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Leonid Ivashov: South-East. It is important not to force events

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The retired colonel-general Leonid Ivashov, President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, is one of the leading military analysts in Russia, and at the moment, in connection with the situation in Ukraine, is one of the most popular ... This country (then the Soviet republic) studied with of youth - it was possible to serve in Transcarpathia in due time ... As for the Crimea, then that the peninsula will return to Russia, General Ivashov spoke even more 10 years ago, when both Russia itself and its foreign policy were completely different. And the newest history Ivashov entered 1999, during the American aggression in Yugoslavia. At the time, Colonel-General Ivashov, head of the Directorate-General for International Cooperation of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, was the initiator of the legendary Pristinsky Throw of Russian paratroopers. With Stavropol Leonid Grigorievich have strong friendships - for example, with the Stavropol Cossack army ... Therefore, the first question I asked the expert was, as it were, a continuation of the conversation with the ataman SLE that in troubled times Ukraine is undergoing cooperation between the Cossacks living on different sides of the state border, not only does not collapse, but, on the contrary, is growing stronger.

- And how important is such a human moral, or, as they say, humanitarian support (at the level of relations of ordinary people with ordinary people), when Ukraine is at the epicenter of geopolitical processes?

“Very important,” says the expert. - The big mistake of Russia was that we were concentrated in relations with Ukraine in economic and military-political aspects. At the same time, we missed the most important component - the cultural and civilizational space (science, education, culture, art, and much more). As a result, got what we have today. Our market economy is a competitive environment, which is constantly sharpening contradictions. And at whatever price we sell gas, it always causes and will cause a certain amount of wariness. The second point to which I would like to pay attention. We constantly claim that all Ukraine is our brothers ... Plus, depending on the position of Ukraine, we have long been building the information process in the post-Soviet space. I was a participant in many meetings at the level of heads of state and heads of government, Council of Ministers of CIS countries. And at all these meetings, Ukraine appeared as an ardent oppositionist of Russia, trying to slow down any integration processes. For example, Nazarbayev’s very strong integration project was rejected due to the fact that he was not supported by the Ukrainian leadership ... Why did this happen? ... The fact is that we have a split of the cultural and civilizational space in Ukraine itself.

- Well, now it is obvious to everyone.

- Ukraine, in principle, is not united. And when we say: "fraternal culture", we must understand that this is not quite so. Yes, of course, a part of the population is close to Russia and the territories that we gave Ukraine to different centuries in order for Ukraine to be loyal to us. Here, indeed, the Russian spirit, and Russian roots, and the Russian mentality.

But the majority of Central Ukraine is inhabited by Ukrainians, who do not consider themselves Russians. Not to mention the western, formed on the surrogate of different cultures. Civilization is not Europe, not Russia, and in fact not even Ukraine. They are always looking for a patron. It was used from outside at different times, and is currently used by the same Americans. Ukrainians seem to be beckoning to Europe, and at the same time they put conditions: in order for us to take you, you must confront Russia. And this is not only today's reality, it has been so for centuries. Since the time of Bohdan Khmelnitsky, when the hetman Vigovskoy began to conclude alliances against Russia (the so-called Uncle Union), and then Mazepa, Petlyura, Bandera ... permanently appeared there.

- In the 20-s of February, during the period of an avalanche-like and dramatic development of events on the Maidan, you strongly condemned Russia's long-term political inaction. And the annexation of the Crimea was called a brilliant geopolitical operation. Before asking the next question, I will quote an excerpt from your interview: “We wait, then silently retreat. We need to reach the Volga, and only then turn around and go to Berlin. This is a century-old tradition - remember the campaign of Napoleon. In Russia, from time immemorial, they believe in honesty, sincerity. We appeal to international law, international agreements, the UN Charter. And our overseas partners spit on them. We need to end with illusions. It's a shame that we lost time by believing in the agreements reached. This did not allow us to stop the difficult development of the situation in Ukraine on distant approaches ”... Now the question is - how do you assess the fact of the quadripartite talks in Geneva and the Agreement directly between Russia, Ukraine, the United States and the European Union? Is there any hope that someone will do this?

