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ISS: to be or not to be?

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Against the background of recent events, Russia is fundamentally changing the vector of foreign policy, and is now focused on a rich and prosperous Asia, and not on a poor crisis Europe. This trend is also evident in the field of scientific cooperation, including in the space industry: according to Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, Moscow will refuse to work with Western partners on the International Space Station project after it ends in 2020. The official also said that Russia is already looking for new partners who are ready for fruitful cooperation in the field of manned space exploration.

"Roscosmos" will serve the ISS to 2020 year

Dmitry Rogozin told Russia about his plans when commenting on rumors about a possible early withdrawal of Moscow from the ISS program. The Vice-Premier said that Russia will continue to adhere to its obligations, and will not leave the project until the 2020 year - it is then that the period for its implementation expires. It is doubtful that the country will agree to extend the program to 2024 year.

According to Rogozin, the Roskosmos project only suffers losses. Manned space flight, which consumes about 30% of the corporation's budget, makes almost no profit and barely pays off. Thus, Roscosmos is preparing to implement a more pragmatic policy towards its partners.

At the same time, the scientific value of the ISS program is questionable. According to Dmitry Rogozin, there is no return from the stay of three Russian cosmonauts in orbit. To make progress, you can not stop there and you need to move on. In this regard, the official does not exclude the participation of Russia in new programs aimed at space exploration. China is considered as one of the most profitable partners of Roscosmos. Negotiations between Moscow and Beijing, where, among other things, possible space programs will be discussed, will soon begin in Harbin at the EXPO exhibition.

In general, Rogozin clearly made it clear to Russia's current foreign partners that Roskosmos will not lose anything if they refuse to cooperate. Russian cosmonautics since the times of the Soviet Union is self-sufficient. Assistance to foreign companies in the space sphere does not expand, but, on the contrary, limits the capabilities of Roskosmos. To realize the hidden potential of the domestic space industry, it is necessary to get rid of the restrictions.

But this cannot be done with violations of procedures and standards. Russia will be misunderstood if it suddenly refuses to work with Western countries in the framework of the ISS project. One must keep one's word, no matter how meaningless the commitments seem. Therefore, Moscow will wait until 2020, as previously agreed with Roscosmos' foreign partners.

Most likely, in the course of the few years that will be required to exit the program in compliance with the rules, Russia will look for new partners and develop other space programs that are based on their national interests.

China is interested in cooperation with Russia. His plans are ambitious, but he does not have the necessary technology and is in dire need of outside support. The PRC can receive such assistance only from Russia. Therefore, Roscosmos has good chances to establish business relations with Chinese companies. It is to be expected that this cooperation will bring fast results, since Russian engineers will be faced with the tasks of a qualitatively new level aimed at satisfying scientific and practical interest. After all, the joint activities of Russia and Western countries in the framework of the ISS program did not lead to tangible results because it was only a political gesture, and from the very beginning it was not designed to advance science.

GLONASS vs. GPS: only one should remain

In addition to Russia's participation in the ISS program, the use of the American GPS navigation system on the Russian territory remains an urgent problem in relations between Moscow and Washington. Russia insists that GLONASS and GPS have equal opportunities, and offers to place its ground navigation stations in the United States. This request is logical: 11 GPS navigation stations operate in Russia, while the GLONASS system in America is practically not represented. If Washington wants to cooperate on equal terms with Moscow, let it balance the capabilities of both systems, otherwise it will be done without its participation.

According to Dmitry Rogozin, Russia is ready for an unfavorable development of events, and is preparing to take steps in advance that will make it possible to achieve parity in the field of space navigation. Washington issued an ultimatum: either GLONASS begins operating in the United States, or 11 ground GPS stations located in Russia will be closed. The operation of these objects from June 1 will be frozen on the month 3. After this period 31 of August, the United States must respond to an ultimatum: if Washington agrees with the conditions of Russia, the stations will continue to exist, if not, they will have to be dismantled.

