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Ukrainian history and Russian spring

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Ukrainian history and Russian spring



Ukrainian politicians and journalists of nationalist views, and after them the mass of ordinary citizens who supported the Maidan, love to glue on their opponents the labels of “Ukrainophobes”, “Ukrainians” and haters of “everything Ukrainian”. A striking description of this unpretentious propaganda reception was given by another Bulgakov professor Preobrazhensky in his famous speech on the "counter-revolution".

In fact, all our imaginary "Ukrainophobia" stems only from a sincere lively interest in stories and the culture of Ukraine, and those who take the caricature sharovary or exotic Bandera for Ukraine as a genuine hostility are experiencing a strong hostility to us.

The archetypes of the Ukrainian revolt

Here, for example, such a vivid episode of national history as Koliivshchyna is an uprising of Cossacks and peasants in the Polish lands of Ukraine in the middle of the 18th century. Which of the citizens of famous views does not identify with its heroes? At the start of the election campaign to the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine in 2012, opposition candidates, priests of the non-canonical UOC of the Kiev Patriarchate and representatives of the national intelligentsia even conducted a ritual of consecrating knives in Kholodny Yar (Cherkasy region), sung by Taras Shevchenko in the poem “Gaydamaky”. And in Odessa, one of the most comical characters of the local Euromaidan - the lord by the name of Gutsalyuk - calls himself nothing more than “the ataman of the Black Sea Haidamak association”.

And now let's put aside sharovarshchina with mashingver inappropriate in Naddnipryanskaya Ukraine. What will we see? The uprising begins with the fact that the Zaporozhyan Cossack Zaliznyak drives around cities and towns and swings the “golden certificate” of Catherine Catherine, seeing that the then “quilted jackets” and “titushki” clutch at the knives. I suddenly remembered this episode when I read on Facebook the status of a well-known Moscow journalist Dmitry Olshansky that Russians, unlike Ukrainians without a state, do not cope well with their problems. They say that an uprising in Sevastopol without “polite people” would have drowned out just like an uprising in Donetsk.

“It’s ridiculous and sad,” writes Olshansky, “that in Ukraine our government is hindered by exactly the quality of the Russian people that helps it in Russia so much. Russians are not enough buzzing. Not because they feel good (...). But because there is no ORDER. As the Okhotorniy butcher said to Nikolai Pavlovich in 1848: you, sir, only order us, and we will arrange such a revolution for you, which is a pleasure. ”

So, in 1768, in order to raise a revolt, Zaliznyak falsified such an order! Imagine, it is all the same as if Pavel Gubarev, the current Ukrainian political prisoner No. XXUMX, read the order of the President of the Russian Federation on Donetsk Square: “Rise up and go and take power!”. From the point of view of the current “Haydamak”, the real Haydamak Zaliznyak is a traitor and a collaborator who, at a difficult moment for the country, entered the square under the flag of an “aggressive neighbor”. And then what happened? Against the traitor and the separatist Zaliznyak, a detachment of the “National Guard” led by Gonta was sent, so to speak, “to restore order”. What did he do instead? That's right, changed the oath! Traitor and disgrace of the armed forces of Ukraine! Shame!

Further more. Catherine eventually led the troops under the slogan of protecting the humanitarian rights of fellow believers. An occupation! Moreover, if we swapped "here" and "then", then an unbreakable wall of Poles, besieged in Umani by Jews and Haidamaks, who knew what they were doing with the first two categories of citizens, would have to stand against the Russian army. But in the XVIII century there was still no Kiev media, so in reality everything turned out quite the opposite. Even the Haidamaks, who started this whole thing, could not stand up to the regular European-style army that only Russia had at that time in this part of Europe.

Nerve history

This whole story, our homeland history, is a direct analogy to the current return of the Crimea, and not at all the Anschluss and the Munich Agreement. Just to make this obvious conclusion, you need at least a little bit of this very native story to know and love.

