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Ukrainian TV: armored personnel carriers entered Lugansk

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In Lugansk entered armored personnel carriers. “The military equipment came from Dnepropetrovsk. Where the military vehicles are located, as well as their number and how they will be used, is still unknown,” the Ukrainian TV channel 1 + 1 informed.


The introduction of armored vehicles in Lugansk was caused by the actions of local residents who seized and detained the regional administration of the Security Service of Ukraine from 6 on April 2014, according to ITAR-TASS.

The head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov appointed by the Verkhovna Rada presented an ultimatum to the protesters. They were asked to hand over the buildings of the Security Service of Ukraine through the 48 clock, otherwise Avakov threatened to use the force option to release the building.

In Lugansk, where about a thousand people are blocking the building of the regional department of the SBU, in the morning negotiations with the authorities resumed. People’s Deputy and presidential candidate Sergei Tigipko said that he managed to get into the building and talk to the people who had captured him.

“All the talk about the fact that there are some Russians present is pure fiction,” Tigipko said. “In addition, there are no hostages there.”

From 6 April, pro-Russian rallies are held in Donetsk, Kharkov and Lugansk in eastern Ukraine. Participants require a referendum on the status of their regions. In particular, on April 6, the protesters stormed the building of the SBU office in the Luhansk region. And on April 7 in Kharkov and Donetsk, supporters of federalization announced the creation of the People’s Republic of Kharkov and the Donetsk People’s Republic.
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  1. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 9 2014 14: 45
    +39
    April 9, 2014
    Statement of the People’s Council of the DONETSK PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC
    ANTIMAYDAN Facts Donetsk People's Republic, statement, People’s Council 0 comments

    passport of the Donetsk Republic Statement of the People’s Council of the DONETSK PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC on the representatives of nationalist gangs who illegally occupied state authorities in Ukraine - Turchinov, Yatsenyuk, Nalyvaichenko, etc.

    Recognizing the illegality of the current Kiev junta, which has usurped the governing bodies of Ukraine, the People’s Council of the DONETSK PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC declares the following positions:

    1. We recognize as illegitimate all central authorities in Kiev usurped as a result of an armed coup;

    2. The People’s Council of the DONETSK PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC is considered the only legitimate authority in the territory of the former Donetsk region of the Republic of Ukraine.

    3. The People’s Council of the DONETSK PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC by its decision dismisses all former regional leaders appointed by the Kiev illegitimate authorities, the head of the SBU department in the Donetsk region, the head of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine for the Donetsk region, the prosecutor of the region and the governor;

    4. Until 11 on May 2014, a referendum is organized for residents of the DONETSK PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC on the issue of self-determination;

    5. The People’s Council of the DONETSK PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC requires the illegal authorities of the Republic of Ukraine to extradite Gubarev Pavel, Mikhail Chumachenko, Doni Robert, Alexander Golovin, Dmitry Kuzmenko and other political prisoners who were abducted from the territory of the former Donetsk region;

    6. The People’s Council of the DONETSK PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC requires the illegal authorities of the Republic of Ukraine to withdraw their armed formations from the territory of the DONETSK PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC.

    7. The People’s Council of the DONETSK PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC begins the process of establishing a dialogue on mutually beneficial cooperation with the structures of the Customs Union.

    8. To recognize as illegal and criminal all pro-fascist organizations on the territory of the DONETSK PEOPLES OF THE REPUBLIC.

    9. The DONETSK PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC begins an official dialogue and interaction with the new authorities of neighboring state entities that have left the Republic of Ukraine.

    Adopted at the meeting of the People’s Council of the DONETSK PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC of April 8 2014

    http://antimaydan-ua.com/zayavlenie-narodnogo-soveta-donetskoy-narodnoy-respubli
    ki /
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU April 9 2014 14: 47
      +43
      Appeal to the UN Security Council

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      3. siberalt
        siberalt April 9 2014 18: 02
        -6
        Emotional appeal of the type to the village of grandfather. And who is this "on the knee" letter to the UN lucky? Kill it, but it's not serious.
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU April 9 2014 14: 49
      +51
      Military equipment came from Dnepropetrovsk.


      City six .... the capital of Russian-speaking Russophobes !!! am
      1. jjj
        jjj April 9 2014 14: 55
        +45
        The men have grenade launchers. Skills in handling, presumably, are good. To knock out three or four units, the rest will not turn up. On the other hand, you can try to take trophies. Although, in my opinion, the Libyan experience is preferable here - a pickup truck with a machine gun or a grenade launcher in the back. And taking control of the border with Russia to replenish weapons and ammunition, as well as evacuate people in the event of hostilities
        1. Mitek
          Mitek April 9 2014 15: 01
          +31
          Quote: jjj
          The men have grenade launchers. Skills in handling, presumably, are good. To knock out three or four units, the rest will not turn up. On the other hand, you can try to take trophies. Although, in my opinion, the Libyan experience is preferable here - a pickup truck with a machine gun or a grenade launcher in the back. And taking control of the border with Russia to replenish weapons and ammunition, as well as evacuate people in the event of hostilities

          I think that in the case of firing at Lugansk on a peaceful people there will be no need to take borders under control ... The borders will be much more west.
          1. vostok68
            vostok68 April 9 2014 15: 19
            +19
            It seems that we have no legal borders with Ukraine; we will establish it in fact!
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre April 9 2014 15: 36
              +7
              we will install in fact!
              Depending on the presence of fuel in the column? Or how?
              smile
              1. inkass_98
                inkass_98 April 9 2014 16: 22
                +6
                Quote: abrakadabre
                Depending on the presence of fuel in the column?

                And what, have we already removed tankers from the states? Refuel on the march, to the extent possible - use gas stations and fuel storage facilities on the territory to be freed (with obligatory and polite payment - but in Russian rubles) soldier laughing .
                1. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 April 9 2014 23: 43
                  0
                  Quote: inkass_98
                  with obligatory and polite payment - but in Russian rubles

                  bills (receipts with a seal) must be paid ...
              2. vostok68
                vostok68 April 9 2014 16: 33
                +14
                Something like that!
              3. vostok68
                vostok68 April 9 2014 16: 53
                +2
                Here is the picture I showed above, we will always have fuel and lubricants! And we do not need roads! I personally have never seen a stuck tank!
              4. Vasek
                Vasek April 9 2014 20: 45
                0
                Quote: abrakadabre
                we will install in fact! Depending on the presence of fuel in the column? Or how?

                ... and cartridges in the store.
              5. Trinity
                Trinity April 10 2014 00: 16
                +1
                abrakadabre / Stupid phrase and stupid question. And to Berlin did you get the same, depending on the presence of fuel and lubricants in the convoy? Something with your worldview is scarce.
          2. Arberes
            Arberes April 9 2014 16: 13
            +15
            Quote: Mitek

            I think that in the case of firing at Lugansk on a peaceful people there will be no need to take borders under control ... The borders will be much more west.


            I will not comment on anything! I will just wait for the denouement and hope for the best!
            1. Patriot.ru.
              Patriot.ru. April 9 2014 19: 07
              0
              Somewhere near La = Manche.
          3. Skipper2050
            Skipper2050 April 9 2014 17: 45
            +1
            The most important thing is that our people would do everything as expected.
        2. hawk
          hawk April 9 2014 16: 31
          +4
          "Peacocks you say? ..." Yes, burn them, as in Kiev - their own methods !!!
          1. Cynic
            Cynic April 9 2014 17: 33
            +1
            Quote: hawk
            "Peacocks you say? ..." Yes, burn them, as in Kiev - their own methods !!!

            Well, some kind of madhouse!
            At least someone asked a simple question _ Who in the BTR-ah?
            As a reminder _
            Armored personnel carrier (armored personnel carrier, armored personnel carrier) - an armored fighting vehicle, a carrier designed for the delivery of personnel (riflemen) of motorized rifle (infantry, motorized infantry, landing and so on) units, materiel to the place where the combat mission was carried out and the evacuation of wounded and injured from the battlefield . ...
        3. Havoc
          Havoc April 9 2014 17: 28
          +7
          Quote: jjj
          The men have grenade launchers. Skills in handling, presumably, are good. To knock out three or four units, the rest will not turn up. On the other hand, you can try to take trophies. Although, in my opinion, the Libyan experience is preferable here - a pickup truck with a machine gun or a grenade launcher in the back. And taking control of the border with Russia to replenish weapons and ammunition, as well as evacuate people in the event of hostilities


          With the right defense in the city, but I hope there are officers there, an APC ON THE STREETS OF THE CITY IS A Coffin on wheels.
          1. Ural guys
            Ural guys April 10 2014 08: 43
            0
            Especially since it was shown how to drive this equipment in general, that's for sure!
            The target at the start!
          2. Ural guys
            Ural guys April 10 2014 08: 43
            0
            Especially since it was shown how to drive this equipment in general, that's for sure!
            The target at the start!
      2. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx April 9 2014 14: 58
        +11
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        City six .... the capital of Russian-speaking Russophobes !!!

        good good good
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU April 9 2014 15: 08
          +51
          Quote: Jogan-64
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          City six .... the capital of Russian-speaking Russophobes !!!

          good good good


          When I wrote the article "From now on Dnepropetrovsk is not a Russian city", some were indignant, they say the city had not yet said its word. A month passed, and he said: "I went to kill Russians in the East." And now I don't need to prove that these are just military units, where there are natives of the western, they were simply based near the Dnieper. NETTTTTTT !!!! I'm on the subject: "Russian-speaking Russophobes and Russian-speaking Bandera" the dog ate !!!! Take a look at my account and read the publications ... Lugansk, Donetsk and partly Kharkov retained their identity only due to the maximum industrialism !!! Where it has degraded and where the consumption-entrepreneurial-office plankton dominated, Russian-speaking Russophobes rule !!!
          1. kirieeleyson
            kirieeleyson April 9 2014 15: 30
            +13
            Yulla from the Dnieper, in fact, was the birthplace of "Batkivshchyna". Office-plankton people are inherently amorphous, just to eat when you hear nearby shots or something out of the ordinary. There was once a comrade who, in the end, did not become a comrade - his favorite topic was "I need chtoli the most, I will go to live in Russia, and then let them kill each other." Tryndets kanesh
          2. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx April 9 2014 15: 40
            +5
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            Check my account and read the publications ...

            Even without looking in, I have no doubt in the truth of your words, for I myself have seen and know the same thing. Therefore, I agree with your comment. hi
          3. ed65b
            ed65b April 9 2014 15: 55
            +9
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            When I wrote the article "From now on Dnepropetrovsk is not a Russian city

            alas, you're right. Kolomoisky Suchar brought order.
          4. COLUN
            COLUN April 9 2014 15: 58
            +19
            I absolutely support !!!
            A friend has a wife from Dnepropetrovsk. 6 years living in Russia, gave birth to two Russians. And when the mess started with Crimea - with foam at the mouth I proved that the Crimea is Ukrainian, and we (to put it mildly) are bad uncles. Now when I see her and I want to shout: Heroes of SALA !!! wassat
            1. asar
              asar April 9 2014 18: 21
              0
              For 6 years, therefore, it has not "aired" the head! They were stupid there!
            2. Patriot.ru.
              Patriot.ru. April 9 2014 19: 31
              0
              In my opinion, Dnipropetrovsk is OUR city from now on.
          5. thrower
            thrower April 9 2014 17: 07
            +2
            There is a question.

