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"Gas" shredding of Ukraine

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These days, between Russia and Ukraine, through the mediation of representatives of the European Union, “gas” negotiations are taking place, in which the situation should be clarified by several parameters: whether Russia will finally switch to a prepaid supply system, what part of the debt Ukraine will repay and whether at least some in general, at what price Gazprom will supply gas to Ukraine in the near future.


The head of the Russian Ministry of Energy, Alexander Novak, after the next round of tripartite talks, said that the European Union had taken a clear position: Ukraine, under the existing contract, is obliged to pay off the accumulated debts. Ukraine’s total debt to Russia at the beginning of May amounted to about $ 3,5 billion. According to Novak, Kiev is still ready to pay $ 2,5 billion. Moreover, Ukraine promises to pay off 2 billion by 28 of May and 500 of millions by 7 of June. The Russian side, apparently, is ready for such an option of paying the debt, but on one condition that Kiev will now give official guarantees for the transfer of half a billion 7 June.

Regarding such a formula for paying Ukraine’s debt to Gazprom, the head of the EU delegation at these negotiations, Gunther Oettinger - European Commissioner for Energy, spoke:

2 billion dollars on Thursday and 500 million - 7 Jun. The state of Ukraine must consent to the transfer of this money. Ukraine is an independent state, the decision behind it and behind the board of Naftogaz.


If Ukraine does not begin to repay the debt by Friday 30 May, Russia will not cancel the prepayment system, according to which Ukraine “money” in the morning, Russia - gas in the afternoon. The prepayment system will be based on the monthly option, that is, for example, Kiev will have to pay for the July gas supplies in June. And for the amount that will be contributed by Ukraine, Russia will supply a strictly defined amount of gas.

For obvious reasons, such a system does not suit, first of all, not so much Ukraine itself, as the European Union. After all, everyone understands that immediately after Russia’s final transition to a prepaid system, Russian gas from the Ukrainian pipe will not disappear, because it will also flow to Europe through this very pipe. And, guided by the facts of the repeated application of the Kiev hand to the Russian gas destined for the European Union, it can be assumed that theft from the Ukrainian authorities will manifest itself this time. That is why Ettinger, no less than Novak, is interested in Ukraine paying for blue fuel - bringing the situation to a state in which Europeans will not receive gas already paid for by them, the EU is clearly not happy with.

However, Ukraine is not in a hurry to pay the debt. Against the background of the Russian and European requirements for the fulfillment of their obligations on the part of Ukraine, Mr. Yatsenyuk took the floor, who still remains “Prime Minister” Square. Yatsenyuk quotes LB.ua:

We want to hear the answer from Russia, including the question of returning to Ukraine 2,2 billion cubic meters of gas that Russia stole through Chernomorneftegaz on the territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. This is in the prices of Russian Gazprom - 1 billion dollars.


That is, the Ukrainian “government” cannot deviate from its favorite Maidan rhetoric: respond to invoicing and financial claims with its own accounts and claims. I remember, not so long ago, Kiev demanded hundreds of billions of dollars from Moscow as “compensation for the annexation of the Crimea”, apparently intending to trade the results of the Crimean referendum. Now we are talking about a billion ...

Yatsenyuk, you see, wants to hear about the gas “stolen” by Russia, but wouldn't this gentleman want to hear how much blue fuel from Russia and European consumers was stolen by the previous Ukrainian authorities in all the years of nurtured independence? If he voiced the real volumes of theft from Ukraine, then for this money Russia could have bought Naftogaz, Yatsenyuk 10 once (although we could get rid of similar “good” ourselves), and even the whole Square ...

So, on the one hand there are trilateral Berlin talks on gas for Ukraine, where Kiev is represented by Energy Minister Yuriy Prodan, on the other hand Kiev has Yatsenyuk, who could not resist voicing his own requirements, apparently immensely believing in himself after Poroshenko announced the continuation of Arseny in his current position. And when Yatsenyuk looms behind the negotiators, behind which, in turn, such an organization as the “Washington Department of the Universe” looms, nothing positive can be expected from the negotiations. Maybe part of the debt and pay, but through whining, chewing and making delusional claims. Basically, chewing has already begun.



