Why can't China openly support Russia in its policy towards Ukraine?

Associate Professor of the Department of International Relations, Zhejiang University in Hangzhou (China) Gregory J. Moore analyzed the reasons why China did not openly support Russia in its policy towards Ukraine, reports "Military Parity", with reference to thediplomat.com.

According to the expert, Moscow needs control over the developed military-industrial complex (MIC) of Ukraine due to the supply of defense products to the Russian Federation. In turn, the Peking authorities understand that in the event Ukraine’s transfer to Moscow’s control, some of the programs of Chinese-Ukrainian military-technical cooperation will be canceled, which will make the PRC even more dependent on Russian military technology. It is because of this that China did not support the Russian Federation during the voting in the UN Security Council.

In addition, Russia is afraid of copying military products by China, while for Ukraine it is not so important. In particular, Moscow expressed outrage at the replication of Su-27 fighters. In its turn, Ukraine supplied China with a prototype of the Su-33 carrier-based fighter, which was openly copied to create the Chinese J-35.

Thus, it is very important for China to get free access to Ukrainian military technologies, especially in the area of ​​air-to-surface and air-to-air missiles, air cushion ships, cruise missiles, jet and turboshaft engines. On the other hand, Beijing is also not interested in Ukraine joining the EU because of the arms embargo imposed by the European Union in 1989, which Kiev will have to adhere to.

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[ksv500]

China always and everywhere adheres only to its own interests! If tomorrow sees the benefits-will fully support Russia. Exactly one thing, China will not turn its back on Russia in the near future - in confronting the United States, an alliance with Russia meets the interests of China!

[MOISEY]

And what's so surprising. Any sane government must first protect the interests of their country, and China is not alone in this.

[Klepa]

I would even take an example from China. For example, I would take apart and copy Western industrial equipment that we need. And would organize its own production with slight changes. And how else to act quickly in a threat to entire sectors of the economy?

[jayich]

Well, as if ours were just buying a license and already producing it with us.
On May 16, 2014, the Kovrov Electromechanical Plant launched the assembly production of TAKISAWA programmed machine tools.
According to the agreements reached, Takisawa gives the Kovrov Electromechanical Plant the exclusive right to use the technical information transmitted under the agreement for the assembly, sale, commissioning and maintenance of the TS-4000 model CNC lathes in Russia and the CIS countries.

The potential of machine-tool production in the Vladimir Region allows the production of a line of fifth-generation high-precision machine tools to be launched at the first stage in volumes of up to 600 units a year, and subsequently, in cooperation with machine-tool enterprises of the region, up to 1700 units.

A cooperation agreement between Kovrov Electromechanical Plant OJSC and TAKISAWA was signed on July 31, 2013. The subject of this agreement, in particular, was the organization of serial production of CNC machine tools in Kovrov with subsequent localization of production.

In the initial plans of the manufacturer - equipping with the latest equipment of his own enterprise.

Eight machine tools are already ready, another 40 are in operation. The cost of each is $ 200, which is significantly lower than the Taiwanese counterparts.

Fifth generation equipment. So, without undue modesty, the Japanese call these machines. Each one has modern software, also made in Japan. The Takisawa company signed a cooperation agreement with the Kovrov Electromechanical Plant back in July last year. Now, on its basis, turning and milling machines of model 4000 will be assembled. In other words, serial production of high-precision equipment will be organized. And its further marketing has been established.

VLADIMIR LEBEDEV, GENERAL DIRECTOR OF THE KOVROV ELECTROMECHANICAL PLANT: "Before offering the consumer, we, I say again, tested it, we are confident in it. Here we absolutely give a guarantee and boldly look at the market."

This confidence in success is justified: Takisawa has been creating machines since 1922. She is the world leader in the production of metal cutting machine tools. Subsidiaries - in Taiwan, China, India and the States. In Russia, we used to work only through dealers. The first production in our country is in Kovrov.