And what a ground for analogies gives another key episode of Ukrainian national history - Khmelnichchina! Bogdan-Zinoviy Khmelnitsky is just a “level 80 separatist”! Even the accession of Galicia by the Soviet Union in 1939 lies within the framework of the same historical logic, when the Ukrainian population of “similar Kresy”, exhausted by polonization and pacification, optimistically welcomed the Soviet Tanks.

The main nerve of Ukrainian history is that every time the humanitarian, political and social pressure of the West ends with a surge of popular anger and the arrival of more or less polite, but always well-armed people from the north-east. And as a result, the territory captured by the uprising is fully or partially part of Russia. That is why the real historical heirs of the Khmelnitsky and Koliivschina are not self-styled costumed clowns, but the current popular uprising of the Ukrainian Southeast, which has already been called the “Russian Spring”.
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  1. anrykaluga
    anrykaluga April 16 2014 19: 38
    +9
    This is definitely not going to end peacefully! They handed out grenades to monkeys !!!!
    1. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 April 16 2014 19: 47
      +7
      Just Urody !! I hope to meet in a hurry with death !! am
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 April 16 2014 20: 22
        +7
        Quote: ya.seliwerstov2013
        Just Urody !! I hope to meet in a hurry with death !!

        Just a stupid swoon! I hope to get to the Afghans, they know a lot of tricks with grenades!
    2. Uncle
      Uncle April 16 2014 20: 17
      +6
      Why did he run with a grenade? Smoked chi sho?
      1. I do not care
        I do not care April 16 2014 21: 02
        +1
        dear walk, laugh, and better insert a video
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y6xUxaqNa4&list=..
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 April 16 2014 21: 25
          +3
          Quote: me by
          dear walk, laugh, and better insert a video
    3. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey April 17 2014 05: 26
      0
      What Maidan, such an army-without brains and with hatred for its people.
  2. Klepa
    Klepa April 16 2014 19: 40
    +4
    A well-defined description of this unpretentious propaganda technique was given by the Bulgakov professor Preobrazhensky in his famous match about "counter-revolution."

    Than you did not like the word "monologue". What kind of Americanism is in the Russian speech ?!
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt April 16 2014 21: 37
      +2
      Is "monologue" Russian?laughing Horseradish radish is not sweeter.
      Now everyone began not to express an opinion, but to "voice thoughts." And their own. Or increase (decrease) "at times". Or "more than two militants were killed." And what is more difficult to calculate? Not taught on fingers, use a calculator.
      1. Klepa
        Klepa April 16 2014 21: 58
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        Is "monologue" Russian?laughing Horseradish radish is not sweeter.

        Monologue is a word that is officially in the Russian language, i.e. in academic dictionaries, despite the foreign etymology. There is no word "speech" in Russian and, I hope, never will be. The attempt to combine the Americanism of the "speech" with the image of Professor Preobrazhensky especially hurts the eyes and ears.
    3. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru April 17 2014 04: 33
      0
      Quote: Klepa
      What the Americanism in Russian speech ?!

      Then too "anglism".
  3. mikeinside
    mikeinside April 16 2014 19: 41
    +6
    Self-proclaimed president - turned out to be an Imposter.

    "The point of return has long passed, and now there are speeches
    there can’t be any agreements, said Vladimir Karasev. - To our governor
    threatened, but I want to state that
    resistance does not play these games of "regionals" and
    we will not accept any misconduct and contracts.
    As for the self-proclaimed president of the Southeast Anatoly Vizir, I want to say that
    if he were the chosen one of our people, then his
    would immediately suffer the fate of Pavel Gubarev and others
    activists. Therefore, do not perceive it
    seriously, because no one counts him as such.
    I also want to say that tonight will be
    the issue of assigning an exact
    referendum on the Lugansk national veche. Will be
    hope for a positive outcome. ”

    Source: anna-news.info
  4. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv April 16 2014 19: 42
    +12
    the current popular uprising of the Ukrainian Southeast, which has already received the name "Russian Spring".


