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After the bloody events in Odessa and Slavyansk, people seemed to have woken up - the commander of the Donbas militia

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After the bloody events in Odessa and Slavyansk, people seemed to have woken up - the commander of the Donbas militia



8 May in the information center "South-Eastern Front" was a Skype-inclusion from Donetsk with the participation of the commander of the Militia of Donbass Miroslav Rudenko.

“Donetsk People's Republic is living now by referendum. The people are actively involved in its preparation. People act as a united front. Residents of Donetsk want, as soon as possible, to secede from the Kiev junta and live their life and go forward. We live in conditions of direct military aggression and feel a very hard pressure from the Ukrainian military. All this Kiev authorities and the Ukrainian media hide from the people.

The last three days we have seen a huge influx of volunteers ready to defend their land. These are people who went through military service, the war in Afghanistan. After the bloody events in Odessa and Slavyansk, people seemed to wake up. If earlier they went to peaceful protests, now is the time for decisive action. It is understood that salvation is in their own hands.

A battalion of volunteers was created under Slavyansk, people were captured by a single patriotic impulse, there was iron discipline.

Putin’s proposal at first confused us a little. But the junta rejected the proposal for peace and is not going to stop the punitive operation. Under these conditions, we decided not to move the dates of the referendum. Residents of Donetsk are ready to accomplish their civil feat and come to the 11 May Referendum. ”
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  1. Stalevar
    Stalevar 9 May 2014 07: 03
    +92
    We are waiting for the expression of the will of the people of the South-East. He will dot all the i's. Then it will be clear what the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk want. There will be something to build on when making further decisions.
    1. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 9 May 2014 07: 17
      +110
      Quote: Stalevar
      We are waiting for the expression of the will of the people of the South-East. He will dot all the i's.

      Happy Victory Day, Brothers! Courage to you! You are doing a great thing - you are fighting against fascism and the world evil of a new kind - the USA. All of Russia with you! We are one, and may God help us!
    2. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 9 May 2014 07: 37
      +65
      100 poods will vote for secession, and how the West will react to it again, the tantrum will be with Obama the monkeys and Merkel, they will frighten us again, well, let's pretend that we were scared, and scare them so that they crap.
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 9 May 2014 11: 58
        +56
        But the junta has rejected a peace offer and is not going to stop the punitive operation.



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        4. GRANATE-19
          GRANATE-19 9 May 2014 18: 30
          +16
          Quote: Z.O.V.
          But the junta has rejected a peace offer and is not going to stop the punitive operation.




          When "it" arrives in the city, the local priests, who are still Narmal, begin to summon exorcists!
          Vade retro, Satana (lat. Isid, Satan) - Latin winged expression, as well as the name of the Catholic prayer.
          Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
        5. daemon
          daemon 9 May 2014 19: 52
          +31
          let Julia reveal her true face ...
      2. Andrey77
        Andrey77 9 May 2014 12: 59
        +5
        Separation from Kiev does not mean joining Russia. Ukraine is now split into many small principalities. Which is sad. It is impossible to displace the junta by armed means, for many reasons.
        1. mejik
          mejik 9 May 2014 14: 33
          +36
          In Slavyansk, the FREEDOM ARMY seized two hail installations of the Ukrainian army
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 9 May 2014 20: 05
            +14
            Quote: mejik
            In Slavyansk, the FREEDOM ARMY seized two hail installations of the Ukrainian army

            Military than you think, an ass or something ?. It's time to go over to the side of the people, do you really want to be slaves to the Americans.
            1. Rostovchanin
              Rostovchanin 9 May 2014 20: 43
              +11
              Military than you think, an ass or something ?. It's time to go over to the side of the people, do you really want to be slaves to the Americans.

              BBC
              PM20:06
              More than a hundred Ukrainian military surrendered to militias near Donetsk
              Hundreds of armed supporters of federalization surrounded the Shakhtyorskiye Zori sanatorium in the Budyonnovsky district of the city, where the Ukrainian internal troops were stationed, Ukrainian Pravda reports. The militias arrived at the sanatorium, where about 120 Ukrainian soldiers were stationed, in KamAZ trucks.
              1. Sandov
                Sandov 9 May 2014 21: 32
                +3
                Quote: Rostovchanin
                Military than you think, an ass or something ?. It's time to go over to the side of the people, do you really want to be slaves to the Americans.

                BBC
                PM20:06
                More than a hundred Ukrainian military surrendered to militias near Donetsk
                Hundreds of armed supporters of federalization surrounded the Shakhtyorskiye Zori sanatorium in the Budyonnovsky district of the city, where the Ukrainian internal troops were stationed, Ukrainian Pravda reports. The militias arrived at the sanatorium, where about 120 Ukrainian soldiers were stationed, in KamAZ trucks.

                Hope with weapons and ammunition.
            2. oenaraevskija
              oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 05: 42
              +3
              I’m supporting, stop bending before the invaders
            3. alauda1038
              alauda1038 10 May 2014 12: 09
              +3
              Well, they dream of comparing with the standard of living and salaries with the United States, only America for the Americans; the rest are many of the service staff for 23 years.
          2. serge siberian
            serge siberian 10 May 2014 16: 18
            +2
            why post a video and modestly delete? how so? something I don’t understand? and who is so modest?
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        3. Sandov
          Sandov 9 May 2014 21: 31
          +6
          Quote: Andrey77
          Separation from Kiev does not mean joining Russia. Ukraine is now split into many small principalities. Which is sad. It is impossible to displace the junta by armed means, for many reasons.

          Independent New Russia will pass completely. It’s impossible to live with fascists.
          1. oenaraevskija
            oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 05: 43
            +2
            12 points !! WELL DONE
          2. alauda1038
            alauda1038 10 May 2014 12: 11
            0
            southeast still have to make a choice either east or west
        4. oenaraevskija
          oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 05: 41
          +5
          this is not a junta. This is natural FASCISM. As Stalin said: "if the enemy does not surrender, he is destroyed." This is the only way to do it
        5. ksv1973
          ksv1973 11 May 2014 22: 52
          +1
          Quote: Andrey77
          Separation from Kiev does not mean joining Russia. Ukraine is now split into many small principalities. Which is sad. It is impossible to displace the junta by armed means, for many reasons.

          You, Andrey77, are a little wrong! hi Russia will not tolerate many small principalities at its side, just under the southwestern side.
          And Russia has every right to displace the Kiev junta by armed means.
          At least based on the decisions of the Nuremberg Tribunal.
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      3. 341712
        341712 9 May 2014 13: 53
        +26
        Quote: platitsyn70
        let's pretend that we were scared

        When the GDP asked the Donetsk people to postpone the referendum, it turned white in their eyes. I think EVERYTHING has merged ... The Swiss "stepped on the tail." Later I looked at it, analyzed it and understood !!!
        Quote: platitsyn70
        Well, let's pretend that we were scared, and scare them so that they crap.
        1. Salamander
          Salamander 9 May 2014 16: 58
          +74
          With all due respect to DNA, they do nothing. Why are not flying units created in the same Lugansk? They have two disposable RPGs per person! In Mariupol, some three infantry fighting vehicles scamper around the city and scorch in all directions. Why aren't they still burning?
          Is a cocktail hard to make? There are already dozens of wounded there! Why can not the junta arrange Chechnya? After all, the night before yesterday, from one grenade from a grenade launcher, they beat each other for two hours and destroyed their hammer against fear. Where are the night raids on fascist bases? Until they are organized, beat the Nazis, brothers. Do not let them come to their senses. Remember the commandments of Suvorov and victory will be yours!
          1. 76rtbr
            76rtbr 9 May 2014 18: 32
            +9
            hope, sadly, in Russian !!! hope for a friend (god), but don’t be bad yourself !!!!
            1. Vitali-46
              Vitali-46 9 May 2014 19: 54
              +19
              Peace be with you gentlemen !!! That's it! Everyone is waiting for Russia! Our help is ..... There are a million people in Odessa! After the events of May 2, how many people came out to protest .... One thousand!? Two!? When the whole people get up, then all these right-handed guys-hammocks, they themselves will run towards Kiev !!!! I congratulate all on the GREAT VICTORY DAY OF VICTORY !!!!!!! With respect to YOU!
              1. Saratovets
                Saratovets 9 May 2014 21: 13
                +3
                Yes, do not care for everything, Ours are waiting for us there, and those who are not with us are either marginals or enemies
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              3. GRANATE-19
                GRANATE-19 9 May 2014 21: 35
                +4
                Quote: Vitaliy-46
                When the whole people get up, then all these pravoseki-gamoseki, themselves will run towards Kiev!

