West compensates Ukraine for the loss of Russian markets

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According to the STATUS QUO, with reference to the people's deputy, honorary president of the UPEC Group of Companies Anatoly Girshfeld, in the near future the Lozovsky Forging-Mechanical Plant will receive a large amount of defense orders.

According to the deputy, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine are going to buy 200 armored personnel carriers, and there have been shifts on the Iranian contract. “Under this contract, work will continue in full - the supply of 420 armored personnel carriers minus the 90 that already exist. The official delegation from Myanmar will arrive at the plant, they have plans to purchase at least 200 armored personnel carriers. And as much, even more, is now in contract processing, ”said Girshfeld.

He noted that Ukraine received orders for an armored personnel carrier in compensation "for the loss of the Russian markets." A significant part of the contracts will be at LKMZ - the main manufacturer of light armored vehicles. “Their implementation should begin in mid-summer. The plant should undertake the manufacture of a maximum set for armored personnel carriers. This will give work to other areas of LKMZ - blacksmithing and mechanical assembly. In general, the plant is changing its production structure: the railway line, frozen due to the shutdown of the car-repair factories, will be replaced by others, ”the deputy added.

Meanwhile, as the blog reports bmpd, in the Ukrainian network sources there were pictures of the BMM-4С - the sanitary version of the BTR-4 - the National Guard of Ukraine, which came under fire between Slavyansk and Izyum.

Six BMM-4s were part of the 42 batch of BTR-4 units, which were intended for Iraq. The returned vehicles from this lot were handed over to the National Guard of Ukraine in April.

“And the cars we drive, do you know where are they from?” Do you remember, there was a scandal when Iraq refused Ukrainian technology? Here we gave it to us. She is not ready to fight, of course. Now and then repairmen from the factory come. We even had to give up one car, took another, ”quotes the words of a certain warrant officer Roman from the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine. "Vesti-Reporter".
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  1. Gagarin
    +51
    26 May 2014 12: 22
    It is necessary as in 1917 — workers in the workshops sabotaged production and intentionally spoiled the manufactured products. Kiev SHOULD NOT GET ANYTHING!
    1. +29
      26 May 2014 12: 55
      ...soon “The Lozovo Forge and Mechanical Plant will receive a large volume of defense orders.”

      This is from the series: "One grandmother said."
      А "soon..." may not come never.
      "Tale" of the oligarch for his unemployed, so as not to riot.
      1. 0
        26 May 2014 13: 06
        Who is rebelling there? Lozova is Kharkov. Kharkov - Tsarev. Tsarev will cooperate with anyone. Yes, he does not hide it.
      2. +15
        26 May 2014 13: 42
        A vivid example to them of the Baltic states which the Golden Mountains promised and then when they took her by the horns, they explained that their products were not of the European standard !!
        1. +13
          26 May 2014 14: 19
          Why go far, remember the unfinished aircraft carrier Ulyanovsk that was cut on a slipway in Nikolaev, under the promise to build supertankers, and show at least one that was built there.
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        3. Bobah
          +10
          26 May 2014 14: 26
          Why do they need the Baltics? They have their own: at the shipyards in Nikolaev, at 92, they were offered to cut the laid down aircraft-carrying cruisers, in exchange for "many orders for large-tonnage civil ships", they were cut ... since then the shipyards have been empty. But who is there paying attention to this? they have their own story ...
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        5. +2
          26 May 2014 14: 40
          It will be here. Only in a more rigid form. After all, Merikos need to beat off their grandmothers, swollen in a coup. They are interested in money, not Ukrainians statehood.
      3. +1
        26 May 2014 14: 55
        The West will NEVER do anything for Ukraine. He does not compensate for anything. It's like moving NATO eastward. Lying mangy prostitutes. They can pour money into them for propaganda against Russia, shaman the army, so that later, like a Sahak, set them on Russia. Given the complete passivity of the local population, the scenario is more than likely. Fortunately, there is a "holy" target for each Velikoukrop, the Crimea. In my opinion, to avoid this, confrontation is needed now. Then it will get worse.
    2. +3
      26 May 2014 13: 51
      West compensates Ukraine for the loss of Russian markets

      Has he not gone dry, this "west" ???
      We’ll still see who lost what there ...
      And interestingly - how can a promise to load ONE enterprise orders, compensate for the loss of production from HUNDRED ???
      1. +1
        26 May 2014 16: 44
        Quote: olegff68
        We’ll still see who lost what there ...

        how is it who and what?
        Rogozin clearly said that ALL defense products will be produced in Russia ...
        Ukrainians fly like plywood over Paris ...
    3. +3
      26 May 2014 14: 10
      Yes, this is a drop in the ocean !! They console themselves, leaning against the TV: "I have a big one, I have a big one" :)
    4. +1
      26 May 2014 14: 23
      So there is no need to sabotage, this equipment is returned back anyway: "And the cars we drive, do you know where? Do you remember there was a scandal when Iraq refused Ukrainian equipment? So they gave it to us. She is not ready to fight, of course. Every now and then, repairmen come from the factory. We even had to abandon one car, we took another, "the Internet magazine Vesti-Reporter quotes a certain warrant officer Roman from the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine.
    5. SSR
      +2
      26 May 2014 14: 36
      Quote: Gagarin
      It is necessary as in 1917 — workers in the workshops sabotaged production and intentionally spoiled the manufactured products. Kiev SHOULD NOT GET ANYTHING!

      One thing "confuses" me Hirschfeld - again Ukrainian people rule
    6. 0
      26 May 2014 15: 01
      Interesting? Why should they sabotage? After all, they also want to eat tasty and thickly poop. And this type of product will be in demand.
    7. +2
      26 May 2014 15: 59
      Myanmar’s cheap ones will buy everything ... well, at the price of scrap metal ... wassat
  2. +32
    26 May 2014 12: 22
    I'm afraid that with compensation it will be the same as with loans from the USA and the EU.
    1. +14
      26 May 2014 12: 27
      It is felt that the order of equipment will have a one-time character that does not change the situation with the lack of sales markets.
    2. +18
      26 May 2014 12: 28
      If my memory serves me right, the volume of deliveries to Russia was 60 billion Baku a year.
      They believe that they will be compensated by zakov for this amount ?!
    3. Gloria45
      +18
      26 May 2014 12: 28
      Quote: papont64
      I'm afraid that with compensation it will be the same as with loans from the USA and the EU.


