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Referendum - what's next?

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Referendum - what's next?



I caught the speaker of the Council of the Donetsk People's Republic, the co-chairman of the government, Vladimir Makovich, when he was in a hurry from the government meeting to the Council meeting. And yet he agreed to give an interview to Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

Vladimir Ivanovich, preparations for the referendum are in full swing. The CEC was created, funds were found, voter lists were printed. But the expression of will is impossible without the assistance of law enforcement. Which side is the police?

Vladimir Makovich: The militia from day one is practically everywhere with us. Its chiefs, in general, have already understood that they are in the territory of the Donetsk People's Republic and are obliged to do everything possible so that there is order and there is no criminal activity. Understand the duties of the police - to maintain order in crowded places. At the referendum will cluster. The militia together with our vigilantes will keep order. Squads are created everywhere. And no politics!

The referendum will be held, and then what? 12 May a new life begin? How will you build relationships with your neighbors? And above all with Ukraine, which does not recognize the referendum?

Makovich: Relations with neighbors already exist. Old Donetsk Republic is now the former Donetsk region of Ukraine. It can be assumed that Lugansk will follow us. Kharkov seeks us. These are communities that want to join the republic. We know about violent actions against nikolayevets, inhabitants of Odessa and Kherson. We have heard about the Rusins, who also demand their statehood. Any will of the people in the referendum will be treated with respect.

Donetsk Republic was declared another 7 April. Why another referendum?

Makovich: The act of proclaiming the republic was signed on April 7 and entered into force immediately after it was signed. But we hold a referendum to get an unequivocal answer that the people want.

What will happen to ties with Ukraine? This includes food supplies, coal purchases, and much more ...

Makovich: Nobody talks about a sharp cessation of economic ties. It is simply impossible. This comes pensions and subsidies. From here taxes and fees. While everything works. We did not block any program, so as not to harm. But if something happens, then surely there will be people who are ready to support us at this crucial stage. He loses only those who try to make this break.

In the leaflets there is the phrase "A referendum is all incomes remain in the republic!". Suppose revenues remain in the Donbass. Do you think Kiev will be silent?

Makovich: This will not happen immediately. Firstly, the counting of votes will take place and the results of the referendum will be announced. At the second stage, elections of prosecutors, heads of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Security Service, courts will be held. This year we will ensure the election of all heads of law enforcement agencies. Then there will be new parliamentary elections. Then we will adopt the Constitution.

And the presidential election?

Makovich: Not ready to talk about the presidency. Perhaps we will have a parliamentary republic. There is no point in discussing this. The people will say their word!

Kiev says that mines are subsidized by the center. And what will you do if nobody will buy your coal?

Makovich: And you do not know? Miners recently wrote an open letter to their colleagues from Western Ukraine and Polish Silesia. There, the background of all the hype about these Kiev statements is very clearly drawn. The governments of Britain and Germany, in order to defuse social tensions, are discovering previously closed mines in their 40-60. And in order to clear the market for their expensive coal, they demand that Kiev close the mines in Silesia, Western Ukraine and the Donbas. There is such a letter. You can read.

What happens to private property in the Donbas?

Makovich: Everything will remain as it is. Except when there are court decisions on this.

And the mine Rinat Akhmetov?

Makovich: Irrelevant! Republican property will only be that which belongs to the state.
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  1. rasputin17
    rasputin17 April 29 2014 18: 31
    +15
    And then everything is easier than steamed turnips as they say with us !!
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    2. Baikal
      Baikal April 29 2014 18: 53
      +32
      The essence of the policy of the Kiev gang in one picture:
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru April 29 2014 23: 18
        +6
        hi

        And where to go to a Christian ...
    3. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 April 29 2014 19: 32
      +7
      the main thing is that there should be no civil war.
    4. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 29 2014 19: 44
      +10
      Quote: rasputin17
      And then everything is easier than steamed turnips as they say with us !!

