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Estonia fails to lure Finland to NATO

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Estonia fails to lure Finland to NATO



Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves said that he was ready to hold talks for Finland on its entry into NATO. In Finland itself, this proposal was met with no enthusiasm, the country's prime minister, Jyrki Katainen, came under criticism for suggesting the possibility of joining NATO, and Finnish President Sauli Niinistö responded to the proposal of the Estonian colleague with a streamlined words about a common defense policy within the European Union. This attitude is explained, firstly, by the fact that Finland greatly appreciates the benefits derived from neutrality in relations with Russia, and secondly, by the fact that, unlike Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, Finns are used to defending themselves.

In the Finnish language, there is an untranslatable and incompatible concept in other languages ​​“sisu”. Sisu includes at the same time courage, courage, fortitude, endurance and perseverance. For ethnographers, Sis is considered one of the defining features of Finnish national identity - it is precisely Sis that is explained by the fact that there is no future time in Finnish. For Finland, sisu is a national brand and one of the main symbols of the country.

It is this outstanding element of national culture that determines the fundamental role of the army in Finnish society. “In Finland, people who have completed military service enjoy the benefits of admission to the public service, when admitting, for example, to the police or to the judiciary. In general, the passage of military service in Finland is an indispensable condition for high social status, ”said Russian military expert, responsible editor of the National Military Review magazine Viktor Litovkin in an interview with RuBaltic.ru. At the same time, Finland is not a member of NATO, although it is located on the border with Russia, 100 was a part of the Russian Empire for years, and fought with the Soviet Union in 1939-1940.

Similar historical the background is in the three Baltic countries, however, for modern Finland, it has the opposite effects in comparison with Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

Instead of a policy of historical memory and an officially imposed version of history, an objective and unemotional approach to the past: that which was, that was, was conquered. Instead of geopolitical fantasies on the topic of the “buffer zone” —the maximum use of the economic benefits of the neighborhood with the gigantic Russian market, and in the political sphere — the benefits of the role of intermediary between Russia and the West. No spying, no “fifth column” - discriminated against national minorities. At the same time, the refusal to join NATO, the army as the most important, along with family and school, social institution and patriotism with a willingness to defend their home country as integral components of the ideology of the sisu.

Someone may not like such a model of society due to different individual preferences, but objectively Finnish society cannot be called ineffective. In terms of per capita GDP for the year 2013 (according to IMF statistics), Finland occupies a place in the world 15 and 8 place in Europe with 47 thousands of dollars in average annual income per inhabitant of the country. For comparison, Estonia takes 42 with 18 thousands of dollars. With an almost threefold difference in incomes and proximity of Estonian and Finnish languages, which correlate with each other roughly as Ukrainian and Russian, it is not surprising that Estonians emigrated to Finland with an endless stream, and the country Suomi was considered ideal for successful modernization since the beginning of 90's Post-Soviet Estonia.

Even more absurd in this context are the attempts of the Estonian leadership to drag its senior partner in NATO, besides playing the role of a teacher in this process.

It is precisely in this role of a mediator and mentor of “inexperienced” in the North Atlantic world of Finland that Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves seems to see himself. Receiving NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen in Tallinn, T. H. Ilves offered him his services as a mediator in the negotiations on the accession of Finland to NATO. It is good to initiate the Northern Partnership program, by analogy with Eastern, so that advanced Estonia could enlighten backward Finland in terms of Euro-Atlantic values ​​in order to pull out the last of Russia's sphere of influence. Then Ilves paid a state visit to Helsinki, where he spoke to students of the Higher Courses of State Defense, urging the Finns to think about joining NATO and join the sanctions against Russia. The initiative of the head of state was picked up by other Estonian politicians: for example, according to Marko Mihkelson, chairman of the parliamentary commission on foreign affairs, "the question is not whether Finland will be in NATO, the question in principle is only about when it will take place."

However, in Finland itself this bravura optimism of its “Estonian brothers” about the country's accession to NATO, to put it mildly, was not understood.