      Everything is as always, nothing new: "Hold the cash, do not regret show-off!"
      1. +4
        26 May 2014 14: 38
        Quote: gloria45
        Quote: papont64
        I'm afraid that with compensation it will be the same as with loans from the USA and the EU.

        Everything is as always, nothing new: "Hold the cash, do not regret show-off!"

        And again, "They are rich fools ..." laughing
    4. +24
      26 May 2014 12: 32
      Quote: papont64
      I'm afraid that with compensation it will be the same as with loans from the USA and the EU.

      yes yes it hurts everything is rosy Ukrainian politicians describe everything and the West is silent and smiles stupidly
    5. +9
      26 May 2014 12: 35
      He promised - does not mean married.
      1. avt
        +11
        26 May 2014 12: 46
        Quote: Blondy
        He promised - does not mean married.

        Well, why, then, "opened the market for agricultural products in the EU until November. BUT! Producers must first get different licenses, which correspond to the technical specifications adopted in the EU, and for this they do not know how much money and years they need. That's how they are in industry. they will do it according to the principle "Come here, but stay in place" and will slowly stifle competitors. Here in Slovaks, from the time of the CMEA, there was a good weapons complex. Who has heard anything large-scale about Slovak weapons today ??? The first steps on the project "Ukraine 1991" have already been taken - they knocked Kiva on the "Antonov", they stopped financing the industry. They are walking the right path to mass unemployment and the destruction of industry, well, the flag in their hands, their state, two-color, which was sent to them from the Lower Austrian land.
        1. +1
          26 May 2014 13: 20
          do you speak certificates? you will not recall in which country the pogrom was smashed by trucks with fruits such as local farmers simply transported with everyone who declared that this was their market and their income. how much will they tolerate such supplies? obviously less than Kiev wants Europe moved to Asia too many industries to remain without jobs
          1. BIC
            BIC
            0
            26 May 2014 19: 06
            I read it three times - I didn’t understand anything ...
      2. Orc-xnumx
        +3
        26 May 2014 13: 42
        Quote: Blondy
        He promised - does not mean married.

        What I just did not promise on you !!!
    6. +8
      26 May 2014 12: 42
      may they fool fat-eaters, that's a fact.
      1. 0
        26 May 2014 14: 44
        No matter how cunning, but it has already been DONE!
      2. +1
        26 May 2014 14: 57
        Quote: polite people
        may they fool fat-eaters, that's a fact.

        Already and in full program in all poses and in all holes !!! Only a couple does not reach them !!!
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    8. +2
      26 May 2014 12: 57
      Quote: papont64
      I'm afraid that with compensation it will be the same as with loans from the USA and the EU.

      How is that? Does the West compensate Ukraine for the loss of Russian markets and take all the hamsters that are independent to the Mediterranean resorts in a taxi?
  3. +16
    26 May 2014 12: 23
    Armored personnel carriers - armored personnel carriers, and MOTOR-SICH ... will they put their engines on armored personnel carriers?
    1. +17
      26 May 2014 12: 32
      Quote: Rostovchanin
      Armored personnel carriers - armored personnel carriers, and MOTOR-SICH ... will they put their engines on armored personnel carriers?

      In June, a tender will be held for the supply of engines for armored personnel carriers, the main competitor of Motor Sich is the Yuzhnoye design bureau, and the main struggle will flare up between them. And what, ballistic armored personnel carriers still have no analogues in the world.
      1. +14
        26 May 2014 12: 42
        Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        In June, a tender will be held for the supply of engines for armored personnel carriers, the main competitor of Motor Sich is the Yuzhnoye design bureau, and the main struggle will flare up between them.

        Of course, I am not an expert, but when choosing a BTR4 with a gas turbine (from AN-225) or an BTR4 with a rocket engine (from Satan), I will modestly choose the Russian BTR-82. smile
        1. +1
          26 May 2014 14: 08
          What is a rocket? Answer: "a tank with a motor (by the way, someone else's)"
          The engine on the R-36 is Russian.
      2. +15
        26 May 2014 12: 44
        Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        Quote: Rostovchanin
        Armored personnel carriers - armored personnel carriers, and MOTOR-SICH ... will they put their engines on armored personnel carriers?

        In June, a tender will be held for the supply of engines for armored personnel carriers, the main competitor of Motor Sich is the Yuzhnoye design bureau, and the main struggle will flare up between them. And what, ballistic armored personnel carriers still have no analogues in the world.

        Will make a hybrid armored personnel carrier - prancing. smile
        1. +4
          26 May 2014 12: 52
          Quote: PENZYAC
          Will make a hybrid armored personnel carrier - prancing.

          "Who doesn't jump that m ... eh?" good
        2. +4
          26 May 2014 12: 58
          With intercontinental leaps
      3. +5
        26 May 2014 12: 48
        Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        The main competitor to Motor Sich is the Yuzhnoye design bureau, and the main struggle will flare up between them.

        YuzhMash already produced trolleybuses and trams, but the use of highly precise equipment for rocket production made the price of these products such that these projects quickly came to nothing. Of course, now they can attract tractor production capacities for the production of engines for armored personnel carriers, all the more so since it is very closely tied to the Belarusian MTZ, but again this is a very big cost for re-equipment - where is the money? Will Kolomoisky be generous? Well, let's see ...
    2. 0
      26 May 2014 20: 56
      Quote: Rostovchanin
      Armored personnel carriers - armored personnel carriers, and MOTOR-SICH ... will they put their engines on armored personnel carriers?

