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"The dead of this cemetery cry out to the world." German military cemetery near Kursk

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Twenty minutes from Kursk, the city of Military Glory, near the village of Besedino, there is an impressive memorial complex to the memory of German soldiers who died during the Great Patriotic War on Soviet soil. About 40 thousands of names were carved on the plates of the memorial cemetery "Kursk-Besedino", which was officially opened 5 years ago - in 2009, with the active interaction of the Russian and German sides.


"The dead of this cemetery cry out to the world." German military cemetery near Kursk


In front of the entrance to the military cemetery, which is always open, a stove is installed with the following lines:

Soldiers graves have great preachers of the world (Albert Schweitzer, Nobel Prize winner).

This military cemetery of soldiers killed in World War II was built by the People’s Union of Germany to take care of war graves during the 2006-2009 period. on behalf of the Government of the Federal Republic of Germany. Maintenance and care of the cemetery, the People’s Union carries out donations and contributions. Young people from all over Europe, participating in international youth camps, help in the care and build bridges of interaction.

With the entry into force of the German-Russian Agreement on war graves in 1992, a legal basis was created so that a large precast cemetery of German soldiers who died in the battles of Kursk on Kursk was built on these 4,5 hectares near Kursk. The Russian government has donated land to the Federal Republic of Germany.

In 2005, the transfer of the remains of German soldiers to the Kursk-Besedino cemetery began. Before the cemetery was illuminated in 2009, the People’s Union over 24000 was reburied here, the remains of soldiers from hundreds of graves in Oryol, Kursk, Tula, Voronezh, Lipetsk and Belgorod regions. Upon completion, the rest and last refuge near the 40000 of the dead German soldiers will be found here.

The complex was consecrated on October 17 2009. The dead of this cemetery cry out for peace.




This is one of the largest graves of German soldiers in the Central Federal District, which received the status of a memorial complex. At one time, speaking at the opening of the German cemetery near Kursk, the then ambassador of Germany to Russia Walter Jürgen Schmid said that история teaches people not to repeat bloody mistakes and to find new contacts in order to develop full-fledged cooperation. The opening of the Kursk-Besedino memorial itself was called by the German delegation an important milestone in cooperation between Germany and the Russian Federation.



The People’s Union of Germany (NSG) for the care of the graves of military personnel abroad has been working on behalf of the German government exactly 60 years. The organization itself, the main motto of which “Conciliation over the graves is a work for peace” is one of the oldest public organizations of this type in Europe. Since 1919, the NSG has dealt with military graves and the protection of memorial complexes. Permanent employees of the NSS, along with volunteers, provide care, including the graves of Soviet soldiers who rest in Germany.



The head of the public organization declares that the soldiers of the Second World War and all the victims of that war have the right to rest, and should not be forgotten.

Assistance in the opening of the memorial cemetery and the reburial of the remains of German soldiers on it provided not only the authorities of Germany and Russia, but also relatives of German soldiers killed during the Great Patriotic War.







Says German citizen Eva Leer - granddaughter of the deceased 27 July 1943, in the battles on the Kursk Bulge of Private Robert Ebers:

According to the stories of the grandmother, the grandfather was sent to the Eastern Front in May 43. She was in position in those days. 26 July my mother was born, and a few days later the family learned that Robert (grandfather) was dead. He was not even twenty. For a long time, we did not have the opportunity to find the burial place of the deceased grandfather. And only thanks to the joint initiatives of Russian and German public organizations, the government structures did we learn about the burial place of Robert Ebers and visit his grave near Kursk. I was not able to attend the opening of the memorial, but for the second year in a row we, along with my son, come here as part of the People’s Union group to take part in the care of the memorial together with Russian volunteers. As you understand, I have never seen my grandfather, and therefore the opportunity to care for the mass grave in which he rests is especially significant for me. Sorry, mom and grandmother did not live to this point.






The German side reports that since the official opening of the memorial military cemetery near Kursk, more than a thousand relatives of the victims have already visited it.





