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US decided to drive Russia into a trap

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US decided to drive Russia into a trapWe do not need to send troops to Ukraine to influence the situation, the expert recalled


Ukraine is not only a battlefield between the West and Southeast. Without too much exaggeration, it can be said that this is a battlefield (perhaps even decisive) between Russia and the West for the re-shaping of the "unipolar" world.

The fact that Russia will show itself in the struggle for the Ukrainian rebelling Southeast depends largely on whether the final complete collapse of the US hegemony or Russia will firmly establish itself in the status of such a power that it will be risky to exclude from somewhere own reputation.

In the meantime, the West is still trying to humiliate Moscow with sanctions, thereby implicitly emphasizing who is the only owner in the big house, who is the guests, and who is the attendants. And Ukraine is important as a strategically important test.

There is a growing suspicion among political analysts: everything that is happening in Ukraine is painfully similar to the banal provocation of Russia. The West needs Moscow to introduce military equipment (already publicly, without polite "green men") and get hooked. As an aggressor.
Then it will be possible to deduce Russia on the wave of rising indignation from really serious and decisive organizations, as well as to introduce NATO troops, deploying them a few dozen kilometers from Moscow.

“The United States decided to kill two birds with one stone. First, write in your "asset" half of Ukraine. Secondly, to put Russia in an unfavorable light ... Thus, a state appears on the new "Ukrainian-Ukrainian" border, for which the return of lost "eastern territories" can become a national idea, the deputy director of the National Institute of the development of modern ideology Igor Shatrov.

The current perspectives of Ukraine and Russian participation in its fate were discussed by a political scientist, director of the Center for Geopolitical Expertise, deputy head of the Center for Conservative Research at the sociological department of Moscow State University Valery Korovin:

- The West really has as its goal to provoke Russia for tough actions, but not to respond to it from NATO, but to destabilize both Russia itself and the space between Russia and Europe in order to prevent the possibility of a strategic rapprochement between Russia and the EU.

Here, the Americans are trying to implement the same scenario that they themselves went through during their participation in the internal conflict within Vietnam. Then the Americans joined the civil war and suffered huge losses - both military and moral. This threw the United States far back in terms of positioning itself as a democratic power.

The Americans are trying to do the same for Russia: to draw it into civilian strife in the territory of the former Ukraine. At the same time, this does not mean that Russia should not intervene at all and only passively observe how, with the assistance of American instructors and CIA agents, the junta is cracking down on the population of the Southeast with military means.

Therefore, Russia must, of course, take part in what is happening, but not in a direct military way, but at the level of implementation of network technologies, through humanitarian influence, economic participation, consulting in the field of warfare and positional battles in the city, as well as means of support in including technical, military, medical, and so on.

All political transformations on the territory of Ukraine should occur with the direct participation of those entities that are emerging today in the South-East of the former Ukraine and which can serve as a source of power and a basis for the formation of a new post-Ukrainian statehood in the South-East.

It is obvious to everyone that the end of the Ukraine project is already near, that it did not take place. Ukrainian unitary statehood did not take shape, and therefore today it is necessary to proceed from the current reality and consider the options for the existence of new entities in the territory of the former Ukraine, their orientation, subjectivity and political independence.

- However, Kiev is threatening to close its borders for Russia tightly and to stop all contacts from Russia as much as possible (presumably, including through the Internet). How to implement “soft power” in such conditions?

- The fact is that those orders that are made in Kiev are untenable, also because the junta is simply not capable of ensuring their implementation. It should be understood that this is not a state power due to the fact that they have no state, no tools to maintain the existence of this state, no legitimacy, that is, support for an absolute majority, but legitimacy only from the Maidan, which by all parameters cannot be a state .

Strictly speaking, the current junta, headed by Turchinov and Yatsenyuk, is controlled only by the Maidan, the center of Kiev and several cities in the regions of the former Ukraine adjacent to Kiev. But all this can not be called a state machine, a state apparatus.

Therefore, it is necessary to calmly accept the decisions taken by these people, realizing that the reality looks completely different: it follows from the continuity of a large Russian space, including in the territory of the former Ukraine. And no forces today can stop the free movement of citizens of the former Soviet Union, carriers of post-Soviet and new Russian identity. And all these prohibitions are only a manifestation of the agony of people who seized the center of Kiev.

Russia has all the opportunities to influence the situation in the country through civil society, through public organizations, structures like private security companies, or on the initiative of volunteers from both Russia and the former Ukraine.

- How do you look at the perspective of a confederation within Ukraine?

