Military Review

A. Wasserman: “Russians don't abandon theirs!”

212
A. Wasserman: “Russians don't abandon theirs!”



That is why we support the economy of Ukraine, despite the seizure of power by gangsters, the expert emphasizes

There is one aspect in the current Russian-Ukrainian relations in which our position is literally “worse than the governor’s”. This is the economy. The problem of this area is that it is very specific and addressable. If political battles on everyday everyday life are reflected only by glare, neponyatki with unemployment and social services, with trade of all scales and money in general - this is something that greatly affects our everyday life.

But in the end there is an amusing discrepancy: we are helping not only to a friendly state, but also, in parallel, unfriendly to its invaders, in fact thereby abandoning the initially declared position of not recognizing the prevailing junta. At the same time, Bandera’s “thank you” traditionally either pinch or pronounce with such intonation that it would be better to be silent ...

Basically, this, although not only, and President Vladimir Putin spoke in his residence with the government. According to the official presidential website, the meeting was attended by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev and one of his deputies Dmitry Rogozin, as well as Assistant Head of State Andrei Belousov, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov, Energy Minister Alexander Novak, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov and, of course, the head of the Ministry of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukayev. A special guest is Deputy Chairman of the Board of OAO Gazprom Vitaly Markelov. The presence of the Gazprom top manager was due to the very narrowly posed question - energy and, specifically, gas as the engine thereof.

And again, because the same awkward историяwhen we revenge specifically to the “collective Yarosh”, and we fall for those who are now in Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk, Nikolaev, and then with all the stops defending their right to the pro-Russian vector. Leave them without gas, without light? Since we ourselves are not in a hurry to accept them into Russia. With torches, you will not live now, but the West will not worry about such trifles now ...

“The situation is certainly strange, to put it mildly,” said Vladimir Putin’s meeting with the government, “because, as you know, our partners in Europe recognize the legitimacy of today's Kiev authorities, but they do nothing to support Ukraine,” one dollar, not a single euro. The Russian Federation does not recognize the legitimacy of the authorities in Kiev, but continues to provide economic support and subsidizes the Ukrainian economy with hundreds of millions and billions of dollars so far. This situation, of course, cannot continue indefinitely, but once again I want to note that we must act very carefully, without destroying the little that is left. ”

Anatoly Wasserman, a well-known journalist and political scientist, commented on this key phrase of the Russian chapter in an interview with the KM.RU columnist:

- As I understand it, this is a completely natural alignment. Our geopolitical competitors are ready to support anyone under two conditions: firstly, this support of them should cause us significant damage, and, secondly, it will not require significant expenses from them. In this case, as it is easy to see, both conditions converge. In Ukraine, the efforts of Washington to bring to power people who are ready to give the West at least the whole of Ukraine entirely, just to thereby foul the Russian Federation. But, of course, no one will pay these fanatics until they have worked off the 5 billions of dollars already invested in them.

One may say that this is the cynicism of the highest standard, but the Secretary of the London Union of Bookbinders Thomas Joseph Dunning once said that capital is ready for anything for profit, namely, for the sake of profit in 300% he is capital ready to go a crime that otherwise would not have risked going even under the fear of the gallows. Later, this catch phrase of Dunning was quoted in his Capital by Karl Marx, and indeed, many authors quoted and quoted it to this day. And I believe that in the West today it is even much more famous than here.

If we conditionally proceed from the rate of profit indicated by Dunning, the Americans should expect to receive at least 20 billion dollars from the looting of Ukraine before they consider that their investments have paid off. Well, to fear the gallows from a crime for the sake of such a profit went, of course, not to the Americans themselves, but precisely to the very same gangs who brought them to power. And that is why Bandera is now ready to literally kill those who oppose them.

As for the Russian Federation, its position on the Ukrainian issue is determined primarily by the fact that five sixths of the population of Ukraine are native speakers of the Russian language and use it in everyday communication. That is, on such a formal basis, they are Russians. But the Russians do not abandon theirs, and therefore the Russian Federation is quite logical and consistently continues to support the economy of Ukraine, even realizing that under the present objective conditions the bandits who seized power inevitably have their share of this help. But Moscow is ready to put up with this, as long as in Ukraine it is still not so bad that the overthrow of the junta suddenly becomes a vital necessity.

In general, today I can only hope that the obvious lack of economic pressure from Russia will be compensated by some other, no longer economic, but perhaps humanitarian means. In particular, the constant task of the pro-Russian non-governmental media in Ukraine could be a constant reminder to the Russian majority of citizens of this republic that they are Russians, that power is seized by outspoken gangsters and that they can be thrown off only by combining and correcting their actions - as in the well-known parable of broom. Alone, Russian cities in the South-East will be captured by Bandera and will inevitably become anti-Russian. But if you unite together - nothing will come of the advocates of fascism.
Author:
Originator:
http://www.km.ru/v-rossii/2014/04/10/protivostoyanie-na-ukraine-2013-14/736981-vasserman-russkie-svoikh-ne-brosayut
212 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. ele1285
    ele1285 April 12 2014 20: 58
    +5
    KysmetSvyatoslav the warrior obeyed his fate
    1. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 April 12 2014 21: 07
      +25
      US Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew called on the international community to take a more active part in the economic salvation of Ukraine.

      In his address to the International Monetary Fund, Lew emphasized that the United States, for its part, is doing everything possible.
      they muddied everything, and save the whole world and at the same time did not give a dime.
      1. larisa gurina
        larisa gurina April 12 2014 21: 21
        +30
        so it’s the classic style of Western politics - to do dirty tricks with the wrong hands ... and then call on the whole world to fight the consequences of these very tricks. jackals, in a word. am
        1. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist April 12 2014 22: 50
          +42
          We should help them.
          Like this, for example:
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 April 12 2014 23: 42
            +14
            Quote: Mature Naturalist
            We should help them.


            ... so be it -
            1. sds555
              sds555 April 13 2014 00: 01
              +26
              Donetsk Golden eagle with the People 12.04.14/XNUMX/XNUMX
              1. Morgan761
                Morgan761 April 13 2014 00: 19
                +13
                "Well done" from the lips of people sounded above any awards .... "Berkut" - deserved it!
              2. sams
                sams April 13 2014 00: 31
                +11
                these guys are real men and defenders of the people
                "Trust in God, but don't make a mistake yourself" - Russian proverb
              3. delfinN
                delfinN April 13 2014 04: 23
                +10
                Especially in war
                1. DMoroz
                  DMoroz April 13 2014 07: 54
                  +4
                  thanks, already wept
                  1. Val_y
                    Val_y April 15 2014 15: 22
                    0
                    Exactly, poked eh .... soldier
                2. DMoroz
                  DMoroz April 13 2014 07: 54
                  0
                  thanks, already wept
              4. mamont5
                mamont5 April 13 2014 06: 27
                +2
                Quote: sds555
                Golden Eagle with the People 12.04.14

                What can I say. And here the Berkut people did not disappoint. Well done!
      2. skrgar
        skrgar April 12 2014 21: 50
        +18
        they muddied everything, and save the whole world and at the same time did not give a dime. [/ quote]
        It’s especially lousy for me that they are all Scythian gold, our inheritance, was stolen .. And at the same time, not a dollar to Ukraine .. We should never forget that! Well, wait .. remember and answer !!!
      3. platitsyn70
        platitsyn70 April 12 2014 22: 22
        +23
        Donbass rose, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Druzhkovka, Krasny Liman, studied in Slavyansk in the late 80s, when they fought in Karabakh and partisans began to call from Ukraine, men and youth rose and little seemed to the Azerbaijanis to be especially hard hit. Good fellows, we are with you, forward for our homeland for freedom and justice.
        1. skifd
          skifd April 13 2014 01: 21
          -4
          Quote: platitsyn70
          Donbass rose, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Druzhkovka, Krasny Liman



          Now the "right sector" rises . URGENTLY :



          Mobilization announced .
          1. AVIATOR36662
            AVIATOR36662 April 13 2014 05: 32
            +6
            And right now, this restless law-breaker can easily be eliminated by his overlords. Let's see if the current authorities in Kiev have enough logic to remove this uncontrollable creature? He creates only problems for him, he can only aggravate the situation where it needs to be smoothed. Of course, in Kiev The Lobachevskys are sitting, but thinking does not stop them. After all, Sashka Bily was thought of eliminating! Now this is the turn.
    2. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 April 12 2014 22: 29
      +14
      Earlier on Saturday, the presidential candidate of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko on the air of the Rovno-1 TV channel, in particular, said: "(It is necessary) to immediately convene the NSDC or make a decision of the acting president. We need clear coordination, up to the use of an anti-terrorist operation."
      beef king, sensed the end, the star will soon be to you.
      1. alexng
        alexng April 13 2014 01: 03
        +8
        Crisis flies over America: "Oh !!! How well I did a good job here!"
        Flies over Europe "And did a great job here!"
        Flies over Ukraine: "Whoa, who has already worked here?"
    3. Smiles to you
      Smiles to you April 13 2014 03: 09
      +1
      Anatoly, as always, burns. Not in an eyebrow. and in the eye ....
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 April 12 2014 21: 04
    +61
    gentlemen-comrades ... maybe we already hang the USSR flag over the Kremlin? what is the cat to pull for different places?
    1. I do not care
      I do not care April 12 2014 21: 12
      +24
      Quote: andrei332809
      namely, in the name of profit in 300%, he - capital - is ready to commit any crime that he would not risk in any other case, even under pain of the gallows. Later, Karl Marx quoted this catchphrase by Dunning in his Capital, and indeed many authors have quoted it and are quoting it to this day. And I believe that in the West today it is even more famous than ours.