      As life can kill love, so the young state can kill the socio-economic component! I really respect the people rebelled against the junta, but without R.F. to build a state will not work. Yes, and with the help of R.F. there may not be enough resources.
      Such shocks would be about shouldering in a society united by ONE idea and for this they are ready to go all the way!
      Here, unfortunately, there is no monolith, and as a result, internal graters are inevitable! I’m not talking about external ones from Ukraine, either!
      1. ed65b
        ed65b April 29 2014 21: 18
        +3
        A example of Transnistria and Karabakh.
        1. jjj
          jjj April 29 2014 21: 41
          +1
          Transnistria and Karabakh are small territories. But they live not only at the expense of their forces
          1. Reserve officer
            Reserve officer April 29 2014 22: 21
            +9
            Of course. The new republic will become self-sufficient after some time. With the help of Russia, of course.
            But it would be very logical if separate small republics did not arise, but it would be possible to unite the whole of New Russia - with Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson, Odessa, Kharkov. And to join also Transnistria. That would be really serious.
            And I, excuse me, no longer believe in the unification of all these areas with the center and west of Ukarina within one country.
            1. Onotollah
              Onotollah April 30 2014 06: 11
              +3
              Quote: Reserve officer
              but it would be possible to unite the whole of New Russia - with Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson, Odessa, Kharkov. And to join also Transnistria. That would be really serious.

              But do you think all this movement is just for fun?
              Everything has already been worked out. We are waiting for Donetsk to go home.
              There, behind the curtain, most likely, they are already finding out who was the first to line up behind Donetsk. Noses sniff, faces turn red, elbows work.
              Comrades, don’t push, there’s enough room for everyone !!
              By the way, they asked me to give it to Bandera not to borrow !!
          2. Magadan
            Magadan April 30 2014 06: 50
            +1
            You know, I've witnessed a thousand times how enthusiasm, faith, and honest work work wonders! Moreover, Donetsk and Lugansk are not poor territories at all. Was the mines subsidized? And at the same time, these areas subsidized the rest of Ukraine? It’s even funny :) People are always on their ears, about the "unprofitability" of coal and gold. I remember Yegor Gaidarii came to Magadan and in all seriousness proved how it was unprofitable to mine gold here :) Yeah, just right after him appeared Canadian companies, which are probably fools and do not know how to mine gold at a loss.
            So it is with Donbass coal and everything else
    5. leks
      leks April 29 2014 20: 28
      +4
      I sit and think about what Euromaidan was striving for and what I got in the end, were for popular power, against oligarchs, against lawlessness and arbitrariness of officials, and the oligarchs in power of arbitrariness and lawlessness made even worse!
      And now the Donetsk region and the Luhansk region seemingly silently watched everything for some reason, supported the Euromaidan and even stood on the Maidan, and as soon as they understood what the Euromaidan led to, they immediately woke up, the people's mayors began to make their power, and if they are at home they’ll turn everything over and hold it in their people's hands, because they can achieve a rule of law, what the people wanted all these years, and for the remaining regions this will be an example, albeit a small territory, but a fair power that the people of the regions themselves and took
    6. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 April 30 2014 02: 46
      +1
      Welcome Home. The Russian world will triumph.
  2. zanoza
    zanoza April 29 2014 18: 33
    +10
    Good luck and popular support!
  3. angolaforever
    angolaforever April 29 2014 18: 33
    +4
    And if the people vote against secession? Or will there still be 97% turnout and 95% of them for separation?
    1. Kirzhak
      Kirzhak April 29 2014 18: 47
      +6
      Or will there still be 97% turnout and 95% of them for separation?

      Alas ... if that were so, then the referendum in the Donetsk region would be held simultaneously with the Crimean.
      1. angolaforever
        angolaforever April 29 2014 18: 52
        +5
        Just wondering what will happen if the result is negative. That they lay down their arms and just leave the buildings? Or all the same, they themselves will properly recount and say that 60% for separation and does not flatter?
        1. Nick
          Nick April 29 2014 22: 08
          +3
          Quote: angolaforever
          Just wondering what will happen if the result is negative.

          The will of the people can be neither negative nor positive. It will be effective, but the results for different categories of citizens will be either negative, or positive, or neutral ...
          In general, if the majority were against the independence of Donbass, these events would not have happened ... IMHO
    2. Thompson
      Thompson April 29 2014 19: 01
      +2
      As they vote, they will receive it!
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  4. andrei332809
    andrei332809 April 29 2014 18: 34
    +6
    Well, we’ll see what happens ... I think the main thing is that the juntians should block the road-road to Donetsk.
  5. VengefulRat
    VengefulRat April 29 2014 18: 35
    +4
    It seems like a decision is now being made to unite Lugansk and Donetsk.
  6. Karabin
    Karabin April 29 2014 18: 36
    +5
    Only the Crimean version. Another is a dead end.
    1. Thompson
      Thompson April 29 2014 19: 03
      +2
      Not entirely true, just suicide!
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    3. APASUS
      APASUS April 29 2014 19: 45
      +2
      Quote: Karabin
      Only the Crimean version. Another is a dead end.

