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Coalition-SV and Armata will take part in the Victory Parade 2015

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In the parade dedicated to the 70 anniversary of the Great Victory, the latest self-propelled artillery complex can pass on the Red Square of the Russian capital. Reports about it "Messenger of Mordovia".


Coalition-SV and Armata will take part in the Victory Parade 2015


This complex has a name - self-propelled howitzer "Coalition-SV". According to the original plans, the "Coalition SV" should have two trunks.



But after numerous tests of prototypes, the designers decided not to go on such a bold experiment and returned to work on a single-barrel modification of the self-propelled artillery installation.

About 4 years ago, the project was on the verge of collapsing, as then Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said that the main military department was refusing to finance the development because of its low potential. I wrote about this in due time Kommersant. As a result, it turned out that the project is still very promising, unlike the attempt by Mr. Serdyukov himself to bury him as Minister of Defense.

If the self-propelled howitzer of the new generation will be commissioned in the near future, Russia will become the sole leader in the production of high-tech self-propelled guns, whose role remains significant in various military conflicts. Experts believe that there are many willing foreign countries to purchase this type of equipment.

Uralvagonzavod promises to complete work on Armata and Coalition-SV by March of next year. This was announced by Vyacheslav Khalitov, deputy general director of Uralvagonzavod, at an exhibition in KADEX-2014 in Astana ITAR-TASS:

In a short time, a lot of promising products "Armata" and "Coalition-SV" is being organized and conducted to participate in the anniversary Victory Parade 2015 of the year, the readiness of which should be ensured already in March 2015 of the year.
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  1. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 23 May 2014 18: 02
    +35
    The parade is a parade ... But there is a much more urgent question - when and in what volume (quantity) will they enter the troops? .. There is one more, and also important - how will the line personnel be retrained for new equipment ? ..
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 23 May 2014 18: 04
      +22
      quote-In the parade dedicated to the 70 anniversary of the Great Victory, on the Red Square of the Russian capital can pass the latest self-propelled artillery complex. It is reported by the "Messenger of Mordovia."end of quote


      Here is the word can embarrassed from the quote. If it does not pass, suspend the culprits for a certain place. This is a clue.
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 23 May 2014 18: 09
        +19
        Quote: Apollon
        Here the word may be embarrassing from the quote. If it doesn’t work, suspend the culprits for a certain place. This is a hint

        Given our realities, this is just a good wish ... And to make it clearer - so far I have not seen a single one suspended from "certain places" because of the repeated accidents of "Protons" ... But you really need to hang it. But only not for the "place", but for the neck ...
        1. SAG
          SAG 23 May 2014 22: 33
          +1
          Ale sha !!! protons fall at a sign from above ... they are reinsured over a hill above the face value, they exhaust Pindostan and count the profits, everything else is for the press. There are no human victims, the iron burns.
      2. Alex 241
        Alex 241 23 May 2014 18: 25
        +19
        Quote: Apollon
        It is reported by the "Bulletin of Mordovia"

        Like this edition. A very informed source. More than once I came across it.
      3. Alexandr73
        Alexandr73 23 May 2014 19: 11
        +7
        I live in Mordovia, Saransk. , The first time I hear about such a publication. Maybe there is such a publication, but it is probably better to remain silent about its fame (and where they get super information).
        1. rolik
          rolik 23 May 2014 20: 39
          +6
          Quote: Alexandr73
          , The first time I hear about such a publication.

          There is such a publication, sometimes in net you go out to it. But this is probably an online publication, not on paper.
      4. Blondy
        Blondy 23 May 2014 22: 46
        +1
        Whom, to a journalist from Vestnik Mordovii?
    2. armageddon
      armageddon 23 May 2014 18: 34
      +3
      Hmm ... It would be something ... retrain !!! Or forgot about the contractors?
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    4. pv1005
      pv1005 23 May 2014 19: 00
      +5
      A much more topical question: WILL THEY BE TAKEN BY THIS TIME FOR WEAPON ???
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 23 May 2014 19: 21
        +1
        I wonder what is wrong? Do you have to ride or checkers?
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    6. yushch
      yushch 23 May 2014 20: 41
      +6
      At any parade in the USSR, the latest developments-tradition were always demonstrated, and our "probable friends" always knew that all these new items were then supplied to the troops. I hope this tradition will continue.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 23 May 2014 20: 54
        +11
        At any parade in the USSR, the latest developments-tradition were always demonstrated, and our "probable friends" always knew that all these new items were then supplied to the troops.

