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Spanish blogger on the situation in Ukraine: People are filled with hatred

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Spanish blogger Carlos (@spainbuca) used his Twitter page to offer his own vision of what is happening in Ukraine, where he has been working as an air traffic controller for several years. Nevertheless, the radicals call him a “separatist agitator” and demand his expulsion from the country.




On his Twitter page, Carlos, who works as a dispatcher in Borispol, seeks to set forth objective information about events in Ukraine, without trying to join any of the opposing sides. Unlike many large European media, he is not afraid to admit that ultra-right radicals are involved in the death of people in Odessa, and the Ukrainian military are not at all eager to fight with their own fellow citizens in the south-east of the country, as the Kiev authorities demand. Some readers thank him for a detailed and unbiased coverage of the political crisis in Ukraine, others require for his expulsion and even death.

“I have my own opinion, my own point of view, the point of view of an ordinary person who has a job that does not imply any kind of dependence. I do not belong to the media or to any political party, ”the blogger emphasizes.

“I think that people are filled with hatred. I do not see the possibility of the return of the West and the East to a peaceful, common life. ... This is a conflict, and people do not want it to be resolved. And the hatred is so great, at least in Kiev, that this country, I think, cannot live in peace and tranquility, ”said Carlos in an interview with RT.

“My colleagues were not only going to inform the authorities that I expressed my point of view, they called for sending me a whole battalion to send me out of the country to be killed,” said the Spaniard. - I had a meeting with the security service of one of the European embassies, during which I was told that I had better take my family out of the country within 24 hours. As a result, I listened and during the day I brought my wife and daughter from Ukraine. ”
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  1. Alexey N
    Alexey N 9 May 2014 07: 00
    +86
    Civil War. The people against fascism. Spaniards know and remember.
    1. Baikal
      Baikal 9 May 2014 07: 36
      +63
      Now the main task of Russia is to direct this hatred against the root causes of the conflict.
      People should know the "heroes" by sight, so to speak.
      And to be able to hammer these heroes in the throat of their mattress banner.
      1. Sunjar
        Sunjar 9 May 2014 07: 46
        +53
        In Ukraine, exceptional democracy, and those who do not agree with this democracy, we will kill.
        1. svp67
          svp67 9 May 2014 11: 48
          +20
          Quote: Sunjar
          In Ukraine, exceptional democracy, and those who do not agree with this democracy, we will kill.
          and blame the "bloody Putler ..."
          1. Shur
            Shur 10 May 2014 12: 57
            +1
            It is a pity that the accusations lie and infuriate in vain about the submarine puppets of Kiev.
          2. orsker
            orsker 10 May 2014 22: 37
            +2
            A masterpiece from the Acting Tsar "... with those on whose hands human blood, civilized states do not conduct dialogue ..." "Deep" thought, from which it clearly follows that all those who are trying to conduct a dialogue with Dill, there are uncivilized states. The OSCE is a bunch of uncivilized states altogether. However, the second option would be more correct - if civilized states do conduct a dialogue with Dill, and Dill does not deny the dialogue, then for her the human blood shed in Odessa, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk is not just water, but a completely incomprehensible substance ... one word, Trupchinov ...
        2. Ujin61
          Ujin61 9 May 2014 13: 37
          +9
          It is strange for Urcoain to expect another reaction to the truthful coverage of current events.
        3. jktu66
          jktu66 9 May 2014 18: 10
          +14
          In Ukraine, exceptional democracy, and those who do not agree with this democracy, we will kill.
          Yaytsenyukh promised to amnesty the militia of the SE who surrendered weapons, except for those who are not involved in the killings of civilians. T.ob. killed civilians Kiev ghouls attributed to the militia. And the "Russian saboteurs", of course. And all these lies are pouring down like a river on all Ukrainian channels, radio, newspapers, and on the Internet. The hatred of Ukrainians is only growing. To the delight of the mattress covers. Ukraine no longer exists.
          1. 120352
            120352 10 May 2014 10: 26
            +5
            jktu66
            It’s time for Yaytsenyuha to think about the conditions for commuting the sentence for him himself. The fairest thing will be to give him and the whole company to the hands of those whose relatives and friends were killed by the Bandera regime.
            And Yarosh can be a monument. At the cemetery. And you can do it like this: 1) we take Yarosh (live) and put in gypsum for a couple of days, 2) we saw a piece of gypsum in half and throw the contents into a hole, 3) we lubricate the cavity formed with machine oil, 4) fill the cavity with gypsum. After drying, we get a monument. We stick it over the pit in which the meat of Yarosh is lying.
            This technology can be applied to other "leaders", but I would be the first after Yarosh to apply it to a Jewish Armenian woman hiding under the Slavic surname Timoshenko.
            To comply with the conventions, the stuffed animals can be painted in vomit blue (yellow-blocking, like Petlyura's).
          2. Shur
            Shur 10 May 2014 12: 58
            +6
            Death to the egg and other ghouls!
        4. Shur
          Shur 10 May 2014 12: 55
          0
          Of course true, slaves and people have no voting rights, they are cold.
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. CALL.
        CALL. 9 May 2014 13: 53
        +14
        Urgently sent from Donetsk
        SOS !!! LIGHTNING!!! ABOUT YAROSH !!!! Antifascist Front! SOS! GUYS! His
        the page in the contact was hacked by hackers from Tallinn. In it, this corresponded with some enemy and tells him that it is necessary to hurry with the Southeast, or else he’s slipping away ... they are planning a terrorist attack in Donetsk, they say that a suicide bomber will come along with the bandits. !!!!!
        Open and read all the links yourself !!!! COPY MATERIAL TO OTHER GROUPS FOR FORUMS !!!

        http://www.euromaidanu.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/410.jpg
        http://www.euromaidanu.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/310.jpg
        http://www.euromaidanu.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/210.jpg
        02:09
        That's what is going on here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        1. Anper
          Anper 9 May 2014 15: 18
          +8
          Mariupol Now online. Shooting and tanks.
          http://www.0629.com.ua/news/531404
        2. Valrad
          Valrad 9 May 2014 21: 26
          +10
          Quote: Z.O.V.
          Urgently sent from Donetsk
          SOS !!! LIGHTNING!!! ABOUT YAROSH !!!! Antifascist Front! SOS! GUYS! His
          the page in the contact was hacked by hackers from Tallinn. In it, this corresponded with some enemy and tells him that it is necessary to hurry with the Southeast, or else he’s slipping away ... they are planning a terrorist attack in Donetsk, they say that a suicide bomber will come along with the bandits. !!!!!
          Open and read all the links yourself !!!! COPY MATERIAL TO OTHER GROUPS FOR FORUMS !!!

          http://www.euromaidanu.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/410.jpg
          http://www.euromaidanu.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/310.jpg
          http://www.euromaidanu.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/210.jpg
          02:09
          That's what is going on here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


          TYPE SENSE IN THIS .... "PEOPLE DO NOT WALK TO THE RALLY". looks like a provocation
          1. Barmal
            Barmal 9 May 2014 22: 59
            +4
            He posted this nonsense at http://topwar.ru/46732-neizvestnye-podozhgli-ukrainskiy-tamozhennyy-punkt-na-gra

            nice-s-rossiey.html # comment-id-2492614
            Quote: Z.O.V.
            That's what is going on here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


            like the latest news from Yarosh. Foul in March this year.
        3. 120352
          120352 10 May 2014 10: 38
          +4
          Yarosh dreams of Ukraine without Russians. But does he know that Ukrainians were invented and made of Russians between 1898 and later? So, every Ukrainian is Russian, but renamed. Therefore, in order to get rid of the Russians, Yarosh needs to start with himself. One Russian will be less in Ukraine after his death.
          In general, it would be very useful, after the completion of this orgy, to remove the ethnonym "Ukrainian, Ukrainian" from circulation in order to avoid such excesses and return the traditional ones: Russian Little Russian, Novoross.
          1. Shur
            Shur 10 May 2014 13: 01
            +1
            Not just withdraw, but enlighten its true meaning and most importantly convey to descendants who and why so divided one people. Remember and not forgive. It is no longer possible to increase evil, forgiveness must be earned and nothing else! Enough of the goodness of mind to let go of this trash for reproduction.
          2. maxxdesign
            maxxdesign 11 May 2014 17: 40
            0
            not everyone ... half of western Ukraine are immigrants from adjoining states, and the territories of western Ukraine belonged partly to them, including Poland
        4. Chaika
          Chaika 10 May 2014 17: 41
          +4
          The suicide bomber self-destructed, the rally took place))))
    2. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 9 May 2014 07: 43
      +21
      if the citizens of one country shoot each other, this is a civil war, and civil wars lead to the fact that some destroy others and there will be no peace here, it’s better to split up.
      1. rozowik
        rozowik 9 May 2014 09: 21
        +8
        The Ukrainian authorities have a completely different opinion, they believe that they are destroying terrorists, which means there is no civil war, so it is unlikely that everything will pass without a lot of blood.
        1. mamont5
          mamont5 9 May 2014 09: 29
          +8
          Quote: rozowik
          The Ukrainian authorities have a completely different opinion, they believe that they are destroying terrorists, which means there is no civil war, so it is unlikely that everything will pass without a lot of blood.
          tread

