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US and NATO do not need the federalization of Ukraine

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US and NATO do not need the federalization of Ukraine
Whether the four-sided meeting scheduled for 17 will take place in Geneva with the participation of Russia, the USA, the European Union and Ukraine is a big question. In a telephone conversation with the US Secretary of State, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov warned the interlocutor that negotiations would be disrupted if force was used against residents of south-eastern regions of Ukraine. And the next day, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine began a special operation in the Donetsk region ...



It is hard to believe that such a chronology of events is accidental. On Sunday, information appeared about the alleged visit to Kiev by the head of the CIA, John Brennan, during which the Americans approved military actions in the regions covered by the protests. And on April 22, a visit to Ukraine of Vice President Joe Biden is scheduled. The one, according to the White House, will stress "the strong support that the United States intends to continue to provide to Kiev." True, there is American help more in words. Even the one billion dollars that the Congress allocated to Ukraine after lengthy discussions turned out to be virtual - it was not “real money”, but only guarantees to banks that would provide funds to Kiev. But such financial institutions, at the moment, was not found. It seems that the main task of high-ranking American emissaries visiting the Ukrainian capital is to convince local authorities not to pay attention to tough statements from Moscow.

“If the United States has already agreed on everything in its“ circle ”- without Russia, with other participants in the negotiations, denoting both the time and place of the meeting and the intention to discuss the situation not only in Ukraine, but also around it, then maybe are you able to announce the results achieved right now? ", - ironically about the situation around the Geneva meeting of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

As it became known to RG, in preparing for the talks in Geneva, State Department officials tried to make it appear that Russian and Ukrainian foreign ministers would meet “under the supervision of” the heads of European and American diplomacy. It is clear that such an approach did not suit Moscow. Russia proposed a fundamentally different concept of dialogue - the heads of the foreign ministries of Russia, the United States and Europe will discuss with their Ukrainian counterpart in Geneva ways to resolve the crisis in Ukraine and will adopt a joint communique calling for a peaceful overcoming the split in Ukrainian society.

But, judging by the latest events in the Donetsk region, Washington was looking for a reason to refuse such an agenda. And at the same time lay the blame for the breakdown of negotiations on Russia. When the Ukrainian foreign minister is not even a “postman”, but a “mailbox” where all interested parties put their messages to the prime minister of Ukraine, who in turn delivers them directly to the US Department of State, it’s hard to believe that no special operation in the southeast was received from Washington. At the same time, Kerry continued to publicly accuse Moscow of interfering in Ukrainian affairs, without giving any evidence.

The military operation in the southeast, regardless of its final results, plays into the hands of the presidential candidate of Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko and her supporters, who occupy leading positions in power today. Escalating the conflict will inevitably lead to the postponement of the election of the head of state. As a result, the team close to Tymoshenko will remain at the helm, and the ex-premier will have additional time for campaigning. After all, if the elections were held, as planned, on May 25, according to opinion polls, Petro Poroshenko would have won them. And all Yatsenyuk, Turchinov and Parubiyam would have to surrender the power obtained during the coup ...

According to the RG, Moscow assumed that Kiev would not wait for the Geneva talks, at which the demands of the south-eastern regions about federalization and the right to speak in their native language would be heard. And try using provocations to blow up the situation. Such a provocation was the order and. Interior Minister Arsen Avakov to start fighting in the Donetsk region. Order generously supported by threats of arrest and trial against those who will resist.

The beginning of the military operation in the region was preceded by a night meeting of the Security Council of Ukraine. Although its results were not reported, it is obvious that the participants in this action were discussing which of the "siloviks" would carry out criminal orders to shoot at the protesting population. No wonder Avakov mentioned that for the special operation had to collect police from all regions of Ukraine.

I am ready to forget for a while the offenses inflicted by Avakov and take part in the ethnic cleansing in the east and the Right Sector. Its leader, Dmitry Yarosh, has already announced the mobilization of supporters.

At a meeting of finance ministers G20, which was held in Washington, the head of the Russian department Anton Siluanov formulated four mandatory conditions, under which Russia will help Ukraine, "both in budget and gas issues." This is Ukraine’s constitutional reform, legitimate presidential elections and the formation of a government, the legitimization of the situation around Crimea and the settlement of tensions in the east of the country.

However, such a development of the situation does not meet the geopolitical interests of the United States and NATO leaders, who used the Ukrainian events for their own purposes.

A few hours before the start of the military operation of the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs in the southeast, a curious document called "Accusations of Russia" was posted on the alliance's website. It makes no sense to retell the content of this propaganda paper, demonstrating the infallibility and peacefulness of NATO. Much more important conclusion, following from it. Now the international isolation of Russia and the advance of NATO to the east, including the deployment of anti-missile defense systems, are now referred to as the strategic objectives of the alliance.

After that, it becomes clear that Kiev’s readiness to preserve the non-aligned status of the state in the future and not place NATO facilities on its territory is worthless. Washington understands that in the event of federalization, the southeast will oppose the alliance’s military plans in Ukraine. While unitary Ukraine, under the leadership of pro-American rulers, suspended from the financial hook of the international monetary fund, will execute any order from the Alliance's Brussels headquarters and from the Pentagon. It is not surprising that, according to the RG, in conversations with Lavrov, the American side avoids the term "federalization" as an devil, agreeing to talk only about "increasing the powers" of the Ukrainian regions.