        A bit wrong. Our Western friends suddenly found out about the news on the parade which ... have long been in the troops in hundreds of units!
        1. Registrar
          Registrar 25 May 2014 12: 24
          0
          That's right!
          As with the T-34 in 1941
      2. Blondy
        Blondy 23 May 2014 22: 49
        +4
        At any parade in the USSR, the latest developments have always been demonstrated and even dummies.
    7. sokrat7
      sokrat7 24 May 2014 22: 35
      +1
      What stupid questions on the forum? Do you really think that these issues are not worked out? Or this must be reported in the press. Nonsense.
    8. Curaki
      Curaki 25 May 2014 17: 37
      -6
      until you come up with a scheme how to steal the dough no one will buy.
      1. LaGlobal
        LaGlobal 26 May 2014 10: 36
        0
        Quote: Curaki
        until you come up with a scheme how to steal the dough no one will buy.


        - fortunately, these times have passed in our defense industry.
    9. smith7
      smith7 26 May 2014 16: 45
      0
      And there is question number one - what for is such a constructive? fool We want to replace the MLRS? Cheaper? Does it shoot farther and more accurately? More payload to target brings? Easier to operate? In general - no ... Alas, but spending taxpayers' money on such a "Titanic" is not worth it. "Coalition" will appear at the parade, but the other is likely. I will cease to understand our customers if it is like in the picture.
  2. kocclissi
    kocclissi 23 May 2014 18: 03
    +3
    Krasava!)))
    1. Rblipetsk
      Rblipetsk 23 May 2014 19: 41
      +38
      Quote: kocclissi
      Krasava!)))

      in fact she is. honestly wink
      1. Srgsoap
        Srgsoap 23 May 2014 19: 48
        +65
        No like that! wassat
        1. Rblipetsk
          Rblipetsk 23 May 2014 19: 57
          +7
          Quote: SrgSoap
          No like that

          laughing laughing laughing
      2. Blondy
        Blondy 23 May 2014 22: 54
        +3
        Just for the victory parade.
  3. Morgan
    Morgan 23 May 2014 18: 03
    +9
    How many semi-official information about "Armata" that I already doubt that it exists at all ... If they show it at the parade, doubts will disappear.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 23 May 2014 18: 27
      +12
      I'm afraid, at best, we will see the running gears at the parade, and the towers are not native, but false towers and in the hanging, like the "Black Eagle".
      Although, in principle, let the parade be at least that way, if only it would be done naturally and efficiently for the troops, not being driven to surrender to certain dates!
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 23 May 2014 21: 58
        0
        Quote: Starover_Z
        if only they would do it naturally and efficiently for the troops, not being driven to surrender to certain dates!

        When I read about something that should be ready By (date, holiday, anniversary or congress) - vague doubts immediately begin to prevail.
  4. rrrd
    rrrd 23 May 2014 18: 04
    +1
    Inters ...
  5. rozowik
    rozowik 23 May 2014 18: 04
    +11
    Oh, it’s a pity that I won’t see the first frames of Armata, I’ll be in the army crying
    1. DerSamowar
      DerSamowar 23 May 2014 18: 05
      +13
      Don’t be sad, brother. You are not alone;)
      God willing - the operator-gunner or mechanic will be.
      1. Blondy
        Blondy 23 May 2014 22: 59
        -2
        And how will you tear her and have sex in various poses.
        1. DerSamowar
          DerSamowar 24 May 2014 14: 45
          +4
          There is nothing wrong with that. Technique loves cleanliness.
    2. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 23 May 2014 19: 28
      +4
      Quote: rozowik
      Oh, it’s a pity that I won’t see the first frames of Armata, I’ll be in the army crying

      God grant you the best experience of the service! A technique, if good, and after that looks good.
    3. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 26 May 2014 18: 32
      0
      Quote: rozowik
      Oh, it’s a pity that I won’t see the first frames of Armata, I’ll be in the army ...