      Forward and with the songs
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet April 12 2014 21: 33
        +24
        Quote: me by
        in the name of 300% profit, he - capital - is ready to commit any crime

        Russian cartoons for children can now be interrupted by commercial advertising. The relevant bill is being discussed at the Ministry of Culture. What the hell culture? What will advertise for children - pads, proctonis from hemorrhoids? Finally, how to explain to the child why the cartoon was interrupted and show something that is not clear to him ???
        1. Tersky
          Tersky April 12 2014 22: 09
          +14
          Quote: Bayonet
          What will advertise for children - pads, proctonis from hemorrhoids?

          do not rush to conclusions, according to the bill approved a list of advertising prohibited during the broadcast of cartoons. Including advertising of medical products and intimate hygiene items. In my opinion, children are better off watching our cartoon with advertising than the moronic "The Simpsons Family" without it.
          1. Apollo
            Apollo April 12 2014 22: 18
            +12
            Quote: Tersky
            My opinion is that children should watch our cartoon

            For example, we broadcast with the translation "Masha and the Bear". Although it does not need translation and so it is clear.
            1. Tersky
              Tersky April 12 2014 22: 28
              +16
              Quote: Apollon
              For example, we broadcast with the translation "Masha and the Bear".

              In Russia, it has been calculated that for 10 cartoons of Western film distribution, there is only one domestic. So much for the initial stage of zombifying our children. There are a dime a dozen of their cartoons, really fabulously beautiful and light, and children from toddler age are hammered with crap. By the way, my grandson with "Masha and the Bear" starts and ends the day. laughing .
              1. Apollo
                Apollo April 12 2014 22: 30
                +8
                Quote: Tersky
                and children from toddler’s head are clogged.


                Guilty carve, smack with rods.
              2. Egoza
                Egoza April 12 2014 22: 49
                +11
                Quote: Tersky
                By the way, my grandson with "Masha and the Bear" starts and ends the day

                And they want to ban this cartoon !!! "For the sexual overtones!" belay When the bear is caring ...
                However, "Well, wait a minute!" - does not fit either! There the Wolf smokes!
                When will they remove the IDDO from the various commissions? !!! am
              3. The comment was deleted.
              4. siberalt
                siberalt April 13 2014 05: 55
                0
                "Masha and the Bear" cartoon, of course cool, but what's the idea? My granddaughter watched several episodes, and then said that she felt sorry for the kind bear that Masha constantly mocks and stopped watching him altogether. Maybe because her name is also Masha.
            2. Alex Danilov
              Alex Danilov April 13 2014 00: 58
              +4
              And I like to watch "Well, wait!" ))) In my opinion, our Soviet era has entered it well.
          2. 225chay
            225chay April 12 2014 22: 41
            +5
            Quote: Tersky
            In my opinion, children are better off watching our cartoon with advertising than the moronic "The Simpsons Family" without it.


            What kind of ... erysipelas did these Sipsans put on the screen for viewing?
            1. dimdimich71
              dimdimich71 April 13 2014 02: 44
              0
              Simpson himself!
            2. DMoroz
              DMoroz April 13 2014 07: 58
              0
              remember the teletubbies ...
            3. DMoroz
              DMoroz April 13 2014 07: 58
              0
              remember the teletubbies ...
          3. yur
            yur April 12 2014 22: 52
            +7
            Quote: Tersky
            In my opinion, children are better off watching our cartoon with advertising than the moronic "The Simpsons Family" without it.
            And even better OUR cartoon, but WITHOUT advertising. And do not, please, about the lack of money, officials for cars for 5 million somehow find. what
          4. alexander 2
            alexander 2 April 13 2014 01: 36
            0
            Tersky, and better ours without ads. True, I have not seen contemporary Russian cartoons. It seems that all modern cartoons, although about us, were shot in Hollywood.
            1. ermolai
              ermolai April 13 2014 05: 37
              +2
              But about the horse and the hero?
    2. Little Muck
      Little Muck April 12 2014 21: 16
      +12
      Let's hold a referendum. Or at least an online survey.
      And with a legitimate proposal by April 17 to 12-00.
      So as if not with a kondachka. Reasonably.
      good I AM FOR.
      1. I do not care
        I do not care April 12 2014 21: 39
        +31
        By the way, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said that Ukraine does not have official borders with Russia while it remains the administrative district of the USSR. During the 23 years of the existence of the state (Ukraine), its leaders did not bother to carry out official demarcation of borders, this information was confirmed by UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon. The UN Security Council once again considered the issue of Ukraine, and experts made the following conclusion in the framework of international law: it turns out that since the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine has not carried out and did not properly register with the UN the demarcation of its borders as a state. They remain along the borders of the administrative district of the USSR in accordance with the usual treaty within the CIS, which the UN does not have legal force. The Constitution of Ukraine concerning the territory of the state does not mention borders anywhere. To date, the official demarcation of the borders of Ukraine has not been carried out with the former republics of the USSR - Russia, Belarus and Moldova (and with Russia, delimitation). This means that since Ukraine does not have its official border within the framework of international law, there is no reason to talk about its violation by anyone. There is also no reason to talk about separatism, i.e. forcibly changing the configuration of the border. You cannot change that which does not exist.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza April 12 2014 22: 44
          +5
          Quote: me by
          UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said that Ukraine does not have official borders with Russia while it remains the administrative district of the USSR.

          We are modestly silent about it! But border guards would need to know this first! In the meantime ...
          Border guards recalled that they have the right to shoot provocateurs
          http://news2000.com.ua/ni/2/24/249099/default.jpg
          In connection with the aggravation of the situation on the Ukrainian-Russian border, the State Border Service of Ukraine once again urges border residents to refrain from blocking border units, preventing law enforcement officers from fulfilling their duties and conducting other provocations at the state border, the League reports citing the State Border Guard Service press service .
          “When organizing illegal events or attempts to illegally seize units and office premises of the department, the State Border Service will be forced to take comprehensive measures to ensure the inviolability of the state border of Ukraine, protect personnel and family members of military personnel, preserve property and other material values. The agency will act exclusively within the framework of the current legislation of Ukraine and in accordance with the Charter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, ”the SPSU said in a statement.
          “Therefore, we emphasize once again the inadmissibility of provocations on the state border and urge all citizens to refrain from rash acts and illegal actions,” the border guards emphasize.
          As you know, in recent days in the south-east of Ukraine the facts of provocations of pro-Russian activists, illegally seizing state buildings and obstructing the activities of the SBU and the police, have become more frequent.
          http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/249099
          1. AVIATOR36662
            AVIATOR36662 April 12 2014 23: 15
            +4
            Today, the benefits of the SBU departments in the regions of southeastern Ukraine are the same as described in Voinovich's book about Chonkin, when the NKVD department went to the village to arrest (for no reason) a soldier, by the will of fate, abandoned there to guard the broken "cornfield". These departments of the SBU, no one will notice! And the border guards and even more the customs officers between Russia and Southeastern Ukraine should not be in principle! Or only nominally! Personally, I am against nominalism. I was convinced repeatedly that almost all grabbers and krakhobory. speed will everything change for the better?
    3. ambiorix
      ambiorix April 12 2014 21: 26
      +2
      Like the Simpsons))))

      http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ee465_copy-of-simpsons-soviet-union_fun
    4. Vadim12
      Vadim12 April 12 2014 21: 32
      +2
      With both hands "FOR"!
    5. free
      free April 12 2014 21: 33
      +24
      We are strong, we are brave
      Our torpedoes are rusty
      Do not touch us, and you will live longer.
      Reactors Launched
      And contrary to all factors
      The submarine cuts the ocean like a knife.

      Anxiety is relative
      But parity is uncertain
      And we are ready for our country,
      Send to a vigorous mother
      anyone in the wake
      It prevents us from breaking into the depths.

      Like sprats rammed
      Our body is armored,
      One hundred exhalations and breaths in unison.
      Underwater monasticism
      We pray to our God
      Leave us in good health caisson.

      In its underwater arable land
      We share the clock
      And every moment on the alert.
      We force the movement
      Deep dive
      In the shower, lifting up tightly longing.

      We pull, we can handle
      Let's go and not get substituted
      Through the depths, through I can’t.
      So that the thief doesn’t get
      All that was expensive
      us on their native, distant shore.

      and immediately at heart easier, this is in Russian!
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru April 12 2014 23: 19
        +3
        Quote: free
        and immediately at heart easier, this is in Russian!