Such tough actions are consistent with the logic of recent events. Still, GPS is a dual-use system: on the one hand, it has a good reputation for civil tasks, but on the other hand, it can also be used as a tool for military operations. Therefore, it is critically important to get rid of ground GPS stations so that a potential enemy cannot use them for their own purposes.

The GLONASS system has the same functions as GPS, but it is not controlled by foreign services. It was created by order of the Ministry of Defense. At present, 29 devices provide the system operation, which, unlike the American ones, are more stable because they do not have resonance with the rotation of the planet in orbital motion.

Spy scandal and space exploration

Even last year, Russia proposed to build GLONASS monitoring centers in the United States. But the Pentagon and the CIA demanded that the State Department not in any way prevent such actions on the part of Russia, and the agreement fell through. Interestingly, this happened even before Ukraine was destabilized, and relations between Washington and Moscow deteriorated sharply. This means that unofficial pressure on Russia from the West began long before the first sanctions were imposed.

The US military considered that Russia, with the help of monitoring centers, would spy on secret objects, and at the same time significantly increase the accuracy of intercontinental missiles. Perhaps it is. But then why did the USA themselves set up the same centers on Russian territory? If last year there was mutual trust between our countries, why did the United States restrict Russia in every way and refuse to act on equal terms with it?

The Kremlin made the right decision and is ready for a symmetrical response to US actions. The closure of GPS navigation stations should sober up the US military. And Russia's refusal to participate in the ISS project after 2020, will be sobered up by foreign space agencies.

However, the very idea of ​​the International Space Station has outlived itself over many years. This is recognized even by Western scientists and observers, who believe that the ISS is technologically outdated and not adapted for the latest research. Moreover, human life in orbit no longer seems as attractive as a few years ago.

New horizons are opening up to astronautics: even now the governments of many countries, including Russia, are seriously claiming the possibility of sending manned expeditions to the Moon and Mars. Projects of mining in space resources are considered. It is possible that these plans become a reality, Russia needs to cooperate not with those who are promoting the notorious ISS, but with those who are not shy about building ambitious plans for the future and are ready to share their victory with the allies.
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  1. saag
    saag 29 May 2014 09: 16
    +11
    "... According to Rogozin, within the framework of the Roscosmos project, it only suffers losses. Manned space exploration, which spends about 30% of the corporation's budget, practically does not bring profit and barely pays off."

    Here is a chatterbox, a fundamental science to which involvement and manned space exploration never makes a profit right away, for example, the LHC
    1. persei
      persei 29 May 2014 09: 57
      +1
      you need to understand that this is just a political demarche ...
    2. sergeybulkin
      sergeybulkin 29 May 2014 10: 05
      +3
      It’s interesting, and what kind of fundamental discoveries for science were made with the help of astronautics, can you personally name at least one?
      1. saag
        saag 29 May 2014 10: 21
        +7
        fundamental science, it’s not discoveries every day, it is a long scientific research, multiple experiments
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 29 May 2014 12: 33
          +3
          Quote: saag
          fundamental science, this is not discovery every day

