The Kremlin became interested in IL-96 aircraft

Newspaper Kommersant announces that the management of the Voronezh Aircraft Building Society OJSC announced that it agreed on plans for the production of 14 new IL-96 of various modifications up to 2024 of the year. Orders for them came from various government agencies, and one of the aircraft will be made specifically for Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

“To date, plans have been agreed and signed for the production of new Il-96 aircraft of various versions for government customers. These aircraft will be built by us, at the Voronezh aircraft factory. It is assumed that in the period from 2014 to 2024, the year of the whole will be produced and handed over to 14 customers of this type of aircraft in passenger versions with different layouts of the passenger cabin, as well as in special versions, ”said VASO General Director Sergey Yurasov.

According to Yurasov, the plan for the production of IL-96 is “quite ambitious,” but the plant’s specialists “carefully, at all levels, analyzed the possible risks.” At the moment, "the recruitment of personnel, primarily of the main production workers, is actively underway."

Comments

[NOMADE]

The good news is that the deadlines are depressing. 14 cars in 10 years ..

[cosmos111]

The Kremlin became interested in IL-96 aircraft

what were you not interested in before ????
all b ..... bought Boeings .....

IL-96, handsome !!!!
sorry did not live hl .. IL designer ....

[NOMADE]

Moreover, if you redesign the project, apply modern avionics, engines, materials. It will turn out a chic airplane in general, probably it will even be quite competitive (in terms of fuel economy and cost of flight hours) with a Boeing and Airbus.

[older]

Amazing news ... How did you get interested? And what should happen so that you are not interested in the events in Ukraine and the practical collapse of AN? Contracts will now be oh how difficult it is to conclude ...

[Canep]

and one of the aircraft will be made specifically for the Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu.

Shoigu needs to fly not on the IL-96, but on the Tu-160, make a passenger modification and let it fly.

[ziqzaq]

Quote: Canep

Shoigu needs to fly not on the IL-96, but on the Tu-160, make a passenger modification and let it fly.

Yeah, and in a set, for NATO, to design a cruise "humanitarian" missile with increased combat equipment - so as not to suffer ...

[clidon]

It will turn out then certainly not IL-96, but some other kind of machine. Probably good. ) Or maybe not. (

[Irokez]

Quote: NOMADE

Moreover, if you redesign the project, apply modern avionics, engines, materials. It will turn out a chic airplane in general, probably it will even be quite competitive (in terms of fuel economy and cost of flight hours) with a Boeing and Airbus.

And most importantly, four engines, not two like some competitors. It is safer and gliders have always been more reliable and stronger.
I would order them at the place of the state and buy them, and I would lease and lease them to airlines and thereby compete with foreign aircraft and boost my economy. Its closer to the body. So much for investment in industry and jobs, and living standards and independence. Long-term projects quite normally pay for themselves all the more so in our time when instability throughout the world.
It would be better if we were sanctioned to ban the sale of used aircraft from the West.
Or can we take the initiative ourselves? Here Obama will be delighted.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: NOMADE

Moreover, if you redesign the project, apply modern avionics, engines, materials. It will turn out generally a chic airplane, probably it will even be quite competitive ...

The plane is over 30 years old, it is outdated, wouldn't it be better to develop some kind of new Il-106, for example?

[clidon]

The Kremlin was interested in it before - it ordered it on the sly for the Rossiya airline. They'll throw in more money.

[subbtin.725]

Quote: cosmos111

what were you not interested in before ????
all b ..... bought Boeings .....

We are still reaping the fruits of the policy of the 90’s crap: Chubais, Abromovichs, Gaidars, etc. Just think: Berezovsky, headed the Security Council of the Russian Federation. Remembering their names with ordinary people, we observe outbreaks of hatred.

[inkass_98]

Quote: cosmos111

what were you not interested in before ????
all b ..... bought Boeings .....

Well, for the first persons "Boeings" never bought, they flew on their own. And the car is a song! Upgrade it - and go. Only for her, the volume of traffic is needed decent, after all, it is not a corn plant to pollinate hemp in neighboring fields.

[aleks 62]

.... A good plane .... Even after so many years ...

[nov_tech.vrn]

Mr. Livanov was not the chief designer of IL-96

[ShturmKGB]

The plane is serious, the largest passenger, wide-body, Russian ... must be taken!

[clidon]

Given that the project has long been walking on the verge of closure, then this is simply wonderful for the plant - all government and military IL-62 will be replaced by IL-96.

