Russia forgave DPRK debt in 10 billion US dollars in exchange for the construction of the railway and gas pipeline

The Russian State Duma on the eve ratified the agreement between the Russian Federation and North Korea on settling arrears on Soviet loans: 10 billion US dollars were forgiven, and 1 billion US dollars will go to joint projects.

Russia in exchange hopes to implement in the DPRK the projects of the Russian Railways and Gazprom.
Now the last part of the Soviet debt remains unresolved: about $ 30 billion, owed by Cuba.

As Deputy Finance Minister S. Storchak explained, while agreeing to write off the 90%, the Deputy Minister noted that Russia took into account the real economic situation of the DPRK.

The State Duma Committee on the budget with the position of the government to take, how much give agreed.
“No other solution can be obtained,” said deputy deputy deputy deputy Honchar speaking on behalf of the committee.
According to him, the settlement of the debt will allow to influence the socio-economic development of the DPRK, since it is linked to the implementation of joint projects in its territory.

One of the main projects should be the construction of a gas pipeline through the territory of the DPRK, a project that Gazprom is working on.
According to S. Storchak, the DPRK is ready to discuss the possibility of paying for land allocations necessary for the construction of the gas pipeline, as well as the railway through the territory of the North Korean republic to South Korea, through transfers on debt.

Comments

[svp67]

As Deputy Finance Minister S. Storchak explained, while agreeing to write off the 90%, the Deputy Minister noted that Russia took into account the real economic situation of the DPRK.

No one gave such gifts to our country ... The states still pay for "Lend-Lease" ...

[siberalt]

And what can you take from them? This is unrealistic.

[svp67]

Quote: siberalt

And what can you take from them? This is unrealistic.

People to farms of the Far East ... They are also hard workers, they will quickly raise agriculture in the Far East ..

[hrych]

Thank you, no need to live without such farmers. In Kosovo, this has already passed. They will start to multiply and multiply, and then they will have to be disposed of somehow and why do we need these future problems because of cheap cucumbers.

[elmi]

Now the last part of the Soviet debt remained unsettled: about 30 billion US dollars, which Cuba owed.

I won’t be surprised if we write off the debts in Cuba. In general, when a country takes a loan from us, I’m pretty sure that the government will forgive the debt in the future. It would be profitable to forgive if the country whose debt was forgiven was paid, for example, Cuba in exchange for the cancellation of debt would allow the deployment of military bases again. to revive the electronic center in Lourdes

[jjj]

Quote: elmi

In general, when any country takes a loan from us, I am almost sure that the government will forgive the debt in the future.

Well, this is one of the types of entry into a particular state. Moreover, the appearance of decency and decency is observed

[str73]

For $ 30 billion in Cuba, our "Poplar" and "Iskander" must be deployed, and then we and Cuba will have quits and the United States will have a strong allergy to "poplar fluff". ABM in Europe will be forgotten in a moment

[Hippopotamus]

the United States has a strong allergy to "poplar fluff" will begin

It will be a new Cuban crisis, which in principle would not hurt
In general, lately we are so used to the American pressure on our pain points that we completely forget about their own. Namely. The country has a colossal debt that has brought the economy to the brink of collapse, while the military budget is the main expense. A scenario similar to the Cuban one is quite capable of provoking a "crisis of the 80s" in them, with certain consequences.

[Irokez]

I think in general you can talk about buying a thread of a small island near Cuba in the ownership of Russia. By the way, very helpful.

[PATTIY]

Quote: Irokez

about the purchase of a thread of a small island near Cuba in the ownership of Russia. By the way, very helpful.

by the way, and rent - maybe.

[svp67]

Quote: elmi

I would not be surprised if we write off debts in Cuba too.

For the deployment on its territory of elements of our missile defense, air and naval bases - and why not ...

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Sergei I don’t think why Cuba will allow us to place both missile defense systems and bases permanently. And rembases are possible. They are tricky. We are far away. Until we reach ... It will be even. And we will fit them. By politics, they start to caress something to the states.

[creak]

And do not be surprised, the decision to write off debt to Cuba has already been made. As you know, Russia is a generous soul, only this kind of selective generosity and for some reason does not apply to its own citizens. I do not recall a single instance of writing off at least any debts to Russian citizens ...

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Victor! How right.

[Pimply]

What touches me is that no one thinks what all this costs and where the money will come from to service these bases. Take money from the air? Now in Crimea, what amount will go? And it will go away for a long time. Budget cuts for all regions and the federal state.

[PATTIY]

Quote: elmi

For example, Cuba, in exchange for writing off a debt, would permit the re-deployment of military bases. The revival of the electronic center in Lourdes

Do you think this will not happen :))))
Fidel’s son has already received the award. From Russia.
recently

[Very old]

And you, KHRYCH ask Chelyabinsk residents - how much does a cheap cucumber cost from cheap producers - you lured the whole land (not your own, after all)

[svp67]

Quote: Very old

And you, KHRYCH ask Chelyabinsk residents - how much does a cheap cucumber cost from cheap producers - you lured the whole land (not your own, after all)

Do not confuse the Chinese, with their barbaric methods and the Koreans, these then are much more respectful to the land ...

[svp67]

Quote: hrych

They will begin to multiply and multiply, and then they will have to be disposed of somehow and why do we need these future problems because of cheap cucumbers.

There are so many Korean diasporas in the Far East, they are not only excellent farmers, but also excellent soldiers of Russia ...
But the problem can be solved, there would be a desire ...

[DimychDV]

Koreans in the Far East have always been and are, they were invited here by Nikolashka. And there were never problems with them. In 1937, fearing JAPANESE spies, all Koreans were evicted to Kazakhstan (Victor Tsoi from those). The cretinical NKVD officers - they could not distinguish the Japanese from the Korean - would ask our partisans, they would not only organize any filter, but also clear the ranks of the Koreans themselves. These are peaceful guys. But the North Koreans - those are more belligerent, but for our good, too, do not open their mouths. True, the entire forest was mowed at BAM. But by agreement. In 2004, he was traveling from Komsomolsk to Tynda - there, too, he could not see the taiga from the train ...
Yes, the Japanese threw 40 thousand souls on Sakhalin. Come - at any market in Ussuriysk or Nakhodka you can buy Korean kimchi (spicy cabbage) and a dozen more delicious vegetables and bracken fern - this has become a Russian Far Eastern dish, stewed fern with meat.
Primorye is an international laboratory, here neither Chechens nor Armenians are considered competitors, nor Koreans. The Chinese are a little afraid, so you send fugitive Ukrainians here to us, as at the beginning of the twentieth century. And then in the entire Far East Federal District - 7 - 9 million people. And only in the northeast of China - 150 - 200 million Chinese live. And we are also told that there is no such term - demographic pressure at the mouth of Tara - pah, you, massaraks, Sungari rivers ...

[Basarev]

And it is possible to seize land for arrears. Pyongyang region would not hurt us.

[Arhj]

Of course I understand that this is humor, but God save us from the Pyongyang region. The border will disappear, they will spread throughout Russia. If you need to get rid of stray dogs, then this may be the solution, but where to get so many dogs to feed such a mob.

[alicante11]

Do not offend the wretched. They already have no sugar. And the sanctions from all sides, and the leadership is somehow insanely, to be honest.

[Polevik]

Pyongyang region is useless to us.
And at the same time:

the last part of the Soviet debt remained unsettled: about $ 30 billion, which Cuba owed.

And here it would be worth thinking about the zemlyatsev. And a lot of it is not necessary.
Such a KubAO (Cuban Autonomous Okrug).
Well, you must protect your territory. Yes Yes! And the latest missiles too.

[Bayonet]

Basarev! Sorry, but go to bed brother!

[alicante11]

Kims are good workers. I would only be in favor. True, there is little that shines for them. The Chinese have also occupied a niche "comrades from the near abroad."

[miraculous]

into slavery? so it’s like the 21st century

[RND]

Quote: svp67

Quote: siberalt

And what can you take from them? This is unrealistic.

People to farms of the Far East ... They are also hard workers, they will quickly raise agriculture in the Far East ..

And we still have half of Africa. And from there people to the pastures of the Far North. Reindeer husbandry will rise quickly ...

[DimychDV]

Mostly build. And somewhat worse than the Chinese - those already have the highest qualifications.
>> influence on the social and economic development of the DPRK >> it will be possible to exert only up to the first hour. They will line up along the entire route as a living thread - what is there? Railway or pipes? Koreans put at all with the device. And our influence for them is no less pernicious and harmful than the American one.

[Akulina]

God forbid. There are already enough Chinese there. And what does the Far East have to do with it - the gas pipeline and the road will pass through their territory .... But now it is possible that Russians from Ukraine will rush to the Far and Siberia ...

[Mercenary]

There is nothing to take insanity so it is necessary to give new? One thing is good that gas will go to a paying capable country. If only it did not work out as with Ukraine.

[Arhj]

Quote: Mercenary

There is nothing to take insanity so it is necessary to give new? One thing is good that gas will go to a paying capable country. If only it did not work out as with Ukraine.