          Still, the thief is the first to shout "stop the thief". So the terrorists do the same.
        2. Darth Vader
          Darth Vader 9 May 2014 10: 03
          +13
          Naturally ... After all, dill themselves came to power through an exclusively democratic Geyromaydan ....
        3. the same cat
          the same cat 9 May 2014 11: 18
          +25
          Well, all right, the main thing is to dehumanize the enemy. And when you consider that this work
          has been going on for more than 100 years, it is strange that horns from hatred have not grown in Svidomo.
          It is convenient, again, to justify their own worthlessness - the enemies are to blame for everything. Kiev mercenaries need to work out landlords money. They swelled so much in them ...
          1. smile
            smile 9 May 2014 12: 52
            +8
            the same cat
            That's right, but how much more will be needed .... but there won't be so much anymore ... :)))) And when the famine begins in Ukraine (and given the destruction of industry and the torn crops, it will be already in winter) these cannibals will get out of control and they will start to devour their masters, and if only them ... As I imagine, what will happen in Ukraine, regardless of whether the junta crushes the SEI (and I think we won’t allow it), it makes me sick ...
        4. sokrat7
          sokrat7 9 May 2014 11: 34
          +12
          I will say more that Ukraine has no future in this composition of the regions. Or is there - in a constant war between east and west.
          1. svp67
            svp67 9 May 2014 11: 50
            +14
            Quote: sokrat7
            I will say more that Ukraine has no future in this composition of the regions. Or is there - in a constant war between east and west.
            I will say even more when the question of the East and the South of Ukraine is decided, the question of the West and the Center will arise behind it ...
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 9 May 2014 12: 19
              +41
              This question arose long ago in the central regions, but it is brutally suppressed by mutants released from a bottle of Qu.ch.m.oy, Yushchenko, Tymoshenko and Yanukovych. Their surnames will be embossed on the granite of the nation's shame. But Ukraine, as a sovereign state, is no more. It's time to reprint the maps of Europe. stop
              1. smile
                smile 9 May 2014 13: 00
                +5
                Lelek
                Yes, the already unsustainable Ukrainian statehood was cut on the Maidan .... and the names of the animals you listed will be in the same row with the humpback and the ebon ...
                1. Penzyac
                  Penzyac 9 May 2014 14: 56
                  +4
                  Quote: smile
                  Lelek
                  Yes, the already unsustainable Ukrainian statehood was cut on the Maidan .... and the names of the animals you listed will be in the same row with the humpback and the ebon ...

                  Animals have no surnames, only nicknames ...
              2. Shur
                Shur 10 May 2014 13: 17
                +1
                Small addition, long gone. It was fastened with bayonets by the Bolsheviks and everything crawled at the seams when the bayonets rusted. With the geeks produced by the West, no one will live in the West itself. These are just executioners, so they are these "humane" Western elites who are waging colonization wars. Then, when these animals do their job, they will be outlawed and methodically cleaned up, liberating the territory under the truly Aryan pure Europeans. Incredibly frostbitten and mired in fratricide over the centuries, Europeans in all their glory.
          2. Shur
            Shur 10 May 2014 13: 11
            0
            Duck this is the plan of the cattle farm-usa in action. They dreamed of this and achieved all these years lying falsely embracing ebn and others.
        5. zennon
          zennon 10 May 2014 00: 39
          +5
          Quote: rozowik
          The Ukrainian authorities have a completely different opinion,

          What kind of authorities? It was the Kiev bunch of shit that did not legally seize power. They are not legitimate, they appointed themselves to these posts. As for the dill (this is how it is now), I had a very good opinion of them. Often they say "the people are not to blame."LYINGThey fell under the bandera. A lot of millions of people, under a bunch of rabble from the three western regions! So, for the most part, they share their ideas and beliefs. Maybe not as radically as the Banderlog, but they do! In general, now from now on and forever- " you are not my brother, gn.i.d.a ... " negative
      2. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        Mihaylo Tishayshiy 9 May 2014 09: 54
        +9
        Quote: platitsyn70
        civil wars lead to the fact that some destroy others and the world will not be here, it’s better to be divided.

        I think that federalization is now being talked about only out of inertia. Such a "federation" was initially implicated not in agreements and consent, but in blood - fake and will be short-lived.
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 9 May 2014 14: 58
          +4
          Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
          Quote: platitsyn70
          civil wars lead to the fact that some destroy others and the world will not be here, it’s better to be divided.

          I think that federalization is now being talked about only out of inertia. Such a "federation" was initially implicated not in agreements and consent, but in blood - fake and will be short-lived.

          It will be possible to talk about federalization only after the capture and cleansing of Kiev, Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk ...
      3. Sandov
        Sandov 9 May 2014 20: 47
        +2
        Quote: platitsyn70
        if the citizens of one country shoot each other, this is a civil war, and civil wars lead to the fact that some destroy others and there will be no peace here, it’s better to split up.

        There is talk about that, but on the top floor of the SBU there are jailbrokers and they order how and what to do.
    3. Letun
      Letun 9 May 2014 09: 33
      +8
      Quote: Alexey N
      Civil War. The people against fascism. Spaniards know and remember.

      It is strange that Ukrainians do not know and do not remember. The civil war on their territory was at times worse than the one that took place in Spain in the mid-30s.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 9 May 2014 15: 03
        +5
        Quote: Letun
        Quote: Alexey N
        Civil War. The people against fascism. Spaniards know and remember.

        It is strange that Ukrainians do not know and do not remember. The civil war on their territory was at times worse than the one that took place in Spain in the mid-30s.

        Nothing strange, those who remembered long ago left for a better world, and today they hammered a completely different "story" into their heads. Ukrainians are people with a perverted and invented past by external enemies and internal traitors.
    4. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 9 May 2014 09: 53
      +3
      Quote: Alexey N
      Spaniards know and remember.

      Not all Spaniards fought against Caudillo. Therefore, that war was civil.
      1. Alexey N
        Alexey N 9 May 2014 20: 45
        +1
        Right. But I can’t call the fascists a party to the conflict, and therefore become people. In addition, OUR ancestors fought on the side of the Republic
    5. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 9 May 2014 11: 36
      -28%
      Spaniards know and remember

      Well, yes, Franco, by the way, was a fascist. And what a country - sweetie!
      1. smile
        smile 9 May 2014 13: 05
        +13
        Alex_Popovson
        Well. sweet, then it is for us - when we come there with money ... but if dispatchers from Spain are forced to come to work in Ukraine, then .... ugly candy turns out. smelling bad ... :))) Don't you remember which countries included the Europeans themselves in the group with the enchanting name "PIGS"? :)))
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 9 May 2014 13: 49
          -11%
          dispatchers are forced to come

          I’ll tell you that these dispatchers have contracts in different countries of the world, and this is by no means because it is bad in Ispashka.
          Then, it is imperative to look not at how the government behaves and what economic rating the country has. It is necessary to look at social security and the standard of living. And believe me, it’s far not so bad, and even in comparison with Russia and the various post-Soviet suburbs, it’s a real sweetie, and it’s not at all odorous, but very tasty.
          For the sake of diversity, compare any hospital in Barcelona and in Moscow. All patriotism will disappear, and a bitter precipitate will remain that they may be Natsik-Geyropeis, but they are treated hundreds of times better even by Muscovites, what can we say about the rest of the country?
          1. tantalum
            tantalum 9 May 2014 14: 27
            +16
            Well, Duc, when you collect loans in a bank above the roof, you can eat deliciously and get well treated, and everything is great, BUT the time for PAYMENT comes and then it turns out that you need to tighten the belt. Cut salaries, pensions, social services, etc. But quite recently it seemed that the country was "sweet" and everything is so good :)
            PS But glory to the Dolar Almighty, you can always move to another sweetie whose payment term will be later only need to be scored for all sorts of nonsense such as patriotism and you will be happy :)
          2. Penzyac
            Penzyac 9 May 2014 15: 42
            +7
            Quote: Alex_Popovson
            dispatchers are forced to come

            ... You need to look at social security and the standard of living. And believe me, it’s far not so bad, and even in comparison with Russia and the various post-Soviet suburbs, it’s a real sweetie, and it’s not at all odorous, but very tasty.
            ...