As soon as Mr. Prodan came out to the journalists after many hours of discussions, at which he heard the words about the agreements reached regarding the payment of the debt, he immediately started a familiar Maidan barrel organ. It turned out that Prodan Berlin discussions consider it almost ineffectual ... Prodan quotes EU plus:

We have not heard a clear proposal from the Russian side. I believe that concrete agreements have not been reached today, but I hope the consultations will continue. If we do not agree, changes to the contracts will be made by decisions in the Stockholm arbitration. Before the decision of the Stockholm arbitration, Ukraine is ready to make its calculations at a price close to the market and fair. The last price Ukraine had was 268,5 dollars.


"I had" and "paid" - different things. Not?

Interesting politicians, after all, came to Ukraine ... Then they “didn’t hear”, there they “didn’t see” ... And deafness with blindness attacks them only when the essence of contacts rests on a simple question: when are you going to give money? That is deaf and blind to the words “return” or “give back”, but only to see and look in the ear when “on - take”. For Sold with his boss Yatsenyuk such a diagnosis was again confirmed.

In addition, the so-called Finance Minister Square Alexander Shlapak is added to the Ukrainian politicians, a patient with a specific ailment. He said that Ukraine, well, will definitely pay its debts, if only Russia confirms gas prices for the future. At the same time, in the opinion of Kiev, Russia should “confirm” only 268,5 dollars for 1000 cubes (price with discounts on Kharkov agreements and on timely payment for gas).
It is noteworthy that for the past two months the very Kharkov agreements have not been in force due to the reunification of the Crimea and Sevastopol with Russia, and that Ukraine has not paid a penny for gas since last year.

And if you do not confirm, then Ukraine, you see, is not going to return any debt, and will even file a lawsuit against Russia. In both!

I don’t know how in the sphere of “high gas matters” and billion obligations, but in ordinary life for that, excuse me, they beat the muzzles and the “dark ones”. Well, in fact: it's hard to imagine that for several months in a nearby store someone just gave the goods they wanted with the words “okay, then pay”, and when “later” came, this “buyer” also said that he would pay only in the case when the price for already purchased goods will be reduced by a factor of two ... The most humane Russian court in the world would expect the claim from such a “buyer”, and even more desire to satisfy all its claims to the outlet ...


It is even more difficult to imagine the state of the average resident of the Russian hinterland, to which Gazprom’s gas pipe either didn’t reach it at all, or it did, but the resident had to pay a dozen pensions for carrying the gas to his home, not forgetting to pay for the gas itself so that it would not be shut off.

We are kept in Kiev for idiots, and we are all making a fuss with these “slag-trades” ... If they don’t want a good one, then at least Ettinger, even though Obama out of his pockets, pay for Ukrainian gas. Stockholm arbitration to help them ...
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  1. svp67
    svp67 28 May 2014 09: 34
    +35
    Yes, how long can you listen to these "ukrovopli", since they said that we will cut off the gas without payment and agreement - it means that it SHOULD be OFF. Let them enjoy "chocolate paradise"
    1. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 28 May 2014 09: 38
      +10
      Quote: svp67
      Let them enjoy "chocolate paradise"
      - You can collect candy wrappers from sweets and drown them! laughing
      1. dkflbvbh
        dkflbvbh 28 May 2014 10: 30
        +10
        Quote: Dazdranagon
        - You can collect candy wrappers from sweets and drown them!


        And their candy factories in our country to close, that would not be drowned with our paper.
        1. xenod55
          xenod55 28 May 2014 11: 17
          +15
          Porosyat factories "ROSHEN" in Russia have not been functioning since mid-March 2014, the accounts have been seized. Earlier (summer 2013) Roszdravnadzor banned the sale of ROSHEN products on the territory of Russia, as not complying with sanitary standards.
          1. Anton-sed
            Anton-sed 28 May 2014 12: 22
            +2
            An unfortunate coincidence)))
          2. dkflbvbh
            dkflbvbh 28 May 2014 13: 38
            +4
            Quote: xenod55
            Porosyat factories "ROSHEN" in Russia have not been functioning since mid-March 2014, the accounts have been seized. Earlier (summer 2013) Roszdravnadzor banned the sale of ROSHEN products on the territory of Russia, as not complying with sanitary standards.


            I know if they work or not, that Roszdravnadzor banned there - and the wife brought the sweets to Roshen yesterday from the store.
            1. Dazdranagon
              Dazdranagon 28 May 2014 14: 52
              +2
              Quote: dkflbvbh
              Candy Roshen wife yesterday from the store brought.
              - smuggling !!! laughing
              1. theadenter
                theadenter 28 May 2014 15: 28
                +2
                Last year’s from the warehouse dragged to sell, I guess.
                We have no Roshen in any store.
              2. Cynic
                Cynic 28 May 2014 19: 13
                +2
                Quote: Dazdranagon
                smuggling!!!