          The main directions in space, as I understand it, are transatmospheric observations of space (like Hubble), the study of nearby celestial bodies by KA-automata.
          Scanning the Earth for various purposes. Services: navigation, information transfer, communication.
          Manned - mainly NP and command post for the actions of potential "friends"
          And all in the near future ...
          1. saag
            saag 29 May 2014 14: 00
            0
            And biomedical experiments on the behavior of organisms in zero gravity, the production of high-purity substances, which cannot be obtained under conditions of gravity, etc. Observation cheaper by satellites
        2. sergeybulkin
          sergeybulkin 29 May 2014 12: 35
          -6
          They do not open anything there, they dangle in orbit to no avail, each flight is several billion full-weight rubles thrown into a vacuum, and this is: unbuilt housing, unrepaired roads and many, many, many other things that are extremely necessary. At the very beginning of the space age, the USSR had to prove its technical superiority, to catch up and overtake "decaying" capitalism on a grand scale, it was a matter of life and death, since the world was teetering on the brink of a third world war. Now the ISS is a relic of the past, inherited by us. The ISS has long been time to preserve, let it quietly rust in orbit there, as a monument of incredible wastefulness and stupid generosity at someone else’s expense.
          1. Metal bro
            Metal bro 29 May 2014 12: 52
            +6
            doo, of course. Read what they do. Where can such conditions be created on earth? Space, conditions of weightlessness and so on. Ask physicians, biologists why this is necessary. It seems that many in our power think the same way as you. Therefore, we are always lagging behind and the priority is to "sell" rather than invest in research.
            Such a station is not required to pay off. But if you manage to find solutions to important medical problems there ...
            1. sergeybulkin
              sergeybulkin 29 May 2014 13: 27
              -9
              You probably can’t imagine even approximately the scale of the costs, so figuratively: for one start to the ISS with the crew, you can build a modern city for 100, with all the gadgets. And of course, servicemen on earth are also taken into account here.
              1. Letun
                Letun 29 May 2014 13: 43
                +12
                You probably can’t even imagine the approximate scale of costs for building a city with a population of 100 thousand people. But nothing, if you are nonsense, do it with confidence! All right wink
                1. sergeybulkin
                  sergeybulkin 29 May 2014 15: 42
                  -7
                  The official budget of Roscosmos for 2013 amounted to 167,7 billion rubles how many cities can be built, 167 billion is nonsense? laughing lol
                  1. nikcris
                    nikcris 29 May 2014 16: 13
                    +6
                    Divide by 100 and multiply by three. Theoretically, one hundred thousandth city is enough. Without road communications, etc. But this is an annual budget, not just one launch.
                    Approximately the cost of 1,5 nuclear submarines - does this bother you?
                    The sailors managed to build a destroyer more expensive.
                  2. Su24
                    Su24 30 May 2014 17: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: sergeybulkin
                    The official budget of Roscosmos for 2013 amounted to 167,7 billion rubles how many cities can be built, 167 billion is nonsense? laughing lol


                    You probably can’t imagine even approximately the scale of the costs, so figuratively: for one start to the ISS with the crew, you can build a modern city for 100, with all the gadgets. And of course, servicemen on earth are also taken into account here.


                    Wonderful. One launch suddenly became the entire budget of Roscosmos.
              2. saag
                saag 29 May 2014 14: 01
                +2
                probably only who needs this city, what will be the city-forming enterprise and so on ...
          2. Letun
            Letun 29 May 2014 13: 39
            +8
            Quote: sergeybulkin
            They don’t open anything there, hang out in orbit to no avail, each flight is several billion full-weight rubles thrown into a vacuum, and this: unfinished housing, not repaired roads and many, many, many other sorts of necessities.

            The sun is soo-oo, oink-oink,
            And ho-oh, oink-oink,
            And here, in the pigsty it’s warm, oh, woo-woo!

            Pralno, what for any strange cosmonautics! Best to devour properly! fellow
            1. sergeybulkin
              sergeybulkin 29 May 2014 14: 21
              -5
              Well, explain to me the stupid from the pigsty, what for us any strange cosmonautics if you are such an affinity connoisseur in this matter ???
              1. max702
                max702 29 May 2014 22: 39
                0
                Oh and the fool .. And about the accompanying technologies thought? Pay attention to the fact that as a bolt was thrown into space of nothing new, not invented, we are still marking the achievements of the 60-70s.
            2. nikcris
              nikcris 29 May 2014 18: 22
              0
              AND DRINK !!!
          3. sergeybulkin
            sergeybulkin 29 May 2014 13: 50
            -4
            Here I was always enraged to the brutality: how is it? Around devastation, half the country's population lives on the brink of poverty, in collapsing huts without water, without sewage, without heating, there are simply no roads !!! It’s too late to repair them, they need to be rebuilt, because everything that was built during the USSR has already deteriorated. But no one knows about this, that there is such an urgent need to settle the vacuum in orbit when there is a mess on the earth and ruin ???
            1. nikcris
              nikcris 29 May 2014 16: 19
              +7
              Roads built in the USSR, long ago. It’s cold in Russia in the winter and your statement that half of the population lives without heating leads me to bad thoughts about your mental health ...
            2. Su24
              Su24 30 May 2014 17: 04
              0
              Quote: sergeybulkin
              half of the country's population lives on the verge of poverty, in collapsing huts without water, without sewage, without heating, there are simply no roads !!!