A number of countries that call themselves embarking on the path of democracy, but at the same time engaged in an active struggle with the memory of the past, should have paid attention to the positive and more than democratic experience of cooperation between Russia and Germany in relation to common history.
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  1. mikki1701
    mikki1701 27 May 2014 07: 47
    +13
    Do not forget the soldiers who died in the war, even if they fought on the other side. Let history judge them, and we will be silent.
    1. fleks
      fleks 27 May 2014 09: 03
      +18
      I can’t agree with you and be silent — my grandfather went missing in 1944 in Belarus and I don’t even know where his grave is. And these, after all the abomination that they have done, we calmly lie in our land ??? I may agree with this when I fall into insanity and my memory fades away, but for now I remember about 27
      1. 290980
        290980 27 May 2014 11: 18
        -2
        In the meantime, I remember about 27

        By the way, in the early 50s, under the living Stalin, the Soviet side counted the victims and there were 7 million, Bri Brezhnev, this figure has increased to 20, at the moment 27, what will happen next?
        1. washi
          washi 27 May 2014 14: 37
          +2
          Quote: 290980
          In the meantime, I remember about 27

          By the way, in the early 50s, under the living Stalin, the Soviet side counted the victims and there were 7 million, Bri Brezhnev, this figure has increased to 20, at the moment 27, what will happen next?

          Counted during the IVS deaths in hostilities. Under IVS, they still consider the loss of Germany only in the Armed Forces (excluding civilians and their allies)
          This is consistent with the reports.
          We must also consider the losses on our front of the French, Danes, etc.
          20-27 million. This is taking into account civilians.
        2. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 29 May 2014 07: 09
          +1
          I believe that the complex of German memorials near Kursk should be supplemented with a stele at the entrance:
          “The Germans lying in these graves came to Russia as invaders to enslave the Russians and die ingloriously.
          Remember, those who came here, it is better to be friends with Russia than to fight "
          .
      2. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 27 May 2014 11: 28
        +8
        I agree with you !! Our country still cannot recover from such is the number of KILLED, TORTURED people by these reptiles and they will answer for it!
        NO ONE IS FORGOTTEN, NOTHING IS FORGOTTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! am soldier
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      4. washi
        washi 27 May 2014 14: 30
        +1
        Quote: fleks
        I can’t agree with you and be silent — my grandfather went missing in 1944 in Belarus and I don’t even know where his grave is. And these, after all the abomination that they have done, we calmly lie in our land ??

        Sorry, but ours and their search engines are looking for (you can join and (maybe) find the burial place of your grandfather).
        We have mutual obligations.
        They look after our cemeteries, we care for theirs.
        There are no complaints against the Germans and Hungarians.
      5. Mih
        Mih 28 May 2014 00: 16
        0
        And these after all abomination.
        In the meantime, I remember about 27. am
      6. Roman 57 rus
        Roman 57 rus 28 May 2014 00: 34
        0
        They, too, were missing a lot.
    2. pilot8878
      pilot8878 27 May 2014 13: 04
      +2
      Only let their graves remain where they were! Maybe they should start erecting monuments? His memorials would be put in order.
      1. krechet-1978
        krechet-1978 27 May 2014 13: 22
        +3
        Killed invaders must all be reburied in Germany - there will be something to ponder the local population. Mocking the dead is certainly not possible, but I personally feel sorry for our land for them.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 27 May 2014 13: 42
          +2
          According to our history, we’ll have to dig through the whole of Russia, there are so many of our enemies here. And Finns and Austrians and French and Chinese and all all all

          Let them lie. Land they rest in peace.
          1. krechet-1978
            krechet-1978 27 May 2014 15: 27
            0
            Che tensed then. Military reburial is a common thing, let the ashes lie on their native land and remind the living of what was done.
          2. krechet-1978
            krechet-1978 27 May 2014 15: 35
            +4
            And yet, a thief and a murderer burst into your apartment - burned, killed and raped. You stopped him - the enemy died in your apartment. Well, a person cannot have a desire to bury him solemnly in the remaining room. - Well, do it humanly - without mockery give the remains to the relatives of the enemy so that they remember and do not go to you. And do not la la - like they were forced to and they were called by the Vaterland - yes they decided everything for them - but it was they who killed and they, too, were responsible for crimes against the peoples of the USSR.
          3. krechet-1978
            krechet-1978 27 May 2014 15: 39
            +6
            And I will say even more. - It is very dangerous and generally impossible to put on the same level as our soldiers-defenders with the soldiers of the occupying forces of Europe. When the verge begins to fade, the nations again begin to choke with their blood.
        2. St Petrov
          St Petrov 27 May 2014 13: 42
          0
          According to our history, we’ll have to dig through the whole of Russia, there are so many of our enemies here. And Finns and Austrians and French and Chinese and all all all

