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Defense Ministry: NATO is three times Russia superior in armored vehicles in Europe

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Defense Ministry: NATO is three times Russia superior in armored vehicles in Europe

Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov said on Wednesday on the Vesti 24 TV channel that NATO troops in Europe have a threefold advantage in tanks and armored vehicles in front of the Russian.


"NATO has 10 thousand tanks in Europe, and we have 3,5 thousand. NATO has 22 thousand armored vehicles, we have about 7,5 thousand. This is a good example," RIA quoted him as saying "News».

At the same time, the deputy minister stressed that Russia is in compliance with all international agreements.

Thus, in the framework of the agreement on the destruction of medium and shorter-range missiles, Russia destroyed about a thousand ballistic and ground-based cruise missiles, eliminated 825 launchers and more than 3 thousands of nuclear warheads.

The deputy minister added that information that Russia allegedly threatens Ukraine and Europe with a military invasion is "nonsense."

“All the horror stories that Russia is hanging over Ukraine today, and tomorrow Russia will almost not reach the English Channel, Bordeaux and the Cote d'Azur - all this is nonsense. We are engaged in normal daily activities aimed at increasing the combat readiness and combat capability of the Armed Forces, ”said Antonov.

He also refuted statements by the West that the Russian Federation continues to concentrate troops on the border with Ukraine. According to him, the concentration numbers in 200 thousand people, 120 thousand, 100 thousand, 60 thousand, 40 thousand were called, “they are now saying that on the border of 30 thousand”.

“All these figures from the evil one are elements of dishonest information war,” said Antonov. He recalled that over the past month, seven inspections were carried out at the border of Russia and Ukraine, and the inspectors had the opportunity to photograph military convoys and communicate with commanders.

“Following the results, we were not told that any activity is causing concern,” the deputy head of the military department concluded.

On the eve, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen reported that the alliance received recommendations from military experts to strengthen the defense capability of the alliance, some of them can be applied soon.

Before that, he said that NATO does not discuss military actions in connection with the situation in Ukraine, and noted that it is necessary to find a political solution to the conflict.

Answering the question whether the deployment of NATO permanent bases in Eastern Europe is possible, he said: “We are now considering further steps to strengthen our collective defense, as I noted, they also include what I would call an adequate deployment (of forces). But it is still a bit early to go into the details of how we specifically strengthen our collective defense. ”

Rasmussen expressed concern about the events in the east of Ukraine and called on Russia to de-escalate the crisis. He is convinced that Moscow is “trying to determine and dictate the course to Ukraine,” and has already threatened Russia with “deeper international isolation.”

Before that, NATO tried to substantiate its position on the situation in Ukraine by publishing a response to the main, from the point of view of the North Atlantic alliance, arguments of Russia.

As stated by the Russian Foreign Ministry, NATO does not care about the speediest normalization of the situation in Ukraine, but uses the political crisis in this country as an attempt to rally the ranks in front of an imaginary external threat.
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  1. Alexgs
    Alexgs April 17 2014 12: 28
    +6
    For every enemy armada of tanks, we have our own 24 panfilovites.
    1. Bronis
      Bronis April 17 2014 12: 31
      +45
      Quote: AlexGS
      For every enemy armada of tanks, we have our own 24 panfilovites.

      and where else have 4's been forgotten? Their own 28?
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r April 17 2014 12: 34
        +54
        e where else 4 have forgotten?


        At school in a history lesson under the program of Fursenko and Lebanon! fool
        1. Bronis
          Bronis April 17 2014 12: 39
          0
          Quote: neri73-r
          At school in a history lesson under the program of Fursenko and Lebanon!

          but no. in many textbooks about the defense of Moscow - a couple of sentences.
          1. crazyrom
            crazyrom April 17 2014 22: 51
            +1
            There is no point in comparing how many thousands of tanks anyone has if, after the first three tricks of our shots, their soldiers will cry and run to a psychologist for stress. Look, our su-24 unarmed flew over their ship and that’s all, 27 layoffs, the rest to a psychologist, and we haven’t shot it yet.

            Well, or in another way I say: damn 10000 tanks? Yes, we are tormented to export trophies ...
            1. Mishut37rf
              Mishut37rf April 18 2014 00: 39
              0
              The problem is not trophies ... What if they sue? You forgot about the rights of poor gay men and drug addicts! Fear comrades! PS And I have a 25th birthday! Who is burning the embassy with me? This is a flash mob called.
              1. Mishut37rf
                Mishut37rf April 18 2014 00: 45
                0
                And the word "s" is not printed here!
              2. Mishut37rf
                Mishut37rf April 18 2014 00: 48
                0
                Does "pendossiy" work like that?
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 17 2014 12: 47
        +11
        Quote: Bronis
        and where else have 4's been forgotten? Their own 28?