[Cosmos1987]

Here is someone who thinks, but maybe it’s worth cooperating with the Chinese. they may well manage electronics and maybe some other components: interior, chairs, etc. several problems are solved.
1. the plane is better and cheaper
2. there will be an opportunity to enter the Chinese market with wide-body aircraft (the Chinese support their manufacturer more than airbus and Boeing)
3. The Chinese market itself is more developing, therefore, there will be large orders for aircraft of this dimension, if this market is occupied, as a big blow to the airbus and Boeing, if the Chinese themselves begin to produce without the cooperation of Ila

[clidon]

The Chinese are unlikely to invest for a number of reasons. Firstly, they have no experience in the production of modern machines, in fact, as well as complex electronics. The second one. The domestic market of Russia and China will purchase such aircraft only from under a stick - we have neither modern engines, nor, in general, avionics, which is usual in world practice, nor a service system.
Therefore, such a machine can be made as a commercial project (and it will cost a lot) only with the help of state financing. And there is so little money. For narrow tasks, such as government transportation and a platform for the military, the existing IL-96 is quite suitable.

[weaver85]

"We don't have modern engines"
We have the NK-93, which was not allowed to pass tests.

[clidon]

This is more legend than truth.

[Cosmos1987]

the Chinese are copying not bad, that’s the job for them, but as for the engines, everything is right, the Russians do not reach the foreign one in terms of economy, manufacturability, maintainability, etc.

[saag]

14 boards in 10 years, this is called "today we are working in a relaxed state" :-)

[NOMADE]

So, I also thought that they would recruit employees, train, set up a line, apparently introduce changes to the project (electronics, possibly partially into engines and gliders ..), and re-establish contacts with snowfields. This, I think, will take a decent time. This machine has not been produced for a long time. As a result, after that they will start and build, just about 1,5 aircraft a year will be released.

[older]

Quote: saag

14 boards in 10 years, this is called "today we are working in a relaxed state" :-)

You need to be realistic. You can’t get any more with the existing capacities and quality of workers. But most importantly, it will be possible to organize factory vocational schools for this order, open workplaces, and throw money to designers for work ...

[NOMADE]

Here, I agree. While the carriers of experience and workers of the past generation have not lost their way, it is urgent to train a new generation in vocational schools and factories.

[aleks 62]

..... And how did you want ??? How is Boeing riveting 6-8 pieces a year ??? It would be nice .. But for some reason there is no interest in air carriers ... But in vain .. A good car ...

[mig31]

Do we have to take experience, forward and with the song, if the Motherland demands ..

[Kornilovets]

It is necessary to wing your aircraft, and not feed the Boeing, Airbus, etc.

[thinker]

Absolutely right! +100

[Cosmos1987]

IL-96 Shoigu will not be greasy, but if to each minister IL-96, and deputies Tu-214 ?!

[NOMADE]

About the purpose of this side, nothing is said. Perhaps he will serve as the headquarters of the control. I think it’s unlikely that it will be like a VIP plane .., for transportation of the 5th point.

[Cosmos1987]

"specially for Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu !!!"
why then not write for MO?
MO is his personal?


http://www.newsru.com/russia/16may2014/il.html

which in particular says "According to Kommersant, the Defense Ministry plans to purchase 11 aircraft, including PERSONALLY for the head of department Sergei Shoigu."

[NOMADE]

Well, the journalists wrote. They sometimes do not give such pearls.

[Cosmos1987]

Any questions?)

[NOMADE]

) I also say that the journalists wrote - "Kommersant". They can write not that. In the same place, it is not written for what purpose this aircraft is.

[Cosmos1987]

We will wait for. information.

[clidon]

Well, now IL-62, will be replaced by IL-96. Everything seems to be in rank, but of course it's too big. Anyway, there is no other with the same range.

[avia1991]

I don’t know how it WILL BE - but Shoigu, being the Minister of Emergencies, did not fly on "his" board just like that - he always carried something urgent, or he threw a bunch of specialists with him.
But in case of urgency - there will always be a SU-27UBM with a double cab

[Simon]

Most likely, we need training of personnel and equipment for the construction of these aircraft.

[mamont5]

So the IL rises to the wing. Happy flight to him.

[clidon]

He has been rising for so long. Orders by plane per year, he has a long time.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

“Recruitment is actively being conducted, primarily of the main production workers.”

It pleases new jobs ..

[Dromac]

This is just great! I hope there will be upgraded sides. And then maybe someone else will catch up with the desire to purchase this unit. In any case, this is a step forward ..

[jayich]

At VASO, another 3 il-96-400 (cargo modification) are gathering dust.
I wonder if it is possible to replace the engines with new engines from the il-476?