            In Saudi Arabia, the level of social protection for its citizens is not much higher, do you think the almost complete absence of rights and freedoms is worth it?
            Really, the main thing for a person is that it is satisfying and comfortable, and the rest is nonsense?
            Then in the most humane conditions live home decorative cats and dogs from wealthy lovers.
            Your philosophy is the animal philosophy of a walking stomach.
            What can I say, it is good to live satisfying and comfortable. The question is - at what cost? The pupils of the "Hitler Jugend" also did not live badly in Hitler's Germany ...
            1. Alex_Popovson
              Alex_Popovson 10 May 2014 15: 10
              -2
              It’s bad for everyone, I don’t argue. However
              Your philosophy is the animal philosophy of a walking stomach.

              For the past thirty years, I have not noticed that the state has fed me or has taken care of me. Everything is sweat and blood. Yes, they require taxes from me. Do I have to pay taxes if every traffic policeman tries to rob me, and even gets offended when I take it off my phone, or when 3 thousand allowance for a third child?
              They tell me in the USSR there was a standard of living similar to the current one. But only I was sure that if I work, the state will provide me with what I deserve.
              Similarly in Europe. By the way, in Europe, doctors get well, because there, with an influx of all sorts of really unwashed niggas and Arabs, work has appeared, and moreover, it’s serious and a lot. In Geyrop, there is concern for people who, in principle, are not Europeans. And in Russia people will not be taken care of in the next 2 years, they certainly will not.
              1. strannik.it
                strannik.it 10 May 2014 21: 13
                +2
                Alex, about Europe, you’re wrong. At the moment, all subsidies for medicine and education have been cut by half. For example, you have to wait for an ultrasound scan for about 3 months, don’t you want it ?, go to a paid one and pay 40 euros for each organ and there are organs that cost 60-70. Only 3-5% of the population can afford it (a complete blood count is around 100. When these children come to school, as you say niggas, they are accepted without basic tests, parents are outraged, but the authorities it’s on the drum. As for democracy ... I think you have more in Russia than ours, believe me (experience 15 years), I live in Italy. At the expense of those who, in principle, are not Europeans, the Lafa is almost over, they are now thinking about external debt (more than 2,2 billion euro), how they will give it back, I don’t know! Industry is practically worth it, unemployment is 13%, everyone who is lucky is on social programs. Plants that have government orders work less ( thanks again to Russia). The situation, let's say not so!
            2. Alex_Popovson
              Alex_Popovson 10 May 2014 15: 34
              +1
              the complete lack of rights and freedoms is worth it

              Gracious and Merciful! A country living in Mohammedanism and Shariah does not need the European "rights and freedoms". Although, looking at the current Russian reality, it seems to me that there is no compensation for humiliation on the part of law enforcement agencies, corruption is legalized, although citizens who receive gifts from the King are even 100 thousand. dollars, as it is all the same, they nevertheless cover their expenses. And therefore they can improve in the sciences.
              And did you just think Saudiyya is such a powerful country? Money allows you to buy not only high-tech goods and services, but also the technology itself, education! But there is no question of the impact on foreign policy.
          3. smile
            smile 9 May 2014 16: 10
            +15
            Alex_Popovson

            I partially agree, but only very, very partially ..... :)))) Do not tell me about their social security - this is not true. The most banal. The standard of living is also a very very relative thing, I haven’t been to Spain, but I’ve been to France more often than to Spain, I’ve been to many times ... you know, as a whole, we live better and don’t shake every penny, as it is :)) ) .... so that it is not necessary la-la. And please do not mention ratings, do you really? who, for what and in what way creates these ratings? Well, don’t be so naive ... by the way, by their ability to pay debts recently, those called global rating agencies DROPPED our rating to Spain — well, you probably understand why this is done .... :))))
            And about medical care, I also don’t need to ... tryndet, excuse me ... :))) In Sweden, for example, you need to make an appointment with a GP for half a year ... :))) And how European doctors work , when they host a free reception, you can tell horror stories for a long time .... and absolutely truthful ...: for example. About. that the woman who gave birth, along with the baby, is thrown out of the hospital the next day. if her insurance does not allow her to be in the hospital))) Good medicine right? Strong in Spain is better? The fact that the level of medicine is better in Barcelona and Madrid than in Moscow is also not worth talking about ... maybe some of the technique acquired by the Spaniards is better, but talking about the level of medicine is ridiculous.

            And your statement that I will cease to be a patriot if I envy the equipment of someone else’s hospital (and not every local one can pay for its services ... :)))) you are very clearly characterized ... :))) Are you indeed, they are so mercantile and envious that you do not understand that patriotism does not depend on whether they pay for it or not? :))) I assure you, my attitude to the Motherland does not depend on its well-being ... :)))
            1. strannik.it
              strannik.it 10 May 2014 21: 21
              +2
              You are right for all 100. One to come as a tourist, and the other to live and go through everything.
          4. xan
            xan 9 May 2014 18: 56
            +6
            Quote: Alex_Popovson
            For the sake of diversity, compare any hospital in Barcelona and in Moscow. All patriotism will disappear, and a bitter precipitate will remain that they may be Natsik-Geyropeis, but they are treated hundreds of times better even by Muscovites, what can we say about the rest of the country?

            Complete nonsense of a person who does not represent the general standard of living in Barcelona and Moscow. Barcelona is a village with the exception of the center.
            1. Alex_Popovson
              Alex_Popovson 10 May 2014 15: 22
              -2
              Well, since in the "village" there are such powerful medical scientific and practical centers as BARRAQUER, and I went there as part of a delegation to exchange experience, then you know, I'd rather live in that village and study the existing methods, and not in Moscow, where doctors metal wheelchairs are periodically rolled into the MRI unit.
              1. kotvov
                kotvov 11 May 2014 10: 14
                +1
                Well, come on, that you dismissed the snot here. It’s better, then why are you rubbing here. You immediately, like Nigers and Arabs, will go to the best hospital and begin to heal. In Russia, you are clearly superfluous.
                1. Alex_Popovson
                  Alex_Popovson 15 May 2014 16: 26
                  0
                  Oh, what is such a painful reaction? Or are you the healthiest? By the way, as a doctor, I will tell you that you are superfluous in life.
          5. Michael_59
            Michael_59 10 May 2014 00: 20
            +3
            Quote: Alex_Popovson
            treated hundreds of times better

            And they live for thousands of years !!! wassat
            1. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 10 May 2014 06: 11
              +2
              Quote: Michael_59
              And they live for thousands of years !!!

              So what? Is Methuselah all over? And even supermafusaili (over 969 years)?
            2. Alex_Popovson
              Alex_Popovson 10 May 2014 15: 23
              0
              You’ll go to any orphanage, home for the disabled or a nursing home somewhere in the wilderness in Mordovia, you will understand what the conversation is about.
              1. xan
                xan 10 May 2014 20: 28
                +2
                Quote: Alex_Popovson
                You’ll go to any orphanage, home for the disabled or a nursing home somewhere in the wilderness in Mordovia, you will understand what the conversation is about.

                You are some kind of Alex Popovson, and clearly not Russian. Recently I read the letters of some mr.azei of the Second World War, they suggested not to fight against the intelligent European race, who have "everything is better everywhere." You are like them.
      2. alauda1038
        alauda1038 10 May 2014 01: 19
        +2
        then their sweetie sausages from the 30s of the 20th century
      3. yur
        yur 10 May 2014 01: 26
        +3
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        Well, yes, Franco, by the way, was a fascist. And what a country - sweetie!
        Firstly, it's not so sweet. Secondly and most importantly, all your "confetti" in Spain appeared only AFTER Franco's death.
      4. 120352
        120352 10 May 2014 10: 54
        +3
        Alex_Popovson
        Are you aware that this "candy" is in fact a colony of the US colony of the European Union? Are you aware that this candy is a bankrupt country? Are you aware that Spaniards prefer to live outside their home country? And why would it be?
        Look at EU economic statistics and what place Spain occupies there. And in general, do not trust the rumors spread by tourists. In all respects, Russia is a much more successful country.
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 10 May 2014 15: 39
          0
          In all respects, Russia is a much more successful country.

