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"Special Russian way" sooner or later lead to the Soviet Union

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"Special Russian way" sooner or later lead to the Soviet UnionIt was the only working alternative to Western orders.


The topic of the “special Russian way”, which is more or less constantly discussed with various evaluations and updated with recent data from Levada Center, is in many ways ambiguous.

Firstly, because the essence of the "singularity" is not determined. Secondly, because any way of any country is always special.

Moreover, if the question “Do you want your country to develop along the European or Asian paths?”, Then the question addressed, for example, to a Frenchman, “You want your country to develop along the common European path, which was led by General de Gaulle, or in a special French way? ”everyone will be perceived as absurd, but in the end everyone will be inclined to answer“ In French ”. If only because he, one way or another, will embody all three options.

What Levada Center announces: “Over the past year, Russians have become stronger in the opinion that Russia of the future is a“ special ”state with its own development path (38%), and this particular, historical path should be followed by Russia (46%). The number of Russians considering the development of the Russian state within the framework of European civilization and Western values ​​has declined amid the anti-Western rhetoric that has resumed in connection with the events in Ukraine. ”

Of course, the unfriendly actions of Western countries in the situation of the crisis in Ukraine and Crimea could not but affect the attitude of Russian society towards them. And the main thing that these countries have achieved is that they completely refuted the view that they can be sane and negotiable partners of Russia.

But in relation to the choice of the path is not the main thing. Indeed, over the year, since March 2013, the number of those who answered the question “What kind of state would you like to see Russia in the future?” Answered: “A state with a very special structure and its own development path” increased from 33 to 38%, and those who responded: “By a state like Western countries with a democratic system and a market economy,” fell from 33 to 28%. And only the number of those who want to see it as a “socialist state like the USSR” remained at the same level - 24%.

Within the framework of this, at first glance it can be said that approximately 5% of supporters of the “European path” have moved into the ranks of the supporters of the “Russian”, and this happened precisely under the influence of unfriendly actions of Western partners.

Of course, this factor also took place specifically this year. But the year itself is not a significant period for long-term conclusions.
Levada cites (although it does not comment on) the data since 2008. And here the picture is different, although for the “Europeists” it is also disappointing.

Compared to January 2008, the share of supporters of the “special Russian way” did not grow, although it almost did not decrease (respectively 39 and 38%). In the case of intermediate years: 39% in 2008, 36% in 2011, 41% in 2012, 33% in 2013 and 38% today. That is, there were fluctuations, but in general, everything remained at the same level.

At the same time, the share of those who want to see Russia “a state like Western countries with a democratic system and a market economy” has noticeably decreased - from 32% in 2008 to, as already mentioned, 28% today. Over the years, fluctuations were given here: 32% in 2008, 30% in 2011, 31% in 2012, 33% in 2013 and 28% today.

Against this background, the number of supporters of a socialist state like the USSR gives far brighter results. If we take by years, they were 17% in 2008, 23% in 2011, 22% in 2012, 24% in 2013 and the same today.

That is, if from 2008 to today the number of supporters of a particular Russian path has practically not changed, while supporters of the western one has fallen, then the number of supporters of the USSR has increased one and a half times.

Interestingly, the stable indicator has the answer “to go along the Soviet way”, despite the fact that the generation that lived in the USSR era is gradually leaving. And this means that there is a replenishment of this value niche by representatives of completely different generations.

The answer “Russia must go its own, special way” means one thing in this context: it must develop along whatever path, but not along the west. Why are there more such answers? Affects the hostility of the Western elites.

It used to be argued that in Russia everything is bad, and in the West everything is good. But when people saw the realities of the Western world, they were able to make sure that this “good” was only in the window. A showcase in the USSR was at least as good. The advertised western image was as close to the real life of the West as the film "Kuban Cossacks" to the life of the post-war village.

Today, the West is not the West of knights, nobility and beautiful ladies. This is the West of constant scandals, crises, problems of sexual minorities ... and therefore it ceases to be attractive to Russians.

Adherents of the Western path of development is becoming less also because the Russians are tired of constant teachings. People want to have the right to decide for themselves how to live. And in this sense, the answer about a special Russian way simply means the intention of people to live as they see fit themselves, and not as required by dubious international organizations or those who do business in the defense of rights.

But there is another important aspect of the issue. When recipients begin to answer what they see as “Russia's special path”, they call those moments of it that are easily recognized:

- the economic development of the country, but with greater concern for the people, and not for the profits and interests of the "owners of life" (31%);
- discrepancy between values ​​and traditions of Russia and the West (23%);
- taking into account in the policy of the spiritual, moral side of the relationship between the state and citizens (19%).

And further: “the need to constantly take into account such factors as the hostile environment of the country and the threat of attack is the readiness for the self-sacrifice of citizens for the greatness of the Russian state ...”

That is, when speaking of a particular Russian way, people, not always in a conscious form, implicitly, in essence, mean exactly what others more openly call the “Soviet way”.

All the above features are the features of the USSR in its heyday. Someone is more aware of this, and speaks about it directly, someone less so, and uses a euphemism. But they mean the same thing.

The breakdown of the answers to the “special Russian way” and “the way of the USSR as a socialist state” is in fact only a manipulative trick of sociologists trying to split the votes rejecting what they call a “state like Western countries with a democratic system and a market economy”. They also call it a movement “along the path of European civilization common to the modern world.”

But if the first of these images still collects 28% of supporters (perhaps due to reverence before the word "democracy"), then the share of fans of the second falls to 21%. Because if the words “Europe” and “democracy” are at least understandable, then the words “the common path of the European civilization for the modern world” are generally nonsense that could only be born in the head of a frank schizophrenic. Not because there is no common path of civilization, it happens. And not because modern European civilization is bad or good. These are generally different things: European civilization is good, “modern European” is bad and ridiculous. If only because it, in general, no longer has anything to do with the European ...

Therefore, it is necessary to talk either about the path common to the modern world, or about the path of European civilization. The first is the general, the second is the particular. Europe, whether it is good or not, is simply not the whole world.

And those who formulate such questions in this way, or are still sure that the whole world is limited to the Greek Ocumene, that the earth is flat and the sun revolves around it. Or they are engaged in the conscious deception of people, suggesting to them that one can live only according to those laws that the owners of Europe like, and that those who do not live by them cannot be considered full-fledged people.
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  1. Espado
    Espado April 29 2014 14: 48
    +19
    Special, not special - its main thing.
    1. vadimalehin76
      vadimalehin76 April 29 2014 14: 52
      +11
      I agree, my Union. People who are divided into countries must be brought together in a new state. It will be better for everyone. And brains abroad will cease to flow away. There will be room for them.
      1. atalef
        atalef April 29 2014 16: 46
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        Quote: vadimalehin76
        People who are divided into countries must be brought together in a new state.

        And what countries do you see in the new USSR?
        Quote: vadimalehin76
        . And brains abroad will cease to flow away

        And why ?
        Quote: vadimalehin76
        There will be room for them.

        Is there little space now?
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov April 29 2014 17: 49
          +9
          Quote: atalef
          And what countries do you see in the new USSR?

          Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan ...

          Quote: atalef
          Quote: vadimalehin76
          . And brains abroad will cease to flow away

          And why ?

          But because the country will cease to live off the sale of resources and the brains themselves will need!

          Quote: atalef
          Quote: vadimalehin76
          There will be room for them.

          Is there little space now?

          Now the space is catastrophically small, because you have to feed the oligarchs and thieving officials, i.e. not to create, but to earn money by any means, for myself, the family and that guy, I took a loan at a bank in order to pay for the child’s education!
          1. dmitrij.blyuz
            dmitrij.blyuz April 29 2014 18: 15
            0
            Ukraine, Kazakhstan ... = No, Alexander. I still doubt about Kazakhstan. There’s not everything clean in politics either. And Ukraine is already gone. Categorically. It never happened. Historically. Southeast, even if you don’t want to go to Russia- a separate country will be. But without us, they are nowhere.
            1. Argyn-suindyk
              Argyn-suindyk April 29 2014 18: 51
              +6
              And someone you decide for us, eh?
              1. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov April 29 2014 20: 03
                +2
                Quote: Argyn-Suindyk
                And someone you decide for us, eh?

                Yes, we do not decide, We are wondering who to invite to the Union! And there, decide for yourself, no one is for you - your work will not be done, overthrow your own bais and oligarchs yourself, we have enough of ours.
                1. Argyn-suindyk
                  Argyn-suindyk April 30 2014 11: 29
                  +4
                  You have a short memory! I hasten to remind you that the first (and under the EBN alone) the initiator of the political and economic union was and is Kazakhstan, this with the advent of GDP began to move off the ground! And here you are ranting to take Kazakhstan into a union or not to take! Funny to god!
            2. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov April 29 2014 18: 51
              +4
              Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
              Ukraine, Kazakhstan ... = No, Alexander. I still doubt about Kazakhstan. There, too, everything is not clean in politics.

              In politics, I don’t know, but I was in Kazakhstan - the population is extremely positive towards Russia and the Ukrainians are our people! And there’s nothing to share Russian with them! This Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs have something to share and what to fight for, but no people!
              1. dmitrij.blyuz
                dmitrij.blyuz April 30 2014 13: 46
                0
                was in Kazakhstan - the population is extremely positive for Russia and Ukrainians are our people! ==== I was traveling in a compartment with a Kazakh. A powerful, sober guy. I reasoned like a philosopher. In Tynda he works just for someone. A normal man. He speaks constantly He educates his youth. Sometimes you have to beat the muzzle. Absolutely conflict-free guy. But the Qur'an is FOR HIS LIFE. He explained to me the essence of it for a day. We often call back. About the Ukrainians, it’s not worth making hasty conclusions. Most of the population of the West hates us. Even the Russians living there. . (Not Russian-speaking)
          2. atalef
            atalef April 29 2014 18: 30
            0
            Quote: S_mirnov
            Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan

            And this is the USSR? And where else 11 sisters touched?
            Quote: S_mirnov
            But because the country will cease to live off the sale of resources and the brains themselves will need!

