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Whirlpool

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Hello to you from the quiet Zaporozhye. Here is a parallel reality. Here is the world (this is when shooting in another place). Here, minor incidents did not shake the established way.


WhirlpoolPeople work, study, steal, fall in love, are treated, born, die. The pipes smoke, the atom splits, the fat is salted. People are waiting for the tsunami to subside, the storm will subside, the troubled time will end. Someone (your humble servant, for example) understands your head off, what the meat grinder is just beginning to unwind, but it has not yet reached the spinal cord, so we sit on the ass exactly ... for now.

Here is the frontier. Here the land is a draw. Here, the influence of both ideological systems forms in their heads a fancy cocktail of slogans, instincts, myths, reality and patterns.

Here Khortytsia is the sacred heart of Eurasia, yeah laughing.

Here, the beginning of Ukraine is the epic Sich, which had all of them in mind, and from which Father Hop led bratus-Cossacks to cut ... no, not pshekov, but lords (you will pick up the modern analog laughing), because then there was no Nazism or nationalism (who likes what term more laughing). Here, the Walk-field, from which Father Makhno led the brothers to cut ... no, not the Germans, but the lords laughing (Hans accidentally fell under the distribution - they, the war veterans, no one explained what kind of meat grinder they climb laughing)

It seems to me that the main abscess is not Kiev-Lviv and Donbass. There are flowers laughing.

Here puswho is still just ripening. And then the father will appear ... and the buttocks will be full of berries.
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  1. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 21 2014 12: 54
    +42
    Hataskity will still bear fruit.
    1. dirty trick
      dirty trick April 21 2014 12: 58
      +7
      Quote: JoylyRoger
      Hataskity will still bear fruit.

      often enough it justifies itself
      [media = http: //myzuka.ru/Song/3160981/Nikola-Emelin-Moya-Hata-S- Edge]
      1. jjj
        jjj April 21 2014 13: 01
        +70
        The hut is usually set on fire first
        1. dmitrich
          dmitrich April 21 2014 13: 22
          +23
          Quote: jjj
          The hut is usually set on fire first

          Yes, and rob the first too.
        2. Duke
          Duke April 21 2014 14: 08
          +6
          My hut from the edge know nothing.
        3. Kassandra
          Kassandra April 21 2014 14: 18
          +6
          and the foreskin - the last, and this is the main thing ...
        4. Igor Gor
          Igor Gor April 21 2014 17: 34
          +2
          Absolutely right (((and they are spread rot, especially since no one goes to such a help (((
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    2. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn April 21 2014 13: 00
      +11
      This is the main quality of Ukrainian, even ancient, even modern.
      1. delfinN
        delfinN April 21 2014 16: 47
        +17
        Crowded bus in Kiev. There is a hohol in wide trousers with a mustache. A 100% Negro sits on the seat opposite and reads the newspaper "Zhovtnevy Prapor" in Ukrainian language.
        his cholera so cautiously asks: And shaw, pan rozuma our mov?
        Negro: But yak.
        crest, after reflection: So maybe the pan crest?
        Negro: But yak.
        holo, after a long thought: And I'm Todi who then?
        Negro: Ta mozhe and mo // al.
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak April 21 2014 19: 06
          +4
          Quote: delfinN
          Negro: Ta mozhe and mo // al.
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      2. polite people
        polite people April 21 2014 23: 38
        +3
        Have ukrov generally fun.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 22 2014 12: 12
          0
          A masterpiece ... The current Ukrainian government is exactly repeating the steps of Nazi Germany ... and why am I not so surprised?
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    3. Arhj
      Arhj April 21 2014 13: 02
      +50
      Already given. Recent clashes have shown this. While the majority of the population do not care Bandera blooms in double color. When the cleansing of neukras, lustration, the seizure of property and business begin, then the population will come to their senses, but it will be too late. Although I think calm is only external. Fear is inside.
      1. Naum
        Naum April 21 2014 14: 35
        +5
        It won't be too late, too late. It will simply be more expensive and more difficult to restore the status quo. And bloodier, God forbid ... There will also be elections, and they will vote for "charivna zhinka", or even for Tyagnybok. Then, of course, the hangover will come and the "extreme huts" will flare up. They always turn out to be the worst!
    4. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ April 21 2014 13: 11
      +42
      People are waiting for the tsunami to calm down, the storm to calm down, the troubled time to end. (from article)


      Wait, wait and the scribe will come to all of you in Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson, Nikolaev, wherever indifferent people who do not want to fight for their rights are hiding.
      He will come, in the form of a dirty Maydan man with a mandate of lustration, to you personally for speaking Russian and for not being on the Maidan.
      Wait a long time, because it’s weak to fight with the armed men of Donbass, and you just to show off Bandera’s on you.
      1. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx April 21 2014 19: 44
        +1
        And along with them, production capacities will be decomposed into molecules and atoms. So they will be the expropriation of the means of production ... From themselves. If you want to live and work like people, let them fight!
    5. AVV
      AVV April 21 2014 13: 37
      +14
      Quote: JoylyRoger
      Hataskity will still bear fruit.

      The first appearances are already at Antonov’s factory, and the authorities are impostors who plan to strike at Motorsich !!! This will be a shock for people !!!
      1. Cosmos1987
        Cosmos1987 April 21 2014 13: 44
        +13
        ..and, moreover, they say on the move that Russia is the only customer at the plant. Hunger is not an aunt (Russian proverb)
      2. GRune
        GRune April 21 2014 14: 25
        +2
        That's how they strike, then they move, it will only be too late ...
    6. Alekseev
      Alekseev April 21 2014 13: 57
      +5
      Quote: JoylyRoger
      Hataskity will still bear fruit.

      Required.
      And those who remember that "Here is the Gulyai-field, from which Batko Makhno led his brothers to cut ..." it would not hurt to recall Gen. Slashchev (Krymsky) and the exit of the Makhnovists from Crimea and the retreat of Batko to Romania, in which together with him there were only a few dozen people from the entire rebel "army".
    7. Validator
      Validator April 21 2014 14: 31
      +34
      Nothing, nothing, in Zaporozhye, too, everything will end well laughing
      1. arkady149
        arkady149 April 21 2014 20: 13
        +2
        Hope's eyes shine right
        Europe will send homosexuals to their aid.
        1. Submarine B-41
          Submarine B-41 April 21 2014 22: 03
          +6
          Quote: arkady149
          Hope's eyes shine right
          Europe will send homosexuals to their aid.


          Something like this?

    8. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 April 21 2014 14: 44
      0
      Hataskity will still bear fruit.
      while we will look at it, saying the Cossacks.
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    10. APASUS
      APASUS April 21 2014 19: 55
      +11
      Quote: JoylyRoger
      Hataskity will still bear fruit.

      Here’s just a video on the topic ........... about the hut with the edge
      1. starhina01
        starhina01 April 21 2014 21: 20
        +6
        normally said so: the cry of the soul, they will repeat the sober trials, and well done good
      2. nstarinsky
        nstarinsky April 21 2014 22: 36
        +4
        Rude, but fair ... And from the heart. I want to believe in such Ukraine, but I can’t believe in ultra bleeding bile ...
    11. svp67
      svp67 April 22 2014 12: 10
      0
      Quote: JoylyRoger
      Hataskity will still bear fruit.