    Good SPRING.
    She is different from others because ... Bloodless.
    That's what it is - RUSSIAN STYLE.
    good

    Wake up, Ukraine !!!
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv April 16 2014 19: 51
      +7
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Good SPRING.

      Slavs, Orthodox - can not fight against each other.
      Not ours.
      In the bath of politicians.
      yes

      The principle of RUSSIAN SPRING is simple:
      drinks
      1. VengefulRat
        VengefulRat April 16 2014 19: 55
        +21
        Russian spring
      2. Alex 241
        Alex 241 April 16 2014 20: 29
        +13
        Hello, hello. The flagship BPVSN Ukraine is ready to stand on alert.
        And how it sounds! Strategic armored train forces! Well, not cute? On April 15, the Special Operations Operational Headquarters in eastern Ukraine, led by Oleksandr Turchynov, decided to create a new kind of troops in the country's armed forces. This is an armored train of strategic importance. The commander of the armored train forces (BPVSN) appointed General Director of Ukrzalneznitsy Boris Ostapyuk, who was awarded the extraordinary military rank of lieutenant general. This decision was made due to the lack of fuel and batteries in the tank forces, as well as the inability of most armored vehicles to move independently. It is these units, including those evacuated from Crimea, that will serve as the basis for the creation of a new kind of troops. To speed up the process of formation of armored trains, trains with military equipment arriving in Kherson from the Crimea will not be unloaded. They will be understaffed with ammunition, as well as personnel. It turns out that the tanks will ride the train, and shoot from the train .. because they themselves do not know how to ride ...
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv April 16 2014 20: 40
          +4
          Quote: Alex 241
          The flagship BPVSN Ukraine is ready to stand on alert.

          Great, Sanya!
          drinks

          BPVSN ... well, just pippets.
          Whatever the child would amuse, but still they want to fill in the blood ...
          In the firebox to the bandar.

          Although the idea of ​​a power supply unit with tanks on a platform is not new, there were similar complexes in ZabVO, but they were multifunctional and "sharpened" for the TU terrain ...
          Do you remember talking about the "cunning" BTR-40?
          wink
          In the Czech Republic there were also platforms, but also "sharpened" for certain tasks.
          As a multifunctional ... - Well, it doesn’t roll for theater of Ukraine in any way.
          lol

          I really hope that the Zapadentsev will be thrown out into their own holes and Slavic blood will not pour under their tune.
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 16 2014 21: 05
            +3
            Quote: Alex 241
            The flagship of the BPVSN of Ukraine is ready to take up combat duty .... This decision was made due to the lack of fuel and batteries in the tank troops, as well as the inability of most armored vehicles to move independently.
            Quote: Aleks tv
            BPVSN ... well, just pippets.

            Greetings "Aleksov" hi
            Yes, they are shrinking ... BZHRK, that was the FLAGMAN, but THIS ... can not be called a misunderstanding ... With whom are they going to be such "BePe" and even "CH" to fight? With the peaceful? So they will simply move away from the railway, during its passage, and then begin to dismantle the tracks and hand over the rails for scrap metal ... Against Russia? We understand very well that this "BPSN" is an excellent target for aviation, and since the tanks are dead, then with the destruction of the diesel locomotive and they will be destroyed one by one on the platforms ... The only thing in which these "BePes" look organically - in "knocking out debts" from the cities ... such a "BePe" enters the railway station of the city and under the threat of destruction, only at the distance of the flight of a projectile removes tribute, for 12 years ... In short, MARASM STRENGTHENS ... They soon pro the cavalry will be remembered ... and that would not be "khukhry-muhry", too, no less as "strategic cavalry" will be, that's where only so many horses will be taken?
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv April 16 2014 21: 25
              +2
              Quote: svp67
              Greetings "Aleksov"

              Sergey, good evening!
              hi
              Glad to see you.