                Delay.
            2. The point
              The point 28 May 2014 15: 24
              +4
              Quote: dkflbvbh
              and the wife brought sweets to Roshen yesterday from the store.

              really wanted to poison? wassat
          3. Rubon
            Rubon 29 May 2014 05: 14
            0
            The products of "ROSHEN" are of low quality, I have not bought them before and do not buy in the future!
          4. Rubon
            Rubon 29 May 2014 05: 14
            0
            The products of "ROSHEN" are of low quality, I have not bought them before and do not buy in the future!
        2. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 28 May 2014 11: 32
          +4
          Quote: dkflbvbh
          And their candy factories in our country to close, that would not be drowned with our paper.

          not to close (why throw people out into the street), but to requisition and give to the United Confectioners ... they will find some application ...
          for one technology will cease to violate ...

          Well, this is ... an example of moskomprivat confectioners to help ...
          1. dkflbvbh
            dkflbvbh 28 May 2014 12: 07
            -3
            Do not feed your oligarchs FIG.
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 28 May 2014 14: 35
              +2
              Quote: dkflbvbh
              Do not feed your oligarchs FIG.

              are you thinking about the people who work at this plant?

              or do you only think in cliches and slogans?
    2. MOISEY
      MOISEY 28 May 2014 09: 39
      +8
      Yaytsenyuk counts on a reverse supply of gas, only he will give it, if it’s a black hole - how many do not give, everything will disappear.
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 28 May 2014 10: 35
        +5
        Quote: MOISEY
        Yaytsenyuk counts on a reverse supply of gas, only he will give it, if it’s a black hole - how many do not give, everything will disappear.


        Yes, Slovakia refused them in these supplies already. They understand that you will not get anything from Ukraine later.
      2. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 28 May 2014 11: 33
        +1
        Quote: MOISEY
        Yaytsenyuk counts on a reverse supply of gas, only he will give it, if it’s a black hole - how many do not give, everything will disappear.

        Yatsenyuk expects us to be bent ...
      3. Anton-sed
        Anton-sed 28 May 2014 12: 29
        +6
        It’s just that the drug will not let him go from the Maidan.
        Such a filthy camp, no words. Turn off the gas immediately! Let Europe feed these ... CRIMEA left without water, nonhumans, did not think! When our government will see clearly.
      4. timer
        timer 28 May 2014 22: 42
        +1
        What interests me first of all is not the comments of these egg-headed a la eggs, but the other, WHY GAZPROM ALLOWED THE AVALANGE OF GAS DEBT OF UKRAINE TO THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION? And BASTA!
        WHO ANYTHING TRIED TO GO TO THE STORE, AND IT WILL BE PAYED FOR BIKES, BUY A BREAD OF BREAD, AND? THE POPULATION OF RUSSIA PERMANENTLY INCREASES PAYMENT INCLUDING AND FOR GAS, AND GASKHAM GAS IS ACTUALLY FREE OF CHARGE OUR PRETTY DISTRIBUTES ?! IS THIS OWNERSHIP? HOW DO I LIKE SO RUDDER? HIS PEOPLE OF RUSSIA ELECTED, IF IT HAS FORGOTTEN. I do not give a shit about Ukrainians, if they use themselves as cattle with different Yushchenko, Yanukovych and other crooks! I think our position in the negotiations should be significant-PAY THE DEBT FOR THE DELIVERED GAS, -PO P \ O. LET AMERICOS AND EUROPE HIMSELF SOLVES THE PROBLEMS OF THESE PUPPETS. Indeed, they rule in Ukraine. And if the road is bent before them, the price is to him as a politician and as the head of the Russian Federation!
    3. sergey72
      sergey72 28 May 2014 09: 42
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      payment and agreement means it SHOULD BE CLOSED. Let them enjoy "chocolate paradise"

      I have suspicions that the gas will not be blocked .... hostages at the dill of the South-East .... it will hit hard ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 28 May 2014 09: 49
        +11
        Quote: sergey72
        I have suspicions that the gas will not be blocked .... hostages at the dill of the South-East .... it will hit hard ...
        Yes, it will strike, and the workers will be on the street, but here it depends on the skill of our country - with what slogans they will be there ...
        1. sergey72
          sergey72 28 May 2014 10: 21
          0
          Quote: svp67
          but here it depends on the skill of our country - with what slogans they will end up there ...