      You still do not understand WHAT THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT. And the Veda author is RIGHT ... What is now maturing in the "walk-field", oh, many more will surprise - UNPLEASANT ... And this is not a "whirlpool" it is NARAV
  2. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 21 2014 12: 58
    +4
    I didn’t understand anything, but overall I liked it.
    1. SHILO
      SHILO April 21 2014 13: 08
      +20
      Quote: Cossacks
      I didn’t understand anything, but overall I liked it.


      Do not be surprised, now no one understands what. Ukraine is ruled by chance and adult foreign uncles. Let's wait - we'll see.
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov April 21 2014 15: 23
        +5
        Quote: SHILO
        Let's wait - we'll see.

        And do not shit from what he saw?
        1. SHILO
          SHILO April 21 2014 16: 13
          +2
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          Quote: SHILO
          Let's wait - we'll see.

          And do not shit from what he saw?


          There is such an option sad
    2. PN
      PN April 21 2014 13: 09
      +5
      The article looks like someone painted a pen.
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      2. cumastra1
        cumastra1 April 21 2014 14: 46
        +4
        The meaning of the article: many Ukrainians are faced with a choice, this choice as the foreskin - it’s a pity to cut off, and you can’t get a bite. So they suffer.
  3. Kars
    Kars April 21 2014 12: 59
    +31
    A difficult situation.
    Motorovtsev is still holding Boguslaev.
    Kommunar goes on vacation at his own expense
    Progress 4 day,

    In weapons stores, demand is huge.
    In the Ural barracks, something incomprehensible is happening.
    Waiting for.
    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 April 21 2014 13: 02
      +23
      Great Andrei, I really thought you went to the National Guard, with "sworn mosska.l.i. and" to fight ... How are you there?
    2. denisey
      denisey April 21 2014 13: 21
      +7
      My friend, I look, YOU began to answer without spelling mistakes. Apparently Kharkov will soon be OUR.
      1. Kars
        Kars April 21 2014 13: 30
        +8
        Quote: denisey
        My friend, I look, YOU began to answer without spelling mistakes.

        Is it?
        Quote: Novel 1977
        I thought you went to the National Guard

        half a year ago I would have moved, but I am not going to fight for Timoshenchiha and Turchinov.
        Quote: denisey
        Apparently Kharkov will soon be OUR.

        strange conclusion from my comment, especially considering that I am from Zaporozhye
        1. Roman 1977
          Roman 1977 April 21 2014 13: 35
          +14
          Quote: Kars
          half a year ago I would have moved, but I am not going to fight for Timoshenchiha and Turchinov.

          What's so bad? The rulers come and go, but the country remains ... You are like a reserve officer, an artilleryman with 2C5. What do people think? My relatives from Kiev and Sumy are somehow anti-Russian. Or you have it there, like in "Boris Godunov": "The people are silent" ... Or you, there, according to the principle "Someone will come and put things in order ...". And what about the army, did you send a text message to support the family of the ZSU? How many times we have argued with you on this topic. BTR-4 is rumored to have been fused in NG from the Iraqi contract, and the Thai "Oplot" is also there. Yesterday I saw off a friend, the deputy head of the TFR went to Crimea.
          1. Kars
            Kars April 21 2014 14: 21
            +4
            Quote: Novel 1977
            Why is it so bad? Rulers come and go, but the country remains.

            Don’t say, don’t tell. This is the idiom of md, in general, the Byzvolotovsky gang that came to power with the help of ultranationalist bayonets does not completely suit me.
            Quote: Novel 1977
            You're like a reserve officer, an artilleryman with 2С5
            I'm not an officer

            Quote: Novel 1977
            I have relatives from Kiev and Sumy who are somehow anti-Russian.

            Kiev and Sumy is not the South East, we have a strange mood, against Bandera, and as it were, we still don’t want to be in Russia, to be friends, yes, but in one country it’s not very good.
            Quote: Novel 1977
            And with the army, I sent an SMS to support the relatives of ZSU

            Of course not. Let Kolomoisky be bothering, I know the reality of our ZSU, I hate this baseless puffing of cheeks from the pastor and the egg.
            Quote: Novel 1977
            How many times have you and I argued on this subject?

            What exactly? I always said that ZSU could not be at war with the Russian Federation, but easily with Romania.
            Quote: Novel 1977
            BTR-4 then from the Iraqi contract they talk in NG fused,

            Fused
            Quote: Novel 1977
            and the Thai "Oplot" there

            why wouldn’t it? Strongholds are not transferred to ZSU, even an exhibition sample as it was in the territory of the plant remains so - I’m very sorry that now we won’t go to the tank bitlon, for this alone it’s to get the junta))))

            Quote: Novel 1977
            Yesterday I spent a comrade, went the deputy chief of the TFR in the Crimea.

            Yes, it’s good in Crimea. The weather, there’s not a lot of people. Blindness.
            1. Roman 1977
              Roman 1977 April 21 2014 14: 44
              +3
              Quote: Kars
              Don’t say, don’t tell. This is the idiom of md, in general, the Byzvolotovsky gang that came to power with the help of ultranationalist bayonets does not completely suit me.

              Okay Andrey, I’ll tell you this, it’s better to argue here on the site than to look at each other through the sight. It’s not a matter of when a Russian and a Ukrainian are at war, oh, it’s not the case ...
              Quote: Kars
              I'm not an officer

              We drove ...
              Quote: Kars
              Of course not. Let Kolomoisky be bothering, I know the reality of our ZSU, I hate this baseless puffing of cheeks from the pastor and the egg.

              This is correct, unfortunately we must admit that in Ukraine there is no army, although there are officers, there are soldiers, and unfortunately there is no army.
              Quote: Kars
              What exactly? I always said that ZSU could not be at war with the Russian Federation, but easily with Romania.

              You are not sorry for the Romanians. Although the Magyars are already in Transcarpathia with genuine interest.

              Quote: Kars
              Fused

              "Take the wretched thing that doesn't suit us." I hope the Banderlog will finish them off completely.
              Quote: Kars
              why wouldn’t it? Strongholds are not transferred to ZSU, even an exhibition sample as it was in the territory of the plant remains so - I’m very sorry that now we won’t go to the tank bitlon, for this alone it’s to get the junta))))

              Thank God, although one thing pleases, but by the way, what is this?



              Quote: Kars
              Yes, it’s good in Crimea. The weather, there’s not a lot of people. Blindness.

              Well, good, but nothing particularly good.
              1. Kars
                Kars April 21 2014 15: 02
                +2
                Quote: Novel 1977
                Thank God, although one thing pleases, but by the way, what is this?

                he is
                1. Roman 1977
                  Roman 1977 April 21 2014 15: 07
                  +2
                  Photos from the window dress in front of the pastor in the Chernihiv region from 2 April of this year.
                  http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/279074/ukrainskaya_armiya_provela_masshtabnye_vo

                  ennye_ucheniya_na_chernigovschine_fotoreportaj

                  There is a lot of things lit up BTR-3 and BTR-4, and "Bulat" and the modernized "mess"





                  Andrei, I’m extremely glad that you had the intelligence not to interfere, all of this, I hope, more than once to argue with you about the advantages of armored vehicles. God would have given everything to be resolved peacefully. drinks
                  1. Kars
                    Kars April 21 2014 15: 18
                    +3
                    Quote: Novel 1977
                    Photos from the window dress in front of the pastor in the Chernihiv region from 2 April of this year

                    So the show showed, gave the turkish bitch inflate.
                    And the Bastion was driven back to prepare for the next exhibition.
                    and BTR-4 raked everything from the Design Bureau and sent to the National Guard.
                    Quote: Novel 1977
                    Andrei, I’m extremely glad that you had the intelligence not to interfere in all this,

                    well it's never too late to shake.
                    Quote: Novel 1977
                    I hope, more than once with you to argue about the merits of armored vehicles

                    there will be articles, there will be disputes.
                    It is necessary for me from A. Romanov and to knock out T-90A))
                    http://topwar.ru/41669-timoshenko-oplakivaet-krym-i-obeschaet-kollaps-rossii.htm
                    l # comment-id-2103268
                    and it’s not yet done so that I would have a super Russian tank in my collection, which will soon be banned from selling in the territory of Ukraine.
            2. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker April 21 2014 14: 49
              +4
              Quote: Kars
              Yes, it’s good in Crimea. The weather, there’s not a lot of people. Blindness.