              Yeah, insanity grows stronger, and specifically ...
              Yes, if only the blood would not be shed, and the people will still figure out what they need.

              More stories like today:
              ... Kramatorsk grandmothers captured the landing forces of the Armed Forces and categorically refused to release them until they feed ...
              This I understand - ONE people and ONE people!
              good
              1. svp67
                svp67 April 16 2014 22: 09
                +2
                Quote: Aleks tv
                ... Kramatorsk grandmothers captured the landing forces of the Armed Forces and categorically refused to release them until they feed ...

                The soldiers WERE NOT FOOD FOR FOUR days ... Soon, like my Mikhalych, the Donbass people will be "taken prisoner" for food ... I can only offer servicemen of the Armed Forces ...
            2. Alex 241
              Alex 241 April 16 2014 21: 36
              +3
              Quote: svp67
              takes tribute in 12 years ...

              Hi Seryozha. Do not see them Fun Putyatishny! With Putyatishnoy straight pun made!
            3. Penzyac
              Penzyac April 16 2014 22: 03
              0
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: Alex 241
              The flagship of the BPVSN of Ukraine is ready to take up combat duty .... This decision was made due to the lack of fuel and batteries in the tank troops, as well as the inability of most armored vehicles to move independently.
              Quote: Aleks tv
              BPVSN ... well, just pippets.

              ...
              Yes, they are becoming smaller ... BZHRK
              ...
              They will soon remember about the cavalry ... and that would not be "khukhry-mukhry" too, no less as "strategic cavalry" will be, that's where they will only take so many horses?


              And what, in the Baltic states have already created bicycle troops, the same, apparently, of a strategic purpose. wassat
        2. schizophrenic
          schizophrenic April 16 2014 20: 41
          +3
          Quote: Alex 241
          because they don’t know how to ride

          The rails are sorted out and there are no problems with the armored train, you have to give up, where they will take so much protection for the train. laughing
        3. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia April 16 2014 20: 45
          +3
          It turns out that the tanks will ride the train, and shoot from the train .. because they themselves do not know how to ride ...

          They will ride until the first shot. And then:

        4. Baloo_bst
          Baloo_bst April 16 2014 23: 22
          0
          I do not quite understand - is this green, what is a dry closet?
        5. ArhipenkoAndrey
          ArhipenkoAndrey April 17 2014 05: 30
          0
          Yeah, strategic armored trains are strong, and armed with strategic tanks with strategic guns is a complete paragraph, now I won’t save anyone along the railways, but with such idols on board for strategic purposes ....
      3. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru April 17 2014 04: 36
        0
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Slavs, Orthodox - can not fight against each other

        I wonder what then the Orthodox did from 1918 to 1920 (22)?
  5. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 16 2014 19: 44
    +9
    The people of the southeast do not need the dogma of Western Bandera lawlessness. He is hardworking, a little infantile, but if you light him, it will be unsweetened to the thief. And then the junta began to play and crossed the red line, so it will soon end.
    1. Ased
      Ased April 16 2014 20: 13
      +3
      IN!

      I love Ukraine, Ukrainian people, culture, cuisine, etc.
      But nationalism, lawlessness, liars, and other dirty tricks, I do not like. And I can distinguish all this!
      1. Uncle
        Uncle April 16 2014 20: 22
        +4
        Quote: ASed
        I love Ukraine, Ukrainian people, culture, cuisine, etc.

