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In the US, consider the possible losses from the ban on the supply of RD-180

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Not long ago, the US Department of Defense ordered a report in which it would like to receive information concerning damage to the state in the event of Russia's failure to supply RD-180 rocket engines. The report was prepared by a group of experts, consisting of retired generals of the US Air Force, as well as ex-NASA staff. Reports about it ITAR-TASS.


In the US, consider the possible losses from the ban on the supply of RD-180


Experts in the course of the research have concluded that if Russia decides to abandon the deliveries of RD-180, which are used for American heavy carriers, this will lead to a revision of the entire segment of the American space program. In the US, more than 30 launches of carriers with Russian RD-180 are planned, and if these launches are canceled or even postponed, then the losses, according to the most modest estimates, will be 5 billions of dollars. If the United States decides to switch to developing its own engines of a similar type capable of replacing Russian ones, the first result will appear no earlier than 2020 of the year, which is unacceptable for NASA.

At the same time, American experts are confident that the United States itself must phase out Russian rocket engines for several reasons. One of them is this: the program to launch military satellites is tied to the use of the RD-180 in the USA. After Washington’s expanding sanctions package against Russia, Moscow said it was ready to supply rocket engines to the United States only for civilian projects. Launch programs in the interests of the military can be seriously affected.
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  1. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 22 May 2014 18: 58
    +7
    Sorry, that is not the topic

    Here are the living soldiers

    Commander of the battle


    And now there are corpses and burnt equipment. Despite the anti-aircraft guns, they did not expect that they would be attacked by their own using airplanes.









    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 22 May 2014 19: 22
      +12
      Remember now Americans about trampolines
      1. jjj
        jjj 22 May 2014 19: 36
        +7
        According to preliminary estimates, the Americans will have enough of their own forces for launching. These will be lighter or heavier missiles depending on the situation. They complain that it will be much more expensive.
      2. Sterlya
        Sterlya 22 May 2014 19: 36
        +9
        Quote: ZU-23
        Remember now Americans about trampolines

        Americans have proven 1000 times that they are not reliable "partners". So there are sanctions for sanctions.
        Imagine this situation. As soon as they develop their engine, they will abandon ours.
        And our production facilities will be out of work, will suffer a loss.
        Moreover, with the help of them, military (and at least civilian) satellites are launched. who spy on us and solve other problems
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  2. il2.chewie
    il2.chewie 22 May 2014 18: 59
    +8
    So much for Kuzkina’s mother! As the saying goes - did you want sanctions? so we have them!

    I think out of stupidity Obama even surpassed Bush Jr. He’s not at all friendly with his head. It’s time to regret the USA. This is at the helm.
    1. mad
      mad 22 May 2014 19: 30
      +8
      Let’s see how they will sing closer to winter, when Russian gas will go to China, and not Europe, which has gone from its greatness.
    2. jjj
      jjj 22 May 2014 19: 37
      +6
      Quote: il2.chewie
      I think out of stupidity Obama even surpassed Bush Jr.

      Yes, Bush can be considered quite an adequate president against Obama’s background
      1. asar
        asar 22 May 2014 20: 14
        +6
        Bush Jr. although he "applied", but did not reach such stupidity! rulers of the state are "shallow"! laughing
      2. budizdorov
        budizdorov 23 May 2014 01: 02
        0
        But what about 08.08?
    3. asar
      asar 22 May 2014 20: 12
      +4
      What else can you expect from a black monkey ?! In the morning he imposed sanctions, at lunchtime he realized that he was "stupid"! Well, whoooo! laughing
  3. Giant thought
    Giant thought 22 May 2014 19: 00
    +19
    Consider losses, mattresses, only from our existence on earth, because we do not fit into your directives. You are our enemies, and we are yours. We have the Orthodox faith, and you are Christ selling.
  4. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 22 May 2014 19: 02
    +4
    It is high time to stop supplying. Moreover, there is where to put these engines on our rockets .... If I'm not mistaken, the RD-180 is equipped with the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle.
    1. sub307
      sub307 22 May 2014 19: 31
      +6
      It is good, of course, to have your own leisure opinion. But there is a problem: "
      Members of the US Congress share this opinion and therefore the Pentagon’s draft budget for the 2015 fiscal year, prepared by the House of Representatives, provides for an allocation of $ 220 million in order to create an engine that can replace the Russian RD-180. American experts believe that such an engine may appear in the United States by 2022.
      In the meantime, the United Launch Alliance and the US Department of Defense have accelerated the purchase of RD-180s from Russia in order to create the largest possible stock of them. NPO Energomash is ready to help its American partners in this and plans to supply the United States with new RD-2016 rocket engines after 181.
      With regard to the feasibility of terminating exports to the USA RD-180, then this is not the first time that this has been discussed in Moscow. However, Energomash's management warns that such a move could lead to a sharp decline in orders and revenues for the company. As Solntsev noted, "recession can make up about 60% of the production volume, and then the company can be closed". Not I" composed ":
      http://www.i-mash.ru/news/zarub_sobytiya/52144-ssha-ishhut-sposob-izbavitsja-ot-