            I heard this opinion that Donetsk is not supported by other cities in the Southeast due to the fact that the Yanukovych clan left Donetsk.
            This is true ?
          6. svp67
            svp67 April 9 2014 19: 36
            0
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            And I don’t have to prove now

            And you don’t need to prove anything, since your position is not entirely true ... Lugansk, Donetsk, and Kharkiv regions remained more Russified, because historically they were more populated by immigrants from the central Russian provinces, they have a constant opportunity to contact the regions of the Russian Federation ... What the inhabitants of Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye are deprived of ...
            And at the expense of the Dnieper industry ... so short list ...
            SE “Southern Machine-Building Plant named after A.Makarova ”,
            2. Dneprotyazhmash PJSC, Dnepropetrovsk - a unique enterprise with a full production cycle. The plant is one of the main suppliers of equipment for blast furnace and rolling production, car dumper, general and special purpose gearboxes, cast-iron tubing for metro and mines, equipment for mining, metallurgical, and pipe and coke industry. Dneprotyazhmash also manufactures steelmaking, coke and chemical equipment. Handling equipment. Equipment for briquetting. Machines for the production of aluminum. Crushing and grinding equipment. Conveyors, conveyors. Separators Pumps Gearboxes are standard and special. Faucets. Boiler room equipment. Gas and oil transportation equipment. Rocking machines. Iron casting, steel. Common consumption goods.
            3. Dnepropetrovsk Aggregate Plant is one of the leading enterprises for the production of fuel equipment for aviation. The enterprise produces pumps of all operating principles, including more than 50 models of centrifugal pumps (electric and motor - driven by aircraft engines), more than 10 types of axial-plunger pumps operating on mineral and synthetic oils, as well as electric drive motors for pumps and other products. The plant produces hydraulic emulsion equipment for mining equipment, has mastered the production of control and power hydraulics products for mechanized mine supports, roadheaders and others. JSC "DAZ" remains the largest manufacturer of household electric vacuum cleaners of the famous brand "Raketa". The enterprise has organized and is developing a joint production of motorcycle equipment - modern scooters (scooters) and motorcycles with the Chinese firm FUTONG (operating under the license of Honda).
            4.PJSC "EVRAZ - DMZ im. Petrovsky "is one of the leading enterprises in Ukraine for the production of iron, steel and rolled products. The enterprise is located in Dnepropetrovsk (Dnepropetrovsk region). PJSC "EVRAZ - Dnepropetrovsk Metallurgical Plant named after Petrovsky" is a modern industrial enterprise that supplies the market with products: crane rails of all standard sizes, mine rails, rims and axles for automotive engineering, special profiles for loaders, shares for agricultural and mine mechanisms, armor lining ore and coal-grinding mills, channels, corners and other types of rolled metal. Since 2007 PJSC "EVRAZ - DMZ im. Petrovsky "is included in" Evraz. " - one of the world's largest vertically integrated metallurgical and mining companies with assets in Russia, Ukraine, Europe, USA, Canada and South Africa
            4. PJSC "Dneproshina", Dnepropetrovsk, produces truck tires, cars, light trucks, agricultural tires, motor tires, tires for loaders. The company supplies the world market with more than 150 tire models of a wide range of sizes, as well as 2000 items of molded and non-molded rubber products.
          7. svp67
            svp67 April 9 2014 19: 37
            0
            5. Dnepropetrovsk factory of cranes and mechanization equipment mass-produces caterpillar cranes, sells cranes of its own production and well-known manufacturers. The plant is the only manufacturer in Ukraine and the CIS of crawler cranes MK-25.01. In addition, the plant produces automobile cranes, winches, rigging equipment, crane equipment, spare parts for tower cranes, and special technological trolleys.
            Gearboxes, non-standard equipment, metal structures.
            6. LLC Dnepropetrovsk Combine Plant manufactures Crystal beet harvesters, other harvesting and harvesting equipment, disk cultivators KD-4,2; KD-6, heavy disc harrows and is also upgrading previously released equipment.
            7. Dneproagromash CJSC, Dnepropetrovsk produces agricultural machines: cultivators, harrows, couplings, cultivators, field rollers, plows, combined units, fertilizer sprinklers
            8. LLC "Dnepropetrovsk plant" Prodmash "is an industrial enterprise of food machine-building, produces mill equipment, hulling and grinding machines, sieves, cloths, equipment for the production of cereals and animal feed. In addition, the company has created a section for non-standard products and is intensively developing the production of metal "anti-vandal" outdoor furniture prodmashdnepr.com. The range of outdoor furniture includes benches with backs, without backs, double benches, trash cans made of perforated metal, trash cans made of metal stripes, street lamps, as well as bases for tables and chairs made of metal. All furniture is of European design and excellent quality. It costs 4 times cheaper than its Italian counterparts.
            9. The modern factory for the production of new generation starter batteries of PJSC VESTA-Dnepr was commissioned in December 2005 in Dnepropetrovsk. The plant is the parent company of the VESTA International Scientific and Industrial Corporation (Accumulating Wind Energy Solar Technologies). PJSC VESTA-Dnepr Plant produces starter batteries that belong to the “maintenance free” class (PREMIUM group - TM VESTA, TM FORSE; Standard group - TM ISTOK and others) batteries with a capacity of 38 to 225 Ah, with high technical and operational characteristics for normal and severe operating conditions.
            Here is a more complete list ... http: //dnepropetrovsk.ukr-prom.com/? Page = 4
            So there are enough proletarians in that region. Apparently the reason for their passivity in something else. But the other thing is that still these enterprises continue to work and people receive salaries, but soon big changes are possible, since a very large part of them are tied to Russia ... and if they start introducing European standards, then we'll see. ..
          8. vitamin ky
            vitamin ky April 11 2014 02: 29
            0
            Unfortunately, THIS IS SO !!!!!!!!!! - the former once when the USSR was the engine of rocket science, mechanical engineering, and other other things, now a metropolis of white-collar workers who use money carriers of all caliber and buy sell Chinese consumer goods - I’m ashamed to be ashamed of my city
      3. solaco
        solaco April 9 2014 15: 04
        +15
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Military equipment came from Dnepropetrovsk.


        City six .... the capital of Russian-speaking Russophobes !!! am

        I would refer Zaporozhye to this rank ... wassat
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU April 9 2014 15: 13
          +7
          Quote: solaco
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Military equipment came from Dnepropetrovsk.


          City six .... the capital of Russian-speaking Russophobes !!! am

          I would refer Zaporozhye to this rank ... wassat


          I agree, even though this is my native land crying But I think that in Zaporozhye all enterprises simply did not start. But the ball is reigning there - the middle business is strange. Therefore, Russophobia. Zaporozhye partly gets out of my theory of industry currelation and Russophobia. Perhaps the proximity of Dnepropetrovsk is to blame, where, apart from Yuzhmash, nothing big is left, there are "bigwigs" all around
          1. hawk
            hawk April 9 2014 16: 37
            +2
            There is also an enterprise "Pribor" in Zaporozhye, tied to our defense industry.
          2. svp67
            svp67 April 9 2014 23: 58
            0
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            Zaporozhye is partially knocked out of my theory of the correlation of industry and Russophobia.
            It’s also getting out, as the reasons for all the events are somewhat different ...
          3. svp67
            svp67 April 10 2014 00: 00
            0
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            Perhaps the proximity of Dnepropetrovsk is to blame, where, apart from Yuzhmash, nothing big is left, there are "bigwigs" all around
            AK is still Maidan, big everything is Ukrainian ...
        2. COLUN
          COLUN April 9 2014 16: 00
          +6
          Yes, and with Odessa, some kind of crap. The brown plague is visible ...
      4. Sapper
        Sapper April 9 2014 15: 07
        +4
        You will soon have nothing to eat! You have already thrown rams on the Maidan, the oligarchs are in power again!
      5. Sergg
        Sergg April 9 2014 15: 07
        +27
        City six .... the capital of Russian-speaking Russophobes !!!


        Dear, I'm not minus you, well, why did you write like that?

        Today in the same Dnepropetrovsk policemen went to the service with St. George ribbons. If the equipment came from Dnepropetrovsk, then this does not mean that the people there were accompanying her, this is certainly not Donetsk and not Lugansk, but the protest sentiments there are also growing, it is also not Kiev and Vinnitsa.

        It is impossible to write so, to cause hostility between the eastern regions of Ukraine.
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU April 9 2014 15: 14
          +4
          Quote: Sergg
          City six .... the capital of Russian-speaking Russophobes !!!


          Dear, I'm not minus you, well, why did you write like that?

          Today in the same Dnepropetrovsk policemen went to the service with St. George ribbons. If the equipment came from Dnepropetrovsk, then this does not mean that the people there were accompanying her, this is certainly not Donetsk and not Lugansk, but the protest sentiments there are also growing, it is also not Kiev and Vinnitsa.

          Read my post above

          It is impossible to write so, to cause hostility between the eastern regions of Ukraine.



          Read my post above
          1. garlik
            garlik April 9 2014 15: 57
            +5
            Nevsky control yourself
      6. cheega69
        cheega69 April 9 2014 15: 14
        +5
        The estate of a woman with a scythe.
      7. Tersky
        Tersky April 9 2014 15: 19
        +15
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Military equipment came from Dnepropetrovsk.

        Everything needs to be done so that she does not leave Lugansk, but quietly burns out on its streets.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 9 2014 18: 30
          +3
          Quote: Tersky
          Everything needs to be done so that she does not leave Lugansk, but quietly burns out on its streets.
          It is necessary to do everything so that she would take the PEACEFUL path to those who are now defending their rights in the East of Ukraine, this would be a blow to the authorities, from which she has definitely not recovered, but to burn is not a tricky thing, only this is a war, of all against all without winners ...
          1. Little Muck
            Little Muck April 9 2014 19: 03
            +2
            I think that scumbags of the devotees were put in these APCs. So you have to burn.
        2. lg41
          lg41 April 9 2014 18: 59
          +5
          In Lugansk, to mobilize the population, it is necessary to use the propaganda machines of various parties as mobile loud-speaking sources of information. Many people simply do not know what is going on. Radio, TV, Ukrainian sites have long received American money for their work.
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      9. Waroc
        Waroc April 9 2014 15: 44
        +5
        You turned out to be right ... And we read the article, remember ... And then it really was perceived with bewilderment ...
      10. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 9 2014 16: 01
        +6
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        City six .... the capital of Russian-speaking Russophobes !!!