              Wow ... A person from a parallel post-apocalyptic reality writes to us. Or from India.
    3. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 29 May 2014 11: 28
      +2
      I do not think that this statement refers to science, it is a political step based on real events. Although Rogozin is a politician, I am sure that he understands well what is fundamental science, and what practical science is, let’s call it that, I’m just not good at this terminology, although I understand the meaning.
    4. Capitalist
      Capitalist 29 May 2014 11: 49
      +3
      Maybe it is necessary to steal less and more wisely spend money, and not just any nonsense, and then will bring profit?
  2. Bodrov
    Bodrov 29 May 2014 09: 17
    +4
    They speak beautifully. Let's see what they do. And already for about five years they have been talking about reforms in the space sphere, but significant progress has not yet been noticeable.
  3. Voenruk
    Voenruk 29 May 2014 09: 22
    -19%
    It is hard to believe that we are self-sufficient in space. Given the fact that we can not launch a rocket into space.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 29 May 2014 11: 08
      +7
      Listen, political instructor, military instructor, and what do you think they are flying to the ISS now? Yes, just the refusal to sell the RD-180 dviguns to the Americans caused them panic and verbal diarrhea!
  4. ImPerts
    ImPerts 29 May 2014 09: 22
    +8
    So, by the way)))
    Most of all, the American who is now on the ISS is afraid of a sharp break in relations with Russia.
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 29 May 2014 11: 49
      +4
      Quote: ImPerts
      So, by the way)))
      Most of all, the American who is now on the ISS is afraid of a sharp break in relations with Russia.


      Just now, a new crew has been abandoned on the ISS: Russian, American and European.
      “Early this morning, the Russian manned spacecraft Soyuz TMA-13M docked to the ISS. The spacecraft“ docked ”to the Rassvet module docking station in automatic mode. The device has delivered a new crew to orbit. On board are Roscosmos cosmonaut Maxim Suraev, NASA astronaut Reed Wiseman, and also ESA astronaut Alexander Gerst. "
      http://www.rg.ru/2014/05/29/soyuz-perehod-anons.html
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 29 May 2014 15: 30
        0
        ISS-39)))
        Here I am about this particular American)))
  5. Jin
    Jin 29 May 2014 09: 30
    +4
    The sound position of Russia in this matter cannot but rejoice. Here gentlemen from that side of the big puddle, x guessed ... Such kind of arrogant, GPS let it be, and GLONASS figs to you ??? Well, let them shave then, with their stations on our territory. So this one-sided enrages, I can not express, terry, straight, cynicism sad
  6. Nitarius
    Nitarius 29 May 2014 10: 07
    +5
    With regards to the ISS .. I think the experiments there are useful! BUT, with regards to dragging everyone at their own expense ... I THINK that they drove us instead of a taxi! but really distracted us from SCIENTIFIC work!
    I certainly do not know the ISS and space ... but I think that ROGOZIN and his retinue are more familiar.
    Yes, and you have to move for a long time to the moon and not here to peck the brain .. TASKS TO BE POSED ABOVE than possible so that there is something to strive for!
    1. Deniska
      Deniska 29 May 2014 10: 20
      +4
      Here, too, I can not understand the meaning of "ISS" The Chinese and French are studying the reproduction of flies. And we did it years ago ... What a progress for us ...
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 29 May 2014 20: 40
      +1
      We do not drag anyone at our own expense, we talked about it a hundred times. The delivery of a foreign astronaut to the ISS costs about $ 60 million.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 29 May 2014 10: 08
    +1
    and really on x, we need the ISS .. Let the astronauts deliver on a trampoline ..
  8. Deniska
    Deniska 29 May 2014 10: 18
    +3
    If 30% of the budget is spent, then it is not easier to create and maintain an independent space station - the Russian space station - with this money.
    And there is no need to take anyone there and deliver food to them. Your own station is like your home - I turn what I want. Who does not bother to lay in it new technologies, including for further space exploration - so to speak, "transshipment base"
  9. persei
    persei 29 May 2014 10: 26
    +2
    to sober up the hot heads of NATO and specifically the US military need such demarches
  10. rearmi
    rearmi 29 May 2014 10: 33
    +2
    at the same time significantly increase the accuracy of intercontinental missiles.


