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Why have to lie. Analysis of the fresh revelations of the Minister of Economy

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Last week, at a conference, Minister of Economic Development Ulyukayev spoke with another revelation. According to him, economic growth in the country in 2014 could amount to 1,8 – 1,9%, and capital outflows - $ 100 billion. “We did the calculation, how does capital outflow affect investments, on economic growth. It turns out that, from the point of view of production factors, growth for 2%: 1,8 – 1,9% will be normal for this year, ”he said, adding that in the calculations they assumed that in the first quarter of 2014 capital outflow would be about $ 60 billion. "This is about the repetition of the entire volume of last year," the minister added.


And here comes the natural question. When Ulyukaev was the first deputy chairman of the Central Bank, responsible for the situation with the inflow / outflow of capital, he, after the spring of 2012, when the active outflow of capital began, repeatedly said that this outflow was about to end. The question arises - is his assessment of economic growth made on the basis of the same grounds on which he spoke of the inevitable beginning of capital inflows? If “yes”, then, firstly, where does the outflow of 100 billion come from, and, secondly, why should we believe it about growth, if it was seriously wrong with the influx?

If “no”, then the question arises, at what point did Ulyukayev change his position, why did he change it, what factors played a role here, how did these factors influence capital outflows and why did they weaken the influence of this outflow on the economic recession? Without explaining these points, without having received an answer to these questions, we cannot only believe that Ulyukaev, but even simply agree that he has at least some non-contradictory picture of the Russian economy.

Ulyukayev himself speaks on these topics extremely vaguely, but does not answer real questions at all. In particular, he said that even if this unstable situation is a “one-off wave”, the outflow could amount to $ 100 billion this year. In this case, GDP growth will be 0,6%. “From the point of view of investors, this is a pause. People are not ready to make investment decisions, because they assess risks as unacceptable and do not agree to such an incomprehensible situation. This affects foreign investors, it affects domestic investors, hence a large capital outflow. ” From my point of view, this is not even an excuse, it is just pure demagoguery.

Not able Ulyukaev also explain the situation with inflation. He noted that in the middle of 2014, inflation could make 7% year-on-year, but then decrease. “Our inflation is increasing. We believe that by the middle of the year it will be 7% y / y. Then she will go on a downtrend. It is very likely that it will still (by the end of the year) be slightly larger than 5%. ” Here, too, the following questions arise: why doesn’t inflation increase with his devaluation? Why do prices in stores grow, if there is no consumer inflation (and Ulyukaev means consumer inflation under the word “inflation”), why does he refuse to talk about price increases in certain sectors of the economy? Such silence is understandable if Ulyukayev lies in his predictions, but if he really has at least some more or less adequate model behind his back, in the current situation, when everyone remembers his unfulfilled predictions on capital inflows, he would simply have to tell about this model ... But, as they say in the famous cartoon, "the hamster is silent."

Actually, I have a position, why it is silent. And it is very simple. The model of economic development that was proposed to the country by E. Gaidar on the basis of the notorious “Washington Consensus” was very simple: development should take place on the basis of foreign investment, without government participation. But foreign investments are made in foreign currency, which means that they should be given in foreign currency. Which automatically limits their volume. If you simplify the situation to idiocy and assume that any investor is satisfied with 10% annual income on invested capital, then the total investment can not exceed ten times that part of the currency available in the country that can be used to return these investments. If there are 100 billion, then the investment can not be more than a trillion, if 300 billion, then, respectively, three trillion, and so on.

Of course, the picture is much more complex and colorful, but this primitive model describes the essence of the situation. So, if you look at the big picture, it looks like this. So far, in the 2000s, amid growing oil revenues, foreign exchange earnings grew — foreign investments also grew, and the Gaidar model worked. But then the problems started ... Oil prices stopped growing - and the amount of foreign exchange earnings also stabilized, even fell a little. Moreover, the part that could be sent for the return of foreign investment began to decline.

The fact is that not all currency earnings go to return on investment. The part goes to interest payments on previously made foreign currency loans. And they grew rapidly, because the liberal Central Bank, according to the same recipes of Gaidar (remember: in order for investments to flow into the country, low inflation is needed, and for this it is necessary to reduce the amount of money in the economy! And in no case should there be more rubles than the amount , corresponding to the reserves of the Central Bank in foreign currency!) did not refinance the economy with rubles, and she, of course, refinanced in foreign currency. Today, our corporate debts already have more gold and foreign exchange reserves of the Central Bank, and all the increasing interest is paid on them. In currency, of course.

Another part of foreign exchange costs goes to the purchase of imports. The manufacturer always carefully looks where it is more profitable to produce, and if it is better to do it outside of Russia, and then import finished products, he will not invest in Russia. After the spring of 2012, it became clear that we are joining the WTO, the balance here has dramatically shifted towards import purchases, respectively, the share of currency that we can send to return on investment has decreased.

Most likely, around the end of 2012, our economy came to a situation where new foreign investment was unprofitable. The investor simply has nowhere to take profits to return the invested funds. Accordingly, the outflow of capital and the economic downturn began, which gradually progresses since the fourth quarter of the 2012 year. And if you look at the picture of the economy from this point of view, then there are no contradictions, on the contrary, everything becomes simple and clear.

The trouble is that Ulyukaev, who was also an assistant to Gaidar when he was an official, and his deputy for the institute, cannot admit that the whole Gaidar model no longer works. Since, most likely, he is still not quite a moron, which means that he sees the real picture, he has to lie all the time about the real state of affairs. But at the same time, he is constantly confused in details and contradicts himself - which causes the strange picture that we see in his speeches. And the longer he has the opportunity to do this - the longer our economy will fall.
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  1. Colorman
    Colorman April 3 2014 15: 10
    +8
    These forecasts are not worth a damn.
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 April 3 2014 15: 22
      -2
      He got both Khazin and Ulyukaev .... Has Khazin not worked in the government under Yeltsin?
      1. FromTheNewWorld
        FromTheNewWorld April 3 2014 15: 53
        +23
        Have worked. But he was flooded when he began to give predictions about the impending default. Hazin flooded, the default happened.
        1. andrewvlg
          andrewvlg April 3 2014 19: 11
          +1
          Quote: FromTheNewWorld
          Have worked. But he was flooded when he began to give predictions about the impending default. Hazin flooded, the default happened.

          You misunderstood. The government knew about the impending default. And Khazin almost blabbed. Therefore, they flooded wink
      2. Andrey57
        Andrey57 April 3 2014 16: 51
        +15
        He got both Khazin and Ulyukaev .... Has Khazin not worked in the government under Yeltsin?

