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Military in Lugansk: we do not want civil war

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Military in Lugansk: we do not want civil war



Stopped at the approaches to Lugansk, a column of Ukrainian armored vehicles was heading from the border to the place of permanent deployment.

“Not to believe that we were sent to Lugansk, Donetsk or anywhere else,” said one of the servicemen who took part in negotiations with the city’s self-defense forces. “We don’t want a civil war, much less any conflicts with the population,” he said.

A column of military equipment from six armored personnel carriers and six howitzers was stopped at the old tank road in the forest between the cities of Happiness and Raigorodka (a suburb of Lugansk). Representatives of local authorities and self-defense forces entered into negotiations with the military to convince them not to fight against their fellow citizens.

The military said that they belong to the Zhytomyr brigade of the Air Force, were seconded to strengthen border security and are now returning to the location. In the morning they intend to leave the suburb of Lugansk.

At the same time, according to Interfax, the military does not have distinction signs by which it would be possible to determine their rank, membership in a military unit and country.

In turn, the Lugansk defense forces stepped up guarding the roadblock in this direction, and on the bridge in the Raygorodka area, local residents began to create an improvised tire barrage.
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  1. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU April 16 2014 11: 30
    +28
    Military in Lugansk: we do not want civil war


    With these words, they are getting closer to the cities of Donbass and are already entering them. Already in Kramatorsk, bastards !! We came with the world, only kindly recognize the Bandera power!
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU April 16 2014 11: 31
      +1
      Photofact. Armored vehicles in Kramatorsk (updated)

      http://hi.dn.ua/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45870:2014-04-16-08
      -44-59 & catid = 55: kramatorsk & Itemid = 147
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU April 16 2014 11: 38
        +4
        Military equipment on the streets of Kramatorsk:

        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 16 2014 11: 52
          +17
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Military equipment on the streets of Kramatorsk:

          Glory, they are already driving Russian flags around the city laughing This Counter Terrorist Operation Witnesses World History wassat
          1. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia April 16 2014 11: 53
            +16
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Glory, they are already chasing laughing with Russian flags around the city. This counter-terrorist operation will witness the history of wassat

            C censor. net:
            09.25 - Military equipment entered Kramatorsk.
            10.11 - Pro-Russian fighters in Kramatorsk captured 6 armored personnel carriers participating in the anti-terrorist operation.
            10.17 - A column of armored vehicles under the Russian flag and with "green men" on board is moving across Kramatorsk
            .

            Comments:
            - nonsense
            - Yes, I already write everywhere. What kind of atom directs?
            - .... you still bring vodka to them
            - Were the armored personnel carriers chtoli without crews? Or, again, "Crimean syndrome"?
            - Well, just no words, what kind of ATO is this?
            - Shame
            - Fuck, warriors ...
            - Guys, the main thing is do not land planes nearby, but you never know ...
            - piz ​​... some kind. How can a bunch of shit put an entire army of cancer?
            - what the hell is that? if this is true, then there is already ... well, just no words
            - Avakov is just super. It seems today the people in Kiev will tear him up for such a thing.
            1. major071
              major071 April 16 2014 11: 58
              +25
              GreatRussia
              C censor. net: - Avakov is just super. It seems today the people in Kiev will tear him up for such a thing.

              Then some people throw Avakov reminders!
              1. nika407
                nika407 April 16 2014 12: 08
                +13
                Facebook post.
                1. Gecko
                  Gecko April 16 2014 13: 12
                  +7
                  Blood is not red, I knew that he was undead ... smile
                  1. sv68
                    sv68 April 16 2014 14: 16
                    +2
                    it’s not blood — he has a brain of this color — he shot himself, a brain leaked out a little bit of gum, closed up and went on to command
                  2. sv68
                    sv68 April 16 2014 14: 17
                    0
                    it’s not blood — he has a brain of this color — he shot himself, a brain leaked out a little bit of gum, closed up and went on to command
                  3. Kazanec
                    Kazanec April 16 2014 14: 22
                    0
                    He is water :)))) wassat
                2. Kazanec
                  Kazanec April 16 2014 14: 21
                  0
                  A good motivator, had fun :)))))))))))))))))))))
                3. Vasyan1971
                  Vasyan1971 April 16 2014 20: 08
                  0
                  All of April - don't trust anyone !!!
              2. Kazanec
                Kazanec April 16 2014 14: 19
                0
                Well done Kadyrov! :))))))))
            2. from punk
              from punk April 16 2014 12: 08
              +1
              Quote: GreatRussia
              C censor. net:

              another smile smiled at me-Lviv Maidan is preparing to receive refugees from the southeast winked
              1. avg
                avg April 16 2014 13: 10
                0
                Quote: punk
                another smile smiled at me-Lviv Maidan is preparing to receive refugees from the southeast

                Probably already in hotel prices have risen. And the refugees will be mainly from Kiev.
              2. Katyushka
                Katyushka April 16 2014 15: 05
                0
                Oddly enough, there are refugees from the southeast to Lviv. This is the right sector, which drove to the southeast in December-February. In the same way, refugees from Crimea went to Lviv.
          2. volot-voin
            volot-voin April 16 2014 11: 59
            0
            Already six armored personnel carriers are on the side of the militias.
            http://hi.dn.ua/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45880:2014-04-16-10
            -41-52 & catid = 55: kramatorsk & Itemid = 147
            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia April 16 2014 12: 16
              0
              Quote: volot-voin
              Already six armored personnel carriers are on the side of the militias.