              Thanks, Kars ...
              It seems a little, but clearly.
              Good luck!
              hi
            3. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch April 22 2014 05: 53
              0
              Quote: Kars
              I’m very sorry that now our people won’t go to the tank bitlon,


              So, in my opinion, on the biathlon alone T-72?
              1. Kars
                Kars April 22 2014 11: 25
                +1
                Quote: Semyon Semyonich
                So, in my opinion, on the biathlon alone T-72?

                There were, I think, the Chinese will definitely come, there could be Ukrainian BM Bulat, Czech and Slovak modernizations of the T-72. I have not heard anything now.
          2. Nevsky_ZU
            Nevsky_ZU April 21 2014 14: 28
            +20
            Quote: Novel 1977
            Quote: Kars
            half a year ago I would have moved, but I am not going to fight for Timoshenchiha and Turchinov.

            What's so bad? BTR-4 is rumored to have been fused in NG from the Iraqi contract, and the Thai "Oplot" is also there. Yesterday I saw off a friend, the deputy head of the TFR went across the Crimea.


            Why are you so attacked Kars? His world, like the world of "Akim", collapsed. Let me remind you briefly:

            Akim is a normal person in principle. I know such "centrists" from my university studies. They are patriotic statesmen, they are equally worried about all the lands of Ukraine, be it Galicia or Donbass. Their golden time was when the era of Kuchma was. But there are 2 problems:

            1. Beginning in 2004, the "centrists" began to melt before our eyes, shifting either to the right or, but less often to the left. Typical centrists of that time: Marchuk, Sevkovich and a whole galaxy of politicians of the 90s. If they had not disappeared, then perhaps I would never even have written such articles. The era of Kuchma impressed me completely. The Nazis did not climb beyond Lviv at night. There were no branches in eastern Ukraine. And the textbooks on the history of Ukraine in the 90s were a compromise, although they contained a fairy tale about "bad" and "good" Bandera.

            2. The patriotism of the "centrists" towards the state can also go over to nationalism, but very rarely to the left vector, and even more so never to the pro-Russian one. Centrists live most often in South-Eastern Ukraine. They are characterized by the phrase: "I am not a supporter of the Banderaites, but if they poke their heads here in Donetsk, I will break their horns, but I will also answer Russia if it comes" to collect land. "

            Most centrists are middle and slightly older. They met independence at a young age. And therefore they equally care for Soviet veterans and the aspirations of the Ukrainian people for independence. The old generation, which could lead to an alliance with the Russian Federation, left the game at the turn of 2000. If you remember, then Vitrenko and Simonenko then set the tone for a Ukrainian. politics.

            Today it was Akimov’s turn to go to the dustbin of history, their tolerance and patriotism towards the state in the broad sense of the word: science, space, industry and the army — who do not need on the Maidan

            Now the ball is ruled by the union of consumers (the dream of the EU and a visa-free regime) and nationalists (what kind of space and technology? This is the lot of the Finno-Finnish lapotnik, we have one religion and language)
            1. Nevsky_ZU
              Nevsky_ZU April 21 2014 14: 31
              +16
              Continuation of Kars

              No. I just studied at the Faculty of History and Law in 2003-2008. There I had 2 friends of the same age, one pro-Russian, but of Bulgarian nationality, the other "centrist" - Ukrainian, but although I was Russian, I was sick with "liberalism." Now add teachers of different age groups and different beliefs here. Each lecture or seminar is a whole cross section of the views of smart and educated people. Sometimes it came to the point of absurdity, teachers with Russian surnames and ages of 45, were concerned about the UPA and the EU, and teachers with Ukrainian surnames of the same age, with the condemnation of the UPA and a normal attitude towards the USSR. Plus, do not forget about young personnel, who in most cases, without any grants, in the mainstream style, defended the ideals of the West. The order was only in the philological faculties. There, if a teacher of Russian language and literature, then he is certainly not a supporter of the UPA, but Ukrainian, respectively. Those. there was a front line for linguists. As for you Akim, we had a civil defense lecturer, a stern man with a Ukrainian surname, proudly spoke about the Ukrainian and old Soviet army, and also condemned the UPA. I think he matched 93% of your look. Then he was 55.

              But as I already said, unfortunately, after Kuchma left, the "centrists" became thinner than the layer of butter on a sandwich in Ukrainian society. Nationalists and liberal consumers began to dominate (Thank God I woke up 3 years ago from the liberal mollaria) And the left and about the Russian sector diminished not as much as you are "centrists", but also very significantly.
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              2. oblako
                oblako April 21 2014 16: 28
                +4
                It is because of this that the Ukrainian statehood did not take place. The devastation in the head turned into a "maidan of the brain". Everything according to Lenin: "... an idea only becomes a material force when the masses seize it." So they mastered it, and even good advisers from overseas, who will warm their hands on this, listen ... But don't be fools, they extinguish the fire with diesel fuel and with bewilderment: "... why doesn't that go out ?. .. "ideas and toss. What was always lacking for smart and educated people at the seminars? To discern your future behind the absurdity ... Well, if you see and accept it ... then farewell to unitary Ukraine, but it's a pity, because there will be borders. But a little more intelligence and patience, wisdom could connect the West and the East and, probably, be the leaders of civilization. Smart and educated people have not learned to respect each other and live together. Education is only a tool, and the mind is a myth, we ourselves do not know what we are putting into this concept ... The tool turned out to be out of hand, they would have to build, but it destroys ...
            2. Corsair
              Corsair April 21 2014 14: 37
              +9
              Quote: Nevsky_ZU
              Why are you so pounced on Kars? His world, like the world of "Akim", collapsed. Let me remind you briefly:

              Yes you, my friend, a political scientist - a psychoanalyst! ++++ good
              1. SHILO
                SHILO April 21 2014 16: 25
                +5
                Quote: Corsair
                Yes you, my friend, a political scientist - a psychoanalyst! ++++


                Maidan 2004 cleared his head laughing
            3. avt
              avt April 21 2014 14: 57
              +10
              Quote: Nevsky_ZU
              Now the consumer union rules the ball (the dream of the EU and a visa-free regime)

              And here is how they are expected there - from an interview with Marine Le Pen, for a second he leads the party, which is very much gaining momentum from a quite comfortable living in the street, after all the tolerance in France - “Europe is obliged to support Russia in the Ukrainian issue entirely for two reasons We must all recognize the right to reunite the great Russian people living both in Russia and on the left side of the Dnieper.

              On the other hand, the national group of Western Slavs, former subjects of the Habsburgs, who have seized power in this country, declares their desire to "enter Europe." I must note that it is one thing to live peacefully and peasant labor in Habsburg Austria, and another thing if these uncultured and savage crowds of drug addicts, clochards and prostitutes, thirsty for blood, break into the cities of Western Europe. We cannot allow this under any circumstances.