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  1. mirag2
    mirag2 April 14 2014 15: 49
    +15
    They don’t need federalization — they want EVERYTHING!
    Yes, just a cookie to them!
    1. zanoza
      zanoza April 14 2014 16: 04
      +28
      Quote: mirag2
      Yes, just a cookie to them!

      "Found a scythe on a stone"

      Nobody wants to lose the "battle" for Ukraine.
      Hence all this fuss. Federative, in fact, the USA dissuades and itself resists the federalization of Ukraine.
      Paradox....
      Russia, in recent years, has "wiped its nose" the United States so many times that they are already going to great lengths to take revenge. Drive Russia into a state of "world outcast".
      We hold and hold these attacks and attacks, I hope we will.
      "The Russian land has stood and will stand on that."
      1. mountaineer
        mountaineer April 14 2014 16: 11
        +39
        that's what they want !!!!! IMHO! laughing
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      2. jjj
        jjj April 14 2014 16: 31
        +8
        Quote: zanoza
        Found a braid on the stone

        Scythe, by the way, is good. Repelled and fixed correctly
        1. PN
          PN April 14 2014 17: 33
          +2
          It seems to me that the edge of the cutting part is too smooth for a broken braid))) Although you can’t say much about the photo ...
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          2. Stalker
            Stalker April 14 2014 18: 08
            +5
            It seems to me that the edge of the cutting part is too smooth for a broken braid))) Although you can’t say much about the photo ...
            1. Evgen_Vasilich
              Evgen_Vasilich April 14 2014 20: 25
              +1
              bread-and-head rebranded and facelifted, the composition does not change from rebranding and facelifting!
          3. Wheel
            Wheel April 14 2014 23: 07
            +1
            Quote: PN
            It seems to me that the edge of the cutting part is too smooth for a broken braid))) Although you can’t say much about the photo ...

            In some areas, the cutting edge is not beaten off, but "cut", so it is even.
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      4. siberalt
        siberalt April 14 2014 17: 06
        +5
        Yeah! Spit Timoshkina, and a stone from the Maidan. laughing Yes, and let them converge.
        "... and even this notorious Slate! - would never be able to ... crying guess what I'm going to walk. "Period. laughing
        (V.S. Vysotsky)
      5. PATTIY
        PATTIY April 14 2014 17: 42
        0
        Quote: zanoza
        USA, that they are already going to all to take revenge.

        Eh!
        they would know that the Russians are stubborn and indestructible.
        Would read a story, fools!
    2. mamont5
      mamont5 April 14 2014 16: 30
      +6
      Fortunately, in the same United States, these issues are beginning to raise the media.

      "Americans are terrified of Ukrainian affairs.
      In recent weeks, reports by former analysts from various government defense agencies have been heatedly debated in a number of American think tanks. The summary of the texts is reduced to the question: "Well, why do we need this Ukraine?"

      They cannot find an answer that would bring some kind of positive attitude to the situation. Simplifying the multi-page documents, the main idea can be briefly summarized as follows: it turns out that all this distribution of cookies on the Maidan, promises of cash injections to some and severe sanctions to others did not bring the United States any benefit. The reaction of the Russian Federation to the Ukrainian events was quite obvious: this is not the Middle East with its "Arab springs". Seeing a hotbed of problems close by, Moscow has taken steps to move closer to being a "500-pound gorilla that walks wherever it wants."
      http://www.utro.ru/articles/2014/04/14/1188923.shtml
      1. valder
        valder April 14 2014 19: 43
        0
        Probably not "500-pound", but 500-foot ... The pound is the currency of Great Britain, and the British foot is the measure of length
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 14 2014 22: 06
          0
          Quote: valder
          Probably not "500-pound", but 500-foot ... The pound is the currency of Great Britain, and the British foot is the measure of length

          The pound here is apparently a unit of weight, EMNIP 0.4 kilograms.
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 April 14 2014 22: 23
          0
          Quote: valder
          Probably not "500-pound", but 500-foot ... The pound is the currency of Great Britain, and the British foot is the measure of length

          and a pound is a unit of weight in lemongrass ...
    3. PATTIY
      PATTIY April 14 2014 17: 49
      0
      Quote: mirag2
      They don’t need federalization — they want EVERYTHING!