          Let them lie. Land they rest in peace.
    3. Roman 57 rus
      Roman 57 rus 28 May 2014 00: 33
      0
      The war will not be over until the last soldier zahaponin!
    4. nnz226
      nnz226 28 May 2014 00: 53
      +2
      It is not history that should judge them, but we !!! These brutes came to kill, plunder, burn, destroy! We were considered their potential slaves! And they put graves ??? !!! Not a trace of them should remain on our land! And their bones found in the dust should be ground to fertilize the earth !!! The USSR lost about 8 million soldiers at the front, the remaining 19 million dead children, women, and the elderly are the "merit" of those who are lying under the plates, desecrating our land!
      1. Walking
        Walking 28 May 2014 16: 38
        +1
        All the enemy cemeteries on Soviet soil after the arrival of Soviet troops were plowed and demolished, and my opinion is that it was right. These invaders cannot be forgiven for all the atrocities that they committed on our land. Admitting these cemeteries, we are as if equating our soldiers and civilians of the country's defenders with murderers and executioners. Those who allowed such memorials are people who forgot the history of the country and the victims suffered by it in the war. And then we think why the youth puts an equal sign between our soldiers and the enemy.
  2. Lyubimov
    Lyubimov 27 May 2014 07: 52
    +17
    And in Europe they mock at our monuments, so we are people, and they are not clear who
    1. mikki1701
      mikki1701 27 May 2014 08: 04
      +7
      D URAKOV is enough everywhere. Do not blame the nation. German paratroopers proposed the creation of a volunteer battalion to help Donetsk and Lugansk. THEY WHO?
      1. fleks
        fleks 27 May 2014 09: 05
        +12
        they are not Germans but RUSSIAN-so do not confuse please
        1. sscha
          sscha 27 May 2014 10: 21
          +6
          They are Germans, born in Russia, who served in the SA and emigrated to Germany in the early 90s, like my friend and classmate who served in the Tula division. Or the Germans who lived before that in Kazakhstan, Tajikistan and beyond. This is the bulk of the "German paratroopers". Learn the math. hi
          1. malikszh
            malikszh 27 May 2014 12: 10
            -7
            There were no Germans in Tajikistan.
            1. sscha
              sscha 27 May 2014 14: 24
              +1
              Write down the address: Leninabad region, pos. Chorukh-Dayron, st. Zoe Kosmodemyanskoy, house 20 \ 1. My older brother lived in 20 \ 2. Now my brother is with me in the Urals, and their neighbors are in Germany.
              Learn the mat. part, dear malikszh! hi
              Z.Y. Forgot - Kairakorumsky district. Index - I do not remember! hi
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            3. 290980
              290980 27 May 2014 15: 02
              +1
              Are you sure??? I can only tell you from my circle of friends 2 dozen who came from there.
              1. sscha
                sscha 27 May 2014 15: 59
                0
                Gerdt V.G. not in your circle? hi
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    2. aleks_29296
      aleks_29296 27 May 2014 09: 33
      +9
      It is ironic that just those who were liberated from fascism are mocking. And the Germans keep our obelisks and memorials in order.
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    4. malikszh
      malikszh 27 May 2014 12: 09
      -5
      maybe in some country in Europe but not in Germany we must remember this!
    5. washi
      washi 27 May 2014 14: 40
      +1
      Quote: Lyubimov
      And in Europe they mock at our monuments, so we are people, and they are not clear who