      rossijjskikh.html
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 22 May 2014 22: 28
        +3
        Quote: sub307
        "the decline may be about 60% of the production volume, and then the enterprise can be closed." It was not me who "composed":

        By 2022, this will happen. So what? Americans will establish their engine and abandon ours, and we will help them in this. Sanctions are double-edged weapons. The management of Energomash needs to look for other customers, or keep silent in a rag and plow on mattresses until they are thrown out as unnecessary.
      2. sub307
        sub307 22 May 2014 23: 57
        +3
        It's like being in a "marriage of need": living together sucks, getting a divorce sucks too.
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    3. zennon
      zennon 22 May 2014 20: 11
      +3
      Quote: DanSabaka
      It is high time to stop supplying. Moreover, there is where to put these engines on our rockets .... If I'm not mistaken, the RD-180 is equipped with the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle.

      I have not heard ... The first stage of "Soyuz-2" is equipped with 4 × RD-107A. I did not remember the second one, I looked at the "Vicky" -RD-108A. RD-180 use mattress covers on Atlas 3 and Atlas 5. It is assumed that for the first stage of the Soyuz-2.1v rocket, the RD-193 will be used. It should also be on the Angara, which, by the way, is about to debut. As for the RD-180, we must not leave the mattress market. We will find a replacement, and we will go to bed without this market. It costs about $ 10. Do we have a lot of high-tech products of the world, avant-garde class that we can export? I don’t like mattresses for arrogance , for a careless attitude towards others, confidence in their infallibility, but don't be hysterical. Don't scare anyone, you need to work calmly.
    4. clidon
      clidon 22 May 2014 20: 31
      +3
      RD-180 is received only by Americans. The own project of using them in the Rus-M launch vehicle has been canceled. That is why American orders are very important for "energomashevists". In case of failure, both parties will suffer. Moreover, from the "Protons" (for which they also make engines) will gradually be abandoned. Exactly the same as from "Zenith".
      1. max702
        max702 22 May 2014 21: 37
        +2
        USA - ENEMY !!! And with that, everyone was selling wheat, strategic raw materials, and many other things to Hitler ... did it help a lot? Or how many of our people, thanks to this "help", did the Nazis destroy? Isn't it a similar picture? And as for the enterprise, if our astronautics do not need these engines. it means that we need to reorientate for the release of something else, now all and sundry are shouting about the lack of a technological base and skilled workers, but here everything is in order .. Grab everything with money to measure, everything that strengthens our enemy must be stopped! How is it with Marx "the capitalist for the sake of profit will sell the rope on which he will be hung"
        1. clidon
          clidon 22 May 2014 21: 47
          +4
          The enemy - when everyone is preparing for war, there are problems of an ideological or geopolitical nature insoluble by diplomacy. But so far there is none of this, even no one is really imposing sanctions against us, for laziness will even strike at ourselves.
          We are not yet leaving the WTO, and by and large are not going to. We are a capitalist country, like the United States, and so far nothing has changed in this regard. And the capitalist makes money, as you rightly noted.
        2. zennon
          zennon 22 May 2014 22: 56
          +5
          Quote: max702
          USA - ENEMY !!! And with that, everyone was selling wheat, strategic raw materials, and many other things to Hitler ... did it help a lot? Or how many of our people, thanks to this "help", did the Nazis destroy?