              1. GreatRussia
                GreatRussia April 16 2014 12: 23
                +1
                Russian flag:
                1. GreatRussia
                  GreatRussia April 16 2014 12: 39
                  +3
                  On media sites controlled by the junta, they poke boiling water with poke and in absentia tear Turchinov and Co into small caresses. I feel that very soon we will observe the Maidan Namba 3.
                  http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/04/16/7022596/




                  1. major071
                    major071 April 16 2014 12: 59
                    +6
                    Great russia s
                    On media sites controlled by the junta, they poke boiling water with poke and in absentia tear Turchinov and Co into small caresses. I feel that very soon we will observe the Maidan Namba 3.
                    http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/04/16/7022596/

                    I went to your link, read the comments. A full paragraph, they themselves will gnaw through the campaign, and there is no need to introduce troops. But the "glorious" army of "virtual warriors of Ukraine" is still splashing saliva towards Russia, "fighting" behind the keyboard. I didn’t bother to respond to some attacks, let them take a break from their anger. Here neighing - neighing from some "clever" thoughts of "warriors" laughing
                    1. Bayonet
                      Bayonet April 16 2014 14: 09
                      0
                      He also looked - some stupid zapadentsi people. But what a bloodthirsty stsuki - outraged why they do not shoot at the population.
                    2. Dimkin
                      Dimkin April 16 2014 14: 24
                      0
                      I also decided to read the comments, this is something, for a long time I didn’t laugh at the flocks of sheep from the bottom of my heart. laughing
                  2. avaria30
                    avaria30 April 16 2014 13: 39
                    0
                    I clicked on the link, hmm, this is something ... So much hate ... The most interesting, mostly comments in Russian. But what about ridna mov?
              2. ed65b
                ed65b April 16 2014 12: 58
                +1
                They were seen yesterday by Nona and 2 bmd. only they were with the flag of the Airborne Forces and still stood in front of the city.
          3. ispaniard
            ispaniard April 16 2014 13: 46
            0
            This is only the beginning of the counter-terrorist operation, it will end in Lviv ... laughing
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        2. Eugene
          Eugene April 16 2014 12: 06
          +1
          We were waiting for provocations, and so the reaction of the Ukrainians, Russian troops in Ukraine:



          Unian:

          Tanks with Russian flags appeared in Kramatorsk - media

          Now on Ordzhonikidze Street in Kramatorsk there are five tanks under Russian flags.
          This was reported by the "Eastern Project".
          They move from the Old Town towards Slavyansk. It is known that tanks accompany the military.
          Also about the appearance in Kramatorsk of a column of armored vehicles with the Russian flag on his Facebook page wrote journalist Artem Shevchenko.
          "In Kramatorsk, there is a column of armored vehicles with a Russian flag of up to 10 units. With a landing party on board," little green men "," he writes.
      2. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx April 16 2014 11: 45
        +4
        God forbid Kiev degenerates really start a military or military operation in the Donbass! In response, it will fly so that the junta and the law-abductors with banderlogs will be happy for happiness if they manage to get to their caches !!! angry
        Here is a generalized opinion from one of the competent comrades: http://pravdatoday.info/content/kto-prolet-krov-na-yugo-vostoke-poluchit-svoy-le
        dorub-ili-kulyuvlob
        I don’t upload to VO, so as not to tease our dear modders. tongue
        1. mamont5
          mamont5 April 16 2014 12: 41
          +8
          Quote: Jogan-64
          God forbid Kiev degenerates really start a military or military operation in the Donbass! In response, it will fly so that the junta and the law-abductors with banderlogs for happiness will be if they manage to reach their caches !!! angry


          Yeah. Then you will not envy them. Here I found reflections on this topic by our writer, a former Afghan Gleb Bobrov:
          "First. The junta has no technical capabilities to solve the crisis in the South-East by military means. To clear one (!) SBU building in Luhansk, at least 1200-1300 well-trained, equipped, technically secured and highly motivated fighters are needed. The junta does not have them and cannot have them, if only because there is no one to sacrifice their lives for (well, not for the junta's and their sponsors, the fighters go under bullets ?!).
          What then means of pacification or, let's say, "subjugation" of the South-East may be available from the Kiev authorities? What other options do they have?