      Is not a fact. Perhaps you will not see her at the parade, but there is a chance on this Armata to ride in the Army.
  6. DerSamowar
    DerSamowar 23 May 2014 18: 04
    +7
    So, well, firstly, paired large-caliber guns - this is already impressive!
    I hope she will take part in the victorious battles for the liberation of Kiev for the Russian Federation!

    PS Wait, citizens! They will say that this is an inflatable tank.
  7. mrDimkaP
    mrDimkaP 23 May 2014 18: 05
    +1
    According to the wangai about her appearance: she will be almost the same as Msta-s. There will be one trunk, and accordingly, a new tower (at least radically new) will not be needed and the chassis will fit.
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 23 May 2014 18: 25
      +11
      The general concept of tanks has not changed since the 20s of the last century. Materials, power plant, sighting equipment and related units are changed. The concept itself is unchanged. Competition of armor and guns. You can expect something fundamentally new only in improving the electronic component of control in the direction of robotization. flesh to the complete abandonment of the living crew. Tank robots, so to speak. Atarmata will be simply better than Western models and that's it. For a while.
      1. Oml
        Oml 23 May 2014 19: 09
        +7
        And what did you want him to fly into space? In this case, the concept of firearms has not changed since the 14th century and everything is relevant. And the changes are significant in all aspects.
      2. biznaw
        biznaw 23 May 2014 19: 13
        +6
        Yeah, but the real infantry will immobilize robots by firing an electromagnetic pulse from an RPG.
      3. alexpro66
        alexpro66 23 May 2014 20: 10
        +4
        If the collapse of the Russian Federation like the USSR does not occur, it will not be the best "for some" time, but possibly for the entire period of its military operation .. The modernization stock is such that it may, as a result, look over time as different from each other Tu-22 and Tu -22M3))) SO DON'T BE A PESSIMIST))
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        2. dm98
          dm98 24 May 2014 19: 05
          0
          alexpro66
          You have not been heard for a long time!
          Is there any news on armature?
        3. jayich
          jayich 26 May 2014 10: 43
          0
          TU-22M3, the only way the Tupolev Design Bureau managed to shove a new plane into the troops. The same t-90 is t-72b№.
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    2. biznaw
      biznaw 23 May 2014 19: 10
      -6
      The coalition will be renamed on the first day to the Shed, if it goes with this tower, or rather, not a tower but a shed. Something went wrong with the design school. Although perhaps this is only a test version of the nodes sheathed by plywood
      1. sir.jonn
        sir.jonn 23 May 2014 19: 37
        +5
        Quote: biznaw
        The coalition will be renamed on the first day to the Shed, if it goes with this tower, or rather, not a tower but a shed. Something went wrong with the design school. Although perhaps this is only a test version of the nodes sheathed by plywood

        How then to call this super duper perversion?
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 23 May 2014 20: 22
          +6
          How then to call this super duper perversion?

          Crossover with a gun. For the roads of Europe, that’s it. wink
          1. sir.jonn
            sir.jonn 23 May 2014 20: 46
            +4
            Quote: Wedmak
            How then to call this super duper perversion?

            Crossover with a gun. For the roads of Europe, that’s it. wink

            Can not argue. hi
          2. tehnoluks
            tehnoluks 24 May 2014 00: 33
            0
            Not ... they prepared for the Dakar rally, scare the natives so they don't get under the wheels!))
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 23 May 2014 22: 08
          +2
          Quote: sir.jonn
          How then to call this super duper perversion?