        It arithmetic mean with 26 Baku commissars - I heard a ringing, and from which belfry - I didn’t know laughing
        1. patsantre
          patsantre April 17 2014 18: 24
          +1
          But you are literate) the arithmetic mean here is 27.
    2. alex-s
      alex-s April 17 2014 12: 33
      +4
      Rasmussen expressed concern about the events in the east of Ukraine and called on Russia to de-escalate the crisis. He is convinced that Moscow is “trying to determine and dictate the course to Ukraine,” and has already threatened Russia with “deeper international isolation.”


      I don’t understand either a moron, or pretends to be ?! Better call the lamb! fool
      1. svetlomor
        svetlomor April 17 2014 12: 37
        +5
        Thus, in the framework of the agreement on the destruction of medium and shorter-range missiles, Russia destroyed about a thousand ballistic and ground-based cruise missiles, eliminated 825 launchers and more than 3 thousands of nuclear warheads.
        In vain, we certainly did this, but I hope somewhere in the warehouses the valiant warrant officers, something hooted.
      2. Free Island
        Free Island April 17 2014 12: 44
        +3
        Quote: alex-s
        either moron, or pretends to be ?!

        everything is much worse .. DEBIL pretends to be a moron AND THAN THAN THINKS THAT SMART BUT THAT is smart as a moron TAKING THE ENEMY MISTAKED :))))
      3. Lantau
        Lantau April 17 2014 12: 45
        +18
        The entry of Russia into the EU.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith April 17 2014 15: 27
          +2
          Quote: Lantau
          The entry of Russia into the EU.

          Campaigns go to the May 9 parade exercises wink
        2. kolobok63
          kolobok63 April 18 2014 00: 21
          0
          Bravo for the collage! And let the EU have no doubt, it’s only just beginning!
    3. vell.65mail.ru
      vell.65mail.ru April 17 2014 12: 43
      .
      Are not those that mow down from the army?
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad April 17 2014 17: 32
        0
        which mow down from the army


        I met such. Moreover, they are quite adequate: they say that they are always ready to defend their homeland. Of these, some in the cadet schools passed the young fighter course (even there was parachute training), while others didn’t play childishly in airsoft ...
        Parents are often more afraid of the appeal than their children - they work out "disability" from an early age.
        And the boys are normal. They will also be for Panfilov’s.
    4. Pula
      Pula April 17 2014 13: 11
      0
      Why 24 panfilovites?
    5. 225chay
      225chay April 17 2014 16: 29
      +1
      Quote: AlexGS
      For every enemy armada of tanks, we have our own 24 panfilovites.


      Quote: AlexGS
      As part of the agreement on the destruction of medium and shorter-range missiles, Russia destroyed about a thousand ballistic and cruise missiles of ground-based, eliminated 825 launchers and more than 3 thousand nuclear warheads.


      Legs would be pulled to those enemies who signed such agreements and gave commands for the destruction of weapons !!!
      Will the criminal actions of senior officials of the former USSR and Russia be evaluated?
      When will the courts and executions take place?
    6. Aljavad
      Aljavad April 17 2014 17: 26
      +2
      24 panfilovites

      And if you joke well - that's all 28! soldier
      1. alone
        alone April 17 2014 18: 43
        +1
        the general sits and considers tanks and armored personnel carriers and talks about the likelihood of a confrontation between Russia and NATO)) God forbid, if this happens, nobody will need these tanks and armored personnel. The third world war is a nuclear war that will destroy the entire globe. and if suddenly someone survives, then they will fight with sticks and stones.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 April 18 2014 00: 14
          0
          Quote: lonely
          the general sits and considers tanks and armored personnel carriers and talks about the likelihood of a confrontation between Russia and NATO)) God forbid, if this happens, nobody will need these tanks and armored personnel. The third world war is a nuclear war that will destroy the entire globe. and if suddenly someone survives, then they will fight with sticks and stones.

          Yes, no, there will be no third world ...
          “NATO has 10 thousand tanks in Europe, and we have 3,5 thousand. NATO has 22 thousand armored vehicles, we have about 7,5 thousand. This is a good example,” RIA Novosti quoted him as saying.

          And if all of our conservation is removed?
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          2. papas-57
            papas-57 April 18 2014 03: 48
            0
            “NATO has 10 thousand tanks in Europe, and we have 3,5 thousand. NATO has 22 thousand armored vehicles, we have about 7,5 thousand. This is a good example,” RIA Novosti quoted him as saying. He forgot to count how many times there are more homosexuals in Geyrop (for our intimidation - there are more of them)
  2. zeleznijdorojnik
    zeleznijdorojnik April 17 2014 12: 28
    +5
    Well done general, sometimes you can soothe it so that enemies have goosebumps and cold sweat.
    1. Coffee_time
      Coffee_time April 17 2014 15: 54
      +1
      Yeah, would they say that in Russia there is nothing that everyone is so alarmed?
  3. Wiruz
    Wiruz April 17 2014 12: 29
    +5
    Defense Ministry: NATO is three times Russia superior in armored vehicles in Europe