- In the document signed on Thursday I don’t like much. But as a military diplomat, I know that agreements on such complex issues are possible only on the basis of compromises: we have given up something, the Americans have conceded something, the European Union agreed to something ... It is important that this compromise is forced, it is not dictated good intentions of our foreign "partners", and the fact that the situation began to develop not according to the scenario that they laid. The Crimea returned to Russia, and the situation in Donetsk, Lugansk and other regions demonstrates a real possibility that the Southeast will either leave Ukraine or acquire a high degree of autonomy. Attempts to suppress protest by military force are doomed, and a civil war in Ukraine can be beneficial only to the local oligarchy and the Americans. European countries, like us, do not need any war at their own borders. That is, the solidarity of Europe and Russia played a certain role in the signing of this agreement on some issues ... It is hard to say whether or not the Geneva agreements will be implemented. Most likely, selectively. They are perceived by the parties in different ways. For example, the current Kiev elite considers the clause on the “release of captured buildings and institutions” solely as a requirement for the South-East. At the same time, if you take a closer look at the document, you must first release the government offices and buildings, and the ministerial chairs, as illegally seized. The same is true with the disarmament of illegal armed formations ... In addition, this document is advisory in nature. The OSCE and PACE (an absolutely Russophobic organization) will “observe” the implementation of the agreements. So everything will be submitted against Russia. What is already happening. They recognized that the ban on Russian citizens (men up to 60 years) from entering Ukraine is legitimate, although this is unprecedented stupidity.

“Still, South-East of Ukraine is waiting for help from us.” And the question arises: what do we do in this situation? After all, Southeast is not the Crimea, where our fleet is based, and accordingly forces and means are provided to protect it, where there is a very special mentality ... It is clear that residents of Donetsk, Lugansk, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk do not want to live according to the laws that came to power fascist junta. But then there are only solid questions: do they want to stay in Ukraine or do not want to, or, like the example of the Crimea, do they want to go to Russia? Is it still possible to introduce our troops to Ukraine? Or NATO? .. The agreement that opens up the possibility of NATO, because there is ...

- Yes, Ukraine has an agreement on the possibility of providing its territory under NATO. It was concluded in the spring of 2004. Ukraine has no such agreement with Russia. So the likelihood that NATO troops will enter there exists ... Now, about the prospect of entering our troops ... Both Russian President Putin and Foreign Minister Lavrov have repeatedly stated that we have no desire to enter there. Yes, most likely, we pulled up some parts of the border forces, some parts brought on high alert. This is always done when tensions arise in a neighboring state. This is a classic. But now it’s really unprofitable for us to send troops to Ukraine, either for military or political reasons or for economic reasons. And the question is who will invite us there. So no need to do this, unless, of course, the fascist power in Kiev does not dare to massive bloodshed. In this case, we will be forced to intervene. But in order to prevent this, it is necessary to negotiate with the CIS on the formation of peacekeeping forces. And we also need to think about the formation of international courts - within the framework of the BRICS group or the same CIS, of which Ukraine is still a member. For some reason, we believe that the international community is only the United States and Europe (and in fact only the United States). The legal field for some reason set the Americans. But now a new world is being formed, which is going to the East ... Now about that: do the citizens of the South-East want or do not want to enter Russia? There is an extremely ambiguous situation even in a single Donetsk region. There are towns that would vote for it even tomorrow, others just want more independence and autonomy. In Kharkov and other large cities it is still more ambiguous. So no need to force events. And it's not only in the South-East of Ukraine, but also in ourselves - whether we have enough economic and financial potential. You see how problematic everything is now in the banking sector in the Crimea. There are other problems ... The fact that we now support the federalization of Ukraine, the autonomy of the Southeast, is the best solution at the moment.
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  1. mig31
    mig31 April 23 2014 06: 33
    +10
    Hurry up slowly, a very wise man, I completely agree ...
    1. Corsair
      Corsair April 23 2014 07: 17
      +3
      Quote: mig31
      Hurry up slowly, a very wise man, I completely agree ...
      We will slowly go down and .........
      1. Hudo
        Hudo April 23 2014 08: 16
        0
        Quote: Corsair
        We will slowly go down and .........