        There are normal people there too! It’s a pity that a little.
        1. brelok
          brelok April 9 2014 16: 34
          +5
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          There are normal people there too! It’s a pity that a little.

          You're right! Even in Lviv, the mass of dissatisfied and the spring is compressed ...
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      12. Interface
        Interface April 9 2014 17: 01
        +1
        Lugansk entered armored personnel carriers

        Oh really? And how not stalled!
        1. Trinity
          Trinity April 10 2014 00: 33
          0
          I saw a video on the internet where a column of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles was going to Donetsk. There, one BMP bag dragged another BMP bag on cables. In the village, people laughed at it. Although such a technique will also be dangerous for the Donetsk team. armaments can be used against the entrenched as a bunker.
      13. 311ove
        311ove April 9 2014 17: 26
        +1
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        City of Six
        Not well, there are all sorts of things ...... And, of course, it’s a shame of course, but it was not in vain that they called him Dneprozh. recourse crying
      14. allexx83
        allexx83 April 9 2014 23: 29
        0
        And the rate of Beni Kolomoisky. am
    3. Civil
      Civil April 9 2014 14: 49
      +30
      For something worthwhile to happen there, you need at least one military unit to go over to the southeast ...
      1. zanoza
        zanoza April 9 2014 15: 23
        +13
        Quote: Civil
        To get something worthwhile there, you need ....

        The permanent population of Lugansk region is 2 233 300 people, including urban population - 1 938 143 people (86,78%), rural - 295 157 people (13,22%).
        It turns out that 5-10 thousand. of protesters - there will be a representation and mass character of Malov. The population is waiting, maybe supporting, but sitting at home. Deputies, the head of the city - hid or fled. Betrayed the people.
        Inaudible what is happening in other cities of the region:
        1 Lugansk 425 848 people.
        2 Alchevsk 110 500
        3 Severodonetsk 109 466
        4 Lysychansk 104 314
        5 Red Beam 82 765
        6 Stakhanov 77 593
        7 Sverdlovsk 65 276
        8 Rubezhnoe 59 900
        9 Anthracite 54 640
        10 Rovenki 47 852
        11 Bryanka 47 512
        12 Krasnodon 44 283
        I hope that "a spark will ignite a flame!"
        1. Niki
          Niki April 9 2014 16: 04
          +1
          According to the statements of the Khuntiv bandrelogs, block posts have been established at all long-distance posts. You can get there, but not by public transport. In addition, there are confirmed messages that block not only television, but the Internet too.

          In my humble opinion, a tusnyak, like Maidan, is feasible only with the participation of the unemployed under the leadership of activists. The percentage of unemployed from the indicated total figures of the entire population is noticeably lower than in the western regions. The last Maidan was the second in a row, i.e. already had experience and the social base of the protest in the years between the first and second maidan became more suitable (they began to live there much worse). All this opinion is confirmed by yesterday's movie Confrontation by vesti.ru
        2. thrower
          thrower April 9 2014 17: 11
          +4
          Every city from the Age of the Stillborn. The whole book immediately came to mind.
      2. hawk
        hawk April 9 2014 16: 40
        +1
        And the police too.
  2. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith April 9 2014 14: 45
    +14
    I was hoping that the Kiev junta would change its mind. Now they have chosen the power option, which is in the hands of some politicians marking the presidency.
    1. Canep
      Canep April 9 2014 14: 53
      +21
      It’s bad that your candidate did not pass. laughing laughing laughing I mean Darth Vader. laughing laughing laughing .

      Quote: Sith Lord
      I was hoping that the Kiev junta would change its mind. Now they have chosen the power option, which will hand over some politicians to the presidency.

      Putin is also satisfied with the power option; they give an occasion to send troops to restore order. In general, bandits know only gang methods, their actions are quite predictable.
      1. vadson
        vadson April 9 2014 15: 06
        +5
        power is with us !!!!! ))))
      2. solaco
        solaco April 9 2014 15: 07
        +19
        Quote: Canep
        It’s bad that your candidate did not pass. laughing laughing laughing I mean Darth Vader. laughing laughing laughing .


        Of course it is sad... winked
      3. Tersky
        Tersky April 9 2014 15: 09
        +7
        Here de @ ila .. fool ... well, what kind of "power" is this if they order their people to foreign killers and press armored personnel carriers. Do these degenerates think they'll be in the PRESERENTS for a long time? Before the May elections, the people will pick them up ...
      4. seller trucks
        seller trucks April 9 2014 15: 42
        +7
        Power option suits and Putin,


        I do not agree, the GDP does not need a war in Ukraine, a "hot spot" near its own borders is a disaster. What will we do with the refugees, and we will have to help the love. does not roll, the power scenario is the last thing. But something tells me that everything will turn out not in favor of the ruling junta. We made some predictions about how long the junta would last until my 3-month prediction wins, and I was talking about the consequences of a disrupted sowing campaign.
      5. Niki
        Niki April 9 2014 16: 06
        +1
        I agree about the bandits, but I don’t completely agree on the introduction of troops, but we won’t be left with a choice - we still have to send troops. But still, it’s better to enter right away than to wait for more and more victims.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 9 2014 19: 03
          +2
          Quote: Niki
          I agree about the bandits, but I don’t completely agree on the introduction of troops, but we won’t be left with a choice - we still have to send troops. But still, it’s better to enter right away than to wait for more and more victims.

          Do you think that on our side there will be no victims - a kind of small victorious war?
    2. avt
      avt April 9 2014 15: 26
      +11
      Quote: Sith Lord
      Now they have chosen the power option, which is in the hands of some politicians marking the presidency.
      And what did they expect ??? They clearly understood that the protesters did not control the cities, there was no organized resistance, no, they were gathering their strength, pulling up the right-wingers, and they would go on beat.
      Quote: Canep
      Putin is also satisfied with the power option; they give an occasion to send troops to restore order.

      With what kind of fright did they decide so ?? There is no little bit of legal cover for the official use of regular units under the flag of Russia. Well, something like that in the framework of the special mission, yes, but again, in the case of support for a really existing structure. While the strap will pull one Lavrov.
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Arrange them the Terrible

      Quote: smile
      Unfortunately, if we compare the combat readiness of heavily armed Czechs, who were armed with tanks, artillery, hail and airplanes, mobilized, with a single, very decisive command, having combat experience, ready to kill and die ....

      good In in! Yes, there is no comparison! It’s true there wasn’t anyone to fly on Lkh, and they knocked them out at once, but Pasha-Mercedes didn’t leave weapons there, and Dudaev commanded a distant division, in the USSR there were no fools in that position, Maskhadov with combat experience, again they were really preparing for battles from the 91st to almost the 94th.
      Quote: smile
      Until eurofascists with mercenaries kill them, no one will suit Grozny ....

      And they will lose, at least at first, again because of bad, or rather, lack of organization. Well, here's a simple example - why go on about special forces and mercenaries? You have a weapon, your city, you know it with your eyes closed, you have determined where you have made the ground and preemptively - block and disarm, or even better, throw flies into the windows for the mercenaries. Again, horror is catching up - the snipers are already on the roof Well, what's the trouble, announcing that you have thousands in self-defense - to block and tie even a dozen sniper pairs ??? In Bendery, in combat conditions, the Romanians were caught, but here God himself ordered preemption. Sadly, this standing is not happy and looking to see if the Red Army is marching. The trouble, which after the betrayal of the "Party of Regions" has never been overcome, despite the enormous protest potential of the East and the South too. Trouble!
      1. I read the news
        I read the news April 9 2014 15: 35
        +5
        So even theoretical training is lacking now. To at least help with advice.
        1. Niki
          Niki April 9 2014 16: 10
          +3
          Come on grumble, we need to express something here as well. The Soviets have already thrown so that the people probably have already become entangled in the contradictions
        2. avt
          avt April 9 2014 16: 46
          +8
          Quote: I readNews
          So even theoretical training is lacking now. To at least help with advice.

          What ? Seriously chtol ???? Well, do not sit on the site, find at least the "Partisan's Satellite" of 1942 and later editions and study it.
        3. Demon0n
          Demon0n April 10 2014 01: 43
          0
          Quote: I readNews
          council

          1) To help with advice, you first need to determine who ... Is there an organized structure? Are there individuals designated as responsible for certain activities?
          2) The second point: intelligence can provide many tips through proxies (on both sides - see Clause 1), if this is included in the plans of the relevant structures.

          From myself, I can add the following: with the help of improvised means and the brain, you can do a lot ... Organize supply and logistics, think over the possibilities of ballistic protection (for example, no one guessed to slightly modify the concept of a lightweight aluminum shield - all materials can be found in household stores, markets and etc.), not to mention communication and coordination (there are 2 types of counteraction that can be used in combination: 1) "maneuverable tactics" - movement by small universal groups, strike-retreat 2) "ambush tactics" - traps, deceptions , you can go further, only you need to calculate the possible consequences (including how it will look from the outside) ... - very effective when it is necessary to hold objects or block possible directions).
          Nothing new, I didn’t come up with: all this has long been invented and applied without me.

          Question. Does all this need ... and if necessary, to whom? The network principle of organization is useful in certain conditions, but now it prevents to develop a clear and unified position (too many opinions, there is no possibility and conditions for systematization and ordering).

          The next point ... Personally, I get the impression (not without substantial reasons) that all these protests are the work of the Yankees intelligence (only they are interested in such a situation). If so, then climbing into a prepared trap is the last thing (and only if there are holes in the trap that can be used).
      2. brelok
        brelok April 9 2014 16: 38
        +2
        Quote: avt
        And they will lose, at least at first, again because of a bad, or rather, lack of organization.

        For one beaten they give two not beaten! Need a torch And there are people to raise
      3. smile
        smile April 9 2014 17: 34
        +3
        avt
        Everything is correct. This standing will not bring anything good, except discouragement. And with snipers - a great option - no snipers will shoot at even an unarmed crowd if a crowd of five hundred people blocks them in the building and "asks" to disarm, guaranteeing that they will be left with life ... they will simply be afraid that they will be torn to shreds. And then, dashing trouble is the beginning ... And most importantly, it will be a small, but very important moral victory, people will believe in themselves ...
        1. avt
          avt April 9 2014 18: 42
          +4
          Quote: smile
          This standing will not bring anything good, except a breakdown.

          request What's the use of everyone sitting in one, even two buildings with weapons !? At least you need control of the periphery, again - you are self-defense, why are not you divided into mobile, assault groups. And communication with law enforcement officers, the same "Berkut" and those who quit? Again these rumors - they arrived, did not arrive, how many, where? Why not banal intelligence has been established? After all, there are so many supporters, mobile phones and the Internet! Yes, the fact that their places of basing and concentration have been opened will make the punishers very nervous and change the already planned course of the operation in a time pressure mode, it is already half the battle. They really have a limited resource, even if there is money, but this is all balanced by the morale of the people.But people cannot be constantly kept in such tension without visible action and at least some kind of result!
        2. Demon0n
          Demon0n April 10 2014 02: 05
          0
          Quote: smile

          Everything is correct. This standing will not bring anything good, except discouragement. And with snipers - a great option - no snipers will shoot at even an unarmed crowd if a crowd of five hundred people blocks them in the building and "asks" to disarm, guaranteeing that they will be left with life ... they will simply be afraid that they will be torn to shreds. And then, dashing trouble is the beginning ... And most importantly, it will be a small, but very important moral victory, people will believe in themselves ...