          Health, social security and satisfaction, mortality from chronic diseases per year. This, as it were, the WHO, speaks of points that contribute to the growth and recovery of the population. Compare Spanish figures with Russian ones. Unpleasantly surprised
          1. strannik.it
            strannik.it 10 May 2014 21: 29
            +2
            And you compare the percentage of suicides, let's see what kind of "healthier society". It is unpleasantly surprised, but it is not customary to say how mothers kill their children, then themselves. Our people living here are more resistant to crises and stresses.
      5. Shur
        Shur 10 May 2014 13: 19
        +1
        You swallow a candy made of human blood normally? Sugar and vanilla will be the sea. Can you? Eurogays with pleasure and for more than one hundred years.
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 10 May 2014 16: 02
          -2
          And where do the Europeans swallow blood sweets? The fact that they assimilate refugees from the Arab countries and the countries of the Caucasus, that they help people with the specialty of an engineer, doctor or scientist is probably trickier than inviting hundreds of thousands of Central Asians without a minimum education to Russia, can you find it?
      6. Fanat1984
        Fanat1984 10 May 2014 22: 54
        0
        Spain became candy not under Franco, but in the 90s, moreover, Franco had not been there for 50 years !!!
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 11 May 2014 16: 39
          0
          And nothing that Franco really ran until the 79th year? Learn history and there will be no talk of "50 years"
    6. major071
      major071 9 May 2014 12: 06
      +17
      Over all of Spain cloudless sky
      Republic. Ceuta. General Franco.
      And all Spaniards remember this phrase
      With which it began. And it all happened.
      When a country is violently divided
      The neighbor in the neighbor is aiming at the sight
      Where the vine is full of blood
      And the young father who buried his son turned gray
      Now the war has come to Ukraine
      And blood is pouring. Goes to brother brother.
      The car will not stop a meaningless fight
      And you won’t immediately understand who is right, who is to blame
      And no matter how people in the world would like
      On the lands of Ukraine it will not come for a long time
      There is no power in Ukraine. In Kiev - de.bily
      Screaming what Phashington will say
    7. Glafira
      Glafira 9 May 2014 15: 34
      +5
      About "remember" you got a little excited. In Spain, everywhere, demonstrating the historical charms of the country, the guides push the reasons for this splendor: everything is so great because Spain has not fought in a million thousand years. The Great Armada is sometimes remembered, but never the Blue Division. And Franco is generally a positive hero. Did you not know about his merits?
      Here is such a historical memory.
      1. Alexey N
        Alexey N 9 May 2014 20: 39
        +3
        Spaniards remember. Believe me. They did not even forgive the loss of colonies to the Americans. But the civilian and even more so not forgotten. Worthy nation, know their story.
        Communicated with the Spaniard wink
    8. Sandov
      Sandov 9 May 2014 20: 44
      +5
      Quote: Alexey N
      Civil War. The people against fascism. Spaniards know and remember.

      Crusaders are pushing the people of Ukraine to a full-scale war.
      1. Alexey N
        Alexey N 9 May 2014 20: 53
        +3
        More than half a century has passed, and the posters are relevant.
        1. Combitor
          Combitor 10 May 2014 00: 20
          +4
          Quote: Alexey N
          More than half a century has passed, and the posters are relevant.
    9. persei
      persei 9 May 2014 21: 25
      0
      this is not forgotten ...
  2. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 May 2014 07: 02
    +13
    I think people are filled with hate Not that word ! Here's what they can do from the country in 20 years of brainwashing!
    1. queen
      queen 9 May 2014 07: 08
      +10
      20 years of preparation and in half a year led to a civil war.
      1. Shur
        Shur 10 May 2014 13: 34
        0
        then take the whole term 420 years
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 9 May 2014 07: 22
      +22
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Not that word ! Here's what they can do from the country in 20 years of brainwashing!

      They, (not good people), are terribly upset that for 23 years their brains have been washed, and the developed, flourishing, in general, republic has been pros ... if ...
      But the very Svidomo fraternity can not be to blame! No.
      Guilty, of course, the oaths are m ... whether their Putin! yes
      And their brains were on one side and before washing. The fertile ground for sowing this very hatred and Nazism.
      It is necessary to treat such sowing with "drought" and "weeding." There is no other way.
      1. koshh
        koshh 9 May 2014 10: 05
        +5
        Quote: Alekseev
        It is necessary to treat such sowing with "drought" and "weeding." There is no other way.

        Indeed, only "drought" and "weeding". I think that the "drought" will last 2-3 years. God forbid, faster.
      2. svp67
        svp67 9 May 2014 13: 03
        +2
        Quote: Alekseev
        And their brains were on one side and before washing. The fertile ground for sowing this very hatred and Nazism.
        It is necessary to treat such sowing with "drought" and "weeding." There is no other way.
        A year is the time it took for a little correction after the first maidan ... In this situation, I think everything will start to happen faster ..
    3. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 9 May 2014 07: 37
      +9
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I think people are filled with hate Not that word ! Here's what they can do from the country in 20 years of brainwashing!

      Absolutely right! The undetermined manic evil of Bandera, which once grew up on the basis of inferiority complexes in Galicia - not the most prosperous part of Austria - Hungary, and the purposeful Russophobic propaganda organized by the United States for many years left nothing human in these degenerates. This is a lesson - how to eradicate evil and what prevention should be. Negotiations with them are perceived as cowardice and weakness. And for victims of propaganda from other regions of the former Ukraine, a lesson in punishment will be enough - the destruction of the instigators of this bloody, vile, fascist rebellion.
      1. koshh
        koshh 9 May 2014 10: 20
        +5
        Quote: 1812 1945
        And for victims of propaganda from other regions of the former Ukraine, a lesson in punishment will be sufficient - the destruction of the instigators of this bloody, vile, fascist rebellion.


        Believe me, this is not a sufficient lesson. Do not forget, brains were washed both in the west and in the east. But for some reason, they did not flush everyone. After all, it is not so easy for a person who remembers his history, his ancestors, his tongue, especially the Slav to brainwash. They were washed in those whose soil was prepared by Austro-Hungary, Poland, and the Nazis. And the parents of these pravoseki head for a long time on one side. And it’s useless to rinse their heads again, only with all the contents. So, whether we want it or not, there will be a lot of blood shed in Ukraine.
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 10 May 2014 06: 17
          +1
          Quote: koshh
          And they have no use washing their heads again

          You're right. When disbanding military unit 32937 (SGV = Poland), I recall Zhenya Shumsky, who stated that there was no life on the left bank of the Dnieper.
    4. Penzyac
      Penzyac 9 May 2014 15: 50
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I think people are filled with hate Not that word ! Here's what they can do from the country in 20 years of brainwashing!

      It’s more correct to say - not washing, but increased brain fouling, they will have to be washed from shit later, for a long time and hard.
  3. Alexey N
    Alexey N 9 May 2014 07: 06
    +93
    I didn’t think that I would ever see such a thing on the net.
    1. kingnothing
      kingnothing 9 May 2014 08: 36
      +23
      THANKS TO SUCH GRANDFATES !!! DO NOT POSAMIM !!!
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 9 May 2014 14: 07
        +14
        Quote: kingnothing
        THANKS TO SUCH GRANDFATES !!! DO NOT POSAMIM !!!


        We liberated Kiev more than once,
        Do not leave ours now!


        Grandfather, many years to you and health!
        Happy Victory Day !!!
  4. Tatarus
    Tatarus 9 May 2014 07: 08
    +6
    Hold on to the hero. May truth cut souls.
    And divides everyone into honest and b * cores.
    He hears one with normal ears.
    And the rest of the Scourge History.
  5. Manul49
    Manul49 9 May 2014 07: 23
    +10
    The Spaniard remembers the story. And we must not forget.

    Especially - on such a DAY.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 9 May 2014 07: 46
      +11
      Yes, they don’t remember the stories in Spain ... Like in all of Europe.
      I at one time had plenty of conversation with the Spaniards, where they have brainwashing in this regard no worse than in the United States.