            And what prevents her from doing it now. Or combined with 3 poorer countries, automatically need brains?
            Quote: S_mirnov
            Now the space is catastrophically small, because you have to feed the oligarchs and thieving officials

            You have a dining room for one sixth of sushi, but you still have a little space? And where will you get a dad or Nazarbayev? Or do their oligarchs dissolve by themselves?
            Quote: S_mirnov
            I took a loan at a bank to pay for a child’s education!

            If you have a question for me? In no one, our education is pretty cheap, and the more prestigious the university, the cheaper, and in the case of my son (maybe she’s learning from the Army) - just do it for free.
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov April 29 2014 19: 02
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              And this is the USSR? And where else 11 sisters touched?

              I am ashamed, but I do not remember! I don’t take into account the Baltic states especially, but I don’t really remember the rest, I repent! Get on the Internet!
              Quote: atalef
              But because the country will cease to live off the sale of resources and the brains themselves will need!

              And what prevents her from doing it now.

              - unequivocally hinder traders in power! Traders are able to sell, but can not create!

              Quote: atalef
              If you have a question for me? In no one, our education is pretty cheap, and the more prestigious the university, the cheaper, and in the case of my son (maybe she’s learning from the Army) - just do it for free

              I'm happy for you! good
              Most often you have to go to banks - people queues at ATMs, paying interest on loans, are just depressing !!!
              1. atalef
                atalef April 29 2014 19: 15
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                Quote: S_mirnov
                unequivocally hinder traders in power! Traders are able to sell, but can not create!

                and with the return of the Soviet Union type, all these oligarchs will immediately line up and each will begin to build his new skolkovo. He laughed, but forgot, they’ll probably transfer their grandmothers to the Peace Fund.
                You understand, they still have only the 2nd Volga 21st, and the Skiff trailer. Cling to the loot will
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov April 29 2014 20: 00
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef

                  and with the return of the Soviet Union type, all these oligarchs will immediately line up and each will begin to build his new skolkovo.

                  Yeah, I rolled my lip!
                  Quote: atalef
                  He laughed, but forgot, they’ll probably transfer their grandmothers to the Peace Fund.
                  You understand, they still have only the 2nd Volga 21st, and the Skiff trailer. Cling to the loot will

                  How will they be! Practical civil war. And foreign capital will have to defend its interests (the intervention is called) This is all already in the civil war after the revolution! Since the gains of October have been pissed away, now everything follows a new path, I see no other ways. oligarchs just "honestly" will not give back what they have stolen! Foreign capital is also. For mistakes will have to pay, not for us, but for our children. sad
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    2. Validator
      Validator April 29 2014 15: 02
      +8
      The Eurasian Union is the right thing. In all respects, better than apart. If not for the local princes, nationalists, the Union would never have collapsed
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ April 29 2014 16: 22
        +2
        The “Special Russian Way” will sooner or later lead to the Soviet Union (article title)


        I would correct the "Special Russian way" sooner or later will lead to Soviet power and a socialist state with a multi-structured but fundamental state ownership of the means of production and natural resources of the entire state.
        To the power of the people through:
        - bodies of Soviet power, in which the people are widely represented by people's deputies, performing legislative and controlling functions for executive bodies of state power,
        - People’s courts, in which judges will not be appointed but elected by the people and controlled by lay judges who did not allow the judiciary to be affected by corruption.
        Those. to that system of power that was in the USSR, and not to the Soviet Union itself. Do not need a new USSR-2.
        Who wants to the Russian World and the Union, welcome to Russia on the rights of equal subjects of the Russian Federation, where all peoples and nationalities should be provided with equal rights and responsibilities. And not as in the USSR, where everyone seemed to be equal, but were more "equal" with the special powers of the union republics to privileges for the titular nationalities of these union republics.
        1. Thompson
          Thompson April 29 2014 20: 44
          0
          Another utopia, but we must strive for this smile
    3. COLUN
      COLUN April 29 2014 15: 30
      +6
      FI Tyutchev
      Mind does not understand Russia,
      No yardstick to measure:
      She has a special feature -
      You can only believe in Russia.
    4. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 April 29 2014 15: 55
      +2
      it is necessary to return not only the union but the Warsaw pact.
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac April 29 2014 16: 42
        +2
        Quote: platitsyn70
        it is necessary to return not only the union but the Warsaw pact.

        Why do we need the Warsaw Pact? After all, as soon as the USSR weakened, all the VD countries began to shout about the "Russian occupation", they quickly entered into an alliance with the recent enemy - NATO, i.e. actually committed treason. as they say - once betraying. Why do we need such "allies"?
        1. Sour
          Sour April 29 2014 16: 49
          -1
          Quote: wasjasibirjac
          and why do we need the Warsaw Pact?

          I agree completely.
          And why do we need Georgia? What about Latvia? What about Ukraine?
          Quote: wasjasibirjac
          once betrayed. Why do we need such "allies"?

          Here I am about the same, dear supporters of the reconstruction of the USSR.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov April 29 2014 17: 55
            +2
            Quote: Sour
            Quote: wasjasibirjac
            and why do we need the Warsaw Pact?

            I agree completely.
            And why do we need Georgia? What about Latvia? What about Ukraine?


            foolish things, during the Second World War both Latvians and Ukrainians and Georgians fought for their Motherland! It all depends on who is at the helm, if the scoundrel, then the country will behave meanly, and if the hero is like under Stalin!
            The USSR was and remains the most progressive state in modern history, by the way, and the largest. This is recognized in the West, therefore they discredit the USSR from the time of Hunchback to the present! For they themselves look pale against the backdrop of the USSR!
          2. Thompson
            Thompson April 29 2014 20: 52
            +1
            No need to turn everything upside down! No one will be dragged by force. Well, maximum, especially maidanutyh, voluntarily forced! And do not forget that both the USSR and the Warsaw Pact collapsed only due to the desire of secret oligarchs and the leadership to enrich without fear and looking back at the socialist building!
            And everyone knows the opinion of the people through a referendum ... but ...
      2. Orik
        Orik April 29 2014 17: 15
        0
        Quote: platitsyn70
        it is necessary to return not only the union but the Warsaw pact.

        Stalin was against creating a military bloc against NATO, the Warsaw Pact created Khrushchev, and now think ...
  2. Comintern
    Comintern April 29 2014 14: 48
    -8
    God forbid the USSR only Russia
    1. salamandra2826
      salamandra2826 April 29 2014 15: 14
      +1
      Whatever you call [whoever is in power] the axis of evil is still for them anyway
    2. mrDimkaP
      mrDimkaP April 29 2014 15: 30
      -7
      Nat! Only the Russian Orthodox National Communist Autocracy! wassat
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 April 29 2014 15: 47
        +4
        Only the Russian Orthodox National Communist Autocracy!
        ............. I can directly see how Zu is anointed with the Kingdom in the Assumption Cathedral of the Kremlin .......... nearby Ulyanov-Lenin turns over in a coffin at a speed of 500 rpm from this mockery of communism ............. The USSR is a milking machine in Russia in favor of the outskirts, I speak from experience, was born and raised in Tajikistan, in any village there was natural gas and asphalt roads in 1989, developed industry, as soon as the Russians left, everything was blown away .......... but how was it in the Russian village in 89? also gas, roads and water? so think ... but should we re-infuse it if we blow out sentimental, nostalgic snot?
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher April 29 2014 16: 46
          -3
          Nat! Only the Russian Orthodox National Communist Autocracy! wassat


          ............ I can see directly how Zu is anointed with the kingdom in the Assumption Cathedral of the Kremlin


          Indeed - it's funny ... *) especially the combination - "national-communist autocracy" ... *) something like a mouse-herbivorous cat ... *)

          The USSR is a milking machine in Russia in favor of the outskirts, I speak from experience, was born and raised in Tajikistan, in any village there was natural gas and asphalt roads in 1989,


          It sounds even funnier, especially the combination of "milking machine of Russia" and "gas in Tajikistan" ... *) something like - "Antarctic station in the Sahara." Are you, dear, aware of such a concept as "clustering", the same economy? And "gas with asphalt" in Soviet times, was in Tajikistan, only because near in Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan this good was at least eat booty = and oil and its derivatives are listed - bitumen, asphalt, etc. and gas =, you still can't gobble up everything, there will still be great-great-great-great-grandchildren ... *) But industrial production, on the other hand, was concentrated in the central regions, and they could boast of this = and still =, Russia, Ukraine and Belarus ... *)

          Meditating ... already ... you read all sorts of different things here, green-red ... and you don’t even understand, either laugh at you, or cry for you ... *)
          1. strannik595
            strannik595 April 29 2014 17: 08
            -1
            how near in Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan this good was even a booty eat = and oil and its derivatives appear - bitumen, asphalt, etc. and gas =, all the same, you will not devour everything, there will still be great-great-great-great-grandchildren.
            ... yes, yes ... but in Russia gas and oil, of course, the cat wept .......... I write about whose money, whose subsidies were carried out exploration, development, production, laying of pipelines and transportation, construction of industry and agricultural support in the republics, who paid for the banquet? due to which regions? but industry in Tochikiston was also there, my mother didn’t cry, but everything was bad, he himself once worked at a factory in a village .... and why now, the whole Soviet Union, in the person of its best and not the best representatives, is being nurtured in Russia ..... you feel, huh? ...... so I say, milked Russia, milked until she got tired of it ....... a natural historical process and did not need to return everything back and again twenty-five , feed local bais and carry bribes by the Chumadans to Tashkent and Dushanbe
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher April 29 2014 17: 29
              0
              the whole Soviet Union, in the person of its best and not the best representatives, feeds itself in Russia ..... you feel, huh? ...... so I say, milked Russia, milked until she got tired of it ...