      Whoever mocks is to be answered.
      The Germans cherish.
      Having restored the Reichstag building, they left part of the inscriptions.
      They know that we can restore all inscriptions.
  3. ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 27 May 2014 08: 11
    +5
    forget about the victims of the war, but you should always write at the entrance to the memorials "they came to us with a sword", all the same, this should become a rule and lesson for the new Fuhrer and their sycophants with hot heads.
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 27 May 2014 09: 03
      +2
      Alas, history does not teach anything to these newly-minted Napoleons, and so each time we have to make our way to their den.
      1. Sibiryak1303
        Sibiryak1303 27 May 2014 11: 20
        +10
        In Europe there is such fun - once every 100 years, all come together and ... get Lyuley from Russia lol
        1. krechet-1978
          krechet-1978 27 May 2014 13: 27
          +1
          In the future, we need to be smarter and not leave Paris or Berlin (old Russian cities) after liberation from the mud. Why is Berlin worse than Kaliningrad, for example?
          1. smile
            smile 27 May 2014 17: 12
            +2
            krechet-1978
            :))) My Kaliningrad is still better than Berlin.
            Firstly, in Berlin, there is a bit too much Germans.
            Secondly, according to the Germans themselves, Turks and Albanians are even more there than Germans.
            Well, and on fig that Berlin surrendered to us? :)))
  4. Gunxnumx
    Gunxnumx 27 May 2014 08: 18
    +6
    I would like the world to be told about the state of the soldiers' cemeteries (even the aggressors - Germans, Hungarians) and the attitude towards memorials in Poland and the Baltic states at a sufficiently high level. In my opinion, even the Germans themselves are much more decent than the aforementioned "countries".
  5. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 27 May 2014 08: 39
    0
    At the time, speaking at the opening of the German cemetery near Kursk, the then German ambassador to Russia Walter Jürgen Schmid said that history has taught people not to repeat bloody mistakes and find new contacts in order to develop full-fledged cooperation.
    History has shown that the Germans have the shortest memory. hi
    1. I think so
      I think so 29 May 2014 19: 20
      0
      The ambassador said that the whole of Europe thinks "not to repeat bloody mistakes" ... That is, next TIME THEY WILL NOT BE WRONG ...
  6. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 27 May 2014 08: 55
    +9
    Yes, here in Russia, probably more than half of the German army is buried, in the end they came here "for the land" and they somehow got it, of course, probably not in the form they wanted.
    1. starochkin77
      starochkin77 27 May 2014 10: 14
      +7
      Three-quarters, the loss of the Wehrmacht, on the eastern front (USSR) hi
      1. krechet-1978
        krechet-1978 27 May 2014 13: 28
        +1
        Re-dig all in Germany - let the modern Germans live in the cemetery ...
  7. albai
    albai 27 May 2014 09: 17
    +8
    "The dead have no shame," said Prince Svyatoslav, and this is truly so! We fought, we died, it's a soldier's business! Well, why did they die, the second thing, the main thing is that the descendants understand and not repeat!
    1. krechet-1978
      krechet-1978 27 May 2014 13: 30
      0
      Why they died - the first thing! There are always right and always guilty.
  8. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 27 May 2014 09: 17
    +9
    I honestly don't even know, but most likely I don't want to understand this. The words of the guide from the museum in Stalingrad: Earlier, the Germans on the excursion said "yes, we were wrong", and the younger generation that has come recently says "our grandfathers, what did they do wrong, did not put you down." Perhaps not all Germans have this attitude, but fact is fact.
    1. I think so
      I think so 29 May 2014 19: 17
      0
      And before and now and NOT ONLY GERMANS ALL EUROPE (!) Thought and thinks what was done wrong, since they did not press it ... Take off your rose-colored glasses and take a real look at the mean, envious, corrupt, petty, evil old Europe ... Soviet times THEY WERE AFRAID that's why they said "yes we were wrong", now they are NOT AFRAID and THINK OF REVANCE!
  9. ddd1975
    ddd1975 27 May 2014 09: 27
    +9
    My grandfather is buried in Weimer. I do not have the opportunity to travel to Germany often, but the grave is looked after and there is always order - thanks to the Germans for that. There is a Marine Cemetery in Vladivostok - White Czechs and Japanese are buried there - and it is always clean and tidy. Soldiers' cemeteries are needed - this is a memory. "Those who do not remember history have no future" - the Baltic countries prove this.
    1. krechet-1978
      krechet-1978 27 May 2014 13: 39
      +1
      My question is - How many war memorials were there in the world for our soldiers if fascist Europe won the war?
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 27 May 2014 14: 30
        +2
        [quote] Here I have a question - How many war memorials were there in our soldiers if fascist Europe won the war? [quote] As an example, the Baltic states. hi
      2. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 27 May 2014 14: 30
        0
        [quote] Here I have a question - How many war memorials were there in our soldiers if fascist Europe won the war? [quote] As an example, the Baltic states. hi
    2. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 27 May 2014 17: 30
      +1
      My grandfather is buried in Weimer. I don’t have the opportunity to travel to Germany often, but the grave is looked after and there is always order - thanks to the Germans for this.
      Thanks to the Germans, one could say if they had not turned on us on 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX. and they wouldn’t have to look after your grandfather’s grave, and you could see him alive, and not from photographs. hi
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  10. Morgan761
    Morgan761 27 May 2014 09: 43
    +2
    Quote: albai
    "The dead have no shame," said Prince Svyatoslav, and this is truly so! We fought, we died, it's a soldier's business! Well, why did they die, the second thing, the main thing is that the descendants understand and not repeat!