      Under this power, no matter how they vote, they will not let them live, they will choke on all fronts.
      The choice is only between - an alliance with Russia or a separate state, I see no other way with Ukraine and Poroshenko.
      1. Sergey47
        Sergey47 April 29 2014 20: 13
        +2
        Everything goes to this. To Russia, only she can protect.
        1. AVIATOR36662
          AVIATOR36662 April 30 2014 01: 29
          +1
          South Ossetia, Transnistria and Abkhazia are not legally part of Russia. However, we recognized and deployed the military bases of Russia there, which fully guarantees their inviolability and protection. A quiet, constructive life has been going on for many years in these republics, and their economy with the help of Russia is only grow. That with a positive result of regional referenda can become a reality for SE.
          1. Magadan
            Magadan April 30 2014 06: 53
            +2
            I agree with you. I think they do not need them in Russia, because they themselves are able to build their own state. Generally from scratch and without Russian bureaucrats-liberoids and bureaucrats-type-patriots, like the Ukrainian PR (I mean our partner)
  7. Wiruz
    Wiruz April 29 2014 18: 37
    +10
    And then the Donetsk region either to be part of the Russian Federation, or to unite with other regions such as Kharkov and Lugansk and create, say, the Ukrainian Federation. Well, then - Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, and on the map straight to Prenistria! good
    1. VengefulRat
      VengefulRat April 29 2014 19: 21
      +10
      Quote: Wiruz
      And then the Donetsk region either to be part of the Russian Federation, or unite with other regions such as Kharkov and Lugansk and create, say, the Ukrainian Federation

      There is a good name New Russia. There Putin already voiced it)))
    2. gandalf
      gandalf April 29 2014 19: 55
      +12
      This option will be. Vladimir Putin proposed federalization? They refused ... So there will be a punishment, then a new offer wink

      here is more detailed: http://continentalist.ru/2014/04/ultimatum/

      I am always surprised by all kinds of clowns who clap their eyes and claim that it is not known what Putin will do in this or that situation. For example, I never have any doubts, because I have long enough noticed that Putin always acts strictly according to the same scheme.

      The behavior algorithm of the Darkest is simple, like a loaf for thirteen kopecks and has never changed in many years.

      Putin always follows the pattern: Offering an opponent a mutually beneficial compromise, in case of refusal - punishment, indicative flogging, offering a new compromise on much less favorable terms - in case of refusal - punishment, indicative flogging, proposing a new ...

      And so - cycle by cycle with increasing rates ...

      Do not believe? Then I will give some examples:

      1) Forgotten — when the Chechen gang’s republic, de facto recognized, reached its neighbors, it was completely destroyed — the West tried to protest — it received an answer about the presence of new Voyevoda-class missiles in Russia — they shut up on that homosexual.

      2) More recent: Georgia was offered the autonomy of Ossetia and Abkhazia - followed by a refusal with aggression - in response to punishment, elimination of decisions - recognition of the autonomy of the republics was offered to the European Union - refusal, attempt to pump rights - Ossetia and Abkhazia were completely seized, became independent states - this homosexuals and shut up

      3) A recent example: Lavrov’s offer of trilateral talks on Ukraine by Ukraine - rejection - loan followed by Yanukovych and failure to sign - the USA and the EU did not accept a compromise, organized a maidan - got an illegitimate government with debts of 50 yards and a proposal for the federalization of Ukraine with high status autonomies - refused - instead of a referendum on autonomy, Crimea holds a referendum on entering Russia - they did not recognize the right of the people to a referendum - Crimea appeared in Russia not in May but in March, and the proposal to federalize The region remains valid.
      1. ermolai
        ermolai April 30 2014 08: 33
        0
        very lucidly explained, thanks, but they are stupid! especially about ... they got an illegitimate government on their neck with debts of 50 yards ... they just probably want to transfer this debt to the Russian Federation
  8. RUSS
    RUSS April 29 2014 18: 37
    +7
    The referendum in the Donetsk Republic is more intriguing than in the Crimea.
    1. Thompson
      Thompson April 29 2014 19: 06
      +10
      Sorry, but the word intrigue is not appropriate here - it is about the lives and destinies of PEOPLE!
  9. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru April 29 2014 18: 38
    +2
    Article 1. A working person shall enjoy the support of the state. If not, then the formation of institutions of power should take place under his control.
    Article 2. If the real situation does not comply with Article 1, act in accordance with the content of Article 1.
  10. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 29 2014 18: 39
    +5
    God forbid that the referendum be held normally, and there already by the situation. The people themselves will decide how to continue to live. Good luck, comrades in the Donetsk Republic.
    1. zzz
      zzz April 29 2014 20: 28
      +2
      29.04.2014 - 18: 49
      In Lugansk, preparing to sign a document on the unification of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics

      In Lugansk, preparing to sign a document on the unification of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics | Russian spring
      Representatives of the Donetsk People's Republic arrived at the control of the protesters of the Lugansk Regional State Administration, they brought a proposal to merge the two republics into one.

      The so-called "people's deputies" are currently sitting in the seized building, and they will announce their decision within an hour.

      Representatives of the Luhansk republic released previously blocked law enforcement officers through a living corridor. Now the protesters are being put forward to block the building of the regional police.
      1. zzz
        zzz April 29 2014 20: 36
        +5
        I could not pass by, I saw in the internet: 20: 25
        "WE WILL BE DESTROYED WITH CHILDREN! ..." MAXIMUM REPLACEMENT FOR ALL GROUPS !!! TINY REFUSAL CHILDREN HAVE NOTHING !!! NEED THE HELP OF EVERYONE !!! ENTERPRISES AND ORGANIZATIONS !!! LIST WHO HOW MUCH CAN !!! THESE ARE OUR CHILDREN !!!
        There is nothing to feed the children! There is a card number for the transfer, there is a New mail address for baby food packages. I need help for abandoned babies in MAKEEVKA (Children's Hospital No. 3 (district YAKHZ), pediatric department No. 1. The situation is terrible - really, the children have nothing ... What we bring is enough for 2 times a day.
        Legal address: 86125, Makeevka-25. Mendeleev St. 33. CMU. DKTMO Makeevka. Donetsk region. Pediatric Department No. 1. Tel 8 (06232) 51323
        Hospital address: 86114, st. New Hospital, 1
        I give contacts nurses. You can contact her and find out what is missing from the diet. t. 0950254833 Svetlana Vasilievna. Call from 8:00 to 15. They are fully accountable for expenses and money spent.
        I ask for help !!! Our babies do not get food, we are in a blockade! Spread with yourself that many know the TRUTH! We are being destroyed with children.
        1. zzz
          zzz April 29 2014 20: 47
          0
          Repost

          Nina tishchenko (movchan)
          http://www.odessit.ua/news/odessa/27925-detey-v-shkolah-prinuzhdayut-donosit-na-
          roditeley-separatistov.html

          Children in schools forced to report on “separatist parents”
          As we were informed, the Kherson regional state administration issued a decree according to which teachers are required to conduct preventive conversations with schoolchildren.
        2. yulka2980
          yulka2980 April 30 2014 06: 09
          +2
          It’s a pity that you can’t send money via SMS. It’s necessary that you connect 1 channel, in a day you would collect all the orphanages crying
          1. Magadan
            Magadan April 30 2014 07: 07
            +1
            Damn and I'm now away from ATMs and other ways of sending money :( I’ll even call my wife, I’ll send it to the bank
  11. Anatolich
    Anatolich April 29 2014 18: 40
    +50
    If someone thinks that everything is bad in Ukraine, he looks one-sidedly
    to the situation. After all, there is good:
    1. Recycled several thousand tires.
    2. Instead of one president, it became one and a half.
    3. Instead of one constitution, two became.
    4. Instead of one flag, four became.
    5. The country is spared from the subsidized region.
    6. Increased gas production from underground storage facilities.
    7. Gas costs reduced to zero.
    8. The hryvnia has become cheaper, now citizens can afford
    buy more hryvnia for your dollars.
    9. On the border with Russia, the construction of the Great Ukrainian
    Trench.
    10. Within the framework of the program "army to the people" to the inhabitants of Slavyansk
    donated 6 units of armored vehicles.
    11. The baton of Yulia Tymoshenko in the special sanatorium took several
    dozens of volunteers.
    12. The country has become more popular all over the world. Millions of Americans
    know now where she is.
    13. The flow of tourists from Russia has grown significantly, it is so
    It’s great that some Ukraine is forced to refuse entry.
    14. The head of the CIA came to Kiev, studied the experience of conducting Maidan.
    15. The vice president of the USA came to Kiev, studied management experience
    by the state.
    16. The economy has become more economical.
    17. Politics has become more popular.
    18. Human rights have become much more right.
    19. In Kiev, a radish crop has grown.
    20. The USA and Europe continue to enter Ukraine.
    21. People have become kinder, irreconcilable ultras are united.
    And this is not the end!
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 April 29 2014 18: 47
      +6
      Quote: Anatolich
      19. In Kiev, a radish crop has grown.