          So far, skills in this regard are lacking for us ...
        2. woron333444
          woron333444 28 May 2014 12: 27
          +2
          They’ll get out of the mines faster and take up defense, I think Russia will give gas to Novorossia on loan
      2. dkflbvbh
        dkflbvbh 28 May 2014 10: 38
        +7
        Quote: sergey72
        I have suspicions that the gas will not be blocked .... hostages at the dill of the South-East .... it will hit hard ...


        It was necessary to overlap 20 years ago, otherwise they fed and fed, and they bite like they bite the hand of the lactating one. Well, let them jump without gas, Crimea blocked the water and the euro-ass and striped are silent, tongues in the ass ... And Donbass and others let them stay on the street (they earn all the money from powders and Kolomoisk), they can change their minds, get out of mines and huts (which with the edge) and with weapons they will fight for their future, but will not hope that for them the uncle will do everything.
      3. nicollider
        nicollider 28 May 2014 10: 38
        +5
        Let me explain a little. Physically, Gazprom can shut off gas. on the border of the Russian Federation. but then European consumers will be left without gas. Therefore, there will be no such option, but the following: for Europe, 100 million cubic meters have been contracted — they will be pumped into the pipe. 50 will remain on the western border, which means the rest was stolen by Ukrainians.

        and since Neither Gazprom nor the Russian Federation are responsible for the Ukrainian gas transportation system, there will be no complaints against them (they certainly will, but at the level of emotions, not arbitration)
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 28 May 2014 11: 36
          0
          Quote: nicollider
          Neither Gazprom nor the Russian Federation are responsible for the Ukrainian gas transportation system, there will be no complaints against them (they certainly will, but at the level of emotions, not arbitration)

          But are we not obliged to guarantee deliveries to the GTS in Slovenia?
          the transfer point is located there ...
          1. VAF
            VAF 28 May 2014 18: 32
            0
            Quote: DanaF1
            But are we not obliged to guarantee deliveries to the GTS in Slovenia?


            If the Contract was signed on such terms of delivery as you write, then ... those who signed it must not only be suspended for one item on a very high bitch. But ..... in general to drive you up !!! soldier
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 28 May 2014 19: 56
              0
              Quote: vaf
              If the contract was signed on such terms of delivery as you write

              as if you are hearing about it for the first time ...

              In your opinion, what was the previous gas war with Ukraine?
        2. northern
          northern 28 May 2014 14: 27
          +1
          The Russian Federation is responsible for gas supplies to the EU border.
      4. Anton-sed
        Anton-sed 28 May 2014 12: 34
        0
        And now, gently beat? They crossed all boundaries of what is permitted.
      5. tolancop
        tolancop 28 May 2014 12: 35
        +3
        Quote: sergey72
        Quote: svp67
        payment and agreement means it SHOULD BE CLOSED. Let them enjoy "chocolate paradise"

        I have suspicions that the gas will not be blocked .... hostages at the dill of the South-East .... it will hit hard ...

        And they hit him anyway. And by supplying gas to the junta "for good", Russia in fact provides it with material support.
        In the absence of gas in the SE, industry will have problems. But will it hit the workers? Factories do not belong to workers !!! With or without Russian gas, the working people of SE in any case will have a hard time.
    4. Denis
      Denis 28 May 2014 10: 23
      +9
      Quote: svp67
      Let them enjoy "chocolate paradise"
    5. comprochikos
      comprochikos 28 May 2014 10: 56
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Yes, how long can you listen to these "ukrovopli", since they said that we will cut off the gas without payment and agreement - it means SHOULD

      Well, haven't you blocked it yet? belay
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    7. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 28 May 2014 11: 00
      +1
      Oh, how a geyropa will be delighted when the great Ukrainians start heating their stoves with their gas.
    8. Evgen_Vasilich
      Evgen_Vasilich 28 May 2014 13: 51
      +1
      block money transfers to Ukraine, that's all!
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 28 May 2014 14: 00
        0
        And I think that bargaining is not appropriate here !!!
    9. VAF
      VAF 28 May 2014 18: 13
      0
      Quote: svp67
      means it is NECESSARY TO CLOSE. Let them enjoy "chocolate paradise"


      +! But here is Vladimir Vladimirovich .. considers according to ..other request I just listened attentively to his speech at a meeting on this issue ..... 2, we must try to avoid the introduction of a prepayment system .. our reliable partners belay and friends belay etc. and in the same spirit " recourse

      therefore FOR THE FIRST TIME to my respected journalist, Mr. Alexey Volodin put MINUS..Not per article .No. but exclusively for ..article title.