      But, the fact that this guy put himself like that is three times valuable.
  6. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 May 2014 07: 48
    +17
    That's what they wanted to do from Ukraine, and it almost worked out .. The South-East prevented Russia, of course, too .. Now they decided to fill Ukraine with blood! Will not work..
  7. Deadmen
    Deadmen 9 May 2014 08: 01
    +7
    Nothing. Soon the top from Kiev will be evacuated by feet.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 9 May 2014 16: 02
      +1
      Quote: Deadmen
      Nothing. Soon the top from Kiev will be evacuated by feet.

      Feet forward, I hope?
    2. kush62
      kush62 9 May 2014 18: 32
      0
      Deadmen
      Nothing. Soon the top from Kiev will be evacuated by feet.

      Go ahead with their feet.
  8. zinander
    zinander 9 May 2014 08: 03
    +3
    Maybe even thanks to such people in the West they will find out the truth ...
    1. queen
      queen 9 May 2014 08: 17
      +3
      I would like to, but no ... there are brainwashed much finer than the western part of Ukraine.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 9 May 2014 09: 52
        +10
        Quote: regin
        there are brainwashed much finer than the western part of Ukraine.

        And the western part of Ukraine is SHAKING FROM FEAR TODAY !!! TOGETHER WITH THE JUNT SHAKING !!!

        And tomorrow was Victory Day
        Tomorrow is Victory Day. The great unconditional holiday that we will spend for the first time, ashamed of veterans and children, whom we proudly told for years that their great-grandfathers saved the planet from fascism, and who were taught to honor heroes, and now we hide our eyes and sigh heavily - how to explain the change in the common fate? No parades, no demonstrations, kuleshes and concerts. Rumors are rushing through cities and villages with a forest fire - tomorrow they will attack, beat, tear down St. George ribbons. Everyone is waiting for provocations and acts of intimidation. In a symbolic sense, the great holiday was canceled - for the first time we do not celebrate it widely, joyfully, and most importantly, publicly and solemnly, as has always been accepted. Be aware of this bitterly. In Zaporozhye, May 9 will be celebrated without a parade
        Read more here ...
        Source: http://polemika.com.ua/article-145138.html
        1. koshh
          koshh 9 May 2014 10: 36
          +5
          Quote: Egoza
          for the first time we do not celebrate it widely, joyfully, and most importantly, publicly and solemnly, as has always been accepted.


          I think and hope that everyone will support me, what is it in Ukraine
          happens the first and last time. Otherwise, it turns out that we all do not live, we simply exist on this Earth.
      2. asar
        asar 9 May 2014 10: 19
        0
        Yes, the "dummy" from a carefree life no longer works! The war is somewhere far away, beyond the seas, oceans! Relaxed in a well-fed, calm bliss! Plus - POWERFUL work of the media, controlled by the "top"!
  9. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 9 May 2014 08: 23
    +2
    Honest people will always bring the truth about the events in Ukraine to the whole world, despite the "smoke" curtain of lies set up by the Western media. The Spaniards remember the essence of fascism just as well as we do, and even their younger generation remembers and knows who is behind the inspirers of the murders of Ukrainians! But Mrs. Merkel, who grew up in a country where banned fascism causes, if not dislike, then bewilderment!
  10. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 9 May 2014 08: 52
    +5
    Well done, the guy was not afraid to spread the truth on the blog, there would be more such Europeans.
  11. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 9 May 2014 08: 58
    +11
    Pravoseki tasted blood and now only the grave will stop them. When there is no "enemy" at hand, they will cut each other. No wonder the Cossacks from the Crimea are not going to take them prisoner. To nothing! And they earned self-loathing ...
    1. skifd
      skifd 9 May 2014 11: 50
      +5
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      Pravoseki tasted blood and now only the grave will stop them.


      http://www.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Ostanovit_fashizm_na_Ukr



      aine /? cSEVxhb


      SIGN A PETITION

      Recognize Right Sector as a terrorist organization like Al Qaeda

      Please copy where possible.
    2. fedorovith
      fedorovith 9 May 2014 13: 50
      +2
      Absolutely true, and all the presidents in the "bundle" are also in this bunch of freaks, this is their merit
  12. circumcircle
    circumcircle 9 May 2014 09: 06
    +4
    Not so long ago, I remembered the brotherhood of our peoples, and now I see that this brotherhood and friendly relationship is preserved only in Russia and the pro-Russian regions. An animal reared for 20 years in Ukraine from 17 to 40 years old under a yellow-blue flag with parting words and encouragement Kiev authorities commit mass killings. You should know that no dialogue with the killers and their masters is possible, and thousands of these killers are subject to the same extermination. In the future plans of the West, Ukraine should attack Russia, because there is nowhere to put the energy of destruction, except for the junta to destroy its allies of yesterday with Jesuit cruelty by tying St. George ribbons to represent what pro-Russian movements do.
    1. Altor86
      Altor86 9 May 2014 13: 04
      +3
      Let them attack. It will be easier to explain the presence of the Russian governor in Lviv. wassat
  13. zollstab
    zollstab 9 May 2014 09: 15
    +6
    At our genetic level, the spirit of the winner is laid, and with each VICTORY in the war it only grows. Happy Victory Day. HURRY!
  14. pts-m
    pts-m 9 May 2014 09: 40
    0
    as the people say, "TRUTH EYE OF THE EYE". therefore, the junta with their dad in the face of the black Obama are fighting the truth, whatever it is!
  15. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 9 May 2014 09: 58
    0
    ... I listened and took out my wife and daughter from Ukraine during the day. ”

    Howling with wolves. So the Spaniard decided to remain a man, and he saved his family.
  16. Giant thought
    Giant thought 9 May 2014 10: 09
    +2
    When people do not perceive the truth, but live only in their illusory world, divorced from reality, this means that they are doomed, by and large.
    1. asar
      asar 9 May 2014 10: 28
      +3
      The West has long been doomed! With his deceitful morality, his bl ... mi interests! A little bit of history - Ancient Rome fell not only from the hordes of nomads, as if the West did not want to continue to believe in this fairy tale! The whole way of life of the ancient Romans was rotten through and through, morality was violated! It was worth a little push and everything fell apart! And what are we seeing today in the West ?! France, England ... - same-sex marriages are allowed, in the US Army you can serve people with non-traditional sexual orientation ... More examples ?!
      1. ver_
        ver_ 9 May 2014 14: 55
        -2
        It's too primitive .... The history of Rome is written off from Russia ... Gaius Julius Caesar is written off from Yuri-George Dolgoruky = Saint George = George the Victorious = Caesar (firstborn) of Khan = Genghis Khan ..., Alexander the Great is written off from Alexander Nevsky. .. Dolgoruky's brother - Ivan Kalita = John Caliph = Holy Father Khan = Batya Khan = Batu Khan = Yaroslav Vsevolodovich ... He founded the Vatican (Batukhan) during the second campaign to "Europe" and summoned his son Alexander where he began to rule the island of Crete - and buried there ...
        1. andrewvlg
          andrewvlg 9 May 2014 21: 51
          +4
          Quote: ver_
          This is too primitive .... The history of Rome is written off from Russia ...

          We could not continue further. Did Fomenko tell you this? Unrecognized historian of genius. Not a single scientific work, but a sea of ​​"junk literature". How many more naive people will believe in these "fairy tales", you - "minus" for spreading lies.
          1. andj61
            andj61 9 May 2014 22: 03
            +4
            Fomenko is also needed! The current version of history, or rather, the chronology of historical events, coming from Scaliger and Pettavius, is based on astrology and numerology. Even Newton, who lived in those days, and with him, and after him, a bunch of scientists objected to this chronology. History, in principle, is precisely known to us only from the 15th to 16th centuries.
            The merit of Fomenko is that he drew attention to the absurdities in historical facts and their explanations. He also gives his own version of the story, but precisely as an option, and invites him to the dispute. That's just no one wants to argue with him.
            I do not think that Fomenko is right about everything. He often gets carried away. In his various books, he contradicts himself. But it helps to understand that there is much invented in the official history. Read the book by Fomenko, Nosovsky "The Slavic Conquest of the World" - you will learn a lot of interesting things that the official history is silent about. But I like Bushkov more with his series of books on the history of Russia, very interesting.
            1. andrewvlg
              andrewvlg 9 May 2014 22: 18
              +4
              I believe that history, although humanitarian, is still a scientific discipline. If Fomenko’s books had ideas, approaches unknown to science, let them be erroneous in some ways, but fruitful, there would be a mass of scientific papers (articles, dissertations). But there is none of this.
              Quote: andj61
              Read the book by Fomenko, Nosovsky "The Slavic Conquest of the World" - you will learn a lot of interesting things that the official history is silent about.