During a joint press conference with Toomas Hendrik Ilves, Finnish President Sauli Niinistö reacted very reservedly to the initiative of the Estonian colleague on integrating Suomi into the North Atlantic Alliance. “Non-NATO countries should not act as if NATO does not exist, but it is wrong to exclude Europe from the process of forming a new security system,” Niynistö said. - Finland and Sweden do not live in a vacuum. Sweden has increased defense spending, we started discussing it in Finland. ”

Earlier, members of the Finnish parliament criticized the government because of its decision to sign an agreement on military assistance in crisis situations with NATO. Government members even had to make excuses: Finnish Minister of Defense Karl Haglund said that an agreement with NATO on technical readiness to accept military aid is not a step towards membership in the Alliance. “In peacetime, we are talking only about training and exercises. In a crisis, we will be able to more effectively accept assistance from Europe, the European Union, Northern Europe and NATO, ”explained the head of the Finnish defense ministry. Foreign Minister Erkki Tuomioja, in turn, confirmed that the agreement with NATO does not imply the adoption of political commitments. Both ministers say the agreement has nothing to do with the Ukrainian crisis. It also does not imply the transit of military forces through the territory of Finland. These statements somewhat smoothed the scandal in Finnish society.

This scandal was caused not only by the fact that the public was not informed about the preparation of an agreement with NATO, but also by the fact that the current government’s program specifically states a clause according to which Finland will not join NATO and will not prepare to join the North Atlantic alliance. .

What caused such a critical attitude of the Finns towards the North Atlantic Treaty Organization? First, there is an understanding that NATO is not just a military organization, but a military-political organization, participation in which involves military-strategic opposition to Russia as the successor of the Soviet Union, against which this bloc was created. After 23, after the collapse of the USSR, NATO was never able to explain what the purpose of their organization is now if the strategic enemy ceased to exist and the new democratic Russia is recognized as an equal part of an open society. At the same time, all this time new bases of the Alliance appeared around the perimeter of the Russian border, Russia itself was denied membership in this bloc, and several NATO members, including the Baltic countries, openly said that NATO still exists to contain "Russian threat ". From the "red" became Russian. Therefore, joining NATO is an instant blow to interstate relations with Russia, and pragmatic Finland, which builds its material well-being at the expense of mutually beneficial business with its giant eastern neighbor, is clearly not interested in this.

Secondly, thanks to the same pragmatic approach, it becomes unclear what kind of benefits to expect Finland from NATO membership. For Finland, joining NATO means getting psychological peace from a guaranteed arrival of allies in the bloc in the event of a Russian attack, paying for this peace by deducting 2% of GDP. Also, the presence of the military bases of the Alliance, foreign guests from which will behave like NATO sailors in Ventspils, Latvia, who “got drunk, celebrated the need in public places and drank, publicly consumed alcohol, which was not allowed, but also disrupted flowers from flower beds to give them to prostitutes ”, according to the mayor of Ventspils Aivars Lembergs.

By the way, in Latvia, the country's political elite unanimously stood up for NATO sailors who protect the country from the military threat. Therefore, you can and suffer that the allies vomit and urinate on the windows - it's all for the sake of the national security of the Republic of Latvia. However, Finland, as its history shows, does not need such angelic patience to ensure its national security: the experience of the 1939-1940 Soviet-Finnish war shows that it was even able to defend its independence from the Stalinist USSR. Probably thanks to the legendary sisu. Isn't this the reason for the polar differences between the Russian-Finnish relations and the relations of Russia with the Baltic countries that the last sysu never had, so they relaxed during those fatal years of World War II and enjoyed what they can’t forgive?
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  1. Khalmamed
    Khalmamed 21 May 2014 07: 34
    +4
    corrupt rags are the prime candidates for the "plan ost" of your Hitlershild idol .... even FINS are smarter and wiser than you ...
    start campaigning for sprats, sprats and flounder ... for each fish a helmet and membership in NATO .. ​​and your house, wives of daughters and yourself under the Anglo-Saxons ....
    1. Duke
      Duke 21 May 2014 07: 44
      +6
      Quote: Khalmamed
      corrupt rags are the prime candidates for the "plan ost" of your Hitlershild idol .... even FINS are smarter and wiser than you ...

      Finns are wise and proud.
      1. builder
        builder 21 May 2014 08: 13
        +6
        They would share their brains with probalts ...
      2. MOISEY
        MOISEY 21 May 2014 08: 24
        +2
        Yes, they still managed to get stuck in the Russian mentality, but there’s no arguing against the imperative of blood.
      3. from punk
        from punk 21 May 2014 08: 28
        +3
        Quote: Duke
        Finns are wise and proud.

        and since when did estonia become a steep negotiator from NATO?
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 21 May 2014 09: 02
          +2
          Quote: punk
          and since when did estonia become a steep negotiator from NATO?