          The only thing the junta can do is shed blood in the form of provocation. That they can.
          What could be the reaction of the inhabitants of the Southeast, if, God forbid, blood is shed on their land?
          Yes, here the junta must understand the consequences. First, the entire Southeast will rise. Not children and students with ribbons in their heads will rise. That which should not be awakened in any case will rise. Only three or four "Afghans" call me alone every day with a simple question: "Well, so what should we do, brother?" While we are sitting on the priest evenly, but ... but if blood is spilled, then veterans of the Afghan and the armed forces, retired committee officers and border guards, "golden eagles" and veterans of the police, boys from the Airborne Forces and SPN will become operational. And there will be no burning tires, except for those that will be fastened with barbed wire and set on fire on the backs of the Ukrainian peacekeepers. Secondly, one must understand that in this case there will be no more talk of federalism, and the South-East, following the Crimea, will say clearly and unambiguously: "Fuck off, Ukraine!"
          The South-East, which can "send" Ukraine, is ...
          The junta must learn: South-East will not stop at the border of the Donetsk region.
          And the South-East, which does not stop at the border of the Donetsk region, will simply leave? And what will happen to the Kiev authorities?
          One more thing for the Kiev junta to learn. Every pid..ras, guilty of a drop of blood, must remember that from now on there will be no country where he could hide. Everyone guilty of blood will sooner or later receive their own personal ice ax, kuluvlob, or, at worst, a box of chocolates. For this is the logic of the historical process, if someone has not yet tasted what is happening. "
          http://pravdatoday.info/content/kto-prolet-krov-na-yugo-vostoke-poluchit-svoy-le
          dorub-ili-kulyuvlob
      3. domokl
        domokl April 16 2014 12: 45
        +1
        Hmm ... Interesting, but there are no veterans there? What kind of lamb stubbornness in faith? Is it really not clear what they lit up as the pioneers of these pickets? I’m sure that both the weapons and howitzers were in combat condition and with full BC.
        So let them expect greetings from Aunt Moti ...
        Any rf located in the area of ​​the operation is there to solve a specific problem. It's just that the howitzer battery will not ride through the woods ... Remember what they are for ...
        1. domokl
          domokl April 16 2014 13: 01
          0
          By the way, a little is off topic, but interesting ... A little rummaged in a shootout on the road. Where it is not clear who shot whom and who, but the corpse is ... So, the corpse is not fresh ... He was killed a couple of hours before the shelling ...
          It seems that the provocation was pure water. By the way, the certificate of the Russian journalist there is also fake. The journalist was not allowed into Ukraine ... He is in Moscow ...
          In short, on the eve of negotiations, the maydaunas are more often showing themselves as amateurs ... They can not intelligently organize a single provocation ...
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 April 16 2014 20: 17
            0
            And thank God that they are stupid in provocations! It will be much worse if they are taught by curators from overseas far.
    2. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf April 16 2014 11: 44
      +1
      Nevsky_ZU
      With these words, they are getting closer to the cities of Donbass and are already entering them. Already in Kramatorsk, bastards !! We came with the world, only kindly recognize the Bandera power!

      "We are against the civil war! We are people too! .... So lay down your arms and stay at home! They will come for you!"
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    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 16 2014 11: 59
      +6
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Already in Kramatorsk, bastards !!

      Oh these bastards, they took and went over to the side of resistance laughing
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 16 2014 12: 04
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      their. Already in Kramatorsk, bastards !!

      laughing
      1. jjj
        jjj April 16 2014 12: 09
        +3
        On the other hand, it can be shown in the West as evidence of the Russian occupation
        1. Mareman Vasilich
          Mareman Vasilich April 16 2014 12: 29
          +3
          The West will find something to show without it. For they themselves are made of shit.
    6. Manul
      Manul April 16 2014 13: 05
      0
      Can anyone explain the situation with the airfield near Kramatorsk? Was there an attack? Was there a shooting? Are there any dead or wounded? Was there a helicopter bombardment of the checkpoint? I can’t find reliable information anywhere!
      1. Manul
        Manul April 16 2014 16: 01
        0
        Quote: Manul
        Can anyone explain the situation with the airfield near Kramatorsk? Was there an attack? Was there a shooting? Are there any dead or wounded? Was there a helicopter bombardment of the checkpoint? I can’t find reliable information anywhere!

        I answer myself laughing Here is the link
        http://rusvesna.su/news/1397589664
        You can all while exhale tongue fellow .Provocation to send Russian troops once again failed. Turchinov and company bite their nails and chew ties. Obama bangs his head against the wall. wassat
    7. Flooding
      Flooding April 16 2014 13: 06
      0
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Already in Kramatorsk, bastards !! We have come with the world, just be so kind as to acknowledge Bandera’s power!

      Residents of Krasnoarmeysk meet the National Guard
    8. razved
      razved April 16 2014 22: 12
      0
      In fact, propaganda tells them. that they are going to war with an external aggressor who is killing a peaceful Ukrainian population. And many military are simply shocked by what is actually happening. It is a fact. The promotion of maydauns works at its full potential.
  2. chastener
    chastener April 16 2014 11: 32
    +3
    Well, at least someone had a head on their shoulders. I'd like to hope that everything will be decided peacefully.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU April 16 2014 11: 41
      +5
      Kramatorsk tanks in the Old City 16.04.14 to 9.00 part of 2

      Allegedly: The army went to the world and went under the command of the national militia. I clarify.

      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia April 16 2014 11: 50
        +3
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Allegedly: The army went to the world and went under the command of the national militia. I clarify.