                There they need to be surrounded and arrested (until they have licked their boots for the owners), and condemned by an open process as war criminals, and the accusatory side must be presented by NATALYA Poklonskaya!
                Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
                1. DimychDV
                  DimychDV 10 May 2014 04: 45
                  +5
                  There is a Ukrainian proverb: "God help you!" - "By God, you helped me." Handle it yourself. Seek the right to be heard by writing banners in English and German.
                  We can not yet. Russia at an accelerated pace, without the slightest delay, is working out ALL the diplomatic methods of PEACEFUL, LEGAL attempts to defend itself - and invariably stumbles upon blindness, refusal, unwillingness to dialogue, non-recognition of the interests of Russia and Ukrainian Russians, ignoring, provoking, moving the Westerners to confrontation and civil war, for EVERYTHING, what they have done so far has definitely been sharpened precisely for this. They sought in the EU - but no one in Kiev listens to the EU's admonitions. Europe does not need a warring one, it needs an occupied, but peaceful and trading Ukraine to the detriment of itself. But the USA in Ukraine is only interested in fire. Since 1999, they have been fueling in the underbelly of Russia (and, by the way, of the whole of Europe too!) One continuous smoldering node - from Yugoslavia and North Africa to the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomy of China and to Kyrgyzstan. In disputes with the pro-Kiev Ukrainians (and with the gay people too!), Invite them to shade over the years those countries into which America has intervened since 1999. And everything will become clear. And those who gloat that Russia needs it - say that today they, with their own hands, turn their homeland into a pile of firewood, all for the same cosmtra. That's just fools do it out of enthusiasm. And such as the maydanut power and the oligarchs have successfully mastered all these 5 billion dollars over these 23 years. And today (After the reminder of Victoria Nulant) they work out this money with Ukrainian blood. And all their actions are imprisoned - for war.
                  Russia will follow the entire list of peaceful methods of normalization. Obviously, he will make several more supernumerary, non-standard attempts at reconciliation. The world, in the end, will see who wants peace and who shoots and starts provocations. That is why Donbass’s tactics are still passive. But when the people already express their will, in a referendum, the militias and the people's authorities will have a mandate of trust from the population. And if Kiev has enough patience to wait when Putin SPEAKS, then they will all WAIT. Not immediately, but soon enough.
                  1. Klarsen
                    Klarsen 11 May 2014 00: 47
                    +1
                    I completely agree with you. Nevertheless, there should have been more active actions on the part of the citizens of Donbas. In this case, there would be less civilian casualties, because mercenaries and fascist elements would know that they would receive a rebuff worthy and adequate to their intentions. But they are not ready to die. Know that they are doing dirty work, vile and low.
              4. zaboyschik
                zaboyschik 9 May 2014 22: 45
                +3
                Are you crazy? In Mariupol already left today without weapons and what.
                1. AVIATOR36662
                  AVIATOR36662 10 May 2014 02: 13
                  +5
                  At such a time, every man should be with a weapon, not a smartphone and a can of beer, as can be seen from all the reports from the places of events from Mariupol, and even earlier from Odessa.
                  1. oenaraevskija
                    oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 05: 52
                    +2
                    Odessa is a separate story. For IT you need to kill on the spot
                2. oenaraevskija
                  oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 05: 50
                  0
                  So what? Those who went out without weapons against the armed are fools. There RPG, at least 7 are needed
              5. oenaraevskija
                oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 05: 46
                0
                VITKA - YOU done well !! SUPPORT
          2. svd-xnumx
            svd-xnumx 9 May 2014 19: 37
            +4
            punishers in Mariupol civilians kill:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kno4MEp9sPY
            1. Sandov
              Sandov 9 May 2014 20: 10
              +9
              Quote: svd-xnumx
              punishers in Mariupol civilians kill:
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kno4MEp9sPY

              Slavs are destroyed at the behest of the Americans. Wake up people.
              1. family tree
                family tree 9 May 2014 21: 13
                +15
                Quote: Sandov
                Slavs are destroyed at the behest of the Americans. Wake up people.

                From Donetsk, directly from the Parade, the militia in Mariupol rushed.
                1. Sandov
                  Sandov 9 May 2014 21: 35
                  +6
                  Quote: perepilka
                  Quote: Sandov
                  Slavs are destroyed at the behest of the Americans. Wake up people.

                  From Donetsk, directly from the Parade, the militia in Mariupol rushed.

                  There is no video about the parade in Slavyansk, sorry. I hope Slavyansk will become a symbol of the new Ukraine (New Russia).
                  1. family tree
                    family tree 9 May 2014 22: 14
                    +9
                    Quote: Sandov
                    I hope Slavyansk will become a symbol of the new Ukraine (New Russia).

                    Yes, it has already become! One name worth it!
                    1. oenaraevskija
                      oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 05: 54
                      +2
                      120% fully support
                  2. Anna Kirichuk
                    Anna Kirichuk 10 May 2014 23: 57
                    0
                    In Sevastopol, near the Eternal Flame, there are symbols of all Hero Cities. Sevastopol residents closed up the name "Kiev" with the name "Slavyansk" !!! And they wore flowers to this Hero City !!! It's a shame for the people of Kiev, they fell under the fascists ... And near the symbol of Odessa, there are a lot of flowers, candles, icons ...
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                3. GRANATE-19
                  GRANATE-19 9 May 2014 21: 44
                  +6
                  Quote: perepilka
                  Quote: Sandov
                  Slavs are destroyed at the behest of the Americans. Wake up people.

                  From Donetsk, directly from the Parade, the militia in Mariupol rushed.

                  Symbolism and parallels on the face, and indeed the circumstances unfortunately coincide!
                  If only to defeat this hydra, which has now settled overseas and abroad, and from there command its Nazi-Bandera henchmen!
                  UNIT THE SLAVES BEFORE THE FACE OF NAZI UNCLEAN !!!
                  Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
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            2. oenaraevskija
              oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 05: 53
              0
              So you need to adequately answer
          3. Sandov
            Sandov 9 May 2014 20: 08
            +7
            Quote: Salamander
            With all due respect to DNA, they do nothing.

            It's time to peel this junta seriously. Every day, losses from the people. Heart bleeds.
          4. oenaraevskija
            oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 05: 45
            0
            Very competently said 12 points
          5. Shur
            Shur 10 May 2014 11: 03
            +1
            A hedgehog would be welded too. The devil went the Nazis in Mariupol. The technique must be burnt. Without her, these brown dogs will die down.
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          7. _Forgiven_
            _Forgiven_ 10 May 2014 22: 57
            0
            In Slavyansk, night raids are regularly done. Trophies are said to replenish the ranks. For the valiant national guard, a whole brainstorm from the fact that Chechens roam around the forests at night. They say Ukrainian army from every rustle in the bushes scorching from Kalash at night
        2. mihasik
          mihasik 9 May 2014 17: 15
          +30
          When the GDP asked the Donetsk people to postpone the referendum, it turned white in their eyes. I think EVERYTHING has merged ... The Swiss "stepped on the tail." Later I looked at it, analyzed it and understood !!!

          It seemed so to himself at first glance, but Putin is not Yeltsin or Medvedev! Before using force, Vladimir Putin showed everyone that he had done everything for a peaceful solution to the problem, that Russia was not an aggressor, but that they were not listening to us and were not hearing. Moreover, they are forced to use force. Therefore, the flags are placed correctly))

          At least, as I understand it.
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          2. GRANATE-19
            GRANATE-19 9 May 2014 18: 51
            +18
            Quote: mihasik
            Therefore, the flags are placed correctly))

            Well said! Indeed, Putin cannot be occupied with intellect and any chess grandmaster can learn from him, since history (albeit recent) shows that VLADIMIR VLADIMIROVICH is both smart and cunning, honest and able to win, and as an honest, noble man and officer he does not finish the defeated the enemy. But nobility is worth a lot, especially in today's political arena, and it bribes and draws its opponents closer to it, but it simply unites friends and rallies it with RUSSIA MATUSHKA and personally with PUTIN!
            Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
            1. Yurban
              Yurban 9 May 2014 23: 37
              +3
              Well done, I respect this is what I tried to express, but could not put his thoughts in a heap, apparently until he matured, thank you dear.
          3. oenaraevskija
            oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 05: 58
            +1
            BROTHER !! You got it right. only, as in that joke "we will quietly descend from the mountain and kill the whole herd." BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT IS TO REMOVE ALL Fascists
        3. Saburov
          Saburov 9 May 2014 17: 34
          +37
          Poorly analyzed, Putin made this statement firstly, that he knew in advance that the junta would respond, they say, you see, the junta refused, and Russia "agreed" on the roadmap with Europe and the United States, and secondly, he clearly drew the Kremlin's line through the European media that we "allegedly" we do not influence and do not control the situation in the South-East of Ukraine, so that there is no reason for sanctions. A very competent move, practically pulled it out in one thread.
          1. jjj
            jjj 9 May 2014 20: 18
            +8
            Russia in the West was considered a party to the conflict. Putin tried to pull Russia aside. Will it work out? We'll find out in a week. Although sanctions in Europe have already been agreed. The third decade of May will put a lot in their places. And they noticed: at the parade in Moscow the troops were not in full dress, but in everyday field uniforms. And the president’s arrival in Sevastopol is symbolic
          2. Shur
            Shur 10 May 2014 12: 40
            0
            They said, did not say, knew, did not know those whom they shot did not feel better. The good news is that with these puppet ghouls they do not directly enter into polemics. They are beyond any concepts and laws. Any ukronazist criminal before humanity.
            And why have the sanctions been lifted or stopped talking about them? Yes, everything is there for the most part at the top in the course in this swamp-Europe. They fulfill and will fulfill the will of the owners from the United States. They have not yet spoken from these positions. How propaganda "goes", like the real position of Russia, it is flawed. The European media have been distorted and distorted 10 times as usual. They will suck the reason for the sanction out of the "finger", for the first time perhaps? Here is what it is, beyond which the GDP will simply not be appropriate to play diplomatic curtsy, but to demand, demand and ask from visiting emissaries in direct response? Apparently this event is not far off. The bloody snout of the West has already come off another piece of human flesh and is almost not covered by another mask, chomps and grins at Russia. The guise of the preachers of "peace" crawls off these vile cannibals before our very eyes.
            We need more "mouthpieces" abroad and support for those who are ready to speak the truth in the very abode of Western evil and hypocrisy. The leaders of more or less free countries themselves speak about this. In order to convey to these fat-swollen and snickering Europeans and, most importantly, Americans, that they eat every day and rejoice at their fellows in recycled form, in beautiful packages. And that when this stupid one raises his eyes, then the next "boar" from this herd will go to feed his fellows.
            In the meantime, they chomp approvingly and only a few "initiates" are trying to convey the TRUTH to this herd, then everything will be as before. When they break away from the trough and begin to turn inside out some who are not yet bored by their brethren, it will be possible to appeal to human values ​​and reason. Just how many more people will they gobble up and process into hamburgers before?
        4. Saratovets
          Saratovets 9 May 2014 21: 11
          0
          Quote SUPER, neighing for 5 minutes!
        5. kombat58
          kombat58 10 May 2014 00: 12
          +10
          GDP gave the geyrope the last chance, it didn’t, however, as always!
          The next move is for GDP!
          Off topic, but I can't resist. What a great day today. I was at the Parade in Sevastopol, and when it started to rain at 10-00 at the beginning of the Parade, everything inside trembled, but not one left, as they stood with a WALL, and remained! Well, for a few minutes they opened their umbrellas over the children. But as soon as the column appeared, all the umbrellas were removed. The rarest case of such cloudy weather in May in Sevastopol, but EVERYTHING IN THE HEART. I have been living in Sevastopol since 1970, and I don’t remember SUCH NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON ITS STREETS! One could meet from all over Russia! All Crimea has gathered! Watch the reports. The most powerful parade. The air parade for the first time of this scale in Sevastopol! And "Swifts" and "Knights" are simply breathtaking. He was related to the Black Sea Fleet aviation, saw the celebration of Aviation Day in 1984 and 1985 in Saki (Novofedorovka) who knows, he will understand. And I will say I was delighted with the "Cuban Diamond"! You can take a look at the infographics on ITAR-TASS, but live is quite another matter!
          1. oenaraevskija
            oenaraevskija 10 May 2014 06: 01
            0
            Rain is purification. So everything is correct. GUYS, PEOPLE OF CRIMEA, I AM FOR YOU
          2. Anna Kirichuk
            Anna Kirichuk 11 May 2014 00: 10
            0
            I flew from Chukotka for the day. And she was also struck by such an EMOTIONAL UNITY !!! To tears! The children of Sevastopol were amazed - after all, everyone had come long before the Parade began to take places and see everything. Personally, I waited about 2 hours, and there were many children near me, not just schoolchildren, but also preschool children. While they waited, it began to rain. And NONE of the children (not to mention the adults) did not leave, none of the children had ever whimpered, tired, I want to go home, etc. And when the parade began, the children sincerely shouted Hurray! Russia, Russia! clapping! There are no words to convey all the emotions! Well, who else has doubts that someone forced Crimeans and Sevastopol residents to make their choice on March 16. VICTORY you, friends! Thank you for your courage and your wisdom!
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          4. ksv1973
            ksv1973 12 May 2014 20: 01
            0
            Quote: kombat58
            A rare case is such cloudy weather in May in Sevastopol, but ALL SURE AT THE SOUL.

