot with impunity, they would be afraid to fart loudly and you a hot man on someone else’s cock in paradise. Defend your freedoms, and don’t sit in a crack with a cockroach. do not look for those to blame for the fact that tomorrow your women for the needs of the Maidan will be crucified or sold to the Turks. and they’ll put you in cancer. and then disposed of, PROTECT TODAY! TOMORROW WILL BE LATE!
  34. N-FORCER
    N-FORCER 29 May 2014 21: 05
    +1
    And why do not we create a private hired army, like the Americans, and send to New Russia !?
  35. Grandfather Victor
    Grandfather Victor 29 May 2014 21: 09
    +3
    "At the same time, Putin's entourage, in fact, gives him an ultimatum not to interfere in any way. This is just a real betrayal, the sixth column turns into the fifth before our very eyes. In such a situation, delay is like death."
    In fact, Putin has one choice: political death as a result of a direct betrayal of the vital interests of Russia and the Russian world, or decisive action according to previously made promises.
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 29 May 2014 22: 28
      0
      I would write it, forgive everything: the fifth column turns into the fifth column
  36. saag
    saag 29 May 2014 21: 20
    +4
    Quote: Grandpa Vitya
    In fact, Putin has one choice: political death

    or physical, the condrat is enough from such a choice :-) In this case, you must be Lee Kuan Yu, but this is a big problem
  37. Skifo
    Skifo 29 May 2014 21: 38
    +1
    it’s too early to climb into Ukraine, otherwise all sins will be blamed on us again and they will call us invaders after 20 years ... let them prove first the need for intervention themselves .. but just FOR DONBASS!
  38. VD chauvinist
    VD chauvinist 29 May 2014 21: 57
    0
    The principle is to get into a fight, and then we'll see - wild irresponsibility.
    Russia is silent because the words have already ended. The time has come for action. Actions thought out, verified, such actions, so as not to give the adversary a single chance. Here you need to act accurately, in a sniper manner.
    The author offers us to rise in a mental attack. And many support him. They do not want to understand that the damage from such actions will be difficult to assess.
    War is a stern, cruel thing. She does not tolerate sentiments and slogans. It's good to fight - it’s not only to shoot accurately and move quickly, it is first and foremost to think. THINK. (... mother, ... mother, ... mother - echoed)
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 29 May 2014 22: 35
      0
      Chauvinist, you are absolutely right. Toko, where are you?
    2. ksv1973
      ksv1973 29 May 2014 23: 34
      0
      Quote: WD Chauvinist
      The principle is to get into a fight, and then we'll see - wild irresponsibility.
      Russia is silent because the words have already ended. The time has come for action. Actions thought out, verified, such actions, so as not to give the adversary a single chance. Here you need to act accurately, in a sniper manner.
      The author offers us to rise in a mental attack.

      Psychic attack on the whole world, and not unsuccessfully, in the last 20 years has been ACTIVELY engaged in the USA. And they didn't have much damage to themselves. But for the sake of avoiding their default, they put the whole world "cancer". But this world began to wake up and understand that, following Washington's lead, it risks becoming a refined same-sex community.
    3. ksv1973
      ksv1973 29 May 2014 23: 34
      0
      Quote: WD Chauvinist
      The principle is to get into a fight, and then we'll see - wild irresponsibility.
      Russia is silent because the words have already ended. The time has come for action. Actions thought out, verified, such actions, so as not to give the adversary a single chance. Here you need to act accurately, in a sniper manner.
      The author offers us to rise in a mental attack.

      Psychic attack on the whole world, and not unsuccessfully, in the last 20 years has been ACTIVELY engaged in the USA. And they didn't have much damage to themselves. But for the sake of avoiding their default, they put the whole world "cancer". But this world began to wake up and understand that, following Washington's lead, it risks becoming a refined same-sex community.
  39. sborka
    sborka 29 May 2014 22: 15
    +2
    Quote: aksakal
    - to be honest, also puzzled by Putin's indecision

    in fact, why, my sons, should go to war for these amoebas, who for six months looked out from behind the curtains, maybe it will blow ... and now I have to risk my children?! I have them of the very military age, 25 and 23 puzzled, speak? so go fight, partisan YOURSELF, and do not even mention the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, you will remain at the computer to write the same comments, and they will send my children to the war, which they and I have not needed for a hundred years.
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 29 May 2014 22: 42
      +1
      But what about examples from the past? So the people are sitting behind the stove .... shaking ... my sons are a little more than two years old, but they, too, are recruits, two grandchildren, - they will not send me off, I will bless them, I will instruct them on how to survive and I will pray .... but I’ll just catch brick on his head, slip and kill, just sleep and chip - in civilian life - no less chances. Be strong and do not make tantrums. And it’s better at all - you don’t need such wars ... and you don’t need any, the first children to blather ... and you, Liza, are just an emotional woman, what to take from you .... and my advice is - do not go to this forum, do not worry your nerves, this is not for YOU. Sorry if offended.
      1. sborka
        sborka 29 May 2014 23: 31
        +1
        why should we fight for the people WHO DOESN'T NEED IT? this is not our war, why climb to where we are not needed. this is not hysteria, simple common sense. and please remind me of where I asked you for advice on which forums to sit on ... and yet, excuse me in advance, I don’t take offense at the wretched, I regret them and deeply sympathize with their stupidity ... all the best.
        1. vsoltan
          vsoltan 30 May 2014 00: 28
          0
          Well, a woman - she is a woman .... Well, I apologized, why offend the wretched? However, let the last word be yours .... insult further
        2. saag
          saag 30 May 2014 06: 40
          0
          Quote: sborka
          this is not our war, why climb to where we are not needed.