[clidon]

The IL-96 and IL-76MD-90 (IL-476) use the same engines - PS-90. So if you order, then it is quite possible to repair. However, who needs them - these IL-96-400? The owner is definitely not.

[Papakiko]

Quote: clidon

However, who needs them - these IL-96-400

Chartirs to all kinds of places in the world (Thailand, Turkey, Egypt, Cuba, Dominica, etc.)
and personally, I would only fly to them (provided that the seats will be in accordance with the norms of the USSR!) a solid business class!
And then in Thailand 6-8 hours on "loaves" and "watermelons", happiness ZERO!

[clidon]

These are trucks in general then. And the seats are no longer placed by the country and the modification of the liners but the orders of the companies.

[Cosmos1987]

and so on the IL-476 are PS-90A-76, on the IL-96 PS-90A

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%A1-90%D0%90-76

[Hope1960]

Fine! Voronezh and the region really need income in the form of taxes, jobs, and the city, the subway!

[Irokez]

Quote: Hope1960

and the city is the metro

Metro is a controversial and problematic issue. Not everything is as simple as it seems.

[Victor1]

There is no way to build a metro in Voronezh, but monorails need to be built.

[grandfather_Kostya]

In this matter, the main thing is to support experienced personnel and transfer experience to young people. Good specialists should not trade onions in the market.

[silverwolf88]

The plane was good ... just the corresponding engines for it were not created.

If we now modernize avionics ... add composites in the elements of the airframe (to reduce weight) and choose a more economical engine with the appropriate thrust and service life ... we get an even better machine.

[Wiktoor]

So you want your own flew, swam (walked), went.
The fact that 14 cars in 10 years, because everything is destroyed.
Now recruit staff, train, adjust, deliver.
I really hope that this is the beginning and not the end.

[KononAV]

Horrible numbers at such a production rate, this plane will never get on the wing. Let's hope MS-21/400 will do more

[grandfather_Kostya]

MS-21 is not a competitor of IL-96 in flight range.

[uralkos]

The main thing is that the young would be interested. The guys are developed, they just can’t find any application for themselves, the salary is at the level, and there are fewer administrative personnel devouring the salary fund. And do not put the Jews at the head of the design bureau, forever stifling development, administrators x..y.

[Chicot 1]

The Kremlin became interested in IL-96 aircraft

It is strange that he did not do this before ...

[wizarden]

Correct solution. First, our government must fly our planes. Secondly, if we do not build wide-body aircraft, then after 3-4 years we will lose both the qualifications and suppliers for this type of airliners. This must not be allowed. In general, of course, we need a new model, with 2 engines. Well, or while upgrading the 96th in terms of engines and control systems, as was done with the 76th.

[Irokez]

Quote: wizarden

In general, of course, we need a new model, with 2 engines.

I do not agree - security is reduced. It is better to let four and figs with it which is more expensive, but safer.

[wizarden]

With 4 airlines do not take - not profitable. And to make 4 dvigles work more economically than 2 is not realistic.

[clidon]

Let’s do 6 engines, what’s already there. ) Modern cars and the spirit of the engines show the wonders of reliability.

[rugor]

It would be interesting to see a comparison of characteristics with competitors.

[nov_tech.vrn]

IL-96 is not satisfied with the management of Aeroflot, which only likes American planes, in general all companies with state participation with us operate independently of the state, and the so-called representatives of the state take into account any interests other than state ones.

[A1L9E4K9S]

And why can't the defense minister of such a great state have an official plane? Shoigu, on the other hand, is not the Israeli Minister of Defense, who flew on business flights on airplanes, like an ordinary passenger, and now the Ministry of Defense is buying a Boeing for him, and why are we worse than Israel?

[Dimon-chik-79]

More! More domestic aircraft! Go broke on licenses for the production of modern engines and go! Buy technology and not finished products
Ilyushin, Tupolev, Yakovlev - yes, we have enough of our manufacturers!

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Well, finally waited! I, by a sinful affair, quietly said goodbye to the dream of reproducing the 96s.

[northern]

the only long-range wide-body production available to government agencies from non-NATO countries. so there is nothing surprising in preserving it in the production program.

[jagdpanzer]

steep volumes no doubt .. Reminds the concentration camp rations so that they do not die but no more .. I understand that we will not catch up with the USSR, but 14 pieces in 10 years are crumbs.

[Victor1]

An excellent plane, reliable and safe, it is a pity because of all the "effective managers" did not become widespread.
It is necessary to introduce duties and taxes on Boeing and airbuses, so that companies buy Russian planes, the Russian aircraft industry should develop.