            Notice, on June 24 of the 1945 of the year in Moscow it was also raining. And who after this will say that the May 9 parade of May 2014 in Sevastopol is not the historic Second Victory Parade ?!
            And God is a witness, FAR NOT the last !!!
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        7. siberalt
          siberalt 10 May 2014 06: 48
          0
          The GDP proposal to postpone the referendum date is a strong political move. First of all, it hits those who claim that Russia is to blame for everything. And only contributes to the determination in its implementation.
      4. grin
        grin 9 May 2014 14: 02
        +9
        100 poods will vote for secession, and how the West will react to it again, Obama will have a tantrum of a monkey and Merkel, they will frighten us again, well, let's pretend that we were scared, and scare them so that they crap. To the Lamans.
        1. dkflbvbh
          dkflbvbh 9 May 2014 19: 19
          +5
          Happy Victory Day everyone! I read with satisfaction that my fellow countrymen decided not to postpone the referendum. Now we have a good reason to help Donbass. Just talked about the referendum will make the right decision. Three "Grad" installations were driven to Mount Karachun - this is the floor of the battery, the affected area is 3 hectares.
          1. alexng
            alexng 9 May 2014 20: 34
            +4
            But now the militias have two installations of hail, so that the Nazis also shook the ground on their feet. And now the banderleugs will be afraid to approach the distance of the hail shot.
            1. dkflbvbh
              dkflbvbh 9 May 2014 21: 43
              +3
              They still need to be able to use.
      5. Thompson
        Thompson 9 May 2014 14: 30
        +4
        The dog barks, the wind wears! Let them strangle themselves with their anger!
        1. Ross
          Ross 9 May 2014 15: 37
          +40
          Kiev residents whistled Turchinov with Yaytsenyuh 9 May!
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          2. GRANATE-19
            GRANATE-19 9 May 2014 19: 07
            +23
            Quote: Ross
            Kiev residents whistled Turchinov with Yaytsenyuh 9 May!

            I found a more authentic video, please watch until the end and listen to the DEAR VETERAN!

            WITH HOLIDAY DEAR VETERANS WE LOVE YOU AND RESPECT WHERE YOU ARE NOT !!!
            afterword:
            a b @ nd € rla $ tov WE - BREED! ! !
          3. Saratovets
            Saratovets 9 May 2014 21: 16
            +7
            Ay well done Kievans))
            1. Waroc
              Waroc 10 May 2014 00: 46
              +6
              Well done, they should have been 5 months ago ...
            2. MEDVED
              MEDVED 10 May 2014 17: 28
              0
              that he is not well done !!!! But I respect.
          4. raf
            raf 10 May 2014 22: 24
            0
            The veteran told the truth and the truth as it is! Thanks to people like him!
      6. msd
        msd 9 May 2014 15: 12
        +14
        Obama will have tantrum again

        ... eh, to interview those 27 sailors from "Donald Cook" smile
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      8. GRANATE-19
        GRANATE-19 9 May 2014 18: 19
        +6
        Quote: platitsyn70
        100 poods will vote for secession, and how the West will react to it again, the tantrum will be with Obama the monkeys and Merkel, they will frighten us again, well, let's pretend that we were scared, and scare them so that they crap.

        I vote 100 pounds for sure! But I look and think that there are really peaceful people, since a military man could have stopped the BMP or BMD long ago - you just need to put the log in the tracks between the rollers closer to the stern and then the car can take off your shoes, you can stupidly brake by putting the tire from the car ... .
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 9 May 2014 20: 18
          +2
          Quote: GRANATE-19
          I vote 100 pounds for sure! But I look and think that there are really peaceful people, since a military man could have stopped the BMP or BMD long ago - you just need to put the log in the tracks between the rollers closer to the stern and then the car can take off your shoes, you can stupidly brake by putting the tire from the car ... .

          In mines, take explosives and set traps on all roads. After all, banderlog will burst in and begin to kill people.
    3. Combitor
      Combitor 9 May 2014 07: 41
      +60
      Quote: Stalevar
      We are waiting for the will of the people of the Southeast.

      Putin's proposal is a smart political move. The junta was thrown, a kind of "straw" for the salvation and peaceful resolution of the crisis (to put it mildly). But she pushed her away. Now only a complete and ... a diot can say that the southeast is being led by Russia and the Kremlin "rules" the actions of the militias.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 9 May 2014 08: 07
        +54
        In the photo of the faculty! Well, nevermind myself, nothing was complete with the T-34! wink

        Leonid Utyosov - be healthy!

        We wish the fighters to fight properly so that everyone kills at least a dozen Fritz. And if someone ruins the Nazis more, no one will ask you, no one will condemn. repeat


        1. pensioner
          pensioner 9 May 2014 08: 45
          +33
          Quote: Sid.74
          In the photo of the faculty!

          What is this, big greetings to the junta from the arms depots in Soledar, or what?
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 9 May 2014 08: 50
            +23
            Quote: retired
            What is this, big greetings to the junta from the arms depots in Soledar, or what?

            Yuri with a holiday! hi Here somewhere the photo from the PPSh flickered, only it was all grated (echo of the war) and this PPS is new! Who knows the whole current situation, everything can be!
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 9 May 2014 10: 29
              +7
              Quote: retired
              big greetings to the junta from the arms depots in Soledar, or what?

              Nda! I then asked everything more prosaic it turned out that these PPSs from the warehouses of the Ministry of Internal Affairs turned out to be a campaign!

              At the beginning of the 1990 years, a certain number of PPS-43 from the warehouses of the mobilization reserve of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine was transferred to the arsenal of some units of the militarized guard and police patrol service (due to the difficult criminal situation and the shortage of cartridges 5,45 × 39 mm, which did not allow the police to fully rearm Kalashnikov assault rifles!
              1. BIGLESHIY
                BIGLESHIY 9 May 2014 12: 37
                +6
                So there is no Mosinka near the bags.
                1. repytw
                  repytw 9 May 2014 13: 02
                  +16
                  This is a German Mauser rifle. Most likely, the warehouses are gradually being pulled away.
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                  2. GRANATE-19
                    GRANATE-19 9 May 2014 19: 18
                    +5
                    Quote: repytw
                    This is a German Mauser rifle. Most likely, the warehouses are gradually being pulled away.

                    Mauser Gewehr 98 (Mauser 98) - magazine model 1898 rifle, developed by German designers, brothers Wilhelm and Paul Mauser.

                    The Mauser 98 rifle was in service with many armies of the world until the end of World War II and gained a reputation for accurate and reliable weapons.