        Yes, here we love it all, plus the Ukrainians and fat, one misfortune zapadentsy grind their teeth with Russian teeth. He served in Lviv and Transcarpathia, they hate for no reason. Just because you are Russian. By the way, some Chechens, too.
  6. mikeinside
    mikeinside April 16 2014 19: 44
    +12
    Please inform everyone!
    Konstantinovka, Donetsk region with you! Without
    assault!
    Just from the rally !! Well done!
    Voted for the DNI !! So guys URAAAAAA !!
    We are now part of the Donetsk People's Republic !!!!
    Soon a change of mayor !!! Also handed over money to help
    our checkpoints !!! Reception point open Help
    for our Eco-Market block posts in the department
    Children's cafe - you can bring there
    food, clothing, electrical appliances (generators, flashlights)
    etc. !!! It was cool !! URAAAAAA!
    1. PATTIY
      PATTIY April 16 2014 19: 59
      +5
      Quote: mikeinside
      Konstantinovka, Donetsk region with you!

      drinks and Russia is with you :))))
    2. Saratovets
      Saratovets April 16 2014 20: 38
      +1
      You are heroes, God bless you!
  7. Russ69
    Russ69 April 16 2014 19: 46
    +8
    I am dancing ... Over strategic thought ... smile
    Ukrainian diplomats have prepared a plan in the event of a war with Russia Experts of the Maidan of Foreign Affairs charity have prepared directives on the use of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the event of an armed invasion of Ukraine, which consist of an assessment of the enemy, a description of the state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the main tasks of the country's defense.
    The document notes that the current state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not allow ensuring guaranteed protection of the territory of Ukraine at the same time in all threatened areas of potential armed aggression. The following is proposed: "It is necessary, at the expense of the most combat-ready units, to form two groupings of ground forces (on a corps scale) with all the necessary forces and means of reinforcement and material and technical support in the two most threatened directions (Kharkov and Lugansk).
    The task of these troop groups is to decisively inflict fire damage on the first echelon of enemy troops at the moment they cross the border, as well as on its second echelon in areas of concentration on Russian territory. The losses inflicted on the enemy must have irreversible and unacceptable consequences for his troops, which will force them to abandon the continuation of the tasks. Given that the enemy will try to capture primarily the regional administrative centers, turn approaches to them into impregnable fortresses by creating anti-tank and anti-personnel borders.
    By the forces of the National Guard and territorial defense units (formed from volunteers) to ensure the blocking of possible routes for advancing the enemy along the main trunk routes in Ukraine.
    To do this, additionally equip long-term firing points at the expense of technically faulty armored vehicles (but which have serviceable weapons) that are in warehouses and long-term storage bases. Despite the weakness of the national air defense, to turn to NATO with a request to ensure a "no-fly zone" over the territory of problematic regions of Ukraine by joint patrolling of the Ukrainian Air Force and the Alliance forces. In addition, by means of a blockade from the sea by NATO ships, ensure the protection of the sea coast of Ukraine in the Black and Azov Seas, as well as prevent the penetration of troops from the territory of the occupied Crimea and Transnistria. Air reconnaissance shall be ensured through round-the-clock patrols by NATO AWACS aircraft and by receiving information from satellites of individual Alliance countries.
    With the onset of armed aggression, provide forces of special operations forces and previously directed sabotage and reconnaissance groups of strikes against military targets in the interior of the aggressor, as well as command and control facilities in its administrative centers (primarily Moscow and St. Petersburg). If possible, it is necessary to physically remove from power the political leadership of Russia - primarily the President and the Prime Minister. Along with the deployment of hostilities in the mainland of Ukraine by highly mobile landing forces, in cooperation with NATO special operations forces, to begin the seizure of important administrative centers in Crimea. Along with the deployment of hostilities in the mainland of Ukraine by highly mobile landing forces, in cooperation with NATO special operations forces, to begin the seizure of important administrative centers in Crimea.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac April 16 2014 23: 01
      +1
      Quote: Russ69
      I am dancing ... Over strategic thought ... smile
      [i] Ukrainian diplomats prepared a plan in case of war with Russia
      ...