- I must admit that at the moment the Kiev authorities have already “passed” federalization for the South-East. Now there is a coalition of independent republics - Donetsk, Kharkiv, Luhansk, and this process will continue. You can talk about the confederation of the South-East in the format of New Russia. And, in fact, federalization itself is an opportunity for Kiev to preserve the remnants of the former Ukraine, lying on the spaces of Little Russia and zapadenschiny.

And if Kiev wants to keep what he has left - Western Ukraine and the territory between Zbruch and the Dnieper - he certainly has the opportunity to turn to the federalization format, hold referendums or a general referendum for zapadenschina and Little Russia and thus preserve the remnants of what will remain after the Southeast exit from this common space.

If Kiev insists on unitarity, the process of disintegration of the former Ukraine will continue, and in the end the real picture of control by the Kiev junta will coincide with what actually exists, namely Kiev and several areas in its vicinity.

I think that, having seen enough of the oligarchs in the center of Kiev, on the Kolomoisky and Poroshenko faces that do not correspond to the Ukrainian ideal identity, they will say goodbye to Kiev and choose their path, and Kiev and the surrounding area will remain in this kind of agony, plunging into internal contradictions, chaos, poverty and total decline.
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  1. Rus2012
    Rus2012 April 17 2014 12: 18
    +31
    The end of the junta is closer than ever -
    this Sunday, Easter, in Donetsk, the appearance of the people of the legitimate President Yanukovych will take place.
    After this, the junta will only have to run ...
    1. zeleznijdorojnik
      zeleznijdorojnik April 17 2014 12: 26
      +14
      Oh, how the whole White Guard reminds Bulgakov, I remember there Shervinsky promised ... they saw Emperor Nicholas at the court of Kaiser, he promised to come to Ukraine ... And the current government of Ukrostan is no better than the Hetman Skoropadsky - the same "play". The main thing is that, like Skoropadsky, let the Germans in, the current egg-eaters of NATO were not invited ...
      1. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey April 17 2014 13: 49
        +3
        And they already invited NATO, but so far they have refused.
        1. EvgenSuslov
          EvgenSuslov April 17 2014 14: 36
          +1
          NATO needs a pretext in the form of aggression from Russia, and not an invitation to the local kings, who are not recognized by anyone and most likely will not stay here long.
          1. vitos69
            vitos69 April 17 2014 22: 29
            +3
            The rockets exploded close
            There was chaos all around
            Burned New York and San
            Francisco
            And Columbia was on fire ...
            To the blackened Miami Beach
            boiled fish inflicted
            Giant tsunamis passed
            And in the Cordilleras it shook ...
            To the lawn in front of the White House
            Russian soldier approached,
            I sat down on a marble column,
            I put a machine near
            Slid the helmet to the back of my head
            He took out a soldier's dry ration
            And foreign tequila
            Poured into a mashed pot.
            Then he went forward and straight,
            Poked a boot with parquet:
            "Well, where is your barrack, Obama?"
            Where's the oval office?
            Dog breed brand?
            Victorian bed?
            Servant wearing sandwiches?
            And where is your wife Michelle? "
            For the pleasure of a friend
            I wanted to make a firework,
            Yes buttons confused with a hangover ?!
            What now? Both laughter and sin ...
            Four Atlantis surfaced
            A wave of half-Africa swept away
            China is facing Antarctica
            Europe has gone under water
            From Crimea in clear weather
            Indian ocean is visible.
            Elephants in Chelyabinsk gave way,
            And in Tiksi - flocks of monkeys!
            The sun sets over Sakhalin
            And in the Kuril Islands
            143 Japanese saved
            And 30 thousand turtles ...
            And Santa Barbara nailed
            to Kamchatka rocky shores ...
            And the Amazon (that's not sickly!)
            flows into the Pacific Ocean ...
            After all, mom and dad said:
            "You can't press a button without asking!"
            Well, what are you, like a chicken paw?
            If only I could learn ... TO READ ... "
            A soldier thumped, a tear rolled
            The trophy saxophone wheezed,
            And on his chest shone
            Medal for the city ... Washington!
        2. Canep
          Canep April 17 2014 14: 38
          0
          but there is legitimacy only from the Maidan
          Maidan also already requires the resignation of the government.

          And with regard to the introduction of troops, the farther it becomes clear that the junta openly provokes Russia to send troops, I think they just want to write off debts or defer payments under the pretext of aggression from Russia, and most of the debt is the debt of Russia.
        3. Svetlana
          Svetlana April 17 2014 14: 45
          +3
          Remember Vietnam, parasites. There they were given pilots with the Korean names Lisitsyns ... to ask.