      And I think a 4-way meeting will be a meeting with the real president of the country - Yanukovych. Although de jure, he is just legal.
      pin. I really don't want this. But one cannot get out of negotiations. Ukraine is not a banana republic.
      They will have to wipe themselves and make room on the World Olympus.
    4. maks-101
      maks-101 April 14 2014 18: 01
      0
      Yes, a breakdown can play into the hands of a girl with a scythe, if you stop the southeast, and as there are no capable troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the army does not agree to shoot at people, they are unlikely to help, and tomorrow looking at Donbass and in Lugansk the cities will come under the control of the people's power, and after tomorrow the whole southeast rises, and looking at them the central regions rise, so that time plays on our side.
    5. Baloo
      Baloo April 14 2014 18: 19
      +9
      They need territory and territory resources. People do not interest them, it is an expendable material.
    6. WKS
      WKS April 14 2014 23: 22
      0
      To be honest, we also do not need the federalization of Ukraine. Because sooner or later the Americans will arrange another revolution there. We need a stable, friendly Ukraine. Better within our borders as autonomy.
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 14 2014 15: 50
    +10
    I can only say one thing - difficult times are yet to come. But if we are united, and believe in the rightness of our cause, VICTORY WILL BE OVER US ...
    1. Denis
      Denis April 14 2014 16: 09
      +77
      Quote: svp67
      VICTORY WILL BE OURS...
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  4. sinukvl
    sinukvl April 14 2014 15: 52
    +20
    Naturally, mattresses need peace, preferably ALL !!!
    1. bubalik
      bubalik April 14 2014 16: 14
      +7
      Naturally, mattresses need peace, preferably ALL
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    3. dimdimich71
      dimdimich71 April 14 2014 16: 20
      +3
      Peace be upon you ....
    4. sniper
      sniper April 14 2014 16: 39
      +13
      Quote: sinukvl
      mattresses need peace, preferably ALL !!!

      How to breed new breeds of dogs? Yes, everything is very simple, they select animals with the necessary qualities and cross them among themselves, carefully rejecting the offspring ... What does this have to do with the USA? Yes, the most direct ... As Columbus discovered America, adventurers of all stripes rushed from all over the Old World in pursuit of profit. What is someone living here? Indians? Yes, it’s not a question, old Colt will solve the problem when it turned out that someone should work, they began to import the ancestors of the current president, though they didn’t work as well as they wanted, slave labor was not effective, which caused the civil war North and South ... Yes, I completely forgot to say that when it turned out that the new mainland was rich, the immigrants sent their countries you know where, completely not bothering with the legality of their actions ... So from the crowd of unprincipled adventurers, Colt led the new breed of Zaoke annsky bull terrier, which still refers to the whole world, as it was before to the Indians ...
      1. Linas
        Linas April 14 2014 19: 36
        +1
        And do not forget about those immigrants who in the homeland shone penal servitude or the gallows ...
  5. Cripple cross
    Cripple cross April 14 2014 15: 56
    +11
    Yes, no matter how hard they tried ..... Well, do not win the United States this battle. Syria has been asked ... if, and here where our interests are directly and the truth, in the stronghold of Russian civilization, even more so they do not shine.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS April 14 2014 19: 07
      +3
      Quote: CrippleCross
      Yes, no matter how hard they tried ..... Well, do not win the United States this battle. Syria has been asked ... if, and here where our interests are directly and the truth, in the stronghold of Russian civilization, even more so they do not shine.

      If you think that everything is so simple, then you are mistaken.
      The mattresses lost in Syria, conceded a goal in the Crimea, but they have not lost. Now the opposition is mass preparing in Venezuela, in Syria you can still add money to the fire, they will try to strike at different points to stretch their strength and attention to the problem. This the enemy is cunning and dodgy, only standing on the coffin can we say - EVERYTHING!
  6. Quantum
    Quantum April 14 2014 15: 58
    +8
    The pseudo-president Turchinov declared only a referendum.
    the construction of Ukraine, for them collapse!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS April 14 2014 16: 02
      +5
      Quote: Quantum
      Pseudo-President Turchinov declared only a referendum


      To say for them is not to translate.
  7. COLUN
    COLUN April 14 2014 15: 59
    +17
    Folk joke:
    A guy from the PKK rushes into a meeting of the UN Security Council:
    “Who is Churkin here !?”
    All fearfully point at Churkin's finger.
    - Vitya! KICK !!!
    1. Cripple cross
      Cripple cross April 14 2014 16: 25
      +1
      It's good that only the PKK!
      There were RPGs, one would not have to ask where is Vitya! laughing
  8. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS April 14 2014 15: 59
    +4
    How much does a jackhammer weigh ?! I think no more than a light machine gun, so the men will hold their hardened weapons! Zapadentsy will go to death, but I think most will remain to rob and loot on the spot, it’s safer.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair April 15 2014 00: 29
      0
      Quote: KAPITANUS
      How much does a jackhammer weigh ?!