You shouldn’t be so. We just take what we can take. You won’t get money from them, and the right to build is also an asset, and it’s not cheap. And in the future, the railway and gas pipeline under the control of our companies should return the lost.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Mercenary

If only it did not work out as with Ukraine.

But I don’t think it’s worth fearing this: the Chinese will quickly straighten their brains if they just try to stick to the pipe.
As a famous figure used to say-- You are not here!

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But I don’t think it’s worth fearing this: the Chinese will quickly straighten their brains if they just try to stick to the pipe.

This, in my opinion, is a historical decision, a transit corridor is being organized for the entire Asia-Pacific region, and there are more than half of the world's population, I think that the result will be obvious even during my lifetime.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: siberalt

And what can you take from them? This is unrealistic.

But what the hell is stepping on the same rake again? Now they will build a railway and a gas pipeline and will not get anything again. In addition, the gas pipeline will be the blackmail point of South Korea, not to mention the theft of gas.

[Very old]

Something like CER - did not take anything and did not acquire ownership

Sooner, too late, and the Koreans will gather in one heap. The new state will say: the treaty was "enslaving", our northern neighbor "admanul"

We cannot get rid of the old disease - "Ivanushka" is called

[Manul]

Quote: siberalt

And what can you take from them? This is unrealistic.

An extra military base would not hurt us. For such an amount, we could almost free there (building materials and manpower - them) ward off the port, airfield and radar stations and arrange a couple of mines of the Strategic Missile Forces.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Why the hell do you need a military base in the UK? There is a country with a gulkin nose. Even less. It will not play any role. But I’ll do something with them, like to the world community. I won’t continue. You understand everything. Incitement, deposition of the ruling circles Policy versus regime Some more in black will come to me, but I still haven’t dug up a machine gun!

[sso-xnumx]

In Chemulpo ...

[schizophrenic]

Quote: svp67

Our country doesn’t have such gifts

This is generally not a gift, as I understand it, in general, fees for railway and gas pipelines. The conditions for writing off are very interesting, when the land is taken away it will be more precisely known about the contract.

[hrych]

A colleague, this is not a simple debt forgiveness, but a great prospect to put one of the Asian tigers on a gas needle, tie the north for transit, giving them the poor an income, etc. In the future, the loot will not just pay off. Most importantly, the pipe will bring peace to the Korean people. Moreover, South Korea in all respects is a competitor to Japan, giving it a head start in the form of cheap pipe gas, which will entail an avalanche of mutually beneficial contracts, will simply cause unacceptable damage to the economy of imperial Japan hostile to us.

[Bayonet]

Quote: hrych

giving them to the poor an income item, etc.

These poor people rivet more missiles, and they will continue to starve.

[hrych]

They just had no way out, the country was under severe sanctions from all the items of income, the state had decent reserves of gold, which the world behind the scenes secretly robbed and this was done through "fraternal" China, so they have to bristle missiles like a hedgehog from hyenas, and let them out of the ass bad plutonium gas in order to somehow scare away scavengers. And here there will be a GTS, it's just life for them, and there will be tanks with oil and other chemistry in South Korea, which, you see, will refuse from the problematic Middle Eastern oil.

[Arhj]

In any case, they are riveting rockets even without our transit fee. But the fact that today spheres of influence spread along railways and pipelines is true. A very interesting project in the framework of a turn to the east. And let Europe choke on words about how good it is to live without Russia and our energy carriers.

[VAF]

Quote: hrych

, and a great prospect to put one of the Asian tigers on a gas needle, tie the north for transit, giving them the poor an income, etc.

I agree, +! But only with one big BUT !!! BUT ... if we had gas (as a public asset was .. well, at least for free and even bonuses for citizens from the sale ... I don’t need to give countries an example and how they develop and build there ???).

And so .. another na ...... !!!

[hrych]

Well, at least the state employees (including the army) are paid from these revenues and then forward. And if with regards to the oligarchs, they need to be very sorry, using Russian riches, they seem to be blissful in paradise, but temporarily, their fates are different, but sad in their own way, someone lived on the bunks for years, someone hooked on a scarf in the toilet, and most of us somehow suddenly left us, such as Livshitsa, Sobchakov, Gaidarov, Pochinov, etc.

[Penzuck]

You said a lot, I almost agree with you, but this pearl: "free gas for the people", please explain. You probably don't remember when you bought BREAD fresh to feed the piglets, thereby showing disrespect for the product that is all over the place. In my opinion, a person should pay for gas, electricity, water, otherwise - neglect of savings, cost overruns, etc. Then, what are the bonuses, for example? The profit from the sale of gas goes to a company that is partially non-state-owned (i.e., the state can only receive income from taxes). Next: where does this profit go? Where the shareholders will send it: for the development of the company, for sponsored kindergartens and other facilities (whoever has a conscience, otherwise some will throw off the balance of sports facilities, cultural facilities, etc. and everything will bend), some dividends will be taken by the shareholder yourself (in America, let's say, etc.).
Tell me a method, except for the RSDLPb method, which will make gas not FREE, but affordable and not burdening the budget of each family.

And now about the debt, will the Africans pay off their debts to us in the ngwe, or in kwachas? I think in dollars, and since the state seeks to get rid of green papers, then shouldn't we "forgive" the same debts (thereby reducing the demand for the dollar in the world), having received, instead of an unjustified dollar, an agreement for production, transportation, construction of a nuclear power plant etc.

[I do not care]

Quote: hrych

A colleague, this is not a simple debt forgiveness, but a great prospect to put one of the Asian tigers on a gas needle,

Not just one, almost all present and future.

[atalef]

Quote: hrych

A colleague, this is not a simple debt forgiveness, but a great prospect to put one of the Asian tigers on a gas needle,

Is not a fact . and far from a fact, South Korea has received gas from Qatar to this day, it simply differentiates supplies - so that the Arabs do not have a monopoly on supplies. I'm not saying that in 2 years the shale gas will enter the international market

Quote: hrych

tie the north to transit, giving them to the poor an income item, etc. In the future, the loot will not just pay off. The most important trumpet will bring peace to the Korean people

Well, the Korean people will bring peace or not - this is my grandmother as she said in two. In general, S. Korea, as a state in a condition of peace, cannot live without the image of an enemy (who can be blamed for all the troubles of the Korean people) - the regime will quickly throw its paws
Farther . S. Korea is not Ukraine, and under the ideas of his pug number 3, they will have no problem shutting off the gas pipeline (such as not to feed Yu.Korea) - for this matter, they have negotiated an additional payment for transit without problems and I'm not talking about illegal gas extraction - which will be 100% - in general, S. Korea will behave exactly like Ukraine - with the only difference being that Russia has no leverage over S. Korea and the Russian Federation will not dare to jump on it.
So . that who else will hold someone else’s eggs (for forgiven 10 billion) is a question.

Quote: hrych

. Moreover, South Korea in all respects is a competitor to Japan, giving it a head start in the form of cheap pipe gas, which will still entail an avalanche of mutually beneficial contracts, simply inflicting unacceptable damage on the economy of hostile imperial Japan.

Well, first of all, this is understandable. that Yu.Korea would not shake her energy security on the gas pipeline running through S.Korea - that would be generally the height of recklessness. Further - expressive imperialist Japan? You are not in the 19th century. do you live?
Korea will rise, Japan will descend - Russia then what kind of fat from this?
Think of China better. which will receive the same gas - at a very cheap price and which will go to the development of the already powerful China.
If someone says that China does not have far-reaching ambitions (and not in relation to Japan, but to the north), I laugh.
Neither * imperialist Japan * should be afraid - Communist China is a more serious problem.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: atalef

Further - expressive imperialist Japan?

You think rightly, further along the pipeline along the bottom of the Sea of ​​Japan to Japan. And China, one way or another, in five years, or even earlier, the first economy of the world, is better with the Russian pipeline and the road.

Quote: atalef

I'm not saying that in 2 years the shale gas will enter the international market

An old Russian proverb says:
-Chicken in the nest and the testicle in .... (not demolished).

[hrych]

At the end of the Korean War, neither with Pug No. 1, nor with Pug No. 2, nor with Pug No. 3, the war has not yet been unleashed, and this is already more than 60 years old, which already says a lot, at least stability and with all the pathos about the wisdom of the rulers. How Nezalezhnaya behaved, not a single transit country behaves, I recall that on the way to Western Europe the pipe goes through a bunch of countries, such as the Czech Republic, Poland, Romania, etc., which always paid at world prices and on time and they were and are happy that the pipe goes through them. Only eternally dissatisfied Kraintsy have problems, but you know that this country ended badly. Lack of leverage for the Russian Federation to the North may now exist, but with the pipe and the piece of iron, they will appear, I’ll remind you that this will boost the DPRK’s economy and there are large reserves of non-ferrous metals where Russian companies will probably have a green light.
Don’t worry about the PRC, they didn’t immediately consider how the main consumers of gas have their own coal, and they don’t care about the environment in industry, and they don’t give a damn about their citizens, who would use the gas in stoves and boilers the project is tied specifically to South Korea and it is not for nothing that the pipe is led along, or rather past the Chinese border, to the Korean peninsula. The Qatari and hypothetical American liquefied natural gas will naturally not be able to compete with the pipe by definition, the price will be incommensurable and with a decrease in energy costs, the cost of production relative to competitors will be reduced. In the omission of Japan, the Russian Federation is a direct fat because there is still no peace treaty, which means we are at war.