      Do they even believe that they fantasized? Even Mishiko did not build such illusions, although the Georgian army was much more efficient in all respects (weapons, equipment, combat training, etc.) than the Ukrainian one. And if they believe, then this is a clinic. Drunk oversleep, never. request
    2. hommer
      hommer April 16 2014 23: 29
      +1
      Quote: Russ69
      It is necessary, at the expense of the most combat-ready units, to form two groups of ground forces (scale to the corps)


      Quote: Russ69
      to equip long-term firing points due to technically faulty armored vehicles (but which has serviceable weapons), which are in warehouses and long-term storage bases.


      And how do they get to the place of equipment bunker ?!
      And, in general, some kind of nonsense, and not planning.
  8. delfinN
    delfinN April 16 2014 19: 49
    +6
    We accelerate when we pick up the speed we can’t stop.
  9. STALIN8
    STALIN8 April 16 2014 19: 51
    +8
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Good SPRING.
    She is different from others because ... BLOODless.
    This is - RUSSIAN STYLE.

    Something like a revival of the USSR
  10. melnik
    melnik April 16 2014 19: 55
    +4
    Alina Kabaeva: Vova, today don’t go drink beer with the guys, they will encroach on you!
    1. hrych
      hrych April 16 2014 20: 17
      +4
      Alaev’s cabin?
  11. andj61
    andj61 April 16 2014 19: 56
    +6
    Indeed, history repeats itself, at first - tragedy, now - farce.
    I wonder if tomorrow Lavrov will participate in the summit on Ukraine? Formally, it can already be abandoned. Putin will also have to puzzle over what to say tomorrow, whether we will meet the desires of the people of the Southeast or not.
  12. Makeyevka
    Makeyevka April 16 2014 19: 59
    +10
    Konstantinovka well done! Keep it up Our Donbass republic got lost all over, guys keep it up and we will support you both morally and physically, we have nothing to lose either, I’ll visit humanitarian meetings in Donetsk and Makeyevka, I set a goal to go to the end, even though I have two young children, but I don’t intend to retreat, guys of our entire Donetsk region, hold on, the people will always be with you.
  13. hrych
    hrych April 16 2014 20: 01
    +22
    I didn’t see them spread, if, what, I duplicated it.
  14. shinobi
    shinobi April 16 2014 20: 07
    +1
    The people who forgot their own history will inevitably repeat it. And the Maidan Svidomo did everything to make it happen. And in general, who I was the first to note did not know, the history is spiral-cyclical and all world events are repeated with a cycle step of 68-75 years.
  15. delfinN
    delfinN April 16 2014 20: 07
    +27
    This is also Ukrainian history.
  16. kocclissi
    kocclissi April 16 2014 20: 15
    +7
    Quote: anrykaluga
    This is definitely not going to end peacefully! They handed out grenades to monkeys !!!!

    I hope this does not go around them!
  17. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 16 2014 20: 22
    +8
    A bit of advertising, where without it

    18+
  18. Militia
    Militia April 16 2014 20: 23
    +2
    In everything that happens in Ukraine, only one thing pleases. As it was, is and will be in all troubled times, HISTORY will put everything in its place and reward all the participants in the events according to their desires. Whom will make national heroes, and whom shame the nation. PEOPLE - a great power and regardless of the Ukrainian or Russian in this people, we are one power. It is a pity that they do not want to understand this in any way (and they will never understand it) Western degenerates from politics. That is their whole problem.
  19. Uncle
    Uncle April 16 2014 20: 24
    +3
    Quote: Russ69
    If possible, it is necessary to physically remove from power the political leadership of Russia, primarily the President and the Prime Minister.