      What you can’t say in the heat of the moment.
      400 armored personnel carriers one, 200 armored personnel carriers another, whether there was a scandal with quality and returns? And then immediately flooded, order by order ??
      For Ukraine, at the moment, the order of 200 armored personnel carriers is fantastic, purely technically cannot be fulfilled, there are no longer those capacities, everything fell apart.
      BTR is now a piece of goods.
  4. +6
    26 May 2014 12: 23
    Compare ..ren with a finger wassat . full arctic fox
  5. +27
    26 May 2014 12: 24
    »Anatoly Hirschfeld,
    Rare Ukrainian today does not have such names wink
    And in the case, well, in Ukraine now everything will be in Chocolate from Parashenko. Enjoy a sweet life.
    1. +1
      26 May 2014 12: 46
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      »Anatoly Hirschfeld,
      Rare Ukrainian today does not have such names wink
      And in the case, well, in Ukraine now everything will be in Chocolate from Parashenko. Enjoy a sweet life.

      Solidol in chocolate? wassat
    2. +4
      26 May 2014 12: 58
      The real name of Petro Poroshenko is Valtsman.
    3. +1
      26 May 2014 13: 58
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      in Ukraine now everything will be in Chocolate from Parashenko. Enjoy a sweet life

      Petro Poroshenko supported the military operation conducted by the Ukrainian interim authorities in the east of the country. According to him, military operations should be continued, but should be conducted more efficiently. In addition, the special operation should be completed in a short time.
      Here is a chocolate from Para Shenko.
    4. 0
      26 May 2014 14: 48
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      from Paras

      You shouldn’t expect anything good from there.
  6. +9
    26 May 2014 12: 24
    the next divorce the armor will crack again there will be no gas no high-quality armor
  7. +5
    26 May 2014 12: 24
    For the West, Ukraine has already worked out material. It remains only to throw out, for there is nothing to take useful
    1. 0
      26 May 2014 12: 50
      for there is nothing to take

      but what about the main gas fellow
    2. +3
      26 May 2014 13: 00
      It is possible to take out chernozem, to produce shale gas, there are no owners in Ukraine
  8. +6
    26 May 2014 12: 24
    I didn’t know that we purchased such equipment from Ukraine. )
    Or will helicopter engines be placed on them?
  9. +8
    26 May 2014 12: 24
    West compensates Ukraine for the loss of Russian markets

    Well, yes, the geyrope there is drooling over the fat with garlic. Albanians, Turks, everyone will eat, if only Ukraine would flourish.
  10. +9
    26 May 2014 12: 25
    And the Moon will fly onto the Earth’s axis) You believe in Wang more than the politicians of Ukraine.
  11. +7
    26 May 2014 12: 25
    By selling armored personnel carriers it is IMPOSSIBLE to compensate for the refusal to cooperate with the Russian Federation ... all the more so since our country did not buy armored personnel carriers from Ukraine.
  12. +10
    26 May 2014 12: 25
    All this, of course, sounds beautiful, but I'm afraid that without Lugansk and Donetsk, it will be like the production of the RAFs in the Baltic, after leaving the USSR.
  13. +4
    26 May 2014 12: 27
    Banana calculation ...
    1. 0
      26 May 2014 13: 17
      mig31
      Banana calculation ...

      hi
      This is you too much!
      Bananas will go to Europe to European monkeys, for American experiments on the Pavlov system.
      And the peel from these bananas will be brought to Ukraine to create a joint venture .... And they will wrap bacon in this peel! The product will be "not stale"
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    3. macarque
      0
      26 May 2014 14: 00
      What do they want? aaaaaaaaaa understood. won zhirali in the geyropu ..... here hi and develop the right places ... but why ... with the rest of the fat will go. can't help but go.
  14. +6
    26 May 2014 12: 28
    That’s all, penny. More like moral support and a friendly pat on the shoulder, as mattresses like to do.
  15. +8
    26 May 2014 12: 29
    An official delegation from Myanmar will arrive at the plant

    Am I turning one globe inside out? Just judging by the name of this country, its purchase of two hundred armored personnel carriers looks more than stupid.
    1. 0
      26 May 2014 13: 34
      Recently, Barack Obamovich visited there. apparently gave the order to buy 200 armored personnel carriers from ukrov.
  16. +7
    26 May 2014 12: 29
    Sanitary machines - this is very important for dill! In addition to the dead and wounded, so much shit will have to be taken out!
  17. Rubmolot
    +3
    26 May 2014 12: 31
    Documentation of these BTR intellectual property of whom ??! winked
  18. +2
    26 May 2014 12: 33
    Really, really, did we buy kalikny beters from them?
  19. Andreitch
    +5
    26 May 2014 12: 34
    Lord comrades! What to discuss here ?! It's time, sadly it is, to forget about such a state of Ukraine! It is simply NOT! There is no legitimate president, government, or economy. Whatever you read on the Internet, essentially a desa. And no has become worse than the Moscow Komsomolets and ukro-media!
    I am not Wang. but for acceptable resuscitation of Ukraine it will take min. 1.5-2 years!
    And this is provided that this happens!
    Give GOD!
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    2. +1
      26 May 2014 12: 49
      It took Russia (with its resources about 20 years) or even more ....
    3. macarque
      0
      26 May 2014 14: 07
      But I’m only afraid of one thing ... they will again restore at the expense of Russia. Hysteria will subside, and undercover agreements will begin about discounts and restoration of the destroyed economy ... it’s better to help the southeast directly than to get involved in another help to the injured Nazis. sad
  20. +4
    26 May 2014 12: 37
    Myanmar is a strategic partner of the Americans, it will immediately help Ukraine to stand on its feet with its global orders.
  21. +5
    26 May 2014 12: 37
    West compensates Ukraine for the loss of Russian markets

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  23. +3
    26 May 2014 12: 41
    Quote: Rubmolot
    Documentation of these BTR intellectual property of whom ??! winked

    like Kharkov comrades are related to the BTR-3 - BTR-4 series, but the Novorossiysk colleagues can correct me
    1. +1
      26 May 2014 17: 18
      Quote: irk_tma
      like Kharkov comrades are related to the BTR-3 - BTR-4 series, but the Novorossiysk colleagues can correct me