        Khazin was just kicked out of the government because he began to talk about the viciousness of the proposed "development model" ala Gaidar. But the goal of something to develop in the country was not at all, there was only one whole - destruction and plunder, Chubais does not hide this, he directly says that the goal of privatization was the total destruction of the socialist order in the economy, so that even chances for recovery was not.
        Therefore, all these Gaidar’s gov.nyuki and sod.ki, Ulyukaevs and Nabiullins continue the task of destroying the country and will do so as long as possible.
    2. vo.dum
      vo.dum April 3 2014 15: 26
      +19
      Forecasts, forecasts ... but I have a question .... when will all these liberalists be removed from the feeder? ... vague doubts creep in .... Gaidar, Chubais ... now Ulyukaev .... Medvedev .... maybe the main thing is the same ... liberalist ???
      1. skifd
        skifd April 3 2014 16: 03
        +5
        Quote: vo.dum
        Medvedev ....


        Think about this "personality".
      2. Letun
        Letun April 3 2014 16: 36
        +11
        Quote: vo.dum
        vague doubts creep in .... Gaidar, Chubais ... now Ulyukaev .... Medvedev .... maybe the main thing is ... liberalist ???

        Yes, I, too, have been asking myself the question for a very long time: why does the Boss endure Chubais all the time of his reign? He knows that the people hate him, sees that the redhead is breaking up absolutely everything that he is allowed to lead. And still suffers ... Why?
      3. Ivan Petrovich
        Ivan Petrovich April 3 2014 18: 06
        +2
        and you, my friend, are carbonary ...
  2. konvalval
    konvalval April 3 2014 15: 16
    +9
    That's what you want, but I just can’t understand the personnel policy of GDP. Why are there Gaidar tribesmen in the government? In vain, the GDP, as he himself said, entrusted the formation of the government to MDA.K. and did not intervene in this process.
    1. Vladimir.z.
      Vladimir.z. April 3 2014 16: 35
      +3
      Quote: konvalval
      That's what you want, but I just can’t understand the personnel policy of GDP. Why in the government .....


      Personally, such a "personnel policy" reminds me of a children's "Yeralash" ... the head teacher looking into the 1st grade during the lesson saw a high school student, she asks him what he is doing in this class .... and he answers: "I am the smartest here ! "..... so is the personnel policy of the GDP, but when it squeezes that there is nowhere else, then Serdyukov begins to change to Shoigu ... hi
      1. anfil
        anfil April 3 2014 18: 46
        -1
        As they say: you won’t be sweet for all!
        So he first puts the bad, and then the good so that there is something to compare.
        And then you will put right good, and we will yell that everything is bad. Where then to get the best of the worst.
    2. Grbear
      Grbear April 3 2014 16: 41
      +2
      The fact is that by releasing the market gin and privatizing the industry, the oligarchs came to the practical management of the economy. They also participate in the formation of the government, and if the ministries related to the security of the country P are formed without asking names, then in the economic ministries it is not so simple. To remove the protégé of the oligarchs, it is necessary to "heap up" such that the mother does not grieve, or to deprive the oligarchs of power, i.e. to carry out deprivatization.
      Here we go. hi
      1. Orc-xnumx
        Orc-xnumx April 3 2014 16: 56
        -1
        But Putin pulled the oligarchs in time by the example of Khodorkovsky. So directly, as in Ukraine, they do not climb into power!
    3. Dante Alighieri
      Dante Alighieri April 3 2014 17: 33
      +3
      Because our government is purely nominal, with the exception of a couple of ministers. To be more precise, the government itself as a collegial ministerial body, of course, is still a real institutional subject of the executive branch, endowed with authority, which cannot be said about the persons of the leaders themselves. You know, this is similar to the situation with the English monarch, who reigns, but does not rule.

      Those people who are represented in the government today, again with the exception of a few ministers, the henchmen of the MOST personally, play the role of a doll on a teapot, but in reality the country is run by His own Imperial Majesty's Chancellery, now called the Presidential Administration. It is there that the people who determine the policy of this or that ministry are located. In addition, these things people have access to the body of the OWNER (in the sense that it is much easier for them to get an audience with the head of state than for another minister), well, and huge material resources by itself (examples Volodin, Shuvalov, Sechin - do not believe, look at their declaration, you will amazed at how openly their financial well-being is presented). And the head of this apparatus is the only one whom the guarantor of the constitution can trust as himself, however, I have no complaints about this particular person - indeed, any head can only wish for such a companion (without irony). In this system, the government plays the role of a lightning rod, on which all the failures are hung and, by the public resignation of which, the popular discontent will be diluted. Of course, this does not mean at all that gentlemen ministers have no power at all, but the point is that their resonant initiatives and loud resignations are nothing more than a classic example of a "lame duck" - a purely political science technique that proves their supposed independence and the ability to use strong-willed / fateful decisions to obey.

      In general, such a separation of real power and its nominal carriers is another fact that our power is not public, but still remains the subject of behind-the-scenes intrigues and agreements (the place for which, of course, there is always a question only in proportion).
      1. Ivan Petrovich
        Ivan Petrovich April 3 2014 18: 11
        +1
        and pedrosna anyway! they blindly believe ...
    4. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich April 3 2014 18: 08
      0
      one gang, that's the whole story
  3. Monk
    Monk April 3 2014 15: 17
    +2
    science fiction - it is necessary for him to earn money somehow, so he fantasizes.
  4. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 3 2014 15: 19
    +2
    The liberal weather vane of the liberal government of Medvedev. It is with such actions that they damage our economy. Is there really no one to replace such nostradamuses of our economy, because we have a lot of prominent economists of a non-liberal sense, I will not voice names so that they would not be considered their advertising.
    1. SHOCK.
      SHOCK. April 3 2014 17: 11
      -1
      Is there really no one to replace

      Yes, to replace that is who, the same Glazyev, for example, but it turns out so "a big giraffe, he knows better."
  5. johnsnz
    johnsnz April 3 2014 15: 21
    +10
    As the head of the Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina said: "Our miscalculations for this year were correct."
  6. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 April 3 2014 15: 22
    +20
    It is necessary to disperse the gaydarchat and move on to a planned economy. Invest in industry and agriculture in rubles, gradually move away from the dollar.
  7. Voenruk
    Voenruk April 3 2014 15: 23
    +8
    We must work, not fantasize! Attract capital to the country! Make a profitable economic zone in the Far East. 20 years without taxes! + low interest on a mortgage, you can even installment plan. It is necessary to help the population, and not to drive into slaves.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 April 3 2014 16: 58
      +3
      Why the heck are we to attract capital to the country? You will have to give it back. Don't you understand. Everything is very simple. After all, no one just gives money. We got corporate loans, and now they are being given. That's all. And all the capital flight. Try to recruit consumer loans. Your family will have a fucking import of capital. And in a few months, it will begin "export" to banks and on a much larger scale.
      The economy needs to be financed through emission, and not through the import of capital. And we cannot do the emission. The Fed does it for us. We are only converting dollars to rubles at the "current" rate.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 3 2014 17: 45
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        Why the hell do we need to attract capital to the country? It is necessary to GIVE IT. As you do not understand. Everything is very simple.