          Do not underestimate the enemy and his readiness and, especially, stupidity with nerves. Ultimate scenarios must be backed up by force, otherwise it can turn into a massacre (besides, you should always take care of an alternative plan of action). For example, grenade launchers / snipers in the windows or under the cover of the crowd should be armed people in case the crowd does not have the required impact (this is really an extremely dangerous scenario and it should be used in cases where it is justified, for example, if it is necessary to capture equipment).
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  3. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU April 9 2014 14: 46
    +17
    Arrange them the Terrible am
    1. smile
      smile April 9 2014 14: 57
      +28
      Nevsky_ZU
      Unfortunately, if we compare the fighting efficiency of heavily armed Czechs, who were armed with tanks, artillery, hail and airplanes, mobilized with a single, very decisive command, having combat experience, ready to kill and die ... with self-defense from the junta, driven by politicians, and I don’t know how organized .... somehow, not in favor of self-defense .... there are essentially peaceful people, who, it seems, not everyone realized that they need to fight for their freedom. ... Until eurofascists with mercenaries start killing them, no one will suit Grozny ....
      1. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 April 9 2014 15: 07
        +11
        I support. Russians, as always, endure for a long time, but quickly harness and ride. When it comes to everyone that they can be killed and their families as well as someone who can be killed in the center of Donetsk, then the real unification of the East and the South against the junta will begin. Then the soldiers in the eastern parts will think about the safety of their families in the east.
        Do not bring your loved ones to death by the Nazis - take control of the situation. You have the power. The East is crowded and there are so many experienced military men who fought including in Afghanistan. Take weapons, take away equipment, set up roadblocks on the border with the western regions loyal to the junta and cut off the entrances to your cities and villages.
        One must already understand that it is impossible to wait for something humane and some kind of understanding from the Nazi government in Kiev. Nato and the United States need a massacre, it would be better with the participation of Russian troops.
        Western Ukraine also hates you as well as us for a long time, so let them sit in hatred at home in Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv.
        Let C accept them and take NATO - here's a look at how Maidan will behave there.
        1. cheega69
          cheega69 April 9 2014 15: 20
          +5
          Unfortunately, there are people who fought in Chechnya, my former colleague in SA Zhivet in Dnepropetrovsk.
          1. Tersky
            Tersky April 9 2014 15: 28
            +7
            Quote: cheega69
            Unfortunately, there are people who fought in Chechnya, my former colleague in the SA.

            Which side? If on them, then in Lugansk and bury him ..
            1. cheega69
              cheega69 April 9 2014 15: 37
              +6
              And on someone else’s. Boasted bastard.
        2. kirieeleyson
          kirieeleyson April 9 2014 15: 44
          +7
          And who will be this victim? When there will be sacrifices and people will not have to gather, the next day polite people may appear. The question is how to meet armored personnel carriers. But women with children should not be shown in front of them so as not to be crushed. I think Molotov cocktails can be made more generous and a couple can be burned. Children should be allowed into the nearby buildings from the SVD, if there is (I have no doubt that there are, thrifty officers and hunters have a lot of things, and not old ones, but to themselves). What else, set hedgehogs? It is possible, if you make a raid for a couple of depots and in garage conditions you can cut and weld in 3-5 hours. How to make a monolithic system? There is also practice - to make durable adhesions from the same tree and ropes. In general, you can think of such a thing, no jaguars and special vehicles will sell if they can not pull people out of the dense system. We need smoke and tear, such as bird cherry, you need a lot of pepper. You need to have a couple of three mobile units with shields for surgical intervention, or for cutting off the rear. These guys need to be properly managed, people and such are there ... Bl ... at least they wouldn’t surrender .. !!!
          1. Little Muck
            Little Muck April 9 2014 15: 49
            -1
            No, let women with children. You can not start first.
          2. Vasek
            Vasek April 9 2014 21: 25
            0
            Quote: kirieeleyson
            The question is how to meet armored personnel carriers

            Motorcyclists with Flies or RPGs could organize a good oncoming fireworks soldier
            It would be a desire ...
          3. Demon0n
            Demon0n April 10 2014 02: 36
            0
            Quote: kirieeleyson
            ... The question is how to meet armored personnel carriers. But women with children should not be shown in front of them so as not to be crushed. I think Molotov cocktails can be made more generous and a couple can be burned. Children should be allowed into the nearby buildings from the SVD, if there is (I have no doubt that there are, thrifty officers and hunters have a lot of things, and not old ones, but to themselves).
            ...
            You need to have a couple of three mobile units with shields for surgical intervention, or for cutting off the rear.

            The technique, it is better to try to capture, the method is correct. Under the guns of grenade launchers, snipers and / or with Molotov cocktails (2 types are possible: napalm and napalm with thermite mixture for burning armor plates) on the armor to the MTO grate (yell: "get out ... I'll burn ... ... ... ... "), having previously neutralized the escort (risky, but ...).
            You can go further with shields: these aluminum shields protect only from stones, but you can quickly weld (much heavier, respectively, the fighter will become less mobile) a full-fledged ballistic protection shield (artisanal G, of course ... but better than nothing) with sight plates on type of periscope (e.g. polished metal). All materials can be mined in stores and markets, aramid (with no access) can be replaced with nylon or other strong fiber, an epoxy resin with a plasticizer and hardener can be used for some layers of ballistic plates (although it is not desirable due to some features during heating) and etc.

            A lot of things can be ... The question is different. Who needs it and whether it is necessary.
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        3. olf_1959
          olf_1959 April 9 2014 16: 18
          +4
          Who will do this if only 2-3 thousand people leave the half-million city? Until the rooster pecks, there will be no business.
      2. Niki
        Niki April 9 2014 16: 14
        +1
        Yes, yes, everything is correct, that it is not necessary to compare. There were very unpleasant comparisons there ... In general, now in Lugansk a forceful decision was a forced measure, and then it was a de facto partisan and very likely the expected and desired development of events.
    2. Little Muck
      Little Muck April 9 2014 15: 03
      +11
      I propose to ask Kadyrov to send trained personnel.
      1. Belarus
        Belarus April 9 2014 15: 16
        +9
        I agree, only one presence already cool the ardor of the junta to climb into confrontation with protesters.
      2. smile
        smile April 9 2014 15: 34
        +12
        Little Muck
        :))) And what, an interesting idea - Bandera's people sent their own to help Dudayevites, so now let the Ramzanovites present a reciprocal gift - they will pay a return "visit" and thank the Banderlog for their help ... :))) Absolutely on a voluntary basis ... to work out the help of Allah ... :))) What is not an analogue of PMCs? Just don't ask Ramzan - he owes us everything, including his life.
        1. Vasek
          Vasek April 9 2014 21: 27
          0
          Quote: smile
          now let the Ramzanovites present a reciprocal gift - they will pay a return "visit" and thank the Banderlog for their help

          With a pack of one-way tickets! bully
      3. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson April 9 2014 17: 33
        +1
        They will start with a lezginka in the center of Kiev, then "hey, come here - is there any dengi?" and in my hands to sort out the rosary ...)))))))))
      4. asar
        asar April 9 2014 18: 27
        +2
        Send as a PMC ?! The junta "hang themselves" voluntarily! laughing
      5. 341712
        341712 April 10 2014 00: 16
        0
        Why ask? It should be there ... work out)))))
  4. polite people
    polite people April 9 2014 14: 49
    +4
    9 armored vehicles pieces. 80 seems tenth. Someone would have passed.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU April 9 2014 14: 51
      +5
      Quote: polite people
      9 armored vehicles pieces. 80 seems tenth. Someone would have passed.


      They will burn well ... After all, the "Russian Army of 1994" is sitting at the wheel
      1. Orik
        Orik April 9 2014 14: 55
        +15
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        They will burn well ... After all, the "Russian Army of 1994" is sitting at the wheel

        No, the campaign is even worse. The Russian army in 1994, it is still the Soviet army, and if they had given it to prepare properly and fight, it would have solved all the problems even then with less loss. And the army of Ukraine, this is the complete absence of the army.
      2. dmikras
        dmikras April 9 2014 19: 35
        +2
        here is the army of the Russian Federation of any non-advisory year to mention in abusive terms
        1. Vasek
          Vasek April 9 2014 21: 31
          0
          Quote: dmikras
          here is the army of the Russian Federation of any non-advisory year to mention in abusive terms


          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          And the army of Ukraine, this is the complete absence of the army.


          Yes ... and once it was all one army - the USSR Armed Forces!
          What a short memory people have, but what a pity!
    2. mamont5
      mamont5 April 9 2014 15: 10
      +6
      Quote: polite people
      9 armored vehicles pieces. 80 seems tenth. Someone would have passed.

      Will any of the crews of these machines decide to open fire? Then, after all, they will write to him. Naturally, Kiev’s is simple ... it won’t save, but he’ll sit down with them (if he remains alive).
  5. starhina01
    starhina01 April 9 2014 14: 50
    +12
    bottles of fuel prepared, I hope soldier stand like this till the end soldier
  6. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU April 9 2014 14: 52
    +11
    Quote: starhina01
    bottles of fuel prepared, I hope soldier stand like this till the end soldier


    There and RPG is. I think it will be a slaughter!
  7. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 April 9 2014 14: 52
    +16
    Not only armored personnel carriers entered Lugansk.

    But those from PMC "Greystone"

    Fresh information about the situation in Donetsk, the police goes over to the side of the rebels

    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov April 9 2014 15: 03
      +27
      Under all international agreements, soldiers dressed in the uniform of another state, or who are not citizens of countries of the parties to the conflict, are mercenaries to whom the Convention on Prisoners of War does not apply!
      in other words, they can be hung on the nearest post!
    2. vadson
      vadson April 9 2014 15: 08
      +7
      pretty girl))
      1. Tersky
        Tersky April 9 2014 15: 30
        +11
        Quote: vadson
        pretty girl))

        O Russian peasants people ... laughing , they’ll die, but they won’t miss a single pretty woman ...
        1. vadson
          vadson April 9 2014 16: 40
          +4
          so: a man was going to die, and he is sowing rye ....
    3. Sergey Minin
      Sergey Minin April 9 2014 16: 16
      +1
      But how to understand that this is PM Grainstone, and not BB Vega or BB Omega?
      1. thrower
        thrower April 9 2014 17: 22
        +2
        Look - the presence of Blackwater is proven. The fact that these people do not speak either Ukrainian or Russian is also proven. These may not be from Blackwater (Greystone), but you should treat them just as if you were sure of their belonging. You will not underestimate the enemy, you yourself will be more whole.