                    Thanks to features such as high accuracy, combat strength and reliability, the rifle is still widely used as a base for hunting and sports weapons.
                    (Wikipedia)
                    From the following:
                    a good hunter from KAR-98 can shoot accurately and for a long time, and it’s very convincing for his opponents, since a very powerful cartridge is used there (7,92 × 57 mm (7,92 × 57 Mauser, 8 × 57 Mauser, 8mm Mauser) - German rifle and machine-gun unitary cartridge). The paradox against the b @ nd € rla $ tov will be their own weapons (they were armed by their masters in the war, but rarely, Soviet captured weapons were used more often).
                    Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
            2. pensioner
              pensioner 9 May 2014 10: 29
              +13
              Happy Eugene! Watching the Parade and crying ...
              But the PPS and PPSh held in his hands at one time, but I couldn’t shoot ... Compared to PPS, PPS was like a toy, but our officers spoke very highly of these weapons. The militias would have to throw up anti-armored vehicles, and mortars. Then, they will be almost equal in armaments. And anti-helicopter mines would ...
              1. Sid.74
                Sid.74 9 May 2014 10: 41
                +22
                Quote: retired
                Happy Eugene! Watching the Parade and crying ...

                crying Ah, beauty ... Beauties ... Such a forgotten pleasant feeling of pride in our Army and our Motherland ... And the form, and the faces, smiles? Everything is fine !!!winked good drinks
                1. pensioner
                  pensioner 9 May 2014 11: 33
                  +15
                  Quote: Sid.74
                  Such a forgotten pleasant feeling of pride for our Army and our Motherland ... And the form, and the faces, smiles? Everything is fine !!!

                  Yes. Still survived ...
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                3. GRANATE-19
                  GRANATE-19 9 May 2014 20: 54
                  +6
                  Quote: Sid.74
                  Ah, beauty ... Beauties ... Such a forgotten pleasant feeling of pride in our Army and our Motherland ... And the form, and the faces, smiles? Everything is fine !!!

                  The video shows the shooting date - 1977, then I was just born! But I had the honor of becoming a RUSSIAN SOLDIER, and twice, and I had the opportunity to fight for my homeland !!! I am proud that I am a RUSSIAN and appreciate it and if necessary I will go to defend HER, AS MY GRANDFATES !!!
                  HAPPY DEAR VETERANS!
                  HOPE WE ARE BECOMING Worthy Grandchildren!
              2. Azzzwer
                Azzzwer 9 May 2014 11: 12
                +11
                Quote: retired
                The militias would have to throw up anti-armored vehicles, and mortars. Then, they will be almost equal in armaments. And anti-helicopter mines would ...
                And also tanks and aircraft, and forward to Kiev!
              3. Alex 241
                Alex 241 9 May 2014 17: 46
                +12
                Quote: retired
                Happy Eugene!

                Happy Men! All this is very symbolic!
            3. PSih2097
              PSih2097 9 May 2014 10: 33
              +26
              Quote: Sid.74
              and this faculty is new!

              PPS-43, he is also a submachine gun of Sudaev,
              It is considered the best submachine gun of the Second World War (and the most technologically advanced).
          2. lukke
            lukke 9 May 2014 13: 34
            +11
            In the photo of the faculty!
            And next to it, in my opinion, the Mauser K98 stands modestly leaning against it, only as the "necessary" people appeared in the warehouses.
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        2. Revolver
          Revolver 9 May 2014 08: 56
          +19
          Quote: Sid.74
          In the photo of the faculty

          He is. And it seems that Mosin’s carbine was leaning against the bags. A very symbolic photo, just for the 9th of May. I hope the old people, if it comes down to business, will not let you down.
          1. Slavich
            Slavich 9 May 2014 10: 00
            +14
            Quote: Nagan
            Mosin carbine

            My friend (an avid hunter) has one with optics. It’s just how beautiful it is. He can also be worn on him.
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 9 May 2014 10: 35
              +11
              Quote: Slavich
              Quote: Nagan
              Mosin carbine

              My friend (an avid hunter) has one with optics. It’s just how beautiful it is. He can also be worn on him.

              on the Hansa they say that good hush bells for mosquitoes and SCS are made in Odessa.
            2. fyvaprold
              fyvaprold 10 May 2014 16: 13
              0
              Glushak? How to tape with tape? Even if he can be screwed (with a bayonet tube, like a bayonet), then what's the use of it, with a supersonic bullet?
          2. major071
            major071 9 May 2014 10: 18
            +18
            Mosin carbine, a little history:

            In 1908 - 1910, the rifles of the 1891 model of the year were modernized, when, in connection with the adoption of a new version of the cartridge with a pointed bullet and improved ballistics, the rifles received new sights. The new rifles received the designation model 1891-10 of the year and served in all three versions until 1923, when the command of the Red Army, in order to unify, decided to leave in service only the dragoon rifle, which remained the main individual infantry weapon until 1930. In 1930, another modernization took place. The method of mounting the ramrod and bayonet is changing, but the latter must always be attached to the rifle. The rifle, already officially known as the "Mosin rifle", receives new sights, graduated in meters. The design of the false rings is changed again. Under the designation "rifle of the Mosin system arr 1891-30", this weapon becomes the main weapon for the Red Army in the pre-war period and for most of the Great Patriotic War. On the basis of the Mosin rifle, a carbine was created, which was adopted by the special branches of the armed forces under the name "7,62 mm carbine of the 1938 model", which differs from the rifle in a shorter barrel and lighter weight. Like the 1907 carbine, it did not have a bayonet.

            The carbine is a magazine with manual reloading. The barrel is locked longitudinally by a sliding rotary bolt for two combat stops for the receiver. The combat stops are located in front of the shutter and in the locked state are located in the horizontal plane. Cocking the drummer and placing it on a combat platoon is carried out when the mash is opened. The shutter is simple in design, the direct reload handle is located in the middle of the shutter. Instead of a fuse, the trigger head is openly located behind the shutter. The shutter is easily removed from the receiver by releasing the shutter fully back, and then you must press the trigger and remove the shutter. Magazine box, integral, with a single-row arrangement of cartridges. The bottom cover of the magazine is hinged down and forward for quick discharge and cleaning of the magazine. Equipment store - from plate clips on 5 cartridges or one cartridge each, through the top window of the receiver with the shutter open. The rifle stock is wooden with a straight neck and a steel back of the butt. Sights are open.

            "Three-line" and the samples developed on its basis have passed a glorious battle path, being faithful companions of a soldier in the battles for the honor and independence of our Motherland.

            Performance characteristics

            Caliber: 7,62 mm
            Cartridge Type: 7,62X54 R
            Length with bayonet: 1330 mm
            Length without bayonet: 1020 mm
            Weight with full magazine and bayonet: 3,9 kg
            Store capacity: 5 cartridges
            Sighting range: 1000 m
            Practical rate of fire: 10-12 rds / min
          3. Hammer
            Hammer 9 May 2014 11: 39
            +14
            Quote: Nagan
            And it seems that Mosin’s carbine was leaning against the bags.


            This is a M98KER KXNUMX carbine. But Bandera shoot the same fit ...
            So there is also some semoliness in this ... bully
            1. ale-x
              ale-x 9 May 2014 12: 32
              +1
              I think so too
          4. ran nearby
            ran nearby 9 May 2014 22: 01
            +2
            The old fascists beat not weak once, I think the current fascists will appreciate :)
        3. Stalevar
          Stalevar 9 May 2014 11: 06
          +10
          Yes, Sudaev in excellent condition, without mileage))
        4. vladstro
          vladstro 9 May 2014 11: 18
          +8
          Well Duc warned the Maydauns that the canned weapons are full, we are waiting for Mosin rifles and Maxim machine guns, the soldiers need weapons, the most important is SPIRIT.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 11 May 2014 14: 11
            +1
            Quote: vladstro
            weapons canned fully

        5. mnbv199
          mnbv199 9 May 2014 13: 59
          +5
          Tell me, is this true?
          Did anyone write about this somewhere?

          Western media reported citing a report by the Russian Defense Ministry that the US refused to repatriate 13 bodies of CIA military agents who were killed when their militia was shot down by militiamen near Slavyansk on Friday.

          According to the report, on May 2, the Ukrainian army’s anti-aircraft artillery battalion of the 25th Dnepropetrovsk brigade, which went over to the militia’s side, blew up two Russian-made Mi-17 transport helicopters belonging to the Ukrainian Air Force that tried to land at the CIA’s “command and control” military base in the zone military operations of Slavyansk.

          Extension

          http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/5/7/685681.html
        6. Saratovets
          Saratovets 9 May 2014 21: 20
          0
          About PPSlibo mas overall layout or Volodarsky mine forked))
          1. Marconi41
            Marconi41 10 May 2014 03: 54
            0
            Quote: Saratovets
            About PPSlibo mas overall layout or Volodarsky mine forked))

            So they also want to eat there in the mine, that’s why they trade for provisions)))
      2. mirag2
        mirag2 9 May 2014 08: 39
        +3
        If Putin’s statement is a competent political move, then this is good, but if his statement is forced?
        Do not allow this? What about the FATCA law?
        If we don’t sign it, then in 2017 we will have to pay a 30% tax on all dollar transfers - in the end, it turns out that we are not giving up the dollar, but we are being excommunicated, and this threatens us with huge losses, because the Americans are negotiating the signing of this law interrupted with us.
        Although, in fact, the signing of this law means the subordination of our finances to the US tax service.
        So the tension in foreign policy is understandable. There is a "subjugation" of the world financial system to the states.
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 9 May 2014 08: 57
          +3
          The tax will have to be paid from July of this year.
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 9 May 2014 09: 07
            +20
            Some "green skins" in the head or something, mirage
            .

            Happy Victory Day, Slavs!
            With us is strength and God!
            1. mirag2
              mirag2 9 May 2014 09: 17
              +29
              In my head is the future of the economy of my country, and ensuring its independence and defense capability, which can be achieved only by an INDEPENDENT FINANCIAL SYSTEM.
              1. mister2013
                mister2013 9 May 2014 09: 36
                +39
                Totally agree with you! Therefore, even later, even earlier, this must be broken. There was an offer to pay for the sale of energy for rubles. And there are many other options.