        This is true, foreign business owners will still transfer profits to themselves (i.e., mainly to the West), interest on a loan issued by a foreign bank and the main debt will also go there.
        But even here there is a silver lining: what the hell are the sanctions ?! And how will corporate debts be repaid !? recourse
        But with loans it is necessary to be very strict, it is necessary to form a source of financing under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation. Let them be the daughters of foreign banks, but on the territory and according to the laws of Russia. It is very difficult, but "we must strive for it" yes and not stupidly borrow money for toilet paper, Pepsi and other consumer goods in the West.
        1. Sour
          Sour April 3 2014 17: 56
          +1
          Quote: Alekseev
          This is true, foreign business owners will still transfer profits to themselves (i.e., mainly to the West)

          So the Russian owners will transfer the profit to themselves (i.e. mainly to the west) !!!!!
          But jobs, taxes, demand for raw materials, electricity, production of related products - is this not necessary ???
          Are you all crazy? Which (cut) refuses foreign investment ??? Even Fidel and Kim are fighting for them. Even Lenin greeted them. Only pseudo-patriots are ready to abandon them. It's a disease? Or something different?
          1. andrewvlg
            andrewvlg April 3 2014 19: 25
            +1
            Quote: Sour
            It's a disease? Or something different?

            This is the effect of reading "junk" literature written by "unrecognized geniuses of economics" instead of textbooks. Unfortunately, my current rating does not allow me to criticize or go into negative territory. recourse I remembered Kuprin’s thought: when jokes are told in the company, only the most vulgar gets universal approval ...
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 April 4 2014 15: 00
              0
              Well, well, the guru of your non-trash literature, like Gaidar, directly arranged milk rivers and jelly banks in Russia. Why are you so worried about the rating? This is not real epaulettes, but a toy.
          2. Alekseev
            Alekseev April 3 2014 20: 09
            0
            Quote: Sour
            Which (cut) refuses foreign investment ??? Even Fidel and Kim are fighting for them. Even Lenin greeted them.

            Ulyanov-Lenin welcomed not to go to extremes. yes And his friend, Felix greeted his cold head.
            And foreign investment is also welcomed, but mainly only direct.
            Exchange speculation didn't welcomeThe purchase of a controlling stake in strategic enterprises is not only the leader of the world proletariat, but no one welcomes ... Yes, like that. request
            Everywhere we need a measure, including investment.
            We all (mainly in the family are not without a freak) perfectly understand in everyday life that you can’t borrow too much.
            So it is at the state level.
            And one does not need to compare the investments of a British company, for example, in a union USA, inside the Western world, where profits from them will settle, and the investments of the same company in the Russian Federation.
          3. alicante11
            alicante11 April 4 2014 14: 59
            +1
            So the Russian owners will transfer the profit to themselves (i.e. mainly to the west) !!!!!


            Do you consider them idiots? You see how the booze went. Cum them there. THEN in Cyprus, then sanctions.

            But jobs, taxes, demand for raw materials, electricity, production of related products - is this not necessary ???


            NECESSARY !!!! But it is necessary - your own. Your money, your investment.

            Are you all crazy? Which (cut) refuses foreign investment ???


            Any normal leader who has the opportunity to organize his own investments will invest himself, and not get into debt.

            Even Fidel and Kim are fighting for them. Even Lenin greeted them. Only pseudo-patriots are ready to abandon them. It's a disease? Or something different?


            It's interesting how Kim and Fidel fight for them. And about Lenin, he knew that these "investors" would be thrown. It's trite. Therefore, it was possible to hang any noodles on the ears of the NEPmans.
      2. Sour
        Sour April 3 2014 17: 50
        +2
        Quote: alicante11
        Why the hell do we need to attract capital to the country? It is necessary to GIVE IT. As you do not understand. Everything is very simple. After all, no one just gives money. Collected corporate loans, and now they are giving back. That's all.

        Oh my god, what a wild nonsense! Urgently psychiatrist.
        Do not understand the difference between loans and investments can only be a person with zero education.
        "Why the heck are we to attract capital to the country?" Ndaaaa .... full clinic. The same China survives only at the expense of foreign investments. The share of foreign capital in its economy is 55%, and in some industries it is 100%. The whole world is fighting for foreign investments (even Cuba recently passed the law), only strange people do not need them.
        1. Kurkin
          Kurkin April 3 2014 18: 12
          0
          We have an inexhaustible source of investment for our resources. If you nationalize them, nationalize production tools of category A, the Central Bank and the entire banking system, then you can safely develop all areas of the economy through the sale of resources and no foreign investment is needed!
          1. Sour
            Sour April 3 2014 18: 23
            +3
            Quote: Kurkin
            CB

            Are you even ready to nationalize the Central Bank?
            Do you know that he is already state property? How to nationalize it?
            Article 2 of the Law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation: "The authorized capital and other property of the Bank of Russia are federal property."
            The entire leadership of the Central Bank is appointed by the Russian authorities (Article 12 of the Law).
            Of course, the Central Bank kept private assets, but they were also stored in the Sberbank of the USSR. Any bank without private deposits is unthinkable.
            Do you even think that you are writing, gentlemen. And then you have a desire to rebuild Russia combined with complete illiteracy. God forbid, if people with such a level of literacy will steer Russia. Then for sure kirdyk country.
            1. Kurkin
              Kurkin April 3 2014 18: 28
              0
              And then why is it not central but central? Speaking of nationalization, I say that it must be returned to the control of the Ministry of Finance so that it does not pursue an independent policy and that the state can issue the ruble. Now it can’t, or will you argue with that?
              1. Sour
                Sour April 3 2014 18: 41
                0
                Quote: Kurkin
                And then why is it not central but central?

                Is the name important to you?
                Quote: Kurkin
                it must be returned to the control of the Ministry of Finance

                What the hell is a financial regulator if it is dependent on the government? You turn your head on.
                Quote: Kurkin
                so that the state can issue the ruble. Now it can’t, or will you argue with that?

                I won’t even argue, because I don’t see the point. The Central Bank issues money into circulation, and Goznak is engaged in the issue. The volume of money emission is determined by the Ministry of Finance. You do not know basic things. Or pretend to be.
                The same garbage in the States. There, the Ministry of Finance determines the volume of the issue, the Federal Bureau of Engraving and Printing (the analogue of our Goznak) prints the bucks, and the Fed through its credit lines puts it into circulation.
                Only an illiterate boob thinks that the Central Bank or the Fed are printing money.
                The financial regulator can change the discount rate, carry out foreign exchange intervention, buy or sell some financial assets, but the financial regulator does not issue money. At least the Central Bank, at least the Fed. By the way, the Fed is a government agency, as is the Central Bank. Anyone who considers the Fed to be a private shop and almost a world government is an illiterate nerd.
                1. Kurkin
                  Kurkin April 3 2014 19: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Sour
                  Anyone who considers the Fed to be a private shop and almost a world government is an illiterate nerd.
                  Tell it in person to the professor of MGIMO, doctor of economic sciences Katasonov V.Yu. and also Misha Leontiev from the first channel, G.A. Zyuganov and Zhirinovsky. To IT Khazin, the author of the article. You are the smartest here as I look. If the Fed is a government agency, then explain why they do not consider it necessary to report to the congressional commission where 16 trillion disappeared. dollars in the period from 2007 or 2008 (I do not remember exactly) to 2011.? Maybe because they wanted to lay on the state since they are not part of it and are not accountable to it?
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 April 4 2014 15: 24
                +1
                And then why is it not central but central?