[anfil]

All IL-96 aircraft currently flying in Aeroflot were assembled in the first half of the 1990. In exchange for reducing import duties on foreign equipment, Aeroflot pledged to purchase an additional batch of IL – 96, but the deal did not take place, although the duties were reduced.

In 2005 – 2006, three Il – 96 – 300 were delivered to Cuba, including one to serve the president of Cuba. In 2009, the Venezuelan government signed a contract for the supply of two Il-96-300 - one for passenger, the other for VIP-transportation. In the fall of 2008, the IFC leasing corporation seized two Il-96-300 from Krasnoyarsk Airlines due to the company's insolvency.

In 2009, the flight airline began operating the Il – 96 – 400T cargo planes, which Aeroflot initially planned to buy, but subsequently abandoned them. As of September of the 2009 of the year, there are three IL-96-400Т airlines in the airline with a plan to receive three more aircraft in the 2010 year.

Commercial operation of the aircraft began on July 14 on the 1993 of the year on the Moscow – New York route. At first, the plane was used on mainly foreign flights: to Singapore, Las Palmas, New York, Tel Aviv, Palma de Mallorca, Tokyo, Bangkok, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Rio de Janeiro, Buenos– Aires, Seoul, Sao Paulo, Havana, Hanoi, Santiago, Limu.
Flight performance IL-96

[clidon]

According to the registry in operation are
8 cars in service of the Russian government and 3 in Cubans. Another is at the disposal of Ilyushin Design Bureau.

The Polyot company decommissioned trucks of this type in the summer of 2013. Aeroflot began the process of decommissioning its Il-96s last year and completed their decommissioning on March 30 this year. However, there may be more buyers on them.

[Victor1]

I am aware, as well as aware of how Aeroflot threw the IL96 manufacturer, abandoning it, while receiving discounts on duties. They abandoned the aircraft, but they capitalized on the reduction of duties. the IL96 crews were paid less than the crews of foreign aircraft.
IL96 in a number of indicators surpasses its Western counterparts, it is safer and more stable in flight.
It’s time to introduce duties and taxes on boenges and airbuses,
so that companies buy modernized IL96, Tu204, Tu334 and our other aircraft. stop buying foreign trash already.

[clidon]

Well, what about safer (and what is stable) I would not say so clearly. The machine is clearly and very outdated. Moreover, there is clearly no money for the new project, and the old one will suit the military. 11 cars out of 14 will go to them. Maybe before IL-96 the prospect of a tanker and the CPSU will open.

[Victor1]

The pilots say that where the boengi bursts like a fig knows what, il96 flies "like on rails." It may be a bit old, but if you slightly modify its latest modification, it will not be inferior to anything, and you can make any cabin for passengers according to the client's order.

[clidon]

I don’t know what the pilots say, I have never heard of any special “stability” of the Il-86 and its “long-range” brother. The car is already outdated in all respects - and the "board" is old (and even little-known in the world), 4 not the best engines (although you need two powerful ones, but where do you get them), an outdated airframe with zero composite content. I agree one thing - in fact, you can make any salon.
All this puts an end to (or rather, has long been put) on the machine as a commercial one, even if it is "slightly modified", but in fact, almost everything is altered. Will we only drive all carriers with a stick? A stick in a capitalist state should be used carefully, you can break everything. It is a pity for the people and the plant - that is why orders from the military will not die of hunger. In the meantime, engage in "live" projects, like the same MS-21.

[Nitarius]

it is necessary to bend Aeroflot, etc. to order it!

[clidon]

Aeroflot only wrote them off. 4-engine cars are not profitable.

[Figvam]

even if it would be done and that’s good
what is it really a sin to hide, I thought I had already buried the 96th

[Michael_59]

Quote: Cosmos1987

PERSONAL for the head of department

Are you sorry, or what? I personally - categorically FOR the presence of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation personal side!
Not Honduras, Tea - Russia ...

[VSC]

Our planes have always been the best, and the fact that they are scolded (passenger) is not the design bureau's fault, but there was such a state order. And now (apparently for good kickbacks) they bought Boeing and other stuff that flew out all possible resources. We have IL, there are technical specifications, so they need to be built and used, and air traffic is simply prohibited from purchasing.

[zinander]

Is it really clear-sighted? Maybe the Kremlin will also be interested in Carcasses? How much can the air industry be destroyed by all kinds of people?

[Monk]

Finally

[dmitrij.blyuz]

These are trucks in general Uhhh. Much detail? Take an interest in Aviation sometimes.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Fly? IL-96.