              Nope, I don’t smell ... *) You are carrying a blizzard, and an illiterate one ... *) Let's start with the fact that Russian gas was far from Tadijkistan, and it would be wasteful to drive it to the SA-region. Probably, if at that time, voasti had such "economists" as you, maybe they would have done it - thank God, we were all lucky at that moment ... *) Then there was such a thing as the Union budget, and how much I remember neither Uzbekistan nor Tajikistan at THAT moment, they were not subsidized, but were on the contrary - donors ... = resources, dear - CA And Kazakhstan is just a storehouse of resources, both minerals and "food" and all sorts of different agricultural crops =. And again, anticipating YOUR objections = Russia also has a lot of resources =, I will remind you again about CLUSTERIZATION and, most importantly, about the cost of goods ... *))

              In general, it is useless for you to say something. You will carry the blizzard and will be so. But to me in fact - do not care. Your stupidity is not mine ... *)
              1. strannik595
                strannik595 April 29 2014 18: 55
                -4
                where I wrote that, they drove gas from Russia to Tajikistan? I wrote that everything related to its production, in the same Turkmenistan, was funded from the budget of the Union, as well as the construction of defense enterprises and agricultural support .... the fact that Tajikistan was subsidized is evident from the situation today .. ...... like Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan, where did they go?
                resources, dear - CA I Kazakhstan - directly a storehouse of resources, both minerals and "food" and all kinds of different agricultural crops =
                ... where are they, resources and grub laughing ? ... Kazakhstan is surviving due to close cooperation within the framework of the Customs Union ........ and why are you attached to the concept of CLASTERIZATION, I know what it is ....... treat your blizzard with purine, switch to personalities - this is a sign of Sharovka-Bydlovskaya ..... I will not respond to barking ........
                about the cost of goods of Tadizhkistan
                You are our literate
                1. de_monSher
                  de_monSher April 29 2014 19: 06
                  +2
                  You are our literate


                  Not yours, for sure ... *) Stop pandering - you want to talk, speak normally - and not by show-offs, anyway you can’t make jokes subtly enough ... *)

                  Your conclusions are somehow incomprehensible to me in this moment -

                  the fact that Tajikistan was subsidized is evident from the situation today


                  If you come from Tajikistan, you probably know that the brothers and sisters of Tajiks and Tajiks started to drink some kind of blood for each other - and they even succeeded. And then everyone got it - including the Russians in this country - that, believe me, personally causes me deep regret and sympathy for the victims of that ugly phenomenon called - civil war. And what do you order the economy of a country that could not get out of permanent wars to be?

                  As for Uzbekistan ... what are you talking about? Is Uzbekistan somehow dependent on Russia? By gas? By resources? By production? Yes, no, it seems - production clusters are, poorly poorly, established and working. Maybe you mean guest workers? So it sounds really stupid with your filing. You then, first of all, remember the millions of Russians who are scattered throughout the world, from the USA to Vietnam and even Micronesia. And what, for example, does the average American or German think while looking at the Russian guest worker at home?

                  Like that... *)

                  Mdja ...
                2. Zymran
                  Zymran April 29 2014 19: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: strannik595
                  Kazakhstan survives due to close cooperation within the framework of the Customs Union ........ and why did you cling to the concept of CLASTERIZATION,


                  Yes, you what, but the men didn’t know. Kazakhstan suffers losses in the Customs Union, and only thanks to the Sun-Integration does integration go further.
                  1. strannik595
                    strannik595 April 29 2014 19: 21
                    -3
                    Kazakhstan incurs losses in the Customs Union
                    I apologize .. I did not know that the products of Kazakhstan's enterprises are in great demand in the markets of Europe, America and China, and France pays the rent for Baikonur, thank you, I instructed .....
                    1. Zymran
                      Zymran April 29 2014 19: 55
                      +1
                      The main trading partner of Kazakhstan is the European Union, more than 50 billion per year.

                      Quote: strannik595
                      France pays rent for Baikonur


                      150 millions not in money, but in decommissioned military equipment.
                      1. strannik595
                        strannik595 April 29 2014 20: 40
                        +1
                        The main trading partner of Kazakhstan is the European Union, more than 50 billion per year.
                        not i said
                        Trade between the countries participating in the Common Economic Space (CES) - Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus for two years, that is, after the creation of the CES, grew by 45% and reached 68 billion dollars. This was announced by the Minister of Competition and Antimonopoly Regulation of the Eurasian Economic Commission (EEC) Nurlan Aldabergenov, according to the website 1prime.ru.
                        to Europe, if I understood correctly, Kazakhstan sells gas and oil, that’s all the goods
                        It should be noted that Kazakhstan is becoming an increasingly active participant in world trade. However, the main share in the commodity structure of Kazakhstan's exports to the European Union countries is still accounted for by minerals, which corresponds to 89,3%, while machinery, equipment and vehicles account for the largest volume of imports from the European Union to Kazakhstan to 55,2%.
                        Kazakhstan has a small share in the EU’s turnover, although it is its main partner in the Central African Republic. According to the results of 2012, the main trade partners of the EU - the USA, China and Russia accounted for 40% of foreign trade, or 14,1%, 8,6% and 17,3%, respectively. Kazakhstan's share in 2012 was 0,7% of EU trade. For Kazakhstan, the EU is a key trading partner along with Russia, China and Ukraine, which today account for more than 75% of the total foreign trade of Kazakhstan.
                      2. Zymran
                        Zymran April 29 2014 22: 02
                        +3
                        The foreign trade turnover of Kazakhstan and the EU countries amounted to I half year 2013 year 26 billion dollars, the press service of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan reports following a meeting between the head of the department, Yerlan Idrisov, with the vice-president of the European People’s Party, European Parliament deputy Mario David in Astana.

                        “During the conversation, it was noted that The EU is Kazakhstan's largest trade and economic partnerwhich accounts for half Kazakhstan foreign trade. The foreign trade turnover of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the EU for the first half of the 2013 year amounted to about 26 billion dollars, ”the statement of the Foreign Ministry referred to by News-Kazakhstan reports.

                        In 2012, trade between Kazakhstan and the EU amounted to 53 billion dollars, and in 2011 - 50 billion.

                        Idrisov noted that one of the important results of the visit of the President of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso, to Kazakhstan in early June of the 2013 year was an agreement to accelerate the preparation of a new Agreement on expanded partnership and cooperation between Kazakhstan and the European Union. The Foreign Minister of Kazakhstan emphasized that Kazakhstan is interested in further advancing the negotiation process and in signing the agreement as soon as possible.


                        Yes, commodity circulation to Europe is mainly raw materials, but the same is true in Russia. And for non-primary goods, your authorities put different barriers.
              2. de_monSher
                de_monSher April 29 2014 19: 10
                +2
                treat your blizzard, go to the person - this is a sign of Sharovkov-cattle


                When a person carries snowstorm - I tell him honestly, - "man, you are carrying a PURGA", and not "Hey you, B-d-l-o, why are you talking about a BLAST! "... = this is given as an example, and does not apply to ANYONE PERSONALLY = feel the difference?

                So, dear, learn first, to talk and understand the idea of ​​the interlocutor, and maybe learn to bring weighty arguments in disputes ... *)
                1. strannik595
                  strannik595 April 29 2014 19: 23
                  0
                  So, dear, learn to speak and understand first
                  oh how!
                  In general, it is useless for you to say something. You will carry the blizzard and will be so. But to me in fact - do not care. Your stupidity is not mine ... *)
                  learn to make good arguments in disputes ... *)
                  so far we, the wretched ones, are up to you Korofeev of world thought (clustering, it’s such a thing, understand) ......... I am taking my leave for the sim and asking hi
                  1. de_monSher
                    de_monSher April 29 2014 19: 34
                    +2
                    So, dear, learn to speak and understand first


                    You read a little above TWO comments, don’t take out quotes ... *)) A person on the go, without even realizing it, gave out a bunch of chauvinistic stamps, which I personally caused a smile, and a natural desire to quiver it, from head to toe = but there is nothing to vilify ... *)) = ... what is wrong? You will walk if you are not LAZY for all my comments, and find at least one attack against Russia as COUNTRIES, COMMUNITIES OF PEOPLE, PHILOSOPHY, IDEAS, CULTURE = against Kazakhstan, there was a case, spoke out, grappled here with one comrade from the site, but then we both "got started" in earnest and grabbed - I confess, it's a sin = ... If you find my statements like that, so be it, I'm ready I will subscribe to the fact that I - mr-a-z-b, the last ...