    They’re completely crazy, well, nothing, thanks for warning, we won’t give Putin an insult, but you, Anatolich, do not seek, somehow yourself, not small.
  20. delfinN
    delfinN April 16 2014 20: 26
    +9
    Perverted rape
    1. delfinN
      delfinN April 16 2014 20: 56
      +5
      Further, everything developed approximately according to this scenario: the Cook still noticed the “drying” approach from afar, played a combat alert and froze at the fighting posts. Everything was going smoothly, the radars considered a course of approach with a target, Aegis regularly controlled guidance systems. And suddenly - clap! Everything went out. Aegis does not work, screens show turbidity, even Phalanxes cannot receive target designation! SU-24, meanwhile, passed over the Cook deck, made a combat turn and simulated a missile attack on a target. Of course, successful - because there is no opposition! Then he turned around and imitated another one. And so on - 10 times more! All attempts by technicians to revive the Aegis and give target designation for air defense failed and only then, when the silhouette of the "drying" melted in the haze above the Russian coast, the screens came to life, and the guidance systems faithfully showed a clear April glowing emptiness.

      I summarize. Most likely, after the SU-24 turned on in the immediate vicinity of the Cook, the Khibiny, the entire destroyer air defense failed. Ours, checking the effectiveness of the electronic warfare system, 12 (!) Times simulated an attack on an American ship. For all this time, the crew of the ship was unable to reanimate the extinguished BIOS. She earned only when the SU-24 went heading for the base. It was then that, realizing their own powerlessness against the EW complex of an ordinary bomber, 27 people submitted reports on leaving.
      http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=267_1397388181
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv April 16 2014 21: 15
        +1
        Quote: delfinN
        Everything went out. Aegis doesn't work

        Good day, I don’t know your name.
        hi
        I also enjoyed reading about the Su-24 leprosy over Arly Burke.
        I saw this material the same, but do not you think that such information: "Aegis does not work" is a little ... hmm ... secret, so that it can be posted on the internet? Well, everyone knows how it was)))
        Share a link to the source?
        Curious.

        Quote: delfinN
        It was then that, realizing their own powerlessness against the EW complex of an ordinary bomber, 27 people submitted reports on leaving.

        I found the original article by Reuters and ... I didn’t find there about "27 people" ... well, this does not happen on a hike ...
        Unfortunately, this (about 27 people) is just an additional translation into Russian.
        But the translator - well done, well hesitated over the Yankens.
        wink
        1. delfinN
          delfinN April 16 2014 21: 22
          0
          Hello, Alexey. Sergei. It’s already late at night. At the bottom of the post I laid out where I got it. Look carefully. With uv.
          1. delfinN
            delfinN April 16 2014 21: 32
            +1
            http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201404141119-gx7a.htm
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv April 16 2014 23: 03
              +1
              Quote: delfinN
              http://