              Silent textbooks on history. Professional historians are silent about nothing (except in countries such as Ukraine, but you can always publish work abroad).
              Fomenko's historical "hypotheses" have already been refuted a hundred times, but he continues to "invite to the dispute." It would be much more effective if he published scientific works, and not "popular" literature.
              1. andj61
                andj61 9 May 2014 22: 35
                +2
                And you look at the argument: this is not so, because everyone has established that ...
                Or: everyone knows that ...
                It is now recognized by all that Troy was dug up by Schliemann, etc. But if in our time someone would try, like Schliemann (adventurer, but not a historian, not an archaeologist!) To present the results of excavations in this way, then everyone will make him laugh! No exact place, no layer, where and what was discovered, no date - nothing! But at the same time, the later confessions of the jeweler from Marseilles, a native of Odessa, that he had made gold jewelry by order of Schliemann, are not even taken into account now.
                And such facts are full.
                But Fomenko is not a historian, he is engaged in applied mathematics. Where did he start? From the boundary conditions set by mythology, legends and historical descriptions (including the Bible), from the arrangements of stars and planets in paintings, in Egyptian tombs, etc. He calculated the date of the event. (The Birth of Jesus is a Star of Bethlehem, etc.) So these dates did not correspond - for many hundreds of years, generally accepted. Further, he (Fomenko) was a scientific pop. fiction. But serious scientists do not want to discuss anything like this. In this case, credibility can be lost, not earned!
                1. andrewvlg
                  andrewvlg 9 May 2014 22: 51
                  0
                  I have nothing against scientific discoveries, even if they radically change our ideas about something.
                  Quote: andj61
                  But serious scientists do not want to discuss anything like this. In this case, credibility can be lost, not earned!

                  I repeat the question: why Fomenko will not write, for example, a candidate (doctoral) on this topic, then serious scientists will be required to discuss with him.
                  Since Fomenko's "theories" turn the whole history after R.Kh. (?) you can defend a whole bunch of scientific papers, if not by yourself, then by Fomenko's students.
                  What to lose then? Well, he won’t protect him - he won’t protect him, but he will argue and discuss with scientists. This is if the goal is to contribute to science.
                  In this case, credibility can be lost, not earned!

                  Authority, of course, can be lost, but the title of Doctor of Science (possibly academician) is at stake. I think this is a sufficient incentive for an experiment if a person himself believes in the "Fomenko theory".
                  1. andj61
                    andj61 9 May 2014 23: 19
                    +2
                    Quote: andrewvlg
                    In this case, credibility can be lost, not earned!
                    Authority, of course, can be lost, but the title of Doctor of Science (possibly academician) is at stake. I think this is a sufficient incentive for an experiment if a person himself believes in the "Fomenko theory".

                    A. T. Fomenko is already an academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences, mathematics (applied). He doesn't need a Ph.D. or doctoral dissertation. The popularization of ideas is carried out by Dr. G.V. Nosovsky. He, along the way, also has no task to engage in SCIENTIFIC work. And professional historians do not develop this topic precisely for the reasons indicated by me earlier. ATFomenko and GVNosovskiy are now simply "cutting money" on the interest in the topic he raised. Now we have reached the point that the interpretation of events in some books contradicts the interpretation in others. At the same time, there are many inserts with argumentation from the conceptual apparatus and methods of applied mathematics, which is difficult to read and perceive by an unprepared person.
                    It needs a professional historian to figure it out. And historians do not consider it necessary to do this. At best, they will seize on the obvious "proser" that AT Fomenko and GV Nosovsky admit as non-professionals. Further, the argumentation at the level - everyone knows that A.T. Fomenko and G.V. Nosovsky do not understand anything in history.
                    A thoughtful analysis of their arguments (not at the level of variants of historical events, but at the level - as in reality in our history a chronology of historical events was established) - is absent.
                    1. andrewvlg
                      andrewvlg 10 May 2014 00: 08
                      0
                      At your service "Antifomenko", Collection of the Russian Historical Society N3 (151). M., "Russian Panorama", 2000
                      Link http://hbar.phys.msu.ru/gorm/library/book2.htm
                      Pay attention to the article
                      Gorodetsky M.L. Fundamental mathematical error in mathematical-statistical methods A.T. Fomenko
                      It criticizes the vicious approach itself (statistical).
                      Yours faithfully, hi
                      1. andj61
                        andj61 10 May 2014 07: 28
                        +1
                        Thanks for the link. A number of articles are familiar to me, and, in general, do not go beyond the scope of the arguments that I have cited. Article
                        Gorodetsogo M.L. "A fundamental mathematical error in the mathematical and statistical methods of AT Fomenko" certainly hits Fomenko, but not his entire theory, but his method. With the theory of parallelism in history, when he shortens history, claiming that the same ist. the figures are described more than once (to fill the missing centuries after the confirmation of the date of Christ's birth by Scaliger) are surprising. He has worse examples. Ivan Vasilievich III and Ivan Vasilievich IV. He claims that this is one person based on the parallelism of events, although this is a grandfather and a grandson .. But we have preserved real material evidence of the existence of both (letters, chronicles, records in monasteries, coins, etc.). The same is true for the khans Tokhtamysh and Tokhta, etc.
                        I was talking about something else. The current history is based on the date of birth of Christ "established" with the help of numerology and astrology by Scaliger and Pettavius. This method cannot be scientific. And historians use the results of this fact! Consequently, the dating of many events "tied" to the birth of Christ, or to which this birth is tied, becomes incorrect. This moment is still waiting for its historian!
                        Yours faithfully, hi
              2. AVIATOR36662
                AVIATOR36662 10 May 2014 00: 29
                +1
                And you are not too lazy and read all the scientific works of Fomenko and Nosovsky how to indulge. Reading about twenty books of a certain direction is not a quick matter. A book is a source of knowledge. It is not by chance that the truth in books was banned, illiterate people are easier to manage. A wonderful current example with Ukraine confirms this. Why know the truth? For the truth, power. Even now there are films, it's easier to get acquainted.
                1. andrewvlg
                  andrewvlg 10 May 2014 00: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: AVIATOR36662
                  And you are not too lazy and read all the scientific works of Fomenko and Nosovsky how to indulge.

                  Do you consider all the works of Fomenko and Nosovsky scientific?
                  Then it turns out that someone else is balabolit, not me.
                  I gave the link above to the collection of scientific articles refuting Fomenko.
                  http://hbar.phys.msu.ru/gorm/library/book2.htm
                  Have you read them?
                  Sincerely.
                  1. 11111mail.ru
                    11111mail.ru 10 May 2014 06: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: andrewvlg
                    Have you read them? Sincerely.

                    Gentlemen, comrades, I apologize for getting involved in a dispute between the "neophytes of Fomenko / Nosovsky" and their antipodes. hi However, even in a school textbook from the times of the USSR (to my great regret I do not remember: for the sixth or fifth grade) there was a mention of the "dark ages" and Scaliger's chronology. It was! This is the "hook" from which the "officials" will not be able to jump off, and the "Nosov-Fomenkovites" will not have enough resources to write history.
                  2. andj61
                    andj61 10 May 2014 07: 35
                    0
                    Quote: andrewvlg
                    Do you consider all the works of Fomenko and Nosovsky scientific?


                    Of course, their works are ONLY non-fiction, and then, rather, popular! Actually science in them a little!
                    Their usefulness lies only in what makes you think about how and on the basis of which the dating of various events in different countries and their binding to each other were established.
              3. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 10 May 2014 06: 28
                0
                Quote: andrewvlg
                Fomenko's historical "hypotheses" a hundred times disproved but he

                Per digit do you guarantee? M. b. just to say in Russian "many times", and the meaning is not lost and the essence is preserved?
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 10 May 2014 06: 24
          0
          Quote: ver_
          This is too primitive ....