                Because it allows the emancipation of gold and foreign currency reserves from arrest in the event of lawsuits in the Russian Federation in magistrates' courts. If you remember, there were attempts to arrest our aircraft at foreign exhibitions, the Sedov sailing ship. Given that gold and foreign currency reserves are partially stored in foreign securities, they may well be arrested in lawsuits against the Russian Federation if the Central Bank is state-owned. And so he is not responsible for the obligations of the Russian Federation.

                However, this is again liberal nonsense. Because the Americans have imposed sanctions against the Bank of Russia. Who is stopping them from imposing sanctions against the Central Bank of the Russian Federation? At the same time, without introducing sanctions against the state itself? And free to arrest all Russian gold reserves. So it is high time to discard these liberoid remnants and return the Central Bank to the status of "state". As well as withdraw all gold reserves to Russia and untie the ruble from the dollar.
                1. Kurkin
                  Kurkin April 4 2014 16: 33
                  0
                  So I’m talking about this. And also to make the entire banking system state, as in the USSR. Leave domestic 4-5 state banks with an extensive network of branches, the benefit is that this network has already been created by private banks. Limit cash circulation, only salaries, pensions, social benefits. allowance and similar payments to ensure the normal functioning of the retail trade of goods first necessity and strict control of cashing, respectively. All other payments by bank transfer.
            2. andrewvlg
              andrewvlg April 3 2014 19: 31
              +1
              Quote: Sour
              Do you know that he is already state property? How to nationalize it?

              Shh! That's for the disclosure of such secrets of Khazin from the government and trampled something ...
            3. alicante11
              alicante11 April 4 2014 15: 19
              +1
              Are you even ready to nationalize the Central Bank?
              Do you know that he is already state property? How to nationalize it?


              So, the economic Guru is not up to date.
              The authorized capital makes it possible to participate in the profit sharing, in management. But at the same time it does not give ownership rights to assets such as, for example, gold reserves.

              The entire leadership of the Central Bank is appointed by the Russian authorities (Article 12 of the Law).


              That's for sure. You can’t argue with that. It just just says that your liberal Kodla is still in power, which devalues ​​all foreign policy successes.

              Of course, the Central Bank kept private assets, but they were also stored in the Sberbank of the USSR. Any bank without private deposits is unthinkable.


              Oops, the Guru again got a finger in ...
              Sberbank in the USSR was never the central bank - i.e. issuing bank of currency. Sberbank was created specifically for organizing work with household deposits. And the functions performed by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation were performed by the USSR State Bank, which provided for the issue of currency and conducted non-cash payments. You would be a wretched economist, even if you read about the banking system of the USSR in Wiki, not to mention something serious.
        2. anfil
          anfil April 3 2014 18: 56
          +1
          What is capital outflow?
          The outflow of capital is not only the purchase of real estate abroad or the transfer of money to an account with a foreign bank, as many ordinary people think ...

          Calculations of capital outflows and inflows are calculated on a net basis. That is, the total inflow is calculated, the total outflow is calculated and the difference is the balance, which can be positive or negative. The main articles of this accounting aggregate are: cross-border investments, loans between banks in Russia and abroad, changes in funds in citizens' accounts in banks (here accounts of Russian citizens abroad and accounts of foreign non-residents in Russia are taken into account), also are taken into account in the accounting aggregate balances of cash foreign currency in the hands of citizens and in banks. That is, even if the bank bought more currencies than it sold to the public, then this is already an outflow of capital in accounting.

          There are many more cases, for example, a Russian company exports something abroad, and the export earnings did not return to the country, and the donkey was in an account with a foreign bank. Moreover, he don’t settle there because the exporter is going to put them in his pocket, but simply because it is more convenient for him to settle accounts with counterparties through a foreign bank. All incoming currency to Russia from exports, as a rule, goes to investments abroad or to the growth of gold reserves (gold and foreign exchange reserves). It should be noted that Russia now occupies 3-its place in the world in terms of the size of gold reserves.
          Also, for example, if a Russian company leases something, and it can be dozens of Boeings, a production line, high-tech equipment, then this is also taken into account in the Central Bank accounts as capital outflows.
          In a liberal economy, the export of capital from a country for the most part speaks of a working and investing business - this is what is happening around the world.
          1. Sour
            Sour April 3 2014 19: 13
            +1
            In the same way, corporate debt cannot be assessed unambiguously unless you know its structure.
            Some people think corporate debt is purely unpaid corporate loans.
            Nothing like this. Corporate debts are both investments and prepayments for products not yet delivered. In fact, the sum of these debts indicates the country's foreign trade.
            If anything, China has the highest corporate debt, 18 trillion. In Russia, it is the lowest in the GXNUMX, a little over half a trillion.
            In short, corporate debt cannot be judged on the state of the economy. This is not an indicator.
            And further. Touched by the proposal to subordinate the Central Bank to the government. Of course, the government would be delighted. Better yet, if the Duma and the President were subordinated to the government. That would be really cool. Do people even understand what they are writing about?
            1. Kurkin
              Kurkin April 3 2014 19: 44
              +1
              People understand. It's just that people write about a planned economy (Stalinist, socialist, as you prefer), and you talk about classical liberal capitalist. You are a supporter of the liberal economy, I do not. That's all.
              1. Demon0n
                Demon0n April 4 2014 07: 05
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                You are not talking about a planned economy, but about a new iron curtain, only this time - an absolute one.
                Those. all resources that are not in the Russian Federation (there are such resources !!!), under no circumstances will not get into the Russian Federation. Any relationship with the outside world will be terminated. Otherwise, it is necessary to conduct trade with the outside world and for this there is only one tool and a sea of ​​consequences associated with the use of this tool.
                Explore terms and concepts. "Socialism", "capitalism", "market", types of economics, etc ...
                1. Kurkin
                  Kurkin April 4 2014 09: 06
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                  What iron curtain? RF, what is not included in the BRICS? BRICS countries will not trade with us? What resources are not in the bowels of the Russian Federation? Maybe you mean technologies and products that we cannot produce yet? You yourself decide what you are talking about.
                  1. Demon0n
                    Demon0n April 4 2014 17: 50
                    0
                    Quote: Kurkin
                    What iron curtain? RF, what is not included in the BRICS? BRICS countries will not trade with us? What resources are not in the bowels of the Russian Federation? Maybe you mean technologies and products that we cannot produce yet? You yourself decide what you are talking about.