          This is a self-propelled automatic 155 mm howitzer FH77 BW L52 Archer ("Archer").
          The FH77 BW L52 self-loading howitzer is equipped with a 155 mm caliber barrel of 52 L52 caliber. The firing range when using conventional HEER 40 shells is up to 40 km, Bonus shells are 35 km, when using high-precision lightweight M982 Excalibur shells with a bottom gas generator, up to 60 km. In the latter case, the accuracy of firing does not depend on range and amounts to units of meters.
          1. bevatec
            bevatec 25 May 2014 10: 03
            -1
            Rather a pissing dachshund, or rather a "pissing dachshund".
        3. Fanat1984
          Fanat1984 24 May 2014 03: 09
          +2
          And this is the Swedish self-propelled howitzer gun, by the way, in the absence of a GPS signal, it cannot shoot, with the exception of direct fire almost at point blank range !!! lol
      2. Billy Bones
        Billy Bones 24 May 2014 14: 47
        0
        Quote: biznaw
        The coalition will be renamed on the first day to the Shed, if it goes with this tower, or rather, not a tower but a shed. Something went wrong with the design school. Although perhaps this is only a test version of the nodes sheathed by plywood


        I completely agree. The chassis is too small for such a conning tower. A self-propelled gun looks like something assembled from two different cars in a handicraft workshop. I still think that weapons, in addition to everything, should be beautiful.
  8. Giant thought
    Giant thought 23 May 2014 18: 05
    +5
    The army is looking forward to "Armata" and "Coalition-SV". All advanced weapons must be present in our army so that the enemies know that they will get in the teeth if they come to us.
  9. Gagarin
    Gagarin 23 May 2014 18: 06
    +9
    Good news.
    But to say that Russia will become the sole leader in the production of high-tech self-propelled guns is an exaggeration.
    But what about the German PzH-2000?
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 23 May 2014 18: 35
      +40

      Something like this... smile
      1. Gloria45
        Gloria45 23 May 2014 18: 55
        +21
        Will this person take part in the 2015 parade?
        Somehow I look at the non-current Ksedz Velikorimsky, who bargained for children before his appointment, and I think that our task is to save, show and increase our victories.
        1. Gloria45
          Gloria45 23 May 2014 19: 29
          +6
          How I would like to see this priest, bow to the ground and ask for blessings ... this is sincere
      2. ty60
        ty60 23 May 2014 19: 36
        +2
        another child prodigy. like fu-35 for mattresses.
      3. rolik
        rolik 23 May 2014 20: 50
        +7
        Quote: engineer74
        Something like this...

        Damn, but the Negro is not charging in the kit for this fusee ((((((He probably only comes in mattress abrashas as standard equipment, in German - an option))))))))
      4. Fanat1984
        Fanat1984 24 May 2014 03: 23
        +2
        And this x ... nn without GPS can take aim? And what kind of loading mechanism is it, we had a t-64 in 1959 and even more advanced life !!! And 55 tons means that it can’t be practically used in Russia! lol
      5. sssss018
        sssss018 25 May 2014 21: 16
        0
        Msta-C is not worse!
  10. Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 23 May 2014 18: 12
    +3
    YES damn, even at the parade, I’ll soon hear about ten years (well, without a couple of years) Armata! Armata !! Armata !!! And de actually?
  11. q_556
    q_556 23 May 2014 18: 12
    +17
    The coalition is impressive.
    And Armata, apparently, will look like this:
    1. Nikita_Pilot
      Nikita_Pilot 23 May 2014 18: 29
      +9
      Well ... I honestly would like it to look like that. If it looks like that, then I will gobble up a piece of paper. But I dug up in other sources that it will have one 152 mm barrel and a 30-shot drum type automatic loader .Also uninhabited tower, and this is the most important thing.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 23 May 2014 20: 09
        +7
        But I dug up in other sources that she would have one 152 mm barrel and a drum-type automatic loader for 30 shots. It’s also an uninhabited tower, and this is the most important thing.