          What would you know. Before the war, Germany sold us a first-class machine-tool fleet, samples of all its weapons, including ALL aircraft, communications, and much more. Italy handed over to the USSR the ships we ordered. We will get nothing of this THEN wherever else could not.
    5. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 22 May 2014 21: 56
      +1
      Quote: DanSabaka
      If I am not mistaken, the RD-180 is equipped with the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle

      It seems that RD-180 is not used on ours.
      "..." Soyuz-2.1v "
      It is a light class rocket with a payload of about 2800 kg into a low (200 km) low Earth orbit. The modification was previously known as Soyuz-1.
      Compared to the Soyuz-2.1b version, the NK-33-1 closed-cycle liquid-propellant rocket engine developed by the SNTK im. N. D. Kuznetsov, which has more than twice the thrust compared to that used on Soyuz-2.1a and Soyuz-2.1b RD-108A .... "
      1. zennon
        zennon 22 May 2014 23: 13
        +3
        Quote: Bad_gr
        Compared to the Soyuz-2.1b version, the NK-33-1 closed-cycle liquid-propellant rocket engine developed by the SNTK im. N. D. Kuznetsov, which has more than twice the thrust compared to that used on Soyuz-2.1a and Soyuz-2.1b RD-108A .... "

        NK-33 has not been produced for a long time. Several dozen of them were manufactured in Samara. Later it was decided to destroy them. Clever Nieolai Dmitrievich locked them in a hangar, where they were stored for many years. Now we sell them mattress mats on the "antares" carrier. They are running out. ..
  5. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 22 May 2014 19: 03
    +4
    Offer trampolines, fresh, resilient, certified!
    1. jjj
      jjj 22 May 2014 19: 38
      +3
      Quote: Silkway0026
      Offer trampolines, fresh, resilient, certified!

      Made in China
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 22 May 2014 19: 03
    +2
    In retaliation, the United States stopped supplying components for the production of satellites ... so the strike turned out to be mutual.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 22 May 2014 20: 05
      +6
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      In retaliation, the United States stopped supplying components for the production of satellites ... so the strike turned out to be mutual.

      Alexey, this is a boomerang, not an answer. First, the YuSers banned their components and the launch of satellites from Russian launch vehicles. Well, and the "trampoline" they were offered after these freaks. So, in all its glory, Newton's third law: "As it comes around, it will respond!"
  7. lexx2038
    lexx2038 22 May 2014 19: 04
    +2
    It is necessary to stop deliveries so that they suffer damage, otherwise they will quietly assemble their engine, and unexpectedly for us will refuse themselves, then we will suffer damage. Damage to money is not everything, but how many tasks have not been completed, and this also causes damage, I think much more. Until 2020, half of their satellites will fall, space. After all, the grouping must be updated.
    PS It’s only planned to create an engine, but whether they will assemble it, this is a big question, if they could, then they would have already collected it.
  8. fox21h
    fox21h 22 May 2014 19: 04
    +1
    Fig them, not engines. You shouldn't sell such products to our mattress "tailors".
  9. Neighbor
    Neighbor 22 May 2014 19: 04
    +1
    "Love" must be mutual.
  10. soyuz-nik
    soyuz-nik 22 May 2014 19: 08
    +1
    Good health, I wish! hi

    It seems that the generals are hesitant, and the field commanders stupidly lack the courage and intelligence to understand that they and the soldiers are consumables. The turning points are because they are turning points, that it is necessary to make tough and the only right decisions. When will they "finish off" and go over to the side of the LPR and DPR? After all, where is the elementary instinct for self-preservation?

    They are now being used as cannon fodder, and then when Julia and Petya begin to find out which of them is more patriotic, they will put the army as an extreme in military crimes, or throw them under militias or ends in the water - they will finish with an erroneous bombing ....
  11. mamont5
    mamont5 22 May 2014 19: 17
    0
    "American experts are confident that the United States itself should phase out Russian rocket engines for a number of reasons."