          I was also pleased, Estonians are the main NATO recruiters. smile
  2. sem-yak
    sem-yak 21 May 2014 07: 41
    +1
    Russia needs its own "NATO", and more actively show its position on certain issues! And then, I'm just sure, many will want under the wing of Russia, not SASHAK!
    1. Lk17619
      Lk17619 21 May 2014 08: 00
      +2
      Quote: sem-yak
      Russia needs its own "NATO"

      Exactly. Even if militarily we unite with any country with less troops, the whole of Europe and the United States will begin a sharp upset of the intestines and diapers will not be enough. But seriously, Russia, in my opinion, needs to enter into an alliance by analogy with NATO, India, Iran, Brazil, Cuba and other geopolitically necessary countries, and then the rest who will not rush to NATO to the Russian NATO.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 21 May 2014 08: 29
        0
        Yes, to unite ... here we are all uniting with Belarus, uniting and cannot unite ...
        1. Lk17619
          Lk17619 21 May 2014 09: 04
          0
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          here we are all uniting with Belarus, uniting and cannot unite ...

          Well, actually, the customs union already exists.
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat 21 May 2014 09: 38
            0
            "Customs Union"? Yeah, there is, with settlements in dollars. laughing
            1. Lk17619
              Lk17619 21 May 2014 09: 43
              +1
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              with settlements in dollars.

              Everything has its own time, for 20 years we have been creating a system in dollars, and a lot has been tied to them, we will slowly move away from it, there will be a ruble or yuan, or som it does not matter, but there will be no more bucks.
  3. Denis
    Denis 21 May 2014 07: 42
    0
    Especially ridiculous in this context are the attempts of the Estonian leadership to drag its senior partner into NATO, moreover, playing the role of a teacher in this process
    This is in the economy and temporary difficulties for them, but militarily these migrant workers are unbreakable geyrops
  4. Grenz
    Grenz 21 May 2014 07: 59
    +2
    Author...Instead of the politics of historical memory and the officially imposed version of history - an objective and unemotional approach to the past: that was, it was, they won back ... No spying, no "fifth column" - discriminated against national minorities.
    Again 25.
    With some manic sequence on the site, they stubbornly prove that Finland is white and fluffy.
    She does not have the slightest aspirations towards Russia. And there are only Russians that are not kissed.
    Yes, the Finns do not want to join NATO - but this does not mean at all that in the event of a military conflict, the Finns will remain on the sidelines. That talk of Great Finland with the inclusion of the territory of the North of Russia and the places of residence of the peoples of the Finno-Ugric group is already in the past. Not at all.
    Finns were simply very cautious in their relations with Russia and did not express their views in the ears.
    But that doesn’t mean anything. Anti-Russian sentiment in Finland is no less than in Estonia.
    And that is a fact. Again, pink glasses are imposed on us. How long.
    1. Denis
      Denis 21 May 2014 12: 19
      +1
      Quote: grenz
      Simply, the Finns in relations with Russia were always very careful and did not express their views in the hearing

      There is caution on very strong cement, on the headstock, a lot tied
      And in the greatest estonia, there is already nothing to make money from except bold yapping. So you won’t give much, or you can easily get money at all
      With the launch of Ust-Luga, it became clear to Estonia, it’s really clear about what to do like a bear’s paw, and when they finish building it, they’ll all be a guest worker
      Quote: grenz
      Anti-Russian sentiment in Finland is no less than in Estonia

      Only there they are not elevated to state policy, they do not receive money for that
      1. Grenz
        Grenz 21 May 2014 17: 35
        +1
        Before concluding that Finland is friendly, it’s not a sin to recall what exactly Finnish politicians think (but do not speak openly) about Russia. Apparently the author’s name Johan Backman It’s a known person who has done a lot in defending Russia's interests in Finland. Including, for the protection of our children, who were taken from Russian parents.
        Here are some of his findings: “... many Finnish officials expect Russia to fall apart in 2015–2025, with the result that vast territories will move to Finland.
        (Note: therefore, why join NATO and be a vassal at a banquet, when you can have everything without NATO).
        According to the Finns, Russia is economically an insignificantly small parasite state. The Finnish media broadcast extremely negative information about Russia and Russians. According to the Finns: all Russian women are prostitutes, and men are thieves and bandits.
        Unfortunately, the Russians have formed an overly positive image of Finns and Finnish politics. At all times, Finland presented itself as a benevolent country. But everyone who lived in Finland knows that the atmosphere in Finland is anti-Russian. Finnish revanchist sentiments are hidden. The Finns know that Russians should not openly threaten. ”