                    If you abandon the instrument of international trade (currency and banking system), then yes - any economic relations will cease by themselves (only barter will be possible under a number of conditions), because it will be completely incomprehensible how to determine the ratio of currencies and goods. The USSR has already been in such conditions (and the gold standard in these conditions is not an option, or a way to part with gold), and, besides its will, only the starting conditions were a little different (not in Russia's favor ...).
                    BRICS countries use the international monetary and banking system. Barter is possible, under certain conditions (and far from the fact that the conditions will be favorable), because The Russian currency will not be converted ...
                    If you do not like the prospect, you will have to come to terms with the existing global market system or try to change its individual components, which, in fact, the BRICS countries are trying to do (without destroying the instrument itself).
                    Now is not the middle of the 50s ... Look at the countries that fell under the economic blockade ... At the expense of resources ... Namely raw materials. Moreover, if some fossil is potentially available in the composition of the rocks (mining is not considered due to costs and / or low percentage), then with non-fossil resources (less critical for technological development) - they are simply absent.
                    1. Kurkin
                      Kurkin April 6 2014 10: 21
                      0
                      If you abandon the instrument of international trade (currency and banking system), then yes - any economic relations will cease by themselves (only barter will be possible under a number of conditions), because it will be completely incomprehensible how to determine the ratio of currencies and goods.
                      Where did I say that we should refuse it? I am just saying that we need to reform our system. Our ruble is provided by gold reserves, our gold reserves are dollars and treasuries, that is, if the dollar collapses, then the ruble collapses.
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        3. Alekseev
          Alekseev April 4 2014 12: 24
          0
          Quote: Sour
          China itself survives only through foreign investment.

          Again-investing investing discord.
          If it were only the availability of finance, then modern China, which has over 3,2 trillion. dollars of reserves and for hell would not need any foreign capital. yes
        4. alicante11
          alicante11 April 4 2014 15: 10
          +1
          Oh my god, what a wild nonsense! Urgently psychiatrist.


          Already here, and I can even make a diagnosis. Rudeness and complete mediocrity.

          Do not understand the difference between loans and investments can only be a person with zero education.


          Yes, the difference is not big. Investments in production will still return to the investor from the profit. Isn't this "return on credit"? And who will make this "profit"? Are we not consumers? As you already libersty "economists" got it with their bird language. If only to powder the heads of people and rob them without problems.

          China itself survives only through foreign investment.


          But do not whistle. Rose - yes, on foreign investment. But it was an investment in the construction of enterprises, and not in their purchase. And the Chinese set conditions. That after a certain time the company goes into state ownership. Do you feel the difference? Liberast?

          The whole world is fighting for foreign investment (even Cuba recently adopted a law), only strange people do not need them.


          The whole world lives by capitalism, although socialism is more progressive, more just. And if tomorrow everyone goes drowning, will we also need to?
      3. Wheel
        Wheel April 3 2014 18: 15
        0
        Golden words!
        But only few ordinary mortals understand this ...
        Russia in the financial sector remains a Fed colony, as it is not regrettable.
      4. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 April 4 2014 08: 32
        0
        YES THAT YOU ARE EXPENSIVE YOU LOAN HAVE TAKEN FOR A SPECIFIC TIME AND HERE IS NOT HERE, AT ANY TIME AS I LOOK FOR SO AND I WILL LEAVE BUT INTEREST AND FOR WHAT I PAYED PAYMENTS, SIMPLY AND GOOD,
  8. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin April 3 2014 15: 24
    0
    The confrontation of these two gentlemen ... urgently !!!
  9. sazhka4
    sazhka4 April 3 2014 15: 32
    +4
    To justify bad things in the economy, some kind of "war" is needed. Otherwise, the people will not understand. Everything has been destroyed and they are waiting for profit. Ford in the Leningrad region fires 700 people due to lack of sales. Well, there is nothing for the people to buy.
    1. Sour
      Sour April 3 2014 18: 29
      0
      Quote: sazhka4
      Well, there’s nothing for the people to buy.

      And did it never occur to you that the demand for cars is cyclical? After all, this is not bread and not sausage.
      Or do you propose a law requiring everyone to buy cars annually?
      The automotive market is periodically saturated, as is the market for televisions, refrigerators, and computers. Do you change computers every year? If not, then computer manufacturers (mostly Chinese) are not happy with you. Urgently run to the store for a new computer, otherwise the economy will collapse.))
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 April 4 2014 15: 44
        +1
        It's just about the quality of the "investment" that is made without a clear marketing rationale. Here is the result.
  10. alex47russ
    alex47russ April 3 2014 15: 33
    +3
    Muddy the water! To steal more!
  11. VladimS
    VladimS April 3 2014 15: 34
    +6
    Quote: vo.dum
    Forecasts, forecasts ... but I have a question .... when will all these liberalists be removed from the feeder? ... vague doubts creep in .... Gaidar, Chubais ... now Ulyukaev .... Medvedev .... maybe the main thing is the same ... liberalist ???

    It is believed that there are two groups fighting .. Serious bickering.
    And Ulyukaev from the one organized by the liberals.
    Unfortunately, Medvedev belongs to her.
    With him we have, and many note this, the so-called time for missed opportunities.
    Glad to be mistaken.
    1. Bully
      Bully April 3 2014 15: 50
      +3
      Quote: VladimS
      Unfortunately, Medvedev belongs to her.


      Why does Putin need such Medvedev as chairman of the government - that’s the question? If you discard the ideology, apparently satisfied as a professional. Again, there is less stink from the West, Medvedev is a liberal! In general, this circus
      should have some kind of logical explanation)))
      1. SHOCK.
        SHOCK. April 3 2014 17: 25
        +2
        If you discard the ideology, apparently satisfied as a professional. Again, there is less stink from the West, Medvedev is a liberal!

        Yes, here's something that doesn’t smell like professionalism, but it just pulls the stench from the west, despite the fact that Medvedev has not gone anywhere.
        During his presidency, he made gifts to the West at every opportunity. Do you want, gentlemen, to change the regime in Libya? You are welcome. (In 2011, when the UN Security Council adopted a resolution on Libya, Russia abstained in the vote, - SP ”). Want tighter sanctions on Iran? No problem. (In June 2010, at the negotiations between Barack Obama and Dmitry Medvedev, the parties agreed to strengthen sanctions against the DPRK and Iran, “JV”). Want a new START? Receive without delay. In this series of Medvedev's concessions, the division of the so-called “gray zone” in the Barents Sea was one of the most significant. Soviet diplomats were not stupid if for decades they did not agree to this step.

        The final decision was made under pressure from Medvedev personally. On the eve of his visit to Norway, he asked to see what inconsistent problems are in the coffin of Russian-Norwegian relations. And - a suitable problem was found. Instead of dividing the Barents Sea gradually - gaining something in the northern zone, losing something in the southern one - Medvedev cut the Gordian knot in one fell swoop. As a result, Russia has lost everything.

        http://www.zrd.spb.ru/news/2013-01/news-0225.htm
  12. SVD
    SVD April 3 2014 15: 39
    +1
    I don’t really understand the economy, but in my humble opinion, the development of industry should be managed by a good business executive who understands how to develop his industry, and economists think by the category of pieces of paper - that’s hoping for investment, investing in different pieces of paper, which at once can turn into just a piece of paper.
  13. Ragoz
    Ragoz April 3 2014 15: 40
    +5
    Ulyukaev is a Gadar-Yeltsin henchman. I am surprised at the patience of GDP am
  14. SLOVO
    SLOVO April 3 2014 15: 42
    +2
    An article for bureaucratic extremism has already been introduced into the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. And now there will be a criminal case and prison for such things.
  15. Good cat
    Good cat April 3 2014 15: 43
    +3
    What kind of uncle is funny, but what is he really doing? Who will tell?
    1. Curculum
      Curculum April 3 2014 15: 50
      +2
      Quote: Good cat
      What kind of uncle is funny, but what is he really doing?