KAZUHIRO HARADA, PRESIDENT OF THE TAKISAWA COMPANY: "Before that, I have been to Russia several times. I have visited several enterprises, most of them require renovation. We chose the Kovrov plant because of its maximum readiness to master new technologies and its proximity to Moscow."

[Draz]

The media simply does not write about this; you need to read the news from the sites of the plants themselves.

[tolancop]

If it were that simple .... Disassembling is not a problem, and removing drawings is not a problem. But then it turns out that it’s impossible to make that little detail, because it is not known how it can be done.
And there is a microcontroller in that control unit, but what is flashed in the microcontroller is unknown ...
Etc. according to the list ... Kitaez copyists are excellent, only copies and they turn out worse than the original.

[Nikita_Pilot]

It seems that the Chinese without the Russian Federation will die. They are like parasites of technology. After all, they did not do anything special from military equipment. They have absolutely all copies, and they made medium-range missiles that we reduced to zero according to Soviet drawings that we gave them just before the collapse of the USSR. My older brother told me this. He served in the missile forces for 8 years, he is going to return to the profession of electrician in civilian life. I don’t like it. Even their new amphibious armored personnel carriers are Soviet experimental vehicles not for production. Their new type 99 is the T-72 with tinsel. They just threw our donated drawings on the shelf and waited for better times. So we need to save our technology for two, and with the Chinese three steps in front. Thank God that we did not give them the technology of our Strategic Rocket Forces. Apparently the uravishka of those times was sober.

[Panzerjager]

Enterprises on their own cannot act this way; they need approval from above. In China, copying is fully approved - albeit unofficially - by the government. If there is such "good" in Russia, everything will appear at once. Left-handers have not yet died out completely.

[Nikolay no zver]

You can and should copy, only in the seventies they tried to copy American chips, there was no technology.
It is necessary to raise your own to the desired level.

[Nikolay no zver]

You can and should copy, only in the seventies they tried to copy American chips, there was no technology.
It is necessary to raise your own to the desired level.

[zeleznijdorojnik]

I do not agree with the adjunct - the Chinese have already collected all the tidbits of technology in 25 years - with us at EBN and in Hohland, there is nothing particularly interesting, well, apart from the RS-36m, there is nothing left. They have a different problem - they themselves have the same situation in the Xinjin Uygur Autonomous Region and in a couple of regions - like Kiev with the DPR and LPR.

[Aleksandr68]

That is, there are no more healthy-minded governments in Europe, if everyone supports the reptile sanctions?

[yushch]

Just ask yourself the question, does Russia need China’s explicit support in this problem ?? The answer lies on the surface. China has already given us tremendous support with recent contracts and a joint memorandum of cooperation and interaction. In big politics, not explicit support is often important, but rather hidden.

[Sid.74]

The conclusion in the article is superficial! It’s just that if their territories in China begin to determine themselves, Tibet is the same, then China will have serious troubles! And they also have their own island, which they dream of returning-Taiwan! And they want and prick!

[alexng]

Yes, China has already realized that the military-industrial complex of Ukraine is already poher and it will only have to deal with Russia. On the sidelines and in closed negotiations, this issue was probably discussed.

[Sid.74]

Quote: alexneg

Yes, China has already realized that the military-industrial complex of Ukraine is already poher and it will only have to deal with Russia.

By the way! The news is from Medvedev, who is not an iPhone !!! The gas price is more than 350 bucks!

S.-PETERSBURG, May 23 - RIA Novosti. The price of natural gas, which Gazprom will supply to China, is more than $ 350 per thousand cubic meters, Alexander Medvedev, deputy chairman of the board of Gazprom, confirmed to journalists on the sidelines of the SPIEF.

"Oh-oh-oh, how else," - said Medvedev, answering the question of whether the price of gas is really higher than $ 350 per thousand cubic meters.
RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/economy/20140523/1008970114.html#ixzz32WccSPXI

And further!!!