      MO-4B - pneumatic jackhammer, used in the mining industry for crushing rocks:
      Energy of a single impact 55 J, Specific consumption of compressed air 1,5 m3 / min, Hammer weight 9,6kg.
    2. sasha228
      sasha228 April 15 2014 07: 18
      0
      long time in mines do not work chippers, but miners are power
  9. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs April 14 2014 15: 59
    +6
    If they needed an obedient and prosperous Ukraine, they themselves would have federalized it back in the 90s. And so, either God took the mind away or their goal was to unleash a bloody massacre in Ukraine and throw it into Russia.
    1. from punk
      from punk April 14 2014 16: 07
      +2
      Quote: Jurkovs
      If they needed an obedient and prosperous Ukraine,

      frankly. They don’t need Ukraine at all. It’s just that Europe knows where Ukraine is, and it’s enough for mattresses to know that it is on the border with Russia. Here and all the fuss. If there were no China states and there would be a rustle there. Yes, and Europe would be there seek your own deep interests. Ukraine just doesn’t need it, you just need proximity to the Russian border
  10. Unknown
    Unknown April 14 2014 16: 00
    +19
    This issue will be resolved when Ukraine becomes Malorosskaya A.R. as part of Russia !!
    1. Bobxnumx
      Bobxnumx April 14 2014 16: 05
      +12
      In Zaporozhye there are questions.
      1. solaco
        solaco April 14 2014 16: 14
        +7
        Quote: Bob0859
        In Zaporozhye there are questions.

        And also in Dnepropetrovsk ...
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 14 2014 16: 42
          +9
          Quote: solaco
          And also in Dnepropetrovsk ...

          And not everything is smooth with Kherson ... And the Kherson region "closes" the Crimea ...
        2. Vrvarius
          Vrvarius April 14 2014 18: 50
          0
          I would say that there are questions on everything except Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov.
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      3. alexng
        alexng April 14 2014 16: 25
        +17
        There, these questions will be immediately removed, how the right sector and the Kolomoysky scum militants will be driven out of there. In short, neutralize Kolomoisky E-Benya and Zaporozhye rhinestones with Dnepropetrovsk will become anti-Mineanovsky.
      4. Orik
        Orik April 14 2014 17: 27
        +2
        Quote: Bob0859
        In Zaporozhye there are questions.

        While there is! wink
      5. Arhj
        Arhj April 14 2014 17: 47
        +1
        Quote: Bob0859
        In Zaporozhye there are questions.

        I have questions about other regions. The news shows the southeastern regions, Kiev, less often Lviv, sometimes Rivne. And that in the remaining regions of central and western Ukraine everyone is happy, money has appeared there, they are paying salaries, gas and bread prices are not rising. I doubt it. A hungry person usually begins to think. Who knows what is going on there?
        1. Donskoi
          Donskoi April 14 2014 20: 15
          +1
          I'm from the west. Everybody began to feel the exchange rate: the dollar and euro exchange rates - eyes on the forehead! Looking every morning the price of gasoline, they generally swallow snot loudly! Prices hid before the jump ... In short, "oil painting" and oil, in the long term, exclusively palm, not butter.
          Of course, few people want to admit that they were wrong. Everyone has already spoken about who the Russians are and what they are .... There are simply NO conversations everywhere and everywhere! Only in the evening they look at the zomboy and their eyes are flapping. Here, of course, we have already enough otmitovatsya, steam was released, quietly and calmly, some have already reached out to earn money in Europe. Although these "shEnEvmeErlyky" will still sing ...
          I hope in your question there is no hope for support by the Maidan people in the southeastern regions? laughing
    2. Hippopotamus
      Hippopotamus April 14 2014 17: 50
      +6
      What do you want to do with Kiev? After all, the Mother of Russian cities! And with Poltava, Chernigov, Transcarpathian Ruthenians? ... Nah, you need to take the capital, and hang Natsik pillars somewhere on the border with Latvia - so that they understand whose next turn!
      1. hommer
        hommer April 14 2014 22: 29
        0
        Quote: Hippo
        What do you want to do with Kiev? After all, the Mother of Russian cities!


        Return the old woman to her homeland!
  11. Stiletto
    Stiletto April 14 2014 16: 00
    +18
    Damn, whatever one may say, and the mattress covers are again in chocolate due to the fact that Russia and Ukraine are looking at that, will cling to each other's throats. Lord, how do you want something like this to happen sooner somewhere in Mexico or Canada, near Sysysha! Yellowstone, aw, wake up soon !!!
    1. Cvetluy
      Cvetluy April 14 2014 23: 30
      +1
      The volcano will make itself felt as soon as shale gas goes to Europe ...
  12. andj61
    andj61 April 14 2014 16: 00
    +7
    It is absolutely incomprehensible what the presence or absence of federalization has to do with it. What, in Russia, the subjects of the Federation can sneeze on the central government? Or in the USA? Or in Germany? The thing is different - they do not perceive federalization by itself, but as a step towards independence and complete independence, or even a step towards joining Russia.
  13. parusnik
    parusnik April 14 2014 16: 01
    +6
    US and NATO do not need the federalization of Ukraine The stump is clear, I do not need what federalization is, it means that gradually, legally .. Ukraine will not be, most of it will be part of Russia .. It will remain, the Lviv region, which will be called Ukraine .. and the West and NATO Ukraine is not needed ..
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 14 2014 16: 43
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      US and NATO do not need the federalization of Ukraine