        Would he share chords at the same time, or if there is a similar melody ..?
    6. The comment was deleted.
    7. Nicanor
      Nicanor April 12 2014 22: 08
      +3
      It's too early yet ...
    8. cosmos111
      cosmos111 April 12 2014 22: 13
      +4
      Quote: andrei332809
      gentlemen-comrades ... maybe we already hang the USSR flag over the Kremlin?

      great idea good !!
    9. KBPC50
      KBPC50 April 12 2014 22: 26
      +7
      Do not rush, not in this generation. All peoples of the whole world will someday realize that the foundation of the existence of the whole world is today's Russia. The truth will have to wait a long time. The famous paleontologist and writer Ivan Efremov wrote about this in his novels (Andromeda Nebula). But nothing, mankind will eventually mature. After all, wooden batons have not yet been thrown away, but already have atomic ones. So far, people are no longer monkeys, but not yet humans. That's where the trouble is ...
    10. Observer
      Observer April 12 2014 22: 37
      +5
      I am for. Moreover, in a referendum in 1991, he voted among the majority for the preservation of the USSR.
    11. old man 72
      old man 72 April 12 2014 23: 11
      +1
      Andrei !!! I’m only in favor, and with both hands I’ll vote!
    12. The comment was deleted.
    13. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov April 13 2014 00: 55
      +11
      Yes, let the tricolor of Russia remain. Che, do not agree? Why, it can only protect us — Russia is the only one. Let its flag develop, tricolor! Our defender, mother Russia! If there wasn’t a hone Russia, it would be us. So the tricolor of Russia must rightfully develop. Then, the USSR, now, Russia and its flag.
      Glory to Russia! And God bless Russia.
    14. SF93
      SF93 April 13 2014 01: 18
      0
      If the USSR flag is hoisted over the Kremlin, America will specifically do its star-striped thong.
      1. svetlomor
        svetlomor April 13 2014 02: 05
        +3
        And if the FSB renamed the KGB she would eat these thongs.
    15. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. April 13 2014 02: 41
      0
      I am sure this day will definitely come!
      And then, with tears in our eyes, we will put all the national shrines in their places.
      And we will reward everyone ...
      But for now, the southeast of Ukraine is closer to the USSR than Russia.
      Rather, closer to PARADISE is now CRIMEA.
    16. dimdimich71
      dimdimich71 April 13 2014 03: 16
      +1
      100000 thousand signatures and our application will be considered smile
    17. tenere1200
      tenere1200 April 13 2014 13: 16
      +1
      Quote: andrei332809
      gentlemen-comrades ... maybe we already hang the USSR flag over the Kremlin? what is the cat to pull for different places?

      Thanks for the post. I haven’t heard our Anthem for so long. Although it seems so simple to dial in Yandex and listen ... Already a lump in the throat. Such an unbearable desire to return to 70-80 years. When the country was whole, and unplanned. And at the same time, stick a screwdriver in the eye of one bald subhuman. God willing, we will return. But in a new round of history.
  3. svetlomor
    svetlomor April 12 2014 21: 06
    +9
    Alone, Russian cities in the Southeast will be captured by Bandera and will inevitably become anti-Russian. But if you pull together, nothing will come of the advocates of fascism.
    They will not succeed in love, their memory is too strong, and with this one is a warrior in the field.
  4. svp67
    svp67 April 12 2014 21: 07
    +11
    In general, today I can only hope that the obvious lack of economic pressure from Russia will be compensated by some other, no longer economic, but perhaps humanitarian means. In particular, the constant task of the pro-Russian non-governmental media in Ukraine could be a constant reminder to the Russian majority of citizens of this republic that they are Russians, that power is seized by outspoken gangsters and that they can be thrown off only by combining and correcting their actions - as in the well-known parable of broom. Alone, Russian cities in the South-East will be captured by Bandera and will inevitably become anti-Russian. But if you unite together - nothing will come of the advocates of fascism.

    Where is our ambassador to Ukraine? These are all the tasks in his direct competence ... It is time to send an active and very persistent person, caliber no less than Churkin, to Ukraine ...
    1. hommer
      hommer April 12 2014 22: 16
      +13
      Quote: svp67
      It's time to send an active and very persistent person to Ukraine


      And, most importantly, - polite!
      1. Predator
        Predator April 12 2014 23: 40
        +3
        And not one! Preferably by plane (s) ... bully
    2. Apollo
      Apollo April 12 2014 22: 20
      +9
      Quote: svp67
      Where is our ambassador to Ukraine?

      Are you talking about Zurabov ?!
      In his neck.
      1. Linas
        Linas April 12 2014 22: 50
        +7
        Yes, our ambassadors to Ukraine in recent years have been something ... Maybe this is also why this attitude towards Russia?
        1. Predator
          Predator April 12 2014 23: 41
          +3
          Kadyrov will go with a support group ?!
    3. mamont5
      mamont5 April 13 2014 06: 32
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Where is our ambassador to Ukraine?


      So, it seems, the ambassadors were recalled.
  5. Chikua
    Chikua April 12 2014 21: 09
    +11
    Power!!!!
    It is true that the Russian anthem was put on such beautiful music!
  6. saag
    saag April 12 2014 21: 09
    +10
    Quote: svp67
    Where is our ambassador to Ukraine?

    Do you follow the situation or what? The ambassador has long been recalled, even before the February events
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 12 2014 22: 17
      +5
      Quote: saag
      Do you follow the situation or what? The ambassador has long been recalled, even before the February events

      So I ask, why the move is still not given?
      Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Foreign Relations Leonid Kalashnikov prepared a proposal for the resignation of Russian ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov. According to the parliamentarian, Zurabov showed a complete lack of professional skills necessary in this responsible post, as evidenced by the radicalism of anti-Russian sentiments of the Euromaidan.
  7. The comment was deleted.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky April 12 2014 21: 16
      +47
      Quote: Eydolon
      You are a Jew, Wasserman

      It RUSSIAN Jew!
      1. ambiorix
        ambiorix April 12 2014 21: 22
        +20
        In contrast to the liberal 5th column, where the Jews are American
      2. MIRU-MIR66
        MIRU-MIR66 April 13 2014 00: 21
        +7
        SOVIET - he says so about himself smile
    2. Revolver
      Revolver April 12 2014 21: 19
      +20
      Quote: Eydolon
      You are a Jew, Wasserman
      What problems do you have with this?
    3. The comment was deleted.
    4. mongoose
      mongoose April 12 2014 21: 35
      +17
      not only Jews changed Russia, but Russia changed Jews wink
    5. sazhka4
      sazhka4 April 12 2014 22: 16
      +15
      Quote: Eydolon
      You are a Jew, Wasserman

      And Kazakh and Chukchi and Russian and Jewish .. We are all Russian .. There is no other way. There are Citizens of Russia, and there are "thugs" like Makarevich. But all the same, we are all Russians .. We will figure it out for ourselves .. USA, EU, NATO, pase do not care .. We are Rat ..
  8. ele1285
    ele1285 April 12 2014 21: 10
    +4
    As for the Russian Federation, its position on the Ukrainian issue
    Yes, nevermind to us. Download on them.
  9. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 12 2014 21: 11
    +15
    Washington’s efforts brought people to power, ready to give the West even the whole of Ukraine, if only to thereby spoil the Russian Federation. But, of course, no one will pay these fanatics until they work out the $ 5 billion already invested in them.
    So these "candy wrappers" are now beginning to burn the ground under their feet. And now the almost "bought Ukraine" suddenly turns out to already belong to Russia (at least in spirit, they apparently did not know this before).
    And here the law of the military fraternity is included (more than one war was fought together), RUSSIA DOES NOT DROP THEIRS.
    POINT.
    Tick.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 12 2014 22: 55
      +5
      Quote: Little Muck
      RUSSIA DOES NOT DROP THEIRS.
      DOT.
      Tick.

      How to tick? And without any profit?crying

      Funny news recently came to my eyes: the American fast food chain Burger King plans to come to Crimea and occupy a niche freed by its main competitor and fellow countryman - the McDonald's network. This once again confirms the truth that a holy place does not happen empty, especially when it comes to business. And that policy is taken into account solely as a factor affecting the percentage of profit. It was the drop in profitability that caused the mass closure of restaurants in Kiev (and throughout Ukraine) on the eve of the May holidays.
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. Little Muck
        Little Muck April 12 2014 23: 09
        +9
        It's time to announce the mobilization of our "Pelmenny", "Pancake" and "Cookery".
        Their yield on the eve of the May holidays will be exactly the opposite. I am sure. good
      3. zzz
        zzz April 12 2014 23: 11
        +4
        Am I misunderstood something? He is not joking? In YouTube, for some reason, without sound, but in contact it’s normal, New. Oleg Lyashko: South-East "terrorists and I will shoot !!!!!!!! This is arrogance !!!!!!!

        https://vk.com/wall-67092426_14409
      4. sazhka4
        sazhka4 April 15 2014 11: 14
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        How to tick? And without any profit?

        Profit "What is it?
  10. Saratovets
    Saratovets April 12 2014 21: 12
    +24
    A Jew is Nationality, and RUSSIAN is a STATE OF SOUL! And belonging to the RUSSIAN WORLD
    1. zennon
      zennon April 12 2014 21: 29
      +7
      A Jew is Nationality, and RUSSIAN is a STATE OF SOUL!