“After the signing of the gas contract between Russia and China, the Ukrainian issue fades into the background for the European Union. Partial reorientation of Russia to the gas market in China, and in the future, South Korea and Japan, will nullify the EU's attempts to force Russia to reduce gas prices. received an alternative and more promising gas sales market, "Yuriy Korolchuk, a Ukrainian expert, member of the Supervisory Board of the Institute of Energy Strategies, told the press on May 22

According to the expert, the gas agreement between Russia and China is very untimely for the current interests of Ukraine. "Ukraine has fallen into a Chinese trap, which plays into the hands of Russia. Now the Ukrainian problems and, above all, the solution of the issue of the gas debt of Naftogaz will not be so urgent for the EU. After all, it will be necessary to save its own European skin. that negotiations between Ukraine and Russia on all issues are not possible - this is the last attempt to put pressure on the European Union and win it over to the side of Ukraine, including on the gas issue, "Korolchuk said.

“Before the appearance of the Chinese agreement, the EU's position was“ neither yours nor ours. ”Now the EU will try not to completely spoil relations with Gazprom and will distance itself from the Ukrainian gas issue. 2013 and the first quarter of 2014. The EU and the IMF will help Ukraine pay off its debts by providing loans that will have to be repaid. But the EU is no longer deciding and negotiating with Russia on a new gas price for Naftogaz - as Ukraine wants it to do. The EU countries will first of all think about themselves and about the price of gas for ordinary residents and industry of the European Union, and not for residents and factories of Ukraine. Actually, Ukraine seems to be once again left alone with the "bloodthirsty" gas monopoly of Russia, - continued the expert.

“But there is an even greater danger for Ukraine. The agreement between Gazprom and China stipulates that Russia will still receive from China investments in gas production in the amount of 20 billion dollars, as well as an advance of 25 billion dollars. These funds will allow Gazprom "to start the construction of the South Stream without the initial support of the European Union. And this threatens Ukraine with an annual loss of transit flow in the future up to 40-50 billion cubic meters of gas," Korolchuk summed up.

[creak]

Quote: yushch

.China has already provided us tremendous support with recent contracts and a joint memorandum

This is still a question of who supported whom more - we are China or he is us, long-term contracts do not pull in a gesture of good, and even more so do not look like an act of support from China. It is no coincidence that the purely commercial side of these transactions is commented rather streamlined .... Time will tell how much ...

[mamont5]

Quote: ksv500

China always and everywhere adheres only to its own interests! If tomorrow sees the benefits-will fully support Russia.

So these are all countries. Everyone acts in their interests and China is not alone here. Therefore, we must build our policies in such a way that it is beneficial for our allied neighbors to support us.

[Serg 122]

Everyone acts in their interests and China is not alone
Normal position, normal country. I have no doubt that our country, for example, is doing the same. But. Not so bad:
UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon expressed disappointment that Council members were unable to take a unified position on such an important issue. Russia and China vetoed a draft resolution on the transfer of the “Syrian dossier” to the International Criminal Court (ICC). The 13 remaining Board members voted in favor of the draft. This was reported by the UN press service.
So our countries have common points

[marder4]

you can’t argue with this - the Chinese always keep the stones peeling

[armageddon]

One and a half trillion US dollars in papers of the US Treasury is the real problem of China !!!

[Sid.74]

Quote: Armagedon

One and a half trillion US dollars in papers of the US Treasury is the real problem of China !!!

And also horseradishcolumn of dollars! In my opinion it was about 2 trillions of bucks!

[bvi1965]

They want to get on the tree and yay ..) jo ..) well, in general, nothing to strip.

[Giant thought]

The Chinese are cunning, as always, both ours and yours. This is their mentality. And Russia must observe its interests in relations with China.

[commander]

as if China had outwitted itself

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Commandor

as if China had outwitted itself

That's for sure ... and then a halo around them created a kind of cunning .. x))))

[bender8282]

China is only interested in its own goods!

[Per se.]