[atalef]

Quote: hrych

At the end of the Korean War, neither with Pug No. 1, nor with Pug No. 2, nor with Pug No. 3, the war has not yet been unleashed, and this is already more than 60 years old, which already says a lot, at least stability and with all the pathos about the wisdom of the rulers.

About wisdom - You made fun. Look at South Korea - this is wisdom and look at North. comments are unnecessary

Quote: hrych

How Nezalezhnaya behaved, not a single transit country conducts, I recall that on the way to Western Europe the pipe goes through a bunch of countries, such as the Czech Republic, Poland, Romania

Well, these are stable countries with normal governments - to call S. Korea a normal country with an adequate government is ridiculous. Remember how he, by closing and opening a joint industrial zone with South Korea (while losing almost 2 billion dollars), blackmailed South Korea.

Quote: hrych

The lack of leverage for the Russian Federation to the North may now exist, but with a pipe and a piece of iron, they will appear,

how ?
Did you influence Ukraine a lot? When she dabbled with a valve - only S. Korea or Ukraine - the people there are different, and the pug says - they’ll bite this pipe with his teeth

Quote: hrych

that it will spur the economy of the DPRK and there are large reserves of non-ferrous metals, where Russian companies will probably have a green light.

Oh oh All 60 years of Kim’s rule speak only about one thing - did they mean all allies and put a bolt on all obligations - or explain to me - why did they not repay such glorious 10 billion debts?

Quote: hrych

this whole project is tied specifically to South Korea and it’s not for nothing that the pipe is led along, or rather past the Chinese border to the Korean peninsula

Only South Korea understands the same perfectly through whom the pipe passes and it is definitely impossible to trust him.

Quote: hrych

. The Qatari and hypothetical American liquefied natural gas will naturally not be able to compete with the pipe by definition, the price will be incommensurable and with a decrease in energy costs, the cost of production relative to competitors will be reduced

so what ? Is it from this that gas will be cheaper? Ukraine won the very same thing - why the hell was the army for it? It has a Budapest agreement - the USA and Russia - the guarantor of the country's integrity - as a result, they would have remained without Crimea, and if there was a strong army - a question.
Can't find an analogy? You can chase after deshovytsm gas, and then in an instant Kim will block the pipe - and the arctic fox.

[hrych]

You can certainly laugh, but the state, with all the difficulties naturally organized from outside, continues to exist. Senior Kim, if you please tell me an outstanding politician, creator of the state, etc. It's too early to talk about puffy, it is still thinning out relatives there, but the fact that Kim Jong Il was a wise ruler is also recognized by the enemies, because retained the state in such difficult conditions, not only left the country in the form of a nuclear power with missile technology, which speaks volumes. Now in the economy there is a fierce competition, where cost reduction allows to reduce the retail price of goods, they will buy it, namely, the South Korean concerns in all areas from electronics to engineering and shipbuilding compete with Japan. This is not surprising, because Americans created their economy according to one scheme, the only thing Japan had was a handicap in time. But if energy consumption in industry is reduced, and this is inevitable with cheap gas, a victory in the market is guaranteed. Again, you don’t need to be afraid of the shut-off valve, the terminals for liquefied gas will remain and in this case gas storages will be created, as in Germany. Well, pukhlik will understand that Russia’s interests are already being affected here, and she hasn’t died recently, remembering the fate of Georgia and the Country, she’s not joking, and why not lose your income. Yes, the Kimov family itself rules thanks to Russia, well, of course, the United States did not even get their hands on them when Russia was weak, the priority was in the Arab oil world and Afghanistan, like the navel of Eurasia, where the United States had torn, only its navel.

[falcon]

Quote: svp67

No one gave such gifts to our country ... The states still pay for "Lend-Lease" ...

Surprising is the speed with which debts are forgiven. And always for cancellation
appears Storchak. Gas pipeline construction - mutually beneficial project, DPRK
will profit from transit, again new jobs. What for
write off debts? The motivation is surprising - they say that they still have nothing to take from them.
So it is, but let the debt hang as an instrument of possible pressure
in case the Koreans decide to buck. The feeling that we will be soon
also pay money to debtors so that they agree to write them off
debt. :))

[Alan]

It's a pity that I can only put one plus on; the state does not write off debts for our people, even if there is nothing to take, the TV will be taken away by the janitors to work; Indeed, if there is nothing to take, let the debt hang, maybe the grandchildren will find a way to return the money, and now there is neither money nor an instrument of pressure (albeit hypothetical), but the constructed pipe can be "squeezed out" under the pretext of fighting the oppressors.

[sso-xnumx]

I agree. If all the debts handed out by the USSR and the current government were returned to their homeland, Oh, how much could be done for these denyuzhki! At least the same roads, from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok, 6 lanes in each direction, and to each living village a NORMAL road should be extended, not a dirt road. Yes, he will remain at first-aid posts !!!!

[Mareman Vasilich]

Quote: svp67

The states are still paying for Lend-Lease ...

Is it, not already ...?

[raven75]

In the 70s, they paid for the Lend-Lease. Otherwise, now it would be howling ...

[Gradus HuK]

Cuba must be supported. This is a fast post near the most bloodthirsty power.

[Pimply]

Quote: svp67

No one gave such gifts to our country ... The states still pay for "Lend-Lease" ...

Talk nonsense. Russia serves international debts, but not under Lend-Lease

[svetlomor]

Now the Ukrainians will begin to cry, the Koreans have been forgiven, and demand from the brothers, it’s not good.

[pensioner]

Quote: svetlomor

Now the Ukrainians will begin to cry, the Koreans have been forgiven, and demand from the brothers.

In-in. With tongue removed.

[chunga-changa]

So they themselves sing at all corners - "we are not brothers, we have never been and never will be." We go to a meeting so to speak. In 2004, he explained to one stubborn fellow that they do not consider us brothers leads nowhere and is not particularly interesting to anyone, but when the Russians believe in this and stop considering Vukraintsy as brothers, then the most interesting will begin.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: chunga-changa

But when the Russians believe in it, and cease to be considered brothers of the Vukraintsev, then the most interesting thing will begin

I hope this never happens. We are one people, one root.
The troubles will pass, the foam will settle (preferably in prisons!) And we will have a single federation of Slavic peoples. Now it’s hard to believe, but it will be so!

[VAF]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

The troubles will pass, the foam will settle (preferably in prisons!) And we will have a single federation of Slavic peoples. Now it’s hard to believe, but it will be so!

Hi Sasha!
Unfortunately, this can be FORGOTTEN once and for all.
In the best case, there will be East and West, but this is in the best, but for now it is coming to the fact that there will be a West and its slave colonies with governors Gauleiter!
The people in Ukraine were lured.zapudrili..what do you want to think of a synonym ... but ... before the eyes of a "foreign passport", a visa-free entry to a gay ropa and a sea of ​​eureka in their pockets ..... all ... go like a donkey for a carrot.
It’s just that our media doesn’t show everything the same, but in fact ... sadness ... here a little. So to speak .. without denominations.
The freshest "photo session"

Odessa:

Lugansk:

I won’t continue .. to spoil my mood. Maidanutykh ... sea
I repeat, while our TOPs will be tolerated and the Nazis will be called partners. provide another month, etc. and so on. And so it will be. Unfortunately!!!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: vaf

At best, there will be East and West,

Good afternoon, Seryozha!
Ours want to separate "goats from lambs" through federalization. Promote a pro-Russian leader to the presidency, economically tie South-V to oneself by orders and then gradually win Ukraine over to its side. This can still be done. If this is not done, then we will get a second Poland, only close by. And this, oh how, I would not like!

[VAF]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Ours want to separate "lambs from goats" through federalization

\
Sasha, I can only answer this - "hopes .. they feed the youth" or ... "pretend to be present." or "no-pontoon attempts" .. you can go on and on .. quote the Great Helmsmen. but just mind you ... it was all AND ????

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

To bring a pro-Russian leader to the presidency, tie South-East orders economically to you, and then gradually draw Ukraine to your side.

It's like in a Hochland advertisement - "it's just ... fantastic" since elections have already been "drawn" President Poroshenko, or do you think that they do not have their own storyteller Churov and there cannot be a 147% turnout ????

And to do already, unfortunately, there is NOTHING ... to throw anywhere ... a wedge is everywhere ... but in the art of war there is a doctrine - "delay is like death", but ... unfortunately, the post of the Supreme Command (concurrently) is chosen , and MO .. are appointed ... so we slurp a full spoon ... from impotence!

[alicante11]

And what is so terrible about Ukraine? The South-East was in fact separated from Ukraine. The juntats cannot do anything. VVP said that we do not recognize the elections. That is, the situation is at least mothballed. Although I am sure that this will not end the matter and Novorossiya will exist and now the question is being decided not about its existence, but about its borders.

[VAF]

Quote: alicante11

And what is so terrible about Ukraine?