        Here are just some of the less stringent assessments of Finland’s attitude towards Russia.
        And therefore, we can’t relax and we must always be ready to correct their SISU in the right direction. This is what I would like to draw your attention to.
        And then, in the author’s opinion, the Finns and without NATO gave a rebuff to the “Stalinist USSR”, and now, in which case, even more so - they inflate SUSU and embed (the author - which Russia), because the Russians do not have a sisu.
        However, the author is modestly silent that after 1939–40 there were years of another war, where the Finnish SISU was torn off by a Russian soldier and put into where it grew up from.
        But this, just the Finns remember very well, unlike the Estonians, who always proudly hid in their swamps and from there finely crap.
        1. Denis
          Denis 21 May 2014 21: 06
          0
          Quote: grenz
          Before concluding Finland's friendliness

          This and where did I call such friends?
          Friendship and unwillingness to fight at least a little different?
          Quote: grenz
          to protect our children, who were taken from Russian parents.

          Hysteria is bloated by the media. Is it like the Turks had a Janissary to recruit?
          Such cases were, is and will be, alas, good at least cases
          And pen jackals believe themselves on ... cheat heavily
          The same howl was when the spouses of different countries shared their children, now is it? Do you think you have stopped sharing? They ceased to howl, the topic became unfashionable
          Quote: grenz
          Here are some of his findings: “... many Finnish officials expect Russia to fall apart in 2015–2025, with the result that vast territories will move to Finland.
          Do they also close the fools in the fight against totalitarianism?
          there is no relationship with a fat, a complete resemblance
          The loss of territories has now become a catastrophic problem, but for whom?
          Quote: grenz
          since Russians don’t have a sisu

          And where did their boobs go, disappeared with Vyborg?
          As a result:nevertheless, the politician of the country does not cry out individual idiots, others may also want, but that’s where their boobs are attached prevents
          And Yanyk’s favorite question, etc. And what about the same pennies ??? also not conducive
  5. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 21 May 2014 08: 01
    0
    Estonians consider themselves "on a horse" now. I remember how 15 years ago the Balts bitterly complained that they were "nothing" and that they had to shout very loudly so that they were at least in loud cries, "something", and complained that if Ukraine would take their side, here then ... and waited. There is no doubt that Ukraine will now be yet another "Baltic" - only in the south and will become another obvious enemy of ours. That is, the "Balts" have waited for their own - Ukraine will become "in the same line" with them in a march against Russia, Russia has once again been exposed as an aggressor and, in the end, is politically and economically isolated, with the Balts, now the EU will count more like, "you see, we warned you that Russia is an aggressor and a tyrant! You can’t do anything with it! Stop it! You see, we, the Balts, have" proved "that we are an" outpost "in the fight against treacherous Russia, and it means we need more funding, more nishtyaks from the EU, as we stand guard over the interests of the EU, bordering on insidious Russia! " The "Balts" are now bursting with pride from the sense of their "victory", from the sense of their importance - they rushed in all their guises as soon as possible to put together an anti-Russian bloc, so to speak in hot pursuit, until the intensity of passions subsided to extract all possible benefits. The "Baltic" ears stick out from practically all the nastiness created for Russia lately. But this is not strange, but something else is strange, namely that Russia continues to economically feed these bastards, continues to feed them through its trade through their territory, by sticking all excise stamps on all alcoholic products coming to us from abroad, for, that the Balts have not sickly deductions, by buying and maintaining "afloat" the Baltic real estate, as well as companies and firms on their territory.
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    2. Altona
      Altona 21 May 2014 08: 41
      +1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      You see, we are the "Balts" who "proved" that we are an "outpost" in the fight against insidious Russia

      ----------------------
      Of course, at the sight of two formidable T-55 tanks and a fast-running battalion of Estonian shooters, Russian quilted jackets will run away from fear ... laughing
  6. Neighbor
    Neighbor 21 May 2014 08: 06
    +5
    Quote: Khalmamed
    even FINA is smarter and Wiser than you ...

    Why EVEN? The Finns have a lot to learn, they are a self-sufficient nation, in contrast to the US-dependent.
  7. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 21 May 2014 08: 10
    +1
    The Balts have a "point" everything is already and is already shrinking ..))) I even feel sorry for them a little (naive evil boys) laughing
  8. yulka2980
    yulka2980 21 May 2014 08: 30
    0
    Well done! So it’s not only good to play hockey smile
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 21 May 2014 08: 39
      +1
      They also know how to make money. We always have Finnish goods valued. And what are the Baltic states now producing from Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia?
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 21 May 2014 10: 32
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        They also know how to make money. We always have Finnish goods valued. And what are the Baltic states now producing from Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia?