      Kharkov Design Bureau Morozova ..
      Engine too
      BTR-4 is equipped with a 3TD two-stroke diesel engine manufactured by the branch of the Plant named after Malyshev and developed by HKBD.
      But suppliers from almost all of Ukraine ... there are Kiev and the Dnieper and others ...
      A small part of the electronics and matrix is ​​foreign ..
      Kharkov is generally aviation, and the armored tank capital of Ukraine ..
  24. Dbnfkmtdbx
    +1
    26 May 2014 12: 41
    Don’t lie to the West, it’s just like prostitutes will marry them and give up their promise as in the elections of the President, they promise everything you want, just proclaim, and even though the grass doesn’t grow feel
  25. +4
    26 May 2014 12: 42
    Will the Lozovo Forge and Mechanical Plant work for more than 200 enterprises that have been cooperated with Russia? This is somehow not very convincing.
  26. +2
    26 May 2014 12: 44
    where does Myanmar get money for 200 beters? pearls will pay?
    1. macarque
      0
      26 May 2014 14: 10
      Yes, do not care, the Chinese need to train new recruits to use RPGs. the children are still. let them learn.
  27. +2
    26 May 2014 12: 46
    Can hard workers earn lastly, and then what?
  28. +1
    26 May 2014 12: 47
    Well, V.V. everything was specifically explained to doubters - ship installations and engines for helicopters in the west are not needed by anyone, other standards, etc. Well, maybe they will shove it, if you're lucky, someone has the remains of armored personnel carriers ..... and then what? And then - Hello to the participants of the competition!
  29. Alex_sw4
    +3
    26 May 2014 12: 48
    America, under any pretext, is bringing in its equipment and weapons, and now it will suddenly buy everything from Ukraine. America! , palm out.
  30. +1
    26 May 2014 12: 48
    An armored personnel carrier is good, but engines, rockets, etc. Tractors do not need to do a lot of mind)))
    1. 0
      26 May 2014 14: 59
      To make a tractor, too, brains (not fat) are needed!
  31. +3
    26 May 2014 12: 50
    but interesting !!! bather instead of the harvester --- normal? enough tanning beds? =)
    1. +2
      26 May 2014 13: 11
      Quote: Just Cyrus
      but interesting !!! bather instead of the harvester --- normal? enough tanning beds? =)

      They wanted to refuel them with vegetable oil (such as biofuel), probably, only they sowed the seed ...
  32. +1
    26 May 2014 12: 50
    Sweeten the pill in the form of this order ... and then? What about other products? And then they will suck ...
  33. +3
    26 May 2014 12: 52
    Another bred
  34. +1
    26 May 2014 12: 52
    An official delegation from Myanmar will come to the plant, they have plans to purchase at least 200 armored personnel carriers.

    ... a / m / E / ry Myanmar to purchase "at least 200 armored personnel carriers or SAMI - Myanmar decided to make your modest contribution to the economy?
    1. +3
      26 May 2014 12: 58
      and his last name is from the word - PARASHA!
  35. +3
    26 May 2014 12: 55
    at such a rate of collapse of the Ukrainian economy, dill will soon be able to produce only humus.
    and in Europe and the USA, their producers are tearing each other's throats for contracts for military equipment and they certainly will not stand on ceremony with Dill. download and continue to be independent - you will be touring big tops in this country in circuses
    1. +2
      26 May 2014 13: 14
      Quote: awg75
      at such a rate of collapse of the Ukrainian economy, dill will soon be able to produce only humus.
      ...

      Kizyak under the Roshen brand will be produced for export, such as alternative fuel, renewable energy source. wassat
  36. Evgeniy1
    +4
    26 May 2014 12: 55
    It is strange that the US and Iran have reconciled, dill as an "orange product" of the United States will rearm Iran - the "best friend" of the United States ?! or maybe they will supply Iran with tanks, missiles and aircraft ?! - is this interesting? Which of the "normal" buyers NOW will conclude large contracts with dill, and even with an advance payment, then either the country will fall apart, or they will be stolen, the example of China. ALL THIS IS A BLUFF!
    1. +1
      26 May 2014 13: 07
      Everything is as usual, to confuse Bush alone with Iran, or what? smile
    2. +2
      26 May 2014 13: 22
      Quote: Eugene1
      It is strange that the United States and Iran are reconciled, dill as an "orange product" of the United States will rearm Iran - the "best friend" of the United States ?! ...

      So the United States has such an opinion about the combat properties and quality of these armored personnel carriers that it is possible to sell to Iran ...
  37. Arh
    0
    26 May 2014 12: 56
    The West has the wrong system)))
  38. +5
    26 May 2014 12: 56
    On May 25, elections to the European Parliament were also held in the Federal Republic of Germany. The Germans were unanimous with the patriots living in the south-east of the country, they boycotted the elections in their own way and left wishes on the ruling elite of the EU on the ballots.
    On the bulletins it is written: “The EU is the aides to fascists and Nazis! Colony of the USA! War heaters! Get out of the EU! Get out of NATO! Away EU Alliance with America! Off America! FOR Putin and for free Germany! ”
  39. +3
    26 May 2014 12: 56
    Compensate for the loss of the Russian market in Ukraine would help only the long-term annual purchase of NATO of the same armored vehicles laughing Then yes, "abroad will help them." A one-time action will not change the general position, except that for someone the pink glasses will stick even more to their eyes and then it will be even more difficult to tear them off. hi
    1. +1
      26 May 2014 13: 33
      "abroad will help them"

      Only the ass, washed and well oiled, will help ukram ... Lyashko understood this for a long time
  40. dzau
    +2
    26 May 2014 12: 57
    According to the deputy, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine are going to buy 200 armored personnel carriers, progress has also been outlined under the Iranian contract.

    Хр **** н Iran without the approval of Russia that they will buy.
  41. +4
    26 May 2014 13: 01
    РЎС ‡ Р ° СЃ РєР ° Рє РёР · вестно Сѓ РЅРёС ... есть три сортР° РЅРµРјС † ев:
    - "Russians" (from the former USSR)
    - РІРѕСЃС‚РѕС ‡ РЅС ‹Рµ (осты)
    - true western (vests) ...