      That is, you are denying my nationality? I and tens of millions of other people in the 5th column, whether it is now, should write "state of mind"?
      1. mongoose
        mongoose April 12 2014 21: 36
        +1
        well, so the old Bolshevik Russophobic attitude, they still believe that we are not Russian
      2. Saratovets
        Saratovets April 12 2014 21: 38
        +7
        Well, why doesn’t it interfere with one another)) and then, the same story as with the Ukrainians, they used to be called Little Russians, and they wrote to us as Great Russians ... because now it’s not accepted then in the 5th column, be it now , we will be Russian)
        1. zennon
          zennon April 12 2014 22: 47
          +2
          Well, why, one does not interfere with the other))

          It is disturbing! It is written clearly and clearly:
          A Jew is Nationality, and RUSSIAN is a STATE OF SOUL!

          Anyone have a nationality! In the USSR, they measured any minority, at least 30 people-nationality! Let them compose culture, language, writing. Only Russians were bashfully avoided. No matter how offended others! By the way, I am SARATOVETS, and my father and mother are from Saratov region. The working village of Khvatovka, if interested.
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru April 12 2014 23: 30
          +3
          Quote: Saratovets
          We were written by the Great Russians ..

          Incorrectly, your great-grandmother gave you the following:
          "Until 1917, the column" Nationality "was absent in the passports submitted to the Russian Empire." http://forum.dpni.org/showthread.php?t=45707
      3. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich April 13 2014 10: 12
        0
        Quote: zennon
        That is, you are denying my nationality? I and tens of millions of other people in the 5th column, whether it is now, should write "state of mind"?

        I would say that "a Russian person is a place of birth plus destiny" (c). And at the same time, whether he is a Jew, Tungus or Chuvash, this is already secondary. If a person has a Russian way of thinking, then he is Russian!
        1. sazhka4
          sazhka4 April 15 2014 10: 59
          0
          Fidget SU April 12, 2014 22:55 p.m. ↑

          Quote: Little Muck
          RUSSIA DOES NOT DROP THEIRS.
          DOT.
          Tick
          -------------------------------------
          What for? Where? And do we need it? .. We ourselves will put whom and how to ..
    2. ele1285
      ele1285 April 12 2014 21: 38
      0
      You are not captive
      Have poles lick
      You are no longer worthy
      not russian
  11. The comment was deleted.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 12 2014 21: 34
      +17
      I went to school, SloVyan?
    2. Nicanor
      Nicanor April 12 2014 22: 16
      -4
      Why do you need Wasser ?!
  12. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 12 2014 21: 14
    +11
    Quote: Eydolon
    You are a Jew, Wasserman

    Vasserman is a JEWISH but he is a RUSSIAN JEWS and devoted to RUSSIA. good
    1. old man 72
      old man 72 April 12 2014 23: 22
      +4
      For more such people, it does not matter who they are, a Jew, a Tatar, a Belarusian or Russian !!!
    2. old man 72
      old man 72 April 12 2014 23: 22
      +2
      For more such people, it does not matter who they are, a Jew, a Tatar, a Belarusian or Russian !!!
  13. bleckhill
    bleckhill April 12 2014 21: 15
    +6
    At one point, money from behind the hill will run out and Bandera scum will be immediately converted or will whine like boobies on the Maidan !!! we are fucked .... 200%, we don’t need anyone, where is the financing, etc., etc. ...
  14. ambiorix
    ambiorix April 12 2014 21: 20
    +15
    Seitsachas is just sitting at the National Security and Defense Council with Turchinov.
    Live Stream.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 12 2014 22: 58
      +3
      Quote: ambiorix
      Seitsachas is just sitting at the National Security and Defense Council with Turchinov.
      Live Stream.

      As he is every lazy, i.e. the evening is in session! And everything is urgent! Urgently! And fires! And fires! Not justified "high trust!" tongue
      1. 225chay
        225chay April 12 2014 23: 08
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        Seitsachas is just sitting at the National Security and Defense Council with Turchinov.
        Live Stream.
        As he is every lazy, i.e. the evening is in session! And everything is urgent! Urgently! And fires! And fires! Not justified "high trust!"


        horseradish baptist ... then a scientist, a scientologist, then a mrazin turkish ...
        And all together this is a bunch of villains and scum
  15. Saratovets
    Saratovets April 12 2014 21: 21
    +23
    By the way, today I watched an interesting moment, (we have a lot of women from the Caucasus wearing hijabs here) today I saw one lady with whom he swore very much in the summer about the Pugachev events, so she began to wear a hooded vest with the inscription RUSSIA, and before that there was an inscription Chechnya! A trifle but nice ...
    It can be seen that something in people’s worldview is changing for the better)))
  16. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn April 12 2014 21: 22
    +8
    Anatoly is a man. Although a Jew-and Russian.
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 April 12 2014 22: 16
      +16
      Yes, he is a million times more RUSSIAN than TABURETKIN say with a friend.
    2. Walk
      Walk April 12 2014 23: 50
      +1
      A Jew born in Ukraine, and Russian in the shower.
    3. sazhka4
      sazhka4 April 13 2014 00: 16
      +3
      Quote: Riperbahn
      Although a Jew-and Russian.

      An interesting phrase .. In Russia, All Russians. And the Buryat and the Lithuanian and the Ukrainian and the Jew and the Russian ... There are no others here. Is it easy or difficult to understand? What difference does it make to whom they "run over". They ran into Us .. And Us Rat .. We have to "abuse" this expression. Where to go .. Such is life ..
  17. Deadmen
    Deadmen April 12 2014 21: 25
    +13
    America shouted most of all about help to Ukraine, and as it came to pass, some worthless billion and that were offered guarantees. Shameful and balabol.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac April 13 2014 01: 53
      +2
      Quote: Deadmen
      America shouted most of all about help to Ukraine, and as it came to pass, some worthless billion and that were offered guarantees. Shameful and balabol.


      Goons, they are goons in America. hi
  18. Dmitry Donskoy
    Dmitry Donskoy April 12 2014 21: 25
    +12
    USSR is our Homeland, USSR 2.0 is the Homeland of our grandchildren - to God’s ears laughing
    1. mongoose
      mongoose April 12 2014 21: 37
      -17%
      what for? to feed the "brothers"?
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 12 2014 22: 19
        +6
        Quote: mongoose
        what for? to feed the "brothers"?

        To lend a helping hand to those who need it ... It seems you do not understand this ...
      2. Penzyac
        Penzyac April 13 2014 02: 02
        +4
        Quote: mongoose
        what for? to feed the "brothers"?


        Do not feed, but help to feed.
        An old song from the time of the destruction of the USSR, Ukraine then shouted the loudest than everyone else, as a result, now it cannot even feed itself. And Ukrainians are not brothers, but simply Russians, who have lost their way with enemy help.
    2. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 April 12 2014 23: 34
      +5
      On this score, the GDP has recently expressed its opinion, I will not repeat it. On this score (and on many other cases of this kind) there is a proverb: “You cannot enter the same river twice!” Of course, there will be some kind of union (the name could be consistent with this abbreviation-USSR), this is just a requirement of time and people it is the former USSR. But the name "RUSSIA" is also not from the bay-flounder we have. Time will tell!
  19. Sergg
    Sergg April 12 2014 21: 26
    +10
    Only one unification of the East of Ukraine and Russia is possible; already lies about fraternal peoples are enough.
    Ukrainian nationalism showed its fascist face, we are not on the way with them, and look how they meanly behave at international meetings.

    We have brothers in the South-East of Ukraine, and the rest went to hell to the west.
    1. mongoose
      mongoose April 12 2014 21: 39
      +3
      on ukroin there is no nationalism due to the lack of a nation! what there is called differently, namely, national socialism
    2. svp67
      svp67 April 12 2014 22: 21
      +12
      Quote: Sergg
      We have brothers in the South-East of Ukraine, and the rest went to hell to the west.
      But Uzhhorod and the whole Transcarpathian region, then there RUSIN live, how is it with them?
      1. AVIATOR36662
        AVIATOR36662 April 12 2014 23: 35
        +9
        There are also a lot of Russians, not just Rusyns. Has anyone forgotten about the Russian first printer Fedorov? And this is exactly Lvov! So "we must be softer on this issue, comrades."
  20. fregina1
    fregina1 April 12 2014 21: 28
    +7
    Quote: ambiorix
    Seitsachas is just sitting at the National Security and Defense Council with Turchinov.
    Live Stream.

    It’s just some kind of fantastic seers !!! JUST MUCH MORE THAN VAENGI!
    Only need to find an analogue of SHCHORS !!!!!
    1. mongoose
      mongoose April 12 2014 21: 39
      -5
      in any zone of strict regime "shors" is full
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac April 13 2014 02: 14
        +2
        Quote: mongoose
        in any zone of strict regime "shors" is full


        Sorry, frarook, where and how many rewound?
        What are the articles? Or maybe he was a watchman? Keep an eye on the bazaar and change to "skunk".
    2. ambiorix
      ambiorix April 12 2014 21: 44
      +5
      They even guessed about the Americans)))
      "We need to be recognized by America !!!"
      1. mongoose
        mongoose April 12 2014 22: 07
        0
        still filmed when laughing
        1. Nicanor
          Nicanor April 12 2014 22: 36
          +2
          Filmed, just in time, and Schorsov, these banderlogs themselves found in the southeast!
      2. Egoza
        Egoza April 12 2014 23: 01
        +2
        Quote: ambiorix
        "We need to be recognized by America !!!"