                All with a great holiday VICTORIES OF THE SOVIET PEOPLE OF THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR

                The titles of the Hero of the Soviet Union were awarded to the sons and daughters of all the peoples of the USSR, including:
                8182 Russians, 2072 Ukrainians, 311 Belarusians, 161 Tatars, 108 Jews, 96 Kazakhs, 91 Georgians, 90 Armenians, 69 Uzbeks, 61 Mordvinians, 44 Chuvash, 43 Azerbaijanis, 39 Bashkirs, 32 Ossetians, 18 Maris, 18 Turkmens, 15 Lithuanians , 14 Tajiks, 13 Latvians, 12 Kyrgyz, 10 Komi, 10 Udmurts, 9 Estonians, 9 Karelians, 8 Kalmyks, 7 Kabardins, 6 Adyghes, 5 Abkhazians, 3 Yakuts and representatives of many other nationalities.
                1. mira. 36
                  mira. 36 9 May 2014 13: 35
                  +6
                  Great people! It is necessary that everyone remembers them! Peace and happiness to their near and dear ones. God forbid anyone else war.
                2. vitalm
                  vitalm 9 May 2014 17: 57
                  +8
                  1 Tuvinian (tanker), a monument in Kyzyl-Mazhalyk, Tuva
            2. bulvas
              bulvas 9 May 2014 09: 41
              +9
              Quote: Igarr
              Some "green skins" in the head or something, mirage


              Correctly the person posed the question.

              If you manage to break away from the dollar, it’s good, while reality makes you think with your brain.

        2. kare
          kare 9 May 2014 09: 07
          +9
          What about the FATCA law?
          If we do not sign it, then in 2017 you will have to pay 30% tax on all dollar transfers

          What is the likelihood that the dollar will generally live to 17 year? In Russia?
          Stop minus, you just have to listen to the opinion of a person
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 9 May 2014 09: 13
            +15
            Quote: kare
            What is the likelihood that the dollar will generally live to 17 year?

            Low I suppose! hi Here is some information to think about!

            Dr. Doom: Investors, it's time to roll back from the USA

            Mark Faber, aka Dr. Dobele: “Investors should buy physical gold and put it in a safe, preferably outside the US ... In today's troubled world, diversification is important, not only in terms of assets, but also across different jurisdictions ... I am not I believe no one ... We have been in a bull market for five years now, and this boom has affected not ordinary households, but the super-rich, whose assets have risen in price. ".
        3. Revolver
          Revolver 9 May 2014 09: 12
          +24
          Quote: mirag2
          If Putin’s statement is a competent political move

          Not if, but it looks like it is. As they say on all English-language news channels, "Putin threw the ball to the side of the Ukrainian authorities" - this is the type of tennis terminology they use here. Those. he supported the diplomatic solution, while they continue the "anti-terrorist" and in fact punitive operation. And all the blood is now on them, even in the understanding of Western inhabitants.
          Quote: mirag2
          What about the FATCA law?
          So what about FATCA? Here we are talking only about American taxpayers with foreign accounts. Not a word about foreign investors.

          From the IRS website (US tax office):
          FATCA targets tax non-compliance by US taxpayers with foreign accounts
          FATCA focuses on reporting:
          By US taxpayers about certain foreign financial accounts and offshore assets
          By foreign financial institutions about financial accounts held by US taxpayers or foreign entities in which US taxpayers hold a substantial ownership interest
          The objective of FATCA is the reporting of foreign financial assets; withholding is the cost of not reporting.


          PS I didn’t pass.

          PPS Happy Victory Day!
        4. PATTIY
          PATTIY 9 May 2014 09: 33
          +16
          Quote: mirag2
          means submission of our finances to the US tax service.

          In our economy and finance, too, not the boys are sitting, so you know.
          Russia is not the EU to dictate. And for any disadvantageous law, there will be another new law that is beneficial for the Russian Federation. So it was already in -90 with oil and gas.
          We drove out the transatlantic corporations. There was a lot of stink noise. Then we paid off the "Paris robbers' club" and the IMF.
        5. Egoza
          Egoza 9 May 2014 09: 56
          +18
          Quote: mirag2
          If Putin’s statement is a competent political move, then this is good, but if his statement is forced?

          I do not think so! Firstly, he proved that the Russian Federation does not control the South-East of Ukraine and resistance, and secondly, even forced the USA to admit !!!

          The State Department admitted that Kiev did not disarm the radicals from the "Right Sector"

          The Ukrainian authorities did not disarm all the formations of the radical group "Right Sector", acknowledged Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland at a hearing in Congress.

          "They have made significant progress, but there is still room to strive for," Nuland said, answering a congressman's question about whether the disarmament of right-wing radicals is progressing well.

          In her opinion, Kiev is trying to do this, including redeeming weapons from citizens.

          The armed radicals of the Right Sector participated in the overthrow of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, organizing clashes with law enforcement agencies with the use of firearms and illegally seizing administrative buildings.

          In Ukraine, on February 22, a change of power took place, with signs of a coup d'etat. The Verkhovna Rada ousted President Viktor Yanukovych from power, amended the constitution, and scheduled elections for May 25. Moscow believes that the legitimacy of the decisions of the Rada raises doubts, and the legitimacy of the elections will depend on a number of conditions, including taking into account the interests of the regions.
          http://www.versii.com/news/303258/
        6. koshh
          koshh 9 May 2014 18: 00
          +7
          Quote: mirag2
          If we don’t sign it, then in 2017 we will have to pay a 30% tax on all dollar transfers - in the end, it turns out that we are not giving up the dollar, but we are being excommunicated, and this threatens us with huge losses, because the Americans are negotiating the signing of this law interrupted with us.

          Do you think that they will survive in their current form until 2017? I doubt it, so far it is not known who will pay what and to whom.
        7. yur
          yur 9 May 2014 23: 19
          0
          Quote: mirag2
          If we do not sign it, then in 2017 you will have to pay a 30% tax on all dollar transfers
          Horrible"! laughing How is it that I did not transfer dollars anywhere and now, probably, I will not have to. Well, so be it - I will transfer rubles, yuan and rupees (though without tax). laughing
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    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 9 May 2014 09: 24
      +30
      I advise you to listen to a replica of Soloviev



      And this is an interview with a contractor who switched to the side of the DNR militia

    5. Spnsr
      Spnsr 9 May 2014 15: 02
      +5
      say hail captured!
    6. Ross
      Ross 9 May 2014 16: 35
      +9
      In Mariupol, "polite" residents seized BMP2 from the junta.
    7. kuzia-roker
      kuzia-roker 9 May 2014 17: 46
      +4
      many nations and countries paid with their blood for the liberation of their land from the German Nazi invaders so we won’t be measured with the new dawn of these ubl * dk who are ready to defecate on the bones and graves of our grandfathers who gave their lives for our freedom
    8. persei
      persei 9 May 2014 22: 21
      0
      well if passive come too ...
    9. With Petrovsky
      With Petrovsky 9 May 2014 22: 40
      +1
      God forbid that everything was so, Donetsk, Lugansk hold on, hold on as you have strength, these p * gifts are already on their last legs. Happy Victory Day !!!
    10. Latysh
      Latysh 10 May 2014 00: 12
      +1
      After the massacres in Odessa and other cities, the shootings of civilians on the Holy Day, Victory Day, what else remains but to fight the fascist pro-American Sonderkommando sent from Kiev by the junta, the Nazi impostors, to the South-East. After all, they will not leave anti-fascists alone, especially those who speak Russian, when behind their backs they have America, which has long hated Russia and its European satellites licking America's ass. They will arm Bendera and support them in every possible way. It is hard to look at the murder of unarmed residents of the South-East, by the SS soldiers of the Galicia division, who hate Russians and Russian-speaking people so much that you have no doubt about their psychiatric deviations and dementia, just like the corrupt juntars sitting in Kiev. The will of the people does not give a fuck to the Bendera people, they will drown the South-East in blood, just to earn some dollars. The war is going on with its own people, which can be even worse. Hold on, brothers Slavs and beat the fascists!
      We are with all our hearts!
    11. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 10 May 2014 06: 00
      0
      Quote: Stalevar
      . There will be something to build on when making further decisions.

      Odessa, etc. reg. the following; hurry already. Glory to Russian unity!
    12. Igool
      Igool 11 May 2014 04: 15
      0
      MARIUPOL !!!!!
      VOTING TOMORROW WILL BE PASSED ONLY IN THE REGIONS OF OUR CITIES AND MORE ANYWHERE !! WE ARE WRITING:
      Taruta, Kolomoisky and our Hotlubey are preparing another gift for us! Ethen accurate information! School directors, under the threat of Taruta, were denied us a referendum on schools! Therefore, the polling stations were transferred to RIKi, But in the city, at the entrance to the schools, announcements of invitations to referendums on schools are hanging! People do not understand. vote on the forms of Kolomoisky on the accession of Mariupol to the Dnipropetrovsk region! And once again they will put us cattle!

      https://vk.com/ya_russkiy_patriot?w=wall-33066465_127357
  2. Alexey N
    Alexey N 9 May 2014 07: 04
    +65
    A holiday with tears in his eyes ...
  3. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 May 2014 07: 05
    +33
    Come on Southeast Rise! They themselves have to .. Russia helps and will help you .. (we are fighting for you at the highest level and it’s also not easy) Happy Victory Day Slavs!
    1. Stalevar
      Stalevar 9 May 2014 07: 12
      +25
      And you with a great holiday, colleague! And all for whom 9 may be a holy day !!!
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 9 May 2014 09: 59
      +23
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Russia helps and will help you.