        And then what?

      2. ed65b
        ed65b April 16 2014 13: 06
        0
        These are the same as at the very beginning.
    2. Michael-rl
      Michael-rl April 16 2014 12: 11
      +6
      Judging by the confused faces of the Ukrainian army, it seems to me that they are constantly being told stories about the villages and towns captured by the Russians, how they torture local residents and make them stand with Russian flags with machine guns (and the military, especially when they are constantly in the field, are cut off from the outside world - took away my cell phone and say what you want). And so they come to liberate the cities from the invaders, and here local people, unarmed and for some reason, are unhappy with the fact that they are being "liberated." Hence the confusion. =)
  3. paul1992
    paul1992 April 16 2014 11: 32
    +5
    THOSE. Do they withdraw troops from the border? honestly, I don’t understand what kind of cockroach the junta has in their head ....
  4. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time April 16 2014 11: 37
    +4
    And what does the howitzer have to do with the Air Force? Or are they mowing under stupid? It is necessary to monitor their movements, if they do not go away, then take appropriate measures. Only so, otherwise it could be otherwise ...
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    2. Fin
      Fin April 16 2014 11: 52
      +5
      Quote: Coffee_time
      And what does the howitzer have to do with the Air Force?

      Shells fired from howitzers fly, so the Air Force laughing
      1. moscow
        moscow April 16 2014 12: 06
        0
        probably mixed up with the airborne ... Nona 2S9 and a penny.
      2. Kazanec
        Kazanec April 16 2014 14: 30
        0
        Logically :) Here is the explanation :))))))))
    3. igor_m_p
      igor_m_p April 16 2014 12: 59
      0
      In the video for Russia, 24 showed a convoy of four BMDs, one nona and one tent-mounted Kamaz.
      But just do this ATO becomes like a theater of the absurd ...
  5. Fedya Sukhov
    Fedya Sukhov April 16 2014 11: 37
    +6
    "Don't believe that we were sent to Luhansk, Donetsk or anywhere else," said one of the servicemen who took part in negotiations with the city's self-defense forces. "We do not want a civil war, and even less any conflicts with the population!" Well, since such a thing, the trunks up the hill and go back, or even better to Kiev and machine guns with cannons in the aiming plane!
  6. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS April 16 2014 11: 39
    +2
    And Belarus will say all this?
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 April 16 2014 12: 50
      0
      there was a NATO commission in Belarus recently, they left on March 21.
      Old Man therefore sings this way and that.
  7. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 16 2014 11: 39
    0
    I didn’t understand anything, the news said that the howitzers were deployed for firing. And now that we do not want war. Already rolled up?
    1. Pasus
      Pasus April 16 2014 11: 44
      +1
      there is operational infa, if I may say so, from civilians.
      http://rusvesna.su/news/1397589664
    2. engineer74
      engineer74 April 16 2014 11: 49
      0
      Do you think that in the Ukrainian Armed Forces there are only 6 howitzers? It seems to me that there are much more of them, and, most sadly, there are enough scumbags for the calculations ... sad
    3. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf April 16 2014 11: 53
      0
      JoylyRoger
      I didn’t understand anything, the news said that the howitzers were deployed for firing. And now that we do not want war. Already rolled up?

      As easy as pie! Tomorrow 17.04 will be a joint meeting of the Russian Federation, USA, Ukraine and others on the Ukrainian issue. It is necessary to show oneself from the best side.
      Maybe the mind is enough, and until Easter they will only chat and through the media to nerves.
      But unequivocally all this geo-integrated badness, it is necessary to finish all things before 9 of May. Not later than! To have time, prepare for the election to legalize the banderlog.
      Well, to be in time on May 9
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  8. Black
    Black April 16 2014 11: 40
    +3
    TO BELIEVE THAT THE JUNIORS will back away, having not received under the hope of a miracle.
    Cities will be taken, forced, at first by persuasion, it will not work, they will use weapons.
    Quote: Punisher
    Well, at least someone had a head on their shoulders.

    No head. Tactics.
  9. marder4
    marder4 April 16 2014 11: 41
    +4
    and howitzers why? are you planning to level your own cities with the land ???
    1. Magadan
      Magadan April 16 2014 13: 31
      +1
      By the way - they’ll shoot from howitzers, then they’ll certainly get rid of them from the air. Well, the no-fly zone will be installed immediately
  10. Pasus
    Pasus April 16 2014 11: 43
    +3
    and the warriors are Ukrainian poor fellow, it’s clear that they don’t want a civil war, but dangle like they weren’t chained because of dolbo.bov human fish, eggs and other law-abomination.
  11. from punk
    from punk April 16 2014 11: 46
    +2
    pizza I’m all giving up. I really giving up. We lost the fight, it’s useless. The junta is a zombie brain-eater. You’re idiots and you’re crazy
    1. alvog
      alvog April 16 2014 11: 55
      +13
      Novodvorskaya called on the Right Sector to provoke a war with Russia
      My question is a little off topic: why this old woman will not be attracted for inciting a war?
      1. Little Muck
        Little Muck April 16 2014 11: 59
        +1
        Maybe just clean it up?
        If they are not involved in a criminal offense (they will give a license to shoot), with joy. Although the list should be much wider. hi
        Hold for the general zoo. laughing
      2. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia April 16 2014 12: 22
        +1
        Quote: alvog
        My question is a little off topic: why this old woman will not be attracted for inciting a war?