      Because it should sound (in my opinion, of course) the only way "Gas" whine ...(only hereafter like .. so did not come up)..or Gazprom or Russia soldier

      This is IMHO soldier , therefore, I ask the "leavened patriots" ... "Do not bother with your .. slogans" wassat
    10. jovanni
      jovanni 29 May 2014 07: 20
      0
      "Peas in chocolate" - new candies from parashenka. They will have their own gas, -was started!
  2. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 28 May 2014 09: 37
    +5
    We are held in Kiev for idiots
    - and are afraid to talk 1 on 1 with our leadership! Kindergarten "Kozyulka" ... wassat
    1. comprochikos
      comprochikos 28 May 2014 11: 03
      +2
      This sold nifig on his own could not even say, blathers what the Eureka prompts him. Does not own the situation absolutely. Just like the red-haired circus princess from the State Department. It is not clear with whom we are finally trying to negotiate?
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 28 May 2014 09: 48
    +9
    They need to be strangled .. enough danced to their tune for 23 years, give loans, give gas, give oil .. in response .. Ukrainian volunteers in Chechnya, Georgia and in response no measures .. but that’s one stroke, but how many of them already accumulated .. time to answer ..
  4. Afinogen
    Afinogen 28 May 2014 09: 53
    +13
    I understood everything, Ukrainians themselves will produce gas laughing
    1. comprochikos
      comprochikos 28 May 2014 11: 06
      0
      Well this lope of peas must be purchased.
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  5. mig31
    mig31 28 May 2014 09: 55
    +2
    Twenty-three years old, how much can be maintained, let him earn and pay bills on his own ...
  6. Majorloms
    Majorloms 28 May 2014 09: 55
    0
    It is not that simple. If. if arbitration wins, then Gazprom, unfortunately, will incur losses of tens of billions of dollars. No wonder the junta so persistently, confidently and even with ridicule requires a discount. Eh, they warmed a snake ... Do not do good - you will not get evil.
    1. alauda1038
      alauda1038 28 May 2014 10: 27
      0
      an asymmetric answer will follow unequivocally after the Crimea, Europe and mattresses still cannot move away the main thing is to persistently move towards the goal Medvedev has already announced that Russia does not guarantee the integrity of dill - something like that
    2. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 28 May 2014 11: 40
      +1
      Quote: Majorloms
      If. arbitration win

      and with what fright would she win him?

      this is a purely economic dispute, and if Ukraine wins, although the right is on the side of the GP, then no one will have any business with Europe, for they will make it clear that even economic disputes there are tied to politics ...

      Do you think Chinese or Korean companies will decide to work where they can lose more than earn?
  7. kind
    kind 28 May 2014 09: 56
    0
    Something does not believe in promises, probably time is dragging on.
  8. Kaigal
    Kaigal 28 May 2014 09: 56
    +4
    Any credit is like getting in your pants in the cold when your feet are cold recourse
  9. Dbnfkmtdbx
    Dbnfkmtdbx 28 May 2014 09: 57
    0
    Sailboat, I agree with the taboo, let's cancel the Lenin’s decree and the Ukrainians will automatically become Russians, and at home we’ll quickly put things in order. All of Siberia will speak Ukrainian with accents and will only be heated stop
  10. Palych9999
    Palych9999 28 May 2014 10: 05
    +1
    It is necessary to trade gas with such "Slavic friends" strictly according to the principle: "Money in the morning - chairs in the evening."
    You can also vice versa, BUT "money - forward"
  11. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 28 May 2014 10: 08
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Yes, how long can you listen to these "ukrovopli", since they said that we will cut off the gas without payment and agreement - it means that it SHOULD be OFF. Let them enjoy "chocolate paradise"