              Got it, I'll see.
              Thanks for the link, Sergey.
              yes
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee April 17 2014 06: 00
        +5
        After the departure of SU on Cook, a GREAT DEVICE was announced! lol
  21. parus2nik
    parus2nik April 16 2014 20: 28
    +5
    The people who have forgotten their history have no future .. Zapadentsy, they composed a new one for themselves, but you can’t live long for falsehood .. they will die ..
  22. VeteranS
    VeteranS April 16 2014 20: 36
    +5
    I just learned from my father shocking details about who was on the Maidan and what demons were doing there ... A middle-aged woman recently turned to the Timashevsky Monastery (Krasnodar Territory) for two months on the Kiev Maidan for participating in speaking out against the lawful authorities for 100-200 US dollars per day ... But even this is not the main thing. She was getting worse and worse, and she did not understand why .... and then the real drug breakdown started! It turns out that the Maydan junta secretly added some narcotic substances to the food of the Maidan participants ....
    By the way, two more young people turned to the same monastery for help, who were brought to the Maidan by the same thing, and they feel the same badly, having earned "easy money"
    I would very much like our human rights defenders and special services to become interested in these facts.
    God save Russia and Holy Russia!
    1. hrych
      hrych April 16 2014 20: 47
      +4
      Neo, choose a red pill or ..... nothing has covered!
      1. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey April 17 2014 05: 39
        +1
        Who is this? Obama in childhood or in the future?
  23. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 16 2014 20: 50
    +3
    Do not remember kinship, doomed to curse. hi
  24. Baloo
    Baloo April 16 2014 21: 01
    +2
    Poverty corrupts more than wealth. Most Ukrainians survive in these conditions, they are not up to high matters. And then the level of education among middle-aged people in Russia is higher, because the standard of living is higher, although not by much.
  25. Per se.
    Per se. April 16 2014 21: 14
    +1
    It seems that the tragedy of Ukraine is that the native Russian land, which is no more Russian in the whole of Russia, has tragically and absurdly become a BORDER. Attempts to give statehood apart from Russia and gave rise to independent mummers and colorful "sharovarshchina", sucked out of the finger of the nation to the joy of the Poles. From childhood, I remember books and films where Ilya Muromets serves Russia, defends the glorious city of Kiev, how is it that Kiev, the mother of Russian cities, ceased to be Russian? How is it that the descendants of the Russians, who laid their heads for holy Russia, turned into Russophobes? Yes, the West screwed up here, in particular the snake Poland, but we are also to blame for the fact that we ourselves contributed to the separation of the indigenous Russian land in the recognition of Ukraine as something separate from Russia. This must be corrected, and Kiev must regain the status of the Russian capital, at least on the basis of rights, as St. Petersburg is called the "northern capital". We have to fight for Russia and its history, otherwise our sworn western “friends” will come up with someone else for the “ukram”.
  26. delfinN
    delfinN April 16 2014 21: 14
    +4
    Zhirinovsky "builds" Parubia
    1. datur
      datur April 16 2014 21: 42
      +5
      and then the face of this creature is parubia --- scared !!! yes
      1. hommer
        hommer April 17 2014 00: 51
        +2
        Quote: datur
        and then the face of this creature is parubia --- scared !!!


        He swallowed nervously, his mouth went dry, his eyes ran in - what did Zhirik promise him there ?! Rostov military garrison tribunal? laughing
        There, square questions will begin to be asked and you get the fuck!
        And the right advice is to think about yourself. But it’s too late, messed up the hard.
  27. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. April 16 2014 21: 21
    +2
    The main nerve of Ukrainian history is that every time the humanitarian, political and social pressure of the West ends with a surge of popular anger and the arrival of more or less polite, but always not badly armed people from the northeast. And as a result, the territory covered by the uprising is fully or partially part of Russia.

    Good prognosis.
    And very close to historical truth.

    One fear - meaningless victims. But this is to politicians.
    I am amazed by the extract of V.V. Putin. It seemed that the red line had already been crossed several times, but several hours, and it turns out that the situation has improved, and even with the gain of our people.
  28. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer April 16 2014 21: 31
    +3
    “The main nerve of Ukrainian history is that every time the humanitarian, political and social pressure of the West ends with a surge of popular anger and the arrival of more or less polite, but always well-armed people from the northeast. to Russia ".
    Allowed myself to quote a whole paragraph of the article - it was painfully to the point and to the point. Well said.
  29. another RUSICH
    another RUSICH April 16 2014 22: 23
    +1
    After the newest tales about the "great ukrov" and their "forefathers" Trypillians, I generally doubt the adequacy of any Ukrainian historians
  30. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 16 2014 22: 29
    +1
    Quote: datur
    and then the face of this creature is parubia --- scared !!! yes

    You’re scared when the ZhIRIK himself threatens you with a tribunal. drinks
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 17 2014 06: 15
      +5
      Zhirinovsky called all the junta, they hid. One Parubiy fell under the hand! angry
  31. Polarfox
    Polarfox April 17 2014 05: 56
    0
    Quote: Alex 241
    Strategic armored train forces!

    "We are peaceful people, but our armored train has been on the side track for a hundred years." We also need commissars in leather jackets and with Mausers, without this the armored train is not real. By the way, I have nothing against the commissars. But an armored train from platforms with tanks loaded on them is, of course, a refinement of military-industrial modernism. belay