      A rhetorical question.
    2. Bully
      Bully April 3 2014 16: 23
      +3
      Quote: Good cat
      Funny what uncle


      He’s not funny, he’s cunning ... because he’s a typical French man!
  16. Vityok
    Vityok April 3 2014 15: 53
    +2
    Khazin and Ulyukaev of one field of a berry, and at the word Gaidar it makes you sick.
  17. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 3 2014 15: 56
    +3
    I'm wondering if no one really looks at the so-called "foreign exchange interventions" carried out by the Bank of Russia. What it is? And this is what the Bank of Russia ensures by its actions the export of capital abroad. The scheme is simple: the so-called investors, having earned rubles on the Russian market, must convert them into currency, so that they can then be exported abroad. Where to get the currency, if the rubles are not converted anywhere except in Russia, correctly on the Russian Stock Exchange and in banks. But our banks themselves keep their funds in foreign currency in foreign banks and cannot extract it from there, and they do not want to do this and operate with insignificant amounts in the market that cannot cover the needs of "investors". This is where the State Bank comes into the arena, which sells currency to "investors" on the stock exchange, thereby facilitating the export of capital from Russia. And look how many years this "pump" for pumping out currency from our country has been working without interruptions. Do you remember how a few months ago they decided to suspend the activity of this "pump" and the state bank stopped foreign exchange interventions and what then started on the market? Here's something.
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg April 3 2014 20: 07
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      I'm wondering if no one really looks at the so-called "currency interventions" carried out by the Bank of Russia. What it is? And this is what the Bank of Russia ensures by its actions the export of capital abroad.

      1. The Bank of Russia "provides" the exchange of rubles for dollars and vice versa.
      2. Anyone who buys dollars does not necessarily take them out: a recent example, at the beginning of this year, a huge number of citizens of this country bought dollars, because there were rumors about a fall in the ruble exchange rate. These dollars remained in the country "under the pillows."
      3. If you do not carry out "interventions", the ruble exchange rate will fall sharply, the population will become impoverished, hyperinflation may "happen" in the state (remember the "extra zeros"?). Then it is easier to legally restrict the "exchange" of currencies.
      4. If you restrict the "exchange", foreign investors will not be able to both withdraw capital and enter (and this makes no sense for them).
      5. If you limit the "exchange", the local Russian crooks, thieving officials, "bourgeois" and so on. the rich will still be able to withdraw their capital. Like O. Bender, of course, not everyone will dare to cross the border in ermines and in golden "branzulets", but there are perfectly "developed" criminal channels for this, just pay.
      6. Your conclusion that the state bank is
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      "pump" for pumping out currency from our country
      and, the thought imposed by you that the state bank is to blame for the capital outflow, it only "provides" input-output, but does not stimulate at all, as you want to imagine.
      PS. If you mind, it’s more convenient for the points.
  18. nahalenok911
    nahalenok911 April 3 2014 15: 56
    0
    So what?..
    Classic: WHO IS GUILTY? and what to do?
    What are these revelations for? I already understand - "something is wrong in the" Danish "state.
    Give a OUT of this "wrong" !!!
  19. postman
    postman April 3 2014 15: 57
    +2
    Why have to lie. Analysis of the fresh revelations of the Minister of Economy
    we must not lie, but work
    ===========================================
    Malaysia is an oil exporting country with a relatively small population (Russia with a large, relatively)
    The country's economic growth over the decade from 1988 to 1997 amounted to 10% (which was the most dynamic indicator in Asia), the standard of living grew 20 times.




    The 1997 crisis in Southeast Asia (the Thai government untied the baht from the US dollar), the Malaysian currency devalued: at first they gave 2,50 ringgits for the American dollar, and at some point the rate fell to a minimum of 4,80 ringgits per dollar. The Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange composite index fell by half.
    Mahathir unequivocally rejected the package of assistance measures proposed by the International Monetary Fund, saying that his country would overcome the crisis on its own, and quickly enough. Very soon, the IMF and the World Bank publicly recognized the correctness of the Malaysian prime minister.

    In response, the government of Prime Minister Mohathir Mohamad introduced control over the movement of capital. This measure limits the flow of foreign capital entering and leaving the country. It is believed that it allows you to hold on to speculation and volatility. Many economists and organizations, such as the IMF, opposed this step, arguing that control over the movement of capital limits the ability of foreign investors to manage their own funds and thus discourages investments.
    Unlike some of its neighbors, Malaysia refused to accept assistance from the IMF and, therefore, was not bound by the organization’s regulations prohibiting capital controls. The Malaysian economy quickly rebounded, recovering from the recession: in 1998, the country's GDP fell sharply, and in 1999 it resumed growth.

    Note after the crisis in Iceland in 2008 already The IMF has changed its position on the issue of control over the movement of capital (and gave money): Central Bank of Iceland took control of the movement of capital in order to temporarily stop the outflow of capital, which could lead to an excessive weakening of the crown.

    nothing?

    February 17, 2011 The Icelandic Parliament approved the bankruptcy payments of Icesave, but President Olafur Ragnar Grimsson did not sign an agreement with the UK and the Netherlands and granted the people the right to resolve this issue in a referendum. 57,7% of Icelanders voted against compensation
    ----------
    That's the way it should be, not to grind
  20. valersvet
    valersvet April 3 2014 15: 58
    +2
    QUESTION: and for what merits the Minister was appointed such a ... zdobol
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin April 3 2014 16: 09
      +4
      Quote: valersvet
      QUESTION: and for what merits the Minister was appointed such a ... zdobol