        According to the results of all investigations, it turned out that company employees from 2005 to 2007 participated in 195 shootings and in 84% of cases they opened fire first [48].
        1. asar
          asar April 9 2014 18: 44
          0
          To wet, and "above" will figure it out!
    4. hawk
      hawk April 9 2014 16: 51
      +1
      I told you, they waited. What do they have besides bronikov?
    5. Tatarus
      Tatarus April 9 2014 17: 07
      +2
      Quote: Novel 1977
      militia goes over to the side of the rebels


      Something I did not hear about the police.

      And in the photo a girl with her boyfriend can. Or so for the show and classmates
    6. asar
      asar April 9 2014 18: 42
      +1
      And mercenaries from "Greystone" - to kill cruelly, so that the road is forgotten! ("Greystone" is one of the most expensive "offices". They distinguished themselves in Iraq, including conflicts with the local population (they were the first to open fire), and were also involved in arms smuggling. Funded by the USA)
  8. Rubmolot
    Rubmolot April 9 2014 14: 53
    +21
    Dear residents of Lugansk!

    Now you have the opportunity to show the whole world whether "The Real Ukrainian" exists or not.
    If it exists, then remember that every nation has the power it deserves!
    Your future is only in your hands ... maybe just a couple more weeks ...
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv April 9 2014 16: 07
      +4
      Mines, Terikoni,
      factory vogni ...
      Month in herbs tone ...
      І пісні, пісні ...

      Share ty pisnyarska,
      my little one!
      Shakhtarska side,
      syn twi, syn tw i

      There, de obr_y, in the field
      heaven mriyna gat.
      Gold Topol
      behind Dinets make noise.

      About Kreydyanі burn
      I will not forget
      de prayed to the dawns
      my mother.

      I’m flying
      over the expanse of fields
      I am the land
      by yakiy walking.

      My blood is a virus
      in veins, at night ...
      I am the earth,
      the one who loves you.

      V. Sosyura
  9. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum April 9 2014 14: 53
    +11
    In fact, it’s bad that not our APCs ...
    We won the Crimea - we lose Ukraine ...
    And in order to arrange Grozny, it was necessary to arm the people.
    What can people do with their bare hands? Do not rely on a miracle.
    1. dimdimich71
      dimdimich71 April 9 2014 15: 01
      +8
      We don’t lose anything, we gain, it becomes clear who is friend, who is enemy
      1. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum April 9 2014 15: 08
        +2
        dimdimich71
        Wow acquisition ...
        And what, is it still not clear who is who ???
        1. dimdimich71
          dimdimich71 April 9 2014 15: 19
          +4
          At least Southeast, inert type of my hut with the edge, I think the fried bite will decide who to be
    2. Niki
      Niki April 9 2014 16: 20
      +1
      That is why the army of the southeast does not want to directly provoke the participation of the unarmed in the fight against armed people.
  10. vst6
    vst6 April 9 2014 14: 55
    +8
    Yes, negotiations with the commanders must be conducted so that the troops cross over to their side, and the best of Yanukovych as the commander-in-chief give the command so that all the troops cross over to the side of Donetsk.
    1. hawk
      hawk April 9 2014 16: 58
      +4
      It’s high time for Yanukovych to reappear in Donetsk or Lugansk for rehabilitation. Call fire on yourself, but make decisions first.
  11. daem00n
    daem00n April 9 2014 14: 56
    +9
    No one will think again - they will press hard. This is no longer Yanukovych - the new government either has a pan or has lost a third.
  12. lukke
    lukke April 9 2014 14: 56
    +12
    In Lugansk, where about a thousand people block the building of the regional administration of the SBU
    that’s the point of how much to sit in one building ?! The equipment had to be horseradish at the entrances to the city in small mobile groups - they shot back with cocktails and go. And so they will wait until the building is completely blocked, peaceful people from the square will be dragged by force and a mustache ... they will undertake to clean
    1. I read the news
      I read the news April 9 2014 15: 04
      +6
      Shot cocktails? Here is how you imagine it? At what distance can you personally throw a bottle of vodka? A sighting? What if they shoot you?
      1. johnsnz
        johnsnz April 9 2014 15: 15
        +21
        Vodka? ... Throw ???? Yes, I ... laughing
      2. lukke
        lukke April 9 2014 15: 20
        +15
        Shot cocktails? Here is how you imagine it? At what distance can you personally throw a bottle of vodka? A sighting? What if they shoot you?
        I understand your question, but not everything is so complicated. Locals know well all the entrances to the city, there are probably places where the armored personnel carrier does not travel 80-100 km / h (on the march as part of a 40-60 column), but reduces it to 20-30. If there are no such places, obstacles can be created. The column (as can be seen from the reportage) went unaccompanied and the landing force, if any, sat inside. Disable at least the first two and things will slow down. Nobody would have fired from an armored personnel carrier in response - to shoot from KPVT at 10-20 meters at single figures is difficult and insane, and even in settlements (along the route, stalls, gas stations, etc.) while the shooter requested permission to fire and the commander agreed, it would be possible to go to the Rostov region on foot. Of course, it is easy to write on the keyboard, but people who have declared that they will stand "Until the end" need to act in order to sell their lives at a higher price, and it is better to carry out their plans and stay alive. The right sector has already proven that action is better than inaction, even if you are in the minority. And they have a home there and support for families.
        1. avt
          avt April 9 2014 19: 15
          +3
          Quote: lukke
          I understand your question, but not everything is so complicated.

          good Everything is so in the city limits. Again, let me say - you do not have to climb like in Soviet cinema, just like from a trench in full growth. You need to work from a predetermined position and the possibility of retreat, and for this you need to first open the basing place and outline possible travel routes, prepare a fire box in advance so as not to shine and not to carry with you. Work as a group, minimum staff: an observing reconnaissance officer {does not participate personally in B.D. Only reconnaissance and targeting}, a couple of soldiers in good physical shape and a cover group do not light up, provide retreat and caches of soldiers, you can also have a rear support group - preparation of a fire box, supplying fighters with everything necessary. With competent work, support teams from local and sympathetic ones - the soles on the berets will be erased and the partisans will spend the gas and searching for weapons. The Bandera realistically the earth will burn underfoot. The main thing is that if you’ve taken it, don’t sit with your seats in place;
      3. Aleksandr65
        Aleksandr65 April 9 2014 16: 10
        +1
        He is throwing it from the couch. And from the sofa, wow, how far can you throw!
        1. lukke
          lukke April 9 2014 16: 20
          +5
          He is throwing it from the couch. And from the sofa, wow, how far can you throw!
          I don’t throw vodka at all, I drink it sometimes. You yourself, I’m not watching in Lugansk too ?! And I threw blanks on tanks - maybe now in schools they have already canceled this exercise and are training exclusively with grenade launchers, and we threw hammers
          1. Horst78
            Horst78 April 9 2014 17: 28
            +4
            Quote: lukke
            we threw the hamlets

            It’s strange, but we are at the physical education school in iron, even girls what
            1. lukke
              lukke April 9 2014 20: 37
              +1
              Strange, but we are at school in physical education, iron, even girls what
              At the NVP I remember those .. only they did not imitate the anti-tank grenade of the Second World War RPG-40 in my opinion))) there the size and weight are different. But the very thing that tankers swore at us was that some of the cadets managed to smash the spotlight with these discs.
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            3. Vasek
              Vasek April 9 2014 21: 40
              -1
              Quote: Horst78
              Quote: lukke
              we threw the hamlets
              It’s strange, but we are at the physical education school in iron, even girls

              They were luminous hamlets wassat
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      4. thrower
        thrower April 9 2014 17: 32
        +6


        This is a YouTube video of how this is happening in Iraq
        1. nizrum
          nizrum April 9 2014 18: 47
          +1
          And what are they throwing? they look like bottles, but they explode like grenades ... can we burst packets of what?
        2. Horst78
          Horst78 April 9 2014 18: 58
          +1
          Yes, they protect their land.
        3. TRex
          TRex April 9 2014 20: 36
          +5
          This is a hand-held cumulative grenade RKG-3. If you look closely, you can see how a guiding parachute flies out of the handle after the throw. Penetration (if successfully hit) millimeters 100-120.
    2. cheega69
      cheega69 April 9 2014 15: 26
      +6
      In general, technology should be allowed to get drawn into the city, preferably in the area of ​​dense development. To control the year-old skyscrapers and intersections. In the city, the Ambets technique, if you cut off the infantry.
      1. asar
        asar April 9 2014 18: 58
        0
        I agree! If you create the right rebuff, instead of holding onto one building as a whole team. Create maneuverable armed groups, cut off along the line!
    3. asar
      asar April 9 2014 18: 51
      +2
      Yes, incomprehensible actions! Nobody changed the tactics of urban battles, where are the officers? Or are they not in the militia?
      1. I read the news
        I read the news April 9 2014 22: 41
        +1
        Now these officers :(
  13. Orik
    Orik April 9 2014 14: 57
    +4
    Vova will have to answer for the bazaar, because it will be the genocide of the Russians.
    1. Coffee_time
      Coffee_time April 9 2014 15: 15
      +9
      It seems to me that Avakov, after the first shot with an armored personnel carrier, will sign a death sentence for himself along with his entire pack
      1. asar
        asar April 9 2014 19: 00
        +1
        And they already signed it for themselves, since the coup! Let the ropes cook! angry
    2. smile
      smile April 9 2014 15: 37
      +9
      Orik
      While Vova had a habit of being responsible for the "bazaar". I don’t think that anything has changed now.
    3. Russ69
      Russ69 April 9 2014 15: 40
      +7
      Quote: Orik
      Vova will have to answer for the bazaar, because it will be the genocide of the Russians.

      Vova, unlike us, knows much more. And what when to apply knows better.
      Let's not lose it, again to erase why the GDP is silent. Somehow already tired.
    4. _Voislav_
      _Voislav_ April 9 2014 17: 42
      +2
      Here, rather, they want to strongly provoke him to this, and then the whole junta will scream at the top of his mouth that the GDP has attacked Ukraine!
      1. nizrum
        nizrum April 9 2014 18: 50
        +1
        I think it won’t enter right away, it will wait a day ... so that the world realizes what happened, and then KA-A-AK !!! Wailing !!!

        From the point of view of politics - rightly, humanly - no, so I think that they will come up with a different thread. This is an extreme option.
        1. Vasek
          Vasek April 9 2014 21: 49
          0
          Quote: nizrum
          I think it won’t enter right away, it will wait a day ... so that the world realizes what happened, and then KA-A-AK !!! Wailing !!!

          From the point of view of politics - rightly, humanly - no, so I think that they will come up with a different thread. This is an extreme option.