    They themselves call each other "Ossie" and "Vessey". And their relationship to each other is clearly illustrated by an anecdote (I heard from an ethnic German, whose daughter has been living in Germany for 15 years): A policeman at one of the tram stops in Berlin sees a man who kisses every suitable tram. When asked why he does this, the person answers - because I don't know which one of them crushed the "vessey" ...
  42. +1
    26 May 2014 13: 03
    West compensates Ukraine for the loss of Russian markets - article title.
    Further, from which side is the West here?
  43. 0
    26 May 2014 13: 05
    haha, as if we were buying from Ukraine Beters winked
    1. 0
      26 May 2014 14: 18
      A small excursion into geography: if you go from Kyyuv to Zahid, then in the end there is a small probability of reaching Russia. And the probability that their armored personnel carriers will reach under their own power is P = 0!
      1. 0
        26 May 2014 15: 04
        Probability is approaching infinity.
  44. +3
    26 May 2014 13: 05
    The heading says that the West compensates, but in fact it is an internal order. But what about Western orders? Maybe I did not carefully read the article?
    1. +3
      26 May 2014 13: 08
      And this can also be seen as the "Azov battalion" attacked the militias in the Urzuf area "and further in the text it turns out that the brothers came to take control of the boat, allegedly belonging to the Yanukovych family.
    2. +2
      26 May 2014 13: 14
      Probably a misprint - "the West may someday compensate Ukraine for the loss of Russian markets" - had in mind. laughing
  45. +1
    26 May 2014 13: 07
    One of the Anglo-Saxon ways to throw.
  46. +8
    26 May 2014 13: 11
    He visited Bulgaria in 2000 at the Plovdiv exhibition, and they took us on an excursion to the factory in Staro-Zagora. So, this plant used to work for the Soviet defense industry, and for this it was built. And in 2000, he was already fulfilling orders for the British Navy (they cast and sharpened hull elements for radars, as we were told), made safe doors and MultLock locks under license ... The Bulgarians were very happy, they said - THERE WILL BE LIVING NOW! ... now we have lost almost all industry was destroyed by agriculture. Even bell peppers are bought from Holland. My friend was a high-class engineer, he became an entrepreneur (he made SCARI - electric grill for us), now he sucks without unbending. Ukram, along the way, faces the same fate, only in a tougher version. The world has become more dynamic, you will not be full of illusion.
    1. ivan.kormoran
      +2
      26 May 2014 13: 32
      I fully support the review, in Bulgaria only Kazanlak does something else with counterfeit AKM, the rest of the industrial centers are in ruin and "suction petrovich". And Nezalezhnaya wants to go further, along the path of Somalia ...
  47. +2
    26 May 2014 13: 16
    And where are the words that the West is compensating Ukraine for the rejection of Russian markets? laughing The West is not a charitable organization, as if this were not wanted in Kiev.
  48. Sergei 57
    0
    26 May 2014 13: 25
    Well, a passing APC to them in the back.
  49. 0
    26 May 2014 13: 27
    HA-HA-HA, that's the answer to the deputy
  50. sidprokaznik
    +4
    26 May 2014 13: 27
    They will not have any problems with the market. There will be no Ukrainian market, therefore, it will not have any problems with the market. After joining the EU, the West will smoothly kill Ukrainian industry, as was done in Eastern Europe and the Baltic countries. Understanding this, the West can promise a lot and loudly. Ukraine itself will not be able to switch to European standards, and therefore it will be itself to blame for the fact that it was not able to realize European market opportunities. The only markets in which it will remain are labor and raw materials.
    1. +1
      26 May 2014 15: 48
      Which EU? Are there fools sitting there? Even visa-free relations will not develop. They will only chat! :)
      Who needs the poor Nazis ?!
  51. +2
    26 May 2014 13: 30
    This is a fairy tale... this is a fairy tale.
    From the series... they lie and don’t blush.
  52. +1
    26 May 2014 13: 30
    They have already given contracts for participation in the Iraqi operation :)
  53. 0
    26 May 2014 13: 30
    Well, yes! They compensate....The market for Myanmar and other plankton is approaching the Russian market exactly in terms of consumption volumes! laughing Those. They have already hinted that dill have nothing to do “on an adult playground.” And not only in the sense of military equipment. The same will happen with all other products of the economy (if there is any left). “Lozovsky Mechanical Plant” As far as I remember, this is something like a pilot production in small series, located in an urban village. To me too - Engine of the Economy! laughing Ukropov is being scammed the whole story. Both in military and economic terms. They throw EVERYTHING! Even microscopic islands in the sea (offshore companies there). Turks, Crimean Tatars, Poles, Russian Tsars, Bolsheviks, Russia under Section 91, EU, Americans, basically EVERYONE. And what? Is there a tendency to change the vector? Yes, it's just LOCH - IT'S FATE. The current pimps will also throw in the towel. Well, if Ukrainians believe, then let them. Maybe it’s easier for them to live this way.
  54. +2
    26 May 2014 13: 37
    God! Well, why do Geyropa need armored personnel carriers, which Iran doesn’t even take?!
  55. +1
    26 May 2014 13: 38
    This is not even funny... the West came to get one-on-one benefits... and not for some kind of mythical compensation...
    Suffice it to recall the countries of the former Eastern bloc... no one was compensated for anything... domestic markets and national industry lost a lot.
  56. 0
    26 May 2014 13: 42
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    in Ukraine now everything will be in Parashenko's Chocolate. Enjoy the sweet life.


    Yes, God forbid... but it seems to me that everything will be ruined by a woman with an unsteady gait....
  57. +2
    26 May 2014 13: 48
    But when did the United States give anything to anyone? They would rather hang themselves than part with even one cent. They even began to promise less than before. In general, these conversations are meaningless. There is no such state as Ukraine anymore. It will split into two, or maybe more, parts.
    Some compare Ukraine with Chechnya. They have a lot in common with one exception. In Chechnya, bandits captured only a small part of Russia and wanted to secede to create their own bandit republic. Ukraine is all under the rule of bandits and normal people now want to secede so as not to live in a bandit country.
  58. tnship2
    +1
    26 May 2014 13: 50
    Where Russia went through the swamp of reforms on an oil inflatable raft, Ukraine is going to go on foot. Even “good” advisers from the EU and the States suggest the best way. I’m sincerely sorry for the people, half will drown on the way.
  59. +3
    26 May 2014 13: 51
    After reading the article, I felt a sudden sense of peace for the future of the fraternal
    Ukrainian people. If the West has appointed Myanmar as the main sponsor of the coming economic
    the rise of “Nezalezhnaya” means everything will be better than ever! I would like to recommend to the "true
    Ukrainian" Mr. Anatoly Girshfeld should not lose sight of other countries - Nauru, St. Kitts and
    Nevis, for example. Their economic potential is not inferior to that of Myanmar, and their desire to help Ukraine
    no less hot. :))
  60. 0
    26 May 2014 13: 52
    In short, the southeast was drained. Sorry guys!!!!!!!!
  61. macarque
    +1
    26 May 2014 13: 54
    –[i] supply of 420 armored personnel carriers minus 90 that are already available.