        The USA is Most Concerned about the Elections in Ukraine
        One of the urgent tasks of the USA is to ensure the holding of fair and free Presidential elections in Ukraine. Such a statement was made at a meeting with Odessa journalists by the Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the United States to Ukraine, Jeffrey Payette, a polemic correspondent reports.

        According to him, this is a fundamental factor in the situation in which Ukraine is now. In addition, in his opinion, the Ukrainian government urgently needs to carry out a set of reforms. And above all, constitutional reform.

        As for the specific assistance that the United States intends to provide Ukraine, then, according to the ambassador, this applies to the modernization of agriculture and energy security. However, even this small amount of assistance is possible only in the long term.

        As for Odessa, the American diplomat recalled that the American representative office was opened there for the first time in 1830, and praised the inhabitants of Odessa for celebrating the 70th anniversary of the liberation of the city from the Nazis, not forgetting to mention the role of the United States in the victory over the Nazis .

        Nevertheless, the question of the Odessa journalist about how the ambassador’s home would have appreciated the attempt to wipe his feet on the banner of the Victory, which took place on the part of several Maydan residents during the Odessa celebrations, the ambassador, in fact, left unanswered.
        Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-143289.html
  21. Pastor
    Pastor April 12 2014 21: 31
    +3
    Quote: platitsyn70
    they muddied everything, and save the whole world and at the same time did not give a penny

    and in all likelihood, except Russia, no one will save, one empty chatter and air shake ..
  22. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch April 12 2014 21: 31
    +10
    Such as Anatoly are the majority of Jews in Russia. Although almost the entire "fifth column" has Jewish roots, think about it?
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo April 12 2014 21: 48
        +4
        Quote: mongoose
        yeah, the Jews are white and fluffy .........deleted

        What did not please ?! winked
        1. mongoose
          mongoose April 12 2014 22: 08
          +2
          on the orders of the "white and fluffy" Latvians of the great-grandfather, disabled of the Great War, and my grandfather's brothers with their wives and children were shot
  23. Valkh
    Valkh April 12 2014 21: 35
    +4
    Quote: Eydolon
    Wasser, why do you need Slovenia?


    And what do you have against them ???
  24. datur
    datur April 12 2014 21: 43
    +1
    and BECAUSE - Tolian is right !!!!! laughing--We do not abandon our own people, but show yourselves at least !! repeat We should have Mlyn an occasion !!!! winked
  25. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn April 12 2014 21: 43
    +5
    You are all wrong. There are no real Russians in Russia. All the so-called Russians are mostly Tatars, Bashkirs, Chuvashs, Little Russians, Jews. Just - Russian - is a state of mind. You can minus it, but Russian today is not a nationality - it is a NATION. This is what you consider yourself. Maybe he said clumsily. I myself am half Tatar.
    1. datur
      datur April 12 2014 21: 51
      +18
      pancake - that you are right - BUT I AM RUSSIAN OF GERMAN ORIGIN !!! my best friend is RUSSIAN POLISH ORIGIN !! - BY THE BOTH WE ARE RUSSIAN BOTH MOMS !!! WE ARE RUSSIAN, AND WE KNOW IT, AND WE ARE Proud !!!! and I think that WE ARE NOT ABANDONING OURS IN THE SOUTH-EAST !!!
    2. Saratovets
      Saratovets April 12 2014 21: 54
      +10
      You are one hundred percent right! the blood of Russians, Ukrainians, Mordovians and Chuvashs flows in me, while I am Russian!
    3. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich April 12 2014 22: 03
      +13
      Personally, I consider myself Russian! And I think that really the concept of Russian refers to the state of the Soul. In my understanding, this is self-sacrifice, honesty, love of freedom, justice, and, to some extent, naivety that allows one to believe in these ideals and defend the right to exist, surrounded by a moronic Western ideology of 3,14 democracy and democracy. Only thanks to these qualities today we do not live under the fascist heel !!! Glory to the Russians !!!!!
      1. Barmal
        Barmal April 13 2014 02: 45
        +1
        it doesn't hurt to add "Glory to the peoples of Russia!"

        so it will be more understandable to those who do not agree that Russian is not only a nationality, but also a state of mind. As confirmed by his deeds Wasserman. And I don’t even want to remember about Makarevich. Spoils the breed of Russian Jews, bastard.
    4. Klim2011
      Klim2011 April 12 2014 22: 14
      -1
      Dear, do not write nonsense!
      I quote excerpts from an interview with employees of the Kurchatov Institute who determined the Russian man’s Genome:

      - What are the future plans of the Kurchatov Institute? Russia is a multi-ethnic country, maybe you can decipher other nationalities as well?

      - When we took the Russian man, it was absolutely not an attack against other ethnic groups. Before that, we made a genetic map of Russia. More than 100 ethnic groups live on the territory of the Russian Federation, and the largest ethnic group in terms of number is Russian people. The second ethnos is Tatars, after that - Ukrainians and so on. Therefore, the largest ethnic group in the territory of the Russian Federation was chosen. I do not want this to be perceived somehow nationalistically. Maybe the next genome will be from the Tatars ethnic group or from another ethnic group.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich April 12 2014 22: 38
        +9
        I am not considering data from different institutions about the genome. If we take it this way, then the genome of all "FAVORITE" Americans will slide down to some Irishman or an Englishman (with which I agree more, given the policy aimed at destroying a certain part of the world's population, that is, us).
        My stupidity consists only in the fact that I do not want to be Westernized 3,14 and I want to live the way I want, and not how the most democratic "comrades" from the West will tell me ...
        And the data of the Kurchatov Institute are not an axiom .. The axiom will be finding me and you on different sides of the barricades in case of conflict. And I won’t use it possible to put a bullet in your forehead as a traitor soldier drinks
        Russians do not subscribe to the flag of 3,14 daras !!!
        1. Saratovets
          Saratovets April 12 2014 22: 39
          +2
          drinks Glory to Russia!
        2. Klim2011
          Klim2011 April 13 2014 00: 06
          +2
          laughing Comrade relax, the site is buggy)) replied to this post:
          Riperbahn (2) Today, 21:43 PM
          You are all wrong. There are no real Russians in Russia. All the so-called Russians are mostly Tatars, Bashkirs, Chuvashs, Little Russians, Jews. Just - Russian - is a state of mind. You can minus it, but Russian today is not a nationality - it is a NATION. This is what you consider yourself. Maybe he said clumsily. I myself am half Tatar.

          And the answer was yours.
      2. Samurai3X
        Samurai3X April 12 2014 23: 59
        +4
        You are not talking about the RUSSIAN genome, but about the SLAVAN genome ...
        And in general, any person who speaks Russian from childhood already belongs to the Russian Civilization. Of course, sometimes nonsense can be heard from this person’s mouth, he may not be for justice, but he will not cease to be at least partially Russian.
      3. Walk
        Walk April 13 2014 00: 09
        +2
        Well, there is no such nation - Ukrainians. Read the history, and, in order not to get stuck, not by Russian authors, but, for example, by French authors of the 17-18th century. The Cossacks, in their opinion, were fugitive Russian serfs. The word "Ukraine" was not named in principle. Cossacks, including, were also from the archers. What ethnic group are Ukrainians? The word itself was invented in the 19th century. How can the genome of an inhabitant of, say, Tver differ from his distant ancestor who fled to the empty lands? And who are the Tatars? I know the Mongols, I know the Turks, and the Tatars are the same collected genotype of the Turkic peoples. And since when did we have the Institute named after PHYSICS Kurchatov, which deals with issues of the origin of races?
      4. tantalum
        tantalum April 13 2014 01: 34
        +1
        I wonder how they determined that they "took a Russian man" by his last name, by external signs, or what? The same goes for the second ethnic group, the Tatars. After the revolution, for example, almost all Bulgarians (according to some sources there were no less than Tatars) were recorded as Tatars. So whose genome will be determined? In my opinion, Russianness is not in the column of nationality and not in the surname, but in relation to Russia, to the language, to the history of the mother land. And if the attitude towards Russia is Russian, then it does not matter at all what the person has in the column nationality, what languages ​​he still speaks and in what gods he believes. And now the question: were ALL who took part in the march in Moscow in support of the Maidan were Jews or ukrobanderovtsy? And can they be called Russians?
    5. Orang
      Orang April 12 2014 22: 34
      +4
      Well you wrapped up. And the Tatars, respectively, are Russian. We conducted research, the Russian gene pool is quite clean, the percentage of Turks and Finno-Finns is not as large as is commonly believed.
      I'm also not 100% Russian by blood, if that.
      1. AVIATOR36662
        AVIATOR36662 April 13 2014 00: 02
        0
        If anything, then you have to be friends with science! Both with history and with genetics (which at one time they called "the corrupt girl of capitalism"). Then you would not be very brave to beat yourself in the chest with the words that you are 100% Russian. one literate person will not allow himself this. And literacy always needs to be improved.
    6. The comment was deleted.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich April 12 2014 22: 56
        +10
        Tatars, Mongols, Russians, Belorussians, Udmurts, Finno-Ugrians ... All this is about nationality. Understand one thing - we are all one - nation, dialect, language, preferences. Everything refers to one PEOPLE living in a certain territory. Tell the Americans under threat that they are different, they will say no, we are one nation - the Americans! What prevents us from treating ourselves like that ??? The disadvantage that "comrades" from the West instill in us, who are interested in our low self-esteem. Only I understand this, and some "partners" do not want to!
        Therefore, I am primarily RUSSIAN, and then Belarusian or Ukrainian or Finno-Ugric ...
    7. not main
      not main April 12 2014 23: 06
      +2
      Quote: Riperbahn
      There are no real Russians in Russia.