      ... because they need Syrian version development in Ukraine. Then everything will be "in openwork" in AMYRYKANSKY.
  14. mountain
    mountain April 14 2014 16: 01
    +2
    I don’t understand what is being done in the Outskirts, the USA, and why are they talking with them at all. With them, with the USA about Alaska, it would not be bad to crackle. And with neighbors we ourselves, with a mustache.
  15. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx April 14 2014 16: 03
    +3
    NATO and the United States need, at best, constant tension on our border, at worst, the war that Russia is being drawn into.
  16. serge
    serge April 14 2014 16: 07
    +27
    Power is not real!
  17. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch April 14 2014 16: 07
    +2
    And why do they need federalization, it is not for this that the Maidan was "fed". The market for the sale of goods - Yes, we need it! The dispatch labor force - Yes, we need it! And federalization, why. Who will support and feed the Banderlog ?! They also live off the SOUTH-EAST!
  18. konvalval
    konvalval April 14 2014 16: 09
    +1
    It seems that the incitement of bandit power to military suppression of the Southeast, the United States intentionally want to disrupt the negotiations on April 17. And second, with the federalization of Ukraine, who will feed the banderlog-zapadentsev?
  19. Stiletto
    Stiletto April 14 2014 16: 11
    +11
    The mattresses don't give a damn about Ukraine, Russia, or Europe. They need a global war of all against all, in which only they would be white and fluffy, and could calmly cut their damn coupons against the backdrop of a general carnage.
  20. Cams
    Cams April 14 2014 16: 12
    +3
    It seems ours specifically told amers that there would be no negotiations if there was a military operation in the southeast of Ukraine. So that they forced Ukraine to begin such an operation and to further discredit the junta, which today has power in Kiev.
    Simply put, ours again raped amers.
  21. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 14 2014 16: 13
    +1
    A chess game enters the endgame.
    And all the characters of the Ukrainian junta, who consider themselves "figures", very soon turn out to be extras and not even watching her.
    1. avt
      avt April 14 2014 16: 27
      +5
      Quote: Little Muck
      And all the characters of the Ukrainian junta, who consider themselves "figures", very soon turn out to be extras and not even watching her.

      As it was correctly noted in one article on the site, they are no longer figures, but simply cells on the board. Today, like the pastor "Schlag" in Kiev, he squeezed out about an all-Ukrainian referendum. It's too late! and the confederation will not help. That's all. Together with the escaped Ssynukovych, the whole, albeit rotten, system of state administration escaped. Everything in Ukraine now rests on the inertia of people brought up by such a hated "scoop" stations and dangerous objects are not allowed. Nobody gives money, not even because it’s a pity, they just understand that there is no one to give it. It’s easier to throw them in a landfill - you can pick them up, homeless people will not take them away as quickly as the current "rulers"
  22. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 April 14 2014 16: 14
    +3
    Why it is impossible to raise the question of debts first, then discussion. Everyone promises but Russia must pay. Wants to believe that we’ll get over.
  23. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx April 14 2014 16: 19
    +2
    articles on the topic, I would like to be sure that the GDP. and the leadership of the FSB! GRU! MO, all the answers are prepared and accepted for execution, I. just to horror I want to teach these scumbags that they wouldn’t be mistaken in the past, it’s a pity the execution of the head was chopped off in crowded places when people were crowded in squares;
  24. mamont5
    mamont5 April 14 2014 16: 24
    +1
    "It seems that the main task of high-ranking American emissaries visiting the Ukrainian capital is to convince local authorities not to pay attention to harsh statements from Moscow."

    In short, they set up the Kiev junta in full, and they are being conducted as children. Climb even into a large hole. Indeed, if a lot of blood is shed, they will never be cleaned from it forever and the owners will surrender them, despite all the protection.
  25. densh
    densh April 14 2014 16: 25
    +5
    Here the psheks noted:
    POLISH PUPPET STARTS TO KILL SOUTH-EAST

    Poland called on Kiev not to retreat from the "terrorists" from the east
    Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said that the time has come when Ukraine should show character in the fight against the inhabitants of the southeast, whom he calls "terrorists." Otherwise, Putin cannot be stopped, TVN24 reports.

    “This is exactly the moment when the Ukrainian state must show that it will no longer make such decisions,” Prime Minister Donald Tusk commented on these situations in Ukraine. In his opinion, equating pro-Russian separatists with terrorists is completely justified.

    DONALD TUSK, Prime Minister of Poland: The key is now how and how strongly the Ukrainian state will respond to these actions. No one wants and should not incline Ukrainians and Ukrainian authorities to radical actions. But now comes precisely the moment when Ukraine must show through its actions that it will in no way agree with such decisions.

    The truth is cruel enough: Putin will stop not where he wants, but where Ukraine will allow.
    link:
    http://russian.rt.com/inotv/2014-04-14/Polsha-prizval..
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 14 2014 16: 47
      +3
      Quote: densh
      The truth is cruel enough: Putin will stop not where he wants, but where Ukraine will allow.