          1. Mishut37rf
            Mishut37rf April 18 2014 01: 03
            0
            Thanks! Shots only from Pearl Harbor ... Have you seen "Memphis Beauty"? P.Kh. resting. Thanks!
    2. Not served
      Not served April 17 2014 12: 28
      +5
      I think he is already a political corpse. And the reason why the Southeast did not rise immediately and did not support Yanukovych was precisely because they did not trust him and no one wanted to stand for him.
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 April 17 2014 12: 34
        +7
        Quote: Not served
        I think he is already a political corpse. And the reason why the Southeast did not rise immediately and did not support Yanukovych was precisely because they did not trust him and no one wanted to stand for him.


        At first, Yanukovych was needed to give legitimacy and legality to the wave of protests against Kiev. Now, I think, you can do without him, but ... let him stay ... just in case.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 April 17 2014 12: 41
          +3
          Quote: mamont5
          Now, I think, you can do without it

          nonetheless ... he is a centering force, a symbol around which EVERYTHING can gather. There are no other personalities yet ...
          1. mackonya
            mackonya April 17 2014 13: 22
            +2
            Well, no offense to the current president of Ukraine, but I would not call him a person, he is a "legitimate president" and that's all, no more, no less. Whether he will be able to consolidate the forces of the people of the South-East around him, I wonder if he is.
      2. COLUN
        COLUN April 17 2014 14: 31
        +1
        Quote: Didn't serve
        I think he is already a political corpse. And the reason why the Southeast did not rise immediately and did not support Yanukovych was precisely because they did not trust him and no one wanted to stand for him


        On the one hand it’s true. Yanuk has no support, but on the other hand, the people who support him are mostly inert, and the reason for this is the ordinary people of work, simple hard workers, peasants, farmers. These hard workers have no time to go to the Maidan, they don’t jump - they just crawl to the bed and get enough sleep, because tomorrow they will plow again ... Therefore they won’t jump ...
        And the current junta put them before a simple choice:
        Either die, or plow and then die ..
        The people just haven't been left with any choice
    3. ed65b
      ed65b April 17 2014 12: 29
      +7
      Quote: Rus2012

      this Sunday, Easter, in Donetsk, the appearance of the people of the legitimate President Yanukovych will take place.

      C'mon, I don’t believe it. I've got a bottle of vodka, if that happens laughing
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 April 17 2014 12: 36
        +1
        Quote: ed65b
        C'mon, I don’t believe it.

        No one believes in this anymore. He also overslept his train. It was necessary in the wake of the start of protests, when his name was written on posters, crawling to the East and becoming the head of the confrontation. And now this is a talking head without political perspectives. Judicial - is.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 April 17 2014 13: 08
          0
          Quote: inkass_98
          No one believes in this anymore.

          About Putin, Putin said today -
          “Viktor Fedorovich did his duty as he considered it possible and necessary,” said Vladimir Putin, answering a “direct line” to the question of one of the Berkut’s fighters about the president of Ukraine.

          17 April 2014, 12: 43
          Viktor Yanukovych told Putin that he had thought many times about the use of force during the riots in Kiev, but to sign the corresponding decree "the hand did not rise."

          “I do not agree that Yanukovych escaped. He went to the region. And as soon as he left, they seized the administration building, carried out a coup. He hoped that the signed agreement was valid, ”Putin added.

          Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/28184#ixzz2z8IbOILF

          So everything is valid and possible ...
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 April 17 2014 12: 42
        +2
        Quote: ed65b
        C'mon, I don’t believe it. I've got a bottle of vodka, if that happens

        ... well, anything can happen ...
        laughing
        However -
        Attention Donetsk and Lugansk! The junta has planned the blood of students!
        17 APRIL 2014 SOBINFO Print