              How these people behave and what we are, we perfectly saw on the footage the beating of the candidate President Tsarev with his undressing and theft followed by the demonstration of his underwear, on the footage of the torture of the municipal prosecutor and on the footage of the governors kneeling.

              We do not want the central squares of our cities to turn outwardly into the central square of Kiev. We will not allow this. "Http://m.leparisien.fr/international/russie-marine-le.laughing Here is such a Ukraine-tse Europe turns out.
            4. Alekseev
              Alekseev April 21 2014 21: 15
              0
              Quote: Nevsky_ZU
              Why are you so pounced on Kars? His world, like the world of "Akim", collapsed. Let me remind you briefly:
              Akim is a normal person in principle.

              We did them preduprezhdali! laughing And more than once, it was about their world, although the conversation was mostly about BTT and other applications to this world itself.
              Another time they argued ... But "what cannot be said in a joke conversation!" yes
              We don’t wish them and other residents of Ukraine evil, besides terry banderlog and law enforcement officers.
              May God grant them to overcome, if possible, a bloodless real crisis and direct the true future of the Ukrainian state on the path!
              1. Kars
                Kars April 22 2014 00: 29
                +1
                Quote: Alekseev
                We did them preduprezhdali! And more than once, just about their world,

                It can be more specific, where, when ,? What topic? What exactly?
                1. Alekseev
                  Alekseev April 22 2014 15: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  It can be more specific, where, when ,? What topic? What exactly?

                  Persistent in achieving goals ... yes
                  I will not shovel all topics, but I, for example, personally, when discussing various aspects of BTT development, always paid attention that the root of the problems, in particular, the Malyshev plant and other enterprises of the Ukrainian defense industry, is in the absence of a true one (in my, of course, personal look) public policy.
                  And the absence of this very policy, as is now obvious to everyone, has led to Maidanism and outrages, which do not know what will end. request
                  It’s easier to say: a terrible fear of integration with the Russian Federation, overestimation of one's strengths, underfunding, naive belief that the West will help us, as well as more than anywhere else, corruption, incompetence, expressed in the announcement of projects in which the wish was presented as really possible .. .
                  To which I always methodically answeredthat, they say, we are fine, But in Russia, things are much worse ...
                  1. Kars
                    Kars April 22 2014 17: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: Alekseev
                    Malyshev and other enterprises of the Ukrainian defense industry are in the absence of a true (in my, of course, personal opinion) state policy

                    So you are for militarizing the budget of Ukraine?
                    But where does it go
                    Quote: Alekseev
                    precisely about their world

                    Quote: Alekseev
                    And the absence of this very policy, as is now obvious to everyone, has led to Maidanism and outrages, which do not know what will end

                    Yes, it’s just that this has nothing to do with it.
                    but can you tell what the policy should have been so that there would be no maidan?
                    In a nutshell.
                    Quote: Alekseev
                    It’s easier to say: a terrible fear of integration with the Russian Federation, overestimation of one’s strengths, underfunding, naive belief that the West will help us

                    What a strange set - there would be no underfunding, one would not have to believe in the help of the West, etc.

                    Quote: Alekseev
                    To which I was always methodically answered that, they say, everything is fine with us, but in Russia things are much worse ..

                    And this, for example, is a complete lie to me.
                    Quote: Alekseev
                    also more than anywhere else, corruption, incompetence, expressed in the announcement of projects,

                    What can I say here you have the same thing, but there is no underfunding.
                    I always said that the Russian Federation is also saoe, only more money, and the president is not a rag, or rather not so vulnerable to Western pressure.

                    But still it’s very interesting what Yanukovych had to do so that there would be no Maidan (do not steal, do not consider a priori)
        2. Corsair
          Corsair April 21 2014 14: 31
          +5
          Greetings! fellow
          Quote: Kars
          half a year ago I would have moved, but I am not going to fight for Timoshenchiha and Turchinov.

          And "half a year ago" FOR WHAT would you fight? For the "European vibir"? AND WITH WHOM??
          1. Kars
            Kars April 21 2014 14: 40
            +1
            Quote: Corsair
            And "half a year ago" WHAT WOULD you fight for?

            For Ukraine, or for the same Crimea, up to the maydown there, in an honest referendum for the Russian Federation, 20%

            Quote: Corsair
            AND WITH WHOM???

            With everyone, but preferably with Romania, I perfectly know the state of the ZSU
            1. washi
              washi April 21 2014 15: 00
              +7
              Quote: Kars
              With everyone, but preferably with Romania, I perfectly know the state of the ZSU

              Understand yourself.
              I do not want to fight with my own, albeit "processed" media.
              GDP said the same thing.
            2. Patton5
              Patton5 April 21 2014 15: 07
              +11
              , up to maydaun there in an honest referendum for the Russian Federation would not have gained 20%
              You do not know Crimea well !!!
              1. Kars
                Kars April 21 2014 15: 21
                +1
                Quote: Patton5
                You do not know Crimea well !!!

                Well, why, we have a plant in Dzhankoy, Novator. And now it’s very difficult to conduct work, given that the process includes cooperation with the plant in Novaya Kakhovka
                Quote: Vasya
                Sort it out yourself

                if given
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 21 2014 15: 28
                  +5
                  Quote: Kars

                  if given

                  Nothing Kars be patient, not long left to go under the junta. Soon everything will change, abruptly and immediately throughout the southeast.
                2. dmitriygorshkov
                  dmitriygorshkov April 21 2014 16: 06
                  +4
                  Quote: Kars
                  if given

                  So who recently?
                  Moyahataskrai yes? And the knowledge of the factory in cooperation does not mean knowledge of the factory workers!
                  1. Kars
                    Kars April 21 2014 16: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: dmitriygorshkov
                    So who recently?

                    Yes, everyone did not finish it. The Americans, the EUs, the Russians - maybe only China tried to behave honestly.
                    Quote: dmitriygorshkov
                    And knowledge of the plant in cooperation does not mean knowledge of the factory workers!

                    Not, probably there the factory workers have one opinion in their own Crimea, a different opinion on the main office in Zaporozhye.
                    even though the shop managers, security services, drivers mostly from Zaporozhye didn’t communicate with them either. In Zaporozhye, they didn’t bring them to the Trade Hall and sports day)))
                3. avt
                  avt April 21 2014 20: 15
                  +4
                  Quote: Kars
                  if given

                  Quote: dmitriygorshkov
                  So who recently?

                  Quote: Kars
                  Yes, everyone did not finish it. The Americans, the EUs, the Russians - maybe only China tried to behave honestly.

                  laughing laughing Especially Russia! Etozh in general it is not comprehensible to the mind, how did you all survive there, when for 23 years gas was distilled through you in the EU and you were supplied, and even given to steal ??? You can say - they just gassed! And the Chinese are also scoundrels - they paid for the grain, and the ukrovlast threw them at the grandmother, they bastards did not believe that Russia was to blame and filed a lawsuit, after all, scoundrels! So, only penguins in Antarctica are behaving honestly regarding the Ukraine 1991 project, although .... it would be necessary to send a telegram to the Ukrainian polar explorers, maybe they will tell you what villainy the penguins are doing. I think they are scoundrels too, they do not fly, although they are called birds and they hatch eggs, they deceived them, do not behave honestly, do not want to fly.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars April 22 2014 00: 36
                    +1
                    Quote: avt
                    Especially Russia! This is generally incomprehensible to the mind, how did you all survive there when 23 was distilled gas through the EU through you and delivered to you, and even allowed to steal ??