"Gregory J. Moore, Adjunct Professor at the Department of International Relations at Zhejiang University in Hangzhou (China), analyzed the reasons why China did not openly support Russia in its policy towards Ukraine" ... Of course, of course, its own shirt closer to the body, that's the whole essence of Chinese "friendship", and this is not the most critical moment, but what if you had to sacrifice something more significant? Such, damn it, "allies", and do not deceive yourself here, "these radishes will betray us at the first nix."

[Standard Oil]

As soon as China signed gas contracts with Russia, the terrorist attack immediately, somehow suspiciously. Seem the Americans are unhappy.

[Arsenal]

Anecdote to the topic ....
Putin is calling Gazprom. - Well, have you built a gas pipeline to China? - Built, Vladimir Vladimirovich. - Has the gas gone? - Gas has not yet started, but the Chinese have already climbed.

[Sour]

Quote: Arsenal

Anecdote to the topic ....

Very stupid joke.
Not really, they are torn here. In addition to Moscow and the Moscow Region, you will not see them anywhere in Russia. But in the USA and in the EU they are full, and more and more.

[Arsenal]

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Not really, they are torn here. In addition to Moscow and the Moscow Region, you will not see them anywhere in Russia. But in the USA and in the EU they are full, and more and more.

During the meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev demanded that migrants not form enclaves in the country, ITAR-TASS reports. It is important to prevent “negative manifestations” from the visitors, including not allowing them to form separate territories, he said. Medvedev also called for "protecting the Far Eastern regions from the excessive expansion of citizens of border states," obviously, referring primarily to China.

Very stupid joke.

Do you have a "stupid" one? - Excuse me ....

[Suhov]

Quote: Standard Oil

Once China has signed gas contracts with Russia,
immediately terrorist attacksuspiciously somehow. Seem the Americans are unhappy.

This coincidence is random.
If we take into account the fact that in big politics:
Accident - there is a well-foreseen need ...

[e_krendel]

But what, they had to standing ovation 3 hours in a row?
And almost all the attacks have ears sticking out in Fashington!

[KC4E]

Where did the terrorist attack happen?

[Standard Oil]

Quote: KC 4

Where did the terrorist attack happen?

The attack in Urumqi, in the north-west of China.

[samuil60]

And right after the terrorist attack, the conversation ended about selling gas for rubles and yuan and the calculations will again be in dollars, to the delight of the Americans.

[kashtak]

"Gregory J. Moore" strangely used to think that Chinese names are a little different

[knn54]

Firstly, it is a violation of the fundamental principles of Chinese politics. Secondly, by clearly supporting Russia, China will give an occasion to other countries to interfere in its internal affairs. China in 2005 introduced a law prohibiting its territories from leaving the country. He even has the right to use military force against Taiwan if he OFFICIALLY declares independence. The main thing is that China, in the situation with Ukraine, has pursued a balanced and honest policy:
He supported the ally
- judged what was happening and at the same time didn’t give anyone a reason to apply sanctions against him,
And there is not even a hint of any cooling. At the same time, the citizens of China are on the side of Russia ...
PS If the current ("Putin") Russia falls, then China’s strategic interests will be dealt a severe blow.

[SVD]

And can someone tell me - throughout the history of Russia have she had allies who, without any benefit, supported and supported her?

[Barakuda]

There were, but only those whom Russia saved. Balkans, Korea, Vietnam, Mongolia, China, Eastern Europe have already forgotten ..

[tolancop]

There was ... Nowhere and never ...

[SAG]

There were !!! 100% About them, Alexander III spoke out.

[chunga-changa]

Because America and Europe are stronger than Russia and China. Let's hope this is only for now.

[Barakuda]

This is such a joke ..? A joke of humor?

[SAG]

You forgot to write the word "economically". If they were stronger in the military component, this site would not exist, like us.

[LOCKS]

In this situation, it is very difficult to call China an ally. Rather, our interests coincided at some point in time. This has happened more than once and there is no need to expect "friendship for a century" from the bottom, but you need to try to benefit from the situation.