        Regarding the planned rally of supporters of the junta on April 17, where students are forced out, the following operational information was received. Gentlemen officers write (writing style preserved):
        "Today Valya (Valentin Nalyvaichenko - ed.) Approved a plan to eliminate the problem.
        A demonstration of Luhansk students has been prepared at the Lugansk Pedagogical Institute. Failure to attend a demonstration is punishable. The students themselves will be cover. Together with them will go the pravoseki, which were brought in and placed in the basements of the "pedin". The route of the demonstration passes by the Office, foremen and centurions were instructed to organize a "spontaneous" storming of the building by "indignant students".
        Assignment: “peacefully” capture a building or force the “republic” to open fire. Better with the blood of students. In the second case, Verigin and the chapter have all the instructions. With Luhansk "Alpha", too, they ground everything, they agreed to obey Kiev, but warned that it would be the last time. This is no longer a category of probability, but of possibility.
        The same scheme was approved for Donetsk - the storming of the building by "ordinary patriots, residents of Donetsk, who are tired of the" illegal "actions of anti-Maidan members of the DPR. Here we should talk about the probability, but very high, because Valya and Lysy (Turchinov - ed.) Believe that the Supreme (Yanukovych - ed.) Will return to Donetsk, and then all of them will only be on a plane. Nifiga not ... "
        Further, gentlemen officers in harsh terms express their misunderstanding of the passivity of the leaders of Donetsk and Lugansk, who for a long time "had a Mumu", as if not realizing that the defensive defense not only dampens the asset, but sooner or later ends in defeat.
        We do not know whether the Kiev nedotykomki will be able to implement their plan or everything will go at random again, but the forces of the militants in the insurgent cities are concentrated serious, hardened in the "Trident". If the command of the Lugansk and Donetsk fronts of the SE takes this information into account, we will be glad. There is still enough time. And to the gentlemen officers - thanks again "
      3. Humpty
        Humpty April 17 2014 12: 52
        +4
        smile
        Quote: ed65b

        C'mon, I don’t believe it. I've got a bottle of vodka, if that happens laughing


        The bubble is not a tricky business. If Yanukovych celebrates Easter in Donetsk with me a recipe for everyone. Nemirov will fly with pepper.
        1. GDP
          GDP April 17 2014 13: 06
          0
          I hope this miracle happens wassat
          Although Nemirof is already rogue in flight, his Bendera factory defeated his factory, and after that, local oligarchs divided part of his assets ...
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 April 17 2014 13: 51
          +14
          Hello, Alexander, but I want to say thank you very much to Ukraine !!!! Due to the fact that pi.ndos threw a lot of money into Ukraine, they did not have money left for Kyrgyzstan lol Those crumbs that were given to our European Kyrgyz people, even for sandwiches for all the scouts weren’t enough, they almost killed each other wassat There is no silver lining!
        3. ed65b
          ed65b April 17 2014 14: 07
          +1
          Quote: Humpty
          smile
          Quote: ed65b

          C'mon, I don’t believe it. I've got a bottle of vodka, if that happens laughing


          The bubble is not a tricky business. If Yanukovych celebrates Easter in Donetsk with me a recipe for everyone. Nemirov will fly with pepper.

          Sanya and so you will not sound the recipe? laughing I went to Rostov for Yanukovych, what you can’t do for the sake of the recipe laughing
        4. Zverboy
          Zverboy April 17 2014 17: 51
          0
          I don’t know, I don’t know how it seems to me that Yanyk appeared in Donetsk, the rest of Ukraine can unite against him and the rebels, he too got all of his family.
    4. svetlomor
      svetlomor April 17 2014 12: 31
      0
      Quote: Rus2012
      the appearance of the people of the legitimate President Yanukovych.

      After that, more bloody battles will begin, the junta will want Yanukovych to either be arrested or banged, and they will try to prevent this in Donetsk.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 April 17 2014 12: 44
        0
        Quote: svetlomor
        , the junta wants Yanukovych to either arrest or bang

        they would do it with great pleasure if they COULD.
        But who will let them do it?
        laughing
    5. demon184
      demon184 April 17 2014 13: 18
      +11
      And the parade in Kiev on May 9 !!!!
    6. EvgenSuslov
      EvgenSuslov April 17 2014 14: 30
      0
      I'm afraid he is not expected there either. It really hurts a lot of dark tricks for him to remember.
  2. Stiletto
    Stiletto April 17 2014 12: 18
    +14
    Drive Russia, to be? Oh well. It seems that SsyShyya forgot the main rule:
    Do not dig another hole - you yourself will fall into it!
    1. Vorodis_vA
      Vorodis_vA April 17 2014 12: 29
      +1
      do not dig another hole, it’s no longer relevant that you get yourself, actually, don’t dig another hole, let him dig it for himself! here are some of our opponents who are actively engaged in this; soon they will not be able to get out
    2. Morgan
      Morgan April 17 2014 13: 02
      0
      They have already fallen - Israel’s position is the beginning of the end of the Yankees. Symptom-s ...
  3. 51064
    51064 April 17 2014 12: 18
    +7
    Everything is right, the United States and their puppets are behind everything that has happened in Ukraine and is happening now.
  4. fregina1
    fregina1 April 17 2014 12: 19
    +11
    There is no need to officially send troops anywhere yet! The tactics of "little green men are correct! Plus our instructors! In Donbass, everything will work out - they only lack an organizational moment!"
    1. Corsair
      Corsair April 17 2014 12: 36
      +2
      Quote: fregina1
      There is no need to officially send troops anywhere yet! The tactics of "little green men are correct! Plus our instructors! In Donbass, everything will work out - they only lack an organizational moment!"