Still ahead. Yes and not everyone is talking .. for people Even the super-optimist Dmitry Olegovich and then .. for the replacement of 2.5 years allocated
There is no separation .. there are temporary pockets of resistance .. no more .. which will be ... well, you know. What will happen.
Or have you seen crowds of thousands of miners ... armed with picks and marching to Kiev ???
No. here I am no- but the miners ... guard their mines From whom?? Who needs these heaps and faces ???
So what if we don’t recognize the elections ??? Who needs this ??? UN, PACE, OSCE? I beg of you
There will be no New Russia ... not because Ukraine does not want this. but because .. for this you need to have something iron, unfortunately!
And the iron was not yet arrived stool with Makarkin.
THIS IMHO !!!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: vaf

And unfortunately nothing can be done

Sergei! do not need a minor! Ours will surely come up with something, otherwise they are in vain receive enhanced nutrition and monetary allowance. "The hand of Moscow", I think, is not an empty phrase! The fight for Ukraine is a fight for our future, for the Slavic civilization. And so simply "the director of the FSB 98/99" amers our ancestral lands will not give. The work is underway, but it is invisible to the naked eye. This is the GRU style.
In an extreme case, as you said, Yu-V will come back to us. This is certainly less than we would like, but better than nothing.
In the words of a famous character - we will see!

[VAF]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

In the words of a famous character - we will see!

Alexander. No minor, naked analysis of a military pensioner, no more!
Well, at the expense of Misha Yaponchik .. so if it were so at a meeting in Geneva (from the mouth of Lavrov):
"... Please be quiet, otherwise I will have to do something like this, after which everyone will be uncomfortable. This is not a raid. Maybe it looks like a raid, but this is a completely different matter! So I propose to donate voluntarily for the needs working people and revolution. Now the comrades will walk and gather who is rich in what. "
Then it would be comme il faut. in the meantime ..... despite the tragedy of the situation, still quote:"... Well, Vanya, how is the revolution? Soon or will we wait? .. Comrades, let's have a beer! Otherwise you start your own revolution, and then I don't know if there will be beer or how ..."

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: vaf

It’s just that our media doesn’t show everything the same, but in fact ... sadness ... here a little. So to speak .. without denominations.

Quote: vaf

Odessa:

Everything is just beginning for them, it will take quite a while before they understand what Europe is, there will be no second Poland, time is not right anymore. Everything that is now in power in Ukraine will be swept away, there will be new heroes and new dreams and aspirations. Now Russia is to blame for them, Europe will be to blame tomorrow, and then they will understand that something is wrong with themselves, but by then the economy will not be very good and the ambition will subside somewhat, then they will remember the brothers.

[Rostislav]

And how did it come to him then? Or is it just starting to understand?

[mad]

Do not confuse the debts of the USSR, newly formed debts. By the way, Russia paid off its part of the USSR's debts, and what they owed us 95 percent was forgiven ... Moreover, there was a muddy scheme - shortly before the "forgiveness" part of the debt was sold for pennies to offshore companies, and after these companies turned to Russia and demanded compensation for their losses, such as once forgiven, themselves are to blame. And they compensated, so billions of dollars were stolen, in fact we paid twice (((By the way, no one (!!!) for this was never punished (((

[svetlomor]

Quote: mad

By the way, Russia paid its part of the USSR’s debts,

Russia paid off all the debts of the USSR, and all the assets and real estate of the USSR abroad were transferred to it, the so-called "zero option" which Kiev recently wanted to challenge.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: svetlomor

Now the Ukrainians will begin to cry, the Koreans are forgiven, and you demand from the brothers,

So Koreans do not require "yaku on gilyak". The Urka-Ints also owe more than the Koreans, and they collected the debts after 91. And this is a completely different story.

[Rostislav]

Will begin to cry, - to remind a saying about a dog that bites a nursing hand, chestnuts from a fire and recommend that you use your mind more often from now on.

[mirag2]

My dream is that we would establish constructive cooperation with South Korea — they actually have advanced technologies in the electronic industry, which we do not need others to start.
And if on this cooperation as a thread to string the connection of both Koreas, this would be an event of historical significance!

[alicante11]

Everything is very simple. We give Kimam modern weapons and they tear the South Koreans to the British flag. Technology in half.

[alicante11]

About how the people of the South Korean Podpin.dos.nikov love. Well - computers, iPads, cars hurt them, and Kims have only hunger and senility in power. Cool zaminusili :), And you, gentlemen, the minusers are aware that if the demons be demolished, then the Americans will stand several tens of kilometers from Vladik?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: mirag2

so that we would establish constructive cooperation with South Korea - they have actually advanced technologies

And not only in the electronics industry, but also in shipbuilding. True, the first steps have already been taken to build a super-shipyard in the Bay of Five Hunters. Ships will make deadweight up to 350 thousand tons

Quote: mirag2

on this cooperation how to string the connection of both Koreas

United Korea - New Asian Tiger! This would complicate the geostrategic situation in the Asia-Pacific region.
In 2's, hungry, fanatical northerners are morally stronger than economically successful southerners. The question of ownership, of the peaceful existence of two systems under one blanket of government is an extremely complex question. China, won’t be able to digest Hong Kong, although the rulers of China are much wiser and more seasoned than Kim.
Therefore, the path can only be a long peaceful growth of the weaker economy of the north into a strong economy of the south. But conflicts on ideological grounds cannot be avoided. In the North, no one wants to surrender their imperial privileges and part with unlimited power. At least that’s how it seems to me. Maybe I’m wrong: EAST IS A THIN CASE!

[Revolver]

With a black sheep, even a tuft of wool ... And a railway line to South Korea - this can be interesting, especially if you shake out its extraterritoriality from Kim. But this road will only flow into the Trans-Siberian Railway, but will there be enough bandwidth there?

[Grbear]

Revolver
Judging by the flagpole, you do not need diplomacy, but I agree otherwise.

[mirag2]

Let me correct you - "not in diplomacy," but "in democracy."

[Boa kaa]

Quote: GrBear

Judging by the flagpole, you don’t need diplomacy,

Yes, much more! And such - 14 pieces!

[1goose3]

a black sheep, even a tuft of wool ... And the railway line to South Korea - this can be interesting, especially if you shake out its extraterritoriality from Kim. But this road will only flow into the Trans-Siberian Railway, but will there be enough bandwidth there?

Yes, that's enough. If we compare the peak traffic in Soviet times and current volumes, then a decent supply. Infrastructure has not become worse, but rather the opposite. Another conversation motion control is lame. They dispersed the specialists, who himself left. But if a question arises, then the question is solved.

[atalef]

Quote: 1goose3

A railway line to South Korea

What for ? Like a question.
What to transport and from where? How much will it cost ?
I'm not talking about different track widths,
To carry what would justify the construction of this route?
Koreans still have the entire infrastructure of the 60s + steam locomotives. those. will have to build a completely new one and even across the whole of S. Korea - and after how much time will it pay off? What will we carry?
A joint project ? This is a Russian investment - and Korean profits. Than Korea will repay debts. Or in 10 years they will forgive the next 10 billion.

[atalef]

Quote: Nagan

especially if you shake out its extraterritoriality from Kim.

Can Kims be trusted?
Eun is the master of his word - he wanted to give, he wanted to take.
He and so all breeds like suckers (by the way 10 billion forgiven) including.
Do you really think that Yu. Korea. that Japan will trust 100% of the gas pipeline passing through the territory of Kimov? Yes, at least 10 extraterritorialities vybe- who will protect this extraterritoriality?
This gas pipeline can only be auxiliary and so will be related to it.
As a result, the attendants will blow the sea. 10 billion will be forgiven. and neither Korea, nor even Japan will allow it. so that gas consumption from this pipeline would hold more than 15-20% of the market segment. Otherwise, S. Korea with one click of a button or a type undermining a gas pipeline by unknown 9, of course, sent from behind a hill), saboteurs will put that Yu. Korea, that Yapov is on a hungry energy ration.
Therefore, do not inflate empty dreams - in Korea and Japan - the same is not done with a finger - they understand what’s what.

[Alex 1977]

Here are the goodies, that's good.
Here we have a land route to South Korea, and direct access to the North Korean market, where everything is needed, not iPhones and grease for assholes. And we’ll cover the UK, it will now be harder to bomb it, there are objects of the RF infrastructure. Well done.

[mirag2]

The most important thing is that the South Koreans would build modern shipyards in Vladik for us!

[hrych]

All along the stage, from the Sakhalin deposits, they carried out the Sakhalin-Khabarovsk-Vladivostok pipe, not only did our local population gasify, and this is, without exaggeration, a contribution to the future of our nation, but also economic and political expansion into the market of China, Korea and not only. In principle, the scheme is the same as in Europe, although the occupied forge of Europe - Germany, because of gas dealings became our strategic ally, so South Korea is still under the fifth United States, but will be our strategic partner (even before the unification of Germany and fate identical states). Let's just say: Stalin waged a victorious war in the West and there was a Far Eastern front in the Korean battle. Volodka, our Tauride, is waging an irreconcilable war on both fronts, but instead of a sword, gas pipes are pushed into the enemy’s side.