                    Look something like this ... *)

                    Behavioral culture and speech, fortitude and humanity are always and in everything - this is what makes us human, and not glimmers of our glory countries...
                  2. de_monSher
                    de_monSher April 30 2014 01: 36
                    +2
                    I take my leave for the sim and ask a lot to sorry


                    Not a high school ketyu pa, monsieur ... *))))) The main thing is that you have no offense in your soul ... *)) I basically ... kindly banter ... *)
              3. de_monSher
                de_monSher April 30 2014 01: 57
                +2
                .and why you are attached to the concept of CLUSTERING


                Just because, dear yourself, you started talking in this vein - did you remember the roads and gas in Tajikistan ... or have you already forgotten about it urgently? In essence, any normal economy should work on this principle - production is concentrated near the source of resources - the adjacent regions receive infrastructure benefits, and remote regions receive the product of deep processing of this very resource. That is why, in the same Uzbekistan, in Soviet times, emphasis was placed on the development of agriculture, textile, chemical industry, electronics, resource extraction = a source of ultrapure silicon, poly and rare earth metals, cotton culture, vegetable growing, cattle breeding, gas, oil, uranium, fluorite , gold - at hand =. Uzbekistan is just an example. I think about Donbass, Belarus or Central Russia you yourself can figure out ...
    3. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 April 29 2014 16: 30
      -5
      Did he understand what he wrote? Or according to the principle "Horses, people mixed up in a heap"?
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  5. Orik
    Orik April 29 2014 18: 49
    0
    Quote: Comintern
    God forbid the USSR only Russia

    Man you already decide, who are you? Comintern or nationalist. wink
  • Little Muck
    Little Muck April 29 2014 14: 51
    +27
    The breakdown of the answers to the “special Russian way” and “the way of the USSR as a socialist state” is actually just a manipulative ploy of sociologists
    I was born in the Soviet Union, I was made in the USSR.
    And I will be glad to see it updated, strong, friendly and successful. drinks
    1. vadimalehin76
      vadimalehin76 April 29 2014 14: 54
      +2
      I completely agree, we will drinks
    2. vadimalehin76
      vadimalehin76 April 29 2014 14: 54
      0
      I completely agree, we will drinks
  • Palladium900
    Palladium900 April 29 2014 14: 52
    +20
    Something like this?.
  • a52333
    a52333 April 29 2014 14: 53
    +4
    Levada perceptibly pushed the figure - who wants to go the capitalist path. She is minuscule, three to five percent.
  • Same lech
    Same lech April 29 2014 14: 53
    +5
    It is too early to talk about the USSR .... such an alliance should take place primarily in an economic way, only then can we talk about a political alliance.
    1. delfinN
      delfinN April 29 2014 15: 01
      0
      Just not the Soviet Union. Customs yes.
      1. GradusHuK
        GradusHuK April 29 2014 15: 29
        -3
        The peoples of the USSR are uniting!
  • tchack
    tchack April 29 2014 14: 54
    +3
    The USSR is a passed stage. Our path to the Golden Age society, where comrade Stalin did not bring us.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev April 29 2014 19: 55
      -2
      True, they say that Stalin was not allowed to bring people to the Golden Age society. First they set the Third Reich against the USSR, and when they realized that the attempt failed, they simply killed the Generalissimo.
  • pinecone
    pinecone April 29 2014 14: 55
    +11
    Russian bear woke up.
    1. vadimalehin76
      vadimalehin76 April 29 2014 14: 58
      +2
      In vain woke up drinks
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    3. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik April 29 2014 16: 14
      +4
      Quote: pinecone
      Russian bear woke up.
  • Leshka
    Leshka April 29 2014 15: 00
    +1
    this should be our main goal good
  • tommytros
    tommytros April 29 2014 15: 00
    +5
    USSR 2.0 is a state with a very special democratic system and market economy. bully
    1. atalef
      atalef April 29 2014 16: 50
      0
      Quote: tommytros
      USSR 2.0 is a state with a very special democratic system and market economy. bully

      it's like, you can decipher, especially about a market economy
    2. atalef
      atalef April 29 2014 16: 50
      +1
      Quote: tommytros
      USSR 2.0 is a state with a very special democratic system and market economy. bully

      it's like, you can decipher, especially about a market economy
      1. Barsik
        Barsik April 29 2014 17: 14
        0
        it's like, you can decipher, especially about a market economy

        Envy silently laughing you can not understand good
        1. atalef
          atalef April 29 2014 17: 21
          0
          Quote: Barsik
          Envy silently you do not understand

          Well, of course, you lived alone in the USSR and what a market economy is - you know the same laughing
        2. atalef
          atalef April 29 2014 17: 21
          0
          Quote: Barsik
          Envy silently you do not understand

          Well, of course, you lived alone in the USSR and what a market economy is - you know the same laughing
    3. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer April 29 2014 17: 21
      0
      Quote: tommytros
      The USSR 2.0 is a state with a very special democratic system and market economy.
      Complete nonsense! The USSR is democracy and a planned economy! And what you offer can be called only as the Russian Empire!
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      2. atalef
        atalef April 29 2014 19: 18
        0
        Quote: Azzzwer
        Complete nonsense! The USSR is democracy and a planned economy

        This is definitely nonsense. there was neither democracy nor economics.
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher April 29 2014 19: 22
          +1
          This is definitely nonsense. there was neither democracy nor economics.


          And what was then? *)) Tell me, it’s curious ... = scored cookies, poured coffee and settled down in a chair more comfortable = ... *))
  • shaman-25rus
    shaman-25rus April 29 2014 15: 05
    +7
    So in fact he is already being reborn. In the form of a customs union (for now).
  • Jarik56
    Jarik56 April 29 2014 15: 05
    +3
    Why do we need to repeat something or copy someone? The very course of history will tell us your way. Both Tsarist and Soviet Russia had their pluses and minuses. But this must be applied to modern realities.
  • johnsnz
    johnsnz April 29 2014 15: 06
    +5
    The USSR is no longer assembled. No way! And to create a new union, what is needed is, first and foremost, a strong Russia. With an established social network and a strong economy. In the meantime, quite happy with the vehicle.
    1. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK April 29 2014 15: 30
      +1
      People need an idea. Need a goal.
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev April 29 2014 15: 40
      +1
      Quote: johnsnz
      The USSR is no longer assembled. No way! And to create a new union, what is needed is, first and foremost, a strong Russia. With an established social network and a strong economy.

      Yes, we need a strong Russia with a strong economy.
      But, first of all, this economy should be self, and not even successful, albeit a large, but just not a self-sufficient part of the global.
    3. GRune
      GRune April 29 2014 16: 01
      0
      How not how, but the world revolution?
  • smmeh
    smmeh April 29 2014 15: 06
    +2
    I am for the USSR and only this way it will be right.
    1. Galich Kos
      Galich Kos April 29 2014 15: 24
      +3
      And underdeveloped Tajikistan or Uzbekistan will be included in the new USSR ???
      1. Tra-ta-ta
        Tra-ta-ta April 29 2014 15: 48
        +2
        They stick with us, so ... everywhere ..
      2. atalef
        atalef April 29 2014 16: 51
        0
        Quote: Galich Kos
        And underdeveloped Tajikistan or Uzbekistan will be included in the new USSR ???

        But what about. Kyrgyzstan is the same with Turkmenistan (although one Turkmenbashi died there, another instead) - but nothing of the USSR. There is no choice.
      3. Guard
        Guard April 29 2014 22: 27
        +5
        Quote: Galich Kos
        And underdeveloped Tajikistan or Uzbekistan will be included in the new USSR ???

        As a Kazakh, I believe that friends should be supported regardless of their financial condition. Tomorrow the Uzbeks or Tajiks will rise - then you will start tricks to start?
        I am convinced that Kazakhstan should help the Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Ukrainians, Russians, Georgians, if there is an opportunity and a need. Uzbeks have always historically been richer than Kazakhs. Now their stupid ruler drove them into poverty, and the Kazakhs, on the contrary, rose well. A normal president will come to power in Tashkent tomorrow and he will be able to double the country at the expense of the natural hard work of the Uzbeks. A trailer and Tajikistan will rise (these countries are highly interconnected).
        The Kyrgyz are now working hard on their legislation in order to extend it to the level of Kazakhstani, Russian laws (and, moreover, they are guided by the laws and regulations of the Customs Union, which will gain strength in the emerging EAC). And then - a matter of technology.
        And from your words smacks of banal prostitution. "I love whoever has money, and I despise whoever does not."
        1. Galich Kos
          Galich Kos April 30 2014 10: 28
          0
          Quote: Guard
          As a Kazakh, I believe that friends should be supported regardless of their financial condition.

          Totally agree with you. Here are just no friendly, and especially brotherly feelings for Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc. I personally do not experience!
          Quote: Guard
          And from your words smacks of banal prostitution. "I love whoever has money, and I despise whoever does not."

          If you have a desire to give the last shirt to a smelly Tajik, then please, this is your business, personal. I and many Russians have no such desire.
          1. Argyn-suindyk
            Argyn-suindyk April 30 2014 18: 06
            +3
            [quote = Galich Kos] [quote = Karauyl] I, as a Kazakh, believe that friends should be supported regardless of their financial condition. [/ quote]
            Totally agree with you. Here are just no friendly, and especially brotherly feelings for Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc. I personally do not experience!
            [quote = Karauyl] And your words smell like banal prostitution. "I love those who have money, and I despise those who do not." [/ Quote]
            If you have a desire to give the last shirt to a smelly Tajik, then please, this is your business, personal. I and many Russians have no such desire. [/ Quote
            What does a smelly Tajik mean?
          2. de_monSher
            de_monSher April 30 2014 19: 16
            +3
            If you have a desire to give the last shirt to a smelly Tajik


            I noticed, here's the thing ... *) Odor live animals - dogs for example. They usually sniff - usually under the tails .... *) People, usually in other people appreciate intelligence. And he does not smell. So I can congratulate you - you live by smells, then this is your fate, karma directly ... *))
  • delfinN
    delfinN April 29 2014 15: 06
    +9
    Actually, everything will change in the maelstrom of events. As one Bulgarian forecaster predicted, everyone would magnify Russia. From myself I’ll add: there are no miracles, Russia is an exception!
    1. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq April 29 2014 16: 07
      +5
      Quote: delfinN
      Actually, everything will change in the maelstrom of events. As one Bulgarian forecaster predicted, everyone would magnify Russia. From myself I’ll add: there are no miracles, Russia is an exception!