      No need to lie! The real RUSSIAN majority! Otherwise, there would be no RUSSIA! I have parents and their parents, etc. ALL RUSSIAN!
      1. Riperbahn
        Riperbahn April 13 2014 13: 31
        +1
        There are Russians by blood. There are Russians in spirit. And not necessarily some coincide with others. Mom s. Yaroslavl remote places, father - Tatar. I have been living in Murmansk all my life. Who I am by nationality - I do not care. In spirit, I belong to the great NATION - Russian. I repeat again. There are nationalities, but there is a NATION. And any Dargin or Ossetian or Ingush can give one hundred points ahead of the nation to any Makaronych, Sokurov or Akhuydzhakova in terms of self-identification.
    8. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 April 12 2014 23: 49
      +1
      "If anyone climbed up to me, so he is a Tatar" - from Vysotsky. And the great Russian-Tatar Horde was this strong! Unity! Therefore, all of Europe was conquered in due time by the Russian-Tatar Horde. Until now, poor fellows are jittery! And the genotype is only strengthened by the combination of different nationalities! It seems that we are again moving towards unity!
      1. ermolai
        ermolai April 13 2014 07: 35
        0
        the horde was TARTAR! STILL WHITE, GOLD, STILL THERE, BUT NEVER THERE WAS TATAR MORE THAN MONGOLSKAYA, MONGOLS IN GENERAL IN LIFE THE SHEPHERDS CATTLE BODIES AND THEY ARE FREEWENTLY ALL THE LIFE OF LIFE IS SUCH AS I HAVE IT ABOUT MAYBE WITH JEWS) AFTER THE 17TH, AND UKRAINE ALSO THEIR WORK-CARE
  26. psychologist
    psychologist April 12 2014 21: 43
    +4
    they said - we won’t leave our own !! the time will come and the Nazis and their patrons will be responsible for everything! people know the truth !! just patience will end soon!
  27. 51064
    51064 April 12 2014 21: 45
    +5
    Quote: andrei332809
    gentlemen-comrades ... maybe we already hang the USSR flag over the Kremlin? what is the cat to pull for different places?

    It’s too early to start with capitalism, at least in the Chinese opportunistic manner smile
    1. 225chay
      225chay April 12 2014 22: 55
      0
      Quote: 51064
      Quote: andrei332809
      gentlemen-comrades ... maybe we already hang the USSR flag over the Kremlin? what is the cat to pull for different places?


      It’s too early to start with capitalism, at least in the Chinese opportunistic manner smile


      And with an unlimited oligarchy ...
      and then it is necessary to finally solve the issue of bruised and snickering bureaucracy!
      Hang, or drown?
      1. Barmal
        Barmal April 13 2014 02: 57
        0
        Quote: 225chay
        Hang, or drown?



        yes, good you. Of course, civil war strengthens. The Civil War and Intervention, the execution of the Romanovs and all the other joys of the revolution were not enough for us. Personally for my grandchildren, I do not plan a Civil War. Any other war can be understood, except civil war. People can give such advice either by misunderstanding or intentionally.
    2. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 April 13 2014 00: 12
      0
      China, in fact, grew economically only when it abandoned socialist levers in the economy! And it started at all with the disbandment of collective farms! Then the output of agricultural products grew in China three times and only then did the famine in the country cease.
  28. valersvet
    valersvet April 12 2014 21: 46
    +1
    To be honest, I would like to strike such a partner, however, they say that it is not constructive and, first of all, we should improve our positions in life, science, economics, etc.
  29. Valkh
    Valkh April 12 2014 21: 48
    +3
    Quote: Eydolon
    Wasser, why do you need Slovenia?


    Biscuit !!! - to you, for your efforts !!! laughing
  30. 51064
    51064 April 12 2014 21: 49
    +3
    Quote: mongoose
    on ukroin there is no nationalism due to the lack of a nation! what there is called differently, namely, national socialism

    I don’t remember something that banderlogs would have, i.e. primates, there has ever been a problem with the national question.
  31. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever April 12 2014 22: 10
    -5
    In my opinion, such "famous publicists and political scientists" as Anatoly Wasserman are primitive and not modern. He seems to be telling the truth. but somehow boring. Such journalism also contributed to the collapse of the USSR. I haven’t read any living and acutely topical articles from him yet. In a word - faceless, and therefore his articles are the same. According to the principle "what should be said" - and if necessary. I'll say something else tomorrow. I love other publicists and journalists. one thing is good that different people are printed here - there is someone to read without him
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 April 12 2014 22: 58
      -4
      I agree with you.
      Onotole - like a weather vane, where the breeze blows, there he is.
      what the people at the moment like, he writes. often without analysis and arguments.
      1. Black
        Black April 12 2014 23: 37
        0
        Quote: tokin1959
        often without analysis and arguments.


        Yes ... It is he, undoubtedly, "giving a blunder", if without these very ... ARGKmentov .... good
    2. Black
      Black April 12 2014 23: 07
      +3
      Quote: Tanya-umunechka
      Tanechka-clever

      .... today a total dictation has thundered ... Against its background, share, what is "clever" ?? repeat
      1. tokin1959
        tokin1959 April 12 2014 23: 17
        -2
        and what is "Cheny"? smoked? or labeled? or NodouCheny himself?
        1. Apollo
          Apollo April 12 2014 23: 27
          -2
          Quote: tokin1959
          and what is "Cheny"? smoked? or labeled? or NodouCheny himself?


          He may want to remain incognito. And you immediately as an investigator during interrogation. laughing
        2. Black
          Black April 12 2014 23: 29
          0
          Quote: tokin1959
          and what is "Cheny"


          It's simple.
          In childhood, adults called me (on behalf of) Gray (come here, where are you?) !!!
          And I wanted to be black, I replied that I was not gray, but BLACK, without pronouncing "r" ... So, "drove" stuck to all childhood (and not only) ... fellow

          The girl, however, also had the right to mistakes in the name (if consciously). I take the claim back.
        3. Black
          Black April 12 2014 23: 34
          +1
          Quote: tokin1959
          or myself noted


          I have enough if you are about the degree of scholarship.
          However, there is something to work on .... The dictation was written today in "3." Punctuation is lame.
          1. tokin1959
            tokin1959 April 13 2014 00: 03
            -4
            "nodouCheny" - I am writing from a mobile phone, I was mistaken, so what? are you the smartest here?
            do you write dictations without errors? well done. What grade are you in?
            1. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru April 13 2014 05: 41
              +1
              Quote: tokin1959
              wrong, so what? are you the smartest here
              do you write dictations without errors?

              After a fight, fist waving: not a thing! The comrade participated in the dictation and earned a POSITIVE rating and does not trump his proletarian origin.
              Quote: tokin1959
              well done. What grade are you in?

              "It's never too late to learn" (popular wisdom).
    3. yur
      yur April 12 2014 23: 31
      +5
      Quote: Tanya-umunechka
      In my opinion - such "famous publicists and political scientists" as Anatoly Wasserman
      Yes, Anatoly Wasserman is a well-known publicist and political scientist, and without any quotation marks, in contrast to the "clever" ones.
      1. tokin1959
        tokin1959 April 13 2014 00: 05
        -5
        the opinions of famous publicists and political scientists may not always be correct.
        if you don’t have an opinion, look into the mouth of any Wasserman.
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru April 13 2014 05: 51
          +1
          Quote: tokin1959
          if there is no opinion ...

          Regarding 2x2 = 4, do you also have a dissenting opinion?
          Quote: tokin1959
          ... look into the mouth of every Wasserman.