    After the Victory, distribute the captured equipment to the peasants - there will be something to plow gardens laughing
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 April 17 2014 19: 17
      0
      Quote: Wiruz
      Defense Ministry: NATO is three times Russia superior in armored vehicles in Europe

      After the Victory, distribute the captured equipment to the peasants - there will be something to plow gardens laughing

      Quantity does not mean quality !! Especially those who will operate this technique !!
  4. Roman1970
    Roman1970 April 17 2014 12: 30
    +9
    To fight not by numbers, but by skill!
  5. Cosmos1987
    Cosmos1987 April 17 2014 12: 30
    +10
    In Europe, it is up to the Ural Mountains 3500 tanks, immediately behind us another 20. bully
    Let the adversaries be afraid!
    1. Horly
      Horly April 17 2014 13: 09
      +6
      But we can’t do anything without tanks in the Urals - what else would severe Siberian men go to the store for vodka for - there aren’t any roads there! wink
      1. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 April 17 2014 16: 04
        +2
        Quote: Horly
        men to go for vodka

        But what about the bears? Or is it too lazy to drive a clubfoot behind a bubble? laughing
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    2. skiff-xnumx
      skiff-xnumx April 17 2014 16: 58
      +1
      I just don’t understand where in Europe 10 tons of tanks. It seems they write that one country wrote off another. And it seems like the pin has only 5000 of them. Maybe someone will explain
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad April 17 2014 17: 50
        +2
        Turkey has about 4.000 tanks.
        England, France, Italy, Germany, Poland, Hungary - with a pine forest.

        Here arithmetic is poorly applicable. The sense of the tanks beyond the English Channel and the Perineans ...
        And of those 10 thousand - many are in storage.
        There is more likely a conversation about the same "supposedly sanctions". "Have you observed the agreement? Let's check it right now! You lost the Cold War to us!"
        1. alone
          alone April 17 2014 18: 46
          0
          Quote: Aljavad
          Turkey approx. 4.000 tanks.
          England, France, Italy, Germany, Poland, Hungary - with a pine forest.

          Here arithmetic is poorly applicable. The sense of the tanks beyond the English Channel and the Perineans ...
          And of those 10 thousand - many are in storage.
          There is more likely a conversation about the same "supposedly sanctions". "Have you observed the agreement? Let's check it right now! You lost the Cold War to us!"

          Under the CFE treaty, each country keeps a certain number of weapons in service, and the surplus always remains in storage. The Russian army has the same thing. Have you forgot how to modernize the T-72B3 tanks? These are exactly the tanks that were in storage. They modernize and then just change old technique.
  6. Dromac
    Dromac April 17 2014 12: 31
    +7
    The main thing is to catch, if something happens, cover the nearest NATO bases with iskander. You look and level
    1. from punk
      from punk April 17 2014 12: 42
      +4
      Quote: Dromac
      The main thing is to catch, if something happens, cover the nearest NATO bases with iskander. You look and level

      if we have time. then the inhabitants of the state where the fire rain will fall. they themselves will drive this armored vehicle back. the memory of the ancestors science has not canceled
  7. kelevra
    kelevra April 17 2014 12: 31
    +2
    Something I don’t believe that such information was given by the DEFENSE! NATO does not have so many tanks to outweigh our amount. The sum is obtained from many factors. We win by all. Maybe NATO has more tanks in terms of the number of tanks, only because that everything counted: taken out of contentment, repaired, written off, standing on conservation. So this is not an indicator!
    1. Horly
      Horly April 17 2014 13: 10
      +1
      that’s the question - depending on how you count!
      1. from punk
        from punk April 17 2014 13: 17
        +2
        Quote: Horly
        that’s the question - depending on how you count!

        the question is with whom to count. if these island states do not have time to help with mattresses and Britain. everything is simple with the Baltic countries. while the Germans still hitler took care of the autobahns. so the advantage is really how to count
  8. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX April 17 2014 12: 32
    +15
    "NATO has 10 thousand tanks in Europe, and we have 3,5 thousand. NATO has 22 thousand armored vehicles, we have about 7,5 thousand."
    But for some reason, the evil empire is Russia.
    1. Pit
      Pit April 17 2014 12: 43
      +5
      Quote: Фкенщь13
      But for some reason, the evil empire is Russia.

      Because they understand that their number will not save. They will trample each other in a panic.
      1. krechet-1978
        krechet-1978 April 17 2014 15: 39
        +5
        Empire of Evil ... EMPIRE is very evil! am laughing
    2. alone
      alone April 17 2014 18: 48
      0
      Quote: Фкенщь13
      "NATO has 10 thousand tanks in Europe, and we have 3,5 thousand. NATO has 22 thousand armored vehicles, we have about 7,5 thousand."
      But for some reason, the evil empire is Russia.