          Just like in South Ossetia, 08.08.08.
  14. Az_esm
    Az_esm April 9 2014 14: 58
    +7
    Deputies of the Rada are political prostitutes. Who in February will cancel the counter-terrorist operation in Kiev ?! It means to demolish half the capital, to burn the guards alive, to kill hundreds of people - this is European democratic !!! And if their own citizens repeat the EXAMPLE LIVED by THE ACTING AUTHORITY, they will immediately see separatism and terrorism and the troops and armored vehicles and the counter-terrorism operation and an ultimatum and 48 hours ...
  15. Sergg
    Sergg April 9 2014 15: 00
    +12
    In the building of the Lugansk SBU found huge stocks of small arms


    According to the protesters, there were a lot of weapons in the weapon rooms, approximately one reinforced motorized rifle battalion in each.
    Stocks of RPG, SPG-9, PKM, SVD, Utes, a large number of ammunition were discovered. Approximately 2.5-3 standard-norms per barrel.

    It would be very nice if this is true !!! The armored personnel carriers will be greeted with "bread and salt".
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov April 9 2014 15: 28
      +4
      Quote: Sergg
      It would be very nice if this is true !!! The armored personnel carriers will be greeted with "bread and salt".

      Dtrs were given to you, boxes without cover-up will fill up immediately, RPG fuck no need! The most important thing is how many punishers will catch up! And RPG come in handy for them!
    2. smile
      smile April 9 2014 15: 43
      +6
      Sergg
      Rumors are rumors, but we have not seen organized and armed self-defense units. The concept of "secrecy" is not there now. I think, if such would be dispersed throughout the city, the whole tyrnet would already be full of rollers. Therefore, this is somewhat doubtful ... or it is not widespread. Or they don't want to be the first to bleed ... which I personally hope for ...
      1. Little Muck
        Little Muck April 9 2014 15: 47
        +5
        If the guys even spoke seriously about 20 thousand bayonets, they probably thought of dispersing themselves. After all, there are about a thousand in the SBU building, which means the rest are dispersed. It seems not children, I believe in the best.
        1. Niki
          Niki April 9 2014 16: 34
          +1
          Well, they don’t seem to hold on to children themselves. Threaten. And probably there is no continuous cordon of the area where the uprising is concentrated. But this city must be known. Or watch on satellite maps.
        2. brelok
          brelok April 9 2014 16: 47
          +1
          Quote: Little Muck
          If the guys even spoke seriously about 20 thousand bayonets, they probably thought of dispersing themselves. After all, there are about a thousand in the SBU building, which means the rest are dispersed. It seems not children, I believe in the best.

          It’s also interesting to know about the Soviet warehouses of NZ. They are like in Donbas
          1. svd-xnumx
            svd-xnumx April 9 2014 21: 52
            0
            weapons from "dubious regions" must have been taken out, they showed how weapons were taken out of the salt mines in Artemyevsk.
        3. vadson
          vadson April 9 2014 16: 48
          +2
          24 in Russia showed a man in a mask, he says that he’s not with fighters in the SBU and he has 2 thousand under arms, so there are people there and not 20 thousand but 4-5 should be, of course there are less armed
        4. nizrum
          nizrum April 9 2014 18: 52
          +1
          They like the SBU burned down, and planted half ... besides it is all over the southeast.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair April 9 2014 17: 14
        +1
        Quote: smile
        Rumors are rumors, but for some reason we did not see organized and armed self-defense units.
        On one of the informative resources, I came across information about a very large arsenal captured in the Security Service of Ukraine in Lugansk ...
        There are SVD, PKM, AK, Vintorez, RPG, Utes, PM (I think there will be hand grenades ...) and HUGE number of ammunition to them ...

        Can IT and availability SUFFICIENT How many fighters are holding back the junta from taking action?
        1. smile
          smile April 9 2014 17: 24
          +2
          Corsair
          The devil knows him ... but I don’t think - they understand that they must act quickly - while self-defense. Apparently, still not organized enough. Even with existing weapons, if any, it is necessary to arm the formed units or detachments. This also takes time. So far, we do not see armed groups of people from the self-defense forces on the streets of Lugansk. I doubt that they would not have been spotted and photographed by numerous fans of filming and uploading videos to the network .... And this spoils the mood. But the junta feels - for her now procrastination is really like death.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair April 9 2014 17: 31
            +2
            Quote: smile
            God knows ...

            But people are MILITARY and just with the HEAD I think there is still there.
            And some kind of organization should be present.
            Hope so!
        2. asar
          asar April 9 2014 19: 03
          +2
          God forbid, but I don’t want a slaughter!
  16. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 9 2014 15: 00
    +10
    I really want to get GDP (according to the direction of Washington No. ==== laughing ), so that he starts like the first! stop
    1. dimdimich71
      dimdimich71 April 9 2014 15: 10
      +6
      However, they will get everyone in bulk
    2. zzz
      zzz April 9 2014 16: 16
      +4
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      I really want to get GDP (according to the direction of Washington No. ==== laughing ), so that he starts like the first! stop


      This is exactly what they want! But Putin is not dumber, probably, all the moves are calculated. It is possible that the armored personnel carriers are just a pont, they want to take it in fright. The first one can’t stand it and the bullet will lose. IMHO.
  17. Stiletto
    Stiletto April 9 2014 15: 02
    +5
    We should now send Yanukovych there - no matter how you say it, a legitimate president. At the same time, see if the junta will stand on ceremony with him as he had before them.
    1. Orc-xnumx
      Orc-xnumx April 9 2014 15: 13
      +3
      Quote: Stiletto
      We should now send Yanukovych there - no matter how you say it, a legitimate president. At the same time, see if the junta will stand on ceremony with him as he had before them.

      Yanyk is pissed!
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto April 9 2014 15: 25
        +6
        Quote: Orc-78
        Yanyk is pissed!


        Why ask him? The president should be with his people in a dashing year, and not at the dachas near Rostov, while the guys will fight with those whose very existence was made possible thanks to the connivance of Yanyk.
      2. cheega69
        cheega69 April 9 2014 15: 34
        +9
        There is such a Russian word NADO. And an accelerating kick.
        1. hawk
          hawk April 9 2014 17: 05
          +2
          And a glass for courage ...
      3. Aleksandr65
        Aleksandr65 April 9 2014 16: 15
        +5
        Kick him, kick Yanuk in the ass to Donetsk! And do not want to give the junta! But he won’t do it ...
      4. asar
        asar April 9 2014 19: 11
        +1
        Yanuca will either have a stomach, or crap will "come out"! But in any case - "diplomatic runny nose", bed rest! wassat
    2. lars
      lars April 9 2014 15: 14
      +5
      M Gaddafi was also the legitimate head of state.
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  18. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE April 9 2014 15: 03
    +6
    Oh and in vain they do it. I think the GDP will calculate everything correctly and give it to impudent banderlogs again
  19. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum April 9 2014 15: 04
    .
    Orik
    GDP sits in the Kremlin in deep thought and treats colds.
    He does not have a plan for Ukraine. And there wasn’t. Neither long-term nor short-term. He always acts according to the situation or waits for the moment. He is a scout. Observer. But not a strategist or tactician.

    This is both good and bad. But time is running out and opportunities too.
    The disease is well treated only at an early stage. We already missed this moment.
    You can agree or not, but we were not ready for such events.
    Turning to the negative:
    You know, it’s very, very disgusting at heart, when you are beaten in a fight, and a friend stands a little apart from the bat, prays for you and ... does not interfere.
    1. Belarus
      Belarus April 9 2014 15: 33
      +8
      Well, as they say, I don’t completely agree with you. If you treat everything at once, you can heal yourself until your death. It is important that there is an intelligent doctor and proper treatment.
      A hurry is necessary only when:
      1) sleeping with someone else's wife
      2) when catching fleas.
      yes
      1. jayich
        jayich April 9 2014 15: 52
        +4
        But what about diarrhea? smile
        1. asar
          asar April 9 2014 19: 15
          +1
          Vodka with salt (old way)!
      2. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum April 9 2014 16: 13
        +4
        Belarus
        Dear colleague.
        I understood your idea, thanks.
        Yes, the situation is not simple and much does not lie on the surface.
        About the doctor. So, a good doctor focuses on the immune system. Medicines do not treat on their own. It helps the immune system.
        My idea is that GDP, as a doctor, figuratively did not help forces capable of defeating the disease. And this must be done immediately, without waiting until the disease affects everything. Including the immune system.
        1. doc62
          doc62 April 9 2014 17: 46
          0
          you can see obsessive visions even one of the stages of cyclotemia
      3. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru April 9 2014 17: 25
        +3
        Quote: Belarus
        A hurry is necessary only when:

        Have time to swing the litter while the Zhinka turned away ...
    2. Rohon
      Rohon April 9 2014 15: 42
      0
      Apparently you once were not really sick and do not know how chronic diseases are treated ....
      1. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum April 9 2014 16: 06
        0
        Rohon
        It's nice that we are on "you"
        Quote: rohon
        Apparently you once were not really sick and do not know how chronic diseases are treated ...

        Dear, are you a doctor? What does the term "chronic" mean?
        Why do diseases go into the stage of incurability, you know?
        Why are centers for early diagnosis of diseases being built, guess?
        Do you know the reasons for the onset of illness?
        Your claim is not accepted.
    3. Cossacks
      Cossacks April 9 2014 16: 05
      +1
      In something you are right. And the disadvantages are for pimple youths. The main truth.
      1. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum April 9 2014 16: 17
        +4
        Cossacks
        Thank you for understanding. Cons and pros do not think so.
        1. zzz
          zzz April 9 2014 16: 53
          +2
          Quote: Samsebenum
          Cossacks
          Thank you for understanding. Cons and pros do not think so.