    Yes, there are so many such cemeteries in Russia for the edification of the descendants that out of these graves the entire state. the border can be drawn up. That the enemy would approach, look, and ... move to itself away while parts of a body are in the places provided by the nature.
    1. I think so
      I think so 29 May 2014 19: 11
      0
      Only the fool can repel the enemy with cemeteries ... The enemy is scared off by missile tanks and, most importantly, the MORAL SPIRIT of the army ... and you scare the cemeteries ... Are you stoned?
  11. Support
    Support 27 May 2014 10: 54
    +1
    I think I have no moral right to judge soldiers (but not sadists from various sonderkommands). They simply performed the ordinary duty of a military man. And they died - honestly, fertilizing our (alien to them) Earth. Just in due time, some ghouls swept two great nations - Germans and Russians. And we, the descendants, must not allow this in the future.
    1. dmb
      dmb 27 May 2014 13: 16
      +4
      Tell me, but for sadists there are separate cemeteries, or they lie on these. What duty and to whom did they fulfill on our land? Those who performed the duty to the German people were destroyed in concentration camps along with our prisoners of war. The thing is different, buried and buried, why crack about it in all the newspapers. The strengthening of friendship with the German people should not be expressed in this at all. And we still manage to award orders to the creators of the cemetery of the invaders.
    2. Alf
      Alf 27 May 2014 16: 25
      +2
      Quote: Prop
      I think I have no moral right to judge soldiers (but not sadists from various sonderkommands). They simply carried out the usual duty of the military. Just at the time, some ghouls overwhelmed two great nations - Germans and Russians.