    Is this the marriage that was returned? is he considered too?
  62. 0
    26 May 2014 14: 08
    Ukrainian prostitutes and movers from Moscow will go to geyropa!!! They will provide jobs there!!! laughingUkraine, you are not welcome in the West, and your flesh will be torn to pieces and sacrificed to the West by their right-wing dogs! But you made your choice... hi
  63. +1
    26 May 2014 14: 16
    For some reason I didn’t quite understand who the author had in mind: he started with Iran and ended with Iraq. Maybe for the author it’s one and the same thing, just think it’s the same letter, the Arabs are the same, they all look alike, but nevertheless, as they say in Odessa, these are two big differences. Please study geography, apparently you meant Iraq, it is now under US rule and they can, to some extent, dictate to it what and where to buy. As for Iran (formerly called Persia, remember the school history of the ancient world? Oh, this is a modern education for me. Either your spaceships fall, or the countries get confused.), then this has been one of the most stubborn opponents of the United States for a long time, the last one one might say, an outpost of the free Arab world. It is unlikely that he will listen to the opinion of the United States and Europe. Well, not so long ago, everyone was talking about the contract that Ukraine had torn up; it supplied Iraq with defective BTR-4 armored personnel carriers. Why is Iraq so stupid as to step on the same rake again? This is usually the custom in our countries.
  64. +1
    26 May 2014 14: 32
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
    The main competitor to Motor Sich is the Yuzhnoye design bureau, and the main struggle will flare up between them.

    YuzhMash already produced trolleybuses and trams, but the use of highly precise equipment for rocket production made the price of these products such that these projects quickly came to nothing. Of course, now they can attract tractor production capacities for the production of engines for armored personnel carriers, all the more so since it is very closely tied to the Belarusian MTZ, but again this is a very big cost for re-equipment - where is the money? Will Kolomoisky be generous? Well, let's see ...


    yes, especially the trolleybuses that Belarus established production in Square, transferring to them all the technical characteristics and they were left with the fuck...they just threw the Belarusians.
  65. Tolerast
    +2
    26 May 2014 14: 41
    Ha, they made me laugh. Compensate... tongue Maximum - they will not let you die of hunger. They will provide a dark, distant corner in a couple of second-rate markets. Or maybe Matrasia herself will buy a couple of hundred Ukrainian armored personnel carriers for the needs of the Afghan police. But even this is hard to believe. They would rather sell their written-off rubbish there themselves. This whole mess in the ruins was not started to support the Ukrainian industry and the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. Weak competitors are trampled underfoot everywhere. So, I think they will still die of hunger. If Russia does not help with orders wassat
    1. +1
      26 May 2014 17: 26
      Quote: Tolerast
      If Russia does not help with wassat orders

      In terms of tanks and armored vehicles, we are competitors. The Russian Federation has never ordered anything from Kharkov because UVZ has been a competitor to KhBTZ since Soviet times.
      So the entire Kharkov potential is aimed at any markets but not the Russian Federation.
      And after the Pakistani contract, the Ukrainians tried to make a closed cycle of domestic production (the story with cannon barrels did not sell to the Russian Federation)
      The Russian market is very important for many Ukrainian enterprises (except for armored vehicles), but it is just as unreliable and problematic as Ukraine is problematic for the Russian Federation... we stand together here. I’m not going to find out who started it first and who is to blame --- because both are to blame.
      1. Tolerast
        +1
        26 May 2014 19: 23
        Tanks, yes. It's clear here. I'm talking about the whole picture. What should, for example, Antonov Design Bureau, Yuzhmash and Motor Sich do? RIP.
      2. Tolerast
        0
        27 May 2014 00: 49
        Who gave you downvotes for a good, adequate answer and why? They won’t even let you argue, barmalei. Keep the liberal plus.
  66. 0
    26 May 2014 14: 44
    For whom is war, but for the Semitic Tolik Girshfeld, a profit......
    Although the workers have been pawed for a month now... that’s how the Krainians have it, but they don’t have the intelligence to take power in Lozovaya and become independent.
  67. 0
    26 May 2014 14: 52
    West compensates Ukraine for the loss of Russian markets
    I did not see in the article a single example of compensation of Russian markets by the WEST to Ukraine. The topic has not been disclosed.
  68. Vlad Gore
    +1
    26 May 2014 14: 55
    The West is hanging noodles on the ears of Svidomo. And they still succeed. The zombie brain of Svidomite takes promises at face value. lol
  69. +1
    26 May 2014 15: 18
    If the West really wanted to help Ukraine, it would have allocated the necessary amount of money long ago and would not have brought the situation to a crisis. But the whole point is that the West needs Ukraine for profit, and not for maintenance costs.
  70. +1
    26 May 2014 15: 35
    Novorossia needs the defense industry, so the Nazis need to squeeze it out!
  71. 0
    26 May 2014 15: 40
    compensates again in the form of insignificant guarantees?)
  72. 0
    26 May 2014 15: 47
    Truly: Ostap Bender is ALIVE! "The West will help us"! :)

    Not according to the Iranian contract, but according to the Iraqi one!