          plus sign from me!
        2. Cossacks
          Cossacks April 9 2014 20: 23
          +1
          I respect that you are not afraid of cons. You see how many political youths showed up. They did not even understand how they got caught. Well, hell with them.
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    5. IGS
      IGS April 9 2014 16: 23
      +13
      He showed, or rather his team, as a very good strategist. You can minus, but you are tired of shouting: "Why is there no order, why we are slow?" There is no full support, as in Crimea, look at the percentage of protesters and the entire population, the bulk of this is "my hut on the edge." We will not economically pull the annexation of the South-East, and after all, people there expect that their standard of living will immediately equal the Russian, and in Russia people do not want the standard of living to fall to the Ukrainian one, the sanctions against us will no longer be joking, and whoever, how I would not shout here, but they will hit us, and first of all they will hit the common people. If we bring in troops, we play into the hands of the West and such as Yulia, we shed the blood of our brotherly people, putting a fat cross on the inevitable unification, we will undermine our economy, isolate ourselves in the international arena, and also switch the attention of the Ukrainian people from their economic problems to the "invasion of Russia" , they just shout about it, in short, we will fulfill all their dreams.
      Putin is now in a very difficult situation, if he brings in troops, then all of the above, if not, then the loss of authority. I hope to do it outside the box as usual. We need a neutral, federal Ukraine within its current borders, with full respect for the rights of the Russian-speaking population. And "swallow" everything in the heat of urapatriotism ... you can choke. We must support our own in the political arena, financially, unofficially with cadres and equipment, and shelter in Russia. It is better for the banderlog to arrange a guerrilla war, and the West is a hotbed of tension than they are to us, and we force the West (not Ukraine, it has nothing to do with it) to do what we have long voiced through the lips of Lavrov.
      1. Little Muck
        Little Muck April 9 2014 16: 33
        +4
        Interesting. And when NATO troops with missiles appear there, will we also play partisans? And to build the border around the entire perimeter 10 orders of magnitude higher (is that what we will get for nothing)?
        1. IGS
          IGS April 9 2014 16: 54
          +2
          Then it's better to the English Channel. And the Stalin Strait, finally, put into operation. laughing
        2. Bober
          Bober April 9 2014 18: 57
          +2
          Sometimes, in order for the response energy to be positive, it is necessary to create an excess of negative elsewhere, where it is no longer physically possible to concentrate it anymore. Any step of NATO today is a step into the bottle. The essence of the bottle will remain if we do not split it ourselves. The times of the drafts bare, in the attack, have already passed. I would like to believe that we continue to walk a horse, and NATO is still pawns, as recent events have shown.
      2. vadson
        vadson April 9 2014 16: 55
        +2
        I agree to the economy’s account, the same pensioners feed on industry taxes, if 4-5 million pensioners come to us now, our pension fund will jump off a cliff. even with our liberal system. with these reforms ..... aphids even no words
      3. zzz
        zzz April 9 2014 17: 00
        +2
        Quote: IGS
        We need a neutral, federal Ukraine within its current borders, with full respect for the rights of the Russian-speaking population. And "swallow" everything in the heat of urapatriotism ... you can choke.


        You seem to be right in saying that, but such Ukraine with such leaders will immediately bring in NATO troops, and maybe behind the scenes. And rockets to our side! Here, of the two evils, the lesser must be chosen. And we all understand this.
        1. IGS
          IGS April 9 2014 17: 09
          +2
          I wrote "NEUTRAL", these demands to the West were announced more than a month ago by Lavrov. And the leaders of Ukraine do not play a role here, they are dummies.
        2. Samsebenaum
          Samsebenaum April 9 2014 22: 37
          0
          zzz
          Immediately put "+"
          Thank God there are reasonable people on the forum. And then they gathered, who to organize the partisan movement, who call on the mind of the Nazis, who are afraid of sanctions ...
          With such views as Vysotsky sang: "And who is frail - right into the coffin ..."
          But NATO - this is no longer sanctions - it's a knife at the throat.
      4. hawk
        hawk April 9 2014 17: 10
        +4
        There should be no talk of joining. In the wake of the protest, collapse the junta. There should be a borderline between the geyropa and us - for example, Malaya Ros.
      5. nizrum
        nizrum April 9 2014 19: 00
        +1
        Wildly plus !!!!! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
    6. Niki
      Niki April 9 2014 16: 37
      +2
      Poor, poor GDP. He himself needs to invent everything ... Yes ... He has neither comrades nor the FSB. That's how he is now, huh?
      1. IGS
        IGS April 9 2014 16: 59
        +1
        Can we read? Or just spit to write?
        or rather his team,
      2. Vasek
        Vasek April 9 2014 22: 11
        0
        Quote: Niki
        He has neither comrades nor the FSB. That's how he is now, huh?

        Yes, he has everything - and Lavrov, and Shoigu, and Bortnikov.
        You just don’t have to hurry, let the opponents get nervous, make mistakes, discover their intentions ...
        And then - none of us here knows, but I’m sure that at least 3-4 scenarios have been worked out.
    7. Tatarus
      Tatarus April 9 2014 17: 16
      +2
      Well, if he

      Quote: Samsebenum
      Observer. But not a strategist or tactician.


      But anyway

      Quote: Samsebenum
      He is a scout

      Plus the President of the Great Country, then both strategists and tactics sit with him.

      Whatever Putin is now all hopes are only on him. And no, I’m not a putinoid, and yes, in all elections I voted against everyone. In the following I think to do differently.
      1. Cossacks
        Cossacks April 9 2014 20: 31
        0
        Or I am very behind the times or there is no such column. Correct if something is wrong.
      2. Cossacks
        Cossacks April 9 2014 20: 31
        0
        Or I am very behind the times or there is no such column. Correct if something is wrong.
    8. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 9 2014 19: 36
      +1
      Quote: Samsebenum
      GDP sits in the Kremlin in deep thought

      To worry about others is good, but you have to think about your own! So he thinks how to resolve the situation so that he doesn’t shed his blood! To perish - there is no need for a lot of mind, to defeat the enemy and save the lives of soldiers - honor and respect!
    9. Cynic
      Cynic April 10 2014 10: 17
      0
      Quote: Samsebenum
      He does not have a plan for Ukraine.

      Intelligence reported exactly?
      Demagogy is a set of oratory and polemical techniques and means that allow you to mislead the audience and incline it to your side.

      Quote: Samsebenum
      Turning to the negative:

      Minus precisely from what is disgusting at heart.
      Quote: Samsebenum
      , and a friend stands a little apart from the bat, prays for you

      And he is from another district, not participating in a fight!
      You would also give an analogy with the fuss of the kids in the sandbox.
      I agree there are dads / mothers who arrange a showdown with the parents of the adversary of their child, or even with him.
  20. ale-x
    ale-x April 9 2014 15: 07
    +19
    What are all bloodthirsty ... What are you discussing here? Movie, what the fuck? Everything to the doctor .. Give them Grozny, they’re completely crazy.
  21. zollstab
    zollstab April 9 2014 15: 08
    +9
    To catch live specialists from the t.v.k. and throw them into the crowd at the mercy, broadcast through all the satellites. am
    1. asar
      asar April 9 2014 19: 22
      +1
      There will be no less mercenaries from this! The foreign legion has existed for decades! So what? In PMCs, too, there is no "crisis" with "personnel"! Every mercenary knows what awaits him in case of capture, knows that they can kill! But they are coming!
  22. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx April 9 2014 15: 12
    +2
    Polite people! AU!
  23. bigELDAK
    bigELDAK April 9 2014 15: 14
    +17
    Outside the window, rain and hail. This is Putin's fault!
    The cat left the kittens - Putin is to blame,
    Mistress threw a hare - Guilty, guess!
    Here comes the board At the unfortunate goby, Our Tanya cries loudly - Nearby Putin, not otherwise!
    The light went out, the fence fell, The car stalled motor,
    Healthy tooth removed Ile climbed into the apartment thief,
    I didn’t like the movie, you arrived in ... but

    Any cataclysm has one explanation ...
    Every democrat knows - Putin is to blame!
    Who yesterday in my porch Lift to the ceiling?
    Believe me, comrades, this is Putin’s hand!
    I caught drunk "squirrel" - This is Putin's tricks!
    A pile under the table of Mr. Putin’s wine!
    The toilet is clogged - This is Putin’s order,
    He threw bull-calves there, poured water - and he was like that!
    At night, the clothes are stolen, the glass in our house is broken.
    Dancing drunk in the yard. This is Putin - a riffraff!
    There is no escape from the villain! Matom writes on the walls
    Broke the bushes in the alley. This is Putin - oh and oh!
    Liberala is wetting the rain - Putin laughs merrily.
    Flooded your cottage? - This is Putin, not otherwise!
    Did you find a thunderstorm along the way? - That hand got the Kremlin.
    Cold, wind, snow - Putin is again to blame.
    Blowing down a hurricane? - This is Putin taking revenge on the rams.
    Storm, tsunami, flood? - This is Putin, no doubt!
    Rain, landslide, cyclone - Of course he is to blame.
    Sel, avalanche, rockfall? - Clear: Putin is to blame!
    Tornado, typhoon, earthquake - There is no escape from Putin! wassat laughing
    1. Cossacks
      Cossacks April 9 2014 16: 11
      +1
      Sorry, your nickname is translated big hell, otherwise I'm on the wrong one.
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    3. hawk
      hawk April 9 2014 17: 12
      +1
      And the rhyme grows like yeast ...
    4. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum April 9 2014 22: 50
      +1
      This mocking rhyme appeared in the ranks of Nashi.
      For snotty youths. as an answer to uncomfortable questions.
      But when I read on the forum for cool men, and even this "masterpiece" is littered with pluses, I understand that there will be no serious discussion ...
      1. Cynic
        Cynic April 10 2014 10: 28
        +1
        Quote: Samsebenum
        there will be no serious discussion ...

        In the right way for you there.
        It is from the fact that seriously discussing something, there is nothing _ Do not start the same because of World War III.
        Yes, about the rhyme, there is also its opposite, I laid out on the forum a couple of times. For some reason, is not popular.
  24. Leshka
    Leshka April 9 2014 15: 16
    +2
    blood will spill soon and a lot of blood
    1. hawk
      hawk April 9 2014 17: 18
      +1
      Thoughts tend to materialize. Let us hope for the best. Getting into position is not a war yet. Along the way, through the foreign owners, we certainly demand to give the command "Fu!" And Banderlog s.s.a.t. - gave 48 hours. Why pull?
  25. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE April 9 2014 15: 17
    +4
    Quote: Leshka
    blood will spill soon and a lot of blood

    But this must be tried by all means to prevent.
  26. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 April 9 2014 15: 17
    +12
    May God give the people of Donbass strength in the fight against banderlogs.
    The time has come for banderlogs to answer for everything. Even if those who fight for the right to speak Russian and their right to live freely will fail at first, it still will not stop the people. They cannot be broken by force, a guerrilla war will begin. Among those people whom I saw over the past two days, there are people with military experience who know how to fight.
    And the Donbass men themselves are not shaky, most work in mines. Many in metallurgical plants. Strong guys in one word.
    Miner labor is daily associated with the risk of losing a life, so mercenaries here are unlikely to help the oligarchs. They simply tear to pieces, they can’t get away alive from them if there is at least one shot from their side and God forbid blood will be shed from their hands.
    Good luck guys, we won’t leave you.
  27. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    +5
    Is there anyone from Lugansk?
    What really is being done to defend against banderlogov?
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx April 9 2014 15: 53
      +7
      Do you have to report in full form and with the scheme of fortifications? fool
      1. hawk
        hawk April 9 2014 17: 20
        0
        Rotary, platoon ...
  28. kelevra
    kelevra April 9 2014 15: 23
    +6
    The Ukrainian media can never be trusted! They already wrote about the Russian landing and about the shelling of peaceful Ukrainian cities, and about entire groups of FSBeshnikov-saboteurs!
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto April 9 2014 15: 26
      +2
      Quote: kelevra
      The Ukrainian media can never be trusted! They already wrote about the Russian landing and about the shelling of peaceful Ukrainian cities, and about entire groups of FSBeshnikov-saboteurs!