      These "soldiers" and "non-sadists from the Sonderkommando" have done evil and grief no less than the SS men from the Eintzatzgruppen. This "great people" himself pounced on us, supporting the "Mein Lieber Fuhrer". And there should be no monuments to them on the land of Great Russia. And tourists from Germany should be brought to OUR military cemetery, brought to the ravine and said: Here are your supermen. They wanted land - they got it. And so it will be with everyone who comes to us with a sword!
    3. smile
      smile 27 May 2014 17: 29
      +3
      Support
      Oh. just do not get here on the memoirs of excuses for the shortcomings, modern German tales of honest soldiers. They say that it’s not us who destroyed the nearly twenty million Soviet civilians and prisoners of war, it’s all the SS, those who are the SS, they say no, it’s not us — these are the collaborators, the Baltic Nazis and the Bandera people see that they were fighting for freedom, and the Russians were destroying people disguised commissars.
      And the facts are as follows - just ordinary German soldiers who. as you say, they performed their usual military duty, and committed the bulk of the wildest atrocities. And don't tell tales about that. that all the blood was on the account of the Einsatzkommands - there were not so many of them, they simply would not have coped. By the way, back in the spring of 41, the corresponding orders were issued on joint actions of the Wehrmacht with the Einsatzgruppen. They were ALWAYS backed up and backed up by units of "ordinary soldiers".
      Each ordinary Wehrmacht was informed that it was necessary to destroy us without any undertakings, at any sign of disobedience ... I especially liked the line of the order issued in the summer (to search for laziness) - it sounds something like this - for the insufficiently decisive use of firearms and cold steel when leading to obedience local population, a soldier will be held accountable.
      They even separately mentioned edged weapons. Suddenly the "ordinary soldier" forgets that the child can not be shot, but stabbed with a bayonet or smashed his head with a rifle butt. Like this.
      And the "ordinary soldiers" were not at all shy. Therefore, they all turned into a real pack of executioners and murderers, with rare exceptions.
  12. padonok.71
    padonok.71 27 May 2014 13: 06
    +6
    I hate with all fibers the souls of Caucasians. I fought with them and if necessary (and probably soon) I will go again to kill them (or they will me). But I will never defile the graves of the enemy. He earned respect. He was strong - I am stronger. He was fast - I'm faster. He made me afraid of him - I made him cry from the animal horror in front of me. The sweeter my victory. And humiliating the graves of the enemy, you humiliate your victory.
    My great-grandfather fought in four wars, both of my grandfathers went through the furnace of World War II. And when I was a four-year-old boy backed up to write in a German cemetery near Chern, my grandfather beat me with a crutch with an estimated battle. Thanks grandfather for the science.
    Respect dead enemies. Hate the living.
    1. 290980
      290980 27 May 2014 15: 06
      +3
      I hate with all fibers the souls of Caucasians. I fought with them and if necessary (and probably soon) I will go again to kill them (or they will me). But I will never defile the graves of the enemy. He earned respect. He was strong - I am stronger. He was fast - I'm faster. He made me afraid of him - I made him cry from the animal horror in front of me. The sweeter my victory. And humiliating the graves of the enemy, you humiliate your victory.
      My great-grandfather fought in four wars, both of my grandfathers went through the furnace of World War II. And when I was a four-year-old boy backed up to write in a German cemetery near Chern, my grandfather beat me with a crutch with an estimated battle. Thanks grandfather for the science.
      Respect dead enemies. Hate the living.


      I express respect. words Men, subscribe to every word. Fighters with the dead for me, pugs barking at the lion.
    2. w3554152
      w3554152 27 May 2014 23: 34
      +2
      These are the words of a real Russian soldier. Shake your hand. "We are Russians, what a delight!" A.V. Suvorov
      1. I think so
        I think so 29 May 2014 19: 07
        0
        Nonsense! Nobody fights the dead! But TO ALLOW THE MEMORY OF ANIMALS TO PERMANENT ON YOUR (!) EARTH is a crime before the EARTH OF THE FATHER'S FATHERS! Having immortalized the memory of the BEAST, you are ONE step away from THEIR JUSTIFICATION ... dear you are our "real mZchina" ...
  13. Carlos
    Carlos 27 May 2014 14: 19
    +6
    It’s beautifully done, neatly in German. The memorial to those guys who walked around our villages and cities with rolled-up sleeves leaving behind a fire burns and the bodies of mothers, children, old people. My opinion is invariable: the graves of the invaders are just a bulldozer. I also recall that ours there are monuments to the soldiers too. But our liberator soldier. The truth may be German, Romanian, Magyar, Polish, Italian, etc. However, the truth is one. And we know it.
  14. Alf
    Alf 27 May 2014 16: 17
    +2
    In Samara, they also want to erect a monument to the whites. After what they created, it’s not like a monument, but I’d like to erase the whole memory of them.
  15. raven75
    raven75 27 May 2014 16: 38
    +1
    Let them lie calmly. They are no longer to blame for anything, they got their full ... The Germans also look after the graves of our soldiers in Germany, so, to hell with fighting the dead, my opinion.
    1. I think so
      I think so 29 May 2014 19: 00
      0
      Nekhren TO DEPART YOUR LAND BY MEMORIZING THE MEMORY OF ANIMALS who came here TO DEMAND OUR PEOPLE! And I recommend that you correct your opinion on this subject after reading the REAL EVENTS and the REAL VICTIMS. Apparently you just DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE ABOUT DESTROYING THIS ANIMAL ... But in vain if you consider yourself to be in the Russian world you should at least get to know this and not watch crazy modern films about that war ...
  16. Eugene
    Eugene 27 May 2014 17: 13
    +3
    A slippery topic ... Very much. Even in the mid-90s, it somehow started a conversation on a similar topic in one particular company. It’s like that the soldiers were obeying the order, and other crap. And you need to respect them, at least put some sign. We looked at me , as if they thoughtlessly and said: We didn’t call them here. It’s clear and understandable. What are you going to object to? He was in the GDR of the late 60s in Soviet cemeteries. Everything is fine, well-groomed. I don’t know how it is now. At home, my mother has a letter from the Polish Red Cross, signed by Janos Psimianowski (Four tankmen and a dog), about the whereabouts of her father’s grave. The territory of Poland. Everything seems to be in order.
    There is a monument near Feodossiya. On the E-97 highway, in the direction of Kerch, Between the village of Primorskoe and the village of Batalnoe. It says, literally I don’t remember, "To the defenders of the Ak Monaysk border. The year 1942." And that's all. And along this line there are so many defenders are lying around, until Kerch is scattered ... Not a dozen thousand! And God forbid, if at least two out of three hundred are identified. Or the steppe. As far as the horizon. There is a stele. Inscription: 500 Red Army soldiers (unnamed) and two quartermasters of the second rank ( I’m not talking about the Gzhatsky forests! What can we say to all this? What can we say to those boys, 18 years old, men 30 years old, fathers of families 45 years old, who lie near Stalingrad, Leningrad, near Murmansk, "Far, beyond the Vistula sleepy .. "? Like, we made up?
  17. Klim podkova
    Klim podkova 27 May 2014 18: 16
    +3
    Our memory is short. Right now in eastern Ukraine, fighters are dying on both sides. Sooner or later, monuments to the dead militia were erected in Novorossia. Can you imagine today that a monument will be erected in Donetsk to the dead fighters of the Right Sector and the National Guard? But it is quite possible that after 50, talks about reconciliation will begin, that all the dead are Ukrainians, that they were following orders ...
  18. bunta
    bunta 27 May 2014 22: 39
    0
    The dead of this cemetery cry out to the world.