        For life. Fat scum on a camp diet !!!!!
      3. Manul
        Manul April 16 2014 12: 49
        +3
        Quote: alvog
        My question is a little off topic: why is this sarukha not attracted for starting a war?

        Do you all understand? My friend said that she was an FSB colonel undercover. I was neighing then, and now I don’t even know what to think ... She’s discrediting the fifth column all over the country so that everyone is sick. It’s all, even those who are it was yesterday! laughing laughing laughing
        So let him continue to cultivate self-hatred, Shenderovich, Germans and other scum. And if we plant them, we will calm down. And new, secretive and more skilled ones will come.
      4. nicollider
        nicollider April 16 2014 12: 56
        0
        she has a certificate that she is insane. issued even during the USSR. well at least there is no permission to * fuck on the street
      5. Magadan
        Magadan April 16 2014 13: 30
        +1
        because the old woman is one of the proofs of the real existence of real freedom of speech in Russia. Which everyone blames for the fact that we are slaves here, and we dare not blame against the "putler"
      6. max702
        max702 April 16 2014 13: 53
        0
        She needs such shots to poke their fingers in them and say what awaits us if they are allowed to take power ... In my opinion, this is a very correct policy, with such an opposition you can sleep peacefully .. they perfectly raise the rating of current leaders, I always said that VVN had great PR team, if only such professionals worked in other ministries and departments, we would have long been ahead of the rest ...
      7. ispaniard
        ispaniard April 16 2014 13: 57
        0
        Yes on the Maidan it is necessary to her "Friends"! There they will quickly make a shish kebab out of her, because for them she is just Zhido-bka am
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      9. kaluganew
        kaluganew April 16 2014 15: 06
        0
        This is a clinical case, here doctors should help)
  12. svp67
    svp67 April 16 2014 11: 47
    +2
    Their task is 1. To show that "nova vlada" is capable and has the support of the army and other power structures
    2. "Catch" and show the whole world of Russian special forces
    3. All this is the trump cards of the western side in tomorrow's talks.

    I was very interested in the possible "loss" of 20 American citizens ... I wonder if this info will be confirmed ...
  13. vowa48
    vowa48 April 16 2014 11: 50
    +4
    11:10 / 16.04.201431104/XNUMX/XNUMX COMMENTARY Military equipment of the "Donbass Army" is heading towards Sloviansk. Six infantry fighting vehicles and a truck with militias moved towards one of the cities of the Donetsk region.

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    As a LifeNews correspondent reports, combat vehicles with representatives of the people's militia and the "Army of Donbass" are heading along the Kharkiv-Rostov highway towards Slavyansk.

    The column consists of six infantry fighting vehicles and a truck, in which, presumably, representatives of the militia are located.

    At the head of the column is a car of the temporarily acting mayor of Slavyansk, Vyacheslav Ponomarev. All the military have in their hands St. George ribbons, they hold the flags of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
    1. nika407
      nika407 April 16 2014 12: 12
      0
      Here is the screeching of the Ukrainian media: "Separatists for the children of the" green cholovichki "seized a number of armored personnel carriers, which went to Kramatorsk to carry out an anti-terrorist operation.
      About the tse povіdomlya correspondent "Islands".

      A hint of activity with georgievskie lines was extinguished by the cars and blocked them.

      As you write, you can see that kindly deported people in camouflages came to help the separatists. The spilny zusillas of the stench of the BRT and the identification of the murderers of the village of Ivanivka. "
      1. Magadan
        Magadan April 16 2014 13: 28
        0
        One sad plus from all these events. I began to understand how to understand. From Ukraine, I myself, from Dnepropetrovsk. My grandmother roamed with me on mov :) Since Gorbachev’s time, I’ve been to Rodin :(
      2. nemec55
        nemec55 April 16 2014 14: 22
        0
        Damn well, it's hard to translate Sholey EPT, I can write so too bglakeblakenrb
  14. shelva
    shelva April 16 2014 11: 52
    +3
    The presence of howitzers in this situation is not clear, not at all "operational" artillery.
  15. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer April 16 2014 11: 52
    +8
    They really do not want war. But this is half the truth. There will be an order - they will shoot.
    As they say in the theater - if a gun hangs on the wall - it will shoot in the second act. And here is not one gun.
    For those who have not yet understood, this is the beginning of a civil war. The worst thing that could have happened.
  16. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 16 2014 11: 53
    +2
    Just according to Life News, in a telephone conversation with a resident of Kramatorsk, he said that the military passed the people’s side and now they have armored vehicles.
    I will wait for confirmation of what has been said.
    1. major071
      major071 April 16 2014 12: 03
      +7
      Right now, according to Vesti24, the correspondent reports that the military in the center of Slavyansk put on St. George ribbons, in the center are the 6 BMD with the military who have switched to the side of the people. hi
    2. Turk
      Turk April 16 2014 13: 05
      0
      "It was not a seizure of the self-defense forces. The Ukrainian military arrived here, which is typical, under the Russian flag. Thus, they went over to the side of the people," the Rossiya 24 TV channel reported.