        Where to go down? Read between the lines. No one will go down anywhere. And Russia will not force events, seeks to make Kolobrod for the chaos of SE as long as possible.
        I will explain: Remember the deadlines for the completion of rearmament programs in the field of armored personnel carriers, aviation (including strategic), and the navy. What are the terms there? 2017, 2025 onwards. Add to these terms the time necessary to produce a sufficient number of samples and mastering them in the troops.
        Will the Russian Federation have time to rearm the armed forces before it lies with the bones of the southeast so-called Ukraine? The question is open.
        Here is the reason for the fact that even here on the military-patriotic site the chants of the slogan: "Russians do not abandon their own" (massively flooded in the comments a month ago) have calmed down - apparently they understand that the question is what sign to put at the end of this slogan "!" or "?" is very sharp and very controversial.

        P.S. I have outlined my point of view. In the end, we are not at a party meeting where opinions are united and reigns full of approval.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair April 23 2014 08: 28
          +2
          Quote: Hudo
          Read between the lines. No one will go down anywhere. And Russia will not force events, seeks to make Kolobrod for the chaos of SE as long as possible.

          It's not even about "approvals" or differences of opinion, but about how STABLE Ukraine will be in its DESTABILIZATION, forgive me for the tautalogy ...
          Riots that, no matter how we separate ourselves from Ukraine by borders, will have to be reckoned with anyway, because they carry the likelihood of major troubles in the field of economics (energy supplies), migration (refugees), possibly
          Provisions ...
          1. Hudo
            Hudo April 23 2014 08: 39
            +3
            Quote: Corsair
            It's not even about "approvals" or differences of opinion, but about how STABLE Ukraine will be in its DESTABILIZATION, forgive me for the tautalogy.

            Hm. Yes, as far as the people stop cutting each other, it’s so stable. And the weapon will appear one way or another - you recall that not a single conflict has died out from a lack of weapons and ammunition, even the liberation tigers on Sri Lanka on the ISLAND (!!!) did not suffer from a special lack of interruptions.
            Quote: Corsair
            Riots that, no matter how we separate ourselves from Ukraine by borders, will still have to be considered

            Here the Russian Federation has almost decided - riots or amerovsky missile defense.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair April 23 2014 09: 24
              +3
              Quote: Hudo
              Here the Russian Federation has almost decided - riots or amerovsky missile defense.

              Horseradish is radish and not sweeter. For Russia, amerskoe missile defense is a threat, so to speak, "instantaneous", and unstable Ukraine is "extended" in time ...
              Moreover, the civil war in Ukraine, which is already underway in a "sluggish version", can attract NATO with the smell of blood, with all that it implies.
              And we will have to have a ready answer to this.
              In any case, Russia was drawn into what is happening, and will have to act in accordance with the situation, and it is unpredictable (at least for me, based on an analysis of the available data request ...).
              1. Hudo
                Hudo April 23 2014 09: 44
                +1
                Quote: Corsair
                Horseradish is radish and not sweeter. For Russia, amerskoe missile defense is a threat, so to speak, "instantaneous", and unstable Ukraine is "extended" in time ...

                But the choice is practically made. And this is the choice of draining SE into chaos.
                Quote: Corsair
                Moreover, the civil war in Ukraine, which is already underway in a "sluggish version", can attract NATO with the smell of blood, with all that it implies.

                So already NATO began the transfer and the creation of strike air groups near the new theater. The emergence of contingents of the Young Europeans is a matter of the very near future.
                Quote: Corsair
                In any case, Russia was drawn into what is happening, and will have to act according to the situation

                Yes, you can read the actions of the Russian Federation in "The Age of the Stillborn", also to me the secret of Punchinel. It seems to be like help with but with a delay of two steps from what is really needed, it actually is already so.
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair April 23 2014 12: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: Hudo
                  Yes, you can read the actions of the Russian Federation in "The Age of the Stillborn

                  Yes, depart in the analysis of the situation and in the forecasts of possible actions of Russia from literary cliches ...