      and parsley, dill? again, onion to fat ...
    2. ksv1973
      ksv1973 April 29 2014 19: 28
      +2
      You would, Anatolich, write books, humorous. It is a pity that your comment is so short, there should be more sound cynicism. I hope that you recall some other positive aspects in the life of today's Ukraine. I am pleased to learn about them! hi drinks
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  12. domokl
    domokl April 29 2014 18: 41
    +11
    It is clear that so far even those who are in power in the DPR do not know what is next ... The euphoria from the power of the people usually breaks into the hungry eyes of their own child ...
    DNI, as an independent state, is not viable. Only a union state of the southeastern regions of Ukraine will more or less mean something ...
  13. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery April 29 2014 18: 46
    +6
    I don't want to cling to his specific words, there are many questions. But the direction is correct. The main thing is that the Donetsk People's Republic is already a fait accompli. Whether the West and Kiev recognize it or not, it does not matter. "Kosovo boomerang" has increased in size and mass, it is already flying back. Wait gentlemen, European integrators.
  14. techmesh
    techmesh April 29 2014 18: 47
    +1
    The main thing is to achieve independence of the Donetsk republic with clearly defined and guarded borders. Then the people will choose leaders and ways of development. And it's also good that at least on one side there is a good "neighbor" who will help and prompt.
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  16. Timmir
    Timmir April 29 2014 18: 53
    +1
    Politicians in the Donetsk People's Republic are much smarter than the Kiev authorities. Maybe because they think about the people and they do not depend on anyone.
  17. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 29 2014 18: 54
    +5
    Oleg Tsarev withdrew from the presidential elections in Ukraine and urged them to boycott.
    He encouraged other candidates to follow suit.
    http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1156433
  18. delfinN
    delfinN April 29 2014 18: 55
    +7
    And then make friends with Russia. She will protect.
  19. Russ69
    Russ69 April 29 2014 18: 57
    +4
    After the referendum, the main thing will be to completely take power into their own hands. To form the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor's office, the courts, the Treasury, and much more. And this is much more difficult than holding a referendum. Yes, and the referendum itself must be held so correctly and cleanly, so that it would be possible to recognize it.
  20. typhoon7
    typhoon7 April 29 2014 19: 13
    +5
    Everything will be fine, even in the west they understood that the separation of the east of Ukraine is a matter of time. Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov, no one will give the junta. Remains of Ukraine will be cut off from the sea. Russia will never surrender Ukraine to the West, even if it comes to massacre, it’s just that now the GDP doesn’t want to beat anyone’s face, but if it’s necessary ... Let a referendum be better.
  21. zol1
    zol1 April 29 2014 19: 26
    +3
    From an interview with the mayor of Slavyansk: Answering the question which option is closer to her - federalization of Ukraine or joining Russia, Shtepa replied: “We do not know who to go to. Here is who will say:“ My dear ones, come to us, we love you. ” But Russia is still silent. And Kiev generally says that they do not need such a family. So we sit and think: does anyone need us in this life? "

    Read in full: http://top.rbc.ru/politics/27/04/2014/920730.shtml?utm_source=newsmail&utm_mediu
    m = news & utm_campaign = news_mail2
    1. serzh 58
      serzh 58 April 29 2014 21: 00
      +2
      Found someone to believe. She will not sing like that when they step on the tail.
    2. SHI69
      SHI69 April 29 2014 21: 07
      0
      the horse is still that horse!
      1. Corsair
        Corsair April 30 2014 01: 29
        +1
        Quote: SHI69
        the horse is still that horse!