[hrych]

And Japan, an analogue of European Britain, is the same island, the same backward medieval absolutism, Satanism, like state religion, the same envy and hatred of the vast expanses of Russia, the nurse for the old empires, which are taken out on whales and dolphins, and the disgusting cuisine .

[Boa kaa]

Quote: hrych

Volodka, our Tauride, is waging an irreconcilable war on both fronts, but instead of a sword, gas pipes are pushed into the enemy’s side.

Good historical parallel! In May, VVP has a visit to China and the expected signing of an agreement by Gazprom for the annual supply of 38 billion cubic meters of gas. So it would be more correct to compare him with a fisherman who catches hungry industrial sharks (Germany, China) and smaller fish (European servants, S. Korea) with oil and gas bait.

[atalef]

Quote: Alexey 1977

Here we have a land route to South Korea,

And for what ?
By sea from Vladik is easier. safer. no need to invest money and the entire infrastructure is ready

Quote: Alexey 1977

direct access to the North Korean market, where EVERYTHING is needed, not iPhones and ass lubricant.

Here is the grease for this very place sellers need because S. Korea has no attendants and this is the only lubricant. how can they pay

Quote: Alexey 1977

We’ll cover the UK, it’ll be harder to bomb it now, there are objects of the RF infrastructure

whom to bomb? Who needs these hungry people.
To conquer them is more expensive. in fact, what the army is for them - they will all surrender - any paw state will stretch this whole hungry crowd to feed. and even Kimami zombie.

[Igor39]

I wonder what will be built in Cuba for forgiveness of 30 billion?

[Duke]

I wonder what will be built in Cuba for forgiveness of 30 billion?

Maybe a new base in Russia?

[Junior, I]

Cuba will become the second island of Russia, after the Crimea!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Duke

Maybe a new base in Russia?

It would be nice to have a base near the adder!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Bayonet

It would be nice to have a base near the adder!

This is very annoying Yuserov. Let me remind you that at one time in Cuba we had a radio intelligence center in Lourdus (Torrens), a naval base in Cienfuegos, basing centers of the towns of Cabanos, Mariel and Banes for missile boats. After the end of the Caribbean crisis, the center continued to operate for a long time in Lourdus (a suburb of Havana), which cost 20 billion rubles a year, but in January 2002 it was closed.

[VAF]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

but in January 2002 it was closed.

Sasha, and by whose order, then ?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: vaf

and by whose order, then

By agreement in 1998. So VVP fulfilled the conditions of its presidency. I was very "curious", being in office, interested in the reasons for the closure of the CRR. Tete-a-tete knowledgeable people explained to me. After that, I ceased to be so actively interested in the structures of Liberty Island. The arguments of the "nobles" convinced me. But it would not hurt to think about the basing point (PMTO) for the ships of the fleet!

[Riperbahn]

Can build and will not. But as a substitute for the sugar production of the Outskirts, yes. Of course, I wouldn’t write off the Havana Club rum :))))

[Rostislav]

There was a wonderful rum. I would not mind the taste of him.

[Riperbahn]

Great rum. A little harsh for my taste, but otherwise very healthy! :)

[lelikas]

Quote: Riperbahn

Can build and will not. But as a substitute for the sugar production of the Outskirts, yes. Of course, I wouldn’t write off the Havana Club rum :))))

And let them carry cigars, more cigars!

[vas1964]

Railway for railway missile systems.

[vas1964]

Railway for railway missile systems.

[blackhill]

Through Gazprom and Russian Railways, they will earn 100 times more and wait for the payment of debt from a country where deNeg is not an option either, or maybe they’ve conceived and now the bucks are being drained.

[ambiorix]

Navy military base requested in Cuba in exchange for part of the debt

[Grbear]

Navy military base requested in Cuba in exchange for part of the debt

ambiorixAre you so pragmatic that you don't worry about the health of your "partners"? So no way, my friend .

[Semen Semyonitch]

Yes-ah-ah, if the Union did not build communism in all Papuan guineas and Ethiopia, and did not contain half of the world of freeloaders, the states would now be in the position of "Catch up and overtake Russia."

[Starover_Z]

I am not a liberal, I am a resident of the USSR, and yet ...
It’s interesting, where did the funds come from in the Union? They fed half the world of the poor, built everything for them, supported local communist parties in cash.
After the war, it seems that they themselves were recovering! Oil and gas were not traded in such volumes.
Nevertheless, the country was developing, the defense industry was growing by leaps and bounds, housing was free, energy resources were worth a penny. There were not particularly rich, but in my opinion there was no starving either.
For more than 20 years, Russia has not seemed to feed anyone, but it has begun to rise in recent years.
"Where has the money gone over the years, Zin?"

[Samurai3X]

Here I am also a resident of the USSR, although I was born almost at the collapse ...
But to say that everyone was directly satisfied is not worth it.
The USSR swelled HUGE money to peripheral republics. Moldova, Georgia, Central Asia. New buildings were being built there, while, for example, in Tula, the buildings where people lived were falling apart. In general, this was done to the detriment of the RSFSR, the BSSR and the Ukrainian SSR.
My grandfather, a locker of the 1 category since 1968, together with my grandmother, ate boiled potatoes, cereals and (SOMETIMES) herring for almost 15 years. Everywhere there was a shortage of products, which already a large part of the population could not really afford. For cakes, sausages and other rubbish, which now costs a penny, there were always lines. And then people ate it only on holidays: May 9, October, New Year and birthdays (and even then not always).
Can you imagine the QUEUE for pencils? A kind of man in 50? That was also. A QUEUE for milk, which often ends.
Nothing ... We have communism, a bright future and all that. 500 more of the latest tanks and planes for free, for no reason to China. Will they remember good or not?
Now (well, except for Moscow) you can live on a salary in 20-25 thousand. At the same time, buy clothes, cakes, sausages, etc.
Those. Now most of the population is MATERIAL relatively happy. He doesn’t rave about fat, but he has long exceeded the threshold of the USSR 1982. Just then, oil was very expensive and the USSR dough nemeryanno grave. And the population was amusedly hanging noodles, that’s how well they lived under communism, the West never dreamed of !!!
Why am I writing all this? I do not detract from the merits of the Soviet leadership for not bombing our country like Vietnam. Scientific schools were created, the legendary design bureaus, the first man in space. The best army in the world.
But the USSR did this on the HUMP of its people (mainly the Ukrainian SSR BSSR and the RSFSR), mercilessly exploiting it. Because the population did not know the price of their labor. Well, how did the mechanic of the 1 category know that all the work he does in the factory should be paid for at least once every 20 more than he receives? He is told that this is for the sake of your sons and grandchildren! And he sighs, smiles, and continues to plow like a damn. Our population can calmly help the state, tighten its belts, for the good of the fatherland. But tightening belts over 70 years is already too much. And they say that Gorbi is to blame ...

[DPN]

It all depends on the head of state, with a salary of 25 thousand, not when not to buy housing. In the USSR, housing was built 1 square meter per person, but now about, 4 square meter. and even with such a salary, you can safely forget about the sports sections for children.
So the return from SOCIALISM to capitalism, especially ours, is a century back into the past.
As for the food, you are right, you can buy any chemical food, natural just beyond the teeth of the main part of the population. What they have achieved is going abroad, but for the sake of this, the USSR was not worth breaking up.

[soaring]

I totally agree with you! At all 1000% There's nothing to add ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Samurai3X

Here I am also a resident of the USSR, although I was born almost at the collapse ...

This is your ... grief, or something. You have not found the FLOWER OF STAGUE! The USSR was more powerful than ever. We calmly and cheerfully looked at tomorrow, while knowing for sure that tomorrow will be better than yesterday. The Union fed all the CMEA countries (10 pieces), supported the countries of "socialist orientation" - about 20 parasites. The empire developed the outskirts, pulling "very Central Asia" out of the Middle Ages. She had a powerful Armed Forces, and could firmly say to the States - no !, and when they did not agree and climbed where they were not asked, then the Union could organize the victory of the NOD, as it was in Vietnam, Egypt, Cuba ...
And all this was possible, because there was state ownership of everything: subsoil, fixed capital (then they said - funds). Free education (the best in the world, by the way!), Healthcare, free access to culture, sports, science and art. TRP - it was! DOSAAF - was! "Leather ball" and "golden puck" - were! "Zarnitsa" and "Eaglet" - were! "Artek" and, practically free, annual, in three shifts, rest in pioneer camps - were!
Yes, there was a problem with sausage. But everyone in the refrigerator EVERYTHING WAS! There was a shortage of fashionable disruptions, yes. But you could go to the atelier and sew everything you want. Well, and so on.
I will say one thing: not everything is measured by the level of wealth. We were open, friendly, sociable, ready without a team to come to the aid of a UNKNOWN person. There was no addiction, service in the Army - they were proud. Who did not serve, the girls bypassed, considering degenerate. It was...
Then, everything was slowly reborn, and Judas the Marked came with a new thought, then the Drunk BENA ...
But the people endured it all. Only today, with an abundance of disruptions and other consumer goods, there was no confidence in the future, social security, and peace of mind for children, for their future ...
Once I asked one grandfather: Why so dark? He answered simply: - THE SHOWER WAS PUT FROM US, today there is no faith in anything ...
I think that says it all. IMHO.
PS Sorry for a long, just pent.