    Dreaming is not harmful, as they say.
  73. +1
    26 May 2014 15: 57
    The West will help Ukraine get rid of its people and its natural resources. Well, the chocolate baron will get more chocolate. soldier
  74. 0
    26 May 2014 16: 07
    A fairy tale for believers! That's it - a happy tomorrow! Apparently not enough armored personnel carriers were returned to them! It seems to me that one engine per ship costs more than a hundred armored personnel carriers. And helicopter and aircraft engines also cost dozens of armored personnel carriers. They will not be able to compensate for what is not refundable.
  75. +1
    26 May 2014 16: 10
    You must first pay for gas, otherwise you will have to invent coal welding!!! recourse
  76. Everest2014
    0
    26 May 2014 16: 11
    Has the West already compensated for the unpurchased BTR-4s and Oplot tanks that they almost bought under its pressure? No, you didn’t compensate? Strange.
    1. 0
      26 May 2014 17: 28
      Quote: everest2014
      tanks "Oplot"

      This is a Thai contract. Oplot won the tender. And under pressure, there was an armored personnel carrier 4 from Iraq and the United States.
  77. Bormental
    0
    26 May 2014 16: 11
    Blackjack and whores.
  78. +2
    26 May 2014 16: 17
    No one there will compensate for anything, firstly, why do they need competitors, and who needs outdated and, as a rule))))) defective Ukrainian equipment - this is secondly. Europe has enough of its own manufacturers and no one there needs their helicopter engines or parts for strategic missiles, which only we have in service. Besides, in the West no one will do anything for free. And no matter what they say, Russia was the main sales market for the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, and without us they would be a khan no matter how you look at it.
  79. +1
    26 May 2014 16: 30
    Who cares, did they spend sowing time or will they eat armored personnel carriers?
  80. 0
    26 May 2014 16: 34
    Who cares, did they spend sowing time or will they eat armored personnel carriers?
    1. 0
      26 May 2014 17: 31
      Quote: Thomas Unbeliever
      Who cares, did they spend sowing time or will they eat armored personnel carriers?

      the fields in the south (I see it here with my own eyes, but I think so throughout the country) are already heading...
      well, there are already cherries and strawberries have arrived...
      In general, the “breadwinners” of the Ukrainian agro-industrial complex are Vinnitsa and Poltava (regions) - everything is always calm there and they plow for themselves. Yes - 30% fuel cost increases the cost of work. But they continue.
      Where did you get the idea that 25% of the world's black soil will go hungry? We still can’t even sell/eat last year’s supplies....
  81. 0
    26 May 2014 16: 53
    But what about the “Western” compensation for debt for gas and the loss of Crimea? A? laughing And what kind of compensation is this with “promises”? In general, continuous questions.
  82. 0
    26 May 2014 17: 08
    And their own producers will say “Thank you” for reducing production...
  83. Evgtan
    +2
    26 May 2014 17: 13
    When bitches of children come to power, the dog’s life begins for everyone.
  84. 0
    26 May 2014 17: 14
    The plant will not be able to produce anything unless they start paying for Russian gas.
    An attempt to reassure people by telling them lies about orders. But many will believe it!
  85. 0
    26 May 2014 17: 14
    Like that. Everything will turn into gold -.....samovar. Wait.....
    Just for fun
  86. +2
    26 May 2014 17: 34
    A muddy article from the category of a grandma said... Until the paper is shown, such messages are worthless.
    But the comments...
    everyone remembered...
    In fact, the West said that there would be no compensation because Ukraine needs the Russian market. The fact that they partially opened up the possibility of the EU market is the whole compensation. Our problems are our problems. When has anyone ever helped us? All by yourself...
    And from such thoughts, it seems to the West that the agro-industrial complex is more profitable here than industry. Because the media is actively discussing that the industry needs to be curtailed - and this idea is being launched into the masses - old ineffective ones, donor factories... This is all as old as the hills.
    They want to return the granary (here they are actively trying to promote those crops that the main Western producers cannot handle - rapeseed, for example, sunflower..)
    And finally, we no longer know what to do with agricultural products. The fact is that without subsidies it is not competitive with the EU (where subsidies are large) except in the form of raw materials. Therefore, there is an urgent need to transfer from the European theater to the Asian one. There are many consumers there, and the price of food is ever increasing.
    Here I would advise our people to work with China, Indonesia, India in terms of finding markets for the agricultural sector. And the EU is like that... they can say it... but they can’t do it.
  87. +1
    26 May 2014 18: 59
    The West promises Ukraine that maybe someday it is possible that it will think about how Ukraine will try not to starve to death from its own stupidity - this is the true meaning of Western promises
  88. Everest2014
    +1
    26 May 2014 19: 22
    Quote: Cristall
    Where did you get the idea that 25% of the world's black soil will go hungry? We still can’t even sell/eat last year’s supplies....


    There is an expression: “Chickens are counted in the fall.”
  89. -2
    26 May 2014 20: 21
    Yes, I know, but this is related to our industry (especially the chemical industry)..
    I just want to immediately dispel the fog about “All of Ukraine has abandoned the sowing season...” as if everyone had given up once and for all, the fields are covered in weeds... It may well be that this is the case somewhere. But the main Plowmen have already sowed everything and now it’s just heat and rain... If you’re lucky, the harvest will be even better than in the past. Another thing is why do we need so much? The ports are still grinding the past...consumers are needed - but there were also good harvests in the world... Where to find that market? Only in Asia.
    By the way, about “separatism” in Odessa.
    The authorities at least began to explain things a little more. Although we are all waiting for understanding and action, and not promises that our aspirations will be fulfilled.
    http://s.citysites.ua/s/4/section/newsInText/upload/images/news/intext/536/e379a
    a94ba/c6db7be69ab89ff9b8c827c8da9b18b3.jpg
    And I’m adding a small comment specifically to understand what opinions there are (quite balanced and economically reasoned)
    For those who think that joining Russia is a good thing. For some reason, everyone thinks that this will not affect him personally, that it is enough to change the flags and the hryvnia to the ruble, and everything else will remain as it was. If! Odessa is not even Crimea; the economy of Odessa is built on a completely different principle. And when it collapses miserably, it won’t seem like enough to anyone. According to all international laws, Odessa will be an unrecognized and occupied territory. Do not hope that it is enough to become part of Russia - the world also needs to recognize this entry. But the example of Crimea shows that this will not happen. So, from this moment of joining Russia, we will live by one law - Odessa is an unrecognized territory. What does this mean for Odessa? What does this mean for us, its inhabitants? Firstly, according to international laws, landing of air transport on unrecognized and occupied territories is prohibited. Air communication will only be possible with Russia. And no, Aeroflot or other normal airlines will not fly, they will be prohibited from doing so. A special airline will be created in Russia, especially for such flights; the planes of this airline will not be able to network in any other normal country. And such planes will fly only to Russia, Abkhazia and Ossetia. Turkish companies have already canceled flights to Crimea. Do not believe those who claim that flights are on the schedule; look at the flights, which are all marked with the word “cancelled”. Secondly, the ports will immediately lose their international status. There are no international ports in unrecognized and occupied territories - this is not a country at all, this is a territory without laws. Sukhumi also thought that they would now have their own port. There is a port, but apart from pirates and occasionally Russian ships, no one goes there. Will Odessa survive in this situation? Without foreign cargo arriving by sea, without terminals? Tell me, will Russian ships come? How many? How much power will they need? Why do they need huge purely domestic, not international ports, for what purpose? And won't all this end with a reduction of port workers by two-thirds?
  90. -2
    26 May 2014 20: 23
    Continuation of the comment