                  Have you recently seen that the leadership of the Russian Federation acted predictably and stereotyped?

                  Something, but foreign policy, in modern terms, unas is "creative" ...
                  1. Hudo
                    Hudo April 23 2014 13: 10
                    +2
                    Quote: Corsair
                    Yes, depart in the analysis of the situation and in the forecasts of possible actions of Russia from literary cliches ...

                    How? If it’s not just a line in a line, but a letter in a letter!
                    Quote: Corsair
                    Have you recently seen that the leadership of the Russian Federation acted predictably and stereotyped?

                    And what's the point if the output is reset to zero?

                    You finally understand, the West will not leave Russia alone until it is finished. Even if Pu withdraws all the troops beyond the Urals, removes all missiles from the database, personally spins naked Barynyu on Red Square and then leads a gay pride parade, it will not be enough for the West.
                    So finally wake up, do not lag behind events. There are people who are outside the borders of the Russian Federation ready to fight with weapons in their hands, including for your interests - use the moment!
                    1. Corsair
                      Corsair April 23 2014 13: 45
                      +1
                      Quote: Hudo
                      So finally wake up, do not lag behind events. There are people who are outside the borders of the Russian Federation ready to fight with weapons in their hands, including for your interests - use the moment!

                      And after all, you have not yet entered Kiev .. Or is your "interest" limited only to the premises of the SBU of Luhansk and the area around it?
                      And not so recently "some who" "complained" that they say they do not give weapons, they do not plan active actions ...
                      Do not tell WHO wrote about this?
                      I come from Donbass (Shakhtyorsk. Don.obl.) And could have come, but who, with what and most importantly, for what are they waiting for me? Moreover, the last attempt to enter Ukraine was unsuccessful ...

                      "Not entry-level" to Ukraine now we ...

                      And the illegal paths are still unknown to me.

                      THAT IF IF YOU TAKE THE BORDER UNDER CONTROL ....
        2. COLUN
          COLUN April 23 2014 09: 06
          0
          Quote: Hudo
          Where to go down? Read between the lines. No one will go down anywhere. And Russia will not force events, seeks to make Kolobrod for the chaos of SE as long as possible.


          I think this will be the right decision.
          In the Southeast, not everyone is still ripe, well, they don’t have unity; they are not yet ripe!
          On our part, there will be only diplomatic support (officially), and something more substantial (not official).
          The Southeast must mature on its own!

          PS Unfortunately, it certainly will not do without blood ...
          1. Hudo
            Hudo April 23 2014 09: 19
            +4
            Quote: COLUN
            In the Southeast, not everyone is still ripe, well, they don’t have unity; they are not yet ripe!

            From Luhansk. Yes, ripe, ripe. And for a long time already. But not everyone wants to play dumb politeness. You cannot tell you how many reserve officers who had combat experience who served in decent troops came to you - and all they were asked was to pretend to be polite peaceful demonstrators, with such predatory faces. We swore, exchanged phone numbers and parted so as not to shine - more from the pre-trial detention center to the war 100% will not get. And believe me, those who played inappropriate politeness by blowing a whistle of protest steam, those who posed for the cameras with a belligerent look without doing anything in reality, when those who are actually ready to take up arms stand up, they will be lifted up on the balconies of houses behind their "merits".
            Quote: COLUN
            On our part, there will be only diplomatic support (officially), and something more substantial (not official).

            A scenario from the "Era of the Stillborn" is playing out - I tell you this as a resident of Lugansk, where the events described there take place. The RF will pull to the last with real help, then it will provide it from under the floor with a delay ... Well, you know the result. In the meantime, support is limited to empty diplomatic trololo.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair April 23 2014 09: 27
              0
              Quote: Hudo
              The Russian Federation will pull to the last with real help, then it will provide it from under the floor with a delay ...