    That's it, the key word here is "step by step". Cut the ends off at once, let them bury their muzzles in the mud.
  12. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 22 May 2014 19: 17
    +1
    The United States is trying, as painfully as possible, to "bite" Russia, it would be time to put a MUSIC on them in the form of retaliatory sanctions, THAT WOULD HAVE THEIR CHEEKS, so that they would feel these SANCTIONS.
  13. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 22 May 2014 19: 27
    +2
    Let the Americans ... bear's paw!

    But Obama needs to put on a rocket. Let it fly!
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 22 May 2014 19: 55
      +7
      But Obama needs to put on a rocket. Let it fly!
      Anyway, through the trampoline! Sanctions, so sanctions! yes
  14. combat66
    combat66 22 May 2014 19: 29
    +6
    The Americans won't feel anything. As before, they will stupidly eat their burgers .... they will buy these 5 lard, only sausages for a picnic. When one nation lives like the owner of a "supermarket", it will only be able to feel something when the supermarket is on fire. The fact that they have long lived beyond their means, at the expense of the rest of the world, is clear to everyone. But, the flywheel is too massive, it still turns by inertia, but there is a hope that we will stop the quiet. laughing Let's make a little weight, build and run from state to state for the separatists. fellow
    1. asar
      asar 22 May 2014 20: 17
      +1
      A society of consumers without any special intellectual "inclinations"! laughing
  15. alex47russ
    alex47russ 22 May 2014 19: 31
    +1
    Mattresses themselves pit themselves dripping, and even at such a pace that hell then get out !!! )))
  16. Arh
    Arh 22 May 2014 19: 37
    +1
    Let the mattress dream))))
  17. b.sh.d.13
    b.sh.d.13 22 May 2014 19: 48
    +1
    Enough for our leaders to chew and snot from the USA and Europe! They imposed sanctions and we need to introduce the same. We have enough leverage to push them. What are the little things our statesmen? What are they waiting for? Think they’d change their minds? Yes, no hell like that! We must act with their own weapons, wisely and toughly act!
    1. clidon
      clidon 22 May 2014 20: 42
      -2
      Our "statists" understand that any sanctions are a double-edged sword. And in many places everything is much thinner here than in the west. We have two real levers - Oil and Gas. Oil with a capital letter, gas with a small letter. But the Russian budget also rests on the same levers. Therefore, no one will touch them once again.
      The rest for the USA and Europe is mosquito bites - all the more so that the levers can be counted on the fingers of the hand - space (for the USA more, for Europe less), metals (titanium and aluminum, to some extent copper, the rest will not be noticeable there) .. . All?
      There is also nuclear energy and weapons, but of course, "on the other side" will only be glad of our withdrawal from the market. Rare earth metals, diamonds, gold, timber and industrial products occupy scanty lines.
      The rest of the category "we will not buy something", but alas, our purchases are not that great, or "we will expel someone" - about the same.
      Therefore, it is not worth breaking the "sanctioned" stools once again. Better to slander satirically and think of good things.
  18. andrei332809
    andrei332809 22 May 2014 20: 06
    0
    eh, to invest in perhaps amer production what where there are trampoline producers shares you can buy? recourse
  19. Free Island
    Free Island 22 May 2014 20: 07
    +2
    The winter 2014-2015 geyropa will be drowned with the base gas released from the bearded fart of Conchita Woots, the US space astronautorotuns will be launched on the ISS by jumping on trampolines (whoever doesn’t skip that!)))) .... it looks like the world is turning into a circus, take places in the audience, gentlemen))) show mast go he)))
    1. asar
      asar 22 May 2014 20: 18
      0
      No, the circus has long left! CLOWNS REMAINED! laughing
  20. sania275
    sania275 22 May 2014 20: 07
    0
    Sow the wind, reap the storm.
  21. basmach
    basmach 22 May 2014 20: 12
    0
    Yes, what are you talking about. As long as the "liberal and democratic" economy and industry (and not the state in strategic sectors) flourish, money and profit will be at the forefront and our capitalists do not care about national interests. Just imagine for a moment, the USSR is selling US rocket engines for military satellites. Even those who hinted about it would never have been seen. And here they sell it, with the knowledge and approval of the entire leadership of the country. LIBERALISM and DEMOCRACY, as you want.
  22. sergeschern
    sergeschern 22 May 2014 20: 18
    0
    What did they want? "And eat a fish and climb a pine tree"?
  23. Sergey-ADE2
    Sergey-ADE2 22 May 2014 20: 19
    0
    Quote: The same Lech
    In retaliation, the United States stopped supplying components for the production of satellites ... so the strike turned out to be mutual.
    It is not the United States that terminated this decree of our president to cease the use of foreign technology in the sphere involved in ISS (I have a relationship with this company).
  24. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 22 May 2014 20: 24
    +1
    the use of the RD-180 in the USA is “tied” to a program for launching military satellites.