        Are you talking about the tank?
        During the discussion and some conversations, there is information that there will still be 125 mm - it is not worth throwing millions of ready-made shells. Larger caliber guns, 130mm - it will be very possible as an alternative, 152mm - for self-propelled guns based on Almaty (do not forget that this is only a platform.)
        And do not even dream about TWO trunks. Especially in the form as in the picture - the tower will simply be deployed from recoil and broken.
        1. Nikita_Pilot
          Nikita_Pilot 25 May 2014 21: 23
          +1
          As it is possible in the pictures, it would not be completely underestimated for our designers since our designers know how to surprise. Moreover, there is a way to avoid the tower being torn off even from two barrels, caliber up to 130 mm. For example, the same pistons since the guns are not connected to each other it’s possible to shoot with a different one or reverse gas flow in this case, the return can be almost zero by tank standards, just the tower with moving parts in the tower’s body will certainly look like in fantastic computer games, but still interesting. Yes and in the end ... eh ... you can't dream ends bully ?
    2. zadotov
      zadotov 23 May 2014 19: 21
      +2
      only if the barrels are independent, then you also need a separate gunner's place for ammunition and a lot of things, in short in a fast-moving modern battle, a waste of resources if a tank is knocked out, but kaolitsiya with computer calculation of the trajectory is very even possible. At a great distance, it can launch 2 shells for one goal that will fall at one time, the installation will have time to change its position before retaliatory strike, and maybe four. IMHO
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    3. ty60
      ty60 23 May 2014 19: 41
      +3
      Who saw her? As an option, I do not exclude it.
    4. Cherdak
      Cherdak 24 May 2014 01: 04
      +9
      Quote: q_556
      And Armata, apparently, will look like this

      Significantly cooler laughing
      1. Assistant
        Assistant 26 May 2014 01: 17
        +1
        Or maybe like that ...

  12. Arh
    Arh 23 May 2014 18: 17
    0
    I would like to see these prototypes in action !!!)))
  13. Nelepost
    Nelepost 23 May 2014 18: 19
    +10
    Are news published here or rumors ???
    What the fuck should I write this bullshit on? Let’s post then the news that it’s POSSIBLE to fly flying saucers after the fighters on the May 9 parade ...
  14. St.S.S.
    St.S.S. 23 May 2014 18: 25
    +2
    Oo Che plates fly when? Where? (Who did not understand, this is humor)
  15. combat66
    combat66 23 May 2014 18: 27
    +7
    Quote: Nelepost
    Let’s post then the news that it’s POSSIBLE to fly flying saucers after the fighters on the May 9 parade ...

    And if you really fly ?! Here you are one friend can’t get off with one bottle! wink
  16. ed65b
    ed65b 23 May 2014 18: 34
    +2
    it is a pity of course that the double-barreled gun was hacked, but they know better. Although visually, of course, it would look just great. at the parade will look at the appearance. If it does not differ visually from MSTA-S, the effect will be lost. it will not be at all. As the saying goes, "they are greeted by their clothes, escorted by their minds."
  17. VOLCHOXURAL
    VOLCHOXURAL 23 May 2014 18: 37
    +19
    Off topic, but needs attention! A petition to ban the distribution of the film "Stalingrad" (F. Bondarchuk). There are very few signatures left -
    https://www.change.org/ru/петиции/министерство-культуры-рф-запретить-прокат-филь
    ma-stalingrad-f-bondarchuk-on-territory-rf-prohibit-rental-of-this-film-for-rub
    hedgehog-withdraw-oscar
    1. WIN969
      WIN969 23 May 2014 18: 46
      +5
      This film is already not watched in Russia.
    2. VOLCHOXURAL
      VOLCHOXURAL 23 May 2014 19: 30
      +12
      Goblin Comment -
      1. Codename49
        Codename49 26 May 2014 15: 52
        +2
        Yes, the film is just a filthy fascist-American, for such films it is necessary to sue !!!
    3. armageddon
      armageddon 23 May 2014 19: 39
      +6
      Sad for Our movie !!!
      1. Ural guys
        Ural guys 26 May 2014 12: 10
        0
        Why is it sad? There are quite interesting films, actors, only one "But" - they are simply not allowed to this Moscow get-together. They may not be very respectable, not varnished, but they have lively faces. And so when you constantly see the same actor it starts to get boring. For example, I have recently been watching old films released during the Soviet period. There are a lot of films that were never shown on TV or in the cinema before. I take pictures from the Torrent.net resource and look at any time convenient for me.
        Or, in recent times, films have begun to be shown in the wrong places in the center or in Europe, and the first screenings have begun to be organized in the hinterland, I think this measure will continue to have a result.
        With music, we are also not doing fine, however, in the same hinterland you can really listen to the live sound that has been weathered long ago at all these film festivals.
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    5. Gorko
      Gorko 23 May 2014 20: 26
      +2
      Off topic, but needs attention! A petition to ban the distribution of the film "Stalingrad" (F. Bondarchuk). There are very few signatures left -
      https://www.change.org/ru/петиции/министерство-культуры-рф-запретить-прокат-филь