    I agree completely! Turn off the gas and let Geyropa solve the dill issues herself! As the physical education instructor said: "You can't beat them, that's why I'm playing them off! It's okay!"
  12. Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 28 May 2014 10: 12
    +3
    joke remembered:
    -Mamo, do you want fried fish?
    -want..
    go get something.
    Are they taken?
    -buy at the bazaar.
    Well, are there any money for me?
    -Todi lie down and ne pyz..it.
  13. mackonya
    mackonya 28 May 2014 10: 13
    +1
    In any case, gas for Ukraine will not be turned off, natural gas is supplied through Ukraine’s gas transportation system to the EU, and they will already steal along the way, they have already passed this, so repeating this is not difficult. The debt will not be repaid, in any case not soon and not all of it. Therefore, it is necessary to increase volumes through the Nord Stream and achieve the final construction of the South Stream, otherwise a similar situation will be repeated with a frequency of 5 years
  14. Stinger
    Stinger 28 May 2014 10: 38
    +1
    The principle should be one - first pay off all the debt, resume the supply of military products under existing agreements, then negotiate. Why should there be discounts for plaintive cries?
    1. Elena Pavlova
      Elena Pavlova 28 May 2014 11: 30
      0
      Especially to whom ???
    2. Elena Pavlova
      Elena Pavlova 28 May 2014 11: 30
      0
      Especially to whom ???
  15. made13
    made13 28 May 2014 10: 43
    +3
    They will steal gas 100%. Only not with Russia, but with Europe - the responsibility for transit lies with the Ukrainian side. In the end, Russia may simply stop transit through Ukraine without fear of European sanctions, as Ukraine will be the switchman. In the end, gas is an irreplaceable natural resource for which there is a buyer in any case.
  16. ed65b
    ed65b 28 May 2014 11: 00
    +2
    one thing is not clear to me. The IMF issued a loan to Ukraine in advance by unfastening its part from it. Why can’t they give out a loan in advance by unfastening part of it for gas in favor of Russia, at least that part of which the EU has no doubts. Gazprom is not averse to Russians, and ordinary citizens of Russia have to pay from our own pockets for gas theft by Ukopami and gas theft to our S. Caucasus. (It's no secret that the debt of subscribers in the Caucasus is huge.)
  17. X Y Z
    X Y Z 28 May 2014 11: 07
    +2
    It is not the very fact of the upcoming gas theft that is surprising, this has already happened. And more surprising is the unshakable confidence and arrogance in the spirit of "America is behind us." That is, according to the junta, if they are fulfilling the American order, then any court of the planet must unwaveringly take their side and stupidly carry out the order. In my opinion, their faith in American power is much higher than the faith of the Americans themselves.
  18. Weniamin
    Weniamin 28 May 2014 11: 08
    0
    Ukraine, you see, is not going to repay any debt, and even file a lawsuit against Russia

    Fraudsters and scumbags. And in other things, close-minded people.
  19. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 28 May 2014 11: 21
    0
    By the results, we find out at the same time who in Russia is more important than Miller, or Putin. Or Russia's interests will be sacrificed to Gazprom, or vice versa.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 28 May 2014 13: 08
      0
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Or Russia's interests will be sacrificed to Gazprom, or vice versa.

      In the sense of ?
  20. pensioner
    pensioner 28 May 2014 11: 23
    +2
    Thank you Alex for the article! hi
    Mr. Yatsenyuk took the floor, who, as before, remains the "Prime Minister" independent. Yatsenyuk quotes LB.ua:

    We want to hear the answer from Russia, including the question of returning to Ukraine 2,2 billion cubic meters of gas that Russia stole through Chernomorneftegaz on the territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. This is in the prices of Russian Gazprom - 1 billion dollars.
    But after all, he also added that, from that moment, Ukraine is negotiating with Gazprom only in the presence of representatives of the EU and the US ... That's it ... Soon, he will not be able to go big without their control ...
  21. aud13
    aud13 28 May 2014 11: 55
    0
    All the same, gas shutoff can soberly affect the behavior of both Europe and Ukraine.
    And now it turns out that some climb with their moralizing, while others use gas pizjut and the funds that should be directed to Gazprom to direct pressure on the Southeast.
    I also recall Lavrov's words "bankrupt cannot demand - he can only ask." This means that now there are too many demands from Ukraine to Russia.
    Let them pay for gas at market prices, and then they demand ...
  22. Alll1
    Alll1 28 May 2014 12: 07
    +6
    We must probably direct others to negotiations laughing
  23. patriot75
    patriot75 28 May 2014 12: 12
    +1
    Quote: xenod55
    Porosyat factories "ROSHEN" in Russia have not been functioning since mid-March 2014, the accounts have been seized. Earlier (summer 2013) Roszdravnadzor banned the sale of ROSHEN products on the territory of Russia, as not complying with sanitary standards.