    well, as they say, God himself ordered the wings of the reconnaissance satellites to be cut. Let me remind you that EBE’s decision to sell RD-180 to the states saved the striped (according to our military experts) 10 billion dollars.
    In the USA, more than 30 launches of carriers with Russian RD-180 are planned, and if these launches are canceled or even postponed, then the losses, according to conservative estimates, will amount to 5 billion dollars.
    Well, at least a little, but the balance needs to be adjusted. Yes, in general, this is not even the case. The main thing now is TIME!
    If the United States decides to switch to developing its own engines of a similar type, capable of replacing Russian ones, then the first result will appear no earlier than 2020, which is unacceptable for NASA.

    And this is to the question of BSU and MSU. Without space grouping, they are simply not feasible. And all systems tied to space will be seriously affected.
    So I want to say: "You are going the right way, comrades!"
  25. Akvadra
    Akvadra 22 May 2014 20: 27
    +2
    As the saying goes, "what they flogged for, that's what they pushed for." Also, probably svidomye.
  26. efimich41
    efimich41 22 May 2014 20: 35
    +2
    For no money should the Americans be given our equipment that they can use against us.
  27. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 22 May 2014 20: 45
    +1
    I suggest selling all the same! BUT! with a bookmark triggered at 51 seconds repeat and we are with grandmothers and interests respected bully
  28. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 22 May 2014 20: 47
    +2
    The ban on the supply of engines in response to US sanctions and aggressive statements by US government officials ... an excellent move.
    The United States will experience the financial (what they most understand) and technological consequences of the stupid behavior of the country's leadership.
  29. sssr
    sssr 22 May 2014 20: 48
    +2
    During the time of perestroika, I heard such a thing that it was as if the states spent about 50-70 billion dollars a year only on espionage in Russian space. At this time, if they lose 5 milliliters, then this is already a good answer to enemy No. 1 from Russia. This is our geopolitical interest.
  30. gozmosZh
    gozmosZh 22 May 2014 20: 53
    +4
    astronauts fucking. Fuck you, not the moon and Mars. Until the year 20, while they will develop their engines, we will already be staking everything with our engines!
    each inhabitant of Russia - 6 acres on the moon and Mars! Gagarin - forever! Hooray!
  31. efimich41
    efimich41 22 May 2014 20: 58
    +3
    For no money should the Americans be given our equipment that they can use against us.
  32. propolsky
    propolsky 22 May 2014 20: 58
    +4
    It is necessary to put on a short leash, the time has passed for democratic smiles and liberal fawning. Go Russia!
  33. gozmosZh
    gozmosZh 22 May 2014 21: 08
    +2
    Nyash, nyash - Our Crimea! Mash, mash - Our Mars!
  34. siberalt
    siberalt 22 May 2014 21: 41
    0
    Not those sanctions. The worst sanction for pi: indosia is constitutional reform in the Russian Federation. And the point.
    1. Korablev
      Korablev 22 May 2014 22: 19
      0
      Quote: siberalt
      Not those sanctions. The worst sanction for pi: indosia is constitutional reform in the Russian Federation. And the point.