          It’s always useful to listen to an intelligent person (this does not apply to you), and you don’t have to look in your mouth (is this your personal method of assimilating information?).
          1. tokin1959
            tokin1959 April 13 2014 08: 57
            -3
            1. It's not about math
            2. you like Wassermans - listen, but don’t tell me whether to consider his opinion or not.
            3. because of a grammatical error, to make a conclusion about the social origin of someone - the method of stupid people - this applies directly to you.
            4 about the method of assimilation of information - I would say something of my own rather than turning over my phrase - but you're not very smart, so study, write dictations, boy, maybe this will help you, but I'm not sure.
            1. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru April 13 2014 09: 59
              +2
              Quote: tokin1959
              but you're not very smart

              The fact that you have learned to count to four is good.
              Quote: tokin1959
              what would you say

              And do not be offended if I also answer you with the verses of Vladimir Mayakovsky?
  32. 51064
    51064 April 12 2014 22: 12
    +1
    Meanwhile, according to the Ukrainian media in Kramatorsk Donetsk (Republic?), A shootout has just taken place near the regional police department. Perhaps there are wounded and killed. I think the chances of aggravating the situation have grown. Yarosh just made a statement - pravoseki rush into battle.
  33. ambiorix
    ambiorix April 12 2014 22: 14
    +5
    Attention!! infa appeared that Poroshenko demands to inflict airstrikes on the nests of "separatists".
    Russian air defense at the borders cannot be allowed to do this!
    1. Saratovets
      Saratovets April 12 2014 22: 19
      +7
      He can demand anything until all the information is intelligible, you need to wait for confirmation.
      I can’t fall asleep again, it feels like everything is happening in a neighboring city, I’m worried about Ours ... I’ll go 100 grams to drink for their health ... it’s more likely that it’s a denouement, so that it would become clear that the GDP was conceived, otherwise I’ll go crazy .. .
      1. ambiorix
        ambiorix April 12 2014 22: 22
        +2
        Do not worry. You are just a witness to historical events.
    2. Little Muck
      Little Muck April 12 2014 22: 22
      +2
      Well, this is definitely desa. Can you imagine what airstrike is?
      Here they assaulted Lugansk, and now airstrike. Sorry but this is nonsense.
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 April 12 2014 22: 42
        +5
        They probably understand that in this case, they MUST wait "THERE" - Hitler and Bander, so that they personally "shake hands" ...
    3. tokin1959
      tokin1959 April 12 2014 23: 22
      +2
      and yet, until recently, it seemed to Powder that the victory was so close, that it was presidential happiness — they drank Ukraine and listen to the American hosts, but everything went wrong as they dreamed of. the people are not, as they believed.
      and they would have dropped an atomic bomb on the "separatists" if they had one.
    4. Black
      Black April 12 2014 23: 42
      +1
      Quote: ambiorix
      Poroshenko requires air strikes


      And where is his ... chocolate factory? He is not afraid that they will miss and fly to the caramel shop?
    5. family tree
      family tree April 12 2014 23: 58
      +1
      Quote: ambiorix
      Poroshenko demands to inflict air strikes on the nests of "separatists".

      And will he sit at the helm? Kamikaze pancake
  34. Ossetian
    Ossetian April 12 2014 22: 14
    +18
    I am Ossetian, but I live in the RUSSIAN WORLD.
    The worst thing is to divide people by nationality.
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 April 12 2014 22: 59
      +4
      shared by those who want to rule.
      divide and rule.
    2. Black
      Black April 12 2014 23: 25
      +6
      Quote: Ossetian
      The worst thing is to divide people by nationality.


      It depends on what ....
      Separating people by nationality in order to talk about who is smarter, "first", drunker, and so on ... is not just stupid, as a rule it leads to "ziks", and as a result, to Nuremberg ...
      It is necessary to divide in order to hear national tales, so that the language and everything connected with it do not disappear.
      It’s great that we are different ...
      Our "multilingualism", different colors of hair and shape of noses did not prevent us from overthrowing fascism in 45.
    3. Turkir
      Turkir April 13 2014 09: 20
      +1
      The word I share has a second meaning: I share your opinion, that is, I agree with you. wink
  35. DimDimych
    DimDimych April 12 2014 22: 20
    +15
    «Russians do not abandon their! "
    1. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin April 13 2014 05: 33
      +1
      “Russians do not abandon their own!”

      Stars do not fade over the Kremlin, Putin never sleeps .........
  36. 51064
    51064 April 12 2014 22: 21
    +5
    Quote: Ossetian
    The worst thing is to divide people by nationality.

    I fully support it. And in Russia, all this nationalist idiot, started by the mighty of the world, is "not needed for a hundred years" together with Crimea, South-Eastern Ukraine, and so on. I would always like to see a friendly and stable state in Ukraine, where people of all nationalities and religions live well and better than ours. I have many acquaintances - Ukrainians, Jews, Americans, Germans, Kazakhs, Chechens, and two Ossetians - father and son, all are very good people.
  37. Kibl
    Kibl April 12 2014 22: 23
    +8
    The current Kiev junta, in view of the lack of a brain, does not understand, or does not specifically understand, that the country is in full anus. Otherwise, this is a common diagnosis in our Baltic countries, but not in such a difficult form! They hit us and entered into all sorts of things there the EU and NATO will live like fat in cocoa! But no, we were injected 10 years ago, now they are planting Ukraine, but there will be no way out! All these EU and other mura-dead-end branch of development! So it turns out that without Russia its nearest neighbors kirdyk! WELCOME TO USSR!
    1. Linas
      Linas April 12 2014 23: 07
      +6
      The junta understands everything perfectly. They are by no means fools. Scoundrels and traitors to their people - yes, but not fools. The masses of people were bullied - yes, they rewrote history and hammered it into the heads of ordinary people for 20 years - yes, the Ukrainian media carry outright nonsense - yes, but the junta understands everything perfectly. It is not clear where they are going to hide?
  38. 51064
    51064 April 12 2014 22: 24
    +3
    Quote: ambiorix
    Attention!! infa appeared that Poroshenko demands to inflict airstrikes on the nests of "separatists".
    Russian air defense at the borders cannot be allowed to do this!

    Even if he is required, he will not be given, not everyone is crazy. "Deza" is likely.
  39. fly fishing
    fly fishing April 12 2014 22: 25
    +2
    So, not everything is lost in Ukraine and the country will live, but the test of strength will have to pass a tough one. Time is the best judge and best doctor.
    in Ukraine is still not so bad that the overthrow of the junta suddenly became a vital necessity
    negative
    Even without questions, stripping will be required. am
  40. Karabin
    Karabin April 12 2014 22: 27
    +4
    In general, today I can only hope that the obvious lack of economic pressure from Russia will be compensated by some other, not economic, but, perhaps, humanitarian means.

    Here is one of the "humanitarian supplies". From an interview with Lavrov on "Sunday evening":All external players, including Washington and Brussels, must convince the current Kiev authorities that they need to realize their responsibility and invite the whole of Ukraine for national dialogue, all regions should be represented. We have already stated that for this process it would be optimal to invite to this event with the participation of the USA, Russia and the European Union not only representatives of the current authorities in Kiev, but also representatives of other regions, in particular the South-East. Given the confusion that is taking place there and the fact that governors in a number of regions of the Southeast are appointed by this government and raise big questions among the population, probably the best criterion at this stage would be participation in the presidential race. There are more than twenty participants, of course, but, probably, several leading candidates by ratings and geographical location could be identified.

    Yesterday we read the decision made by the governing body Party of Regionsin which they spoke out for participating in such a process, expressed their intention delegate there his candidate M.M.Dobkin and formulated their substantive proposals, including the Russian language as the second state, budget policy (they want to be given more independence in the management of taxes that they collect on their territory), decentralization in the form of direct election of legislative assemblies and governors. There is no word "federalization"and no one clings to him. As they used to say, "the main thing is not checkers, but so that you can go." The essence of these requirements is great authority for the regions.

    If I understood Lavrov correctly, Russia is again going to step on the same rake, in the form of Dobkin and PR. Apparently throwing "both yours and ours" from Yanukovych was not enough. What is blindness? But it's strange not to notice Russian flags over Luhansk and Donetsk and federalization demands. Why are we betting on those who have already spat in Russia and the Russians in Ukraine? Why are those who really oppose the junta, and do not adjust to it in order to preserve crumbs of their political influence, are taken out of the brackets of the future negotiation process? I do not want this "humanitarian aid" to reach the defenders of the South-East.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 12 2014 23: 12
      +1
      Quote: Karabin
      Why are those who really oppose the junta, and do not adapt to it, to keep the crumbs of their political influence out of the brackets of the future negotiation process?

      Because the "legitimate government" declared that negotiations are trembling to be conducted only with "legitimate representatives"! And the EU and the US supported them! Lavrov will have to fight three! I really hope that he will take Yanukovych with him! Then let Europe tell him straight in the face on what grounds they do not recognize him as legitimate! And in what position then all will be!
      The "authorities" need to "calm down" everyone's nose before negotiations! Until the 17th! So that you can say "And we are all right. We ourselves agreed!" But ours need to hold out until the 17th in order to thwart their plans!
    2. Black
      Black April 12 2014 23: 12
      +3
      Quote: Karabin
      If I understood Lavrov correctly, Russia is again going to step on the same rake, in the form of Dobkin and PR


      Politics is the art of the possible ...
      While staplers are not ready to see anyone at all in negotiations, except for Bandera.
      However, Dobkin (if only Kernes had been sent there) is the hell that Kernes is not sweeter.
    3. Barmal
      Barmal April 13 2014 03: 25
      0
      there is much that does not speak in favor of the protesters in the South-East for joining Russia or for the Russian armed forces to enter the territory of Ukraine. The simplest thing that is easy to read with a half-kick is that now it has become "profitable" to go to Russia. This is the economic decision of the people. What can not be said about the Crimeans. Crimea has been striving for homeland for more than 20 years. And made this desire to return to the referendum. And now it is enough to send troops and Russia will become a de facto occupier for many in Ukraine who do not want to unite with Russia. A separate republic within Ukraine is the first step along the path of Crimea. And a referendum to help everyone in the South-East. Change the administrative division of Ukraine to a federal one, and then the whole situation will be different. The independent existence of the South-East is more productive for all Russians on both sides of the border.