    That is why this pig is furious!
  24. mihasik
    mihasik 28 May 2014 12: 13
    +1
    So I'm thinking too ..) Can I stop paying for gas? And then demand from the local branch of Gazprom to reduce the price per cubic meter? Ukroh.trash will still get a discount (they always do that). And what am I "bald" ?!)
    1. mark2
      mark2 28 May 2014 12: 25
      0
      It’s bald. We are all bald here. Ukraine discounts, and us - compensation.
  25. mark2
    mark2 28 May 2014 12: 23
    -4
    If Ukraine does not begin to repay the debt before Friday May 30, then Russia will not cancel the prepayment system, bark Ukraine - “in the morning” money, Russia - “in the afternoon” gas.

    Do not start, but Russia will cancel! Supreme merged! That's it! Kina will not be
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 28 May 2014 13: 02
      0
      Quote: mark2
      Do not start, but Russia will cancel! Supreme merged! That's it! Kina will not be

      So it seems like NOVOLUNIA, not FULL MOON ?! Why are we whining then? Take an example?
      Dreams, dreams, but actually _
  26. awg75
    awg75 28 May 2014 12: 34
    +1
    I just want to demand from the Russian leadership: NO DROPS OF GAS NOR FREE AT AN EASY PRICE OF UKROPIA
  27. tasey
    tasey 28 May 2014 12: 55
    0
    We understand everything. Volodin's retreat about our "outback" and gas from GazMiller is especially good. But will we see a firm position? Or is it all there around the houseworms?
    1. dkflbvbh
      dkflbvbh 28 May 2014 13: 35
      0
      And you look at an advertisement about national wealth, think to whom it falls into your pocket (I personally do not consider myself rich), and only half of the country dream of gasification.

      I think you stop asking stupid questions.

      Moreover, in our country only positions and orders are given for theft ... And this is in front of the whole country.
  28. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 28 May 2014 13: 29
    0
    In order for this whole mess to end ... you need to stupidly (and in this situation this is the smartest decision) turn off the valve ... and don’t talk to anyone at all until full repayment ... Europe let herself crush the independent thieves ... she feed herself. .. let herself take measures.
  29. siberalt
    siberalt 28 May 2014 13: 49
    +2
    How much did Russia have to pump into the water supply due to the closure of the canal, which caused damage to the agricultural sector? And how much has Ukraine saved on pensions and benefits for Crimeans? For some reason, there is silence about this. Russia's position on gas is more than incomprehensible. Except for the shaking of the air with warnings that were pretty boring to everyone, nothing. It seems that not everything is clean in our "gas kingdom".
  30. D.V.
    D.V. 28 May 2014 14: 09
    +6
    I can not understand when this chaos will end? Damn me if I live like that! They don’t pay for gas. Please, take it. They are not solvent. Do not deign to take a loan. Well, at least not all were transferred. What the hell are we doing? It feels like we have nowhere to go. Yes, if it were okay, this money would have been a good idea, otherwise they just disappeared, hell knows what. And the gas must be shut off. And do not lower the price. To show firmness. A great power has rights to this. And let the dogs sprinkle in half with penny, as they say, the dogs bark and the caravan goes on. Noise and stop. And I think sanctions will do us good. Can we start raising agriculture? And even without our resources they will not last long.
  31. Sigismund
    Sigismund 28 May 2014 14: 47
    +2
    You just need to stop all conversations. Everything is said. June 3, there is no money, there is no gas. Screw the valve. Then we’ll see.
  32. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 28 May 2014 15: 06
    +1
    I think, to some extent, our government is also to blame that there is a contract with them, persuading to hold meetings, no money, no gas, RUSSIAN gas, which we want to do, within the limits of the concluded contracts. There is no money to turn off the cranes on June 2, let the Europies deal with the Ukrainians, there is a transit agreement, it clearly says who is responsible for what. Stop procrastinating the topic extremely tightly, we already swelled more than 250 billion dollars in these banderlogs, just talking from a position of strength and that's it, they don’t want to let them stay without gas or steal a European one and deal with it.
  33. Singularist
    Singularist 28 May 2014 15: 35
    0
    So far they are bulging out because summer is ahead, and when autumn and winter come, they will not talk so brazenly. Let their citizens be explained why there is no gas in the country and where did the IMF money go, in which the payment of Russia's debts was laid.
  34. gmasterbit
    gmasterbit 28 May 2014 16: 06
    0
    as they say, if you owe 100 rubles, then these are the problems of the debtor, if 100 million then these are your problems ...
    and about arbitration, Ukraine refers to discounts for bases in the Crimea, and the fact that now our nito did not recognize the Crimea. so there may well be a decision not in our favor
  35. uzer 13
    uzer 13 28 May 2014 18: 02
    +1
    Any compromise on the price of gas is a direct help to the pro-fascist regime and bandits.
  36. Polarfox
    Polarfox 29 May 2014 00: 48
    0
    Dear, let's not primitize the situation. Not only Ukraine sits on this pipe, but also the EU. And the same long-suffering Serbia, and friendly Bulgaria. And ordinary Germans, Italians and French, who advocate good relations with Russia. Therefore, it is impossible to simply block the pipe. It is possible to release through it only the amount of gas that the EU pays, and blame the shortfall on the transit country - Ukraine.