          Do not philosophize, it does not paint you. Facts can be interpreted in different ways. In ancient Greece, there was even a pseudoscientific discipline called sophistry, instead of which "enlightened Europe" created "casuistry".
  17. HAM
    HAM 9 May 2014 11: 17
    0
    True eyes burns, not everyone in Europe is oland and nuland !!!!!
  18. Polarfox
    Polarfox 9 May 2014 11: 21
    +2
    In Donetsk there was a negro boy, the guys told me. He also spoke very actively on the side of the Donbass. They said they were sent as persona non grata.
  19. aud13
    aud13 9 May 2014 11: 41
    +2
    People are filled with hate
    It's not just about zombies. It’s just that many of those who aspire to Europe thought that they would improve their present life, someone will have a light at the end of the tunnel.
    And what actually happened?
    In the country it is not clear what!
    Crimea disconnected and other regions were approaching.
    They certainly won’t get to Europe soon, and life is guaranteed to get worse. The eternal question arises: Who is to blame and what to do?
    Admit to myself that in the collapse of the country and the deterioration of my life it’s not comfortable somehow, so it’s very easy to take on faith that the damned are to blame, which must be destroyed accordingly. Well, along with them, and those Ukrainians-who do not support the point of view of the coup.
  20. plastun
    plastun 9 May 2014 11: 57
    +3
    Yo te saludo Carlos. You are a brave and fair person!
  21. Diter
    Diter 9 May 2014 12: 04
    0
    Quote: Alex_Popovson
    Spaniards know and remember

    Well, yes, Franco, by the way, was a fascist. And what a country - sweetie!

    In this case, inaccurate terminology takes place. Between Franco and Banderlog - a huge distance.
  22. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 9 May 2014 12: 05
    +8

    Well, yes, Franco, by the way, was a fascist. And what a country - sweetie!


    Well, yes, sweetie ... Catalonia strives to secede, debt 170% of GDP, 2,5 trillion dollars, unemployment 30% ..... sweetie? the whole west is in debt like silk, caliphs for an hour
  23. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 9 May 2014 12: 26
    +5
    The history is mainly of the West ... There was a friendly people in Spain, but as always, the people are one thing, homo-government is another. The new charter of Svidomo: paragraph 1. Svidomo is always right. P2. If Svidomo is not right, see P1. am
  24. Lelek
    Lelek 9 May 2014 12: 28
    +22
    It is a pity to Ukraine - the country was beautiful. The Nazis, the junta and Bandera is not concerned. bully
    1. Sour
      Sour 9 May 2014 19: 13
      +10
      My uncle served in the NKVD and MGB troops in Western Ukraine, from 1944 to 1948. Already in the postwar period, he earned 2 wounds and 2 medals. He was successively a sergeant, junior lieutenant, lieutenant. His conscience never tormented him. And I did not hear a single good word about the local population from him.
  25. Committee
    Committee 9 May 2014 12: 50
    +3
    Putin should not go to Europe for the holiday of the landing of allies, provocations are possible, everyone will forgive him: Crimea and gas, but the "Golden Ruble" - he will not be forgiven for sure. And he was invited as soon as he only mentioned this ruble.
  26. frejaodina
    frejaodina 9 May 2014 12: 59
    +2
    Quote: Letun
    Quote: Alexey N
    Civil War. The people against fascism. Spaniards know and remember.

    It is strange that Ukrainians do not know and do not remember. The civil war on their territory was at times worse than the one that took place in Spain in the mid-30s.

    It is strange that the Poles do not remember how their inhabitants were massacred. Memory is generally a strange thing, prone to amnesia. Especially when it comes to dividing "cookies" among the slaves allocated by the owners
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 9 May 2014 13: 05
      +1
      Quote: frejaodina
      It is strange that the Poles do not remember how they cut out their inhabitants. Memory is generally a strange thing, prone to amnesia

      the Poles remember. it’s just beneficial for them not to remind about it now.
      1. ddmm09
        ddmm09 9 May 2014 15: 02
        +3
        These Poles do not remember anything, although in percentage terms it was they who suffered the most severe losses in World War II, the Germans killed them much more than the citizens of the USSR. The squalor of this nation is surprising, they as a result attribute the Germans to Russians, they hate us
        1. igordok
          igordok 9 May 2014 17: 47
          +1
          Quote: ddmm09
          These Poles do not remember anything, although in percentage terms it was they who suffered the most severe losses in World War II, the Germans killed them much more than the citizens of the USSR. The squalor of this nation is surprising, they as a result attribute the Germans to Russians, they hate us

          They are offended. Great Poland capitulated a month later (October 6), and some Russia did not give up and won.
          Ordinary human envy.
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 9 May 2014 21: 47
          0
          Quote: ddmm09
          these Poles, although in percentage terms it was they who suffered the most severe losses in World War II, the Germans killed them much more than Soviet citizens

          According to Samsonov = the historian of the Soviet era, Poles 6,5 million. Russians 9,7 million. Then where did 67 thousand "pshek" come from among the prisoners taken by the Red Army? Probably "AK" and "AL" were still different structures, based on different people in the ethnic group.
        3. Shur
          Shur 10 May 2014 14: 03
          0
          They are lumps and only by blood of brotherly are they close to us. Otherwise, the eternal fratricide is cursed.
  27. Altor86
    Altor86 9 May 2014 13: 08
    +1
    The Spaniard is well done. But no one will listen to him, in Europe.
  28. alex_83
    alex_83 9 May 2014 13: 52
    +1
    GOOD CARLOS! Sorry EUROPE USA ALL HOLES PUT IN !!!!
  29. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 May 2014 14: 01
    +18
    After all, Ukraine, you were also such quilted jackets (your grandfathers and great-grandfathers ..) Turn on your brains ..
  30. Santor
    Santor 9 May 2014 14: 19
    +4
    Quote: Baikal
    Now the main task of Russia is to direct this hatred against the root causes of the conflict.
    People should know the "heroes" by sight, so to speak.
    And to be able to hammer these heroes in the throat of their mattress banner.


    Are you sorry from the oak tree collapsed ??? There is fierce hatred specifically for Russia, and they themselves cannot explain it, they just hate it stupidly.



    Here is the Russian city of Dnepropetrovsk celebrating the burning of people in Odessa joyfully ... See ... To introduce our troops there, how do everyone advocate? What would this youngster shoot our soldiers in the back ??

    Here a fighter of the right sector came the other day with friends to Simferopol "to help the lads fight the Moscow occupiers" ... I will not talk about his mental development here, but the lad sincerely believes that the entire people of Crimea are fighting for the Ukrainians with arms in their hands against the Russian invaders. And he came to die for Ukraine. Sincerely ... Listen to how he yells "I’m here for you" and "I hate Russians and Russia."

    1. xan
      xan 9 May 2014 19: 25
      +2
      Quote: Santor
      Are you sorry from the oak tree collapsed ??? There is fierce hatred specifically for Russia, and they themselves cannot explain it, they just hate it stupidly.

      Ukraine is not a fraternal country, it must be recognized, and clearly proceed from this. Dill themselves chose their present and future. The Russians do not need them as allies, but as enemies are funny and despised. We need our people with our lands.
    2. Shur
      Shur 10 May 2014 14: 20
      0
      He’s a normal janissary. Is it not for this that they came up with such a use of their own against their own?
    3. Rohon
      Rohon 10 May 2014 18: 30
      0
      Warrior horseradish, narik finished .........
    4. dozent
      dozent 11 May 2014 01: 14
      0
      and such scumbags were given weapons
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    6. kotvov
      kotvov 11 May 2014 10: 37
      0
      to take off his pants, and to flog it with a whip. Moreover, he is chopped off. Thus, he only gets through the bottom.
  31. Gala
    Gala 9 May 2014 14: 36
    +5
    There are no selfless soldiers like the Russians. You can weigh yourself with modern weapons, electronics, create robot soldiers, etc., but sacrifice and courage on the assembly line can not be gathered. These qualities are the gene pool of the Russian people.
  32. cosmonavt
    cosmonavt 9 May 2014 14: 45
    +3
    What are people turning into?
    Glory to Ukraine?
    Without Ukrainians. Because soon the population will not be there. Americans through the right sector will slaughter everyone.
  33. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 9 May 2014 15: 14
    +6
    And there is no need to prove anything to the geyrope now. SE will join the RF, let them try to pick it up. Fence off the rest of the Bandera region with the Border, turn off the gas, let them cook food on the fire. Or they buy from the Germans for the 2nd price. There is no money of my own and there is no place to get it. Except for the puddle handouts. American taxpayers will soon replace the president and ask where our hard-earned money goes? The freebie will end. Banderia will enter the EU, there will be a mass of female and male cannibals selling holes in the body for a low price. There are no so many buyers of "holes" in the EU. PS-s will starve and arrange "expropriation" for the geyrope. A couple of years. No politics - pure economy! bully
  34. Cristall
    Cristall 9 May 2014 15: 40
    +5
    Quote: Santor
    Here is the Russian city of Dnepropetrovsk celebrating the burning of people in Odessa joyfully ... See ... To introduce our troops there, how do everyone advocate? What would this youngster shoot our soldiers in the back ??