      The State Duma suggested sending volunteers to Ukraine
      The deputy suggested that the volunteers "join the local liberation movement" in an organized manner
      First Deputy State Duma Chairman Ivan Melnikov proposes to legalize the flow of volunteers traveling to Ukraine, creating a special organization, possibly under the Russian Ministry of Defense. The initiative will be discussed at a meeting of the faction.
      This was reported by Izvestia.
      "Once there is movement, then it should not be allowed to drift, but it must be directed in the right direction. People go there anyway, they may die there ... (it is necessary) that they go to a prepared place, join the local liberation movement", - said Ivan Melnikov.
      Melnikov is not confused by the fact that the organization of the flow of volunteers by the current authorities in Kiev and the Western powers will be perceived as military intervention.
      However, as the newspaper notes, United Russia did not support the fervor of colleagues. In particular, the Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee Franz Klintsevich believes that the conflict must be resolved peacefully.
      "Instead of sending volunteers, one should listen to what the president and the Foreign Ministry say, namely, sit down at the negotiating table," he said.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 9 May 2014 10: 53
        +8
        Happy holiday Helen! love How do you celebrate Victory Day?
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 9 May 2014 21: 37
          +7
          Quote: retired
          How do you celebrate Victory Day?

          Who is how! But my mother is a veteran! So we are here in full family ....
          Once again, all with the GREAT HOLIDAY OF VICTORY!
      2. Ujin61
        Ujin61 9 May 2014 12: 47
        +4
        Power should help financially and pretend that it does not see anything. Help has gone and is going on. Let it at least not interfere (power).
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 9 May 2014 13: 43
          +4
          Quote: Ujin61
          "Instead of sending volunteers, one should listen to what the president and the Foreign Ministry say, namely, sit down at the negotiating table," he said.

          Iagoz agree ..! But to sit at the negotiating table .. Need a strong Southeast ..! (just like an independent territory able to fight back) Russia is observing and helping (by firing off all sorts of mercenaries and a riffraff ..) .. Then yourself ..!
      3. kocclissi
        kocclissi 9 May 2014 14: 53
        +3
        Trust in God, and grease the machine on time! And May 9 will be a Holiday! And not some kind of "celebration", as in Europe ........
      4. Victor-M
        Victor-M 9 May 2014 19: 33
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        However, as the newspaper notes, United Russia did not support the fervor of colleagues. In particular, the Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee Franz Klintsevich believes that the conflict must be resolved peacefully.

        A peaceful path is the best option, but there is one "BUT", it is useless to talk with a party that considers itself exclusive and has the right to use weapons when it sees fit, especially the example with Yanukovych showed what the egg agreements are worth. and turch., and how they perform them. Therefore, to facilitate the negotiation process, it is necessary to change the balance of power in the opposite direction, namely to help the South-East with weapons, and the result will not be long in coming.
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      6. GRANATE-19
        GRANATE-19 9 May 2014 21: 22
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        "Instead of sending volunteers, one should listen to what the president and the Foreign Ministry say, namely, sit down at the negotiating table," he said.

        It is necessary to sit down at the negotiating table when the PEOPLE OF UKRAINE AND THE SOUTH-EAST, WILL BE CARRYED OUT by such a mother, in Kiev, a junta who has the audacity to compare the GREAT and POWERFUL RED ARMY with such rottenness as upa (egg today said-mr @ $ b). Then you can sit down at the negotiating table, and at the same time catch pr @ at $ € kow to judge this g @ dost as war criminals!
        With great respect to you, VLADIMIR VLODIMIROVICH, but I believe that it is necessary to help the brotherly country, at least illegally! Otherwise, the plague tends to spread!
        ODESSA IS OUR PAIN!
        WE WILL NOT FORGET ANYTHING, NEVER FORGIVEN !!!
        Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
  4. strannik595
    strannik595 9 May 2014 07: 11
    +23
    The last three days we have seen a huge influx of volunteers who are ready to defend their land. These are the people who went through military service, the war in Afghanistan.
    ............. finally good news from Ukraine. If all the people rise, the end of this power. Still, the army would have found decisive, smart people who are ready to draw up an internal protest movement in units in combat force and stand under the banner of the Donetsk Republic
  5. sanek0207
    sanek0207 9 May 2014 07: 13
    +25
    BEAT THE LAWYER READER AS YOUR GRANDFATES ARE BEATING Fascism !!! HAPPY VICTORY YOU A HEROES !!!
    1. koshh
      koshh 9 May 2014 18: 18
      +3
      Quote: sanek0207
      BEAT THE LAWYER READER AS YOUR GRANDFATES ARE BEATING Fascism !!!


      I suggest a small adjustment. Are fascists simply fascists or right-wingers fascists?
      Therefore, it sounds like this: "BEAT THE FASCIST GADINA LIKE YOUR GRANDFATHES BEATED FASCISM !!!"
  6. Manul49
    Manul49 9 May 2014 07: 19
    +13
    Happy Victory Day!

    The people wake up. Hooray!
  7. kot007
    kot007 9 May 2014 07: 22
    +8
    That's right guys, nowhere to retreat, negotiations should not wait ...
  8. individual
    individual 9 May 2014 07: 30
    +14
    The plans of the people of Southeast Ukraine do not include games of politicians.
    Donetsk and Lugansk are building their own lives, and a referendum will determine its future.
    1. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 9 May 2014 13: 57
      +6
      Quote: individ
      The plans of the people of Southeast Ukraine do not include games of politicians.
      Donetsk and Lugansk build their life, and its future will determine a referendum

      YES! And one more benefit is from Putin’s statement - people's self-determination aroused and consolidated in goals and objectives, when there is nowhere to retreat.
  9. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 9 May 2014 07: 31
    +12
    The GDP simply wanted to make sure once again that the plans of the junta, led by Washington's firm hand, did not foresee a peaceful solution to the conflict. Sadly ...
  10. KBPC50
    KBPC50 9 May 2014 07: 33
    +15
    The junta is the junta. Remember Pinochet! (Turchinov looks like him) This bastard threw people from helicopters into the ocean and into the mouth of volcanoes, killed people at the Sant Iago stadium, tortured women by pouring ammonia into their vagina. Kiev's are no better, especially since almost all are criminals. I can also open barrels of cyanamide (used against phyloxera in vineyards) to strangle the people. And they have already done this in Odessa. "People be careful!" (Julius Fucik)
    1. not good
      not good 9 May 2014 18: 54
      +5
      Turchinov before Pinochet, as before Paris as a cancer. It is simply happiness for Ukraine that Turchinov is a weak-willed Yusovian doll in politics, otherwise everything would have been much worse for the southeast. Only one thing is pleasing: the United States has hunger for staff, professionals have ended, there is only one lack of talent. Therefore, the Southeast especially wants to wish for VICTORY.
  11. Same lech
    Same lech 9 May 2014 07: 37
    +35
    Before ODESSA, I still believed that a peaceful dialogue was possible with KIEV ... after the massacre of unarmed protesters in the HOUSE OF TRADE UNIONS, I think there is no peace with fascist law-abductors and should not be.

    The more you delve into the details of what happened there, the more I AM SURE that it was a planned bloody act of intimidating intimidation.

    After this, it is impossible to talk about some sort of peaceful resolution of the conflict.
    KIEV does not comply with any international agreements.
    KIEV constantly lies to the people of UKRAINE.
    KIEV aims at the physical destruction of people who disagree with the policy of the junta.
    KIEV must get tough for such actions.
    Therefore, I fully support the actions of the South-East militia despite the call of PUTIN for a peaceful dialogue with the law-abductors.
    1. borys
      borys 9 May 2014 21: 10
      +2
      It should be clarified - not Kiev, but the Nazis who settled in Kiev.
  12. Signaller
    Signaller 9 May 2014 07: 39
    +13
    Happy Victory Day.
    Looking at the photo of the militia and seeing in his hands the PPS-Sudaevsky machine gun and carbine, you can understand that the warehouses near Slavyansk went hand in hand. As they say, good luck.
  13. Turk
    Turk 9 May 2014 07: 44
    +38
    Quote: kot007
    That's right guys, nowhere to retreat, negotiations should not wait ...

    Happy Victory Day !!!
  14. Coffeine61
    Coffeine61 9 May 2014 07: 50
    +12
    Happy Victory Day !!! Happy holiday friends!
  15. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 9 May 2014 08: 02
    +19
    Putin and the East of Ukraine have shown that they act independently of each other. Russia does not impose its decisions on the East, and the East is fighting for its rights on its own. This is another proof to the West that accusing Russia of destabilizing the situation in Ukraine is not justified.
    Happy VICTORY friends !!!!
    The people of the East and South-East will make their right choice. Good luck to you!!!
  16. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 9 May 2014 08: 03
    +7
    Happy Great Holiday, Victory Day, dear friends! I would like to make my own modest contribution to the comments on this topic. Having committed the most despicable massacre against civilians in Odessa, the Kiev junta showed its true appearance! Yes, the people of South-East Ukraine were stirred up by the atrocities of the Bandera neo-fascists, and now there will be no mercy or forgiveness. Maybe someone was embarrassed by the GDP statement about the postponement of the Referendum date, but Putin would not have been Putin if he had not counted the reciprocal moves of the "Kiev impostors". And one more important signal for the so-called. "partners" was the CSTO meeting and demonstration launches of strategic missiles. Let Obama and others like him think carefully before threatening Russia. We can do without them, but they are unlikely to be without us, they have already begun to sing that Russia will continue cooperation on the ISS, despite sanctions. Hope "gentlemen" - good breakfast but bad dinner!
  17. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 9 May 2014 08: 05
    +8
    Good. that the PSov’s hopes of intimidating people did not materialize! So they themselves speed up their descent to the bottom of the Donetsk mines without elevators!
  18. bomg.77
    bomg.77 9 May 2014 08: 11
    +9
    Do what you should and what happens! Putin’s words are not law, but a recommendation, and as you know in the current world realities, they are not binding, all the more, Putin is not your president!)))
    All members of the forum with a holiday and a great victory! drinks
    I feel that it will fall to our lot to erect a banner, In which capital .... in the West they cannot decide yet!
    1. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 9 May 2014 12: 32
      +9
      Yes, Putin just takes time, plays on a Western audience. For certain, through closed channels, he told me to continue in the same vein.
  19. kingnothing
    kingnothing 9 May 2014 08: 14
    +20
    !!! HAPPY GREAT VICTORY DAY !!!
    As I saw Putin on TV say that the referendum should be postponed - he immediately smiled. The same was clearly said for our "gay European partners". It was immediately clear that they would not endure anything. But now in the eyes of the public we are white and fluffy.
    1. Elena Pavlova
      Elena Pavlova 9 May 2014 11: 51
      +8
      I completely agree with you))) With every word)))
    2. Elena Pavlova
      Elena Pavlova 9 May 2014 11: 51
      0
      I completely agree with you))) With every word)))
  20. gych
    gych 9 May 2014 08: 14
    +9
    Quote: VNP1958PVN
    Good. that the PSov’s hopes of intimidating people did not materialize! So they themselves speed up their descent to the bottom of the Donetsk mines without elevators!