      At the same time, the idea that Crimea is only the beginning...
      Well, the Poles are HERE - ahead of the rest. And Tusk only today where he just did not pose, he gave the last interview from the hangar, with F-16 behind him ... lol
    2. smart Fox
      smart Fox April 14 2014 16: 52
      +9
      welcome to smolensk, pan tusk
    3. Platov
      Platov April 14 2014 16: 55
      +4
      This Poland will stop where Putin permits.
    4. Turkir
      Turkir April 14 2014 16: 57
      +3
      Donald Tusk is a big, stupid dupa.
      Both were arsonists and remained. Oh, in general, to break ties with them, both economic and political, they themselves will die of longing.
      Favorite Polish occupation is to be talked about from morning to evening.
      And, the worst secret, of this Polish disease, Polish egocentrism, they do not carewhat they say about them: good or bad!
      Therefore, our silence is worse for them than death.
    5. Ulairy
      Ulairy April 14 2014 17: 23
      0
      Quote: densh
      where will Ukraine allow

      Does Ukraine decide something to "allow"? Go wander, donald duck, you got lost in Disneyland. And then you will wait: suddenly our trees will begin to shoot down your planes en masse (showing indecent gestures with branches)! It is not for nothing that in Russia they called an eyesore ...
  26. Victor-M
    Victor-M April 14 2014 16: 27
    +1
    According to the actions carried out by the junta that came to power in Ukraine and is under the leadership of the State Department, only one thing is clear - this is the plunge of Ukraine into a civil war, pushing and provoking the west and east of the country, and of course the designation of the image of the main enemy in the person of Russia. Therefore, a split in Ukraine is an inevitable fact, whether we want it or not, and an attempt to preserve a shaky but peaceful world.
  27. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa April 14 2014 16: 30
    +1
    I think the meeting will take place. There is something to talk face to face without journalists. In the end, it's time to stop this mess in southwestern Russia. Another thing is whether the conditions of Russia will be accepted there. Although in any case everything will be as Russia wants, it is only a matter of price.
  28. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR April 14 2014 16: 33
    +12

    esho video laid out in early March is now as pertinent as ever!
    1. Manul
      Manul April 14 2014 20: 37
      +1
      Quote: regressSSSR
      esho video laid out in early March is now as pertinent as ever!

      Yeah ... And this video was perceived as a terrible joke and fantasy. And now you read "The Age of the Stillborn" and think - will it all end? Or the whole world in dust?
  29. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 14 2014 16: 37
    +4
    The USA and NATO were, are and will be enemies of Russia. And with enemies, by definition, do not stand on ceremony. Indeed, the previous decades, they did not stand on ceremony with us. It is time to sculpt a giant cookie under their nose, send them to HY, and do their business without looking back at these Anglo-Saxon coves.
    1. tor11121
      tor11121 April 14 2014 16: 57
      +1
      Also thought about it. Dare Comrade Putin! Russia is with you as never before. Do not justify this American monkey monkey. this time has passed.
  30. lance
    lance April 14 2014 16: 39
    +2
    Russia still have to invest, someone wrote correctly who will remain in Ukraine and that debts. All-Ukrainian referendum where 60% of Westerners and sympathizers will not lead to federalization. Dnepr and other pro-Russian regions should hold their referenda before the presidential election and raise the question of the choice of president by representatives of federal districts - this is an exit to the confederation in the future. everything else is nonsense now.
  31. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 April 14 2014 16: 43
    +2
    punk (1) RU ... if there were no China next to Kazakhstan, the states would make a noise. yes, Europe would start to look for its own interests there. Ukraine just doesn’t need it, it just needs proximity to the Russian border

    The USA is preparing the ground everywhere. They, through advisers, and the student youth of the national "elite" in the US and the West, "charitable" and "cultural" foundations and organizations, brainwash the Kazakhs, suggesting that they have been "in the occupation" of Russia for 200 years, what if not "cut back "the circulation of the Russian language, their native language will decline, they constantly" advise "the revision of the agreements on Baikonur, so that claims against Russia, as much as possible, STRESS relations between Russia and Kazakhstan, that the Kazakh alphabet should be translated from Cyrillic into Latin, as well as and in Ukraine they suggest that the Russians are to blame for the Holodomor of the 30s ... so, "slowly but surely," they are POWDERING, brainwashing, preparing a "platform."
  32. Russ69
    Russ69 April 14 2014 16: 43
    +19
    Smiled .... smile
    1. densh
      densh April 14 2014 17: 04
      +7
      Quote: Russ69
      Smiled .... smile