      Well, I don’t know about evil, Russia alone, but NATO 28 countries)) 10 thousand tanks in 28 countries. Even those 2 t-55s from Latvia are taken into account)
  9. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 17 2014 12: 32
    +12
    But let them still reach our borders, and try to cross it. And not all of them will attack right away, so we will have something to meet them with. But they won’t go anywhere, they’re just afraid of us, that’s all. And they’re doing it right, whoever comes to us in a tank will burn in that tank.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 April 17 2014 15: 42
      +5
      whoever comes to us in a tank will burn in that tank.
      And you can’t argue with you! laughing
    2. krechet-1978
      krechet-1978 April 17 2014 15: 43
      +3
      If the movement begins, then the Zapadenskie crews most likely quit their jobs. - It’s very dreary to die for money, but they don’t have a great idea. And we have.
  10. L10n77
    L10n77 April 17 2014 12: 33
    +2
    Fascist Germany also had 3 times superiority, and where is it?
    Despite the fact that almost the entire command was repressed before the war
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 April 17 2014 12: 39
      +4
      There was no superiority in tanks in Germany.
      We had absolute superiority, but the general collapse of the leadership, the commotion of the commanders and the surprise of the attack did their job. Read corned beef Mark, it may be interesting. I do not insist, but there was definitely no superiority.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 17 2014 12: 43
        +13
        Quote: mojohed2012
        Read corned beef Mark, may be interesting

        And also Solzhenitsyn, Rezun-Mazdon, Korotich, Bunich and others. Judas from history.
        We swim finely ... negative
        1. family tree
          family tree April 17 2014 13: 08
          +4
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          And also Solzhenitsyn, Rezun-Mazdon, Korotich, Bunich and others. Judas from history.
          Finely swim ... negative

          Hi Ilyich! hi Here's how to explain to them that one cannot study fiction history. laughing . Bye, run away to work request , until the evening.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner April 17 2014 14: 24
            0
            Ardent hello to the archangel from the Uralscopic data! hi

            I actually thought that I wouldn’t hear such nonsense on this site .... Hmmm ... But the trouble, though ...
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker April 17 2014 14: 48
              +4
              Quote: retired
              Ardent hello to the archangel from the Uralscopic data!

              Mutually, Yuri! hi
              Quote: retired
              I actually thought that on this site of such nonsense I will not hear

              The Russian land is not impoverished from mediocrity ... laughing
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker April 17 2014 14: 47
            +2
            Quote: perepilka
            Hello Ilyich

            Hi Vladimir! hi Everyone reads what he likes best - Maidan so much more from Dill-History in a permanent orgasm laughing
            Quote: perepilka
            I’m running away until evening.

            Take care of yourself wassat
        2. Horly
          Horly April 17 2014 13: 17
          +7
          The Germans had superiority in the directions of the main strikes - due to this, many Soviet motorized units were simply cut off from supply and could not offer serious resistance - you can't fight much without fuel and shells. Much has already been said about this. In addition, control over these units was lost. This allowed the Germans to almost completely destroy them in a short period of time. And so, if quantitatively, then indeed the USSR had some superiority in tanks (but not at times, as many of the "famous" historians write)
      2. pensioner
        pensioner April 17 2014 14: 20
        +3
        Quote: mojohed2012
        Read corned beef Mark, it may be interesting.

        No words ...
        1. 225chay
          225chay April 17 2014 16: 36
          +1
          Quote: retired
          Read the brand, it may be interesting.
          No words ...


          Yeah, one name immediately says a lot))
          Just read the nonsense ...
    2. Lyubimov
      Lyubimov April 17 2014 12: 40
      +6
      Hitler lamented that he did not carry out such a purge before the attack on the USSR, for Stalin then destroyed our fifth column, but Hitler did not. So the repression of the command staff does not go like the lack of the USSR army, but on the contrary, the traitors were crushed, although of course the innocent suffered as well, and this is sad.
  11. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS April 17 2014 12: 33
    +9
    The Slavs take the battle 1 to 10. Not everything is decided by technology, the fighting spirit must be strong. The Georgians, and the Germans threw equipment and fled. They are not ready to die, but as I said, I don’t remember which foreign commander - it’s not enough to kill a Russian, he’s still to be knocked down!
    1. Andrey78
      Andrey78 April 17 2014 12: 49
      +4
      The King of Prussia, Friedrich 2, spoke during the Seven Years War.
  12. aleks 62
    aleks 62 April 17 2014 12: 34
    +4
    .... And what about the amount of anti-tank weapons and its QUALITY .... It seems to me that the balance will not be in favor of NATa ....
  13. mamont5
    mamont5 April 17 2014 12: 35
    +8
    "NATO has 10 thousand tanks in Europe, and we have 3,5 thousand. NATO has 22 thousand armored vehicles, we have about 7,5 thousand. This is a good example," "
    Well, hu ... is it from this? These warriors are now ready to settle.