    If these dead did not "cry out", but would repent of the evil they committed, it would still be possible to accept.
    And so. "Appeal" is not a brake on idiots.
  19. vitalm
    vitalm 27 May 2014 23: 16
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    Hundreds of years have passed with the German Drang nach Osten, and the memory of the Germans fails once again. Bismarck is not enough for them. The Germans wake up! Stop looking at the mouth of the nuggies!
  20. w3554152
    w3554152 27 May 2014 23: 26
    +1
    The Germans maintain our military cemeteries in Germany better than we do our Russians. Why? And among the personnel of the cemeteries, I often saw veterans of the Wehrmacht at one time. We, unfortunately, did not save massively German graves in the battlefield. But in vain. They did not understand that there is education, patriotism, and the connection of times, and the mutual benefits of communication between Russians and Germans in places of memory. We need each other. In addition, this is clear evidence for centuries and the result of the combat work of our fathers and grandfathers, who remained in the fields in millions. They were not at war with phantoms. The best army in the world at that time was ironed out and we were bequeathed to keep the powder dry. We have a place for everyone. Pushkin also said: "So send your embittered sons, you whites!> They have a place in the fields of Russia> Among the coffins not alien to them!" And when you are abroad, do not forget to ask the Germans, "Where is the cemetery of Russian soldiers here?" Take some flowers to those to whom we all owe today.
  21. Mih
    Mih 28 May 2014 00: 05
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    40 thousand names were stamped on the slabs of the Kursk-Besedino memorial cemetery, which was officially opened 5 years ago - in 2009, with the active cooperation of the Russian and German sides.
    I understand everything, but who called them here? stop
    Now, in euros .. Well, again, they want to put their sunflowers?
    So we have a lot of land - enough for everyone, there would be something to worry about. love
    Cemeteries will be provided for everyone, brave soldiers, do not hesitate soldier
  22. Mih
    Mih 28 May 2014 00: 24
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    Quote: krechet-1978
    must be all reburied in Germany