              What help is needed right now? What level of support will suit you?
              1. Hudo
                Hudo April 23 2014 09: 54
                +3
                Quote: Corsair
                What help is needed right now? What level of support will suit you?

                Personally, I would prefer the following course of events. After the referendum of May 11, the creation of a state in the image and likeness of the Far Eastern Democratic Republic in the Far East in 1020-21, and the immediate creation of the Southeast Armed Forces, it would be advisable to organize the rear support of the created Southeast Sun in full. In this case, there is a chance to extinguish the fire ignited by the West without the direct participation of the Russian Federation, otherwise Russia will extinguish the fire itself, but without the SE (it will fall) loyal to it and on its own territory.
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair April 23 2014 11: 19
                  +2
                  Quote: Hudo
                  otherwise, Russia will extinguish this fire itself, but without SE (it will fall) loyal to it and on its own territory.

                  That's why I wrote: "We will slowly descend ...."
                  If at this stage there is no need (possibility) of DIRECT "involvement" of Russia in the conflict, then its development, ADVERSE for us, will change a lot.
                  Then it will not be up to sentiment ... Believe me!
            2. Simonov
              Simonov April 25 2014 20: 03
              +1
              Now a competent chess game is being played, not a game of checkers-chapaevtsy. Not dawn in Geneva, the ambassador of Urkaini sat quietly on a sofa in the corridor while Lavrov and Keriya were negotiating. The presidential "elections" in May will clearly show the stalemate of the current situation. The best resolution of which would be the signing of agreements such as Belovezhskaya on the Confederate Union of regions. The current Kiev politicians will gladly wave a piece of paper, tk. the agreement will guarantee them the inviolability of their seats. "Better a tit in the hands than a woodpecker in the well ..." The main question is which flags which area will hang out. No one is going to sow in the fields, all the men were herded to the military registration and enlistment offices, all the trucks (up to the old GAZ-53) were requisitioned from the collective farms and they were obliged to repair faulty army equipment.
              Let's see what the situation will be by August.
        3. avt
          avt April 23 2014 09: 25
          +2
          Quote: Hudo
          Where to go down? Read between the lines. No one will go down anywhere.

          Yes, do not read anything from the general between the lines! After all, he woke up after hibernation and sat out in his geo-academy and plucked out a bunch of commonplace. negative Yes, all of this has long been discussed on TV! What is so clever, cunning, promising given by the "mighty old man"? This is what everyone and all and sundry have been talking about since March, after the annexation of Crimea? VVP at the press conference, before that it was more and more about "everything betrayed and lost" broadcast. Well, just remember or refresh in the archive of the site. In general, how was Hasek's one general giving the command - "Cook goulash and march to Sokal" and the whole analysis
      2. wulf66
        wulf66 April 23 2014 09: 48
        +1
        I agree! It is slow. If you recall the referendum of 1991, when 90 percent of the population of Ukraine voted for the square ... I think they SHOULD completely finish this non-slavery spoon. But we really NOW have nothing to do there, let them first do something THIS.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo April 23 2014 10: 02
          +3
          Quote: wulf66
          90 percent of the population of Ukraine voted for the square