    Over the Amer’s boat, our plane (without weapons) flew, joked, but they still can’t calm down, move away from stress.
    "The United States is preparing a diplomatic demarche in connection with the overflight of a Russian front-line bomber Su-24 of an American warship in the Black Sea," said Marie Harf, deputy chief of the press service of the US State Department.
    As she clarified, this protest will be announced by the Pentagon. “I spoke with my colleagues at the US Department of Defense. The last thing I heard from them is that the Ministry of Defense will be responsible ... "
    http://vz.ru/news/2014/4/17/682475.html
    1. krechet-1978
      krechet-1978 April 17 2014 15: 57
      +3
      I feel that soon the most profitable profession in the West will be a military crisis psychologist.
  14. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 17 2014 12: 36
    +15
    It's not about quantity. This is fundamentally the wrong approach!
    Remember, during World War II, how many Germans had battleships?
    Two. The British have much more. So even after the sinking of the "Bismarck", "Tirpitz" did not leave the parking lot, and how much strength it held down. Only one rumor about his going out to sea made the guards abandon the convoy (PQ-17, if I'm not mistaken), and scatter through the cracks
    So it is here. And not even in millimeters of armor and caliber guns matter.
    Afraid of the West ANY loss.
    All this is not a reason to bully, but you also need to know the price
  15. RND
    RND April 17 2014 12: 36
    +13
    NATO is a bunch of schizophrenics and maniacs. There is only one pill for treatment:
    1. smart Fox
      smart Fox April 17 2014 12: 43
      +12
      This is not a pill. it's a rectal candle, on someone's ....
    2. pensioner
      pensioner April 17 2014 14: 26
      +3
      Quote: RND
      Only one treatment pill

      what This tablet is more like an enema ...
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 April 17 2014 15: 46
        +3
        This is not a pill. it's a rectal candle, on someone's ....
        And they know it very well! ...
    3. kolobok63
      kolobok63 April 18 2014 00: 33
      0
      I agree, but better than 100-150 tablets and better at one time! Illness from the face of the Earth will blow away at once! hi
  16. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn April 17 2014 12: 39
    +2
    We are not somehow afraid of their completely olumevnoy armor. Our tanks and armored vehicles have normal alloy steel armor.
  17. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 17 2014 12: 39
    +8
    NATO is three times superior to Russia in armored vehicles in Europe ... but still scary smile
  18. Legin
    Legin April 17 2014 12: 40
    +6
    and tomorrow Russia will almost reach the English Channel, Bordeaux and the Cote d'Azur - and why not. You’ll get the rights to swing further, fly over and jump over.
  19. VeteranS
    VeteranS April 17 2014 12: 40
    +5
    Even the Holy Noble Grand Duke Alexander Nevsky said, destroying the enemies of Holy Russia - "God is not in power, but in truth!"
    God save Russia and Holy Russia!
  20. Draz
    Draz April 17 2014 12: 40
    +2
    Volume bomb bomb to this gentleman
  21. Arh
    Arh April 17 2014 12: 40
    +1
    NATO is afraid of Russian, even less Russian !!!
  22. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city April 17 2014 12: 41
    +4
    I’m wondering where NATO got so many tanks from. In recent years, the countries of Europe have significantly ordered their tank forces. For example, in England, in my opinion, two or three battalions remained, and even Poland now has more tanks and so in all countries. Probably these experts consider those tanks that are stored in the United States overseas, but if you think so, then we have not 3500, but 12000-20000 thousand. The numbers have varied lately. But there is a plus because these tanks are not overseas, but here at hand.
  23. Manager
    Manager April 17 2014 12: 46
    +3
    Only in the Urals, if necessary, in a couple of months, another 30 thousand tanks will be released from billets.
    In general, the more tanks they have, the brighter they will burn from our artillery, which is several times more than that of all of Europe and America.
  24. storm wind
    storm wind April 17 2014 12: 48
    +5
    For every NATO and American tank - there is your own Invincible designer! Chrysanthemum - C!
  25. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn April 17 2014 12: 50
    +3
    You can not replace the qualitative component - quantitative :) Russian tanks and armored vehicles - this is not a Western aluminum beer cans. Americans even have magnesium alloy steamers. Do they really hope to survive in clashes with a Russian steel alloy rink ?! Fools :(
  26. Anatoly39
    Anatoly39 April 17 2014 12: 50
    +3
    I wonder how many RPGs and ATGMs we have
    1. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin April 17 2014 21: 26
      0
      I wonder how many RPGs and ATGMs we have