    Turn off the Ukrainian news and turn on the TRUTH ... after all, the zombie man and the rest of the media indicated that Putin did everything, and Ukraine saved the poor .. Here they are for a single country, which is not to blame for the scum under the slogans For the Motherland, they have monopolized the right of the media to kill and be innocent.
    The media machine ... neutralizing it is the best counterattack. But how to do it if FALSE in the media was legalized in Ukraine *? By disabling your opponent (Russian media), you can calmly blame everything on him.
    However, there is still the Internet ... and only thanks to it people only now recognize the PRAVDA.
    And the young is like a sponge - it absorbs everything they say ... They say everywhere the enemy is in Ukraine, the enemies burned in Odessa .. a specific person is to blame - and people are already under hypnosis.
    Gipnozhaba - zomboyaschik of Ukraine ...
    1. Shur
      Shur 10 May 2014 14: 35
      0
      Zomboyaschik Made in Yusa
  35. sv68
    sv68 9 May 2014 16: 29
    +1
    Well, what do you seignor wanted if for 23 years people were brainwashed and as a result of this experiment, their heads are completely demolished and hatred of everything that does not lie in their plane of worldview and in ukroinsky INSUITED reality
  36. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 9 May 2014 17: 37
    +1
    Quote: Alex_Popovson
    dispatchers are forced to come

    For the sake of diversity, compare any hospital in Barcelona and in Moscow. All patriotism will disappear, and a bitter precipitate will remain that they may be Natsik-Geyropeis, but they are treated hundreds of times better even by Muscovites, what can we say about the rest of the country?

    Oh my god, where do so many narrow-minded people come from? Dear, you think like a schoolboy who was shown a "beautiful life". You don't have enough brains to understand WHY is this happening?
  37. Lukich
    Lukich 9 May 2014 18: 01
    +5
    bring a match to a candle

    http://www.22.taranenko.biz

    Happy Holiday !!!
  38. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 9 May 2014 18: 08
    +1
    The man simply told what he saw with his own eyes, told while in Ukraine ... talking to local residents.
    Well done ... she’s a hole in the wall of lies.
  39. Lukich
    Lukich 9 May 2014 19: 11
    +5
    Well, GDP, and already recruited the dispatcher. just like snowden, all the outskirts of secrets told
  40. MG42
    MG42 9 May 2014 19: 14
    0
    Victory Day in Mariupol: More than 20 people killed in military clashes
    Today, on May 9, in Mariupol (the second largest and most important city in Donetsk region), despite the Victory Day celebrations, the Ukrainian security forces are conducting an "anti-terrorist operation." The IA REGNUM correspondent was informed about this in the press service of the Donetsk Regional State Administration.

    "According to doctors, today during the anti-terrorist operation in Mariupol, three people were killed, another 25 were injured and taken to the city's medical and preventive institutions. The health department does not currently have information about the identity of the killed and wounded," the statement said.

    According to the activist of the Donetsk People's Republic Yevgeny Tinyansky, "fighters of the ultra-nationalist organization" Right Sector "drive around Mariupol in armored personnel carriers, they shoot at everything that moves from heavy machine guns. 4 people were killed by the militia during the day."

    De facto Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said that a group of "terrorists" of about 60 people armed with automatic weapons had launched an attack on the city police department in Mariupol, without any preliminary demands. "A battle took place in the building. It turned into a full-scale military clash, due to the approach of reinforcements from the Armed Forces and the Omega unit of the National Guard. As a result of the battle, according to him, a significant part of the terrorist group was destroyed - about 20 terrorists were destroyed, 4 were taken in A significant part of the attackers, having thrown down their weapons, fled to residential areas of the city, "Avakov notes. "Our losses - one killed, 5 wounded. Losses in the armed forces are being specified. The building of the city department is engulfed in flames," he added.

    Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1800077.html#ixzz31EPadSVM

    photo of the killed cop today in Mariupol >>
    1. MG42
      MG42 9 May 2014 19: 26
      +4
      The ukrovoyaks opened targeted fire on civilians in Mariupol today, more than 20 people died, the shooting continues >>
  41. Partisan Kramaha
    Partisan Kramaha 9 May 2014 19: 29
    0
    Quote: Santor
    Quote: Baikal
    Now the main task of Russia is to direct this hatred against the root causes of the conflict.
    People should know the "heroes" by sight, so to speak.
    And to be able to hammer these heroes in the throat of their mattress banner.


    Are you sorry from the oak tree collapsed ??? There is fierce hatred specifically for Russia, and they themselves cannot explain it, they just hate it stupidly.



    Here is the Russian city of Dnepropetrovsk celebrating the burning of people in Odessa joyfully ... See ... To introduce our troops there, how do everyone advocate? What would this youngster shoot our soldiers in the back ??

    Here a fighter of the right sector came the other day with friends to Simferopol "to help the lads fight the Moscow occupiers" ... I will not talk about his mental development here, but the lad sincerely believes that the entire people of Crimea are fighting for the Ukrainians with arms in their hands against the Russian invaders. And he came to die for Ukraine. Sincerely ... Listen to how he yells "I’m here for you" and "I hate Russians and Russia."


    Shaw, I didn’t understand anything from the words of this creature! This is not a Ukrainian mov and not even a zapadetskiy surzhik! A crazy set of words!
  42. AKKUL
    AKKUL 9 May 2014 19: 40
    0
    Horror deranged creature-these are what the "masters of the world" need now
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  44. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 9 May 2014 21: 32
    -1
    Quote: Alexey N
    Right. But I can’t call the fascists a party to the conflict, and therefore become people.

    For the Spanish = "caudillo" supporters, "the engineers of human souls" (on the other hand) coined the term "traditionalists". For Italian participants in the Spanish Civil War, the term "fascism" fits 100%; for the "national socialists" of Germany = "fascism" is not acceptable due to the fact of their self-determination (gentlemen-comrades, let's stop using the terms imposed on us by the "moderators of the description of history".
    Quote: Alexey N
    OUR ancestors fought on the side of the Republic

    Aleksey N: Did the Orthodox take part in killing democracy in Spain? If yes, then confirm with links to sources. If "No", then again, confirm with links to sources.
  45. gammipapa
    gammipapa 9 May 2014 23: 18
    +1
    It’s bad, of course, everything in Ukraine, what can I say, Santor’s videos just killed, there’s just no words.
    But on the other hand, in Syria and Libya, the result of American thought is already on the face, let's see how much smarter Ukrainians will be.

    I often recall here the article was about three years ago about Libya. Just bumped into memory. Type writes a letter to one Libyan friend. Our brother is a revolution, we are all so happy, the people are just beating in ecstasy. Soon we will live very well, democracy and equality of opportunity.
    Everyone here answered in one voice with one voice - buy a fool a big jar of petroleum jelly, it will come in handy very soon.
    The guy was offended then, if only to listen to his opinion after three years of democracy.
  46. Baikal
    Baikal 10 May 2014 03: 53
    0
    Everyone !!! I urge you to distribute this video!
    Everyone should know how was May 9 in Mariupol and what kind of "separatists" were killed!


  47. Cossack Ermak
    Cossack Ermak 10 May 2014 12: 41
    0
    And what does he hide his eyes?
  48. Polarfox
    Polarfox 10 May 2014 13: 50
    0
    Poems by Konstantin Kushnarenko:

    Ukraine is no more.
    Burned flesh in the nostrils
    At gunpoint of hellish hundreds -
    A white light shuddered.
    Ukraine is no more.
    There are no more Ukrainians.
    Only punishers, killers.
    Yellow blue spooky color.
    Ukraine is no more.
    There are Galicians, fascists,
    There are madmen, there are Baptists.
    From people only a silhouette.
    Ukraine is no more.
    Only pain to others and grief
    In genocide and terror.
    Only flour. Only nonsense ...
    Ukraine is no more.
  49. Artem1967
    Artem1967 10 May 2014 13: 53
    0
    Freedom of speech is European, however ..
  50. Yellow white
    Yellow white 10 May 2014 14: 58
    0
    History repeats itself, Spain has not forgotten the civil war, the Francoists and the German Legion "Condor" ..
    Now this is "Graystoune" and others like them, we have already seen the video and Poles and pasta and other gathering ... and, as always, in the best traditions Ours are not mercenaries, but VOLUNTEERS, for the truth, not money, I am sure this time it will work out with exactly the opposite, not like in Spain ...