      ma-stalingrad-f-bondarchuk-on-territory-rf-prohibit-rental-of-this-film-for-rub

      hedgehog-withdraw-oscar


      Woke up, the train had already left a long time. Stalingrad is not included in the competition program.
      1. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL 23 May 2014 21: 20
        +1
        Quote: GORKO

        Woke up, the train had already left a long time. Stalingrad is not included in the competition program.

        In what other bl. competitive program ??? What are you talking about?
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 23 May 2014 21: 59
          +4
          turned off after 10 minutes of watching vomit. After the stories of his grandfather about the battles in Stalingrad, the film Fedi is complete nonsense.
        2. Gorko
          Gorko 23 May 2014 23: 49
          -2
          hedgehog-withdraw-oscar

          You need to look where you copy the wise guy.
          1. VOLCHOXURAL
            VOLCHOXURAL 24 May 2014 18: 03
            0
            Quote: GORKO
            hedgehog-withdraw-oscar

            You need to look where you copy the wise guy.

            Hey, you smart guy, you haven’t grown out of snot yet, since you write such comments! Firstly, and secondly your bl. Oscars here nah.er nobody cares! The question is completely different - about the prohibition of the film for rental! If you didn’t understand this or didn’t want to understand, but just decided to add up, then you obviously made a mistake on the site !!!
            1. Gorko
              Gorko 25 May 2014 14: 49
              -2
              Hey, you smart guy, you haven’t grown out of snot yet, since you write such comments! Firstly, and secondly your bl. Oscars here nah.er nobody cares! The question is completely different - about the prohibition of the film for rental! If you didn’t understand this or didn’t want to understand, but just decided to add up, then you obviously made a mistake on the site !!!