      but I heard that there are PTRS and PTRD in storage
  27. Chifka
    Chifka April 17 2014 12: 51
    +4
    Well, at one time, a lot of equipment was put up on pedestals in different cities of Russia, and unaccounted for. Yes, and in the geyropa typed .... If you - pour fuel, load shells - and go. Yes, and veterans can be asked, as a training for young people in history, to repeat their military path, I think they will not refuse wink
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 April 17 2014 15: 56
      +1
      Well, at one time, a lot of equipment was put up on pedestals in different cities of Russia, and unaccounted for. And in geyropa typed ....
      By the way, regarding this:
      Representatives of the two Berlin newspapers Bild and BZ filed a petition in the Bundestag demanding that monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators and Soviet T-34 tanks be removed from Treptower Park and Tiergarten. So the journalists reacted to the situation in the Crimea. The German authorities refused to respond to these demands, Vesti reports with reference to TZ.
      The fact that the German government will not remove tanks from the territory of the Memorial to the Fallen Soviet Soldiers, which is located in the center of Berlin, said the representative of the Bundestag, Georg Streiter.
      "The demand to demolish these monuments contradicts international agreements. In 1990, Germany officially promised to look after the monuments to Soviet soldiers in Berlin. The FRG authorities sacredly honor this obligation and are not going to defame the memory of the Red Army soldiers," the politician said.

      So NZ is still in place ... laughing
  28. STALIN8
    STALIN8 April 17 2014 12: 51
    +2
    Quote: Dromac
    The main thing is to catch, if something happens, cover the nearest NATO bases with iskander. You look and level

    The Iskander has a range of only 500 km. We must use high-precision weapons and develop hypersonic cruise missiles.
    1. xenod55
      xenod55 April 17 2014 15: 36
      +3
      Maidan. Point of appeal to the National Guard of Ukraine.
      The phone rings. Maidanun picks up the receiver and hears a polite voice: "Is this Maidan? Kaliningrad worries, two Iskander left for you."
      Maidown, shouts: "What kind of Iskanders, we do not enroll Chechens in the National Guard !!!"
      A polite voice in the receiver: "Sorry, apparently you misunderstood us. They will fly up in 2 seconds." fellow
  29. individual
    individual April 17 2014 12: 52
    +4
    Horror stories around Russia are launched to justify increased funding for NATO troops.
    NATO has spent its potential in operations in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan. In Syria, his capabilities were already blown away, and now they turned on the pump for pumping a holey condom to create the appearance of an erection of a fallen penis. bully
  30. family tree
    family tree April 17 2014 12: 54
    +3
    Just do not try to be rude and tease a bear, especially in its territory. A bear and a pacifist are two big differences. And, for God's sake, do not try to get into his den, especially with your charter. This is advice. Checked by time. what And so, we are gentle and fluffy, like polar foxes repeat
  31. Deff
    Deff April 17 2014 12: 56
    +2
    It is time to voice the doctrine: In the event of the opening of hostilities about pre-emptive tactical nuclear strikes at NATO bases in Europe. Let them think
  32. STALIN8
    STALIN8 April 17 2014 12: 56
    +1
    "Never attack Russia" is a Chinese folk wisdom. laughing laughing laughing
  33. lord
    lord April 17 2014 12: 57
    +2
    we must intensely arm the Russian army’s pile in the light of events whether the states will give us time, but still a question, and is China a muddy country even more dangerous than God forbid that everything should be quiet until 20
  34. STALIN8
    STALIN8 April 17 2014 13: 00
    +2
    Quote: Lord
    God forbid that until 20 years everything was quiet

    China is also rearming. An alliance with China against the United States is better, until the United States has entered into an alliance with China against Russia. drinks
    1. lord
      lord April 17 2014 14: 16
      +4
      the Chinese are still those we have near the village greenhouses there their infection is infused cucumbers grow tomatoes grow quickly otrovili the river they filled in something and from there the bobra take water to the top alive floated fish no longer local Russians noticed eat from another greenhouse there they don’t pour muck clean eat vegetables themselves here he is and china
    2. alone
      alone April 17 2014 18: 50
      +2
      Quote: STALIN8
      China is also rearming. An alliance with China against the United States is better, until the United States enters into an alliance with China against Russia

      it’s better to have an open enemy than an ally like China.
      1. lord
        lord April 17 2014 20: 13
        0
        yes I'm talking about the same with the Crimea - with Ukraine, China showed itself by abstaining
  35. Alexgs
    Alexgs April 17 2014 13: 03
    +3
    Quote: Bronis
    Quote: AlexGS
    For every enemy armada of tanks, we have our own 24 panfilovites.

    and where else have 4's been forgotten? Their own 28?


    Well, pounced))) Sorry, scolded recourse
  36. jjj
    jjj April 17 2014 13: 04
    +2
    Well, we're not going to attack Europe. We do not need 20 thousand tanks in the first line. But anti-tank systems need to stock up
  37. mackonya
    mackonya April 17 2014 13: 10
    +2
    Yes, when this quantitative comparison is finished, for analysis, of course, you can take note. But do not forget that everything depends on tactical maneuvers and skillful command in conjunction with the rest of the armed forces, for example, the 6-day war Israel had fewer tank corps, and Syria had 10 times almost more, well, who won the battle.
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  39. Login
    Login April 17 2014 13: 11
    .
    This is only for armored vehicles. And if you compare the Air Force, which can smash through armored vehicles? Here, too, NATO is in the lead, especially the USA.
    IMHO, but counting only tanks is at least stupid. If we compare, then all the armed forces of NATO and the Russian Federation.
    PS According to my data, Russian troops are at the eastern border of Ukraine. My friends in Ukraine tell me about this. I believe them, because they have no reason to lie.
    1. Manager
      Manager April 17 2014 13: 16
      +7
      Quote: Login
      I believe them, because they have no reason to lie.
      1. Login
        Login April 17 2014 13: 46
        -3
        AND? They are not just acquaintances, but I personally know them and saw them live when I was in Ukraine.
        And leave such "agitation" for hurray-patriots.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner April 17 2014 20: 46
          0
          Quote: Login
          and in person I saw live