[VAF]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

PS Sorry for a long, just pent.

But how capacious and EXACTLY !!! +++++!

And ... in the guards sat down Su-27SM3 (here they are exactly with the "Khibiny") and Su-30M2

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: vaf

And ... in the guards sat down Su-27SM3 (here they are exactly with the "Khibiny") and Su-30M2

I'm monitoring here ... next to Polyandia ...
Notify when the air rises - watch

[Samurai3X]

I was mistaken with a discharge ... 4 was with him ... But that is not the point ...
I agree that the upbringing of children was MUCH more attention back then. Now I want to shoot the one who sits in the office of the Minobra. The teacher was a privileged profession. Although most of the schools are now also participating in Zarnitsy. But parents could never afford what they can now. Now many children are in fact being brought up in school. Parents don't care! Although there is progress for the better. Here is my mother, a high school math teacher, she doesn't have a top degree, but she earns 40K + bonuses. I live in the town of Lomonosov near St. Petersburg. The wages are good, but you have to plow like a damn. I think that with the increase in earnings, young normal teachers will come to schools.

About chewing gum, jeans, etc.
This is the plus!
It begins to reach our population that happiness is not in the gear! What they so wanted during the USSR happened, but it didn’t bring much happiness. Now all the little things that people really wanted to eat, but something is missing. After all, how did people become happy when Crimea was annexed? This is the reaction of the people and the West is afraid. Even almost 15 years of propaganda about what the USSR was bad, what Russians are stupid and ignorant, how we were satisfied with all the foreigners (nonsense, but everything was presented like that), was not enough to turn us into what the Ukrainians turned into. In almost all cities, almost an all-Russian holiday was.
This means that the desire for the Russian Federation to be independent, for it to have its own policies and its own decisions on the world stage, so that the world is more equitable does not evaporate, together with the spirit of the USSR ...

[rolik]

Quote: Samurai3X

But the USSR did it on the HUMP of its people

You know, being born in 1971, I perfectly caught the times of stagnation. Yes, I agree, there was no coke, no cola, jeans were in short supply. But ... people did not eat blue whiting and capelin, they bought it for cats and dogs. Giblets were also used to feed domestic animals. Every summer, with my parents, I quietly traveled (by plane) to the south, and after the trip my parents had decent money left. I went to free sections of my choice, received free books at school. There was no particular grocery shortage in stores, it began after the arrival of the marked one. I agree, the products were then packed in gray wrapping paper, and not in bright PVC packaging. But ...... all the products were GOST, and there was no smelly delay on the counter. Gasoline was cheaper than gas-water in a street vending machine .... just imagine it. After school, they went to the university to study absolutely free. And the main thing was ... confidence in the future. I have acquaintances guys, studying at the VTUZ, on the weekend they flew to St. Petersburg - to drink beer on Nevsky)))) A ticket (round trip) cost 3 rubles, the average salary on "Seva" was 500 rubles.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: rolik

And the main thing was ... confidence in tomorrow.

"He who did not love will not understand ..."

[rkkasa xnumx]

Quote: Samurai3X

My grandfather, a 1st-level locksmith, since 1968, together with my grandmother, ate boiled potatoes, cereals and (SOMETIMES) herring for almost 15 years.

1st year locksmith 15 years ?! Such a locksmith does not need to be fed at all.
Maybe all the same, a fitter of the 5th category? Then about potatoes and sometimes !!! herring LITTER complete.

[Semen Semyonitch]

My grandfather is a 1st level locksmith ...

1st grade is a student. After the student give 2nd.

Just then, oil was very expensive and the USSR dough nemeryanno grave.

Unmeasured is how much? 40 dollars?

[DPN]

Over these 20 years, the country has lost millions of people and acquired a bunch of oligarchs and then they got the money.

[max702]

How does this not feed you what ??? And the stabilization fund and other projects ... Yes, they didn’t feed anyone under the USSR as we feed the Western capital now ..

[alicante11]

Communism has nothing to do with it. the Americans surrounded us with their bases and allies. We broke the ring and launched a counteroffensive. Of course, of all the "friends" whom the USSR helped it to, only the Cubans and Syrians, partly the Kims, and the Vietnamese turned out to be friends. The rest did a big policy on the USSR, like Milosevic, or considered that there was no point in a weakened Russia, like Gaddafi.

[ia-ai00]

svp67 SU ... No one gave such gifts to our country ... The states still pay for "Lend-Lease" ...

Unfortunately, in order to have at least some CONDITIONALLY LOYAL countries in relation to yourself, in the modern world, when the availability of $$ becomes the most "valuable" for people, you have to buy this "loyalty", and you will not get away from it, otherwise this "the printing press $$", WILL SWALLOW the whole world, including Russia.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: ia-ai00

otherwise this "printing press $$" WILL SWALLOW the whole world, including Russia.

NEVER THEREFORE!
And I sincerely regret you: FRIENDSHIP FOR DOLLARS IS NOT FOR SALE! Loyalty can be bought, but where is the confidence that paying in a tri-horn, your opponent will not outbid it !? In addition, the printing press runs 24 hours a day

[koksalek]

forgive their citizens too debts?

[Bayonet]

Quote: koksalek

forgive their citizens too debts?

Щ-щ-щ = schaz! Dreaming!

[andrewvlg]

Quote: koksalek

forgive their citizens too debts?

We will not talk about citizens, otherwise we will be accused of personal interest.
But it would be nice for all industrial enterprises to write off their debts for the state. account would be. It would have revived OUR economy, and not all Koreans there ... At least to refinance at a low interest rate. And then only talk that, they say, loans with high interest rates are ruining the industry. And to refinance at close to 0 percent is weak ?! No money in the treasury? And the "debts to forgive" foreigners have money. Agree, there is something unnatural in this, though.

[wolf7]

This is already a blow to NATO for NATO. (If the truth is about the base)

[Jurkovs]

The main thing in this business is a gas pipe and railway, we can tie South Korea to our economy.

[Apollo]

Good day to all

quote-The State Duma of the Russian Federation on the eve of ratified the agreement between the Russian Federation and North Korea on the settlement of debt on Soviet loans: 10 billion US dollars forgiven debt, and another 1 billion US dollars will go to joint projects.

Here, willingly or unwillingly, I remembered the phrase "Russia is a generous soul."

[Basarev]

But in a good way, if you look closely, it turns out that we seek these debts and pay off our own - then big profits shine here.

[DPN]

It just so happened that only envy is experienced in RUSSIA, so no one will ever forgive RUSSIA when. Remember ANTANTA, the whole world came to RUSSIA to profit, and nothing has changed since then, just added mongrel - the former Soviet republics, which are yapping from powerlessness.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: DPN

It just so happened that only envy is experienced in RUSSIA, so no one will ever forgive RUSSIA when ... RUSSIA only added mongrels - the former union republics, which are yapping from powerlessness.

Basically, this is true for the Baltic states, Moldova, Lithuania, Georgia ... The rest have not yet appeared. Ukraine is a special case. Belarus, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan - are mostly loyal.
"Very Central Asia" is a separate case.

[atalef]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

It just so happened that only envy is experienced in RUSSIA,

Well, do not rush - there are a lot of envy

Quote: DPN

on this, no one and when RUSSIA will not forgive

Of course, and Russia is not Cuba - it’s forgiven 32 billion

Quote: DPN

Remember ANTANTA, the whole world came to RUSSIA to profit, or since then nothing has changed

remember the Tataromongol yoke - that’s where the feeding trough was

Quote: DPN

only mongrels were added - the former union republics that are yapping from powerlessness.

But how was the USSR going to restore? With mongrels?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: atalef

Well, do not rush - there are a lot of envy

Dear Israeli namesake! Please be careful: do not ascribe, I ask you, to me that which I did not say!
"It just so happened that only envy towards RUSSIA" - the judgment of the respected DPN, on which I wrote my post. And since you have honored me with your attention, I will allow myself to pamper you with free advice. Learn grammar, "take your time envyОvat! "Good luck!
PS. If you are an "Orthodox Jew", then - CHRIST IS RISEN!

[atalef]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

PS. If you are an "Orthodox Jew", then - CHRIST IS RISEN!

An interesting pun, it's like a Catholic Muslim.
We celebrated our Easter a week ago.
nonetheless
All Orthodox - Christ is risen.

[Penzuck]

atalefu: :) GKHM, it remains only to baptize you correctly and you will become a Russian person.

PS: If you were a Muslim, it would have failed, they kind of believe that Christ is the Prophet, after which comes Mohammed. Therefore, in ancient Muscovy there were cases of accepting the blessings of Muslims from our priests (which does not contradict Islam), Even the icon of the Mother of God of Kazan says something about Allah in Arabic script.
There is an option, as modern Arabs Christians act on the day of the descent of the Holy Fire: "Allah is God, and Isa is his prophet."

[alin12]

The giving hand will not be impoverished!