      According to the correspondent of the TV channel, at present, the cordon of self-defense units of Slavyansk is put up along the convoy of equipment. The correspondent claims that residents approach military personnel, communicate with them.

      See the original material at http://www.interfax.ru/world/371950
  17. 51064
    51064 April 16 2014 11: 57
    +3
    Today’s episode in Krasnoarmeysk.
    1. jjj
      jjj April 16 2014 12: 17
      +1
      And it seems like they showed it yesterday. There then the former commander will meet with his fighter and disperse to the world
  18. Sochi
    Sochi April 16 2014 11: 58
    +11
    - Have you heard the news? Ukraine is rebelling again.
    “What's the matter?” After all, they themselves drove away their king.
    - What a king! Now they say that impostors are not real either ...
  19. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta April 16 2014 12: 02
    +2
    The junta recklessly throws everything that they have to the East .., waiting for the blow of the Russian Bear, forgetting about the Belarusian Bear, who in the "low start" position looms over Kiev and is already impatiently waiting for a couple of Kiev citizens of Belarusian nationality to come out on Maidan and will report discrimination on TV cameras .. Old Man will not wait ..! He does not need to consult with the UN, OSCE, PACE, etc. !!! (remember how the GDR sheep in the 80s in Poland quickly put things in order?)
  20. Leshka
    Leshka April 16 2014 12: 04
    +1
    in Krymatorsk, the military sided with the people
  21. sluganska
    sluganska April 16 2014 12: 05
    +3
    Yesterday was in Lugansk until 23 00
    catastrophically few people ~ 1500 (
    but in general order, at the entrances the guys check the bags pockets, there is no drunkenness
    1. ed65b
      ed65b April 16 2014 13: 09
      0
      Quote: sluganska
      Yesterday was in Lugansk until 23 00
      catastrophically few people ~ 1500 (
      but in general order, at the entrances the guys check the bags pockets, there is no drunkenness

      Throw off the news Serega, it is better in the form of micro articles, then we all know right away not to climb the forum.
    2. Magadan
      Magadan April 16 2014 13: 24
      +1
      Yes, this is what angers me the most! While some on the street are exposed to the junta’s blow, others decided to enter paradise on someone else’s hump!
      Damn, these couch potatoes - my khataskrayniki do not understand that they risk so much more? The junta will not crush the people with tanks. But if he calms the people back, he pretends that he does not notice the cute amusements of the Pravosek people, when they begin to openly spread rot people, make them pay tribute to the "needs of the revolution" and snatch the girls they like on the streets! And the SBU will pull out activists at night and give life sentences.
  22. Belarus
    Belarus April 16 2014 12: 08
    0
    I am worried about this:
    At the same time, according to Interfax, the military does not have distinction signs by which it would be possible to determine their rank, membership in a military unit and country.
    If they returned from reinforcing the border, then why in this form?
    1. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta April 16 2014 12: 14
      0
      don't worry bros, watch the comment on 12: 02.
    2. boozer
      boozer April 16 2014 12: 41
      0
      Well what would sew new insignia to Russia!
  23. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 16 2014 12: 09
    +1
    I look for the junta in the open wishing to fight with the people a little!

    Day - two three and those 2000 that were collected near Raisins, will run away in civilian homes, lay down their arms, go over to the side of the people.

    Remains the right sec and fanatics ...
  24. Not angry
    Not angry April 16 2014 12: 16
    0
    Quote: KAPITANUS
    And Belarus will say all this?


    there is no Belarus, there is Belarus.
    As for the people, it is adequate and most of them support the resistance of the southeast.
    For the president I will not say I do not know. hi
    1. yur
      yur April 16 2014 14: 16
      +1
      Quote: Not evil
      there is no Belarus, there is Belarus.
      There is Belarus. So in RUSSIAN called fraternal, friendly country to us.
  25. 51064
    51064 April 16 2014 12: 22
    0
    It looks like the truth
  26. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 16 2014 12: 22
    +1
    Already a panic ...

    Kiev. April 16th. INTERFAX.RU - The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine announced that it was taking measures to release its military personnel detained in Krasniy Luch (Lugansk Region).

    The press service of the Ministry of Defense said on Wednesday that an officer and a contract soldier stopped on the road to troubleshoot a company car, they were captured by armed men and taken away in an unknown direction.

    "The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine warns the persons involved in this action that their actions fall under the qualifications of a number of articles of the Criminal Code," the message says.

    "The leadership of the defense department is determined to react toughly to actions directed against the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who have sworn allegiance to the Ukrainian people and in good faith carry out their assignments," the statement says.