    People are tired of a fighter for every substitute found in the form of faculty! And where did they open its current? All the Victory Day!
  21. Turkir
    Turkir 9 May 2014 08: 23
    +6
    Happy Great Victory Day! Hi Southeast! We are with you!
  22. Agat
    Agat 9 May 2014 08: 26
    +10
    Happy Victory Day all of you! Victory will always be ours!
    And Putin once again demonstrated the talent of a politician!
    To inhabitants of Donetsk and Lugansk Republics - With God!
  23. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 9 May 2014 08: 33
    +6
    WITH A FRIEND HOLIDAY! HAPPY VICTORY RUSSIA AND SOUTH EAST OF UKRAINE, I hope that the other day we will soon congratulate SE on another Victory Day. Good luck in battles to you and soon victory over a cruel enemy, guys and girls from Southeast!
  24. Delink
    Delink 9 May 2014 08: 34
    +8
    They all understood correctly!
    The Russian soul at the highest level understands how to act, which can not be said about others.
  25. leo44
    leo44 9 May 2014 08: 40
    +20
    Happy Victory Day !!! Hooray!!!
  26. Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist 9 May 2014 08: 40
    +10
    Quote: Stalevar
    Putin’s proposal at first confused us a bit.

    Putin never says anything "just like that" .... we will understand everything poooo later !!!
  27. zollstab
    zollstab 9 May 2014 08: 41
    +5
    Whoever fights for the truth is with GOD. And that the enemy would not see your backs!
  28. orthopedist
    orthopedist 9 May 2014 08: 42
    +3
    we will help the brothers struggling with fascism details on the site of the APN northwest http://www.apn-spb.ru/
  29. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 9 May 2014 08: 43
    +7
    Donbass Victory Day !!!
  30. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 9 May 2014 08: 48
    +5
    Happy holiday to you brothers !. Break the ridge of this plague. Together we are strong. drinks
  31. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 9 May 2014 08: 50
    +5
    Victory to you Brothers in the fight against fascism!
  32. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 9 May 2014 08: 58
    +19
    Southeast, Russia with you, do not hesitate! Hold on, do not give the enemy an inch of land!

    And with Victory Day, you brothers and sisters!
  33. asar
    asar 9 May 2014 08: 59
    +5
    Happy Holidays, Slavs! Happy May 9! Hold on, Donbass!
  34. zag
    zag 9 May 2014 09: 00
    +8
    Happy Victory Day to everyone who honors this date, but for those who forgot that this day will remind the city of Nuremberg
  35. bistrov.
    bistrov. 9 May 2014 09: 01
    +27
    Happy Victory Day, dear comrades! The victory over fascism takes on special meaning today, when the descendants of the fascists raised their heads. Are we really worse than our fathers and grandfathers, who chopped off the head of a fascist reptile? I think that it’s no worse. We will destroy modern fascists forever.
  36. White53
    White53 9 May 2014 09: 14
    +12
    It is symbolic that the weapon of Victory will smash the fascist "granddaughters" this time too! Happy Holidays, brothers!
  37. Eugene
    Eugene 9 May 2014 09: 17
    +28
    Super! Everything is going according to plan .. And not the European one! Yesterday at the torchlight procession, to Mithridates, the youth shouted "Russia, Russia ..." so much that they were surprised. What an unusual activity. separate from the ghouls Smerekov. And with or without Russia, the miners will decide themselves. Happy Holidays, people!
    1. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 10 May 2014 02: 34
      0
      If now they are all almost with Russian flags, then how can they then be without Russia? Is that again there will be a "probation" period, as with Transnistria? But if the decision contains a reference to the "historical mistake of the then rulers", then the process can be fast, as with the Crimea.
  38. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 9 May 2014 09: 33
    +31
    The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation asks for assistance in collecting personal data of citizens of Ukraine convicted of acts violating the laws of the Ukrainian state.


    This measure is aimed at preventing Ukrainian citizens from committing or contributing to the commission of criminal acts on the territory of the Russian Federation.


    In the subject of the letter, you must place one of the proposed messages, as well as full name and date of birth in the format dd / mm / yy, if any, are publicly available:

    Data on a citizen of Ukraine supporting nationalist and other radical movements in the territory of the Ukrainian state. (Name, date of birth dd / mm / yy)
    Data on a citizen of Ukraine participating in mass riots, causing grievous bodily harm, murder or causing death by negligence, and / or contributed to the above illegal acts. (Name, date of birth dd / mm / yy)
    Data on a citizen of Ukraine from whom threats of physical violence and / or intentions of persecution towards another citizen of Ukraine or citizens of other states came. (Name, date of birth dd / mm / yy)

    In the letter you must specify a link to the source of the data you received (any social networks are allowed). Describe the committed illegal act, if possible indicate the date of its commission. Copy / photograph text information, if any, can be used in the evidence part. Attach to the letter files (photo / video materials) that can be used in the evidence part if a criminal case is instituted against a citizen of Ukraine when crossing the state border of the Russian Federation or located on the territory of the Russian Federation.


    If you want to immediately send information related to the competence of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, please use the email: [email protected]
    1. SHI69
      SHI69 10 May 2014 22: 36
      0
      worked great in Sevastopol!
  39. Status
    Status 9 May 2014 09: 35
    +6
    HAPPY GREAT VICTORY, FRIENDS !!!
    As far as I remember, this day always evoked a sense of pride in the great feat of our ancestors, this respect for the millions of people who defended our right to existence itself.

    Today is a special holiday, it takes place against the background of the tragedy in neighboring Ukraine. This news is a confirmation of the vile essence of the forces that the inhabitants of the "square" (from whom?) Are faced now. The analogy with Gleiwitz is troubling. Our reaction must be diplomatically very tough am

    HAPPY VICTORY !!!
  40. w2000
    w2000 9 May 2014 09: 36
    +17
    Three hundred Slavs

    The current events in Slavyansk are very reminiscent of the famous battle at Thermopylae of three hundred Spartans against the Persian army.

    In the same way as in the battle at Thermopylae, the aggressor is many times superior to the defenders in number. Just like the Thermopilsky Gorge was a strategic passage on the way to Greece, which was difficult to get around, the city of Slavyansk is a strategic transportation hub that stands on the way to Donetsk and Lugansk. As long as the resistance is not suppressed in it, the main forces of the invaders should not advance to Donetsk and Lugansk, since there is a great risk of getting a blow from the rear and leaving the troops without supplies. Just like the army of Tsar Leonid two and a half thousand years ago, the militia of Slavyansk faces the task of delaying the advancement of enemy troops in order to gain valuable time for the formation of the armies of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics, as well as for holding a referendum on May 11. As well as in the army of Tsar Leonid, in the people's militia of Slavyansk, all as one experienced, battle-hardened warriors, all volunteers, and all heroes, ready as well as 300 Spartans for a glorious death. Just as the great strategist, Tsar Leonid, was at the head of the Spartan army, the militia of Slavyansk is led by an experienced commander who can make a few militias an insurmountable frontier and drive arrogance from self-confident commanders of innumerable enemy hordes. Just like in the battle at Thermopylae, the enemy did not manage to take the line from the swoop, and he was forced into a prolonged confrontation unprofitable for himself, attacking from a disadvantageous disposition, incurring loss of manpower, which inevitably leads to a decrease in the fighting spirit of the troops . As the Persian king Xerxes changed tactics, taking breaks between attacks, regrouping troops and throwing various units into battle, commanders of the juntas also act, then throwing a large group of regular army into the battle, then forces of the national guard, while sending army units to the rear, now special units, in collaboration with punishers from the "right sector" and Western mercenaries. But all these detachments are forced to retreat, meeting fierce resistance from the Slavyansk militia, just as the Persian detachments retreated under the crushing onslaught of the Spartan warriors.