      I agree with you, the Serbs have a saying:
      "There is God in heaven, and Russia on earth !!"
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  • Sergey47
    Sergey47 April 29 2014 15: 07
    +7
    At least the USSR, at least RSSS, what's the difference. The main thing is that it should be an adequate deterrent to the West. No one in the world is able to stop the gangster West, only we. And what will it be called, the tenth question.
    1. Sour
      Sour April 29 2014 16: 54
      0
      Quote: Sergey47
      At least the USSR, at least RSSS, what's the difference. The main thing is that it should be an adequate deterrent to the West. No one in the world is able to stop the gangster West, only we. And what will it be called, the tenth question.

      For me, the main thing is how the Russians and other peoples of Russia will live.
      And the main thing for you is how to spoil the West.
      And this is a serious contradiction in this forum.
      But among the masses of the people this contradiction is not. Most dream of the welfare of the motherland, and not about the problems of foreign countries.
      This is the difference between a patriot and an idiot.
      1. atalef
        atalef April 29 2014 18: 48
        0
        Quote: Sour
        For me, the main thing is how Russians and other peoples of Russia will live. And for you, the main thing is how to shit the West. And this is a serious contradiction in this forum

        Well noticed, many are ready to spoil the West - even at the cost of their own lives or the well-being of children.
        It may be easier to make life in Russia such that the West would envy
  • askort154
    askort154 April 29 2014 15: 07
    0
    "Knowing and calculating everything" LEVADA-CENTER, your days of the 90s cannot be returned. To frighten the world with the new USSR -
    a soap for your noose, in which everyone who is still conducting on your TALES will find themselves. The world is gradually beginning to understand the role of Russia, bearing the true TRUTH.
  • Gagarin
    Gagarin April 29 2014 15: 10
    +9
    Maxim Kalashnikov has an interesting book of the USSR-2, I recommend it.
    I’m just sure that New Russia will be unique.
    1. vadimalehin76
      vadimalehin76 April 29 2014 15: 13
      +1
      Be kind, give a reference to the book. hi
      1. kocclissi
        kocclissi April 29 2014 15: 38
        0
        http://lib.rus.ec/a/5365
        http://tululu.org/a7555/
      2. dzvero
        dzvero April 29 2014 15: 50
        0
        Maxim Kalashnikov, "Forward to the USSR-2!"
        http://lib.aldebaran.ru/author/kalashnikov_maksim/kalashnikov_maksim_vpered_v_ss
        sr2 /
        1. vadimalehin76
          vadimalehin76 April 29 2014 15: 55
          0
          Thank you very much hi
        2. vadimalehin76
          vadimalehin76 April 29 2014 15: 55
          0
          Thank you very much hi
  • sinukvl
    sinukvl April 29 2014 15: 11
    +11
    The capitalist economy is built on a money-commodity-money scheme. Moreover, there should always be more money at the exit than at the entrance. Otherwise, you are bankrupt. And the more money there is at the exit, the greater the desire to attach it somewhere else. But the markets are not unlimited, this is a real economic pyramid. There are two ways out of capturing new markets (economic war) or just war (the money spent on equipment burns out along with the equipment, and the victims can not pay a salary. According to the principle of the economy of China itself). If these two conditions are not met, then capitalism will be bent because an economic system called capitalism is a system of unstable equilibrium. A stable economic system is socialism with its planned economy (I mean the global economy of the country, and not small and even medium-sized businesses, they will completely manage to regulate their activities themselves). And there is no alternative here either the country has a chance to get a lot now, and then it just bends down, or receives exactly as much as it can afford at the moment and is constantly developing its economy, albeit without huge jerks, but with guaranteed growth stability of the development vector.
    1. Sour
      Sour April 29 2014 16: 57
      0
      Quote: sinukvl
      The capitalist economy is built on a money-commodity-money scheme.

      Built on this Any economy.
      Going beyond the limits of this formula means the extinction of the economy and the onset of devastation.
  • Gagarin
    Gagarin April 29 2014 15: 15
    +3
    But don’t we see, or at least not dream of, Russia's bright future? Has the Lord created such a large nation and together such an immense body of the Church only to give it to be eaten by worms? Has Russia developed all its forces into the talents inherent in its body and outlived them? No, by all indications, she is a young historical body, growing to replace aging organisms. To think otherwise would be a blasphemy against the Providence of God. (Prof. Voyno-Yasenetsky, Archbishop of Luke).
  • horoh
    horoh April 29 2014 15: 16
    +1
    I want to go back to the USSR !!!
  • gunter_laux
    gunter_laux April 29 2014 15: 16
    +3
    What for? Old people are nostalgic, young people don’t understand what is at stake. what
    1. RUSS
      RUSS April 29 2014 16: 02
      0
      Quote: gunter_laux
      What for? Old people are nostalgic, young people don’t understand what is at stake.


      Indeed, some are nostalgic, others are misunderstood.
    2. Patton5
      Patton5 April 29 2014 16: 07
      0
      But why?
      And why not?
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 29 2014 15: 20
    +4
    But you wouldn’t climb into Ukraine with your "pies" - you might as well have carried it! They probably regret it! Especially Obamanuty Lamb!
  • Igor62
    Igor62 April 29 2014 15: 21
    0
    I want in the USSR!
  • Russian jacket
    Russian jacket April 29 2014 15: 22
    +8
    Let Russia wake up to the end. And there we will see who is worth what, Russia and the West. But we should not be together, and thank God, we are too different
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т April 29 2014 17: 22
      0
      The people in our country, in the West, do not differ much. At first, religions were different / hostile, then economies. But remember the average German GDR - an atheist, socialist, likes to drink on Friday, does not like America - how does he differ from us? laughing
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  • Turk
    Turk April 29 2014 15: 26
    0
    Quote: Igor62
    I want in the USSR!

    Keep!
  • miha.ru
    miha.ru April 29 2014 15: 29
    -1
    not the ussr early, Russia will probably be called but in the west the ussr as always with them, but I agree on one thing, we must get rid of the screen of the west
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz April 29 2014 17: 31
      0
      not the Soviet Union early, Russia will sooner be called =========== USSR, Russia-is written so. Namely with a capital letter. Do not humiliate the Russian language.
  • dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz April 29 2014 15: 29
    +3
    I don’t want the USSR. For one simple reason, waste on different countries, such as "... stan"? Why do we need it? How many are they to us and how many RSFSR they are? And what do we have now? Practical negative from almost everyone. Yes, in the Union and there were counters on the buses, and no one poked glasses in gas vending machines, and the plane ticket cost a penny, the children walked without fear. But this cannot be returned. Calm down those who care for the Union. There will be no more. And no need. We live in a different reality. Sooner or later, the Union would have collapsed anyway. And maybe with more blood. Look at life more real. It can be shocking, even personal.
    1. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK April 29 2014 15: 37
      +1
      As they say, everything is done for the better.
    2. Patton5
      Patton5 April 29 2014 16: 10
      0
      I don’t want the USSR. For one simple reason, waste on different countries, such as "... stan"? Why do we need it? How many are they to us and how many RSFSR they are? And what do we have now? Practical negative from almost everyone. Yes, in the Union and there were counters on the buses, and no one poked glasses in gas vending machines, and the plane ticket cost a penny, the children walked without fear. But this cannot be returned. Calm down those who care for the Union. There will be no more. And no need. We live in a different reality. Sooner or later, the Union would have collapsed anyway. And maybe with more blood. Look at life more real. It can be shocking, even personal.
      You are too categorical! I know only one thing, one day you and I will not be ... but otherwise !?
      1. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz April 29 2014 16: 41
        0
        You are too categorical! I know only one thing, one day you and I will not ... and the rest!? ============= Our children will live. We lived in the USSR. They are in Russia. This is a plus for them. the big one, though, is that they can not only be smart, strong, courageous, but also consult, communicate, study or teach their peers in other countries. It is our children who are now making future policies abroad. And not in a computer, but in real seminars, meetings, just on the beaches. Not for the sake of us adults, now many ordinary people began to respect Russia, but our children just shocked them! Bright, smart, kind! Not my words. This is my eldest son (14 years) translated from some French newspaper six months ago. Here it is somehow. hi
  • bulvas
    bulvas April 29 2014 15: 32
    +5
    I do not want in the USSR!

    But in fact - so far we have not enough people who can honestly and productively work without a team from above
    On command, something turns out, although ineffectively and slowly. As long as the country has a leader, there is a movement when it is not a leader who comes, but simply a "leader", again marking time, thieves and talkers bloom.

    In the USSR it was not possible to develop initiative people, therefore, we have what we have

    I do not want in the USSR!
    1. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK April 29 2014 15: 38
      +1
      I do not agree with you.
    2. Patton5
      Patton5 April 29 2014 16: 14
      +3

      In the USSR there was no opportunity to develop initiative people,
      ???????
      In your initiative, who? Isn't that what buy sell !?
      And who is talking about the stupid repetition of the USSR ?!
      1. Sour
        Sour April 29 2014 17: 02
        0
        Quote: Patton5
        And who is talking about the stupid repetition of the USSR ?!

        All the "nostalgic" people squeal about this.
        Including you. For you, apparently, "buy and sell" is an insult. And this is the foundation of any economy. Without this, even the socialist economy would have died in 1921.
        Try to competently buy and competently sell. It is not simple. And this is very important.
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т April 29 2014 17: 28
          +2
          Quote: Sour
          Try to competently buy and competently sell.