              Are you lost in time? The film has not been played in films for a long time, and anyone can download it on the Internet and this post that you have dropped has not been relevant for a long time, so go drink it and sleep on until the next premiere.
  18. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 23 May 2014 18: 40
    +3
    I always held the opinion: first to the troops, and then to the parade! I don’t know what they are going to show at the parade: a real sample or a model in iron? If a real sample, then it is not known how he will show himself in the troops. And if the layout, then maybe the real product will be completely different or it will not exist at all. It seems like trying to put the cart in front of the horse.
  19. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 23 May 2014 18: 41
    0
    All this is probably not bad, but the actions of the states and the West show that at the moment it is much more necessary to special forces with support from the Armed Forces by non-lethal, but highly effective means - so that later there would be an opportunity openly, to the whole world, to judge and execute publicly and with media coverage of everyone these dogs and their geeks, both American and Western, let mankind know its "heroes" in person, albeit with a tongue hanging out on the gallows.
  20. 4elovek
    4elovek 23 May 2014 18: 46
    +2
    I don’t know, but I like the double-barreled version more good
  21. Leshka
    Leshka 23 May 2014 18: 46
    +1
    at least buy more of these pieces
  22. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx 23 May 2014 18: 46
    +2
    The double-barreled version, when the recoil of one barrel is used to reload another is extremely interesting. It is a pity that they will do the classic version.
  23. boyar
    boyar 23 May 2014 18: 50
    +2
    I DO NOT BELIEVE COMRADE, DO NOT BELIEVE !!! TO YOUR EARS AND EYES. It is a pity that the double-barreled shotgun (.
  24. shitovmg
    shitovmg 23 May 2014 18: 55
    +3
    This means one thing, TNW, are reaching another level. And, as he says, for the time being, respected by me, the president, Europe PIZ c, but what, most of all I like that, he said that our partners cannot sit behind a "big puddle" !!! I'll go and drink 100 grams for their p ...
  25. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 23 May 2014 19: 00
    +1
    To find out, it is enough to look at the "Coalition". It's even scary to think about what it is in reality.
    I would like to take a look at "Armata" - so many people wait for it and talk about it ...
  26. dr.star75
    dr.star75 23 May 2014 19: 03
    +1
    At the parade, you can also show flying saucers (as they said on the forum), but in real life there are big questions for all these tricks. It has long been written that the classic powder charge (both in the cartridge and in the projectile) has already reached its maximum point. The following weapons systems should already be developed on other physical principles (stone-bow-silicon gun -?). So the game with a 2-barrel howitzer smacks of diversion. What is its meaning? In a given area, 2 shells land immediately, instead of one. Those. try to increase the density of fire. We take the reload time and compare with 2 sausages. As the saying goes: so you because of one ass made a second language?
    1. SAM0SA
      SAM0SA 23 May 2014 19: 41
      +3
      Well no. There's a little other purpose 2 trunks. She does not shoot at once with 2 trunks. But the rate of fire due to 2 barrels increased. Another thing is that the system becomes complicated, etc. etc. But there was infa that all this has already been successfully resolved, if so, then returning to the one-barrel at least upsets.
  27. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 23 May 2014 19: 18
    +1
    Only a full test cycle can confirm the characteristics of new weapon systems and determine their place in the modern combat system ... I think a wide range of different charges will be presented for these systems ... including long-range and high-precision ...
  28. staryivoin
    staryivoin 23 May 2014 19: 19
    +2
    And "Armata" and "Coalition", in order to see at least one eye I look forward to.
    But the competition of tank and self-propelled crews in Russia and in the West can only be solved by real application. It seems that in today's Germany they understand that their PzH-2000 will be quickly discovered and gouged by modern means of destruction.
    And in general, their entire victorious "aerospace offensive operation against the Russian Federation" (according to the plans of the US and NATO), calculated for 40-60 days, is something from "the theory of star wars of the 20th century knows what century." RUSSIA is not Libya, let alone Afghanistan, which the "mattress makers" still cannot crush under themselves. Their Abrams burn superbly with the correct use of PTO.
    Nemchura, in her claims to "tank domination", must recall the history of the Great Patriotic War. T-34, KV, and IS (various modifications) reached Berlin. And this is a fait accompli !!!
    1. evil hamster
      evil hamster 23 May 2014 22: 58
      0
      Quote: staryivoin
      And "Armata" and "Coalition", in order to see at least one eye I look forward to.
      Nothing is easier wink
      Vooon there in the center against the background of the forest.

      Well, here in all the details close, enjoy laughing laughing laughing
  29. bddrus
    bddrus 23 May 2014 19: 34
    +1
    if the coalition-SV, is it again or MSTA-S-modernized or MSTA-S-mounted on the KAMAZ chassis - then this is not enough !!
  30. kafa
    kafa 23 May 2014 20: 09
    +1
    beautiful pompous words. Indians will soon surpass silently. new ammunition; guidance and control systems are needed. a deadborn sau is given for
    wonder weapon am
  31. homosum20
    homosum20 23 May 2014 20: 15
    +2
    Can I have more trunks?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 23 May 2014 20: 24
      +8
      Can I have more trunks?