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Interesting history. Russia paid off the debts of the USSR without harnessing the former republics. Continues to pour money into Ukraine. Forgiven debts to all who can. Cuba is clearly next in line. Russia, however, has not forgiven debts. Every little thing is trying to blather about "occupation". Ukraine refuses to return debt, why are we so nice? It seems like we didn’t hear “Thank you” for that. Some attempts at blackmail and threats. Is it time to stop this practice? Or does the country not need money? ====== Russia has forgiven the DPRK a debt of 10 billion US dollars in exchange for the construction of a railway and a gas pipeline === Then let it forgive me my loan in exchange for the good fulfillment of my duty as a citizen. We are throwing lots of greens, and in the country , in general, not everything is normal yet.

[mig31]

..... and most importantly, that the DPRK does not become another Ukraine ...

[atalef]

Quote: mig31

. and most importantly, that the DPRK does not become another Ukraine ...

It will be worse than Ukraine - you won’t join it and you won’t send green men - and it will do everything that it fits into its head pug.

[alicante11]

Until the Chinese shout ...

[balamut]

yeah, we’ll build a gas pipeline there, and comrade UN will start gas from it, like Ukraine .... And you won’t do anything with it later ...

[miha.ru]

if he has even a drop of his mind he won’t do it; then there will go a chain military reaction

[Alex 1977]

Quote: koksalek

forgive their citizens too debts?

They are poor at all. It is unlikely that they will ever be able to return.
And they should in dollars. Which seems to end.
Either sit and comfort yourself with the thought that they owe us, or get into trouble for these debts that will allow us to return this money and increase them. This is banal pragmatism. Nothing personal, just a win-win business)))
PS North Koreans, unlike other hints, understand and do not refuse profitable offers of GDP. They know that the following will be less profitable, but you still have to accept.

[miha.ru]

you look in this way Russia will serve as the impetus for both Koreans to reunite them! and Putin had to seriously think over the debt of Cuba, because it’s not so close to the United States, but I would say right in front of it, and we just have to think about either clicking on their nose like it did Khrushchev or breaking it with them

[Bayonet]

Forgive again and to whom, these inadequacies? It’s not enough that they’ll hit their heads tomorrow, they will block the pipe or the road in connection with regular graters with southerners. It could be partially forgiven.

[ia-ai00]

The main thing is that the United States is also an ENEMY to them, but as they say: - "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

[Bayonet]

Quote: ia-ai00

The main thing is that the United States is also an ENEMY to them, but as they say: - "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Yes, they are all enemies. About twenty years ago, my comrade on a ship went there - not a single step without supervision! Yes, the regime there is worse than any Western junta! If all the relatives of the uncle who did not like from the machine gun are wet ........

[Bayonet]

I do not understand who these people are who consider the DPRK regime normal. I mean minus points. Let's go to the embassy and apply for a residence permit! True, if they take you there, you will no longer be able to knock on the clave.

[Bayonet]

Yes, men, or I don’t understand something, or North Korean agents are sitting on this site!

[Ivan 63]

Here, in these matters you should not compare yourself with the USA - there are completely different concepts, and with regards to the DPRK, it’s clear that there is nothing to take from a beggar, but (if it’s publicized) now our influence will increase both in North and South Korea, and if if we succeed in combining them (with the condition of neutrality and the withdrawal of the Yanks), then this may serve the further collapse of the islands.

[Children BuryKonya]

Well, at least they got something for their lards, before they wrote off everything in general. Who would forgive us.

[Bayonet]

Yes, no hell, dear Horse, have not yet received! While this is all written on the water with a pitchfork!

[miha.ru]

Quote: Children Bury the Horse

Well, at least they got something for their lards, before they wrote off everything in general. Who would forgive us.

why write off the country that pumps these billions from the ground, so right now the whole west is thinking

[alone]

Russia has forgiven 10 billion DPRK. Well, as they say, the case concerns Russia and the DPRK. The question is this. If you sell them gas, what will they pay?

[Drin]

I think everything is taken into account here, because no one just wants to lose money like that! No matter how today, capitalism and money can be counted.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: lonely

If you sell them gas, how will they pay?

There is such a concept "mutually beneficial exchange", so they will be paid! Their textiles are excellent, natural. True style ... Korean. Well, we will send them our patterns, let them sew on them.
And also - "Large reserves of non-ferrous and alloying metal ores (copper, zinc, lead, nickel, tungsten, molybdenum, etc.). Export of non-ferrous metals is the most important source of foreign exchange."
This is what they will probably pay.

[DPN]

The USSR and RUSSIA are two big differences, so do not confuse horseradish with your finger, especially to exhibit KUBU in debtors. CUBA is the only place where Russia can speak on equal terms with the United States, everything else is from the evil one. And what kind of debts can we talk about, if we are only talking about going to Russia, as a last resort, as long as the USA exists and on the condition that RUSSIA does not want to go under the same USA, which proves now that RUSSIA is being taxed with economic sanctions. So if the USSR tamed the KUBU, and if RUSSIA is considered to be a receptionist and wants to be on equal footing with the United States, the KUBU should be worn on hands, and not twisted her hands.

[alicante11]

And what kind of debts can we talk about, if we talk only about going to Russia.

There is socialism. We have capitalism. It’s not very good for the Cubans, and you also suggest that our oligarchs be hung on them. So only if the socialist way of life is maintained. Then, due to the elimination of sanctions, Cuba can make an economic breakthrough.

[Roman1970]

I agree completely! Cuba needs to forgive all debts and maintain friendly relations! It is painfully well geographically located in relation to the United States.

[Giant thought]

A good solution in the current situation. But just to make it all our property. And decent prospects are drawn in this case.

[tnship2]

Understand and forgive.

[Tra-ta-ta]

Of course, there are strategic directions ... but if everyone is "understood and forgiven", then we will never rise, and our women in the Far East will give birth from foreigners, which is already noticeable now ...

[Drin]

Russia is turning east.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Drin

Russia is turning east.

It’s just that we looked more closely at our eastern neighbors to understand: what exactly did the States go to in the Asia-Pacific region?
But it turns out there is not a plowed field of opportunities for economic growth and strengthening of one's position. And most interestingly, everyone needs our cooperation! So, we will lead things to the general benefit and pleasure of the parties!

[cerbuk6155]

NORTH KOREA must not only write off the debt, but also annually provide military-economic assistance. In the Far East, this is ours, we can say the only ally who in cases of war will really fight on our side. And they live poorly because no one helps, and they have nothing special to sell. And if some who want to take off their last pants from the poorest people, then I think they are on the way only with NATO and the United States.

[Apollo]

Quote: cerbuk6155

NORTH KOREA must not only write off debt

The State Duma heeded your thoughts

Quote: cerbuk6155

but also annually provide military-economic assistance.

forgot to mention the word free of charge otherwise, the future generation of Russian citizens will have to pay.

Quote: cerbuk6155

In the Far East, this is our only ally.

Is there an agreement on military-political assistance ?!

Quote: cerbuk6155

which in cases of war will really fight on our side

why on earth ?!

Quote: cerbuk6155

And because they live poorly

Just not Kim.

Quote: cerbuk6155

that no one helps

Reforms need to be carried out.

Quote: cerbuk6155

and they don’t have much to sell

Japan also has no minerals.

Quote: cerbuk6155

And if some who want to take off their last pants from the poorest people, then I think they are on the way only with NATO and the United States.

No comment.

[saag]

Quote: DPN

if we talk only about going to the composition of RUSSIA.

new Gaster in Moscow will be announced - Latinos :-)

[DPN]

And on which member of MOSCOW do rubber? to establish life throughout the country and not only in it. And even if ANY RUSSIAN can visit MOSCOW, then there will not be many who want to live in it.

[Vadim12]

If Eunu quarrels with the south, he will immediately block the gas to South Korea ... He will abide by the agreement or who knows.

[Apollo]

Quote: Vadim12

Should Unu quarrel with the south, he will immediately block the gas to South Korea ..

If the pipeline is built, the DPRK will act as a transit rather than a supplier. Russia will act as a supplier.

[1812 1945]

Correct solution. It would be nice to conclude some other military-political agreement, without immutable obligations. Observer status in the CSTO, for example. There are many reasons ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Euna time to tame .. and In South Korea "invade" As they say, we go from the rear to the staff! Oh, and the screeching will begin ..

[VeteranS]

Japan and South Korea have very strained relations, since the time of the Japanese occupation during the Second World War, and they want to trade with us, so we need to bind all of them to our gas pipe and oil and get modern technology from them. And it is better to be friends with the DPRK, they well remember how the USSR helped them in the 1950 Korean War, and it is simply not realistic to take away debts from a half-starved, but aggressive state.

[Russian jacket]

Eun is our son of a bitch.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Russian quilted jacket

Eun is our son of a bitch.

Not ours ..! This is an Amer project ..! With this they supply South Korea with weapons and Japan too .. There China is nearby!

[Lelek]

Kim Jong-un is neither ours nor American. He is a free-standing son of a bitch, constantly creating problems at our side. Its main task is to maintain power over the stupid zombie population, which the Kim clan does quite successfully during the third generation.