          But didn’t you think about the need to first correctly create a product? laughing
          1. Lyubteh
            Lyubteh April 29 2014 20: 05
            +1
            As one very clever Man said, in the union we missed not the good goods but the good wrappers.
            1. s1н7т
              s1н7т April 29 2014 22: 17
              +1
              Just now my wife bought an expensive stew - well, like, real! And there - an ordinary pi-pie! I ask, do you remember the Soviet one? Nuuuu. Here are those and well! Right now, only beautiful wrappers, but inside - because capitalism, because profit is the main thing. And when I remember "Breakfast of a tourist" from a dry ration, already drooling and 100 gr. ask drinks
        2. Patton5
          Patton5 April 29 2014 17: 37
          +1
          Yes, dozens of intermediaries between "peasant and consumer" are VERY important!
          ... For you, apparently, "buy and sell" is an insult
          Very soon, large chains and corporations of all these "buy and sell will let them all over the world", what then will the initiative ones do !? In principle, this is already in full swing
    3. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K April 29 2014 16: 42
      0
      bulvas: "In fact, we still don't have enough people who are able to work honestly and productively without a command from above."

      And by what principle do you work? Surely every 30 of minutes you have a smoke break, chatter is at work, and if there is also a computer on the table, then half a day on the Internet. By the way, in your beloved West they work the same way. They just get fired for such liberties. And their thieves are no less, they simply hide these facts.

      bulvas: "In the USSR, there was no opportunity for proactive people to develop, so we have what we have"

      Lies! The USSR was ahead of the West and the USA in everything! And in space and in defense and in science and technology. Until now, ... America cannot attack Russia, because high-tech developments still protect Russia. Some of them Americans still can not repeat.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas April 29 2014 17: 16
        +2
        Quote: Алексей_К
        and a computer on the table, then half a day on the Internet.


        why half a day? All day, or rather - 12-16 hours a day, because I am a programmer and work for myself. There are no smoke breaks because I do not smoke.

        The last 2.5 months have become more distracted - watch the news and communicate on this forum, it is clear why


        And if the USSR was ahead of the West in everything, and not just in the military-industrial complex and space, the USSR would not have collapsed and the masses of specialists would not have fled to the West, realizing their abilities there.

        I hope there will be no more such mistake and the main attention will be paid to the country's main value - people
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т April 29 2014 17: 32
          +1
          Quote: bulvas
          I hope there will be no more such mistake and the main attention will be paid to the country's main value - people

          Pipets, naivety (or stupidity?)! Capitalism has the main value - profit! And in our country, I recall, capitalism lol
        2. Patton5
          Patton5 April 29 2014 17: 57
          -1

          And if the USSR was ahead of the West in everything, and not just in the military-industrial complex and space, the USSR would not have collapsed and the masses of specialists would not have fled to the West, realizing their abilities there.

          "Horses mixed in a bunch, people,
          And the volleys of a thousand guns
          Merged into a drawn-out howl ... "

          I ask you on your own behalf, please do not run west!
          1. bulvas
            bulvas April 29 2014 18: 22
            +1
            Quote: Patton5
            I ask you on your own behalf, please do not run west!



            I will not run away
        3. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K April 30 2014 22: 10
          0
          Gorbachev himself admitted that together with Raika they dreamed of destroying the communist regime in the USSR. Often in the United States, he constantly disappeared from the field of view of foreign intelligence of the USSR for several hours. Andropov summoned him to this matter, but did not arrest him and did not bring him to trial. Therefore, the USSR did not fall apart, it was deliberately destroyed. This was the task of the West and Gorbachev and Andropov performed it well.
    4. RUSS
      RUSS April 29 2014 16: 51
      +1
      Quote: bulvas
      In the USSR it was not possible to develop initiative people, therefore, we have what we have


      But we have neither the USSR nor Socialism, and capitalism is bad or good, everyone decides for himself, capitalism in most countries and in China is a capitalist system under the control of the Chinese Communist Party, and there is no socialism, let alone communism, but where socialism is close to its definition so it is in some Scandinavian countries.
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 April 29 2014 17: 06
        -1
        OH OH OH!!! not in Sweden !? You are our storyteller laughing
      2. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K April 30 2014 22: 12
        0
        You probably mean homosexuality, not socialism.
    5. RUSS
      RUSS April 29 2014 16: 54
      0
      Quote: bulvas
      But in fact - so far we have not enough people who can honestly and productively work without a team from above


      The eternal problem sad
  • cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 29 2014 15: 32
    +2
    The main thing that RUSSIA was above the West and their depraved values. If our millionaires and billionaires do not export capital to the West and invest in production in RUSSIA, then they should be welcomed and supported, and if the capital is exported and do not support RUSSIA, then their business licenses in RUSSIA should be taken away from them. Then production growth will begin in RUSSIA. good good good drinks
    1. Patton5
      Patton5 April 29 2014 16: 27
      +3
      Strange statements request Kagbe billionaires rule ... Who will take away their licenses?
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 29 2014 16: 39
      -1
      And why do billionaires export capital to the West? Maybe from uncertainty about tomorrow or crazy corruption and bribery in our country? When all leeches will be redone, when there will be confidence and faith in justice, then the money will work in their country!
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 April 29 2014 16: 59
        +1
        the billionaire is always looking for où le profit (where it is profitable) and they do not care about everything else .... otherwise they would not be billionaires
        Maybe from uncertainty about tomorrow
        without thorough
        crazy corruption and bribery in our country
        as if they are the main locomotive of corruption. Corruption is beneficial to them, corruption is their alpha and omega. Do not be corruption, how would they become billionaires in 20 years (and many are much shorter) ???
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 29 2014 17: 54
          -1
          Quote: Patton5
          billionaire is always looking for où le profit (where it is profitable)

          That's what needs to be done to make it profitable for us!
          1. Patton5
            Patton5 April 29 2014 18: 11
            -1
            Well, yes! I will add, "gently" force to leave money in the homeland
      2. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K April 30 2014 22: 13
        0
        This requires the power of the Communist Party.
  • upasika1918
    upasika1918 April 29 2014 15: 33
    +3
    Levada is still a slut.
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  • Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx April 29 2014 15: 39
    -2
    Not to the Soviet Union, but to the Russian Empire!
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz April 29 2014 15: 42
      +2
      and to the Russian Empire! ============= Two completely different ideologies and countries.
    2. Patton5
      Patton5 April 29 2014 16: 18
      +1
      Not to the Soviet Union, but to the Russian Empire!
      That's what you don’t need! Better immediately in a primitive communal system ?!)))
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought April 29 2014 16: 03
    +5
    The Soviet Union was the most socially oriented, i.e. e. per person, by the state in human history. Modern Russia must take the best of this historical experience and apply it based on modern conditions of life.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 29 2014 16: 57
      0
      Quote: Thought Giant
      The Soviet Union was the most socially oriented, i.e. e. per person, by state in human history

      You were not in Sweden with Norway. Sorry . Then they would definitely not say nonsense.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS April 29 2014 17: 05
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        You were not in Sweden with Norway. Sorry . Then they would definitely not say nonsense.


        In some Gulf countries, citizens and subjects are more socially protected and well-off than we are now or under the Union.
        1. atalef
          atalef April 29 2014 17: 27
          0
          Quote: RUSS
          In some Gulf countries, citizens and subjects are more socially protected and well-off than we are now or under the Union.

          Only the bay?
        2. Patton5
          Patton5 April 29 2014 17: 43
          -1
          In some Gulf countries, citizens and subjects are more socially protected and well-off than we are now or under the Union.
          But there is a monarchy! And women have no rights at all!
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          2. RUSS
            RUSS April 29 2014 17: 53
            0
            Quote: Patton5
            But there is a monarchy! And women have no rights at all!


            Do they need them?
            1. Patton5
              Patton5 April 29 2014 18: 00
              0
              Do not know request need to ask soldier... or not what
      2. Sour
        Sour April 29 2014 17: 05
        +1
        [
        Quote: atalef
        You were not in Sweden with Norway.

        Yes, I suspect that he was not in the USSR either.
      3. Patton5
        Patton5 April 29 2014 17: 42
        -1
        There it took hypertrophied forms, we don’t need this!
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т April 29 2014 17: 37
      +1
      Quote: Thought Giant
      Modern Russia must take the best of this historical experience and apply it based on modern conditions of life

      To do this, nationalization will have to be carried out, but who will? laughing
    3. Lyubteh
      Lyubteh April 29 2014 19: 43
      0
      I fully support!
  • polite people
    polite people April 29 2014 16: 21
    +1
    The problem with the elimination of pro-Russian terrorists who seized a number of buildings and several hostages in the city of Slavyansk, Donetsk region of Ukraine, can be solved by the KSK German army special forces and the GSG9 anti-terrorist unit of the German police, the newspaper Bild reports.

    According to sources in the Bundeswehr, at present, these units are already on full alert and ready to carry out a mission in Slavyansk in a few hours. This suggests that the order to use them is already on the table.
    How much will we wait? !
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 29 2014 16: 44
      0
      The Germans will not climb into Ukraine - idle talk and provocation! And their information is apparently wildly distorted, comrades seem really not to know what is happening in Ukraine.
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 April 29 2014 17: 15
        0
        Yes, in general, they don’t understand any HER ... but the Americans are generally stupid!
        Maybe they will not climb, but here it is
        And their information is apparently wildly distorted, comrades seem really not to know what is happening in Ukraine.
        Do you yourself believe in what nonsense you write?
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 29 2014 17: 59
          -1
          I believe. Do not try to make everyone stupid than yourself!
          1. Patton5
            Patton5 April 29 2014 18: 13
            0
            Well, so you are doing this)))
            And their information is apparently wildly distorted, comrades seem really not to know what is happening in Ukraine

            Do you yourself believe in what nonsense you write?
            this is a rhetorical question wink of course you believe!
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 April 29 2014 16: 29
    0
    money should be exactly as much as is necessary for the development of society (taking into account population growth), otherwise the society (state) will overtake either inflation or deflation. both are the nonequilibrium state of the economy !!!
  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K April 29 2014 16: 29
    +2
    Quote: Validator
    The Eurasian Union is the right thing.