        Well ...


        laughing laughing laughing
        1. supertiger21
          supertiger21 21 May 2014 16: 49
          +2
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Well ...


          Selling sprats and herring is also a kind of "business"! laughing
  9. mamont5
    mamont5 21 May 2014 08: 39
    +3
    Finland already regretted joining Germany at one time. Now it will be more careful.
  10. Altona
    Altona 21 May 2014 08: 39
    +1
    Participation in the alliance with the enormous geopolitical appetites of the United States, Finland is of no use at all ... To pull their army across Africa and Asia within the framework of some kind of "partnership", forced to buy expensive useless devices like the F-35? The Finns don't get it for nothing ... In addition, the Swedes thought that they could only oppose the Russian army for 5 days, so maybe it's still better to trade than is spent on NATO weapons and infrastructure?
  11. X Y Z
    X Y Z 21 May 2014 08: 47
    0
    By the way, in Latvia the political elite of the country amicably stood up for NATO sailors who protect the country from a military threat


    And the other, in general, no one expected. All that has happened is an integral part of the behavior of the "defenders" in the banana territories, and for the sake of prim and proud Latvians no one is going to refuse to satisfy their most base needs. It is even part of the demonstration of their certain masculinity and aggressiveness. In general, keep the Baltic states and do not whine. These are your heroes, you will compose your sagas with them.
  12. shuhartred
    shuhartred 21 May 2014 09: 25
    +2
    "The experience of the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940 shows that it was able to defend its independence even from the Stalinist USSR." Oh really? Finland lost that war. The Red Army did not move on just because it had completed its task. Yes, and the British were in advance, stating that they would bomb the Baku oil fields. In general, in that situation, there was no point in continuing to fight. By the way, after the breakthrough of the Mannerheim line, the Finns were the first to ask for peace, because they did not have the opportunity to resist further. Yes, I will be told for the loss. Yes, ours were much higher. But the Finns lost that war.
  13. Aton
    Aton 21 May 2014 11: 19
    +1
    If the Finns are as written, then I respect. As potential opponents. For Russia has no friends except the army and navy.
  14. Thompson
    Thompson 21 May 2014 11: 55
    +3
    Quote: Duke
    Quote: Khalmamed
    corrupt rags are the prime candidates for the "plan ost" of your Hitlershild idol .... even FINS are smarter and wiser than you ...

    Finns are wise and proud.

    They’re just smarter and more perspicacious. They understand that if you don’t hurt Russia, you can live in peace and not bother
  15. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 21 May 2014 12: 31
    +1
    It’s good for the Finns, but why do they need alliances, they understand everything perfectly well not when they don’t attack them, but whoever shit in the stronghold, I think they’ll decide how to somehow Lithuania.
  16. melnik
    melnik 21 May 2014 13: 44
    +1
    Finns ... u, still those shots. I remember in Leningrad. Hefty. Bold on booze. But I have more respect for the Vietnamese. Such stamina in a fight, I never met
  17. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 21 May 2014 14: 30
    +4
    Finland ... Last year, before Catholic Christmas, I had a chance to visit Helsinki. Right in the center, on the station square, there are a bunch of shops where a sale was going on at that time. In one of the FORUM shopping centers, my family was shopping, there were a lot of Russians and everyone was buying something. It was about to close and the tired saleswoman, along with her assistants, smiled through strength and, apparently, was barely dragging her feet. Packing my goods, she looked back at two drunken Russian men who were talking loudly and waving their hands while their wives stood in line to check out. I apologized for this behavior of my compatriots, but the seller, who spoke Russian quite well, answered with a forced smile: "Oh! How are you Russians annoying us! You are not like us, noisy, spontaneous, arrogant ... But thanks to you, my family and I have a job, our wealth is also thanks to you. And we will do everything to make you come here as much as possible, we will try to satisfy all your requests, despite the fact that we do not like much about you ... " So, that's no politics, they just want to eat satisfyingly.
  18. supertiger21
    supertiger21 21 May 2014 16: 54
    +1
    Glad for the Finns good that did not come under the glory of the sixes of the West fellow ! Therefore, countries such as Finland do not have acute ethnic or religious issues and are among the most prosperous, because they look to the future and do not live in the past. What can not be said about Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia negative .
  19. Leshka
    Leshka 21 May 2014 18: 28
    +1
    finns however cleverly fucked