          Oh well, FIG! Which of the State Department tsifiri sent-such and issued to the mountain during the alleged counting. Of course there were no dolbs, but there can be no talk of any 90%.
          EXAMPLE: A relative of me personally studied in one of the higher educational institutions in western Ukraine - the cadets were frankly unaware of how 85% came out for the school, if in personal communication everyone said that they voted against nezalezhnost (and then no one was ashamed to hide their views), how the soldiers voted in the military unit - it is very simple - without the commanders under the leadership of the arrived galician masters who were directly in the booths and indicated where to put a "tick".
          So we will not poison fairy tales.
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  2. Igor39
    Igor39 April 23 2014 06: 33
    +5
    Tensions in the regions of Ukraine will increase as social and economic problems of the population increase.
    1. Owl
      Owl April 23 2014 07: 50
      +2
      The spilled blood intensifies the situation even more. The militants of the "Right Sector" do not have full control from Kiev and from the American CIA (a collective image of the US intelligence services), and therefore there will always be a group of pravosek initiators who independently, without the knowledge of the "senior comrades", will try to carry out an action of revenge and intimidation that will lead to victims among the civilian local population and to losses both among the militias and among the Pravoseks. The blood of loved ones, the blood of comrades calls for revenge, that is, for an escalation of the conflict and for its intensification. Already, there is almost no way to peace, and a little more and the question of the integrity of Ukraine (even after federalization) will be simply irrelevant.
  3. mamont5
    mamont5 April 23 2014 06: 37
    +5
    Ivashov is a professional. He appreciated everything and said everything correctly. I completely agree with him. There’s nothing to add.
    Here is the information for consideration:
    “The strategy of containing Russia can become suicidal for the United States.
    The United States is formulating an updated concept of policy towards Russia. According to media reports, this will be a new version of the containment strategy that Washington followed during the Cold War. Even in the last century, this strategy failed to stop Russia, and now it can only accelerate the isolation of the US itself. "
    http://interpolit.ru/blog/strategija_sderzhivanija_rossii_mozhet_stat_dlja_ssha_
    samoubijstvennoj / 2014-04-21-1121
  4. Name
    Name April 23 2014 06: 49
    +6
    Greetings to all! Not being "leading analyst" probably for the first time, but I agree with Ivashov regarding the fact that: ... to send troops to Ukraine is really unprofitable for us now ... hi
  5. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 23 2014 06: 53
    +3
    For some reason, we believe that the international community is only the United States and Europe (and, in fact, only the United States). For some reason, the Americans establish the legal field
    They think so, and Russia was the only one to say to the whole world that this is not so.
  6. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 23 2014 07: 03
    +6
    Ivashov is an excellent analyst and a wonderful person! He speaks correctly of the Americans, they are used to consider themselves masters of the Earth, but have recently begun to receive more and more snot. Of course, they stopped liking them and they sent all the chain dogs to Russia, they thought that Russia, as it used to, would ask for mercy but in response they got such a pill that they don’t understand what to do with Russia. The stick turns out to be of two ends, and they didn’t know that they wouldn’t use against the Russians, they belch so beloved that their mother doesn’t cry yes .. situevina.
  7. Magadan
    Magadan April 23 2014 07: 18
    +10
    The best thing we can do now is to undermine the faith of Westerners with our mainstream media. CNN, BBC and other offices should be completely discredited.
    Then it is necessary to separate the western people from the western elite. Form the image of a bankster + puppet rulers against their own people. There is a lot of evidence. We need powerful capacious phrase-cliches that characterize their media and their puppet-guides.
    To do this, let's try ourselves more often to say not "damned Europeans", but "intoxicated", "gayro-integrated", etc. In any case, someone can come up with something funny, and then it will be funny translated into English and launched on their Internet. But we need words that do not offend all residents in a row, but that show their foolishness, that they lie to them, use them, etc.
    1. koshh
      koshh April 23 2014 07: 52
      +3
      I agree. Everything is correct. It is necessary to clearly distinguish between the population of these countries and their rulers. Show and prove to the people of these countries where they are led and how it can end.
    2. Horly
      Horly April 23 2014 08: 26
      +2
      This is all very correct, only one thing ... But it takes a lot of time, which is not there now. But you need to start an anti-company campaign in any way - as they say, a holy place does not happen empty! Not us, so others will immediately occupy him - what is happening now.
  8. saag
    saag April 23 2014 07: 21
    +4
    the uncle in the subject, there is fragmentation, the southeast wants everything and everything, therefore it will not achieve anything, federalization provides for an agreement, Kiev is in no hurry to negotiate, there will be no mass bloodshed, so as not to give rise to Russia to send troops, in general, neither peace nor war, uncertainty...
  9. Vladimir 70
    Vladimir 70 April 23 2014 07: 23
    +5
    The "new government" cannot harshly suppress the South-East, and cannot not suppress it.
    1. andj61
      andj61 April 23 2014 07: 58
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir 70
      The "new government" cannot harshly suppress the South-East, and cannot not suppress it.