    And then the rest will find themselves on the street, because after Russia, Tajik migrant workers will flock to us in a crowd, ready to work for pennies. Odessa is a city of sailors. And our sailors mainly work on foreign ships. They receive salaries in dollars/euros and bring them to our city. What will happen to the Ukrainian sailor’s passport? Do you think foreign companies will take risks by hiring residents of an unknown country? But there are also direct prohibitions on hiring. And they can easily touch us. Seafarer hiring offices operate under licenses. What will happen to these licenses? Will Russians with registration in Voronezh receive it? Will sailors be issued passports with registration in Magadan? What's the point? Russia has enough of its own sailors. 7th kilometer. The largest wholesale market in the country. Of course, it is possible to arrange the supply of goods through Russia. This will make it even more expensive, but it is possible. But who will come for this product? Residents of Russia? For what? And How? By plane? China is closer to them and therefore cheaper. Donetsk, Lugansk Crimea and Kherson? And it's all? Already, sales have fallen many times - central and western Ukraine is not coming to us. Right! If you run around the city with Russian flags and shout Bandera, it’s strange to expect that these same Bandera will come to us for goods. Tourism. You have already heard what Ukrainian residents say about trips to Crimea. Russians may go, but once will be enough to decide that Turkey is better and cheaper. Does Odessa want to repeat the Crimean experience and courageously give up tourism for the sake of Russian citizenship? Or do you think that there are enough Russians for everyone? Neither Europeans nor Ukrainians, nor Belarusians will come to the unrecognized territory - they are directly prohibited. And you and I won’t go anywhere else, because... that’s right! Residents of unrecognized territories are not given visas. Goodbye Spain, goodbye Türkiye. Hello, Crimea.
    There is also something about Tajiks, Chechens and others... I didn’t include it. Only the part that can directly influence.
    So there will be so many economic obstacles that the Russian Federation will not be able to stand helping every rebellious region, even if it is not subsidized within Ukraine (but it will become so if it is in exile)
  91. -1
    26 May 2014 20: 30
    By the way, I came across an article explaining such posters.
    Odessa was given five points on the separatism scale
    During the period from April 18 to 22, the “Alpha” section (coordinators of the “Information Resistance” group) monitored the situation in the south-eastern regions of Ukraine.
    In the Kharkov, Lugansk, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson regions, the potential and prospects of the extremist (separatist) movement were studied.
    The threat of extremism by region is assessed on a 10-point scale (0 points – there is no threat, 10 points – the region is controlled by extremists).
    Assessment of the threat of extremism in Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson regions:
    Odessa region – 5 points;
    Nikolaev region – 3 points;
    Kherson region – 3 points.
    “In the south of Ukraine, the center of instability is Odessa. In the city itself, according to our estimates, pro-Russian extremist forces do not have the potential necessary to seriously “rock” the situation and carry out the actions necessary to withdraw the Odessa region from Ukraine.
    However, there is a fairly significant part of the population that is capable of taking part in pro-Russian actions if they are initiated and supported from outside. These could be the infiltration into the region of Russian sabotage groups of the GRU of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces from Transnistria, the arrival of groups of extremists from Donbass and Crimea, a sharp increase in funding for Odessa pro-Russian forces and the activation of the network of the FSB of the Russian Federation to recruit local citizens for their participation in separatist actions.
    Thus, local pro-Russian forces are able to initiate the process of destabilizing the situation in the South only with strong outside support,” says a brief report on the situation in the Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson regions.
    Copied from the site http://odessa-life.od.ua
    From which we can conclude that Odessa is the most “dissatisfied” city in the south of Ukraine. A sort of semi-rebellious, potentially rebellious...
    1. Tolerast
      0
      27 May 2014 00: 55
      The map outlines the situation quite clearly. They could have given Lugansk a little more. Kharkov is calm and not rushing anywhere, Odessa is scared. I’m generally silent about other areas. I’m not sure, however, of the absolute loyalty of Transcarpathia. But the people there are quiet and Bandera’s Lviv is nearby.
  92. +6
    26 May 2014 21: 03
    According to the deputy, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine are going to purchase 200 armored personnel carriers
    Let them better collect money for the purchase of hearses
  93. +1
    26 May 2014 21: 47
    I didn't understand this word formation:
    There has also been progress on the Iranian contract. “Under this contract, work will continue in full - the supply of 420 armored personnel carriers minus 90 that are already available. An official delegation from Myanmar will come to the plant; they plan to purchase at least 200 armored personnel carriers.

    How to unite Myanmar, Iran and giant purchases?
    If we remember that Iraq abandoned the “famous” armored personnel carriers and they were handed over to the DPR army to be torn to pieces?
    What does Iran have to do with it? And Burma (Myanmar)?
    Although, let them be riveted using EU-US loans, then Igor Ivanovich and the guys will turn them into scrap metal)))
  94. +1
    27 May 2014 01: 38
    wait... wait... maybe the Ukrainian calf will eat the Russian wolf!!!
  95. +1
    27 May 2014 06: 31
    Ukrainian market? sounds very funny, in my opinion. If Russia and the Ukrainians stop all industrial ties, after a while a lot of scrap metal will be generated there from former enterprises. Remember how the Union was destroyed, now the same thing awaits Ukrov, in miniature. Because there was no law there, and there is no one.