      This fiery Gaidar man led by the Central Bank was already tired of Putin, and in order not to raise a big butch, a famous castling was made and, as we can see, citizen Nabiullina Elvira Sahipzadovna took up the banking sector and began to mow all this liberokast. Comrade Ulyukaev will not stay long in this post !!!
  21. Name
    Name April 3 2014 16: 01
    0
    Again Gaidar, and then a crybaby Ulyukaev was formed, there is no faith in anyone. One thing is for sure, went to the store and identified the "outflow" of capital.
  22. Kurkin
    Kurkin April 3 2014 16: 14
    +1
    Drive all liberals from the government with a filthy broom. Put communists and socialists, nationalize the Central Bank and the entire banking system, to ensure control of ruble emissions and credit policy, declare a state monopoly on foreign currency and payments in foreign currency, withdraw gold reserves from treasuries, urgently introduce an NPS, nationalize the mineral resource base and category A production facilities , declare a state monopoly on foreign trade, prohibit the free circulation of currency on the domestic market, on the domestic market all payments in rubles, lower the refinancing rate, preferential ruble loans to agriculture and industry, small and medium-sized businesses, sell their products on the foreign market for gold ! Only in this way we will avoid a collapse in the ass. They lie to us that the sanctions are not scary, they are scary, given the fact that the entire financial system and economy keeps to cut green paper, and the owners of energy sector companies and category A production facilities are not residents of the Russian Federation and are registered in offshore! Where are they even looking ?! This is a complete ass! Rising prices will continue, as well as the depreciation of the ruble, if you do not take the urgent measures I have indicated above.
  23. Jarilo
    Jarilo April 3 2014 16: 17
    0
    Of course, everything has its time, but if they started to call a spade a spade, it would speed things up, otherwise we wander like darkness without reference points.
  24. Tartar
    Tartar April 3 2014 16: 42
    0
    Suggestions from many seem to be reasonable, but there is a but. All this can be done in a sovereign state, which Russia is not. Everyone somehow forgets that Russia (the Soviet Union) lost the Cold War. And what happens to the vanquished? That's right - the occupation is taking place, trophies are being taken out, reparations, indemnities are being imposed, the political regime necessary for the winner is being introduced with the goal of colonization. All this we observed in the 90s and this time we are slurping.
    Our president is actually not the king, or even the secretary general - he has very limited powers. Plus restrictions due to the political situation. So what kind of minister will the US Department of State approve of us - that's what we get.
    What to do with all this? Build a civil society and seek the sovereignty of the country so that Washington does not command us, but themselves decide all issues. Putin made a tongue about it, but people don’t hear, people prefer to drink beer.
    1. Jarilo
      Jarilo April 3 2014 17: 00
      0
      Yes, the USSR capitulated economically in the 90s, after which Russia was integrated into the economic system, the rules of the game in which we do not establish. And this system remains not friendly to us. Therefore, either this system needs to be reformatted, which is unlikely to succeed, or create an alternative of your own.
    2. Kurkin
      Kurkin April 3 2014 18: 04
      0
      The president has such powers as declaring a state of emergency or martial law, while he receives almost unlimited power. So you can take advantage and make the necessary amendments to the constitution and nationalize without the approval of parliament, direct presidential decrees, declaring martial law.
    3. Barrcode
      Barrcode April 3 2014 20: 58
      +1
      Quote: TarTar
      Suggestions from many seem to be reasonable, but there is a but. All this can be done in a sovereign state, which Russia is not. Everyone somehow forgets that Russia (the Soviet Union) lost the Cold War. And what happens to the vanquished? That's right - the occupation is taking place, trophies are being taken out, reparations, indemnities are being imposed, the political regime necessary for the winner is being introduced with the goal of colonization. All this we observed in the 90s and this time we are slurping.
      Our president is actually not the king, or even the secretary general - he has very limited powers. Plus restrictions due to the political situation. So what kind of minister will the US Department of State approve of us - that's what we get.
      What to do with all this? Build a civil society and seek the sovereignty of the country so that Washington does not command us, but themselves decide all issues. Putin made a tongue about it, but people don’t hear, people prefer to drink beer.

      In confirmation of your words: this is the adoption of the law on the national payment system discussed by the Duma 3 (!) Years ago, McFaul and the one who runs Russia. (The Central Bank in general is a muddy organization - created in the early 90s, and registered as a legal entity in 2003, has branches, but does not have the right to have them, has 17 licenses and all are MEDICAL! And one generally gives the Central Bank access to bacterial and infectious agents level 4 diseases, such as level 4 bubonic plague.)

      A little about the Central Bank:
  25. mamont5
    mamont5 April 3 2014 16: 50
    +2
    I understood from the article that it is necessary to tie up with the WTO, otherwise we will lose the last production.
  26. Grbear
    Grbear April 3 2014 17: 03
    +4
    We will be "sausage" as long as we play by their rules. And the most important of these rules is Money is a commodity (unlike the classics: money - goods - money and money - the equivalent of labor expended).
    Figuratively, accepting that money is the blood of the economy, it’s stupid to trade your own blood, much less pour someone else’s in yourself.

    And according to this:
    • In Russia, only rubles.
    • Banks only commission for the maintenance of the apparatus, and not any usury.
    • Taxes on production down, on trade up.

    I think that five years is enough. hi
    1. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 April 3 2014 18: 09
      +1
      CLASS !!
      "money is the blood of the economy, it is stupid to trade your own blood, all the more to pour someone else's blood into yourself"
      Especially when AIDS ...
  27. Lieutenant
    Lieutenant April 3 2014 17: 11
    +3
    One thing is not clear why almost the entire economic block of the government is entirely liberalists and a fifth column. They sit as though they were dead, do not shove.
  28. bubla5
    bubla5 April 3 2014 17: 15
    +1
    In Iceland, the export of capital was banned altogether, and the country went ahead of the bankrupt, and we had only pi --- bols, they shut up our mouths with Crimea, everything grew and set us against each other
  29. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch April 3 2014 17: 20
    +1
    Lieutenant You are a fine fellow, but they do not push them because they are around the so-called "fifth column" .Therefore, they lie trying to wow .. wrap them in a beautiful wrapper and show the people, hoping that no one will hear the smell.
    1. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 April 3 2014 18: 13
      0
      So the smell is "spitzfichsky"! Everyone feels it, only they do not allow to determine where the wind is blowing from. If the "wind rose" .. and here is the "wind hare".
  30. kosopooz77
    kosopooz77 April 3 2014 17: 26
    +3
    After a landmark speech by the GDP on reunification, Primakov said at the exit that, like, it's all fine, but we need to focus on the economy. It will be difficult to focus on the figures sitting in the government, I suppose. It’s somehow alarming ...
  31. homosum20
    homosum20 April 3 2014 17: 31
    +1
    Siberia has been crying for a long time from the Central Bank, including the Gref. They are very necessary there to boost the economy (at least 1.8-1.9%).
    1. Dante Alighieri
      Dante Alighieri April 3 2014 17: 45
      +2
      You are clearly overestimating draft the power of these people. My 10 hundred parts are unlikely to master, where is Siberia lol In general, we in Siberia do not need them; their unique ones are enough. So the only way for them is to raise penguins in the Antarctic fellow laughing
  32. Tartar
    Tartar April 3 2014 17: 38
    +2
    The people should give Putin a blank card for cleaning. Without support from below, he will not be able to clean out the elite.
    1. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 April 3 2014 18: 23
      0
      Lord! So EVERYTHING is already ready from below !! Or from what "bottom"?
  33. Stinger
    Stinger April 3 2014 17: 50
    +2
    If you liquidate the Ministry of Economic Development, no one will notice. And there will be no one to stir up the water. And forecasts can be made by the Hydrometeorological Center. The accuracy is the same. And the excuses are the same.
  34. dobrik10
    dobrik10 April 3 2014 18: 04
    -2
    The bill for treason must and must include not only direct transfers of strategic information and similar nuances, but also directed constructive action in order to weaken the domestic economic and financial potential.
    To some extent, Vladimir Putin anticipates this but not to the extent that we need to tighten the nuts in not a 0/5 turn, but in full so that they can turn back until they completely refuse.
    1. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 April 3 2014 18: 27
      -1
      "directional constructive action for the long-term weakening of domestic economic and financial potential"
      What's this? on the basis of "lower classes" - fools?
  35. Aland
    Aland April 3 2014 18: 20
    0
    Quote: TarTar
    The people should give Putin a blank card for cleaning. Without support from below, he will not be able to clean out the elite.