      I agree, there is a progressive political impotence.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair April 23 2014 08: 47
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir 70
      The "new government" cannot harshly suppress the South-East, and cannot not suppress it.

      A typical stalemate combination, from which the player really "moves the pieces", and does not play the role of a statistician tandem "Junta - West" at this stage, can come out only by spitting on the rules and eliminating the "inconvenient" pieces, or even a whole series ...
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 23 2014 12: 20
        +2
        Quote: Corsair
        Typical stalemate combination

        I agree that they cannot seriously twitch (we will intervene), and they cannot rule or compromise. And time plays against them, because other regions of Ukraine, seeing the inability of the authorities to resolve the situation, will go the same way as the South-East. But! The Americans are not as stupid as they are portrayed, and while supporting the junta, they cannot but predict this development. Overseas "friends" are cunning. The spring is spinning tighter and tighter, and I am at a loss as to how it will shoot. request
        1. Corsair
          Corsair April 23 2014 12: 35
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The Americans are not as stupid as they are portrayed, and while supporting the junta, they cannot but predict this development. Overseas "friends" are cunning.

          That's why pike (USA) in the lake, so that crucian carp (Ukraine) would not doze off ...

          And everything largely depends on what kind of tackle (for "pike" or "crucian") the fisherman (Russia) will come out ...
  10. Bort radist
    Bort radist April 23 2014 07: 28
    +7
    Quote: name
    I agree with Ivashov regarding the fact that: ... it is really unprofitable for us to send troops to Ukraine ...

    It is unprofitable for Russia to leave the processes going on in Kiev without control in double it is read between the lines. We are not introducing troops, but special operations are simply necessary.
  11. sv68
    sv68 April 23 2014 07: 28
    +5
    Of course, Ivashov is in many ways right, but the main thing now is simply not to give NATO before we find ourselves in ukroin-if NATO gets into it, then the open phase of the civil war is irreplaceable
  12. Pitman
    Pitman April 23 2014 07: 33
    +4
    Absolutely correct!!! Haste is needed when catching fleas .... There is no reason, so it is not necessary to introduce anyone yet. The people themselves must decide "with whom, when and where" Russia has its own scenario.
  13. andj61
    andj61 April 23 2014 07: 56
    +3
    Of course, it is much better to help the organized power of the Southeast, and not to send troops there. However, let's face it - Russia overslept the situation in Ukraine. Where are our agents of influence, where is public opinion prepared with the help of NGOs, where, finally, are strong and influential pro-Russian political and public organizations, united by a common goal?
    Now we have to act as a fire brigade, and it is not a fact that Putin will be able to avoid using the most extreme means. At the same time, it will no longer be up to reasoning like "profitable - not profitable", but the only imperative will appear on the agenda - "NECESSARY".
  14. koshh
    koshh April 23 2014 08: 04
    +1
    I agree with the author. Now we must launch a powerful information attack to explain to the people of the southeast all the possible options for the further development of their region. Only by bringing truthful information to almost every inhabitant of these regions, one can hope that they will think and make the right choice. Only then will we be able to officially help, provide military and economic support. And now you cannot go to the southeast. They still have not decided, they themselves do not know what they want. And in fact, most are just waiting for what will happen. My "hatascariness" is too strong.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo April 23 2014 08: 26
      +1
      Quote: koshh
      Now we must launch a powerful information attack to explain to the people of the southeast all possible options for the further development of their region

      From Lugansk. What interesting way ???? Why didn’t they deploy (after 08.08.08), when in fact it was clear where it would explode next time?
      Yes, actually, in relation to the Donbass, you can not bother with info.ataki. long overwhelming majority (% 90 already decided that without a junta)
  15. Zelen
    Zelen April 23 2014 08: 05
    +1
    Good article, recently a rarity.
  16. blizart
    blizart April 23 2014 08: 09
    +4
    “We wait, then silently retreat. We need to get to the Volga, and only then turn around and go to Berlin. This is a centuries-old tradition - recall Napoleon’s campaign. From time immemorial, people in Russia believe in honesty and sincerity.