    And where is the Eurasian Union? With China or what? By the way, the Russian Federation itself is a Eurasian republic. We are talking about the unification of Russia, Crimea, Belarus, Transnistria, Ossetia, Abkhazia and in the future of Southeast Ukraine into a single state. By the way, you can give it the name of the Soviet Socialist Republic - the Union of Free Republics.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т April 29 2014 17: 43
      0
      Well, I like the idea! I can imagine how all sorts of Brzezinski's become stunned - life failed! laughing
  • sxn278619
    sxn278619 April 29 2014 16: 55
    +1
    Moore is all that. The economically planned system was losing the market, even if the mediocrity of the Politburo and the ideology of world domination were removed.
    1. de_monSher
      de_monSher April 29 2014 17: 00
      +2
      The economically planned system was losing the market, the mediocrity of the Politburo and the ideology of world domination.


      You just don't see the difference ... *) Significant ... or rather, this is the norm for you - the "market" economy is a principle "eat, take, undress", and "planned" - "feed, give, dress and warm"... *) Even in spite of all the excesses ... *) In fact, you made your choice, of course, and do not tell me to tell you ...

      Just a fact will always remain a fact ... *)
      1. Sour
        Sour April 29 2014 17: 08
        0
        Quote: de_monSher
        and "planned" means "feed, give, dress and warm."

        And the planned one is "dispossession, shoot, erase into the camp dust." Something like this. Straight, "fed". Lived the most satisfying in the USSR? Do not make me laugh.
        Just a fact will always remain a fact ...

        Are you talking about the collapse of the USSR? It was, I remember.
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher April 29 2014 17: 17
          +1
          And the planned one is "dekulak, shoot, erase into camp dust"


          Someone else is amused - the question ... *)) I at least give out my own thoughts ... *)) You just spar like a crib - "GulAG, archipelago-dispossessed-erased-in-the-dust; they shot right away without understanding - on the spot. " Let me remind you again - "60 million killed in the war, millions of raped German women" ... have you forgotten anything? And, exactly, "Katyn, Jews who cannot leave the USSR" ... ummmmm ... in general, "scoop" ... *)) Have you listed everything now?

          And if in essence, you have objections then?

          PS: It's funny to read you like that. Recently, a friend of mine from Belarus contacted me. At the same time, her eyes were bulging. "Do you see, see what Russia is doing in Crimea?" “What is she doing there?” I asked. "Well, of course - they took it away, elections at gunpoint", etc. etc. I could only answer her this way - “My dear, I don’t want to argue with you because of politics, BUT! I have a lot of friends in Crimea, and they are all unanimous in reunification with Russia. So for me this is a point, and I can't have any reasoning - it's their choice and decision. " After that, she stopped communicating with me. What I mean - you have the same expressive manner of presenting your thoughts ... *) huh ...
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            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher April 29 2014 17: 37
              0
              And do not mow under the patriots, in a communal rabble it does not work well.


              P-N-X ... *) the conversation is over with you. I don’t intend to spend time on re-tins ... *)))
              1. Sour
                Sour April 29 2014 17: 44
                0
                You yourself are kr-etin, red-faced.
                It was you who ruined Russia. Both in 1917 and in 1991.
                And there too - you climb into patriots.
                Go away.)))
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS April 29 2014 17: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: Sour
                  You yourself are kr-etin, red-faced.
                  It was you who ruined Russia. Both in 1917 and in 1991.


                  In the 17th, not everything is so simple, but in the 91st, it was the Communists who fell apart and fell into the abyss!
                2. anomalocaris
                  anomalocaris April 29 2014 18: 23
                  -1
                  Baby, don’t you happen to be a count?
                3. anomalocaris
                  anomalocaris April 30 2014 15: 23
                  0
                  Baby, which is very Sour, apparently you know the story very badly. My great-grandfather personally organized the roll-out of two three-inch and six maxims in order to stop the movement of the train with the Czechs. He stopped them, which is characteristic. Then, calmly enough, he accepted the Soviet regime. Incidentally, he was a merchant of the second guild.
                  Your maxim about 1917 and 1991 fully proves your ignorance of history and complete liberal zombies. I strongly advise you to heal.
            2. s1н7т
              s1н7т April 29 2014 17: 51
              0
              Quote: Sour
              Nothing, the aspen stake is driving you straight into the throat.

              And doesn’t flush?
        2. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx April 29 2014 18: 23
          -3
          Quote: Sour
          And the planned one is "dekulak, shoot, erase into camp dust"


          You are breaching, the Vlasov
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet April 29 2014 18: 06
        -1
        Quote: de_monSher
        and "planned" - "feed, give, dress and warm"

        I don’t have to spoil my brain! All of the above has passed! Hang noodles to youngsters!
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher April 29 2014 18: 11
          +3
          I don’t have to spoil my brain!


          A disgraced brain is your personal, deeply intimate sexual problem ... *) I personally, my brain is on the shore - I don’t have any unnecessary fights. Firstly, as soon as an inadequate appears on my way, I send it far away - through the forest and the steppe ... Secondly, the opinion that I PERSONALLY myself, I think is wrong, I try to refute it with reasoning, and I do not turn to squealing and vomiting of saliva and snot ... And if the interlocutor is inadequate - again, the point "first" is always at my disposal ... *)) I wish you the same ... *) What thread is still not clear? *))
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet April 29 2014 20: 16
            -3
            Quote: de_monSher
            What thread is not yet clear?

            Everything is clear - your brain is not yours. Did I understand correctly?
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher April 30 2014 01: 21
              +2
              Everything is clear - your brain is not yours. Did I understand correctly?


              Well, thank God, at least you read it correctly, and even tried to somehow, make a fluff, and on the word "catch" ... *)))

              You understood absolutely correctly. Well brain ... and so what? *)) Yes, even call jelly, if you don’t know how to use it, it will be jelly ... *)) As one great poet once said:

              What's in a name?
              It will die like the noise of a sad Wave,
              splashed into the distant shore,
              Like the sound of a night in the woods deaf ...


              Like that... *)
    2. Patton5
      Patton5 April 29 2014 17: 28
      +1
      what do you think, if you play baseball who will win professional baseball players or weightlifters? And another question, why should weightlifters play baseball? We lost ideologically. And not economically .... The planned economy for our country was a salvation, but we stopped believing in it (I wanted a sweet life, and is not applicable for everyone), but this only happens in a fairy tale, so we have what we have (on the one hand oligarchy with other beggars)
      1. Sour
        Sour April 29 2014 17: 49
        0
        Quote: Patton5
        And another question, why should weightlifters play baseball? We lost ideologically. But not economically ..

        The hint is clear.
        New values ​​were needed.
        It was necessary to convince the people that he did not need material wealth, and most importantly, that the commander-commander should live well and command.
        It was called "creating a new type of man."
        Did not work out? Yes, it didn’t work out. What the hell should this work?
        1. Patton5
          Patton5 April 29 2014 18: 35
          0
          It was necessary to convince the people that he did not need material wealth, and most importantly, that the commander-commander should live well and command.
          Well yes! The capitalists succeeded
          "to create a person of a new type."
          individual, egocentric, consumer ... and the boss does not just live well, but "shekoladno" lives "komunyake" never dreamed of repeat
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet April 29 2014 18: 09
        -1
        Quote: Patton5
        what do you think if you play baseball

        Playing Baseball - NOT PATRIOTIC! Play bast shoes - almost the same thing.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 29 2014 20: 13
          -1
          Some werewolves do not like national games - give them baseball!
      3. atalef
        atalef April 29 2014 19: 22
        0
        Quote: Patton5
        We lost ideologically. And not economically

        Economically, economically. If the people would live well. he would still believe in bright ideals. And so on TV one thing, and went to the plenums - even better. And you come to the store-- bare shelves.
        What an ideology.
        1. Patton5
          Patton5 April 29 2014 19: 31
          +1
          No need to tell me about this, okay? Until about the mid-eighties, everything was fine, and then a spotty black clock arrived and it started ... perestroika, glasnost, conversion, cooperatives, food stamps and many other delights ...
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet April 29 2014 21: 23
            -2
            Quote: Patton5
            Until about the mid-eighties, everything was fine.

            In Moscow ?
  • gandalf
    gandalf April 29 2014 16: 57
    +3
    of Russia must get ready seriously to the fact that all these liberated Slavs with rapture rush to EuropeTo loss of personality they will become infected with European forms, political and social, and thus will have to survive whole and long period of europeanism before comprehending at least something in its Slavic meaning and in its special Slavic calling among humanity.
    Between themselves, these zemstvos will forever quarrelforever to each other to envy and against each other intrigue. Of course, in the moment of some serious disaster, they all will certainly turn to Russia for help. No matter how they hate, gossip and slander Europe, flirting with her and assuring her of love, they will always feel instinctively (of course, in a moment of trouble, and not earlier), which Europe is a natural enemy their unity, it was and always will be, and what if they exist in the world, then, of course, because it costs huge magnet - Russia, which, irresistibly attracting them all to itself, restrains their integrity and unity.... "


    Dostoevsky Fedor Mikhailovich.
    The diary of a writer.
    September - December 1877.
  • homosum20
    homosum20 April 29 2014 17: 54
    0
    Yes, these Europe and America have already been lured with their attempts to measure our growth with a ruler. How much. We are satisfied. Myself would be measured more often.
  • A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 29 2014 18: 06
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    And what countries do you see in the new USSR?