    + - 100m will change something? laughing
  11. Denimax
    Denimax 29 May 2014 10: 35
    +1
    Something space tourists stopped launching. At first it seemed like a lucrative affair.
  12. shurup
    shurup 29 May 2014 10: 47
    0
    Well, everything is logical. We will wait until 2020, but from the first day we will suspend. This is also such an experiment, "check for lice" is called.
  13. D.V.
    D.V. 29 May 2014 10: 50
    +5
    Fuck them! Just heard One rocket fell The second collapsed! Something terrific invented by running through the authorities no one to hell is not necessary. Well, no need so no need sold abroad. There on the conveyor and on the market. And then it turns out that this turns out to be a terrific thing and ah yi yi where were our eyes! And it always has been, and I think it always wakes up. America, the Hubble will launch the Keriosity which we all clap our hands and stomp with our feet. Although maybe I don’t understand something, explain to me what I’m wrong about!
    1. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 29 May 2014 11: 36
      +3
      This is not a problem of science, it is a serious illness of the system.
    2. Metal bro
      Metal bro 29 May 2014 13: 00
      +1
      in-in. And if they find oncology drugs there? Here above guys like Bulkin write that the ISS is unnecessary trash.
  14. intsurfer
    intsurfer 29 May 2014 11: 11
    +3
    Only I am strained by the desire of the Russian authorities to stick to China on many issues? Are the authorities so confident that China will treat Russia as an equal partner? China's desire to quietly lock Russia on itself is understandable - it is beneficial for them. But maybe you still need to defend your interests and strive for mutual benefit. And then, like a girl: they pout their lips in the style of "I am offended - I will go to another."
  15. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 29 May 2014 11: 11
    0
    + - 100m will change something?
    No, but it will be SCARY! Imagine: nakosyachil, and then because of personal Akiyana! nuclear warhead flies ...
    Something space tourists stopped launching. At first it seemed like a lucrative affair.
    I also wonder why? Perhaps this is no longer fashionable, or maybe the first tourists scared everyone with terrible suffering in the cosmonaut training center
  16. bmv04636
    bmv04636 29 May 2014 11: 19
    +1
    The ISS correctly says this past, this past stage, our twentieth century, we must devote all our financial and scientific resources to the exploration of the moon and the construction of our base against our rogue country, from which the greatest danger comes, and I don’t think so alone.
    1. schizophrenic
      schizophrenic 29 May 2014 12: 38
      +1
      Quote: bmv04636
      moon exploration and base building with our pro

      While technology does not allow, to organize a base on the moon, which will be self-sufficient, a lack of rocket power and the high cost of putting it into orbit. In general, while a bunch of minuses base on the moon. An intermediate station is required that exceeds the size of the ISS in Earth orbit to transship cargo and reduce the cost of flying to the Moon. In general, the cost of the program will exceed the cost of the American program of flying to the Moon.
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 29 May 2014 13: 16
        +2
        Quote: schizophrenic
        An intermediate station is required that exceeds the size of the ISS in orbit of the Earth to transship cargo and reduce the cost of flying to the moon.

        Directly from the keyboard "removed" wink
        And indeed, one orbiting above the Earth, and the other above the Moon, also transshipment.
        But then you will need an orbital transport ship that will move goods from one station to another and take-off and landing ships for the Moon and Earth.
        Ships for different purposes, different loads should be cheaper than one-time universal ships of "long-range trucks"!
        1. schizophrenic
          schizophrenic 29 May 2014 13: 55
          +1
          Quote: Starover_Z
          Ships for different purposes, different loads should be cheaper than one-time universal ships of "long-range trucks"!