[Walk]

Who can understand these cunning Asians? In addition to the above reasons, they have reasons not to support the separatists. They themselves have a couple of areas that would like autonomy. But since China is positioning itself in the future as a world leader, until it can compete on equal terms with the United States, it will have to be friends with Russia. And on the issue of disputed territories in the South China Sea, Russia's support will not hurt him.

[HAM]

Well, quite frankly and logically, article +

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

But it seems to me that the author of the article thinks very narrowly ... The PRC understands that if Ukraine moves into the sphere of influence of the West, he will get a hole from the donut, not technology ... But the minus of the article

[IOwTZ]

Off-topic, I need advice: tell me, why when you enter the site and read the comments, you don’t see some users who comment (for some reason, they are visible when you haven’t entered the site)?

[Barakuda]

"She is a world leader in metal cutting machine tools. Subsidiaries in Taiwan, China, India and the State."

NKMZ and KZTS in Kramatorsk, they delivered machines to 18 countries of the world ... there is a map hanging on the entrance card. Not to mention the USSR. The city was subordinate only to Kiev and Moscow.

[nikcris]

I can easily list these "countries".
And in my textbook on economic geography was a photo of a Soviet lathe at an American plant.

[blackberry]

Mr. Moore is completely wrong about the reasons for China's current position. Firstly, the Chinese veto on the UN voting was exclusively, simply crucial for Russia. Everyone understood this, including Russia, China, the EU, the United States. And China used its veto right without putting forward any preconditions - neither on gas, perfectly understanding the need for a gas contract for Gazprom, nor on any other aspects of cooperation. More support could never have been expected from a country competing with Russia on many issues. Even direct allies could not have provided more support, given that Russia does not have allies with a veto right in the UN. And a simple “for” with such a number of voters did not decide much at all. So if not for China, the issue with Ukraine would have already been closed in favor of NATO. And there is no need to wait for a vote "for" the division of the state from any state - none of the politicians will vote for the division of the country, in almost every country there are or are ready to have problem regions, offended by the central government and wanting to become a small independent state. So the article does not even fit a student's essay, neither in terms of the depth of analysis, nor in terms of conclusions.

[andrewvlg]

Quote: blackberry

Firstly, the Chinese veto at a vote at the UN was exclusively, simply crucial, for Russia.

What are you talking about? If in Syria, then what does it have to do with it:

Quote: blackberry

So if not for China, the issue with Ukraine would have been closed in favor of NATO.

How and when did China prevent Ukraine from joining NATO?

[blackberry]

Quote: andrewvlg

Quote: blackberry

Firstly, the Chinese veto at a vote at the UN was exclusively, simply crucial, for Russia.

What are you talking about? If in Syria, then what does it have to do with it:

Quote: blackberry

So if not for China, the issue with Ukraine would have been closed in favor of NATO.

How and when did China prevent Ukraine from joining NATO?

you know, do not be offended, but the shortest answer to your questions was uttered at one time by Zadornov "I will have to start explaining from 1917 why we have pens on the wrong side." I'll try briefly. Syria has been at war for the third year. ... Yes, Russia was against the war there and all that, but for all the years, no one has ever, except for the Washington DC, spoke on the topic - and why the hell did they get to the bottom of Assad? We, as adults, do not consider conversations about crap and other myths of ancient Greece in the topic of war. Here in the answer to this question lie the answers to your questions to me. I suggest: when Yanukovych ran away from work, which caused all the subsequent nightmarish events to happen, for some reason a piece of official chronicle was shown on TV - comrade Stepashin sits next to comrade Assad, and he says to the camera “tell Vladimir Vladimirovich that I’m not Yanukovych, I don’t I'll run away. " Stepashin is never an accountant, although he was responsible for the Accounts Chamber. Both Syria and Ukraine are at war with Russia. They would have broken Russia's position on Syria (China was the key here), and there would not have been even microscopic hesitations of European henchmen in Ukraine. This time. And the GDP used it for all 100. Time and polite.