    But there is one significant difference between the battle at Thermopylae and the battle in Slavyansk. It lies in the fact that the Spartans had no hope of victory, they knew that they were doomed, while the “Slavs” had a chance to hold out until reinforcements arrived. These are small volunteer squads that seep into Slavyansk from other areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics, from Crimea and from Russia. If they manage to hold out until the referendum and the formation of the army of the Donetsk Republic, then in the battle there may come a turning point, and the transition to the offensive. Well, in the end, if the referendum is held and the people speak out for independence, then the legitimized authorities of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics can ask Russia to introduce peacekeeping contingents, just as Russia introduced them to Transnistria, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Whatever happens in the future, but now, in the present, the Slavyansk militias perform a military feat no less great than the Spartans, the defenders of the Crimea, the Brest Fortress, Moscow, Stalingrad and many other battles in the history of mankind, when they opposed treacherous aggression , many times superior to hordes of the enemy, troops of desperate brave men stood up.
    1. Shuriken
      Shuriken 9 May 2014 11: 12
      +36
      300 riflemen
      1. mnbv199
        mnbv199 9 May 2014 15: 02
        +22
        To Berlin!

        http://forum.dnestra.com/blog/history/7688.html
        1. mnbv199
          mnbv199 9 May 2014 15: 07
          +15
          http://forum.dnestra.com/uploads/images/00/17/18/2014/05/09/e52865.jpg
    2. Spnsr
      Spnsr 9 May 2014 20: 27
      +2
      28 Panfilians! but the guys have a lot of their VALUES, courage and courage!
  41. saag
    saag 9 May 2014 09: 43
    +3
    interesting photo, so there is some kind of access to that underground warehouse
  42. loaf
    loaf 9 May 2014 09: 44
    +7
    Quote: mirag2
    If we do not sign it, then in 2017 you will have to pay a 30% tax on all dollar transfers -

    Not quite right. not with dollar transfers, but with transactions with US securities. In 2017, all countries will pay 30 percent. This is another reason to refuse to invest in American papers.
  43. m262
    m262 9 May 2014 09: 47
    +2
    And judging by the photo from the PPP mob. our warehouses are already
    1. saag
      saag 9 May 2014 09: 57
      +3
      If this were so, then one could see a PD or MG leaning against the parapet or against them, the enthusiasm immediately diminishes
  44. Giant thought
    Giant thought 9 May 2014 09: 52
    +11
    Happy Victory Day to all! Well done Donetsk and Lugansk! The right decision was made, no need to pull the cat by the tail. Have a successful referendum. We will all worry about you.
  45. mamont5
    mamont5 9 May 2014 09: 52
    +9
    Donbass militia continues to fight and successfully:

    "Brief commentary from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich May 8, 2014

    Igor Ivanovich commented on Parubiy’s reports that at night the separatists attacked the checkpoint in passenger cars, the valiant soldiers of the guard, standing waist-deep in hot sleeves, TWO HOURS repulsed the attack, the cars were set on fire, the separatists fled in panic:

    “I don’t know about tonight, but yesterday in the Rybkhoz area the 95th brigade carried out a“ shock ”- for two hours the Ukrainian heroes fought among themselves (between two posts), destroying one of their“ Hammer ”. The epoch-making battle began with a single grenade from a grenade launcher, successfully fired towards one of the posts. And it began ... ""
    http://warfiles.ru/show-55566-igor-strelkov-nochyu-pod-slavyanskom-ukrainskie-vo
    ennye-dva-chasa-veli-boy-mezhdu-soboy.html
    1. sinukvl
      sinukvl 9 May 2014 12: 09
      +7
      Warriors are bad! You can immediately see the skill and experience of warfare pravosekov. This is not nat. guard this is the real poz guard
  46. sokrat7
    sokrat7 9 May 2014 10: 00
    +4
    Happy Victory Day, dear friends !!!
  47. Ivan1986
    Ivan1986 9 May 2014 10: 00
    -8
    In Makeyevka, militias want to blow up a mine after they were not allowed to tear down the junta flag:

    http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/05/9/7024793/
    1. botur
      botur 9 May 2014 12: 05
      +3
      Do you believe in it yourself?
  48. Ivan1986
    Ivan1986 9 May 2014 10: 03
    -18%
    Quote: saag
    If this were so, then one could see a PD or MG leaning against the parapet or against them, the enthusiasm immediately diminishes


    MG - bullshit in the current war.
    1. Com T-64a
      Com T-64a 9 May 2014 10: 26
      +1
      Explain why!
      1. family tree
        family tree 9 May 2014 11: 29
        +12
        Quote: Com. T-64a
        Explain why!

        Well, of course! belay Only bullshit, slightly modernized and recognized as the best single machine gun of the WWII, can be armed with the Bundeswehr, under the name MG-3, produced under license in Greece, Pakistan, Spain, Turkey and exported to a bunch of countries laughing
        1. Com T-64a
          Com T-64a 9 May 2014 12: 06
          +3
          Damn, dear, well, you could have tolerated it, maybe your uncle would say his brainstorming opinion! PPC! The provocation failed!
          1. family tree
            family tree 9 May 2014 12: 13
            +4
            Quote: Com. T-64a
            Damn, dear, well, you could have suffered,

            You can certainly tolerate what Day, month, year, but spruces, not the whole hour request . There is not enough patience! laughing Uncle farted and screwed.
        2. serge siberian
          serge siberian 10 May 2014 17: 30
          0
          Quote: perepilka
          Well then! Only bullshit, slightly modernized and recognized as the best single machine gun

          to this day this machine gun is in service with the NATO countries. (a little modernized, but during the Great Patriotic War it was also called "Hitler's saw". the history of our common country of the USSR !!!
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 9 May 2014 19: 40
        +3
        Quote: Com. T-64a
        Explain why!

        Yes, he is trying to mow down !
        Since the machine is German, and even from the Second World War, then, by definition, they should not like it anymore at the Mockalski forum!
        Judges by itself!
    2. orthopedist
      orthopedist 9 May 2014 15: 08
      0
      and here is no n it is an oily heavy machine gun I am not afraid to say that our RPK is inferior to it
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 9 May 2014 19: 19
        +1
        Quote: orthopedist
        I'm not afraid to say that our RPK is inferior to him in something

        The PKK can in no way be equal to MG, because that is a single machine gun, not a manual one.
      2. tnt59
        tnt59 9 May 2014 22: 18
        0
        RPK-NORMAL AKM with a long barrel. But a better PC than MG.
        1. Normal
          Normal 9 May 2014 23: 27
          0
          Quote: tnt59
          RPK-NORMAL AKM with a long barrel.


          I read somewhere that it’s not just with a long, but also thicker barrel, as well as with a thicker rolled metal for stamping the receiver. True, it was about RPK-74 under a 5,45mm cartridge

          Quote: tnt59
          .But PC is better than MG


          What's better? The answer "than MG" will not satisfy.
          1. family tree
            family tree 10 May 2014 00: 58
            +1
            Quote: Normal
            What's better? The answer "than MG" will not satisfy.

            TNT59, It is really better, in many ways, but answer it yourself, well, nafig.
            And I, for the Victory! drinks
      3. fyvaprold
        fyvaprold 10 May 2014 16: 39
        0
        RPK is not much superior, well, maybe some AUG LMG.
    3. pensioner
      pensioner 9 May 2014 16: 28
      +1
      Quote: Ivan1986
      MG - bullshit

      Don’t measure your own weapons.
      1. dkflbvbh
        dkflbvbh 9 May 2014 19: 41
        +1
        By the way, MG is recognized as the best machine gun of the Second World War, and is still in service with one or another modification.
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 10 May 2014 20: 28
          0
          No, a good machine, I do not argue, but probably eats a lot.
        2. The comment was deleted.
    4. revnagan
      revnagan 10 May 2014 13: 49
      +1
      Quote: Ivan1986
      MG - bullshit in the current war.

      eh, I would have it "bullshit" ... Local "Right-sided" self-defense would only tear through the bushes ...
    5. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 10 May 2014 16: 35
      0
      Interestingly, but in the Bundeswehr they know about it (that MG bullshit)?
  49. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 9 May 2014 10: 09
    +3
    If the militias arm themselves with a rifle WWII, then by the sound of a shot it will be easy to determine who is shooting, and so are all Kalash, figs understand. It’s just not clear whether this is good or bad.
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    2. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 9 May 2014 11: 44
      +6
      Probably no difference. The main difference lies in the very fact of the presence of heavy small arms, i.e. machine guns. Kalash is certainly good, but against MG or DP, count 1 to 10 you need to fight, or even more. And the sighting range is different, and flatness. The MG is good at long range, due to the longer barrel and high rate of fire. And with the machine, so in general. On average and generally like a handbrake, DP is better. His rate of fire is significantly lower than the "adolf sewing machine".

      In our unit, in service, were RPD44, with a square magazine / box. Convenient of course, lightweight, maneuverable, the return is not very large. But against a machine gun with a full rifle cartridge, he certainly passes. But one cartridge with SCS.

      Well, the teaching staff, in comparison with the submachine guns for an intermediate one, is just a fart for short-range combat. Even compared to a short Kalash. Is that clean to take a picture.
    3. revnagan
      revnagan 10 May 2014 13: 52
      +1
      Quote: chunga-changa
      It’s just not clear whether this is good or bad.

      That's great. Not with bare hands, not with a hunting rifle.
  50. Ivan1986
    Ivan1986 9 May 2014 10: 10
    -4
    Quote: chunga-changa
    If the militias arm themselves with a rifle WWII, then by the sound of a shot it will be easy to determine who is shooting, and so are all Kalash, figs understand. It’s just not clear whether this is good or bad.

    I don’t know whether it’s good or bad, but it doesn’t matter.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 9 May 2014 17: 31
      +4
      Quote: Ivan1986
      but it doesn’t matter.

      Well, it depends on which side of the contact you are listening to!
      It just matters.
      In fact, these ghouls from PS are doomed, the question is how much blood will be shed.
      And by the way, they will be lucky if the polite people clean them, the death penalty is abolished after all, but theirs will be cleaned up cleanly. Well, who needs witnesses of their atrocities?