      They threaten us with "Vietnam", but we know how the USSR acted then ...
      After all, the Union officially did not participate in the war, but acted by methods, materials about which are probably stored in the bowels of the archives of the Moscow Region ...
      And the direct participants in the planning and implementation of those operations are alive.

      A priceless storehouse of knowledge ...
  5. AleksPol
    AleksPol April 17 2014 12: 23
    +5
    "Here the Americans are trying to implement the same scenario that they themselves went through during their participation in the internal conflict inside Vietnam."

    The comparison is not correct. The United States got into a showdown of a completely alien people. Now there is an etching of Slavic peoples. Creating instability on the Russian border.
  6. Roman1970
    Roman1970 April 17 2014 12: 24
    +4
    Quote: Rus2012
    The end of the junta is closer than ever -
    this Sunday, Easter, in Donetsk, the appearance of the people of the legitimate President Yanukovych will take place.
    After this, the junta will only have to run ...

    I would not be so categorical .... Everything is not simple at all. Well, Yanukovych will "appear", so what? Theoretically, he is legitimate, but de facto, Ukrainians hardly love him ... Or are you being ironic?
    1. Vorodis_vA
      Vorodis_vA April 17 2014 12: 30
      0
      I apologize to the wrong comment answered
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 April 17 2014 12: 31
      +6
      Quote: Roman1970
      Or are you ironic?

      ...not at all.
      Yanyk should come and tell the people something like this:
      the junta is legitimate to drive them! Accordingly, the army and other security forces do not obey the junta.
      - militias of the South-East, as well as people's leaders - to legitimize.
      - 25 May elections-declare illegal
      - set new dates for the referendum and elections at all levels.
      - To declare that he himself will not run and ask for forgiveness before the people for himself and his government.

      As for the junta - they do not succeed in any undertaking, even an ATO attempt. Nobody outside Maidan and Bankova does not listen to them and does not listen. It remains only to tick ...

      Nadnyakh Zhirik called Parubiy and scared him ... there is a video of how the latter runs around looking for the 5 angle during the conversation. In this case, Zhirik acted as a guarantor of certain forces ... not only Russian ...
      1. Not served
        Not served April 17 2014 13: 12
        0
        What other forces? belay
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 April 17 2014 13: 16
          +1
          Quote: Didn't serve
          What other forces?

          ... those who oppose syshya, geyropam ... rockefellers, Anglo-Saxons, Hasidim, Wahhabis, black international ...
          1. Serg 122
            Serg 122 April 17 2014 16: 14
            0
            ... those who oppose syshya, geyropam ... rockefellers, Anglo-Saxons, Hasidim, Wahhabis, black international ...
            Who is this?
  7. GDP
    GDP April 17 2014 12: 25
    -5
    And yet it seems to me that the Junta has the opportunity to curb a single and indivisible unitary Ukraine - this is the creation of a totalitarian police state with total universal propaganda, censorship of all that is possible and the fight against dissent at all levels ...
    Spontaneous uprisings will be drowned in blood, the Russians will gradually either forget their language or flee to Russia ...
    In a couple of decades of such treatment, the population will decrease by several million, the standard of living will fall, but the pro-Russian population will not remain, or they will be crushed in all respects (morally, psychologically, politically and legally ...).

    There is, of course, one pitfall - will they not bite together?
    1. VengefulRat
      VengefulRat April 17 2014 12: 30
      +5
      The most worthless option, but this may well be. And even the pro-Russian Southeast in such a scenario, years through 10-15 will become Russophobian Ukraine. I open Ukrainian news and read: Monument to Lenin in Volyn will be melted down to the monuments of Bandera and hundreds of heaven.
      And censorship and propaganda are already there.
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 April 17 2014 12: 36
      +1
      Quote: GDP
      And yet it seems to me that the Junta has the opportunity to curb


      if they even have ATO - it doesn’t work out, what can I talk about? Run until you take ...
    3. inkass_98
      inkass_98 April 17 2014 12: 42
      +2
      Quote: GDP
      the junta has the opportunity to curb a single and indivisible unitary Ukraine - this is the creation of a totalitarian police state

      To do this, it was necessary from the very beginning to begin to form a repressive apparatus, which the Bolsheviks thought of when they created the Cheka. And the juntyats immediately turned against themselves the special services (I do not mean the SBU), accusing "Berkut" of all mortal sins. And now it's hard to gather the security forces together. It is easier with the media, they will sing what they are paid for.
      Quote: GDP
      For a couple of decades of such processing

      They do not have these decades, for this it is necessary to have some kind of ideology and strategic plans. And they have plans to snatch with an eye on the big uncles, and then jump off somewhere so that they don’t find ...
      1. GDP
        GDP April 17 2014 12: 47
        +1
        To do this, it was necessary from the very beginning to begin to form a repressive apparatus, which the Bolsheviks thought of by creating the Cheka.