                    For starters, I did not steal gas.
                    those who stole shared with representatives of Russia.
                    Do not steal for a long time, probably 5 years
                    4 of the year, such a price is paid for gas that it is profitable to reverse Russian gas from Europe.

                    Yanukovych started this whole issue with European integration because of the high gas price, and dragging the decision of the GDP into the CU Ukraine on its terms.
                    Yanyk knocked down the price, grandmother got --- but from the side it was clear that Yanyk sold Eurointegration for a discount and a loan, which added fuel to the fire, so that the Russian participation in Ukraine’s problems is also large, and I can very well assume that Seeing what was going on, the GDP did not give Yanyk any promises of support, he did not dare to push the maydown, and the GDP under this sauce turned the Crimean squeeze.
                    Quote: avt
                    ! And the Chinese are also scoundrels - they paid for the grain, and the Ukrainian authorities threw them to grandmothers, they did not believe the bastards that Russia was to blame and filed a lawsuit, because the bastards!

                    I don’t know what is happening with the Chinese, they are a little sorry, and it’s not clear - there were a lot of grain, a lot.
                    Quote: avt
                    So, only penguins in Antarctica behave honestly
                    With penguins is not the time.
            3. Corsair
              Corsair April 21 2014 15: 24
              +3
              Quote: Kars

              For Ukraine, or for the same Crimea, up to the maydown there, in an honest referendum for the Russian Federation, 20%

              That is exactly "Maidan" is a "watershed", "before and after."
              Hidden at the beginning under the cover of "integration", the true intentions of the inspirers and organizers of the putsch led to consequences that NOBODY expected ...

              As a result, the Maidan, as a "people's initiative", will be hard to "have" "initiators" ...
              And it is good if the trials fall to the lot of the junta and its minions, that is, at the address, and not to innocent people.
            4. dmitriygorshkov
              dmitriygorshkov April 21 2014 16: 02
              +7
              Quote: Kars
              For Ukraine, or for the same Crimea, up to the maydown there, in an honest referendum for the Russian Federation, 20%

              With all due respect, you're not just wrong! But wrong in principle!
              1. Kars
                Kars April 21 2014 16: 16
                +1
                Quote: dmitriygorshkov
                With all due respect, you're not just wrong! But wrong in principle!

                Are you from Crimea?
                1. Patton5
                  Patton5 April 21 2014 17: 00
                  +10
                  I am from the Crimea. And I mean that 20% is clearly an underestimated estimate, I do not say that before the Maidan, if a referendum (similar to that held) would vote 80% for! But 20%!?!?!? So I say that you did not know the mood of Crimeans. In principle, it seems that it is not customary in Ukraine to know the mood of citizens !!! The less you know the better you sleep
                  1. Kars
                    Kars April 21 2014 18: 24
                    +1
                    Quote: Patton5
                    referendum (similar to held) would vote 80%

                    Really? And can anyone at least not get statistics?
                    To Maidan.
                    1. Patton5
                      Patton5 April 21 2014 19: 25
                      +5
                      you are in your own opinion, but you demand statistics from me)))) these are my feelings all the same in Crimea I have been living my whole life, and do not distort
                      I do not speak as for the Maidan, if a referendum (similar to that held) would vote 80% for!
                      I agree, maybe it’s not clear, but the meaning is this. If the referendum were held in 2012, then there would be more than those who voted for separation from Ukraine
                      would not have accumulated 20%
                      Do not flatter yourself (in the sense of Ukraine), Ukraine turned out to be, as someone said, not a mother but a stepmother ... And personally my opinion ... while in Ukraine the Russophobic mood and Nazi ideology dominate ... and people in different fields countries put up with this !!! Ukraine as a state does not exist for me
                      1. Kars
                        Kars April 21 2014 19: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: Patton5
                        you are in your own opinion, but you require statistics from me))))

                        So you don’t have it. And also in your opinion.
                        Look for laziness but monitoring is carried out, look for interest for 2012 year.
                        Quote: Patton5
                        .If a referendum were to be held in 2012, then there would be more than those who voted for separation from Ukraine
                        would not have accumulated 20%


                        But even 50% would have reached, and all the same, about 20% - mainly military pensioners.
                        Quote: Patton5
                        Do not flatter yourself (in the sense of Ukraine) Ukraine for us turned out to be, as someone said, not a mother but a stepmother ...


                        I don’t know who it turned out to be for you, but it turned out to be about the same for the whole territory, Crimea should not be represented as something very different.
                        Quote: Patton5
                        while Russophobic mood dominates in Ukraine

                        It still does not dominate, but everything may well be ahead.

                        Voting results for party lists (parties that scored more than 5% of votes):
                        Party of Regions - 52,34% (third result in the country).
                        Communist Party of Ukraine - 19,41%
                        "Fatherland" - 13,09%
                        HIT - 7,17%.


                        I think the Communists can be counted as a marker of those who wanted to join the USSR
        3. Ross
          Ross April 21 2014 15: 40
          +5
          Quote: Kars
          Quote: Novel 1977
          I thought you went to the National Guard

          half a year ago I would have moved, but I am not going to fight for Timoshenchiha and Turchinov.

          Wishing and without Andrew were found.
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch April 22 2014 06: 18
            0
            And what kind of stake does she grow out of her head? Not aspen?
        4. PATTIY
          PATTIY April 21 2014 19: 57
          +2
          Quote: Kars
          I’m not going to fight for Tymoshenchikha and Turchinov.

          And you fight for your land! Do not give it to anyone. Zapadentsy - this is the conquerors.
        5. Che Guevara
          Che Guevara April 21 2014 20: 23
          +2
          Kars, where it’s really boring without you, I don’t agree on everything with you, but it's nice to read the comments of an intelligent person. YOU +++ that you are with us again in VO
          1. Kars
            Kars April 22 2014 00: 38
            +4
            Quote: Chegevara
            Kars, where they disappeared without you really boring

            Thank you. But I'm here every day, there’s just so little where I want to write something.
    3. grog_bm
      grog_bm April 21 2014 13: 53
      +3
      Wait "s, we will come soon !!! -" Polite people ")))))))
      1. washi
        washi April 21 2014 15: 01
        +1
        Quote: grog_bm
        Wait "s, we will come soon !!! -" Polite people ")))))))

        There is a desire - go (not officially).
        They will not be allowed on transport.
        They kill there.
    4. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 21 2014 15: 26
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      Waiting for.

      Chegos? Which side will fly?
      What would you know where to use, then what were you waiting in line for at the weapons store?
  4. mig31
    mig31 April 21 2014 13: 04
    +3
    Wait it doesn’t work out, in a quiet pool there are devils ...
  5. RND
    RND April 21 2014 13: 06
    +1
    dad Hops led the Cossack brothers to cut ... no, not the Psheks, but the gentry (you’ll pick up a modern analog

    Yes, pick it up. They are sitting in a puddle. The universal panov, f *** t them so ...
  6. mamont5
    mamont5 April 21 2014 13: 07
    +2
    "And then dad will appear ... and the buttocks will be full of berries."