          Right in the face?
      2. kolobok63
        kolobok63 April 18 2014 00: 42
        0
        Manacher or or provocateur (although both) fool
    2. Poppy
      Poppy April 17 2014 13: 49
      +4
      if they are in Ukraine, how do they know about the troops on the Russian side? from the tv?
      1. Login
        Login April 17 2014 15: 24
        -1
        From my friends, it’s logical.
        1. Manager
          Manager April 17 2014 15: 54
          0
          Quote: Login
          From my friends, it’s logical.

          There is nowhere more logical)))
    3. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 17 2014 16: 04
      +2
      Quote: Login
      PS According to my data, Russian troops are at the eastern border of Ukraine. My friends in Ukraine tell me about this. I believe them, because they have no reason to lie.

      Yurik ...
      I understand ... Avatar is a holy thing wassat
      But we have a different "profile" laughing
      So you and your friends, girlfriends and acquaintances are more careful ... Especially about the troops ... love
      1. Login
        Login April 17 2014 17: 27
        -2
        Quote: stalkerwalker

        Yurik ...
        I understand ... Avatar is a holy thing wassat
        But we have a different "profile" laughing
        So you and your friends, girlfriends and acquaintances are more careful ... Especially about the troops ... love

        And what do you dislike about my ava? Nyashi same.

        Quote: 225chay

        Yes, let them stand, what is it for you? Not at the Branderburg gate are ...

        To me? Nothing ... But the Ukrainians are unlikely to like it.
    4. 225chay
      225chay April 17 2014 16: 42
      +2
      Quote: Login
      PS According to my data, Russian troops are at the eastern border of Ukraine. My friends in Ukraine tell me about this. I believe them, because they have no reason to lie.


      Yes, let them stand, what is it for you? Not at the Branderburg gate are ...
    5. Chikua
      Chikua April 17 2014 18: 29
      0
      medium-range missiles ... and your NATO asshole
      1. Login
        Login April 17 2014 20: 20
        0
        Quote: Chikua
        medium-range missiles ... and your NATO asshole

        But he’s not mine.) Yes, not only Russia has medium-range missiles.)



        Quote: Chikua
        there is no one to fight with Germans in Geyropa ... this will be the next Olympic Games ...

        Did you stick your nose out of the window? Sofa Expert ...
        1. kolobok63
          kolobok63 April 18 2014 00: 48
          0
          But he’s not mine.) Yes, not only Russia has medium-range missiles.)
          You have slingshots, if so, you can sleep peacefully (eternal sleep) wassat
      2. alone
        alone April 17 2014 20: 38
        0
        Quote: Chikua
        medium-range missiles ... and your NATO asshole

        Maybe immediately Poplars? Why trifles. Have you ever served?
    6. Chikua
      Chikua April 17 2014 18: 34
      -1
      there is no one to fight with Germans in Geyropa ... this will be the next Olympic Games ...
      1. alone
        alone April 17 2014 22: 30
        0
        Quote: Chikua
        there is no one to fight with Germans in Geyropa ... this will be the next Olympic Games ...

        Apparently you already had to fight with them once what.
  40. boyar
    boyar April 17 2014 13: 16
    +2
    So, under the agreement on the destruction of intermediate and shorter-range missiles Russia destroyed about a thousand ballistic and ground-based cruise missiles, eliminated 825 launchers and more than 3 thousand nuclear warheads.