          Yes also think yes but to launch the structure into orbit of the Earth, heavy rockets and decent cost will be needed, and dozens of flights will be needed to create and maintain orbital bases.
      2. schizophrenic
        schizophrenic 29 May 2014 14: 24
        0
        Quote: schizophrenic
        While technology does not allow, to organize a base on the moon, which will be self-sufficient,

        And who does not agree that we do not have the technology to create a base on the moon, I do not raise a bunch of necessary technologies so that the base starts living at the expense of self-sufficiency.
    2. Metal bro
      Metal bro 29 May 2014 16: 49
      -1
      The ISS became international because no country could pull such a project alone. And then about the base on the moon ... If it does, it will probably also begin as a joint project.
      1. Yura
        Yura 29 May 2014 18: 10
        +2
        Quote: MetalBro
        The ISS became international because no country could pull such a project alone.

        Not quite so, Soviet stations flew (Salyut, Mir). The project was not easy to implement, but we did it. To all the others, yes, it was not possible to do and couldn’t do it, therefore they invited Russia to participate in it, and this station was also built in principle by Russia.
        Quote: MetalBro
        about the base on the moon ... If it does, it will probably also begin as a joint project.
        It’s not necessary at all, the Russian potential is already large enough to cope with this on its own, but space exploration and exploration is interesting for everyone, so why not do it together.
        1. Metal bro
          Metal bro 29 May 2014 18: 51
          +1
          We took the basis of this experience. The USSR wanted to go further, launch MIR-2, but there was not enough money and the project was turned off. Then they did everything together. This is a very large-scale project. Even in the history of the Russian Federation, they several times refused to build some of their modules, and chose cheaper ones. Accordingly, not all applications of the institutes were satisfied .... The USA could do all this ourselves, and we could. In the brain. But the cost .... no one could. And now the same thing. Roughly speaking, what do you want, to the detriment of your city’s budget, to start building something there on the moon, and you will be left without road repairs and closed clinics?
          If money can be taken from everywhere, it’s enough. But it is necessary instead of social. needs?
          Huge costs for this whole thing. Even in this article complain. And only for maintenance. Look at how many modules we have there, and how much the USA spends, for example. And if our institutes for research will need a couple more modules? This is billions of dollars!
  17. Professor
    Professor 29 May 2014 11: 36
    0
    Against the backdrop of recent events, Russia is radically changing the vector of foreign policy, and now focuses on a rich and prosperous Asia, and not on a poor crisis Europe.

    Repeatedly visited both "poor" Western Europe and "rich" Asia. I didn't read the article further ...
    1. Capitalist
      Capitalist 29 May 2014 11: 50
      -1
      I had the same desire after this phrase .. but I pulled myself together and mastered to the end)
  18. Capitalist
    Capitalist 29 May 2014 12: 06
    +1
    Let's go:
    Against the backdrop of recent events, Russia is radically changing the vector of foreign policy, and now focuses on a rich and prosperous Asia, and not on a poor crisis Europe.

    wassat it’s a pity that 150 million Chinese people living on $ 1 a day or less do not know about this .. not to mention some very rich India, where 25% of the population lives in slums, and 30% of children are malnourished.

    According to Rogozin, the Roskosmos project only suffers losses. Manned space flight, which consumes about 30% of the corporation's budget, makes almost no profit and barely pays off. Thus, Roscosmos is preparing to implement a more pragmatic policy towards its partners.
    It would be better if Roskosmos was preparing to steal less and less to let down money for any city.

    In general, Rogozin made it clear to Russia's current foreign partners that Roskosmos would not lose anything if they refused to cooperate. Since the time of the Soviet Union, Russian cosmonautics has been self-sufficient.
    the sense of this self-sufficiency? where is at least one new project in 25 years? there are no new ships, no new carriers, the interplanetary astronautics, which in the Soviet Union were inferior to the Shtatovskaya, generally crashed completely. maybe we have some breakthroughs in global astrophysical research? yeah, shch .. modest Radioastron and that’s all .. yes even the experience of the construction and operation of the ISS is all Soviet groundwork. I still have the magazine tech youth Toli 88 or 89 years where it was already written about this joint project.

    what will we do alone? to launch alliances in a circle in orbit? goof achievement.