    And what, there are already candidates for this place?
  7. Horst78
    Horst78 April 21 2014 13: 08
    +4
    Something I didn’t quite drive into the author’s thoughts what
    1. balyaba
      balyaba April 21 2014 13: 30
      +1
      I think so, they explain to us: Skoropadsky was already there, right now Petlyura showed up, but soon the old man Makhno will appear ...
      Eh! again we - "damned ..." - will have to restore order ...
      1. dropout
        dropout April 21 2014 14: 07
        +25
        Quote: balyaba
        I think so, they explain to us: Skoropadsky was already there, right now Petlyura showed up, but soon the old man Makhno will appear ...
        Eh! again we - "damned ..." - will have to restore order ...


        Today is April 21, the anniversary of the death of one of these batiks. I’m not gloating, I remind you.
        A shot from the camera record of the rocket that killed Dudaev.
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch April 22 2014 06: 23
          -1
          Quote: dropout
          A shot from the camera record of the rocket that killed Dudaev.


          ... and before that they called him and said:
          -Johar, get out of the car and look up what wealth will fall on you laughing
          1. dropout
            dropout April 22 2014 12: 10
            0
            Quote: Semyon Semyonich
            they called him and said:


            You are absolutely right. Dzhokhar at that moment was talking with the "great human rights activist" Konstantin Borov.
      2. washi
        washi April 21 2014 15: 14
        0
        Petlyura (Muzychka) was flunked ahead of time.
        The Makhnovists under the leadership of Kolomoisky are already operating.
        Kolomoisky has its own benefit: http: //inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20140421/219729632.html
        Loot and loot again.
  8. nika08
    nika08 April 21 2014 13: 09
    +11
    Dull passivity never brought to good. The reckoning will be cruel and bitter.
    1. GRDS
      GRDS April 21 2014 14: 15
      +2
      Quote: nika08
      Dull passivity never brought to good. The reckoning will be cruel and bitter.

      The worst thing is that bloody !!
  9. Biolant
    Biolant April 21 2014 13: 17
    +3
    There will be a massacre and there is only the question of who will eventually send his troops forward - NATO or Russia - they will win.
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 April 21 2014 13: 33
      +2
      Because if the Russian military will already be in Ukraine, and Nato is late, then no one will definitely not expel them.
    2. Magadan
      Magadan April 21 2014 13: 36
      +6
      just the case when the opposite. the troops will be brought in by those who lose their nerves. This is precisely what will be considered the occupier. And there it started, I went.
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov April 21 2014 16: 18
        0
        Quote: Magadan
        . And there it started, I went.

        If "rushed and went, then what's the difference who entered the first?
        But a strategic advantage!
        Well, it’s so .... Nato at this stage will not get into a war with Russia in Ukraine, in the long run, maybe now it’s definitely not. Not that prize.
    3. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU April 21 2014 14: 12
      +10
      I myself am from the Zaporozhye region .... I was once offended that Zaporozhye is called the Zormozhiem ... Now there is no (((
  10. Stinger
    Stinger April 21 2014 13: 18
    +5
    For some reason I remembered: Lady: - Lieutenant Rzhevsky, I have no doubt in your potency, so please play the next game of pool cue, please!
  11. Arh
    Arh April 21 2014 13: 21
    +1
    The Cossacks are waiting and preparing for a throw against the right-wingers, I think so !!!)))
    1. Horly
      Horly April 21 2014 14: 16
      +2
      They are waiting for higher payouts, and whoever does it will be on their drum: at least Ukraine, at least Russia, at least America. This is where the relation with what is happening is - hackiness!
      1. washi
        washi April 21 2014 15: 21
        0
        Quote: Horly
        They are waiting for higher payouts, and whoever does it will be on their drum: at least Ukraine, at least Russia, at least America. This is where the relation with what is happening is - hackiness!

        Everyone wants stability and compliance.
        In the Russian Federation, this has almost been achieved.
        They are also judged by city governors and governors and ministers.
        True, not everyone is planted, but this, I think, is a temporary phenomenon, and not the main thing.
        Now, if the deputies pass laws on confiscation of property ....... a dream will come true.
  12. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT April 21 2014 13: 21
    +2
    Maybe you need to quickly open the abscess, and not wait for "it will pass by itself." After all, the disease can last for years and ten years. However, to the author of good luck, fortitude in such a difficult time.
    1. dimdimich71
      dimdimich71 April 21 2014 13: 30
      +1
      And the Surgeon is still silent, thinks whether the whole abscess will stop in the southeast ...
      1. washi
        washi April 21 2014 15: 23
        0
        Quote: dimdimich71
        And the Surgeon is still silent, thinks whether the whole abscess will stop in the southeast ...

        Everything is already counted.
        Actions for the population of the outskirts (or Hohland)
  13. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 21 2014 13: 40
    +1
    Until trouble takes the ass, no one will raise that ass, that’s human psychology, and there’s no getting around it. But all the same, it would not work for someone to sit out in a quiet harbor. So you still have to determine. It will not be like a schoolgirl's pregnancy: maybe it will resolve.
  14. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 April 21 2014 13: 40
    +1
    Waiting is the best thing to do. If we enter there now, we will be aggressors like Hitler. But if there is a crisis and the carnage begins, then yes. Extinguish law enforcement officers and the Nazi guard in Kiev. Moreover, if NATO forces try to go abroad of Ukraine.
  15. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 21 2014 13: 42
    +1
    I think that a breakthrough is not long to wait. Otherwise, they will die waiting ...
  16. biznaw
    biznaw April 21 2014 13: 48
    0
    Stop Clicking! Everything will be fine ... The junta is already in suitcase moods. Everything falls apart ... It’s one thing to push tires and give interviews for cookies, another thing is to manage the state, taxes can’t be collected, enterprises will stop here, there’s nothing to pay salaries for law enforcement officers, you can wait three years from the West. Not months, weeks remained, if the elections are held, then these will be the last elections in the state of Ukraine.
    Bad news. We will have to feed them. Three floors will have to be forgotten about a new car and a house in a village of three floors.
    1. mister2013
      mister2013 April 21 2014 14: 18
      +1
      Everything will be that way! Now the Russian grandmother and gas will be wasted and will stand on the Maidan2
    2. washi
      washi April 21 2014 15: 26
      0
      Quote: biznaw
      We will have to feed them.

      Do not even think about it.
      They must learn to earn themselves.
      If for this it will be necessary to carry out nationalization, then we will help (Crimea example)
      Give the socialist republic of New Russia.
      In GDP, the oligarchs are all fed up (infected with patriotism) will help, as they helped with the olimriad.
    3. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 21 2014 16: 35
      +5
      Quote: biznaw
      Bad news. We will have to feed them.

      Who to feed? Pravosekov? I will feed!
      And if the help of Yu.V. is needed; they don’t feed the brothers, they share fraternally with the brothers!
  17. scientist
    scientist April 21 2014 13: 49
    +5
    Normal article is named. Indeed, Zaporozhye looks like a whirlpool, in which, as you know, the devils are found. Such good fat devils who do their business and supply products to Russia, China, Belarus, about 90% of all metallurgy products. The enterprises of instrumentation and engineering here are almost 100% exported to these 3 states.
    Moreover, it is these devils who are the main sponsors of the Kiev junta. Apparently they think that they can buy off and will not be touched. Of course, it is now difficult for Russia to abandon all contracts, as Chemizov said, it takes 2-3 years for complete import substitution. So in a year the "whirlpool" will turn into a swamp, and in another year it will turn into a gutter.
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 21 2014 16: 42
      +2
      Quote: scientist
      So in a year the "whirlpool" will turn into a swamp, and in another year it will turn into a gutter.