    Earlier on Wednesday, the Ministry of Defense reported somewhat different circumstances of the disappearance of two Ukrainian servicemen in Krasniy Luch. “Two of our cars broke down, after which they turned to the nearest regional police department in Krasniy Luch,” a source in the defense department told Interfax. According to the interlocutor of the agency, it was the police who handed over the Ukrainian military to the hands of local activists.
  27. mabuta
    mabuta April 16 2014 12: 28
    +6
    Those involved in the process, from the junta, are waiting for the first serious blood. In order to give the conflict an element of self-defense and legitimacy. Hence, provocations, guns, and hail. But at the same time everyone understands that they are burning down bridges to the former Ukraine, yes and to Russia.
  28. boozer
    boozer April 16 2014 12: 38
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    Military equipment on the streets of Kramatorsk:

    Glory, they are already driving Russian flags around the city laughing This Counter Terrorist Operation Witnesses World History wassat

    My head is spinning! fellow The idea is crazy - maybe everything ingenious is simple? The anti-terrorist operation together with the Armed Forces of Ukraine began against the fascist junta of Trupchinov, Yitsenyukh, Tyapnivpuk and a lady without a braid? soldier
  29. VeteranS
    VeteranS April 16 2014 12: 39
    +3
    Only thugs, for whom the gallows is crying, are capable of fighting their own people with tanks, "grads" and armored personnel carriers ... But most of all, those who push the Kiev junta to this bloodshed must answer ... And this is primarily the United States and NATO.
    I am convinced that the Ukrainian army for the most part does not want to shed the blood of its compatriots, except perhaps a zombified part from the western regions. And the national guard and the bandits of the "Right Sector" will be kicked by the self-defense fighters of the South-East right up to the Polish border!
    God save Russia and Holy Russia!
  30. Posya10rus
    Posya10rus April 16 2014 12: 46
    0
    Horseradish knows ... infa is completely different on TV, the Internet. There is no general picture. Yesterday, the guy was unsubscribing from Kramatorsk, hasn't he come out today?
  31. NikoEro
    NikoEro April 16 2014 13: 10
    0
    But I would not be happy about either the BMD in Slavyansk, or the vehicles with the flags of the Russian Federation in Kramatorsk. Such a "free" transfer of oneself and equipment, weapons - can be part of the junta / CIA plan, they say, there are already not people in the cities, but their own army and equipment, therefore, they can be suppressed with heavy weapons, because this population is no longer peaceful. TS cannon fodder was sent to "surrender" to the population. The CIA are capable of somersaults that untie their hands. Therefore, it is better to simply put these "trophies" in the caches together with the trophy guys who, I really hope, sincerely thought better of them and are not part of an insidious plan.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov April 16 2014 13: 55
      0
      well, you don’t rejoice and don’t have to. just turn on your head, the sons will go to kill the fathers. and about the cunning, the CIA heard and looked, they don’t have to go through the operation for the first time.
  32. Magadan
    Magadan April 16 2014 13: 12
    +1
    Eh, if the citizens of the South-East understand that they cannot stay at home, they must go out on the street en masse! And then the junta will not be able to do anything and then the whole world will see that there are not "separatist fighters" ...
    If at least some part of the military understands who the true enemy is and will go over to the side of the people ....
    If everyone understands that they will stay at home today, tomorrow they will come to their house for a tribute to the right-wingers!
    And not only for a tribute of money - then it is better for men to hide their beautiful wives and daughters! Do not believe? And what then did the junta itself recognize murder, robbery and rape in pro-Maidan Kiev ?!
    What will happen in the Russian East? Yes, and even after Natsik was forced to crawl on his knees?
    DO NOT SIT HOME! Do not sit behind other people!
    Guys, our troops will not go to Ukraine unless the junta begins to crush the people with tanks. And that is why the junta will not do anything MASSIVE. They will then hang you up and rape one by one.
  33. Nightcrawler
    Nightcrawler April 16 2014 13: 17
    +1
    Terrorists in Donetsk demand $ 50 from Jews under threat of expulsion.

    taken from censor.net)) What do they smoke there ??? That shake the euro and vodka from the oligarchs, the Jews kicked out)))
  34. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 16 2014 13: 18
    0
    The army and the people are one! So it was at all times, so it will be now.
  35. sem-yak
    sem-yak April 16 2014 13: 27
    +1
    In Truth, the Gene of Russian People is the Gene of Great Justice of True Nobleness and Soulful Kindness !!!
    Yes the enthusiastic spirit Mind! Yes, WE harness for a long time, we forgive, endure, We behave as it is inherent to lead the Truly Great and Mighty people! And let the pugs bark, and GDP like an elephant goes where he outlined! And he is silent, because there is no equal for conversation. Here he is to the pugs and gives instructions on what to do. And judging by the situation, he does soak the cats in their de ... well, so as not to crap from now on!
    “In recent days, President Putin has held extensive telephone conversations with a number of foreign leaders, including the US president, the German Chancellor, and specifically explained the unacceptability of attempts by those who seized power in Kiev by unconstitutional means to use force against protesters,” he said.
  36. fif21
    fif21 April 16 2014 13: 36
    0
    Need intelligence and counterintelligence. It is necessary to solve the issue of information from the media population of the southeast. Southeast Army Headquarters do this.
    1. Magadan
      Magadan April 16 2014 13: 56
      +1
      Good old way - flyers. In the form of such a short newspaper with basic requirements and news. Flyers scatter over the military.
      1. Manul
        Manul April 16 2014 14: 36
        0
        Quote: Magadan
        Good old way - flyers. In the form of such a short newspaper with basic requirements and news. Flyers scatter over the military.