        Maybe still a mare? wink
    3. Echelon
      Echelon April 30 2014 08: 23
      0
      Russia cannot say, "My dear ones, come to us, we love you." This will be perceived by the world community as a policy of purposeful interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine. Putin will not make mistakes. He will wait for the results of the referendum, at which the people themselves must decide what they want and with whom they want. And now, according to its results, it will be said: "My relatives, come to us, we love you" or "Our allies, live independently, and we will help you."
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  22. MG42
    MG42 April 29 2014 19: 27
    +7
    This is repost
    KHARKIV!
    The YUGO-VOSTOK movement calls on you to attend the rally on May 1!

    Staying home on the couch becomes dangerous for the future of each of us! On the streets of OUR city they use violence against us, shoot and kill our fellow citizens! Detachments of armed Nazis are sent to our glorious city, who arrange massacres in the streets. At the same time, the Ukrainian media are shamelessly lying, and the police are inactive.
    The Kiev junta is already waging an open war with the Southeast!

    Only powerful peaceful civil resistance can help us avoid bloodshed!
    Therefore, we all go to the square - with friends and acquaintances.
    We must say our word and show the Bandera junta that Kharkov will never recognize the fascist ideology!
    Do not sit at home, do not go to the cottages that day! We ask everyone to go to the square to protect our future with you!

    The rally will be held 01.05.2014/12.00/XNUMX at XNUMX on Freedom Square. Take the posters!
    Please help repost in the dissemination of information !!!
  23. vorchyn_ymka
    vorchyn_ymka April 29 2014 19: 35
    +2
    the situation is such that the presidential election in Ukraine, even with the participation of 1 person. recognizes the whole geyropa and America .. but the referendum ??? hardly .. even if everything is done correctly .. the pro-American president who came after the election asks to introduce NATO to the territory of the country or provide military assistance ... what will happen next ??
    1. Echelon
      Echelon April 30 2014 08: 28
      0
      It is very important that Russia still recognizes them. Without recognition by Russia there will be no legitimate authority, because there will be neither the President nor the Government, with whom it would be possible to communicate on equal terms. The issue of gas is still relevant and only legitimate authorities can solve it, and since there are none, then there will be no gas.
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  24. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 April 29 2014 19: 47
    +1
    The division is caused by the stupid and not constructive policy of the center. It is possible that federalization with wide autonomy within a united Ukraine is one of the best ways out of the impasse. PERHAPS

    BUT, from the point of view of common sense, this is a mine for the state ... if someone wants (well, what ever happens) to build a prosperous multinational Ukraine ... he will have to ask to transfer the authority back to the Center.
  25. nod739
    nod739 April 29 2014 19: 49
    +2
    Quote: Thought Giant
    God forbid that the referendum be held normally, and there already by the situation. The people themselves will decide how to continue to live. Good luck, comrades in the Donetsk Republic.

    everything will be like nada, - the current position of the authorities is clearly aimed at ordering the Yankostan - to split the country, things happen every day that embitter more and more SE people, the crack grows and grows, every day
    two months ago, my acquaintance from Donetsk said - everything will calm down - no one wants anything in any Russia - well, we’ll get a little more authority and taxes in place so that we leave more. A month ago, he already said that at least a third want to go to Russia following the example of the Crimea, and at least half to secession - federalization, etc. and right now he says that already 3/4 of all his acquaintances and friends are ready to put an end to a common country, and if only to be free from the West, and so that no one comes to us and explains how to live and what language to speak. Although at the same time he says that it’s good to have a halitin fence with a fence of 5 meters and send all the Svidomo people there, they go down there, bark at Russia and lick the portraits of their heroes, will not eat — they will go to the EU or just work in the garden - who has enough brain ....
  26. mamont5
    mamont5 April 29 2014 19: 54
    +1
    God grant that they all succeed.
  27. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 April 29 2014 20: 07
    +1
    And the referendum will take place, and the structures will reorganize. Everything will be fine. But as soon as people understand that it’s a very long time to stomp and sweat, then the question will be, why is harmony priest? Crimea is before our eyes, and it obviously doesn’t spread out for decades (economic recovery and growth).
  28. Wiruz
    Wiruz April 29 2014 20: 07
    +1
    What's next?