      Here, as always, the question is at the notorious point of no return.
      If in Russia capacity to replace at least 30% is built, that's all, kirdyk! Nobody will abandon plans for their completion and Zaporizhzhya products will not find demand!
      And therefore it's time to scratch turnips !!!
  18. mira.36
    mira.36 April 21 2014 13: 50
    +1
    While it drips a little on the card and the gas is not cut off, they will think. It would be faster autumn and winter ... hi
  19. individual
    individual April 21 2014 13: 50
    +1
    This "quiet pool" proves once again that the division will be stormy, cruel and will not remain indifferent.
  20. I am Russian
    I am Russian April 21 2014 13: 54
    +10



    *
    http://topwar.ru/43742-300-spartancev-iz-zaporozhya.html
    *

    "In Zaporozhye, the situation is as follows. Firstly, the city is not unambiguously pro-Russian like Kharkov. We would like both ours and yours, both to be independent, and to pay money. Khataskrajnost and quality is present brightly, but without extremes. There is no such tough economic ass as in the mining towns of Donbass. Well, for now. The head of the Regional State Administration from Udar, IMHO, is tightly tied to the water producer Chernyak (vodyara Khortytsya, Morosha, Russian North (in the Russian Federation), Shustov cognac). Chernyak himself is a fan of Klitschko, hard orange, very pro-American Plus, he always had some ties with Kolomoisky. In general, Zaporozhye now, KMK, is part of Beni's patrimony. Look at the map. If the Donetsk region falls out of the control of the Kiev authorities, then Zaporozhye is a key region. It almost completely blocks the Azov coast , from the Akimovskaya spit to the Arabatskaya spit you can catch one. There are factories, Motor Sich, a nuclear power plant, a large river port, Berdyansk port, Kakhovskoye reservoir, Dnieper locks, alreadyblack soil and ... direct access to the Kherson region. At the same time, the Kherson region turns out to be sandwiched between Crimea and Zaporozhye. The Dnipropetrovsk region also has access to the Kherson region, but only to its upper part, which is cut off from the Crimea by the Dnieper. Therefore, if Donetsk in the eyes of the junta falls completely, then for Zaporozhye, IMHO, they will be cut more seriously than for Dnepropetrovsk. Therefore, personally, I think that most of the Banderlog near the Walk of Fame are newcomers. From Dnepropetrovsk to Zaporozhye - 70 km. We need to quickly turn on a medical hunger strike. In Zaporozhye, she will definitely clear her brains. "

    To everyone who was dedicated there:

  21. Genur
    Genur April 21 2014 14: 00
    +2
    ... head in the sand ... and all is well ...
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 21 2014 16: 47
      0
      Quote: Genur
      ..head into the sand ... and all is well ...

      While the head in the sand to ... from the rear, anyone can sneak up!
      Knowing the habits of Geyropa is not scary?
  22. Horly
    Horly April 21 2014 14: 05
    +3
    In Zaporozhye, it is a "quiet pool", but what is going on in the region ... After all, the Zaporozhye region borders on the Donbass (for example, the village of Kuibyshevo) and on the Crimea (the glorious city of Melitopol). And there is already a murmur - trade is falling, there is no work (at the same MeMZ) ... At this rate in Melitopol, border posts will be transferred from the border with the Crimea ... wink
  23. mabuta
    mabuta April 21 2014 14: 11
    +11
    Yes, they sit quietly until .... Let them read.
  24. Horly
    Horly April 21 2014 14: 13
    +2
    Incidentally, in the east of the region at st. The reeds were brought in by a bunch of armored vehicles and artillery systems, and people, to put it mildly, look at it with suspicion and simply do not understand why they drove it there. Much has been written about Raisins in the Kharkov region, but about the east of Zaporizhzhya (the same station in the village of Kamysh-Zarya) - silence. I know this from acquaintances living there - I spoke with them just the other day (before Easter).
  25. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx April 21 2014 14: 21
    +3
    Here the plants will stand, the space bills for the communal apartment will come - then EVERYWHERE BEGINS!
  26. fregina1
    fregina1 April 21 2014 14: 36
    +4
    Yes, when these plants are already up and the accounts will come ... wait for the whole forum have already gotten into it!
    1. Patton5
      Patton5 April 21 2014 15: 13
      +1
      when these plants are already up and the accounts come ... wait for the whole forum to have already gotten into it!
      Take a break, do something useful.
  27. vedross
    vedross April 21 2014 14: 38
    +4
    Rebellion is still not enough spirit.
    1. Patton5
      Patton5 April 21 2014 15: 14
      +2
      As long as there is something to lose, it will be so ...
  28. Hyppopotut
    Hyppopotut April 21 2014 15: 08
    +7
    With pain I follow the messages from my "small homeland". And then I thought that in my hometown they remember the war and hate the Nazis ... Forty years ago it was! In my school, there were SIX WWII veterans among the teachers! No, our generation could hardly degrade like that (although many of my weathermen have already passed away). And to what the people have been duped for 23 years !!!
    An understanding of what the people of Tyagnibok, parubia, egg and others like them will bring, but it will cost so much ...
    People! Come to your senses !!!
  29. Santor
    Santor April 21 2014 15: 13
    +4
    Quote: mister2013
    Everything will be that way! Now the Russian grandmother and gas will be wasted and will stand on the Maidan2


    There is something incomprehensible in this situation - look, no one has given money yet, neither the USA nor Europe, the treasury is empty, there are no taxes, but there is money ... There is money for flights, troop transfers, military salaries, for organization of formations and other ......
    My opinion is that Kiev receives money through the left channels or in black cash. By the way, about a billion US. I read it carefully and came to a slight bewilderment ...

    It turns out that it says - "The United States is becoming the guarantor of a $ 1 billion loan to Ukraine." And added - if Ukraine finds a state that will give it this billion ... That is, the United States itself was not going to allocate this billion, only act as a guarantor for Ukraine in obtaining this loan. Well, as in the bank when you take a loan - the guarantor.

    But Joe Biden flies to Kiev about the opportunity to start supplying arms to the Ukrainian army ... This will be obvious, and then Russia will have every right to completely review all its relations with Ukraine as a state.
    1. Fin
      Fin April 21 2014 16: 25
      +1
      Quote: Santor
      no one has given money yet, neither the USA nor Europe, the treasury is empty, there are no taxes, but there is money ... There is money for aviation flights, troop transportation, military salaries, for organization of formations, etc. ......

      Well, why is there no money, taxes are collected for January - March 2014 88 billion UAH http://minfin.com.ua/2014/04/03/2172521/
      Retired monthly 21,4 billion. + Teachers, doctors, military, allowances, etc. Therefore, the ass will advance gradually, full in the fall.
  30. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 21 2014 15: 17
    +2
    For ZAPAROZHETS, the main enemy was always not RUSSIA but POLAND. Everyone remembers this.
  31. Klim2011
    Klim2011 April 21 2014 15: 48
    +1
    But Joe Biden flies to Kiev about the opportunity to start supplying arms to the Ukrainian army ... This will be obvious, and then Russia will have every right to completely review all its relations with Ukraine as a state.