[Bayonet]

Lovely! Bravo !!!!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Russian quilted jacket

n this is our son of a bitch

Why, he’s men, one hundred pounds! Tighten your brains.

[Nayhas]

It’s difficult to come up with a more idiotic decision.
What will the Kimov regime do after starting the gas pipeline and building the railway branch, select the answer options:
A) Brazenly using gas trying to make round eyes (it’s hard for them to have), they say we have no idea where it disappears;
B) Extort money from Russian Railways and Gazprom under the threat of blocking railways and gas pipelines;
C) Honestly comply with established agreements;
Further, the idea was voiced "to tie the Republic of Korea to itself with gas." What a naivety, they develop without our gas in such a way that we never dreamed of. Moreover, they are allies of the United States and support all the sanctions established by them; it will not work to intimidate them by cutting off gas supplies.

[andrewvlg]

Quote: Nayhas

It’s difficult to come up with a more idiotic decision.
What will the Kimov regime do after starting the gas pipeline and building the railway branch, select the answer options:

And why are we so vividly discussing the construction of railways and pipelines?
So far, the article states:

Russia in exchange hopes implement in the DPRK the projects of the Russian Railways and Gazprom.

Agree, one thing hope, another thing is to prepare a joint project. Unfortunately, I did not dig deep into this issue, but I would like to emphasize that there is no specificity here.
And to make a statement that we are writing off debts, they say, not just like that, but hoping for cooperation (where is the agreement?), Every smart politician can.
Yours faithfully,

[kelevra]

It would be more expedient to set up a military base there, as opposed to the American base in South Korea. Maybe then it will become calmer!

[demoniac1666]

Maybe, maybe, though not considering the most adequate leadership of this country, it will be a rather risky venture! No matter how they dragged us into the war.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: kelevra

It would be more expedient to place a military base there, as opposed to an American base in South Korea

We do not have vital interests there. And you need to pay for the base (lard that way 20-30!). Therefore, the counterweight of South Korea and Japan in this region is China, with whom we have established partnerships.

Quote: kelevra

Maybe then it will become calmer!

I think finding our base in the UK will only provoke Eun. God knows what he can get into his "square" head. And with an atomic bomb behind the Russian Federation and in his hands, this figure can rush to "Unite the North and South of the country." Then there will definitely be an ass. The atomic blackmail of the northerners is in everyone's mind.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

One of the main projects should be the construction of a gas pipeline through the territory of the DPRK, a project that Gazprom is working on.
They are doing everything right ..! Debt one hu will not give up .. And South Korea is a solvent country! Mattresses there rule with the Japanese .. And we climb into the gas pipe to them.)))

[demoniac1666]

The Americans act in the same way: first, long-term loans, then loans to pay off loans, then more, then writing off debts in exchange for any preferences (economic, political). The whole difference is that they have a printing press, but we do not !!!

[Verdent]

No need to be indignant, a very deliberate move. Those debts that were forgiven to Cuba, and now the forgiven debt of the DPRK - no one was ever going to repay, they simply would not have found the means. It’s very wise to use these debts in a political way, forgiving them - the Russian Federation is strengthening cooperation and pushing it in areas that are advantageous to us, then we will win even more money on this gas pipeline than the amount we have forgiven.

[Lelek]

Categorically, but not entirely true. Forgiveness is not necessary in any case. First, loans must be given secured; secondly, the return of Soviet loans is needed by agreements that are equivalent for Russia, the amount of debt. And how it will look "in nature" is a matter for diplomats, financiers and ministries.

[Finoll]

In principle, it was necessary to do something with this debt, but I don’t understand why it is impossible to make one bank state in the Russian Federation and let every citizen of the Russian Federation have the right, at least once in his life)), the right to a loan without interest or at the inflation rate per apartment and car .

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: FinDoll

In principle, it was necessary to do something with this debt, but I don’t understand why it is impossible to make one bank state in the Russian Federation and let every citizen of the Russian Federation have the right, at least once in his life)), the right to a loan without interest or at the inflation rate per apartment and car .

Well, if everyone takes .. as you want, then traffic jams in all of Russia will be like in Moscow)) But seriously, that is, the "young family" program gives money irrevocably for the purchase of housing, many families have used this and the sums are solid!

[kolobok3.62]

Once upon a time, the border of the Russian Empire passed along the Great Wall of China. and South and North Korea, and the port of Arthur, and 25% of the present territory of China were the territory of the Russian Empire. So it is not surprising that Russia is trying to regain its original lands.

[nnz226]

They wrote off the debt and lay the gas pipeline and the railway - they hope !!! Are you completely stupefied ?! Immediately it was necessary to sign all the documents in a package! We write off the debt - we obtain permission and guarantees for the construction of routes! And so: Koreans are good guys, but the DPRK and South Korea, like a cat and a dog, because of politics (someone shot somewhere), everything will be canceled at the last moment!

[Bayonet]

nnz226 - I support you 100%!

[fly fishing]

North Korea is not Ukraine, with stricter discipline, just a little - shooting.
Rather than requiring forever debts that are unlikely to be repaid, it is much more profitable to cooperate.
Accumulated grievances will not lead to friendship. The people there are hardworking and can live within their means.
(although there are doubts, but the contract is necessary correctly conclude)

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: fly fishing

North Korea is not Ukraine, with stricter discipline, just a little - shooting.
Rather than requiring forever debts that are unlikely to be repaid, it is much more profitable to cooperate.
Accumulated grievances will not lead to friendship. The people there are hardworking and can live within their means.
(although there are doubts, but the contract is necessary correctly conclude)

Well done ! you think geopolitically .. This project of Russia will bring a big plus, and not only in profit ..!

[Bayonet]

I am surprised at you! Debts are debts and it doesn’t matter whether good people (damn the second time I correct them - emotional expressions don’t pass) or civil ones - the main thing is HOW to take them for the benefit of your country!

[project sity]

Poor Korean people. Well, at least that way the debt is compensated, and the Americans are evil. Let them choke on ourselves, but we will support the economy and relations with the Koreans.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Your sarcasm is clear .. North Korea is not so simple and not so poor as Western media write ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: MIKHAN

.. DPRK is not so simple and not so poor

Well you give Meehan! - "not so poor" - okay, Mikhan Zhvanetsky would say!

[Free wind]

An interesting situevina is obtained. The debt was taken from the USSR, that is, from the people. But the debt is forgiven for the sake of Gazprom and Russian Railways, that is, for the sake of several aligarchs. Don't you think this is a crime? Saying that Gazprom is a state-owned enterprise is unnecessary. Locksmith of the first category, or rather a laborer of the first category. how to say so as not to offend anyone, According to such a tariff schedule, labor was paid, let's say a student of a digger. The normal locksmith had 4-6 categories. And if someone's ancestors ate boiled potatoes, for 15 years without learning how to fry it, then yes, then the USSR is to blame. All the holiday !!!! CHRIST IS RISEN !!!!!!!

[Bayonet]

Thank you brother! All a Happy Holiday!

[VeteranS]

The decision is pragmatic, geopolitically and strategically correct! The USA will frown even more and spit in our direction, but these are their problems!

[Takashi]

Dear, my, Russian government.

Sorry, I have a Mortgage - taken by me for 15 years at the Russian Sberbank.
For there is no more urine.

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With the cost of a normal apartment at 2..3 million rubles (I take into account economy-class housing and private homes, at a rate of 35 rubles = $ 1, it turns out ~ $ 86 thousand.) That is, 10 mln / 86 thousand = 10 000 000 000/86 000 = 116279 apartments \ houses for Russians

[alicante11]

Perhaps the Russian states would forgive, but Sberbank is unlikely :).

[archi.sailor]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

United Korea - New Asian Tiger!

Let the Republic of Korea first feed 24 million North Koreans, and then become the new Asian tiger. IMHO.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: archi.sailor

Let the Republic of Korea First Feed 24 Million North Koreans

As my chief of staff Boris K. used to say - "Shit question!"

The northerners feed themselves (and not only!) give them only a patch of fertile land and seed. Even without equipment, they will harvest a record harvest and save each vegetable until the next. Mom told how Koreans grew onions in Sakhalin. So my parents had never eaten such a sweet and large onion before and after. And the secret was simple: the Koreans also threw a smelt carcass under each seedling. Then we watered and watered as it should, and not as it was on the farm: planted and let it grow. What grows is good! My father was a pilot, so he says more industrious "hunfuz" did not see anyone. Hardworking and unpretentious in anything. And there is no need to talk about discipline and collectivism ...
So, the North will feed itself, there’s no need to worry!
By the way, the northerners are not 24, but 24 and 7 of the tenth million people, which is closer to 25 million.
This is to say that the army of the Republic of Kazakhstan was about 660 thousand people ... So 700 thousand will cover them.

[Bayonet]

Have you read juche ??? Everything is necessary to the best of my friend!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Lenochka

I was also minus when I wrote against Putin. Let's say goodbye to foreign countries at a time when the population of the Russian Federation will soon stretch their legs.

To invest in NPOs? I plus you ..)))

[Bayonet]

What the hell legs ??? There are continuous traffic jams in the city - there is no way to get through! This must have been picked up from the poor cars!