    China is interested in cooperation with Russia. His plans are ambitious, but he does not have the necessary technology and urgently needs outside support. The PRC can receive such assistance only from Russia. Therefore, Roscosmos has good chances to establish business relations with Chinese companies.
    of course! because OTHER FOOLS who will teach themselves a competitor - NO! All this Chinese friendship will end as soon as they get access to the technologies and experience they need .. and then on their basis they will go forward, and we will sit on chewing snot further.
    I will not be surprised if the result of this "friendship" will be that the Chinese will take over the maintenance of the ISS and commercial launches, both manned and satellites, and traditionally at a lower price than we do. and what will happen then to our already poor space industry? right - go to the porch.

    Not to mention that participation in the ISS, and not just participation, but the dependence of its functioning on our work, is a serious image-building and political tool. To refuse it voluntarily is idiocy.

    Although why be surprised - this is Rogozin what
    1. schizophrenic
      schizophrenic 29 May 2014 12: 29
      0
      Quote: Capitalist
      ISS service

      The Chinese wanted to outbid the World, and ours flooded ours to please America, so the old proposal is valid for Rogozin.
  19. mig31
    mig31 29 May 2014 12: 26
    0
    ISS to be !!!, and it doesn’t matter whose cosmonauts or astronauts will be on the ISS, this is our project and we decide, not the State Department ........
    1. mig31
      mig31 29 May 2014 15: 31
      0
      The ISS will be without amers, it is ours and we decide who will fly with us, which is not clear here! ??
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 29 May 2014 20: 52
        +1
        How long have you privatized the International Space Station?
  20. ed65b
    ed65b 29 May 2014 12: 48
    -1
    Well, for example, why not use the ISS as a base in the lunar program. hang more fuel tanks for refueling the lunar modules, transfer to the middle orbit, or generally to the lunar one, and fly yourself from the station to the moon and back, excellent transshipment. And you can also assemble in orbit ships modular for launch on Mars, for example. Science fiction is still God knows when described. Some pluses.
    1. D.V.
      D.V. 29 May 2014 13: 12
      +4
      Why do you think the ISS is in small orbit? Yes, in order for the electromagnetic field of the earth to protect astronauts from hard radiation and the solar wind! Other technologies are needed for a base in the orbit of the moon!
    2. schizophrenic
      schizophrenic 29 May 2014 14: 04
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      use the ISS

      There is one problem: disinfection of the ISS; they encountered microbes even in the World. I believe that with a long-term arrival, the astronauts in orbit will be hindered by bacteria during prolonged use of the station. It may turn out that it will be cheaper to build a new station than to disinfect the old one, and the ISS is not protected by a large cargo flow, and it will be necessary to seriously modernize. What is more profitable for specialists to count.
      1. nikcris
        nikcris 29 May 2014 18: 32
        0
        Rumors have it that a company of dill was attacked by two Kherson bacteria by the bacteriological infection. The guys did not even fly to the ISS.
        1. schizophrenic
          schizophrenic 30 May 2014 00: 49
          0
          Quote: nikcris
          The guys did not even fly to the ISS.