      Lure. Give wishful thinking. Landing and Feshnikov would be nice, yes ... winked
    2. asar
      asar April 9 2014 19: 34
      0
      If our saboteurs would already be in place, it is unlikely that there was any talk of an offensive by the junters!
  29. marder4
    marder4 April 9 2014 15: 24
    +1
    I think that it’s just window dressing - they’re unlikely to risk shooting their own, and the armored personnel carrier isn’t so hot ...
  30. Monk
    Monk April 9 2014 15: 25
    +3
    Quote: Leshka
    blood will spill soon and a lot of blood


    No blood needed.
  31. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv April 9 2014 15: 26
    +14
    If the APU entered Lugansk with armored vehicles ...
    This is a new round of turbidity in Ukraine, since the use of troops has not yet been.
    If the army will conduct a force scenario ... then this is the blood of civilians and the military.
    The Maidan residents have not poured SUCH such blood yet and do not know what it is. They have not yet crossed that line.

    This can break the situation in Ukraine into: "BEFORE" and "AFTER". No return to the past.

    Very dangerous situation ……………………
    And this can serve as an occasion for many scenarios. VERY MANY OPTIONS.

    Maydanuty began to play ...
    1. smile
      smile April 9 2014 15: 54
      +5
      Aleks tv
      On the one hand - they have no other choice — they themselves drove themselves into a corner.
      On the other hand, the "hawks" came to power there, they simply are not sharpened to act in a different way, on the third, it seems to some people that the "small victorious war" will solve all their problems .... there, brave Mishiko has already decided ...
      But annoying that their actions can not but be coordinated with their Western masters, and therefore the Syrian scenario, and our linkage in the conflict becomes quite real .... oh, how I would not want to believe it ....
    2. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK April 9 2014 16: 16
      +3
      When they forcibly overthrow the power, they burn the harness and kill the policemen, impose their truth on the strength and values ​​rob the population, this is called WAR and not played too much.
  32. Belarus
    Belarus April 9 2014 15: 30
    +11
    It is very sad to realize that if you do not twist, but apparently the world will not end there.
    The men in Lugansk do not intend to retreat (God grant them strength and good luck in their struggle) and will stand to the end. They are fighting for their families and their happy future.
    And the creatures in Kiev, they do not even fight and work out the money that they received.
    They don't even have a homeland, they have nothing, nothing holds them back except to lose their "30 pieces of silver."
    And therefore, men in particular in Lugansk must survive and they need to be helped in every way.
    And in conclusion I want to say the words from the movie "Brother - 2": ..... whoever is true is stronger!
    And the truth is on the side of the rebels against the fascist junta in Kiev and not only.
    1. Cossacks
      Cossacks April 9 2014 16: 15
      +3
      I respect for the words and for the login
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    3. egor 1712
      egor 1712 April 9 2014 17: 34
      +5
      Special forces soldiers were brought to Lugansk from Zaporozhye and the team was allowed to prepare for the assault. The guys closed in the military unit and said that they would not fight against civilians. News of the hour!
      1. asar
        asar April 9 2014 19: 36
        0
        Well done, men!
  33. Rusin Dima
    Rusin Dima April 9 2014 15: 33
    +3
    But this is really serious, can you imagine what will happen if people start pushing tanks
  34. Ural guys
    Ural guys April 9 2014 15: 33
    +3
    I think that this is a disinformation, which is the same as with the surrender of the allegedly Lugansk SBU.
    Snooping around until they dare. for starters, they will want to concentrate their forces on the border with Ukraine, namely the fleet and ground forces.
    The American ship entered the World Cup only this morning, so for the reunion with the two remaining (I mean that they are in the port of Romania and the one that allegedly ran aground in Turkey). But most likely they will try to make a sabotage against their own ships under the guise that the Russians did, thereby giving the Senate the opportunity to allow the full use of the 6th fleet of the US Navy throughout the World Cup.
    In order to prevent this from happening, it is imperative to urgently make a political statement or send at least a couple of spies from Russia.
    1. mvv
      mvv April 9 2014 17: 49
      +1
      Armored personnel carriers are not disinfectants. Amerovsky ship is needed to track the situation and as a sign of presence in the region. You can enter them several there. For example, to evacuate any persons, or documents, or equipment, or valuables.
      1. Ural guys
        Ural guys April 10 2014 08: 39
        0
        This is just an option.
        It is unclear why bring this old trough there? That is the question.
        I think all the same they are preparing a setup with him.
      2. Ural guys
        Ural guys April 10 2014 08: 39
        0
        This is just an option.
        It is unclear why bring this old trough there? That is the question.
        I think all the same they are preparing a setup with him.
  35. maiman
    maiman April 9 2014 15: 35
    +3
    Why few people understand that now no one needs rush in the southeast, only we will go there the whole world and a pack of NATO ghouls will open a war, and this will be an OPA, we don’t need to think wisely, Crimea defended itself the people themselves didn’t wait and rose right away, with the help of invisible people, so the southeast needs to attract the attention of the whole world to the problem, and only then Russia, according to the competent actions of our politicians and diplomats, will show its power and do not need to set a precedent for ghouls this is very expected, gentlemen's patience is only patience, a cold head and a sober mind
  36. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 9 2014 15: 37
    +8
    Now, again, a friend with the Donetsk region. corresponded. Generally p ... z, the zombie is over. It used to be an amoeba, but now it’s a zombie amoeba. I was going to fight with Russia, now there are such people in bulk.
    They will give good, when I meet instead of a hand, I will insert a bayonet.
    1. 317
      317 April 9 2014 16: 53
      +4
      You just correspond, and I’m sitting with these banderlogs through the wall, it’s like we’ve been working together for 14 years, and as they broke the chains, I spent the night on OGA, if the machine would kill the creatures, as they would me. Morally saves that I'm not alone here. But Chuyka whispers fired
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      1. Little Muck
        Little Muck April 9 2014 16: 57
        +2
        And I studied with him at the institute, I had to sip from one bowl, and now his brain was blown away. Do you see he is an "independent Ukrainian"? And we are akkupants. S.ka
  37. demon184
    demon184 April 9 2014 15: 37
    +4
    It is necessary to give aFakov 48 hours to leave Ukraine.
  38. sm00vik
    sm00vik April 9 2014 15: 41
    +2
    Yes, events are on the rise! The same coin, only on the other side of western Ukraine.
  39. CARLSON
    CARLSON April 9 2014 15: 42
    +4
    In no case should the South-East begin an armed confrontation first, it will stupidly untie the hands of Kiev and justify the current incomprehensible power in the eyes of the whole world for using weapons against its people. It is not sad, but in the current situation, the Southeast will have to wait until they are pressed hard using weapons and equipment against them and only then can they really and adequately respond. Moreover, the answer should be not only military but informational, so as not to again give the Ukroin mass media everything upside down
    1. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK April 9 2014 16: 35
      +1
      They see only what is profitable. This is "Western democracy" and "freedom of speech" in action. Besides the scrap, there is no reception besides other scrap.
    2. Niki
      Niki April 9 2014 16: 44
      +1
      And for this reason, too many tusnik around Lugansk SBU are not collected.
    3. Estray_
      Estray_ April 9 2014 20: 30
      0
      U. Karlson, Moscow will be to blame for any outcome. Even if by the end of 48 hours Avakov and the militia will arrange a friendly drinking party, be sure to blame Moscow for everything.
  40. alexgrin
    alexgrin April 9 2014 15: 43
    +1
    It seems to me that Putin is waiting for when the exchange of fire begins with assaults, and, under this pretext, send troops!
  41. bigELDAK
    bigELDAK April 9 2014 15: 44
    +2
    pukrainian police
    as well as a wish to all parties
  42. Papania
    Papania April 9 2014 15: 50
    +3
    Anxious and scary for ordinary people.
  43. Ross
    Ross April 9 2014 15: 51
    +2
    Quote: jjj
    The men have grenade launchers. Skills in handling, presumably, are good. To knock out three or four units, the rest will not turn up. On the other hand, you can try to take trophies. Although, in my opinion, the Libyan experience is preferable here - a pickup truck with a machine gun or a grenade launcher in the back. And taking control of the border with Russia to replenish weapons and ammunition, as well as evacuate people in the event of hostilities

    Especially in one of their videos, the guys have already promised to burn their equipment. They didn’t want to shoot people, because only those who went through the hot spots know the price of life ...
  44. Ross
    Ross April 9 2014 16: 05
    +2
    Quote: I readNews
    So even theoretical training is lacking now. To at least help with advice.

    http://anna-news.info/
    look there is the Crimean headquarters and instructions.
  45. CARLSON
    CARLSON April 9 2014 16: 07
    +2
    [quote = Little Muk] Now again a friend with the Donetsk region. corresponded. Generally p ... z, the zombie is over. It used to be an amoeba, but now it’s a zombie amoeba. I was going to fight with Russia, now there are such people in bulk.

    So bring troops there now, so that later these "zombified amoebas" Gundels and demanded from Russia to arrange a heavenly life for them, since Russia did not let them go to Europe, where they would now have 10000 euros a month as unemployment benefits.
    And of course they won’t go to war, it’s so in the wake of computer patriotism, it seems to them that the main thing in the war is to survive and you can try to knock out a Russian tank at least a hundred times in a row, the main thing is when to shoot on a new boot fool
    1. Little Muck
      Little Muck April 9 2014 16: 37
      +1
      I think it’s not really enough to fight tymahs, but like vile tweets, they will jump up and down.
  46. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake April 9 2014 16: 08
    +1
    It smelled like a civil war sad
    1. asar
      asar April 9 2014 19: 40
      0
      And the civil war no longer smells, it is already underway, since the Euromaidan!
    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 April 9 2014 21: 11
      0
      Quote: Kuvabatake
      It smelled like a civil war
      They are being brought to Donetsk ....
      1. hawk
        hawk April 9 2014 22: 10
        +1
        This is more serious armored personnel carriers. Really, how are we going to shoot BiDe in 1993?!? And the army, that everything is stoned? Do not know what they are thrown?
  47. LIS 25
    LIS 25 April 9 2014 16: 20
    +2
    if etit scum nor calm down (Bandera), then I think we will arrange it 1943-1944g. The liberation of Ukraine from the occupants. am
  48. Shustov
    Shustov April 9 2014 16: 34
    +1
    I saw once, quite a long time ago, how boards with smeared identification marks flew "across the river" and did all sorts of bad things there. Can you burn them equipment ??
  49. Oml
    Oml April 9 2014 16: 40
    +1
    Well, there are people who care about their situation.
  50. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 9 2014 16: 48
    +1
    The armored personnel carrier is faster for psychological pressure. I have already tried one on the Maidan, everyone has seen the result, especially the fighting efficiency of the soldiers in Ukraine, too, many know what, and the Syrians won and how much they used to use the APC.