        And the various guards and armed groups of ideologically correct Ukrainians that they create? What is not the basis for creating a repressive apparatus? Yes, and brainwashing on the military and the police also works - they are people too ...
        They do not have these decades, for this it is necessary to have some kind of ideology and strategic plans. And they have plans to snatch with an eye on the big uncles, and then jump off somewhere so that they don’t find ...

        Not the fact that this is included in the plans of NATO, the USA and the EU, which actually brought them to power and provide all kinds of support.

        if they even have ATO - it doesn’t work out, what can I talk about? Run until you take ...


        Whoever has seized power will not simply leave and let's notice how the geography of protests decreases:
        In Odessa, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye - they are almost gone - the junta fighters and security forces rule the ball.
        Kharkov - organized defense - fell on the first day
        Now only Donetsk and Lugansk regions are raging ...
        If they begin to act harshly there, will their fate befall Kharkov?
        I personally do not know, and I will not promise to predict the victory of either side.
        Donetsk residents hope for help from Russia.
        Will our government decide to provide them with effective and efficient assistance, and not just moral and political support?
        I'm not sure of that either.
        But still I hope that our brothers in Ukraine will win, but at the same time I do not exclude the worst case scenario ...
    4. kotvov
      kotvov April 17 2014 13: 07
      0
      but where is all this time and money. Let's say that the Tsruushniki still throw dough to them, and where to get it? Theirs mixers do not act very much to the southeast. But provocations are very possible, I think ours are calculating these situations, and will prompt in time .
    5. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey April 17 2014 13: 54
      0
      Of course they can, only it will be necessary to find those who need to be drowned, as you know the force of action is equal to the strength of the opposition, the very first tough actions of the Kiev Fuhrer will cause retaliation and the Euro Maidan, excuse me, the guards will not pull in a real battle, the heirs of Bandera unarmed and again underground, and then you have to shed the blood.
  8. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 17 2014 12: 26
    +1
    Yes, the Crimean version will not work here
  9. zzz
    zzz April 17 2014 12: 26
    +2
    and Kiev and its environs will still be in a sort of agony, plunged into internal contradictions, chaos, poverty and complete decline.

    And rightly so. Let them again deserve to be called the mother of the cities of RUSSIAN.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 April 17 2014 12: 49
      +1
      Quote: zzz
      and Kiev and the surrounding area will still be in a sort of agony

      ... the reformatted army, the militias and the same Berkut - can easily come and free the kuev ... but it is better to let the "Kiev intellectuals" eat their guano to the fullest ...
      And to free the capital of the Square by the fall ... Let them put their heads in order for now. And then you see, "cookies" dragged money to the Maidan ...
      1. GDP
        GDP April 17 2014 13: 02
        +2
        And free the capital city by fall ..

        Or next spring, after a cold winter and bundles of notices of unpaid debts for utility bills ...
  10. from punk
    from punk April 17 2014 12: 27
    0
    to drive into a corner? how is it even possible? the dodgers are trying to talk with us about a country’s position. Given the fact that many leaders do not have 30% of the support of their own citizens. In general, it’s very good that all this mask of hatred has been revealed. while they spit on UN rules, WTO. They give us the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. We return Crimea and Western business will not play according to the hysterical rules of its rulers
  11. ed65b
    ed65b April 17 2014 12: 30
    +8
    Tsarev must stop playing the election. move to Donetsk to renounce the junta and lead the movement. Russia, however, will help him with finances, coordination and weapons.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir April 17 2014 12: 35
      +5
      Yes, if Tsarev is not with the people, he will end.
      1. Grbear
        Grbear April 17 2014 13: 24
        +1
        If you listened carefully to C, you would understand that he is a supporter of a unitary state and agrees to autonomy only under the pressure of objective circumstances. Most likely, he is another "laggard" for the SE, but quite real for the Center and West of Ukraine. Plus, with some pretty good eggs. hi
        1. ed65b
          ed65b April 17 2014 14: 05
          +1
          He just had not decided yet; in Moscow he reasoned quite adequately about the federation. As the saying goes and I want and prick.
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 April 17 2014 12: 56
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      Tsarev must stop playing the election.