      The problem, as always, is the same: how to calculate it correctly. At the referendum - votes. There are a lot of technologies. And not all of them are Russian.
  41. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 April 12 2014 22: 29
    +4
    Sergg RU Our brothers are in the South-East of Ukraine, and the rest went to hell to the west.

    I totally agree with you, let them "EURO-INTEGRATE".
    You have to be a round idiot, that threatening, humiliating, insulting, killing people of the whole region that feeds them - wonder why they want "independence", and why are they looking towards Russia?
  42. fly fishing
    fly fishing April 12 2014 22: 32
    +4
    They threw it until recently, when the country was ruled by a tagged and drunk. It was a shame for the country, for the people. Honestly, even towards GDP, hostility was at first. But now he has changed his views. The country is rising from its knees!
  43. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 12 2014 22: 33
    +4
    Maidanuty, using army units to suppress protests of the population, will open the Pandora's box. They will be swept away by a wave of popular anger, of course, with our help.
  44. Saratovets
    Saratovets April 12 2014 22: 37
    +1
    Actually, the statements of the banderlogs are getting tougher, a lot can happen tonight, according to the logic of events ... otherwise they will miss the situation. If pravoseki give free rein there will be a massacre, God forbid
  45. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx April 12 2014 22: 41
    +2
    The fact is that now the most difficult stage in Ukraine has begun and it is difficult to predict which way the setup will sway, one thing is for sure at the exit everything will look different and that Ukraine we know will not be there anymore, we certainly caught our own, but the question can be posed and so whether RUSSIA will give them the opportunity to catch something else or we will still break the setup, I think we will find out soon!
  46. Sergg
    Sergg April 12 2014 22: 46
    +14
    repost for understanding


    A huge request to correct those who use the words "pro-Russian" and "seperatists", especially when pro-fascist ukroSMI is used. This is an obvious substitution of concepts: they themselves write that they are against the fascists, against the Banderaites. This means that the forces are anti-fascist and anti-Bandera!
    And the very word "pro-Russian" is fundamentally different from the word "pro-Russian", for example. One relates to the neighboring state, and the other to the spirit and native land.

    Do not give the enemy the pleasure of imposing us their vile vocabulary.

    Once again on behalf of all Donetsk residents:
    We are not separatists and not pro-Russian!
    We are Russians, anti-fascists and anti-Bendera!

    (And the Ukrainians ... so they are also Russian, they just forgot and do not want to remember their roots and covenants of their ancestors)
    1. Saratovets
      Saratovets April 12 2014 23: 12
      +1
      BTW! who knows how to write and post an article on this topic! Sergg highlighted a very important problem, did not think about it before, and you are one hundred percent right!
  47. Sergg
    Sergg April 12 2014 22: 52
    +5
    I look at the Donbass and I see there really is a Russian movement, and you know some thought is drilling, but are we Russian in Russia? I do not see in Russia support for the liberation movement in eastern Ukraine.

    And today, on REN TV, in the evening news, in general, they snapped about this:
    "What should the Kremlin do now, because it condemned the actions in the center of Kiev, and now (according to REN TV) the same thing is happening in the east of Ukraine." This is disgusting REN TV how to understand? How can you confuse the manifestations of fascism in Kiev and the liberation struggle against fascism in Donetsk?
    1. Anatolich
      Anatolich April 12 2014 23: 30
      +1
      What happened on the Maidan in Kiev is the reason. And what is happening in the SE is a consequence of what was happening on the Maidan. They say nonsense about rent, Russia warned the junta about the consequences, they didn’t listen, and so they’ll get at all. They now have two ways: 1) To drown SE in the blood, but this, too, is fraught with worse consequences, no one will forgive them for this. 2) To give way to the protesters, but even this is impossible for them. Most likely they will decide on the power option.
      1. DimychDV
        DimychDV April 13 2014 10: 14
        0
        Niii, not so. The reason is that it’s still on the suite [damned greetings of Muscovy]! And Maidan broke out. and after this investigation - the investigation flared up on SE.
        Soon, you see, gradually I’m remembering my move ...
    2. yur
      yur April 12 2014 23: 50
      0
      Quote: Sergg
      disgusting REN TV how to understand? How can one confuse the manifestations of fascism in Kiev and the liberation struggle against fascism in Donetsk?
      It can be even easier. In Kiev, there were NOT legal actions against the LEGAL government, and in Donetsk there is a LEGAL struggle against the NOT legal authorities in Kiev today.
      1. Walk
        Walk April 13 2014 00: 21
        0
        REN TV - liberoid mouthpiece. I stopped watching them for a long time, because their main leitmotif is that everything has disappeared, corruption is everywhere, soon we will all die. It may be different in other regions, but with us it is.
        1. DimychDV
          DimychDV April 13 2014 10: 10
          0
          Yes, and the third channel too! .. Only some say that we will die soon, while others - that, possibly, tomorrow. And therefore - we live the same way, so let's go spend money on shopping (the list of companies is attached to the advertisement).
    3. Barmal
      Barmal April 13 2014 03: 33
      0
      it is always difficult. The world is not black and white. The world is gray.

      Here, time plays a role. Whoever makes the first mistake is the occupier. VV Putin is mistaken, he will bring in troops first - that means he is an occupier, Kiev will break loose (and it’s always blood), he will call the EU to suppress the Southeast, then VV Putin will not fit into the definition of an invader. If Southeast 20 years ago began to fight for federalization and supported Crimea in this, today they would already have both of them in the Russian Federation. Without a single shot. Southeast lived differently than Crimea. Therefore, such u_y_nya is happening to people.
  48. Nicanor
    Nicanor April 12 2014 22: 56
    +3
    Quote: Chikua
    Power!!!!
    It is true that the Russian anthem was put on such beautiful music!

    You probably haven’t heard the anthem of the Soviet Union ...
  49. Wiruz
    Wiruz April 12 2014 23: 04
    +10
    A. Wasserman: “Russians do not abandon their own!”

    Broadway singers don’t understand the soul Russian Jew laughing
  50. 51064
    51064 April 12 2014 23: 05
    +1
    Quote: Karabin
    If I understood Lavrov correctly, Russia is again going to step on the same rake, in the form of Dobkin and PR. Apparently throwing "both yours and ours" from Yanukovych was not enough. What is blindness? But it's strange not to notice Russian flags over Luhansk and Donetsk and federalization demands. Why are we betting on those who have already spat in Russia and the Russians in Ukraine? Why are those who really oppose the junta, and do not adjust to it in order to preserve crumbs of their political influence, are taken out of the brackets of the future negotiation process?
    You have to work with real people. Well, there are no worthy politicians in power in Ukraine for 23 years (((Yes, he spat in Russia. But he is a Ukrainian and has at least some weight and authority among the population. Russia asks that representatives of the South-East take part in the negotiation process while the opponents are opposing, which was predictable in principle, but I think that any constructive dialogue will not be possible without appropriate representatives, so the opponents will not go anywhere unless the pressure on them weakens. ”In the West and Kiev, it should be understood that the absence of legitimate representatives of the South-East at the talks will create insoluble problems if the process continues on an increasing scale as it happened today. Tomorrow - Sunday, I think the Kiev authorities and the West will have more "headaches", the people will not calm down tomorrow, and accordingly the opposing side will be even more The guys who oppose the Kiev regime really, that is, “on the barricades”, will not be able to effectively participate in the negotiation process, unfortunately yu, well, there are no skills, knowledge and experience to defend state interests, they are not politicians, so you have to dodge (((
    1. Karabin
      Karabin April 12 2014 23: 21
      +1
      Quote: 51064
      You have to work with real people.

      And the Donetsk Republic declared virtual people? So why does Lavrov not notice them? These people are more real than prostitute Dobkin and corrupt PR. And Gubarev? What is not a candidate from Donetsk?
      1. Black
        Black April 12 2014 23: 54
        0
        Quote: Karabin
        And Gubarev? What is not a candidate from Donetsk?

        It won’t come out .... Nobody will sit at a table with a man from the street ....
        The choice here is small. In my opinion, this is Simonenko and Tsarev- it would be the best of the worst ....
        1. Karabin
          Karabin April 13 2014 00: 16
          0
          Quote: Chen
          ..Nobody sits at a table with a man from the street ....

          Then it’s easy to start negotiations, if the position is obviously weak. And she is weak if Dobkin or Tsarev goes. Well, perhaps to merge those who hold buildings in Donetsk and Lugansk under Russian flags.
        2. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. April 13 2014 02: 42
          0
          Simonenko in the President!
        3. Turkir
          Turkir April 13 2014 09: 28
          0
          Tsarev is a dark horse. Whom does he represent and who nominated him at all?
          Никто.
          It is time for the Southeast to understand the Junta wants itself to be legitimacy through rigged elections. Elections cannot be allowed, but Tsarev wants elections, he is a mishandled Cossack.
          The Southeast must DEMAND the release of Gubarev and other children.
          Southeast should hold a referendum.

          REFERENDUM will show whether to hold elections or not.