        Do not forget about the Needles. They just need a reason; and a much more significant reason than a Russian helicopter above their heads. smile Although ... This is a thought. Make a high-precision leaf bomb on the suspension of our fighters! laughing soldier
  37. 120352
    120352 April 16 2014 14: 26
    0
    Neither the CIA nor their monkey Trupchinsky wondered. The Russian factor, as always, was not taken into account. Now, probably, the hair is torn at the speed of someone where they stayed.
  38. Manul
    Manul April 16 2014 14: 32
    0
    The main thing is when the people get to Kiev, to detain / arrest everyone in power, half of the Verkhovna Rada, which supported the right sector, the entire department of the SBU and all the CIA who are sitting there. And also the leadership and all the TV channels magazine. And then the investigation .. .. am winked angry
  39. andj61
    andj61 April 16 2014 14: 44
    0
    It seems that the soldiers stood outside in the open air, non-fed, talked to people and thought with their heads: there is no order, no emergency, not front terrorists and aggressors, but ordinary peaceful people, and they did the only thing possible to calm people - they raised the tricolor , and at the same time the flag of Uncle Vasya’s troops (or is it not him?).
    I went to the censor no, they are already seriously discussing the possibility of "pouring" holes in Lviv and Chernivtsi when they come there. The answer to the proposal to use aviation is - do you want the same planes and helicopters to arrive in Kiev? Or: Putin specially returned the ships so that we can equip bases for them, so that we can pick them up again together with the bases.
    Well, jokes: the tricky move of Ukraine to make the transfer of our troops to the West impossible with the transferred property. In short - a madhouse.
    But there are also our people on this forum.
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  41. Nightcrawler
    Nightcrawler April 16 2014 14: 50
    0
    Yeah, the joker pancake)))

    The head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine called the Russian flags on armored vehicles his military trick

    Russian flags on Ukrainian armored personnel carriers in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk were a military trick, argues the acting Minister of Defense of Ukraine. According to him, in this way, the Ukrainian military decided to enter the territory controlled by the militias.

    16 April 2014, 14: 36
    In BTR cars with Russian flags in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk, Donetsk Oblast, disguised Ukrainian military men moved to infiltrate units controlled by supporters of federalization, said the acting Head of the Fatherland faction Sergei Sobolev.
    “These are our armed units that used the guerrilla penetration method. This event will very soon be known, literally, within an hour or three, and you will understand that it was, in fact, a breakthrough, which was thus provided by our units, ”Sobolev said, referring to the information of the acting Minister of Defense.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda April 16 2014 15: 38
      0
      Sobolev on the collar ...
  42. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets April 16 2014 15: 20
    0
    The transition, surrender, demilitarization of the Ukrainian army continues.

    Nothing to feed here, from the balance of Kiev, transferred to the balance of Donbass laughing

    Kiev reports on large-scale redeployment of troops throughout Ukraine
    .
    Moscow. April 16. INTERFAX.RU - I. about. The head of the Batkivshchyna faction, Sergei Sobolev, said that the redeployment of Ukrainian military units, which began on Tuesday, is connected with the threat of aggression on the eastern border of Ukraine and will affect almost the entire country.

    "The redeployment of the general armed forces is carried out - and this was confirmed by the Minister of Defense - only within the framework of all procedures of the law that is in force in Ukraine, and this is allowed to be done only in this way: when the eastern borders of Ukraine are defended by representatives of Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Kirovograd, Kherson, units will be redeployed from Western Ukraine to the central part of Ukraine, "Sobolev said at a briefing in the Verkhovna Rada on Wednesday.

    Prior to this, a closed meeting was held in the Verkhovna Rada, at which and. about. Minister of Defense Mikhail Koval.
  43. Barakuda
    Barakuda April 16 2014 15: 25
    +1
    Damn, I have a crypt in a forest belt between NKMZ and Mashinostroiteley Boulevard in Kramatorsk, there are PPSh and RPK, maybe they rang, someone already found .. God forbid, in good hands, although there the earth is filled with metal, maybe still in place. For those who wish, I’ll draw up a chart. Business for half an hour, if there is a mine detector. 20 years in oil, the owner is waiting.
    And I do not care about Nalivaychenko with Avakov.
  44. kelevra
    kelevra April 16 2014 16: 48
    0
    If the military does not want, why there is no daredevil, like Colonel Budanov at one time (I will remind you. During the assault on the village of Komsomolskoye in Chechnya, he ignored orders and went to the rescue of 100 scouts who were ambushed., With two tanks he helped many .But some bastard bump from above didn’t give a damn about the heroic act and began to drag Budanov through military prosecutors) and won’t take Kiev! Won’t establish legitimate elections as it should be under international law. Mursi was elected in Egypt and no one shouted hysterically in the world !
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