          Because it is a war against Russia, and if it is not strangled there, then it will come to the territory of the Russian Federation, in your comment you look exactly like who you condemn
  40. Sergg
    Sergg 29 May 2014 22: 20
    +2
    Without a doubt, Novorossia needs to help with small arms.
    They have tears in their eyes only at the thought that the Russians will come to the rescue.

    Behind Donbass Russia is no where to retreat. Is it so hard to understand ?!

    If a decision is made to send peacekeeping troops, they will be there ONLY in the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk republics. They are waiting for us !!!!!!!!!!!
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  42. DPN
    DPN 29 May 2014 23: 05
    0
    Quote: Vesnik
    "We can"! interfere in the affairs of any country!

    He can say this, because he is overseas, and on CUBE we have nothing to get them, it's hard. Hence his impudent statements, which means we need to put Khrushchev's "KUZKIN'S MOTHER" on closer to the shores of the United States and you can sleep peacefully without paying attention to his barking ...
    1. saag
      saag 30 May 2014 07: 06
      0
      Quote: DPN
      you can sleep peacefully without paying attention to his barking.

      Khrushchev also thought so, a little before the war
  43. Indifferent
    Indifferent 29 May 2014 23: 12
    +5
    At that level of combat readiness and morale of the Ukrainian army there are quite enough volunteers. And that Russia helps with weapons and people and equipment and in the cinema is visible. Time works against the regime. And pseudo-patriots all want to shove the Russian army into Ukraine, to make the aggressor out of our country already according to the full scheme and with all the ensuing sanctions. And then, when the country's economy collapses, screaming that Putin has brought the country to the end with his ill-conceived policy. Well, if only to scream! And then they will arrange the Maidan on the Swamp.
    That's where the fifth column is at a height.
    Even the former Israeli intelligence chief Cadmi, who is not allowed into Russia for his activities, is convinced that Putin’s policy is correct and now it’s absolutely impossible to climb into Ukraine! There everything will ripen! You just have to wait for the winter!
    And here they write their nonsense. Yes, NATO cannot send troops to Ukraine without the sanction of the UN Security Council. And we with China will always throw off our veto. Cho to frighten with any nonsense! You need to work. Help Donetsk. Let the local peasants fight for their freedom, but we can't get the 200th off our hands! Then the "patriots" will shout differently!
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 30 May 2014 00: 37
      0
      Just in case, if you do not fully possess the information .... more recently, the UN Security Council, together with the vaunted China, spat on all the statements of Russia in the person of Churkin. So that's it. NATO will fit in without any permits, they also wanted to spit. I have one example - from an anecdote - "They want to kill me .... - They'll kill me, then come" - remember the dialogue in the police station?
    2. saag
      saag 30 May 2014 07: 07
      0
      Quote: indifferent
      At that level of combat readiness and morale of the Ukrainian army there are quite enough volunteers.

      Yes, well, volunteers came to Donetsk and put 33 people there, is that normal in your opinion?
  44. navodchik
    navodchik 29 May 2014 23: 55
    +1
    Author do not get excited. DO NOT NEED OUR TROOPS IN UKRAINE! Think about the fact that the war begins easily but DIFFICULT ends.
  45. Carlos
    Carlos 30 May 2014 00: 07
    +1
    You don’t need to enter the army. And by correctly analyzing the need for materiel, by opening a section of the border, you can supply the necessary things. Otherwise, you can get the classics of the civil war: during the day, you are a civilian, you lay a landmine in the name of anyone at night .. If only she the village ...
  46. Nonik
    Nonik 30 May 2014 00: 07
    0
    Quote: Andrey82
    Yeah, in fact, then why do we need an army, nuclear weapons ?!
    To contain. But not for the start of World War 3 now. Wait a minute, or else it will be. It was predicted that if Russia abandons the dollar in payments for oil and gas, then the US economy will sag 80%. And negotiations are already underway. And some customers have already transferred to rubles and euros. It will be like small snowballs causing an avalanche. It remains only to observe and wonder - will it come true?
  47. Glock -1980
    Glock -1980 30 May 2014 01: 06
    0
    Ukraine is our last frontier, give it back to Russia. I have no experience in military operations, but asking myself in my heart if they ask me tomorrow, if we went to defend the Russians, I would go.
  48. skeptik2999
    skeptik2999 30 May 2014 01: 25
    0
    There was information on TV that Poroshenko allegedly received carte blanche from the Western curators to "clean up" Novorosiya at the cost of 2 thousand victims from the residents of Donbass and Luhansk oblast. If this - God forbid - happens, only then, without giving a damn about all the consequences, it will be necessary to carry out an operation to "force" peace. Quickly, with the capture and destruction of the command centers of the Maydanuts and their leaders