    And then there are only two ways - the Crimean Federal District or the Central Federal District. There is no third!
  29. Leshka
    Leshka April 29 2014 20: 39
    +1
    as if they would not break the referendum
  30. saha471
    saha471 April 29 2014 21: 02
    +1
    If the referendum is for secession from the outskirts, then immediately you need to ASK to become part of Russia. Protected! "Even a stuffed animal, even a carcass" Otherwise, a small, half-strangled "state" without a constitution, without a sensible structure of power, without an army - that's one tooth for anyone, more or less strong. And Russia will be asked not to interfere! Then why was there a fence? And the federalization of Ukraine is a myth. That is, pipe dreams.
  31. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 29 2014 21: 14
    +2
    Friends, let's not guess on the coffee grounds, it will come on the eleventh of May, they will hold a referendum, God forbid that everything goes smoothly and we will see the results. There is not much to wait. But still Tsarev marks the leaders of the entire SE.
  32. crambol
    crambol April 29 2014 21: 15
    +2
    I read the interview, remembered Campanella. Both are beautiful and faithful in a utopian way. Only reality is much worse: Campanella had to sit at stake for his Utopia, after which he walked with difficulty. But persuading Kiev to become good will fail. They understand only the language of the fist.
    For a western handout they will go for any crime against the people.
  33. Sergg
    Sergg April 29 2014 21: 21
    +2
    Donbass can exist as a separate state consisting in a customs union, in a single ruble zone, naturally without visas. Union state in one word.
  34. saha471
    saha471 April 29 2014 21: 34
    +1
    "The mustache strikes the enemy! And I am always for those who win!" (Song Truffaldino-Tsarev)
  35. zzz
    zzz April 29 2014 21: 38
    +3
    The gentlemen from the Junta and all their henchmen did not even realize what kind of "Russian hive" they stirred up, trying to impose Ukrainians on Russians. They lived, lived - they were Ukrainian in their passport, never once in twenty-three years thought about the fact that they were Russians. Thank you for finally awakening the roots in everyone - WE ARE RUSSIANS FROM THE CARPATHIANS TO KRASNODON!
    13:15 / 29.04.20142755448 COMMENTS The "People's Mayor" of Transcarpathia promised to expel the putschists in 48 hours, Petro Getsko, in response to threats from the Kiev authorities, said that in the region he represents "there are more trunks than the population."



    The Security Service of Ukraine has put the self-proclaimed Prime Minister of the "Republic of Subcarpathian Rus" on the wanted list. In response, Petro Getsko told LifeNews that the residents of Transcarpathia themselves are ready to put the representatives of the Kiev junta on the wanted list.
  36. Evgeniy31
    Evgeniy31 April 29 2014 21: 49
    0
    And after the referendum, Kiev will begin to strangle areas that have proclaimed independence. They will increase prices for everything they can. Then it remains either to join Russia or to return back. soldier
  37. komel
    komel April 29 2014 22: 00
    +2
    In Lugansk, they are preparing to sign a document on the unification of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics.

    Representatives of the Donetsk People's Republic arrived at the control of the protesters of the Lugansk Regional State Administration, they brought a proposal to merge the two republics into one.

    The first step to unite the South East.
  38. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa April 29 2014 22: 01
    +3
    What will happen to private property in the Donbass? - Everything will remain as it is.
    And the mines of Rinat Akhmetov? - Irrelevant! Republican property will only be what belongs to the state.

    Is it that they have such "plans" seriously? That is, let's say a referendum is held, they decide to join Russia. Join. Putin will give instructions to provide the new territory with orders, give cheap gas and buy their coal at a loss, and all the profits will go to Mr. Akhmetov at the expense of a private bank or other Ukrainian riff-raff at one time spizd.shchikh a couple of state enterprises? Perfectly thought out, they will just have the money for the maintenance of gangs and fascists. In Crimea, by the way, the same problem. The shipyard that was going to provide orders belongs to Poroshenko. Maybe they can just transfer money to accounts from the Russian state budget. By the way, effective Ukrainian owners are even more effective than in Russia and enterprises have huge debts, where will they go, who will pay for all this fun? Only through independence, debt cancellation and nationalization, otherwise the path to Russia must be closed.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 April 30 2014 00: 25
      +1
      Akhmetov has not yet entered the junta, so he is warned that if he doesn’t harm, he will not lose anything. Well, the property of those who sponsor hunters: Kolomiytseva and so on - confiscate.
  39. bublic82009
    bublic82009 April 29 2014 22: 46
    0
    I get the impression that this is the revenge of the oligarch Akhmetov. then nothing came of it, but here bam and flooded. Well, maybe there are some contracts.
  40. anfil
    anfil April 30 2014 01: 26
    +2
    Quote: Thompson
    Sorry, but the word intrigue is not appropriate here - it is about the lives and destinies of PEOPLE!