      When we stopped broadcasting ORT, NTV, and Russia, the provider replaced other Russian channels on which the news about Ruin was no less poisonous than the previous ones. They changed, generally it was for soap ... laughing
  33. Vorodis_vA
    Vorodis_vA April 14 2014 16: 44
    +9
    when I read what they write about the situation, like, "Putin cannot be stopped like that," or "Putin is moving west," and so on. Then I imagine such a huge iron monster that came out of the ocean, the size of a mountain, and like he personally goes towards Ukraine and the earth shakes, and they all run and yell - "Oh my God !!! Putin is coming" he will devour us, we will all die !!! aaA ", and at the same time everyone is hiding deeper money and food, otherwise Putin will take it away.
  34. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT April 14 2014 16: 51
    +4
    If there is federalization, the pendulum will swing not in their direction!
  35. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec April 14 2014 16: 51
    +3
    The United States and Europe have long had time to pull on their own sanctions, and each time do as dirty teenagers. They are completely out of control, just let them get the stick they have been dreaming of for 70 years ..
  36. Sour
    Sour April 14 2014 17: 05
    +2
    Merkel has already said that "Ukraine should think about federalization." So everything is not so simple with NATO. Nor do other Western leaders, including Obama, openly reject federalization.
    But they are categorically against the federalization of Ukraine (and do not hide it at all) Donald Tusk and Alexander Lukashenko.
    1. vlad63
      vlad63 April 14 2014 18: 29
      +1
      In this case, a categorical disagreement is only a PR move, or who is going to listen to them.
  37. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 14 2014 17: 07
    +2
    So it turns out that the Russian well-foreign death. How old is the proverb, but nothing changes wassat
  38. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 14 2014 17: 16
    +6
    A referendum in UKRAINE will not lead to good. The brains are well washed there. They will consider and it will turn out that 95% support the USA and EUROPE. And if the SOUTH-EAST does not separate, then they will not let him separate anymore. Well, the Russian-speaking population will quickly become outdated. And the Russian language will be quickly forgotten. So our government has something to work on. soldier
  39. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich April 14 2014 17: 23
    +2
    Quote: densh
    Here the psheks noted:
    POLISH PUPPET STARTS TO KILL SOUTH-EAST

    Poland called on Kiev not to retreat from the "terrorists" from the east
    Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said that the time has come when Ukraine should show character in the fight against the inhabitants of the southeast, whom he calls "terrorists." Otherwise, Putin cannot be stopped, TVN24 reports.

    “This is exactly the moment when the Ukrainian state must show that it will no longer make such decisions,” Prime Minister Donald Tusk commented on these situations in Ukraine. In his opinion, equating pro-Russian separatists with terrorists is completely justified.

    DONALD TUSK, Prime Minister of Poland: The key is now how and how strongly the Ukrainian state will respond to these actions. No one wants and should not incline Ukrainians and Ukrainian authorities to radical actions. But now comes precisely the moment when Ukraine must show through its actions that it will in no way agree with such decisions.

    The truth is cruel enough: Putin will stop not where he wants, but where Ukraine will allow.
    link:
    http://russian.rt.com/inotv/2014-04-14/Polsha-prizval..

    Quite a normal reaction from a scumbag. This is Poles. It is an officially recognized prostitute and hyena of Europe. So, this foam, from anger due to weakness, is quite natural.
    1. Sour
      Sour April 14 2014 17: 30
      +1
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      This is Poles.

      Lyahi lyahi ...
      But this goose is better than Poles?
      Lukashenko noted that in Belarus too, some part of the population believes that the entry of Crimea into Russia is a military seizure of the territory of Ukraine, which Ukraine will never recognize. "Not only a certain part thinks so not only in Ukraine, but also in Belarus, and in Russia itself, a certain part thinks so. ..... Why did they leave? Why did they withdraw the military from there? So, humanly: why did not they fight, if this is your land? Why did not they defend their land? I am in a nightmare, God forbid, I can not imagine that this could happen to Belarus. You know, even if our military did the same as the Ukrainian ones - they sat like mice under with a broom at their bases (this, of course, is difficult to imagine in Belarus) - I am the first, I would go to fight alone, ”Lukashenka said.
      http://belarus.regnum.ru/news/1784298.html
      He rebuked, so to speak, the "brotherly Ukrainian people" for surrendering Crimea without a fight. Like he wouldn't do that.
      Or here too:
      “Today it seems beautiful, the interests of some regions will be respected. Well, tomorrow? And tomorrow, it will be possible for the main players to play on this federalization, ”Lukashenko suggested. “Therefore, I don’t even want to discuss this topic. I am categorically against federalization, because I am for a united Ukraine, ”the Belarusian leader emphasized.
      http://www.km.ru/world/2014/04/13/protivostoyanie-na-ukraine-2013-14/737266-luka
      shenko-vystupil-protiv-federalizatsii
      Is he better than Poles? And what, if not a secret?
      1. tokin1959
        tokin1959 April 14 2014 17: 57
        +1
        nothing, Lukash is a traitor.
        he laughed at the beginning, when the opposition was harshly crushed, and he was denied access to the West, probably now regrets it.
        and there would be access to the West - the Belarusian Yushchenko would be, if not worse.
        he is still Russophobe.
        1. Sour
          Sour April 14 2014 18: 02
          +2
          I agree with everything except one.
          Quote: tokin1959
          and they closed the exit to the West,

          As soon as Luke openly opposes Russia, the West forgive him everything. Because the West, by and large, does not give a damn about who is in power in Belarus, if only this power was against Russia.
          1. tokin1959
            tokin1959 April 14 2014 18: 16
            +3
            Lukash might be glad to stand against Russia, but he buys gas and oil at a very favorable price, he can eat it from the hands of Russia, but he wants to bite, and he bites a little bit.
            And if he sells energy carriers at a normal European price - the Belarusian economic miracle attributed to Old Man Lukash, this Belarusian socialism will immediately collapse, and then the people will certainly throw him out, neither the KGB nor the police will help him.
            here the old man spins like that, and with such statements - both about shooting in the Crimea and about the unitarity of Ukraine - his whole essence creeps out - treacherous and Russophobic.
            1. not main
              not main April 15 2014 00: 33
              0
              Quote: tokin1959
              here dad and spins like that,

              By the way, Belarus has long been replacing news broadcasts of Russian television channels with local news! Culturally, the channels are not closed, and the information is controlled!
  40. solaco
    solaco April 14 2014 17: 26
    0
    KIEV, April 14 - RIA Novosti. Ukraine proposed the UN to conduct a joint operation with the organization’s peacekeeping forces in the east of the country, said Acting President Turchinov, appointed by the Verkhovna Rada, during a telephone conversation with UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon.