    Germany would never agree to this - no land. Burghers know how to count money, just like Americans - they die for a penny, because they are Protestants (
    BAPs - white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant) belay
  23. nnz226
    nnz226 28 May 2014 00: 57
    +3
    This is where the graves cope !!! ??? Syusyukat with their descendants ??? Yes, their bones must be crushed into dust and sprayed in the wind!
    1. 290980
      290980 28 May 2014 02: 05
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      This is where the graves cope !!! ??? Susyukat with their descendants?
      you need to look here cardboard fool http://www.diletant.ru/articles/4425076/
  24. Rubon
    Rubon 28 May 2014 02: 57
    +2
    How would I say, I have a unequivocal attitude towards this matter, aggressors and occupiers and monuments to them on Russian soil .... In the early 60s, near the village of Dretun, Polotsk region, Vitebsk region, the BSSR, they bulldozed a large German cemetery. Sometimes I even think that this was the right approach, they were razed to the ground, out of sight and not remembered, but for relatives it will be enough that he has disappeared somewhere in the vast expanses of Russia, and let them remember for the future .... soldier
  25. Morgan761
    Morgan761 28 May 2014 06: 08
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    Quote: Mih
    Cemeteries will be provided for everyone, brave soldiers, do not hesitate


    From the opera: Where am I going to bury you?))))

    And about the fact that they were soldiers, they obeyed orders and blah blah blah ... Let me remind you that many judges of Nazi Germany tried to cover themselves with the phrase that they acted within the framework of the state law. Doesn’t resemble anything ?!
    Tomorrow they will sing the same thing in the independent Avakov and others like them ... Well, for them Strelkov, I think, will not regret a handful of zemstvos, and I will support him in this outburst, as I can ...
  26. Ankarrakhtyn
    Ankarrakhtyn 28 May 2014 09: 35
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    Quote: Alf
    Quote: Prop
    I think I have no moral right to judge soldiers (but not sadists from various sonderkommands). They simply carried out the usual duty of the military. Just at the time, some ghouls overwhelmed two great nations - Germans and Russians.

    These "soldiers" and "non-sadists from the Sonderkommando" have done evil and grief no less than the SS men from the Eintzatzgruppen. This "great people" himself pounced on us, supporting the "Mein Lieber Fuhrer". And there should be no monuments to them on the land of Great Russia. And tourists from Germany should be brought to OUR military cemetery, brought to the ravine and said: Here are your supermen. They wanted land - they got it. And so it will be with everyone who comes to us with a sword!
  27. I think so
    I think so 29 May 2014 18: 49
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    I think THIS Fascist cemetery is a betrayal of the Soviet soldiers who fought against the Nazis! It is IMPOSSIBLE for the victorious country to PERMIT TO LEAVE THE MEMORY OF THE BEASTS who tried to capture this country. No tolerance, no humanity and other democratic delirium can justify such BARBARITY IN RELATIONSHIP TO YOUR LAND, as the permission to IMMOVE the memory of the INVADERS. To tear off the hands and heads of those ur.ods that allowed this to be done with the NATIVE EARTH. I would like to know the SURNAME NAMES AND WHERE ARE those signature officials who are under such permission live ... Just in case ... maybe THEY ARE THE "BEST GERMAN" and live there ...
  28. kvs45
    kvs45 15 June 2015 15: 26
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    Quote: fleks
    I can’t agree with you and be silent — my grandfather went missing in 1944 in Belarus and I don’t even know where his grave is. And these, after all the abomination that they have done, we calmly lie in our land ??? I may agree with this when I fall into insanity and my memory fades away, but for now I remember about 27
    why are you going to fight the dead? Well, dig their graves and hang the ashes on the pillars! And where do such obscurantists come from?
  29. bob4413
    bob4413 20 March 2016 15: 26
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    I live in the village. Reeds of the Kursk region. When I was collecting materials for my book "From Nedoplyokhov to Kamyshi" one local resident, he was 1943 years old in 13 and he remembers how they collected in the vicinity of the village. Murvlyovo killed Germans and buried them in the field in the pits from under the potatoes. There were more than 50 Germans; they all fled from the village. Mikhailovo. And another countryman said where they buried 2 more Germans in the village. Ushakovo.