    It so happened that the Crimean referendum was held on the eve of the 23-th anniversary of the "All-Union referendum on the preservation of the USSR", which took place on 17 March 1991 year.
    As a result of this vote, 113,5 million (76,43%) of Soviet citizens supported the preservation of the USSR. Residents of the Ukrainian SSR also by a majority (70,2% of citizens) supported the preservation of a single state. In Crimea, the preservation of the USSR was supported by more than 85% of citizens. Thus, the vast majority of the inhabitants of the Ukrainian SSR at that time saw their future inseparably with Russia.


    But the interests of a narrow group of individuals were contrary to the opinions of millions. Spitting on the will of the people, in December of that year, Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich signed criminal Bialowieza agreements that buried all hope of maintaining the union state in a new format.
    Just a week before the “Bialowieza Forest”, December 1 of December 1991, an “All-Ukrainian referendum” took place, in which the vast majority of Ukrainian citizens (90,32%) voted for the independence of Ukraine. Such an unambiguous expression of will was used by the criminal trinity as the main argument for breaking allied relations with Russia and thereby virtually making the preservation of the USSR itself meaningless.
    But how did it happen that for 8 months the citizens of Ukraine, who supported the preservation of the USSR by the majority, completely changed their opinion on this issue?
    To the banality, those who formulated the question of the All-Ukrainian referendum on the independence of Ukraine acted meanly. He sounded like this: "Do you confirm the Declaration of Independence of Ukraine?" Obviously, a positive answer to this question did not mean leaving the USSR and stopping any attempts to preserve the state, for which millions of Soviet people laid their lives in the Great Patriotic War.
  41. vetlan19
    vetlan19 April 30 2014 02: 04
    0
    Satan Rocket Documentation in Israel
    Edward Hodos
    Jewish fascism or Chabad - the road to hell
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAqWLwpXNeA
  42. demotivator
    demotivator April 30 2014 08: 40
    +1
    The referendum will be held, and then what? 12 May a new life begin? How will you build relationships with your neighbors? And above all with Ukraine, which does not recognize the referendum?

    We need a well-thought-out plan for further action. In our time, no one without a "plan" (no, not even a lousy structure, like the Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation or the Security Committee under the President of the United States) will even twitch his foot if the doctor "nivropitologist" knocks on the knee with a rubber hammer. Of course, pendostan has a plan for Ukraine and Russia. Otherwise, these Carries, Psaki, Samantha Power and Joe Biden wouldn’t have gotten away with these nonentities such as Turchynov and Yatsenyuk, and would not have become so harnessed to “indivisible sovereign Ukraine”.
    Let's look at this. With Yugoslavia, the United States behaved quite the opposite. For some reason, they did not "harness" for the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia, but quite Oppositely, did everything to ensure that Yugoslavia disintegrated into the now independent Montenegro, Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, etc.
    And why is America harnessing all its forces for the integrity of Ukraine?
    Why, when Chechnya, Dagestan (and Tatarstan with Bashkiria and Yakutia and Tuva) tried to secede from Russia, did the US do everything to accuse Moscow of all the mortal sins of the "civil war in Chechnya"? And when Kiev introduces troops to Donetsk region - the United States welcomes it. Why ????
    And because the Pendostans (the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds) have a dream - to break up and bend and put Russia face in the ground. Therefore, Ukraine for them to do this.
    Do you have a plan? (in Ukraine ???) Yes, no problem - the USA has 10 bags of options.
    Do we have ??? We probably have ...
  43. Ustas
    Ustas April 30 2014 13: 30
    0
    What happens to private property in the Donbas?

    Makovich: Everything will remain as it is. Unless there are court decisions in this regard.

    Heh heh, then nothing will change, everything will be the same. Ice cream for children .. oligarchs loot, people zilch.