    Regarding the armaments of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in my opinion, they are not lacking, small arms are in huge numbers, as well as heavy equipment, air defense and artillery. Things are worse with aviation, but weapons are enough to suppress internal unrest (God forbid, of course).
    Arms supplies from the United States or Europe cannot radically change the situation.
    But the low morale and lack of motivation among professional military personnel is a real problem and supplies of PNVs and so on will not help here.
  32. saag
    saag April 21 2014 16: 08
    +1
    let's drang hach ​​Dnepropetroffsk
  33. Roman1970
    Roman1970 April 21 2014 16: 40
    0
    Waiting policy? Not the best policy ....
  34. terrible
    terrible April 21 2014 16: 43
    -2
    Zaporozhets - zaparshivets)) in 90g, as a schoolboy, he laughed at the tales of the Ukrop tour guide in zaparshie, about how Kozaki (apparently from the word goat) in their hollows hollowed out in stones made their own dumplings)))))))
  35. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 21 2014 16: 56
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    We have a saying, until the thunder strikes, the man crosses himself, until such a situation in Zaporozhye, ordinary life, or anything supernatural happens, somewhere in the distance they fight, make noise, shoot, kill. Maybe they can figure it out without us, it’s so good for us and some kind of goddess, such are the thoughts in the heads of the broad Cossacks. This is until the fried rooster has begun to peck, but soon it will reach them too, then they run in, scream for help.
  36. aud13
    aud13 April 21 2014 17: 09
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    Quote: Santor
    There is something incomprehensible in this situation - look, no one has given money yet, neither the USA nor Europe, the treasury is empty, there are no taxes, but there is money ... There is money for flights, troop transfers, military salaries, for organization of formations and other ......

    Well, the answer is probably the simplest ....
    Over the past two months, Ukraine has not transferred money to Gazprom at all for Gazprom. But ordinary consumers and organizations are sure to pay most of their debt. Because how to block the gas pipe is easy.
    Therefore, recently, Putin said that the monthly payment of 500 million. we have not seen dollars since February.
    In my opinion it was necessary to fasten a little faucet for Ukrainians for a long time, otherwise it turns out that with our money the Southeast is under pressure.
  37. delfinN
    delfinN April 21 2014 17: 12
    0
    The people's mayor of Slavyansk, Vyacheslav Ponomarev, introduced a curfew in the city.
    Self-defense forces of Slavyansk continue to suffer losses. In addition to the three people killed at the checkpoint on the night of April 20, the bodies of two more militias were brought to the morgue. Police officers found them in the Seversky Donets River with traces of torture and open stomachs.
    1. koshh
      koshh April 21 2014 19: 23
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      Quote: delfinN
      In addition to the three people killed at the checkpoint on the night of April 20, the bodies of two more militias were brought to the morgue. Police officers found them in the Seversky Donets River with traces of torture and open stomachs.


      When in Zaporozhye they start ripping open the bellies of the locals, then they will think: "What did they do by the river, did they go fishing or what? Why hang around at night, you have to stay at home, and then everything will be fine." And they will stay at home.
  38. Barakuda
    Barakuda April 21 2014 17: 54
    0
    Khmelnitsky’s beloved was taken away and the house was burned, AND HE was offended!
    Take Kabaeva from Putin and spit on the Kremlin ... And we will drink port in Lisbon .. smile The dream of Zhirik will come true.
    1. Passer
      Passer April 22 2014 12: 48
      0
      And to make it easier to get from Vladik to Lisbon, we will organize a strait between Mexico and Canada. drinks
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  39. terrible
    terrible April 21 2014 18: 11
    0
    why they rebelled in Donbass and Lugansk, and the rest are silent. Yes, because after Crimea there is the largest number of Russians! A. We are silent, why are they buzy. The same lawyers, their Ukrainians, will not be touched.
    1. koshh
      koshh April 21 2014 19: 28
      +1
      Quote: formidable
      pravoseki same-Ukrainians are not touched.


      Of course, they haven't touched it yet. The equipment has already been driven, and in Zaporozhye everyone is surprised: "Why is she, what will she do?"
      Nothing special. Spread zhpu, you will be tickled.
  40. shezar
    shezar April 21 2014 18: 31
    -2
    "Here is the beginning of Ukraine - the epic Sich, which had everyone in mind, and with which Father Khmel led his Cossack brothers to slaughter ... no, not pshek, but lords (you can pick up a modern analogue yourself), because then there was no Nazism or nationalism (to whom what term Yes, of course, there was no nationalism, well, what relation to nationalism can the mass destruction of Poles and Jews have, during the uprising of Bohdan Khmelnytsky ... In Rome, Patricia was not given civil rights to plebs, because the plebeians were aliens, the Greeks considered themselves from birth as free descendants of the gods and opposed themselves to barbarians-foreigners.Nationalism has always been, for nationalism is a manifestation of the self-identity of the people and a natural process ...
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg April 21 2014 22: 52
      +2
      Quote: shezar
      Nationalism has always been, for nationalism is a manifestation of the identity of the people and a natural process ...

      In the same way, Tyagniboks justify themselves ... The foundation of any state is conscious citizens. And those who have skulls, noses and so on. measures - these are the Nazis, ballast.
      Please think about how "healthy nationalism" differs from "Nazism"?
      What good do "healthy nationalists" bring to the people, even if they do not call upon fellow citizens of other nationalities to be burned in stoves? After all, they do not burn in Ukraine yet.
      What such popular problems cannot be solved without the "help of the Natsik"?
      But war and revolution can be provoked by inciting ethnic hatred.
      To protect the country from the "invasion of barbarians" it is enough for officials to stop "selling" passports to the right and to the left. It is possible to stop issuing citizenship to foreigners altogether, for this it is enough to adopt a law, nationalists are not needed at all.
      1. shezar
        shezar April 22 2014 22: 18
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        And here tyagniboks? What does the skull and noses have to do with it? You essentially did not write anything, I just wrote that nationalism was and will always be, because it is natural. The fact that you write this is ridiculous and ignorant, you appeal to the concept of citizenship, but the very concept of a citizen appeared in deeply nationalistic Ancient Greece, as I already wrote nationalism is a manifestation of the self-identity of a people, peoples are different, cultures are different and nationalism is different. People like you would definitely call such people as Suvorov, Dostoevsky, Ermolov and many others "Natsiks", because they were the most Russian nationalists and there is nowhere to go from this, and instead of really looking at things, you are reflecting about Hitlerism and his sixes allegedly Bandera, moreover, equate Russian nationalists with them. Do not forget that Russia was built by Russian nationalists and Russian culture, like any other outstanding culture, is deeply nationalistic ...
    2. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 21 2014 22: 52
      0
      Quote: shezar
      Nationalism has always been, for nationalism is a manifestation of the identity of the people and a natural process ...

      Did you think of it yourself or Goebbels suggested? No need to juggle! With the exception of Khmelnitsky, a lie! Read carefully, otherwise it looks like you only see what you want to see!
      1. shezar
        shezar April 22 2014 22: 22
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        What does Goebels have to do with it? In essence, can you write with what you do not agree with, preferably with support from at least some arguments, or is it the main thing for you to reflect on?
  41. nomad74
    nomad74 April 21 2014 20: 42
    0
    surprisingly Russia is waiting for its money, and with this money they are going to fight with their people!
  42. pvv113
    pvv113 April 21 2014 22: 04
    +6
    Here is a pus who is still ripening
    It ripens for a long time. Everyone else has already broken through
  43. Uchumatchast
    Uchumatchast April 22 2014 00: 37
    0
    Zaporozhye is the heart of Ukraine. yes
  44. BlackJack
    April 22 2014 20: 48
    0
    sorry no one understood completely and few were close