[dr.Bo]

No country will at its own expense even lift a finger.
China waited for the moment when the maximum positive moment was formed for its interests. And it began to move.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

Well, let's look at the reaction of China when Russia will also abstain in the event of conflicts in the Paracel Islands, (the first signs are already there) with the Yuppas, also over the Senkaku Islands, with Taiwan ... ... when support will be needed in the matter with Tibet, in the issue with the separatists in the Northwest ....... etc .................... Rylce is then in the gun of our Chinese comrades. should still be smarter!

[old man 72]

My opinion is that no matter the situation in the world, Russia and China will always be friends and partners. Indeed, even among the best friends and partners there are disputes and disagreements, but they always find a way out of this situation, without prejudice to any of the friends and partners.

[andrewvlg]

Quote: old man 72

Because even among the best friends and partners there are disputes and disagreements

Well, yes, sanctions, for example, and all that ... They passed already with European partners, we know.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

With such a friend, ears must be kept at the top of the head. Our Slavyanka was copied.

[jovanni]

It is necessary to discard false modesty, and to promote modern technology in our country by all available means. To buy, copy, and rub (and what, everyone does it!) ... And grow, grow, grow your engineers! Enough of us lawyers-economists Timurogaydarovskih.

[kodxnumx]

They are afraid that they will become more dependent on the Russian military-industrial complex, they’ll capture the Yanks if they grow up in the country, they just don’t catch anything, they decide for us, they don’t have anything to do, we’ll have to choose the best from two evils!

[buser]

pip ... c !!! In gives professor! In three words explained the policy of China! Xi Jinping probably told him in secret ...

[Akvadra]

It is obvious that rapprochement and closer cooperation with China is becoming more productive and beneficial to both sides. Only this friendship should not be, as they say, "in the gums". Sober calculation, deliberation, extreme caution and economic justification should become the immutable rules of this friendship.

[avia1991]

"Russia cannot be understood with the mind .." - the same can be said, in a certain sense, in relation to China and other Asians as well. "Tricky-ass" representatives of Asia have always been the talk of the town: it is impossible to understand what they really want until they say it themselves. So, I think, the "seven pots" came off the negotiators in China, while everything was settled .. You can't trust Asians!

[X Y Z]

Yes, they are doing everything right and we need to take an example from them. And not as many of ours, who are constantly trying to fraternize with the Serbs, the Chinese, then generally with someone very exotic. And they do it selflessly and from the whole wide Russian soul. It’s better to remember Alexander III more often and you will be happy.

[sv68]

I’m short of my bosses with Tibet and other places. They don’t want to create a precedent-if new republics can be allowed on ukroin, and this will support China, then tomorrow the Chinese will begin, they will curse themselves from the result

[Komrad.Garik]

In short, in this world, no one wants to live according to their conscience. Everyone pursues their own selfish interest. And these "smart progmatists" are not aware that a clear conscience is the most expensive interest, something that is worth living and dying for, and everything else - rubbish, which the "clever" cannot share.

[Palladium900]

In addition to the title, you can add another nuance. There was news that a terrible terrorist attack occurred in China, which killed 31 people and injured 90. Explosions took place in the most problematic - the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region (XUAR). A day earlier, riots swept the neighboring Gorno-Badakhshan Autonomous Region of Tajikistan. Both incidents occurred against the background of the signing of historical agreements between Russia and China, which leads to some thoughts ..

[Alex Nick]

Why can't China openly support Russia in its policy towards Ukraine? ................ Because it is China. They have never taken responsible decisions that are fraught with serious consequences.

[Khalmamed]

China is a completely different mindset level of thinking ... they have 1 billion internal problems .. hold on to OUR Ukraine will give rise to their revolutions ... all the more reptile dragons are careful ... look at the poison-poisoned lizards. ., waited gobbled up.
China-Mudr .., has preserved ancient knowledge and by all appearances knows exactly why the loopholes and ledges in the wall of the "Chinese" are directed towards them.