      Tsarev, it would seem, is good for everyone ...
      Yes, only lightweight, i.e. behind him practically none of the "solid and serious" who are in the shadows.
      If these agree among themselves and nominated, then yes, it can easily become presidents after the election ...
      1. ultra
        ultra April 17 2014 14: 47
        0
        Quote: Rus2012
        Yes, only lightweight, i.e. behind him practically none of the "solid and serious"

        Or maybe it's for the best?
  12. parusnik
    parusnik April 17 2014 12: 33
    +4
    The West needs Moscow to introduce military equipment
    And then ... they reptiles are just waiting for this ... and while they are silent .. Do not condemn the actions of Kiev, remember Kosovo, Serbia has introduced troops to restore order, how much the stench was: the genocide of the Albanians ... And then they are silent .. do not comment on the statements Farion, other bastards ..
  13. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 17 2014 12: 37
    +2
    Since the plans of the mattresses are calculated by our analysts, it is necessary to act so that these plans do not come true. Emotions aside, give them free rein when we win.
  14. Name
    Name April 17 2014 12: 39
    +15
    The fact that the Americans are asleep and see how Russia is introducing troops into the territory of Ukraine is no secret for a long time, for this the junta launched a "campaign" in the East, however, they did not expect such resistance from the residents and the refusal of the Armed Forces to use weapons against civilians, so without aid to Russia maydanutym. As for the sanctions, everything is mirrored ...
    1. Deff
      Deff April 17 2014 13: 50
      +2
      It’s high time to prepare and voice the draft sanctions response.
      1. Include economic damage from sanctions in gas payments for Europe.
      2. With the strengthening of sanctions, the transfer of payment for gas in rubles (Let them maintain the stability of the ruble and destabilize the dollar)
  15. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS April 17 2014 12: 41
    +2
    USSR - may change the name, but the meaning is all home.
  16. kaa1977
    kaa1977 April 17 2014 12: 58
    0
    You need to play politics carefully, by itself. Sneaking only in computer games against zombies is possible.
  17. Jackyun
    Jackyun April 17 2014 13: 04
    +7
    this Sunday, Easter, in Donetsk, the appearance of the people of the legitimate President Yanukovych
    Maybe I'm wrong. But! The phenomenon of Yanukovych is certainly necessary, because he is de jure president. However, de facto he is, at best, no one. In the current situation, it is necessary to transfer legally legitimate power to the leaders of Donbas, for example, by making a statement on his resignation and appointing an interim president. If you remember, B.N. did just that. Yeltsin and this is a normal, civilized practice of democratic states.
    Thus, the very fact of the appearance of Yanukovych in Donetsk and the legal transfer of power will raise the authority of the leaders of the Donbas in the eyes of the population, since they are not connected in any way with the Yanukovych clan and are not covered by his rule, but receive power by constitutional means, and, on the other hand, this step will an act of Yanukovych’s repentance to his voters, which at least partially rehabilitates him.
    Further, Mr. Yanukovych can go on indefinite vacation in any region of Russia.
  18. mig31
    mig31 April 17 2014 13: 06
    0
    Do not dig a hole for others; you yourself will fall into it. Popular wisdom
  19. Thomas
    Thomas April 17 2014 13: 12
    +5
    “The United States decided to kill two birds with one stone. First, write in your "asset" half of Ukraine. Secondly, to put Russia in an unfavorable light ... Thus, a state appears on the new "Ukrainian-Ukrainian" border, for which the return of lost "eastern territories" can become a national idea, the deputy director of the National Institute of the development of modern ideology Igor Shatrov.

    Absolutely right. And so we need Yanukovych. Let formally, temporarily, but needed. Forces should be enough and their own. Russia in this situation should be a guarantor of non-interference of external forces in the open. Referendum. And then - according to the situation.
  20. maestro123
    maestro123 April 17 2014 13: 12
    +2
    Tymoshenko can still be swallowed, but Turchinova? laughing



    He's prickly ... laughing
  21. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 April 17 2014 13: 34
    +2
    Today is a great day. Vladimir Vladimirovich says where Russia will go in a place with him. Lavrov will indicate the place of zapadentsev and mattresses and the junta is already sitting at the bucket.
  22. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx April 17 2014 13: 46
    0
    Russia has all the opportunities to influence the situation in the country through civil society, through public organizations, structures like private security companies, or on the initiative of volunteers from both Russia and the former Ukraine.