    in the current situation in the country this is most likely the only choice that will change something, but again you have to rely on one person so much time has passed and you have not learned how to live without a king
    1. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 April 3 2014 18: 40
      0
      Well, okay! Not learned - genes, you know. If you are an effective (in the correct sense of the word) department head (shift, shop, department, etc.), then you must listen (reveal) all existing opinions, and make the only decision - your own! And be responsible for it. And when kickbacks influence decision-making, it is already "democracy".
  36. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro April 3 2014 18: 29
    +1
    <<< The trouble is that Ulyukaev, who was also Gaidar's assistant ......., cannot admit that the entire Gaidar model no longer works. >>>
    The trouble is that this Apohmeltsin JUNIOR has been gone for a long time, and his model of the economy is still working and working until, obviously, the economy will NOT bend at all! At first, at the suggestion of overseas "specialists", they inflated mediocrity to the scale of an economic "guru", even created an institute named after him, and now we are suffering! It is very reminiscent of the story with the initiative mediocrity that surfaced in Soviet times, and became Academician T. Lysenko!
  37. Kulneff2009
    Kulneff2009 April 3 2014 19: 07
    0
    Rave!!! Overboard such !!!
  38. dik-fort
    dik-fort April 3 2014 19: 21
    +1
    Quote: Orc-78
    But Putin pulled the oligarchs in time by the example of Khodorkovsky. So directly, as in Ukraine, they do not climb into power!

    One climbs, Prokhorov Mikhail, according to Wikipedia, Prokhorov ranks 16th in the list of the richest Jews in the world compiled by the Israeli version of Forbes magazine. How did he make his billions? Together with Potanin, he came up with a scheme for loans-for-shares auctions, stealing Norilsk Nickel under this scheme, and later sold his share for billions of dollars. Then, having deceived the founder of the company, Polyus Gold acquired his shares for a pittance, by the way, with the help of the then-governor-friend Khloponin, so Prokhorov took over the strategic gold mining company Polyus Gold. In 2011, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin allowed Mikhail Prokhorov and Senator Kerimov to withdraw the assets of OJSC Polyus Gold to offshore Jersey (more than 95% of shares by exchanging for Polus Gold shares), while using a loophole in the legislation Prokhorov and K threw Russian minority shareholders, in fact robbing them (the capitalization of OJSC Polyus Gold collapsed more than threefold from 1900 rubles to 560 rubles). Then, in 2013, Prokhorov sells his stake for $ 4,5 billion and the money remains in the West. So everything is not so simple with the oligarchs and the authorities. I personally tried to fight for the rights of minority shareholders Polyus Gold, this is an impenetrable wall, the deputies from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and United Russia and other factions do not want to do anything, the Government of the Russian Federation is the same, more than a dozen answers are gathering dust, but you just need to eliminate the loophole in the law on ADR , do not want.
  39. jPilot
    jPilot April 3 2014 19: 23
    0
    Yes, it is necessary to tie up with Gaidarism, and in general, how much has already been written that this is an anti-state model of economic development, and indeed it was invented to plunder enterprises that were built by our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers. As a person who was APPOINTED the director of a large enterprise, after privatization he suddenly becomes its owner. And now we have a bunch of kings who not only consider themselves as such in the cities where there is "their property" so they also work abroad. And if nothing has been done about this, then the government should at least develop measures to really stimulate small business, and not to stifle it with taxes. And it still does not interfere with the restoration of the LTP institute, society must be pulled out of this swamp. There will be enough work for the "brothers" of alcoholics, and all sorts of liberals and human rights defenders howling about this should be sent to n.h.ren, not all, but many of the "fallen" people will still say thank you that they brought them back to life. And it will be useful for the economy.
  40. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 3 2014 19: 57
    +1
    Quote: shtanko.49
    It is necessary to disperse the gaydarchat and move on to a planned economy. Invest in industry and agriculture in rubles, gradually move away from the dollar


    It's time! Industry to the Union level, to return the state monopolies to the land, mineral resources, natural resources, nationalize all industrial enterprises of primary importance for Russia. The agriculture was so ruined that there was nowhere else to go, in the aftermath of the war, thousands of villages disappeared , no one began to work on the earth. Fields are overgrown with weeds and forests. Someone had to ruin agriculture in Russia, although Russia could feed half the world. It’s time, gentlemen, the government ministers take up the mind, stop huh .... th suffer yes your pockets you won’t take it with you to the next world. You will work for the good of Russia, you will remain in the people's memory, and if not, Russia will curse you.
  41. sv68
    sv68 April 3 2014 20: 09
    0
    we will be rid of the heritage of the Gaidar for many years to come. Even if you fantasize that tomorrow ministers will come thinking about the people in the field, a very large number of officials holding on to their teeth and ready to report that everything has grown well in the region, but at the same time not doing anything concrete and not wanting any change.
  42. voliador
    voliador April 3 2014 20: 49
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    What kind of economic growth, when enterprises do not work, investors run and debts above the roof?
  43. igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 April 4 2014 07: 56
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    Quote: COLORMAN
    These forecasts are not worth a damn.

    It’s even worth it, that the system that was built is simple as a scrap, What kind of investments can be talked about, no money here. Everything is clear, money makes money and no economy smells like hell. It’s needed when everything works fine, income is high and it’s always easy to leave. But the interest is urgent and quick, the matter is all in one Central Bank of Russia is tied to the MBF system, this is not the Gaidar invention but the American one, where the main motto is MONEY MAKING MONEY, but the economy sideways why it is needed is confused money holds up no it is impossible to search for money elsewhere ( economy), It was the Yankees at BNU that we were enveloped in such agreements where Amer banks are always the winners, It’s just that any activity of the bank is clearly regulated and, accordingly, American banks have to pay for it, as I understand it, the Yankees attract and guarantee favorable conditions for the investor, There is no investor in the understanding that we know about them, There is simple speculation with a good percentage and that's it, After all, the arrival and departure is paid by CENTRAL BANK, and whatever the tip-top, Americans are sitting there under the agreement that we signed, For any situation in the economy, the Americans will get their winnings, It is written in the agreements, But on every corner they prove to us with foam at our mouth WE'RE IN AN INTERBANK CASH-FREE ELECTRONIC TRADING SYSTEM, BUT WHAT WE PAY A VERY HIGH PRICE THESE ARE YOUR PROBLEMS, A FAVORABLE SPEAK OF AMERICANS,