    Completely exhausted from the fight against the "separatists" ...
  41. mamont5
    mamont5 April 14 2014 17: 32
    +4
    German expert talks about the situation with Ukraine. He speaks very harshly about the position of his government in connection with the support of the US coup.
    1. builder
      builder April 14 2014 20: 15
      +2
      "... Americans are playing with fire in our forest, in front of our doors ..."
      Very good German said
  42. mig31
    mig31 April 14 2014 17: 47
    +4
    The mattresses are at a loss, it turns out that Southeastern Ukraine is already populated by Russians, where did the tsar look ???
    1. Maximxnumx
      Maximxnumx April 14 2014 18: 17
      +4
      Quote: mig31
      The mattresses are at a loss, it turns out that Southeastern Ukraine is already populated by Russians, where did the tsar look ???


      With the CIA, everything is more or less clear. they slap the fact that this territory was inhabited by Russians. After all, the Russians lived there for centuries, and the CIA appeared only in 1947.
  43. Atash
    Atash April 14 2014 17: 50
    +1
    Quote: parusnik
    It will remain, the Lviv region, which will be called Ukraine .. and the West and NATO do not need such Ukraine ..


    Just the same, they need such Ukraine. They would be happy if the South-East would immediately break away like the Crimea, and with little western Ukraine they would quickly solve all the problems. Federalization may mean that the pro-Russian Southeast will be part of Ukraine for a long time and will interfere with it.
  44. onegin61
    onegin61 April 14 2014 17: 53
    +2
    The west and south-east of Ukraine will never agree, as a result, a civil war will take place, which will result in the formation of paramilitary groups, formations, detachments, power structures subordinate to one or the other side. The existing confrontation will continue until finally the parties, seeing hopelessness the provisions do not agree on the division of Ukraine into the western part - Ukraine (Lviv, Ternopil and Rivne regional central part with Kiev) and Little Russia-south, southeastern part, with the definition of borders and all other attributes ov (following the example of the separation of Czechoslovakia). Here's how. Any force intervention in this process by the United States and the West will be sharply countered by the immediate deployment of the Russian military contingent to assist the Russian and Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine in their treatment.
    1. Sour
      Sour April 14 2014 17: 59
      +2
      It is a likely scenario.
      The impossibility of reaching an agreement exists for many reasons. One of them is the lack of a single leader for the "Maidan". Who is there to negotiate? In addition, they do not look like sane people who control themselves. It seems that they were eager for power not to establish some kind of order (at least even Bandera's), but mainly to settle scores with political opponents. I remember well how on the very first day after the seizure of power, they threatened everyone they could. These are crazy, inadequate, stupid people who for some reason have taken up politics.
      1. I think so
        I think so April 14 2014 19: 17
        0
        They carry out the task - the destruction of Slavic civilization for them and pay and maintain. In addition, the west gave them permission to do anything with the population, and this is high, so the guys frolic hanging up and shooting Russian speakers. The crimes of Bandera and Shukhevych seem like childish amusements ...
    2. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx April 14 2014 20: 12
      0
      more equitable division into 4 federal parts - Transcarpathia, Galicia, Little Russia and New Russia.
  45. alikalik
    alikalik April 14 2014 17: 53
    +3
    Everything goes according to the scenario of GDP. 17-04-14 Vladimir Vladimirovich to voice the future of Ukraine. The rest can not listen.
  46. Atash
    Atash April 14 2014 17: 59
    0
    Quote: mamont5
    "It seems that the main task of high-ranking American emissaries visiting the Ukrainian capital is to convince local authorities not to pay attention to harsh statements from Moscow."


    They encourage forceful actions in order to provoke Russia to take the same actions in defense, and, again, in the end, to split off SE.
  47. kare
    kare April 14 2014 18: 00
    +1
    If every honest person "banged" one pi-ndos, the world would not undoubtedly become cleaner recourse
  48. delfinN
    delfinN April 14 2014 18: 08
    +2
    They learned only one action from Ancient Rome: divide and conquer!
  49. Maximxnumx
    Maximxnumx April 14 2014 18: 14
    +1
    Quote: sinukvl
    Naturally, mattresses need peace, preferably ALL !!!

    And according to their statements, they want world peace. What has been demonstrated more than once by peaceful bombing of peaceful settlements and by peaceful bombardments of civilians
  50. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina April 14 2014 18: 30
    0
    If the referendum is not held separately and before the presidential election, then all that is done in the South and Southeast of Ukraine is worthless. The people will simply be deceived.