    First of all, Israel, and then on the list of the former Russian Empire, including Alaska. I was satisfied with your curiosity, Mr. Descendant of Moses.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 29 2014 18: 23
      +1
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      Israel first

      forget laughing
      I understand that I immediately want a bright future. Alaska, maybe Liechtenstein is better right away?
      We need to work --- and everything will work out. Neither the USSR nor Alaska will be needed - life in Russia will be good.
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    3. atalef
      atalef April 29 2014 19: 29
      0
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      I have satisfied your curiosity, Mr. Descendant of Moses.

      Speaking of birds. I (unfortunately not a descendant of Moses) because he was not the very first Jew.
      Although you know one of his (Moses) descendants very well
      Not until Easter. in honor of his resurrection, he painted eggs, well, and prayed for him - I think
      because that Moses, that Jesus were the descendants of David, and therefore blood relatives laughing
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 April 29 2014 19: 50
        -1
        Are you crazy ?! What does Moses have to do with this ???? Jesus is the son of God! wink All you ascribe to the Jews themselves laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef April 29 2014 22: 43
          +1
          Quote: Patton5
          Are you crazy ?! What does Moses have to do with this ???? Jesus is the son of God! wink All you ascribe to the Jews themselves laughing

          Are you all right? Didn’t he have a mom?
          1. Patton5
            Patton5 April 30 2014 01: 28
            -1
            The Church clearly teaches that Saint Joseph the Betrothed came from the royal family of David. The Blessed Virgin Mary came from the priestly family of Aaron according to the flesh (after the father of St. Joachim), and from the royal family of David, who was not a blood Jew, but came from the Slavs (the book of Ruth, consonant with Russia). Therefore, they assigned to the Virgin Mary the 80-year-old betrothed Joseph by kinship through King David. For this reason, the Blessed Virgin and St. Joseph went to Bethlehem (the home of David) for the census.
            So the holy Orthodox church teaches ... everything else is heresy
  • Signaller
    Signaller April 29 2014 18: 19
    0
    Correctly. Not to the Soviet Union, but to the Russian Empire. In which we lived more than one hundred years by the way. This is the paradox. All the outskirts of the Russian empire again want to enter it. Well, I think, you need to help people decide and make the right choice. Well, albeit with polite people, even without them. Hunger is not aunt-hunger uncle-will make you come running.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 29 2014 18: 43
      0
      Quote: Signaller
      Correctly. Not to the Soviet Union, but to the Russian Empire

      well, an empire, at least, implies an emperor. Could you have prepared this post for Lukashenko?
  • Ross
    Ross April 29 2014 18: 23
    +1
    Quote: vadimalehin76
    I agree, my Union. People who are divided into countries must be brought together in a new state. It will be better for everyone. And brains abroad will cease to flow away. There will be room for them.

    Only when Russia gathers land and power again can it become a global geopolitical player, as opposed to the United States. Europe is a colony of the USA, as are Canada and Australia. More precisely, they have a type of New Atlantis. Headquarters in London. Now Rothschild has moved to Hong Kong, flirting with China. But China will always be on its own. Therefore, Russia needs to rely only on itself and return to its roots. Because we need all the countries of the former USSR, we need to gain independence from the West. And the most important thing is to present to the world a new Philanthropic ideology, so that for all countries of the world there is an 2 path. Western consumer civilization is at an impasse.
  • navigator1997
    navigator1997 April 29 2014 18: 34
    -1
    Not the USSR with Lenin’s time bomb - the right of the republics to self-determination up to secession, but the Russian Federation (well, or the Empire - as you like). With state (public) ownership of natural resources and land and fixed assets. But what about the form of government? The current, what is ours, that Western democracy is the essence of the oligarchy. Power of the Soviets? So no one really tried even under the Soviet regime. VKP (b), and then the CPSU crushed everything for themselves. Given our size and tendency to sloppiness and theft, the autocratic monarchy seems most preferable to me. But where to get a sane, responsible and not thieving king? The Varangians all ended about 1000 years ago.
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    2. Patton5
      Patton5 April 29 2014 18: 55
      0
      yes yes Call a doctor yes !?
  • A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 29 2014 19: 08
    +1
    Quote: Sour
    My grandfather, the komunyaki from the owner, was made a collective farmer, that is, a farm laborer on state land, under the supervision of a komunyak.
    In 1945, he died storming the Seelow Heights. I am sure that it was hard for him. On the one hand, he fought for Russia, for his homeland. On the other hand, he fought for the communist system, which he probably hated.
    My father came alive from the war, he and many other relatives heard a lot from him about those times.


    Yes, my friends, I haven’t met so much open malice on the site, now the ready-made one sang along with Novodvorskaya, who is also obsessed with commies. Your grandfather fought and died, his eternal memory is not for the commie, as you say, he died for his homeland, for your future bastard. You and your relatives can’t forget how rich you were before the collective farms, but they took everything away from you and forced you to work on the collective farm, you did it right, there’s nothing to exploit the laborers. they drove out into the street in the winter, okay, they haven’t shot yet. In order not to be exiled, they fled from the village, with a baby in their arms, it was my older sister, I don’t know how to get to the construction site in Magnitogorsk. Your grandfather died defending his homeland, five of me didn’t come back. Blaming the Communists for all the troubles is stupid and not ethical, bad, good, but they wanted good people, regardless of the fact that there were a lot of parasites and empty-breasted sucked to power. In your place, I would turn green from anger for what the Soviet government did to my family, and on the contrary, I am grateful to her, the brightest memories I have are associated with those years.
    1. Lyubteh
      Lyubteh April 29 2014 20: 38
      +1
      My maternal ancestors also had fists and dispossessed them, but there is some resentment of annoyance. But I grew up in a union where there was at least some visible equality of rights. Well, according to my relatives, the advice went well, neither the relatives of the rich were left any connections. And that means almost no opportunity to rise. Someone will say my friend and you have bourgeois habits. And it will be wrong for I work at a defense plant and forge my country's shield. But there is not enough money for this, I have to work two jobs, that is, also at night, and this is with two children. And I want to have 9 or even 16 children as it was with my ancestors. Yes, just try to feed so much on the wages of the machinist anyway, it is like producing poverty, and yet they still have to live somewhere and give education. To the lagodar that they listened.
  • A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 29 2014 19: 26
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    We need to work --- and everything will work out. Neither the USSR nor Alaska will be needed - life in Russia will be good.


    An interesting conversation turns out, and you dare the deserter to tell me about work, why are you eating .... I’m in the promised country, I didn’t live in Russia, I went for a better life, for a long shekel, so live and don’t go to us, without yours We’ll get around the instructions, a worker. In Russia, life will be good when different shit-bucks like you and their instructions on how to live stop talking to us. Yes, and not everyone is destined to be as smart as the Jews, it’s not for nothing that Moses dragged you through the desert for forty years, for a long time but he drove into your head how to deceive people.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 29 2014 19: 35
      +1
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      It’s an interesting conversation, and you dare the deserter to talk to me about work

      Have you served in the Army? i am yes
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      why do you eat .... I’m in the promised country, I didn’t live in Russia, I went for a better life

      To Israel, for a better life-- smiled
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      after a long shekel, so live and don’t go to us, we’ll do without your instructions, worker

      Yes, and not bad enough. We need to work - I know what I'm talking about
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      In Russia, life will be good when different crap like you with their instructions on how to live cease to climb to us

      It will be better to live in Russia. when they begin to work as expected.
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      and not everyone is destined to be as smart as Jews,

      Well, I would be in Israel. got it. not all Jews are smart
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      it was not for nothing that Moses dragged you through the desert for forty years, for a long time he drove into your head how to deceive people.

      Maybe someone would bother you. so at least they would have reached the medicine of our level. I'm not talking about the rest.
  • Lyubteh
    Lyubteh April 29 2014 19: 41
    0
    And I am for the POWER and the sovereign system, and who are particularly interested in what it is, I advise you to read a book that is called POWER.
  • Lyubteh
    Lyubteh April 29 2014 19: 49
    0
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Sour
    You yourself are kr-etin, red-faced.
    It was you who ruined Russia. Both in 1917 and in 1991.


    In the 17th, not everything is so simple, but in the 91st, it was the Communists who fell apart and fell into the abyss!

    And it was not in 1991 that the country was destroyed by the ossification of the old man's conservatism, multiplied by the amateurish not professionalism of the bald man. And as one very respected person said, his surname is that and no matter what he does, he will get Gorbato.
  • A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 29 2014 20: 01
    0
    Quote: atalef
    It will be better to live in Russia. when they begin to work as expected.
    What are you smart in Israel and walk in order.
  • Kulneff2009
    Kulneff2009 April 29 2014 20: 15
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    Quote: Алексей_К
    Quote: Validator
    The Eurasian Union is the right thing.

    And where is the Eurasian Union? With China or what? By the way, the Russian Federation itself is a Eurasian republic. We are talking about the unification of Russia, Crimea, Belarus, Transnistria, Ossetia, Abkhazia and in the future of Southeast Ukraine into a single state. By the way, you can give it the name of the Soviet Socialist Republic - the Union of Free Republics.

    I do not agree a bit. But essentially true !!!! The main thing is to distribute the economic component. Otherwise, Russia will again feed the subsidized components of the union !!!!!!