    That's right to begin with. For federalization of the SE as part of Ukraine we are talking less and less. But more and more we are talking about independent republics with subsequent accession to the Russian Federation. In this, people see a guarantee of their peace of mind, a peaceful life and guarantees that the Banderlog will not arrange their sabbaths in the SE and force everyone to live according to the Bandera-Nazi standards. In the southeast, only a small number of marginals, opportunists with a personal trough, and the top of all parties who care only for their own feeding trough, in order to be able to continue to engage in banal money-grubbing in their "ulus", speak about staying in Ukraine in the SE. In the SE, the ratings of all ukroparty have recently slipped to a minimum. Similarly, with the local "princelings". The people need a normal job, a quiet life and stability. For this, people are demanding a referendum. Moreover, the all-Ukrainian in the SE already and nafig nobody needs, only the regional, since the junta will twist the all-Ukrainian referendum, as it wants. Therefore, the support of Russia of the people themselves and the people's nominees plays an important role in the struggle of the southeast. People see that they are not alone, they have someone to rely on, and this already instills resilience in the people.
  23. Krsk
    Krsk April 17 2014 13: 58
    0
    Russia is trying to scare NATO ??? Excuse me, but you can ask NATO soldiers are ordinary? And that they will go to die for tolerast ??? oh I don't think so. they have censorship there, I agree, but how many, with the current development of the Internet and other types of communication in general, use one source of information? so in the event of a "hot" development of events, it is not known where the tanks of the EU countries will go. don't tell me how to say ...
  24. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta April 17 2014 14: 19
    +2
    Quote: Rus2012
    Quote: mamont5
    Now, I think, you can do without it

    nonetheless ... he is a centering force, a symbol around which EVERYTHING can gather. There are no other personalities yet ...


    It's time for Yanukovych to allocate qualified security in the number of 20000 people and return to Kharkov for a start.
  25. Good cat
    Good cat April 17 2014 14: 20
    +1
    Tsarev, I think, is not suitable as a leader. That zapadentets is still.
  26. sv68
    sv68 April 17 2014 15: 00
    +1
    us decided to drive Russia into a trap, give the Russians Alaska and ukroinu fool
  27. Dromac
    Dromac April 17 2014 15: 02
    0
    Yanukovych must work out his bread. This is the only option for a legitimate separation of the southeast ... It will come, it will be supported, the unification of the regions at hand of Yanukovich will happen. Then a referendum, detachment from Ukraine, then the accession of those who harnessed for a long time, the formation of a state, a referendum on joining Russia, etc. Generally waiting
    1. Orc-xnumx
      Orc-xnumx April 17 2014 16: 29
      0
      Yanyk is pissed!
  28. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx April 17 2014 16: 03
    0
    as if the Americans were going to the bank, I think the GDP will understand this, I’m sure that they’ll come up with some ideas how to answer the call, I think it’s not enough to show up!
  29. demotivator
    demotivator April 17 2014 16: 04
    0
    Quote: Rus2012
    The end of the junta is near as never before ...

    The laws of Nature are inexorable, and she, Nature, does not forgive anyone their violation. We are now benefiting from the decade of impending breakthrough in the abscess that was injected by Kuchma, Yushchenko and Yanukovych.
    They weakened the army (weakening it to the limit beyond which it is simply not capable of combat) and they, with their thieves' rule, so "prepared the people of Ukraine" that they all now wanted to go under the wing of Russia, where there is satiety and order.
    The West, in its arrogant stupidity, emanating from the arrogant notion that "Russia will never be able to get up from its knees," made a mistake on our account and missed the moment when Russia no longer just got up, but raised its armed fists (and NOW BE AFRAID! !!!)
    We will not include Donbass and Odessa region in our membership - let it be INDEPENDENT FRIENDLY REPUBLIC (in the manner of Abkhazia and South Ossetia), and we will help them very, very much.
    But Ukraine (or rather, what is left of it) will fall as a dependent burden on the shoulders of the European Union. And here their dreams come true - Kiev drug addicts, thieves, loafers and prostitutes will pour into Brussels and Amsterdam, and in Kiev in "Budinok z Khymerami" (government house) zapadents from Lvov and Chernivtsi will sit.
    However, Turchinova, Klitschko and Yatsenik even before this planted (as Julia was already sitting).
    And the United States, and this time miscalculated.
  30. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx April 17 2014 16: 27
    +1
    Do not forget about the debts of Kiev, because in case of federalization, each part of Ukraine will receive a share of nat. debt. In the case of the withdrawal of any areas from Ukraine, all debts will remain to Kiev!