          And what will happen to this infection if it is treated with hard radiation, charged particles. God alone knows, and scientists will have to study for several years. laughing And spend a lot of money !!!
  21. VL33
    VL33 29 May 2014 14: 25
    0
    GLONASS goes and promotes, GPS barks laughing
  22. I think so
    I think so 29 May 2014 16: 18
    0
    It seems that the leadership of Russia is beginning to understand that the "friends" with whom they had been friends until unconsciousness for 25 years turned out to be not friends at all, but AS THE ENEMIES WERE SO THEY CONTINUE TO BE! A gratifying moment, it's better late than never to start working for YOURSELF, and not for your uncle and not for the sake of your uncle ... Bankers and other thieves from "effective managers" to scare the hotel and in general order, you can start building something!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 29 May 2014 20: 56
      0
      There are no misunderstandings among scientists; politicians bark!
  23. D.V.
    D.V. 29 May 2014 16: 34
    +1
    We launch many necessary devices into space and over time these devices turn into rubbish and not all this rubbish returns to mother earth itself. For useful equipment in orbit there will soon be no space left. We must somehow figure out how to reduce garbage from near space! This is the problem of the near future.
  24. Signaller
    Signaller 29 May 2014 16: 37
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    But what about-for now. And who will transmit fresh intelligence information on the position of troops in Ukraine from space ???? As the saying goes, "First hand". While the satellite flies by, it will inform you, and here it will go straight to the General Staff, and there it will not interfere with our friends. I personally - Behind both hands.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 29 May 2014 20: 59
      +1
      Do you think the ISS is hanging over Ukraine?
  25. nikcris
    nikcris 29 May 2014 18: 28
    +2
    Flies on the ISS are not easy to breed - all of a sudden, as a result of research, the mayor of Kiev will give birth to a girl from his brother?
  26. Ural resident
    Ural resident 29 May 2014 22: 14
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    If anyone remembers, the ISS was a project initiated by the Americans as compensation for the flooding of the World and the collapse of the Russian manned program. then it was sung by all media. Like, we are friends - let's work together - we will support the Russian space program. As a result, the Americans gained our experience and technology. And they themselves launched their own projects. By the way, the Americans wanted to call it the Alpha station, that is, the first - to erase the entire history of our space exploration from history. In short, it is necessary to pursue an independent policy - and if you make the ISS - then truly international - to attract China, India - European countries - but anyone, not Americans
  27. sssr
    sssr 29 May 2014 22: 49
    +1
    Comrade Stalin wanted to share the moon, but I think it is not necessary to share it; it must be mastered; we need space exploration; otherwise, hunger and devastation await us in everything and everywhere. Now is the time for revenge on the Americans for the Cold War and for boorish behavior in the world. After all, when we were chasing space, it was stable, who was born in the USSR understands me. Who controls the cosmos controls the world ....
  28. nstarinsky
    nstarinsky 30 May 2014 00: 55
    -1
    Several years ago I was lucky to ask a question to one of our astronauts. I asked - what is the scientific sense in supporting the ISS? As I hoped, the answer was - yes, in general, no. After the utterly nightmarish self-destruction of the Mir station, many had sadness in their hearts. This is how to burn down your favorite barn. There were many things there for the first time, difficult and instructive. Instead of "Mir", it was proposed to direct the already meager funds to some common, albeit more modern barn. True flying. There is no dispute - everything is probably done "cosmically" there - specialists are trained, the Earth is being studied, some small technologies important for the future are being worked out ... There is not the slightest desire to belittle the efforts that all people involved in the process put into support for the ISS effort. But guys, fir-trees! Did we dream about this as children? How boring did we imagine the work of an astronaut? After all, we do not urge, as some economically preoccupied inhabitants do (it would be better if the pensions of the elderly were increased!), To completely stop trying to enter the real space ?!
    Moon, Mars, moons of Jupiter and Saturn! And somewhere after our death - real stellar flights to other worlds! New planets with new life, with the ability to spread throughout the Galaxy! Here it is, real !! The ISS is a project of more cooperation. That is, it is as political as technical. This is the day before yesterday of our dreams. And this must be thrown ... We must move on. I want to see a Russian man on the Moon and maybe on Mars before my last breath in this World.
    That would clear the Ukrainian problem, and move there - into the real Cosmos ...
  29. jovanni
    jovanni 30 May 2014 05: 47
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    Well, at some stage, perhaps, you can pamper a little ... Strain on "our western partners" from the legonet ... But damn it! Constantly that, you cannot do this! Problems are not solved by balobolstvo!
  30. kup65
    kup65 30 May 2014 09: 07
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    Yes, it's time for them to let them try to throw their own into space with a gun. Cheap and cheerful.
  31. Ramzaj99
    Ramzaj99 31 May 2014 18: 52
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    Russia does not lose anything! Because the Russian station segment can work separately, without the rest ..... and the other segments without the Russian can not. We undock the amers, we dock the Chinese and all business .....)