    Let me illustrate with an everyday example. Serves in the army of Kazakhstan Vitalka Kosyakov, two years of the Ryazan School, my hand is like a shovel, eyes, like most Russians, are kind. At first, the Kazakhs constantly bully him, provoke it in them, not like the Russians (minor mental differences), i.e. you can "shove", scandalize as if as a joke. Vitalik does not understand how such things can be done as a joke ?! Therefore, he is silent, denies for the Kazakhs, which means he retreats. If the enemy is retreating, then we are advancing! And so Vitalik retreated "to the Volga". Well then what? Then a couple of slaps in the ears of the most zealous and all friendship bhai, bhai. But the most important thing is that Vitalik is then uncomfortable (this is so in Russian) for incontinence (as if they didn’t "finish off" him for months), for his unmeasured strength and he does not take any action to consolidate his winnings, therefore, after a while, he receives a new round "arms race" with other actors
  17. tokin1959
    tokin1959 April 23 2014 08: 58
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    situation - it is impossible to execute mercy.
    where to put a comma?
    joining of the South-East of Ukraine to Russia can bring down our economy.
    in the international arena - almost complete isolation, until the leadership in America is replaced by a more adequate one.
    Niger - the president - is weak and narrow-minded, he himself does not know what he specifically wants, fomenting a confrontation with Russia, this is not Libya, but it does not reach his dumb head.
    Federalization - specifically, what it will be, no one knows if the common Ministry of Internal Affairs and the army remain - so the Bandera will slowly take all one top.
  18. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx April 23 2014 10: 01
    +1
    something tells me that Russia will have to introduce peacekeepers in the near future if we don’t want to get close to a specific war on one side, mercenaries of all bridges, it’s thought that bearded people are not pulled from Syria, but the Russian people and all those who consider themselves to be sad to The Russian world, children and old people feel sorry for the old generation for a difficult fate, so many disappointments are fulfilled to the lot and the collapse of the USSR here is still civil.
  19. ksv500
    ksv500 April 23 2014 16: 57
    +1
    Strong, and most importantly right! Enough to look at all kinds of courts in The Hague and Strasbourg, where anyone you want is found guilty, but not found - they will be killed, like Milosevic. The BRICS countries, and even the CIS, are quite capable of resolving such issues independently. It is a pity in the 2008 year that we did not stop in Tbilisi for Saakashvili, there would have been much less problems if he had been recognized as a war criminal by the decision of the court.
  20. nightingale
    nightingale April 23 2014 19: 21
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    1s The situation in Ukraine was unexpected for the west and for us. Prepared for the election of the president and got out of control. instead of strangling her students began to play with fire blackmailing Moscow. I don’t want people in Europe. While he was knocking out 15 yards from Moscow, the Nazis intervened to try what they had studied for so long, then everyone climbed and climbed and Europe managed to give it away. Yanek here did not pay quickly signed an agreement with guarantees for his beloved. It would all end kilily with our money; Ukraine would enter Europe and then descendants into NATO. and Moscow would quietly bite its elbows. The Moor has done his work. The Moor may die. but the Natsiks did not want to be the Moor, and they chose Janek to this place and began to drive him throughout the southeast, capturing everything and everything along the way. what came as a surprise to all, the elite of the southeast was about to sit out in the Crimea were not against independence if nothing to do, the natsyks could leave us without a fleet. Moscow decided to take advantage of the situation to declare Crimea independent and to avoid attacks on the fleet. In Crimea, it was quickly calculated that they would not be able to live in Kiev if the water supply and the power supply were cut off, the peninsula would turn from a self-sufficient into a deserted desert. and the drowning of gold is dumb. they raised a question either by full accession to Russia or by saying nothing.