    Oh in vain ...
  41. Isk1984
    Isk1984 April 17 2014 13: 17
    +3
    I think in reality Nato has less armored vehicles, some are still scattered from Iraq to Afghanistan, the strongest are represented, the Europeans relaxed from the age of 91, they built the post-industrial world, and they protected the rights of gays ...
    Part of the equipment has been put into reserve, do you think why Nato is so nervous, and really afraid that we will reach Lisbon in one fell swoop, because the real picture is sad for them, no one wants to fight, Yes, our forces can not be compared with the USSR either, although for the first time this situation arose, as it turned out that the Europeans did it themselves for 20 years, greatly curtailed their capabilities, and also sprayed the World carrying the Democracy ...
    Remember, recently asked Ukraine to dispose of 2000 t-64 ...
    We need to squeeze them ... to disperse our tank city to the maximum ...
    Yes, and even the most powerful tank group in NATO in Europe from ... Turkey, then Germany
  42. andrey903
    andrey903 April 17 2014 13: 18
    0
    And how many tanks we have on conservation. I know several places where there are several hundred
  43. Pula
    Pula April 17 2014 13: 19
    0
    What kind of tank - "little green men" will allow a referendum in Brussels on NATO's independence and its accession to Russia.
  44. Horly
    Horly April 17 2014 13: 20
    +1
    A good reason to think about our politicians about withdrawing from the OSCE Treaty ...
  45. Isk1984
    Isk1984 April 17 2014 13: 26
    +3
    I’ll also add the bulk of the tanks manufactured in the 70-80s, few new ones are ordered in the last 20 years, the main buyers from the Middle East, for example, the Czech Republic, left 30 tanks out of a rich heritage, in service today. The Poles, who are constantly rattling the weapons of combat-ready 128 leopards (another 105 will go into service within 3 years), have about 400 t-72s who will write off the money within 3-4 years, even the Bundeswehr is reducing its parts, the crisis has nothing to pay, green rebellion, the left against so on ... plus benefits for the Turks and blacks are not enough ..
  46. Nicanor
    Nicanor April 17 2014 13: 26
    -4
    Russia destroyed about a thousand ballistic and ground-based cruise missiles, eliminated 825 launchers and more than 3 thousand nuclear warheads.
    Most likely they destroyed some junk to be disposed of (everything has an expiration date).
    In the Russian Ministry of Defense are not fools!
    1. 225chay
      225chay April 17 2014 16: 45
      +1
      Quote: Nicanor
      Most likely they destroyed some junk to be disposed of (everything has an expiration date).
      In the Russian Ministry of Defense are not fools!


      Yes, especially TU 160 - "white swan" sovsekm old stuff at the time when it was destroyed ...
      Not the fools in MO then were sitting, but the enemy agents of the West!

      You yourself will not be the case Taburetkin?
      1. alone
        alone April 17 2014 20: 39
        +1
        Quote: 225chay
        Yes, especially TU 160 - "white swan" sovsekm old stuff at the time when it was destroyed ...
        Not the fools in MO then were sitting, but the enemy agents of the West!

        You yourself will not be the case Taburetkin?

        No, he is most likely Krovatkin))
  47. jPilot
    jPilot April 17 2014 13: 27
    0
    In my opinion yesterday showed the meeting of Lavrov and Rasmussen, some kind of petty, fussy, stretched smile. By his appearance, one can immediately see the shaka. The little one is unclean on hand, of those who smile and behind the back, the knife squeezes with hatred.
    Well, so what, what in quantity exceed. Technology is controlled by people. And if people like sailors from the battleship (in my opinion), which our pilot on a fighter flew around several times the other day. And these warriors needed a psychologist, and 27 people. generally quit with fear. Yes ihren with him a quantity angry
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    2. oblako
      oblako April 17 2014 15: 49
      +2
      It's not all that simple with this "Donald Cook". Su-24 say it was not simple, but stuffed with electronic warfare equipment "Khibiny", it seems, and turned it on on the way, which disabled the air defense and the Aegis system. Such pies. Anyone who has ever seen a complete illumination of indicators in air defense cockpits and felt powerless when a real plane enters the cockpit in which you are sitting, he will understand the diarrhea of ​​American sailors. Glory to the designers! But our air defense also has something to think about ... In all these S-300,400 and 500 you can see the light in full screen overnight. Then at least leave TVKanal and a caramultuk of some millimeter by 30 ...
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 April 17 2014 15: 51
        0
        This is called, DO NOT SUPERVE!
  48. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 17 2014 13: 30
    +4
    The number of armored vehicles is no longer a priority indicator of strength.
    In this way, the armed forces of China alone, due to their numbers, would be the most powerful army in the world.
  49. Counter
    Counter April 17 2014 13: 33
    0
    Quote: Dr.Faust.Patron
    Unhappy is the country that needs heroes
    Brecht.

    What nonsense !!!
  50. staryivoin
    staryivoin April 17 2014 13: 55
    +2
    Quote: AlexGS
    For every enemy armada of tanks, we have our own 24 panfilovites.


    I think that in modern times, most of those who are on the topwar website are really ready to stand in line. I’m not talking about this, I recall in the academic 90 lectures and classes on operational and tactical art. Then, even Soviet military science taught us how to attack an attacker in order to achieve success, he must secure at least threefold superiority in forces. There are examples in the history of the Russian, Soviet and Russian army when our advancing troops did not have such an advantage, but we won, including in the attack on a larger enemy. I’m not about to throw our hats.
    I mean that from the emerging situation with the balance of military forces, the nature of the military preparations of NATO members is more and more highlighted. At the same time, these "mattress covers" once assumed obligations not to approach our borders, and gave us some guarantees. Well, we beat and we will beat.