      Sure! Enough?
  32. yrion
    yrion 23 May 2014 21: 41
    +13
    It is necessary to give about five such DNRs and we will witness new world records in the long-distance running of Bandera
  33. Juborg
    Juborg 23 May 2014 22: 35
    +4
    I don’t understand all this polemic on this topic, thrown in by the “Bulletin of Moldavia”. Still we can start a discussion of the correspondent from "Murzilka" or the pioneer magazine "Koster". As far as I know, there are no serious publications on these topics. In the internet, infa is very scarce, and the one that is, you cannot judge anything specific from it. The only thing that is more or less clear is the Atom project, where the French were allowed only to develop the chassis, and then with the constant participation of Russia. Guys, you shouldn't run ahead of the locomotive, you still won't have time. Let's wait and see with our own eyes what the Russian military industry is capable of.
  34. Velesovich
    Velesovich 23 May 2014 23: 40
    0
    Eh, we won’t have a mammoth tank :(
  35. navara399
    navara399 24 May 2014 00: 28
    0
    The parade will be based on the t-72 with one 152 mm barrel, well, or on the Typhoon.
  36. prishelec
    prishelec 24 May 2014 00: 39
    0
    I look at the picture and I think not a weak gun laughing
  37. tehnoluks
    tehnoluks 24 May 2014 00: 59
    +6
    Add to the discussion of the press ..
  38. regul10108
    regul10108 24 May 2014 04: 07
    -1
    We can when we want!
  39. Flexo
    Flexo 24 May 2014 07: 58
    0
    And the Tesla soldiers will not take part in the 2015 parade ?!
  40. siberko
    siberko 24 May 2014 08: 13
    +4
    here it is base ARMAT
    1. vostok1982
      vostok1982 25 May 2014 21: 10
      +1
      This is a monster from the Strugatsky.
    2. just exp
      just exp 25 May 2014 23: 15
      +1
      no, that's about 195.
  41. Sashaephexy
    Sashaephexy 24 May 2014 15: 10
    -2
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  42. alpenstock
    alpenstock 24 May 2014 15: 42
    0
    really looking forward and want to see the parade wink
  43. Signaller
    Signaller 24 May 2014 16: 43
    +1
    This is not so relevant. Two trunks, one. Msta is completely fine. There are multiple launch rocket systems. Why fence a garden on a sown field ???? Achieve accuracy and low cost shots. These are fairy tales. For a hundred kilometers to send a projectile with correction is the same as a missile tip. Laser monitoring, control systems. We are adding UAV to them with their systems. The monster is not weak. And three missiles in one, like three shells, yes without question. This is no longer Katyushchi-BM 13 with their scatter. Of course the tank will not be beaten, but they will bring rustle. Right
  44. Bosk
    Bosk 24 May 2014 17: 48
    +1
    And all the same it is interesting under the "Flurry of Fire" with the maximum series at what range does the "Coalition" hit? and how "long" this series ...
  45. freerider
    freerider 24 May 2014 22: 42
    +3
    our armor is strong, and our tanks are fast soldier

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  46. sokrat7
    sokrat7 24 May 2014 23: 06
    0
    At all times, the struggle was for superiority in fire control, armor thickness and firing range. Everything else is secondary. Autoloaders not only in self-propelled guns, but also in tanks (especially in tanks) require attention. There is nothing unusual here. And the rest - we'll see.
  47. pravda2014s
    pravda2014s 25 May 2014 10: 02
    +1
    Serdyukov just need to be shot!
  48. kyznets
    kyznets 25 May 2014 16: 32
    0
    Sending Serdyukov to cut the forest for ten years would be more punishing for him. Or into a mine, digging coal. Or, on the construction of a railway, lay sleepers, carry rails, dig gravel. In general, it is better for him to work for ten years on heavy monotonous physical labor, with an average annual ambient temperature of "-10". This is somewhere in the New Land. They must be punished with hard work, so that in seven years he will realize himself as an average Russian. And for the remaining three years, patriotism grew in him, and not greed for someone else's good.
  49. Ded_Ivanov
    Ded_Ivanov 26 May 2014 08: 23
    0
    Put the car into operation faster, and go to Donetsk!
    1. Ural guys
      Ural guys 26 May 2014 11: 49
      0
      We are not greedy, we agree only to Berlin !!!
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  50. papont64
    papont64 26 May 2014 09: 25
    0
    From two trunks but for a major purpose !!!)))