    Once again, a universal vine will rise about the gas blackmail of Ukraine, but is it worth it to be good for those to whom we are all the same bad?
  37. orsker
    orsker 29 May 2014 01: 20
    0
    Quote: MOISEY
    Yaytsenyuk counts on a reverse supply of gas, only he will give it, if it’s a black hole - how many do not give, everything will disappear.

    The Crimean gas storage tank holds only 1 billion cubic meters, the Ukrainian government has once again been liquidly blundered in its false statements.
  38. Polarfox
    Polarfox 29 May 2014 03: 56
    0
    “Before the appearance of the Chinese agreement, the EU's position was“ neither yours nor ours. ”Now the EU will try not to completely spoil relations with Gazprom and will distance itself from the Ukrainian gas issue. Already, the EU is cornyly persuading Ukraine to pay its debt to Russia for gas for 2013 and the first quarter of 2014. The EU and the IMF will help Ukraine pay off its debts by providing loans that will have to be repaid. But the EU is no longer deciding and negotiating with Russia on a new gas price for Naftogaz - as Ukraine wants it to do. The EU countries will first of all think about themselves and about the price of gas for ordinary residents and industry of the European Union, and for residents and factories of Ukraine. Actually, Ukraine seems to be left alone again with the "bloodthirsty" gas monopoly of Russia ", - continued expert.

    “But there is an even greater danger for Ukraine. The agreement between Gazprom and China stipulates that Russia will still receive from China investments in gas production in the amount of 20 billion dollars, as well as an advance of 25 billion dollars. These funds will allow Gazprom "to start the construction of the South Stream without the initial support of the European Union. And this threatens Ukraine with an annual loss of transit flow in the future up to 40-50 billion cubic meters of gas," Korolchuk summed up.

    Source: http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1804859.html#ixzz333dR8Kyt

    It seems to me that Yatsenyuk has not cut through yet, that the train has left, and that no one will dance on his hackneyed ultimatum record anyway.
  39. Salad
    Salad 29 May 2014 06: 49
    0
    and the Japanese right here http://www.gazeta.ru/business/2014/05/28/6050593.shtml
    The Japanese want Russian gas
    apparently politics is still prostitution wassat
  40. I think so
    I think so 29 May 2014 18: 31
    0
    An article at the level of kitchen conversations ... It’s not so simple ... Russia is not yet known through whose fault VLYAPA was in contracts with Europe where the final point of gas delivery is for Ukraine (note not FOR Ukraine, but FOR) and this circumstance implies that transit across Ukraine is the concern of Gazprom! And who could commit such stupidity? Yeltsin? Chernomyrdin? Vyakhirev? Miller? Covered with darkness of secrecy ... But all this DOESN’T MAKE AN OPPORTUNITY to talk with Ukraine from the position of POWER. Or only in the EXTREME CATASTROPHIC case ... It seems that this case has come for Russia ... But Russia will be the loser in this won. Why? Because Europe provoking Ukraine DO NOT PAY then ALL MONEY to finance Bendery will take fines from Gazprom ... Moreover, it will refuse Russian gas ... But Ukraine DOES NOT REALLY PAY AND WILL NOT (!). This should be the basis for the Russian leadership ... It seems that the time has come to CUT LIVE with all the problems and costs.