      No, it’s not scary - it’s impossible in principle - the government is his they are sitting here.
  35. Krsk
    Krsk 22 May 2014 21: 45
    +1
    when they received the first batch of rd 180 and oh ... zeros. they considered such engines impossible in principle. so it’s not a fact that they can create their own, well, if according to the Chinese method ... exactly, but a copy
  36. homosum20
    homosum20 22 May 2014 21: 50
    +2
    If someone explains to me why we are selling the ENEMY RD-180 - I will be very grateful. This is one of the few puzzles in this world that have remained for me. What could be better than stopping the ENEMY's space program until 2020? (I pretend to be pretending. I know - money is better in one’s own (separate from the Motherland) pocket).
  37. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 22 May 2014 22: 08
    0
    In the USA consider possible losses

    What the hell are the losses? Are trampoline prices so sharp?
    1. Korablev
      Korablev 22 May 2014 22: 41
      0
      Balderis, for your similar "trampolines" you need a lot of green lards for design and preparation of production, therefore - losses. In addition, amers' similar engines will come out a lot more expensive (which only one space fountain pen costs 100 bucks a piece).
  38. Korablev
    Korablev 22 May 2014 22: 16
    0
    If the United States decides to switch to the development of its own engines of a similar type, capable of replacing Russian ones, then the first result will appear no earlier than 2020

    This means that in the design and manufacture of rocket engines, American science and technology lagged behind. least for 6 years ... And this is the legacy of the USSR. Glory to the Soviet designers and technologists of rocket and space technology!
  39. dr.Bo
    dr.Bo 23 May 2014 00: 39
    0
    If the United States decides to switch to developing its own engines of a similar type, capable of replacing Russian ones, then the first result will appear no earlier than 2020, which is unacceptable for NASA.
    Well, just what we need !!!
    Rogozin needs to act, he’s a brave man !!!
  40. Ivan Vasilievich Grozny
    Ivan Vasilievich Grozny 23 May 2014 03: 04
    0
    It feels like, starting in Ukraine, all the current stinker Obama and his white friends did not fully understand that he would end up in his pocket. Now he is feeling, most likely, he doesn't like how it turned out. But being a natural LAMB or MONKEY, he still stands his ground ... Russia needs to be bolder with such stubborn rams. That's when the Americans realize that they've gotten themselves into FULL - then, you see, they will want to reconsider the relationship. Help, Russians, we can't do it without you! Now the main thing for Russia is not to get involved in a big OPEN war in Ukraine. This is their entire calculation amerikosovy.Nu remember, exactly 100 years ago in Europe, the turmoil began, in which Russia got one of the heaviest shares. And who then skimmed the cream? Of course Uncle Sam! But to hell with him, not a big war! Moreover, we have signed large contracts with China. And with such a neighbor (and I hope that a friend), we can still use sanctions. Rd-180 ourselves. Well, if not, then this year Angara should fly. Let her "wave her wings to Obama" over America - ardent greetings to monkeys!
  41. Zomanus
    Zomanus 23 May 2014 05: 21
    +1
    You can not leave their field of play. We must learn to do them in their own field, according to their own rules. While we are selling engines to them, we need to think about where to use production in the future when these engines are not needed.
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 23 May 2014 16: 56
      +1
      Quote: Zomanus
      While we are selling engines to them, we need to think about where to use production in the future when these engines are not needed.

      RD-180 is a half of the RD-170 engine with four combustion chambers instead of two (RD-180).
      The same chambers (with nozzles) are on the RD-171 engines (4 units, but in a movable suspension. It is installed on the Zenit rocket) and on the RD-191 (1 combustion chamber. Used on the Angara launch vehicle and on the Korean launch vehicle "Naro-1").

      They differ only in different performance pumps (of course, on a four-chamber it is four times more productive than a one-chamber).
      I do not think that production will be idle without orders.
  42. Lyton
    Lyton 23 May 2014 06: 25
    0
    Something tells me the Americans will get out and take our engines, NASA isn’t stupid and these sanctions are not good for them, they will just tactfully ask them to return everything to the ass.
  43. Pitman
    Pitman 23 May 2014 06: 25
    0
    Well, if you don’t like trampolines, then as an alternative I suggest using balloons ...... Just dress warmer and have a fair wind for you DeBila !!!!!
  44. San_aa
    San_aa 23 May 2014 06: 44
    0
    Russia needs to seize the moment. It is clear that everyone needs money, but the principle is more expensive. Let trample down until 2020.